Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: Taciturn on April 10, 2017, 01:14:57 PM
-
Ugh, where do I start? I'll start with my stats. I'm 16 years old and a half, 6'0" (182.5 cm), 190 pounds, muscular, with a little bit of chub. My arm length, from the acromion bone, to the tip of my middle finger is 88 cm. My hand size, from the base of the palm to middle finger is 9 inches. My sitting height is 100 cm. My inseam is 80 cm, however, the distance from my crotch to the ground is 85 cm. My shoulder width is 23 inches (apparently that's really broad). I have yet to measure my wingspan, but I will make sure to update you.
So, I am aware that I haven't finished growing yet, and that at this height, an increase in height will virtually have little to zero affect on my social status, and society's outlook on me in general. I've never had any disadvantage in life exclusively because of my height, neither was I ever a victim of prejudice because of my height. However, I really don't care. I'm doing this for me. I'm trying my best to get as close as I can to my personal mental image of "perfect height", and that is from 6'3"-6'5". I'm not trying to find out if it's worth it or not, that is for me to decide. However, I'm a proportion freak, and I want to know if a total gain of 4 inches might skew my proportions, and drift me away from the attractive/normal human proportions.
Worth noting is that I'm in no way planning to do this surgery anytime soon. This is just contemplation and preemptive planning for the future. I seem to follow the same growth pattern as my two older brothers (both are 6'1" and both are older than 18 years old), and after a lot of research, I inferred to the fact that I may grow at most 2 cm, or 3 (or nothing at all. Who REALLY knows?) if I'm lucky, and that will all be growth in my spine.
So, in order to give you guys something to work with in regard to my proportions, picture an abnormally muscular 16 year old boy with broad shoulders, a long ass torso, monkey arms (I get them from my mom), and stubby, thick, muscular legs. Do you think an increase in total of 10 cm will be too much? I was thinking about 5 cm in each bone. I will provide pictures of myself if you want.
Thanks in advance.
-
show a pic. Could all be in your mind
-
What do you mean it could all be in my head? Of course it is! I want to be 193 cm, not people. I will send a picture in a minute.
-
Do something else to improve your looks and don't consider LL because it won't bring any benefit to you, only drawbacks.
Your height is good so if you don't like your appearance change something else, not something that it is already very good.
-
Although I sincerely appreciate your input, you really didn't answer my questions at all. You just regurgitated what I've already heard a million times. Maybe on an objective, universal level, short guys do benefit more from this surgery, however, I already stated that I couldn't care less about what people think about my height. Yes, maybe I'd have a bigger motive to increase my height if I faced discrimination or deterrence in life due to my height, but that still doesn't mean that just because I'm already somewhat tall, I'm immune to height neurosis. It's more of a personal goal. And, it doesn't work like that. Just because I'm not happy with my height, doesn't mean the problem stems from another region of my body. I'm fine with my face. I'm fine with my level of muscularity. In fact, I am considerably more muscular than the average man in my country, but still, in my head, I don't like my height as much as people in this site don't, so why am I not as good of a candidate of body modification as the rest of you? To you, maybe the cons and risks outweigh the pros, but to me, it seems to be worth it, because it's a dream of mine. Can you please answer my question, now? Thank you.
-
Post the pic already so you could get an asnwer
-
Troll? If not, you can safely go for that height as your femur And tibia are longer than Many people. But at 6 feet this is a waste of time And money.
-
I find it kind of rude that you're assuming I'm a troll for no apparent reason. Wanna explain why? If it's for the picture, I will send one soon.
Honestly, to shorter guys, 6'0" might be the godfather of all heights, but it's really overrated as hell. It won't be a waste of time and money. Not for me, at least.
-
What do you mean it could all be in my head? Of course it is! I want to be 193 cm, not people. I will send a picture in a minute.
Why is being your standard of a "perfect height" more important to you than having full retention of your athletic abilities? You want to be a male model or something? Or extra attention from girls? If you want any career where physical performance is an important aspect then don't bother with this. Worst case scenario you die from embolism, or the surgery goes fine but you live with annoyances like you can't kneel on a hardwood floor or go outside in cold weather without pain. The euphoria you get from being your ideal height will wear off eventually but you'll live the rest of your life with the side effects.
