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Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: MoveUp on April 05, 2017, 02:57:35 PM
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For those of you who think you have to be of average / tall height to have success with women and to do well in life, I urge you to look into Tyler Durden (Owen Cook) from the website / youtube channel RSD, short for "Real Social Dynamics." This guy has had a profound impact on my height neurosis in terms of dating and also on my perspectives of life and myself.
I have height insecurities like everyone here, but sometimes you need to have a sense of perspective in life and realize the destructive nature of viewing and obsessing over a flaw in isolation rather than also focusing energy on obtaining superpowers which are more easily obtainable. RSD Tyler for those of you who do not know, is probably the greatest pick up artist in the world. He is 5' 8", has aspergers, always had trouble reading social cues, is balding, and is not the best looking guy, but has mastered the art of coming across as playful and sxxual. He posts videos online which include motivational speeches and well as infield footage of him basically walking up to girls, hugging them, and seducing them in seconds with little words spoken.
I am bringing this up because, say you gain 2 inches in height and think since now you are in the normal range this will help you with women. It will give you a 5% boost if nothing else about you changes. Emulating certain things about Tyler and the other RSD guys will differentiate you from the pack, and the % boost is not even measurable. Instead of seeing a bunch of 6 footers and feeling inferior, you will know that you have superpowers which none of those guys have, and if a couple of those guys have them, good for them, there are tons of fish in the ocean. You can get 200 5' 11" guys with mediocre game and 5' 8" balding Tyler will outclass almost all of them, because instead of obsessing over his flaws, he spent time reading books and stories on Neuro Lingusitic Programming, motivation and success, life, and pickup. Now, we are probably conditioned to only focus on his height when I said "flaws", so read the list again please. Plus he seems sort of feminine and has a weird voice.
Let's all shoot to be taller, but in order to be happy let's minimize the importance of height and maximize the little ember in our core to a burning furnace of knowledge and power.
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He is 5 8, there are people here that are not even 5 5, what the hell they should do? Forget about the embarrasment, I dont think so.
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My friend, you have illustrated my point about flaw isolation. If Tyler was 5' 6" he would still be nearly as successful.
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My friend, you have illustrated my point about the flaw isolation. If Tyler was 5' 6" he would still be nearly as successful.
There are people shorter than that, like what do you expect below 5'3" guys to do? Height has a role in people's confidence.
Also I'm not really of fan of these types of pick up artist guys.
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There are people shorter than that, like what do you expect below 5'3" guys to do? Height has a role in people's confidence.
That Was muy question, what do you think a 160 cm should do?
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There are people shorter than that, like what do you expect below 5'3" guys to do? Height has a role in people's confidence.
You make the best of the situation. If the 5'3" guy studied RSD, he would be successful too and his confidence in his inner game would help offset the insecurity over the height. Plus, he could always get to 5'6". The grass is always greener on the other side, a 5' 11" guy may have social anxiety and envy the confidence of the shorter guy.
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That Was muy question, what do you think a 160 cm should do?
The 160CM guy should point his beam of mental energy towards the RSD stuff and if he wants, of course he can always add a 2-3 inches as well. I know we are in the conceptual right now, but start watching Tyler and he will turn into a virtual mentor.
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Totally crap.
People under 5.7 are doomed in dating and people less than 5.10 have to try harder and be much better in every other aspect (face, built body etc) compared to an average tall dude to have success with women.
I don't care about this guy (who is not short btw but almost average) and his tricks and I don't expect from internet to see what is going on.
I always see that tall guys have everything that has to do with dating much easier than average men and short men are in a very very difficult situation, even with short girls.
Thats the harsh truth and it won't change with what Tyler Durden or other crooks like him say in their videos.
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Totally crap.
People under 5.7 are doomed in dating and people less than 5.10 have to try harder and be much better in every other aspect (face, built body etc) compared to an average tall dude to have success with women.
I don't care about this guy (who is not short btw but almost average) and his tricks and I don't expect from internet to see what is going on.