-
If I knew that increasing my height to this extent would impair my atheltic ability, I wouldn't have asked something as silly as this. I mean, I knew to some extent you wouldn't be as capable as you naturally were, but 5 cm on each bone seemed to apparently be a great choice. Is it not? I thought only exceeding 6 cm would take a toll on your atheltic capabilities. Thank you.
-
And no, it isn't specifically for modeling or girls, however I may puruse being a model later, but I don't think I have what it takes. It's mostly for my own sanity. And well, I don't plan on pursuing any career that requires having great athletic ability (competing), however, I love working out. Again, I thought only exceeding 6 CM on one bone would have this much of a drastic drawback.
-
And no, it isn't specifically for modeling or girls, however I may puruse being a model later, but I don't think I have what it takes. It's mostly for my own sanity. And well, I don't plan on pursuing any career that requires having great athletic ability (competing), however, I love working out. Again, I thought only exceeding 6 CM on one bone would have this much of a drastic drawback.
If you are 16 you could grow more than 1" do not believe the crap you read online or in these studies even endocrinologists cannot properly predict height
If you weigh 190 at 16 I'd suggest you go on a diet because no offende your generation is usually overweight and you will get fatter as you age anyway. Don't mistake fat for ''well built' or 'muscular' I guarantee you you aren't!
-
And no, it isn't specifically for modeling or girls, however I may puruse being a model later, but I don't think I have what it takes. It's mostly for my own sanity. And well, I don't plan on pursuing any career that requires having great athletic ability (competing), however, I love working out. Again, I thought only exceeding 6 CM on one bone would have this much of a drastic drawback.
I agree that your sanity needs some work, but this surgery will not help.
-
If I knew that increasing my height to this extent would impair my atheltic ability, I wouldn't have asked something as silly as this. I mean, I knew to some extent you wouldn't be as capable as you naturally were, but 5 cm on each bone seemed to apparently be a great choice. Is it not? I thought only exceeding 6 cm would take a toll on your atheltic capabilities. Thank you.
No, doing 2 surgeries will harm your body a lot and you won't have the same athletic abilities an now, eeven if everything goes well.
But most of the times, especially with tibias, things don't go well and you are gonna have from minor to maybe major problems like decrease in balance, pains in knees and ankles, possible premature arthritis and much more that almost anyone who does LL will face.
So if you think that all these are worth to become 6.4ft (which is a far worse height than 6 ft imo in terms of aesthetics) then it is your choice.
But it is a silly choice and I'm telling it to you in a comoletely friendly way.
-
Also you can still get some cm, 6 1", at that height this is a little crazy.
-
If you are 16 you could grow more than 1" do not believe the crap you read online or in these studies even endocrinologists cannot properly predict height
If you weigh 190 at 16 I'd suggest you go on a diet because no offende your generation is usually overweight and you will get fatter as you age anyway. Don't mistake fat for ''well built' or 'muscular' I guarantee you you aren't!
No one knows how much I will grow. I'll just wait and find out after 18.
How do you even know if I'm fat or muscular? Do you know my body more than I do? Dude, I did say I'm a bit chubby, but most of my weight (outside of everything else) is muscle. I'm only 86 KG, which is not THAT much for a decently built, 6'0" guy.
-
Not everybody gets fatter with age, why do you write that?
-
I agree that your sanity needs some work, but this surgery will not help.
Thanks for being useless and uninformative. You really set the standard for terrible LLSF members. I would more than love to hear your input about how I'm apparently insane and deranged, but you didn't even bother to mention why. Just remember that you too are willing to break your bones, stretch your nerves and muscles for a couple of inches of height gain, that you think will astronomically turn your life around. If I'm insane, you must be too. I wasn't even saying I'm 100% gonna do the surgery, I'm just inquiring. Thanks anyways.
-
No, doing 2 surgeries will harm your body a lot and you won't have the same athletic abilities an now, eeven if everything goes well.
But most of the times, especially with tibias, things don't go well and you are gonna have from minor to maybe major problems like decrease in balance, pains in knees and ankles, possible premature arthritis and much more that almost anyone who does LL will face.
So if you think that all these are worth to become 6.4ft (which is a far worse height than 6 ft imo in terms of aesthetics) then it is your choice.
But it is a silly choice and I'm telling it to you in a comoletely friendly way.
Wow, this was informative and eye-opening. Thanks.
-
No, doing 2 surgeries will harm your body a lot and you won't have the same athletic abilities an now, eeven if everything goes well.
But most of the times, especially with tibias, things don't go well and you are gonna have from minor to maybe major problems like decrease in balance, pains in knees and ankles, possible premature arthritis and much more that almost anyone who does LL will face.
So if you think that all these are worth to become 6.4ft (which is a far worse height than 6 ft imo in terms of aesthetics) then it is your choice.
But it is a silly choice and I'm telling it to you in a comoletely friendly way.
Everyone who goes through the LL procedure will inevitably get decrease in balance, pains in knees and ankles, and arthritis?
-
What surgeon is going to be willing to perform this on someone who's 6 feet? If you need help with your sanity then get therapy or something.
-
What surgeon is going to be willing to perform this on someone who's 6 feet? If you need help with your sanity then get therapy or something.
Does everything go over your head this easily? The fact that I'm 4 inches shorter than my personal ideal height isn't that detrimental. I'm just inquiring about the subject. Who said I needed help with my sanity? Would I like to be 6'4"? Sure, but I'm not gonna kill myself because I'm shorter than that.
-
And no, it isn't specifically for modeling or girls, however I may puruse being a model later, but I don't think I have what it takes. It's mostly for my own sanity And well, I don't plan on pursuing any career that requires having great athletic ability (competing), however, I love working out. Again, I thought only exceeding 6 CM on one bone would have this much of a drastic drawback.
You said your doing it for your own sanity, it means you need help with your sanity. Go ahead and do it if you want, you may regret it.
-
You said your doing it for your own sanity, it means you need help with your sanity. Go ahead and do it if you want, you may regret it.
Maybe I worded that wrong, but what I meant was that I'm only doing it for myself. Not that I'm crazy or mentally ill.
-
And I'm not saying that I want to do it or made a decision. I'm just interested. Thanks for ignoring my question, though.
-
Thanks for being useless and uninformative. You really set the standard for terrible LLSF members. I would more than love to hear your input about how I'm apparently insane and deranged, but you didn't even bother to mention why. Just remember that you too are willing to break your bones, stretch your nerves and muscles for a couple of inches of height gain, that you think will astronomically turn your life around. If I'm insane, you must be too. I wasn't even saying I'm 100% gonna do the surgery, I'm just inquiring. Thanks anyways.
You are welcome. The reason I said that your sanity needs some work is double: first, you admitted that your sanity is not OK; and second, you are considering undergoing a massively invasive surgery to "improve" something that is already perfect. Do you think it is really worth the risks?
There are many other ways of improving yourself. Just forget about this surgery.
Yours sincerely,
A guy that will be 3 inches shorter than you after his surgery
-
Everyone who goes through the LL procedure will inevitably get decrease in balance, pains in knees and ankles, and arthritis?
More or less. And if not all of them, some of them for sure.
Your feet won't be the same after LL. This surgery is suitable only for people less than average height because you lose something but you get something else.
For average and more people, especially at 6ft like you, this surgery will only bring negatives.
Thats a fact.
-
You are welcome. The reason I said that your sanity needs some work is double: first, you admitted that your sanity is not OK; and second, you are considering undergoing a massively invasive surgery to "improve" something that is already perfect. Do you think it is really worth the risks?
There are many other ways of improving yourself. Just forget about this surgery.
Yours sincerely,
A guy that will be 3 inches shorter than you after his surgery
1. Absolutely nowhere in this thread did I ever make any statement that remotely implied that I'm demented or mentally unbalanced. That's you speaking on my behalf.