I always see that tall guys have everything that has to do with dating much easier than average men and short men are in a very very difficult situation, even with short girls.
Thats the harsh truth and it won't change with what Tyler Durden or other crooks like him say in their videos.
Expand your mind man. Dating and attraction is not limited to physical appearance. It is a privilege to be able to learn the game so don't miss this opportunity. I am still a trainee and will report back in a few months.
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Expand your mind man. Dating and attraction is not limited to physical appearance. It is a privilege to be able to learn the game so don't miss this opportunity. I am still a trainee and will report back in a few months.
If your psysical appearance doesn't attract the woman you want then everything else won't help.
If your appearance is acceptable for her then yes, character matters.
But if you are ugly or short etc then character can't help you at least in 99% of cases.
Women are as superficial as men (maybe a little more) in terms of dating.
I wouldn't date an obese or ugly woman even if she were the most intelligent or kind person in the world because attraction has to do mostly with looks.
Thats why these "tricks" are not for serious people, because they are almost insignificant if your looks are bad.
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If your psysical appearance doesn't attract the woman you want then everything else won't help.
If your appearance is acceptable for her then yes, character matters.
But if you are ugly or short etc then character can't help you at least in 99% of cases.
Women are as superficial as men (maybe a little more) in terms of dating.
I wouldn't date an obese or ugly woman even if she were the most intelligent or kind person in the world because attraction has to do mostly with looks.
Thats why these "tricks" are not for serious people, because they are almost insignificant if your looks are bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R96MKufwM4
An hour and a half footage of a 5' 7" guy pulling only 7.5's to 10's
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I disagree with the notion that "guys below 5'7'' are doomed in dating", but still, pick-up skills are not the solution for all of people's problems here:
1. There are guys here that would kill to be 5'8''.
2. Not everyone has problems with women, and many want to do this to be more equal to their male peers, or because they didn't reach their dad's height (deep-rooted psychological reasons other than loneliness).
3. Not everyone wants to be a pick-up artist. I don't like the club scene a bit and don't care about picking up chicks for casual sex.
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Being below 5'7 isn't going to doom your dating life.
Enough with this bull please
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Being below 5'7 isn't going to doom your dating life.
Enough with this bullcrap please
Awwww *puts the gun down*
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For those of you who think you have to be of average / tall height to have success with women and to do well in life, I urge you to look into Tyler Durden (Owen Cook) from the website / youtube channel RSD, short for "Real Social Dynamics." This guy has had a profound impact on my height neurosis in terms of dating and also on my perspectives of life and myself.
This guy should be no one's role model. There is a fine line between being more confident and being an aggressive a*hole and this is the wrong approach in my opinion. I'd suggest you read more about RSD and some of the guys involved in this stuff. Julien Blanc for example, he's an alleged sxxual predator and literally banned from multiple countries. There's better stuff out there if you're looking to improve your confidence and do better with women without becoming a borderline date rapist.
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LL in my opinion is not about date, success etc... Human Beans want to fell normal and 5'3 5'4 5'5 5'6 is statiscally not normal. A 5'8 guy is statistically normal. In our society being not statiscally normal in something that is phisically visible like height, fat, proportions etc... can become a psychological issue from the first day people make jokes etc... A 5'8 rarely heard jokes in his life. Yes miserable 2 inches make a difference and that shows only how miserable human bens are.
Being truly statically "diferente" in turn lowers your self steam and can create problems in people's lifes ( from Just a feeling of unhappiness to something more serious). There is no way to understand it without going through it sorry.
People can improve self steam doing therapy, going to a psicologist, taking anti depression drugs etc... LL is just one of the surgeries that replaces psycological treatments. It's another option That's all.
Science, morality and religion are the main pillars of our society. Everytime we have a new scientific advance, it gets judged by the morality and religious standpoint. That has been like this for the last 5000 years ago. Imagine what people thought about the first first surgery to cure internal body deseases? What's the difference of spending your whole life doing therapy or have a LL surgery that is becoming more more secure and predictable?
LL is another option that's all. I define "option" when it's something secure, done by reputable doctors, tested, predictable etc...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R96MKufwM4
An hour and a half footage of a 5' 7" guy pulling only 7.5's to 10's
And why can't I say that this video (like almost any of this kind) isn't fake?
I don't care about these videos, I go out in clubs, bars etc at least 2-3 times per week and I trust my own eyes.
The men that have the most success in picking girls in the real world are 90% above average height with a good style (not anything extravagant) and some average to built body.
Not one of all these but all these traits!
So if you don't have these things then the situation is much more difficult for you and anyone can fix their style or improve their body but noone can change his height. That's why short men are doomed, because they can't do anything to rix it naturally and women don't want to be with men who are below average, in anything! And being beyond 5.7 is far from average and thats why I truly believe and saw from my experience that if you are below this threshold LL is your only weapon to have a normal life, at least with women.
And if you want things to get relatively easy from normal in dating, then you should have more than average height and as I said, a modern style and a fit body.
If you have all these and you are not retarded dating is much easier.
If you don't have something from these, especially height, things get from relatively hard to almost impossible.
End of discussion for me.
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have you tried wearing lifts with your new height to see if your theory of "doomed dating" is real? I mean now that you are 5'8, have you put 2 inches lifts to see if being 5'10 or almost 5'11 is having such a huge impact as you are implying?
From my anecdotal evidence, those you have it easier with women and dating in general are the good looking guys who are 5'6 and up.
Face matters
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I've actually hung out with him and Todd, Julien etc. they are the real deal. Sure they get rejected a lot as well but they have made the most out of their situation. This is several, 10+ Years of experience as well.
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I've actually hung out with him and Todd, Julien etc. they are the real deal. Sure they get rejected a lot as well but they have made the most out of their situation. This is several, 10+ Years of experience as well.
That's really cool man. Have you done an infield boot camp? I'm thinking of doing it but not sure if it's worth the $2,500.
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I've actually hung out with him and Todd, Julien etc. they are the real deal. Sure they get rejected a lot as well but they have made the most out of their situation. This is several, 10+ Years of experience as well.
Thing is, who doesn't get rejected a lot. Rejection is part of being a man and guys here need to understand this.
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Thing is, who doesn't get rejected a lot. Rejection is part of being a man and guys here need to understand this.
I agree. The only reason I wrote, they get rejected, is so people don't think this is a bunch of bull . These infield videos are highlight reels.
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That's really cool man. Have you done an infield boot camp? I'm thinking of doing it but not sure if it's worth the $2,500.
If price is an issue, I wouldn't recommend a boot camp. It's impossible to get your money's worth in a few days of training. I think the immersion training is more valuable. Start by going to a free tour and go from there. It's really eye opening and I think all controversy aside, they are amazingly skilled and bold individuals.
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have you tried wearing lifts with your new height to see if your theory of "doomed dating" is real? I mean now that you are 5'8, have you put 2 inches lifts to see if being 5'10 or almost 5'11 is having such a huge impact as you are implying?
From my anecdotal evidence, those you have it easier with women and dating in general are the good looking guys who are 5'6 and up.
Face matters
Yes. When I go out at night my shoes with heels are a good 2 inches.
The difference in how my body looks betweem 5.85 and 5.10,5 is really big and I am taller than the majority (not the vast though) of women with heels which really helps a lot.
If i was 5.11 real height and with these shoes (6.1 ft) things would be really easy for me and I am completely sure about it as even now at more than 5.10 I am at night with shoes on things are interesting enough.
The problem starts when I put these shoes off or when I wear almost flat shoes with girls I date.
They thing that something changed and I can feel it in the way they look at me but they are not sure what it is most of the times.
So in your question, yes, 2 inches more with shoes one make a big difference at my current height.
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To Body Builder - I'm 5"7.5 with good build, would being 5"9.5 make a noticeable difference in your opinion?