2. This would be 100x times more convincing and substantial if it wasn't for the fact that you are also considering "undergoing a massively invasive surgery to improve" your height. Look, I appreciate that you think my height is "perfect", but I hope you know that there are no universal standards or ideals for the "perfect" male (or female) height. It's mostly subjective and perceptual, and if any, it all suggests that being tall for a man is better, and I do not feel like I'm tall enough. It's essentially the same dysmorphia; we both don't feel tall enough, so who cares what your starting point is? I'm going from tall, to really tall. You're going from short, to average. It seems to me like it's pretty equal in terms of weighing out the pros and cons.
-
Frankly, do what you want. Although understand at 16 you may even grow a little taller or you might not want this surgery at all in a few years. It really depends if you want to do tibias or femurs, honestly at your height I wouldn't even exceed 4 cm which is basically 1.6 inches. It will be a very noticeably difference and every cm takes an extra toll on your body. You will never be your pre LL self athleticism wise, but you can get very close for sure.
-
More or less. And if not all of them, some of them for sure.
Your feet won't be the same after LL. This surgery is suitable only for people less than average height because you lose something but you get something else.
For average and more people, especially at 6ft like you, this surgery will only bring negatives.
Thats a fact.
If that was true, I wouldn't have even considered it in the first place. To me, being 6'5" is VERY positive. And, do you really think that going from 6'1" (let's assume I will get there after 5 years) to 6'5" is not that substantial? You short dudes REALLY make this height sound celestial, where it's the shortest tall height out there (along with 5'11. In European countries). In a couple of generations, 6'0" will be nothing but average. In fact, in a class of Europeans, that's roughly what the average is for the young adults and teens. At least in mine. What's so great about being average height, anyways? If you're doing it for women, they mostly like really tall guys. If you're doing it to look more masculine, you're not really that big at average height. Why is it better if I'm starting at a shorter height?
-
Frankly, do what you want. Although understand at 16 you may even grow a little taller or you might not want this surgery at all in a few years. It really depends if you want to do tibias or femurs, honestly at your height I wouldn't even exceed 4 cm which is basically 1.6 inches. It will be a very noticeably difference and every cm takes an extra toll on your body. You will never be your pre LL self athleticism wise, but you can get very close for sure.
First open-minded response. Thanks. Yes, I agree, but only if I grew at least 3 CM. It doesn't seem like it. I look pretty developed already. I know that I cannot retain 100% of my athletic ability, and I would choose being taller to playing sports on a competitive level. I will still be able to run, jog, walk, lift weights, and do exercises like squats, right? Those are the only important things to me.
-
Delete this comment.
-
If that was true, I wouldn't have even considered it in the first place. To me, being 6'5" is VERY positive. And, do you really think that going from 6'1" (let's assume I will get there after 5 years) to 6'5" is not that substantial? You short dudes REALLY make this height sound celestial, where it's the shortest tall height out there (along with 5'11. In European countries). In a couple of generations, 6'0" will be nothing but average. In fact, in a class of Europeans, that's roughly what the average is for the young adults and teens. At least in mine. What's so great about being average height, anyways? If you're doing it for women, they mostly like really tall guys. If you're doing it to look more masculine, you're not really that big at average height. Why is it better if I'm starting at a shorter height?
For you.
For aesthetics and what women answered in any survey, anything more than 6.3 is too much and not good looking compared to 6-6.1 ft .
And no, very tall guys hardly ever look masculine at all.
Most of the times have skinny bodies or bodies which seems unfit because most of the times they can't have serious muscles.
The most masculine and aesthetic male bodies are at 5.10 to 6ft.
And I don't know about future generations in 20-30 years, I care about now and I compare myself with men of my generation, not to next generations.
So, a 6ft height is from very good to ideal and much better in everything than 6.5.
But if you want to be 6.5, do what you want. After all you are just a kid now, maybe in one year you forget completely about all these and start having problems with something else like your face, your muscles etc.
When you grow up and be at least 20, then come again to talk more seriously.
-
Delete this comment.
What comment?
-
For you.