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To Body Builder - I'm 5"7.5 with good build, would being 5"9.5 make a noticeable difference in your opinion?
it's a huge difference. Every inch is bigger than you can imagine.
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To Body Builder - I'm 5"7.5 with good build, would being 5"9.5 make a noticeable difference in your opinion?
For sure.
But if I were you I would go for 2.5 inches to be a solid 5.10.
Then, especially with some shoes with insoles (not any big, 1 inch at max) you'll be about 6ft.
The difference in terms to how people will look to you will be huge.
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I would say you can divide the change into two categories:
1. perception of others
2. self perception
I would think 2 is at least as important, as with more confidence you are more attractive and more persuasive.
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Nobody should take lengthening advice from any of the dorks with BDD on this site.
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I would say you can divide the change into two categories:
1. perception of others
2. self perception
I would think 2 is at least as important, as with more confidence you are more attractive and more persuasive.
Well said. I feel sorry for all the pepole who can't let point 1. go. We are doomed if we obsess over what others feel about us. "Love yourself and others will love you."
Ironically, the RSD guys get more validation than tall good looking dudes, but they had to go through a philosophical transformation to get there.
"Maybe I won't get as many girls giving me the amine eyes when I/they walk by, butttt, once I show them my true self I will get more anime eyes than anyone's ever received."
It's liberating to walk around thinking, "I don't give a pug what anyone thinks about me. I'm the man!"
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He may be 5'8 and can pull girls. 5'8 is dateable. but if he were 5'10+ women would view him differently in a positive manner. that's a fact. I'd rather be 5'10+ and not having to re compensate for lack of height than to be 5'5-5'8 and having to re compensate for lack of height through doing unnecessary things like body building,facial cosmetic surgery,fake machoism self-built confidence, etc.
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He may be 5'8 and can pull girls. 5'8 is dateable. but if he were 5'10+ women would view him differently in a positive manner. that's a fact. I'd rather be 5'10+ and not having to re compensate for lack of height than to be 5'5-5'8 and having to re compensate for lack of height through doing unnecessary things like body building,facial cosmetic surgery,fake machoism self-built confidence, etc.
Well said.
Although when you are 5.8 the things you mentioned will give you more chances while at 5.5 nothing really matters because the lack of height can't be compensateb by anything.
So I truly agree with the spirit of your post but in reality 5.8 has a great differemce compared to 5.5, although it is still not enough to not be considered a drawback.
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Well said.
Although when you are 5.8 the things you mentioned will give you more chances while at 5.5 nothing really matters because the lack of height can't be compensateb by anything.
So I truly agree with the spirit of your post but in reality 5.8 has a great differemce compared to 5.5, although it is still not enough to not be considered a drawback.
5'8 definitely beats 5'5 but i was just giving the short male height ranges. And yeah agreed re compensating at 5'5 won't work unless you don't mind looking young all the time.
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Less than 5 5 you are fu!!!! For all your life in countries where average is 6 feet. So that cr"" of that self confidence and that kind of things Will save you from hell are lies, if you want to seem like if height doesnt care And you are very below average everybody with an average intelligence Will know you are lying And Will laught inside them, paranoic? Ask <5 5 dudes.
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To be male and below 165cm is hell.
No good looks, no achievements in life nor any amount of self-confidence, coolness and pickup skills will help you with girls.
The only thing you can do is focusing on short girls in your height range. That's it. Nothing else can be done.
But the problem with short girls is that there are only a few of them, especially when you look at younger generations.
If I wanted to date a 60-year-old *lol* there are about 20% at that height (<165cm). But there are less than 10% in the 20-30 years range.
I know, the statistics say otherwise, but I've been looking for and counting short girls like forever.
But that's not all: those girls are typically taken like most other girls too. If one of them happens to be single, this rare girl still has to find you handsome and to like your personality.
You guys know how hard it is to find the right girl. If you're shorter than 165cm, you have up to 90% less chance than that.
And you still have competition from all the taller males.
But there is even more in your way: Even if one of those <10% short girls happens to be single, finds you handsome and likes your personality, chances are pretty high that even she thinks that you are too short for her, even though she is in your height range. It's because short girls feel short too. They don't think of them as physically normal compared to other regularly tall people around them and they know you're not normal as well. Girls always look for the best option and you are clearly not the best option if you are a short man. Have fun convincing an equally short girl otherwise.
Now, I'm not saying it's impossible.
I was 161cm and even I got lucky once in my life with a short girl.
But it is very, very hard (emotionally) and you need a lot of time, efforts and most of all: LUCK.
Nothing else will help you, except for LL.
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He may be 5'8 and can pull girls. 5'8 is dateable. but if he were 5'10+ women would view him differently in a positive manner. that's a fact. I'd rather be 5'10+ and not having to re compensate for lack of height than to be 5'5-5'8 and having to re compensate for lack of height through doing unnecessary things like body building,facial cosmetic surgery,fake machoism self-built confidence, etc.
This can also be put the other way around, if a tall guy thinks he has no charisma, no confidence and no pretty face, he could think that he would rather be pretty, confident and charismatic instead of having to compensate for lacking those things with his height. Just saying that traits which make you attractive to women (height, confidence, being handsome, being social) are not better or worse than each other.
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This can also be put the other way around, if a tall guy thinks he has no charisma, no confidence and no pretty face, he could think that he would rather be pretty, confident and charismatic instead of having to compensate for lacking those things with his height. Just saying that traits which make you attractive to women (height, confidence, being handsome, being social) are not better or worse than each other.
Almost no woman would only date handsome men.
The strong majority of men have average or less than average faces but most of them (maybe not the really ugly ones) have much chances in dating.
At the other hand, almost no woman would date a short man (less than 5.7 and especially less than 5.5) only for his lack of height.
So it is not the same. Being not good looking but with a good height and a relativley good style means than you'll have enough chances with women while being short is a so strong drawback that almost nothing could change it and the vast majority of women will reject you only for that, even if you are excellent in anything else.
This is completely ridiculous but it is the harsh truth and all of us know it more or less and thats why we do something so hard like LL.
But even that is more preferable than a life with far less chances for something you cant change physically.
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Almost no woman would only date handsome men.
Almost no woman would date a man that is only tall and has no other positive traits. Height, confidence, handsomeness, integrity, ambition, charisma, ckiness, etc. etc. can all be attractive traits and how important they are in priority is different to every woman. You have said multiple times that you believe height is the most important trait for a man, out of all. I'm just telling you that this is not everybody elses opinion.
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Almost no woman would date a man that is only tall and has no other positive traits. Height, confidence, handsomeness, integrity, ambition, charisma, ckiness, etc. etc. can all be attractive traits and how important they are in priority is different to every woman. You have said multiple times that you believe height is the most important trait for a man, out of all. I'm just telling you that this is not everybody elses opinion.
If you are short then nothing else matters for a woman.
Anything other drawback in a man's appearance can be compensated for a few or a lot other positive traits.
But the real lack of height can't be compensated by anything and that's a fact.
So I don't think that height is everything, of course it isn't, but the lack of height makes anything else to not matter.
Thats what I'm saying and I really don't know how anyone, especially on this forum, could disagree.
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A lot of you guys are misguided and misinformed on this topic. Let me make this very clear to you. Height is the most important factor in dating period. You cannot compensate for being short except with massive amounts of money and status. Just deal with it.
Under 5'8 and you are in for some real problems, believe me.
A tall and ugly guy beats out a short and handsome guy 9 times out of 10.
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A lot of you guys are misguided and misinformed on this topic. Let me make this very clear to you. Height is the most important factor in dating period. You cannot compensate for being short except with massive amounts of money and status. Just deal with it.
Under 5'8 and you are in for some real problems, believe me.
A tall and ugly guy beats out a short and handsome guy 9 times out of 10.
The last hit to you guys that believe still in Fairy tailes
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have you tried wearing lifts with your new height to see if your theory of "doomed dating" is real? I mean now that you are 5'8, have you put 2 inches lifts to see if being 5'10 or almost 5'11 is having such a huge impact as you are implying?
From my anecdotal evidence, those you have it easier with women and dating in general are the good looking guys who are 5'6 and up.
Face matters
Look I am very experienced in these matters and in the subsequent sentence I am going to share my opinion on this topic. I am 5'8 barefoot and before I used to go out without lifts. Without the lifts I had no success with women and never got approached. With the two inch lifts in, I am still short, but I get approached by women, whereas before I wouldn't even get approached.
Several women completely stopped talking to me after they saw me without lifts. This anecdote should really clarify things.
Keep in mind that I am also in very good shape, have a full head of hair and have a straight nose. The only thing that I haven't done yet is try steroids. I am planning to use them now.
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With the two inch lifts in, I am still short, but I get approached by women, whereas before I wouldn't even get approached.
Lol 5'10 is short for you?
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Yes it's short in any state school...
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If you are short then nothing else matters for a woman.
Anything other drawback in a man's appearance can be compensated for a few or a lot other positive traits.
But the real lack of height can't be compensated by anything and that's a fact.
So I don't think that height is everything, of course it isn't, but the lack of height makes anything else to not matter.
Thats what I'm saying and I really don't know how anyone, especially on this forum, could disagree.
I disagree. Height is a trait of attractiveness, but unless you are super short, it's not objectively the most important one.
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Look I am very experienced in these matters and in the subsequent sentence I am going to share my opinion on this topic. I am 5'8 barefoot and before I used to go out without lifts. Without the lifts I had no success with women and never got approached. With the two inch lifts in, I am still short, but I get approached by women, whereas before I wouldn't even get approached.
Several women completely stopped talking to me after they saw me without lifts. This anecdote should really clarify things.
Keep in mind that I am also in very good shape, have a full head of hair and have a straight nose. The only thing that I haven't done yet is try steroids. I am planning to use them now.
You are experienced in what exactly? You said you have no success with women... My anecdotal evidence says that most women dont approach but get approached, and if you wait for them, you will end up a lonely bitter guy.
I know more below 6' than above and 5'10 guys have no problems at all.
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Yes it's short in any state school...
You are the guy who said 5'7.5 is "very short" so it figures. Let me guess what comes next....the younger generation is easily 6'1 on average, most white dudes are 6'2 and girls on average are 5'8, right? Another paranoid alarmist like we didn't already have too many of you.
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You are the guy who said 5'7.5 is "very short" so it figures. Let me guess what comes next....the younger generation is easily 6'1 on average, most white dudes are 6'2 and girls on average are 5'8, right? Another paranoid alarmist like we didn't already have too many of you.
I am not a paranoid alarmist. Anyone with real life dating experience will agree with me on this assertion. Most young white guys are around 6'2 or more. It's just how it is honestly.
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I disagree. Height is a trait of attractiveness, but unless you are super short, it's not objectively the most important one.
Anything under 5'8 is super short honestly.
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Anything under 5.8-5.7 is indeed suoershort for dating.
Some people here can't admit it maybe to feel better with themselves.
But if they don't think their height is a major problem, why they are on a forum that has to do with a so hard (but the only) surgery to change it?
We must be realistic. Noone sane person would do this surgery to become a little better. The 5-7 cm difference in a mans height (if he is from short to just less than average) makes a huge difference, much bigger than having a little better face or sume bigger muscles or anything else.
If you are tall, then with some changes in your appearance and not a very ugly face you have much chances in dating while being short is enough to not have almost any.
If that doesn't make height (or the lack of it to be more specific) the most important trait in a man's appearance then I really can't understand why some people are here and think about LL.
Better go to a gym or buy some good clothes if you are short but height is not the most important thing for you in terms of looks.
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Anything under 5'8 is super short honestly.
https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/
For an adult male, American:
5'8 is "below average", 32.9 Percentile
5'7 is "below average", 21.7 Percentile
For a male in his 20s:
5'8 is "below average", 31.2 Percentile
5'7 is "below average", 20.1 Percentile
Data can be checked with other sources, such as:
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2010/compendia/statab/130ed/tables/11s0205.pdf
Data only for Americans, you can see that the percentiles are even higher (33.1 and 20.6)
https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2/chart-07.pdf
(find the line for a 20 year old)
If you are a troll (most likely), I rate you 6/10. You got me, but you are not original at all. If you are being serious, then the BDD is strong in you if you want to call >20% of male adults "super short", and even stronger if you actually believe this:
Most young white guys are around 6'2 or more.
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Anything under 5.8-5.7 is indeed suoershort for dating.
Some people here can't admit it maybe to feel better with themselves.
But if they don't think their height is a major problem, why they are on a forum that has to do with a so hard (but the only) surgery to change it?
We must be realistic. Noone sane person would do this surgery to become a little better. The 5-7 cm difference in a mans height (if he is from short to just less than average) makes a huge difference, much bigger than having a little better face or sume bigger muscles or anything else.
If you are tall, then with some changes in your appearance and not a very ugly face you have much chances in dating while being short is enough to not have almost any.
If that doesn't make height (or the lack of it to be more specific) the most important trait in a man's appearance then I really can't understand why some people are here and think about LL.
Better go to a gym or buy some good clothes if you are short but height is not the most important thing for you in terms of looks.
I am pretty sure there are forums for cosmetic surgeries for the face (ears, nose, eyes, or whatever) which are much more active than this one. Face is as important as height and unlike height which under a certain threshold becomes an immense obstacle (I would say that under 170cm-168cm height starts to become an unattractive trait) an ugly face (which after speaking with women friends, exes, current GF most guys have) is a huge obstacle no matter what. There are many more ugly guys than too short to date guys
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Most young white guys are around 6'2 or more. It's just how it is honestly.
Wtf? Really?
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Wtf? Really?
Not even close to true.
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Not even close to true.
I know, I'm just surprised he said that.
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Anything under 5.8-5.7 is indeed suoershort for dating.
Some people here can't admit it maybe to feel better with themselves.
Yes, i should totally just think about myself as a subhuman manlet and whine about it whole days on r/short : (
Like cmon
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We are talking about height in the realm of college campuses not in the realm of other places. In the everyday world the average height is 5'10 but not on college campuses, bars and clubs
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We are talking about height in the realm of college campuses not in the realm of other places. In the everyday world the average height is 5'10 but not on college campuses, bars and clubs
Thant's just because shorter people - especially males - tend to avoid crowded places with lots of taller people ;)
In university/college they have no choice and thus, heights are definitely more diverse.
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We are talking about height in the realm of college campuses not in the realm of other places. In the everyday world the average height is 5'10 but not on college campuses, bars and clubs
I don't think thats true.
I don't know about campuses but at clubs I truly think that the average height is at max 1 inch more than the average men's height in each country.
And no, 6.2 is not the average in clubs. In my country that the average height for men is 1.78 in clubs when I wear my shoes with lifts and become about that height, I feel just a little less than average (keep in mind that a bare feet 1.78 man is easily 1.81 with shoes so if my real height was the one that I have with my shoes on I would be completely average even in clubs).
So maybe the average man is 1.80 in the clubs while generally is 1.78 in my country but not more.
And still there are many men less than me but hardly anyone has a good looking woman with him.
But I think that in clubs the problem is the small difference between average or a little less height men with average height women with heels.
The difference is small or zero which makes taller guys have an easier job because women think their height with heels on and many times I am about the same height with 5.6ft girls who without heels are way shorter than me.
Thats the bad thing in clubs, not the average height of men.
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Honestly I am not sure if I would say 5'10 is average among young white males. I think 6' is the average but it doesn't matter. In my case I would be happy with even 5'9.
Also these guys are saying that you can do ok with a height of 5'7 or less and that makes no sense honestly. They are severely underestimating the importance of height to women. The taller the guy is the better he does with women. Once individuals understand that they can explicate their success.
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Considering the amount of out of shape women past their prime these days, the women who intentionally get themselves pregnant to lock a man up, and the amount of men I've seen had their lives completely ruined by some vindictive bitch after they've been in a relationship, female attention is vastly overrated in my opinion. Once you've laid the pipe a few times the value of female attention decreases considerably, I think.
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Considering the amount of out of shape women past their prime these days, the women who intentionally get themselves pregnant to lock a man up, and the amount of men I've seen had their lives completely ruined by some vindictive bitch after they've been in a relationship, female attention is vastly overrated in my opinion. Once you've laid the pipe a few times the value of female attention decreases considerably, I think.
The issue with many guys is that they make the woman the center. Financial success, dressing well, making plans.... are all done to please the woman. This philosophy has to me completely changed where YOU are the center. Woman are part of your circle
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Considering the amount of out of shape women past their prime these days, the women who intentionally get themselves pregnant to lock a man up, and the amount of men I've seen had their lives completely ruined by some vindictive bitch after they've been in a relationship, female attention is vastly overrated in my opinion. Once you've laid the pipe a few times the value of female attention decreases considerably, I think.
+1000
These are words of wisdom, guys.
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Okay - fk me and this BETA fking mindset of height and dating, fking cucks oh my world.
Look - i am 5ft4, I have about 5 sexual partners am 22 - had a relation for a year .. partners have ranged from 5ft7 to 5ft2 ..
My height does affect dating easily can been seen but it doesn't stop me because I'm not a fking depressive cunt like most cucks who are 5ft8 on here crying that their daddy is 0.1cms taller then and they can't function in life.
The real deal is; height does affect dating and flings tremendously for first impressions but if your not a fking retard which imo about 80% of the people on here suck at social situations anyway then it becomes easier but it doesn't avoid the fact that height is a large proportion of dating.
Now fking he'll stop posting like this ... fking vaginas I swear - i don't often say this, but if your 5ft7 or above complaint about how height effects your game then you had no game to begin with ..
If your wondering why I want LL? Because I want to be taller, so it's not on my mind as I feel that I hold myself back because of my height not that I am actually held back .. not because I feel girls will swarm my way .. that's again fking cucks thinking ... I swear this forum is turning into a fking depressive place for people who think they victimised 24/7
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Egocentrical, you have some right points but you are targeting the wrong people.
At 5.8-5.9 like me of course you are not victimizes and of course you still have chances in dating if you are good in other aspects. Everyone who says that he is doomed at these heights is insane.
But still height hold you back as there are still many women who won't find you attractive only for your height.
Thats the truth so we really have reasons to want (another) LL. After all, personally speaking, I don't want to give a mild first impression for something I tried so hard to change but still isn't enough. I want to finish the job and height don't ever be a drawback for me again.
That said, you would be completely right if you talked about 5.11 and more guys who think about this surgery and believe that their height is the reason of their miserable lives.
Yes, these people won't really benefit from LL and most of the times have mental issues.
But sorry dude, a 5.8 guy who wants LL has every reason to want it as bad as a short guy because it will change its life huge, more even compared to a short guy.
I am sure that my second LL who will put me to 1.81 will be much more lifechanging than my current who put me at 1.74-5.
So every shorter than average man has reasons to do LL and will bemefit from it. Not only the real short ones.
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I'm not saying that heightism is non existent at 5ft7 to 5ft8/9 but when I hear people bitch about how their life sucks at this height then the problem is not their height.
Edit: LL at that height range should be seen as a perk, not as something that will drastically change every aspect of someone's life and without it that said person will suffer for ever as a victim.
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At 5 9" I dont feel very short but still a little. At 6' I am sure I Wouldnt even think in height, becuase the dudes over 6 2" look Bad in my opinion.