For aesthetics and what women answered in any survey, anything more than 6.3 is too much and not good looking compared to 6-6.1 ft .
And no, very tall guys hardly ever look masculine at all.
Most of the times have skinny bodies or bodies which seems unfit because most of the times they can't have serious muscles.
The most masculine and aesthetic male bodies are at 5.10 to 6ft.
And I don't know about future generations in 20-30 years, I care about now and I compare myself with men of my generation, not to next generations.
So, a 6ft height is from very good to ideal and much better in everything than 6.5.
But if you want to be 6.5, do what you want. After all you are just a kid now, maybe in one year you forget completely about all these and start having problems with something else like your face, your muscles etc.
When you grow up and be at least 20, then come again to talk more seriously.
Are you kidding me? Are you telling me guys like Jason Momoa and Chris Hemsworth are all not masculine looking? Just because you're tall, doesn't mean that you need to be skinny. I'm not saying I will look like these guys after I do this surgery, I'm just saying that I would like myself more. And, I doubt it. I doubt any woman would choose a 6'0" guy over a 6'4" guy. Maybe 6'6"+ is far too tall, but 6'4" is awesome. It's really tall, but it's not TOO towering.
-
First open-minded response. Thanks. Yes, I agree, but only if I grew at least 3 CM. It doesn't seem like it. I look pretty developed already. I know that I cannot retain 100% of my athletic ability, and I would choose being taller to playing sports on a competitive level. I will still be able to run, jog, walk, lift weights, and do exercises like squats, right? Those are the only important things to me.
Most likely, remember nothing is certain. Some guy named Apo went from 5'7 to 6'2 and looks like he is fine for now but he will most likely have problems later in life. Most likely you will be able to do all of those things in normal fashion. It seems generally people who do 5cm and under mostly go back to normal, that is if they go to a respectable surgeon and follow all of their instructions and are motivated in rehabilitation. What the people here are telling you is that it's not worth it for your height, I do agree with them but it's your body not mine. I understand you don't want to hear "you shouldn't do this" "you have a good height already" so I won't throw that type of talk at you. Just remember that this surgery is not a walk in the park, it's a SERIOUS life decision that only you can decide if it's worth it. If you're set on doing this, I strongly advise not going over 4cm, just my take. You are 16, trust me your opinions will change.
Users like bodybuilder are just trying to help you out, he has gone through this surgery before so he knows it is not easy. You are a great height, do not take that for granted.
-
Most likely, remember nothing is certain. Some guy named Apo went from 5'7 to 6'2 and looks like he is fine for now but he will most likely have problems later in life. Most likely you will be able to do all of those things in normal fashion. It seems generally people who do 5cm and under mostly go back to normal, that is if they go to a respectable surgeon and follow all of their instructions and are motivated in rehabilitation. What the people here are telling you is that it's not worth it for your height, I do agree with them but it's your body not mine. I understand you don't want to hear "you shouldn't do this" "you have a good height already" so I won't throw that type of talk at you. Just remember that this surgery is not a walk in the park, it's a SERIOUS life decision that only you can decide if it's worth it. If you're set on doing this, I strongly advise not going over 4cm, just my take.
That guy from old forum ? I believe it was 5'6" to 6 feet, at least that's what I've read everywhere.
-
Most likely, remember nothing is certain. Some guy named Apo went from 5'7 to 6'2 and looks like he is fine for now but he will most likely have problems later in life. Most likely you will be able to do all of those things in normal fashion. It seems generally people who do 5cm and under mostly go back to normal, that is if they go to a respectable surgeon and follow all of their instructions and are motivated in rehabilitation. What the people here are telling you is that it's not worth it for your height, I do agree with them but it's your body not mine. I understand you don't want to hear "you shouldn't do this" "you have a good height already" so I won't throw that type of talk at you. Just remember that this surgery is not a walk in the park, it's a SERIOUS life decision that only you can decide if it's worth it. If you're set on doing this, I strongly advise not going over 4cm, just my take. You are 16, trust me your opinions will change.
I respect you for this. I know my opinions are gonna change. I might never ever do it. I'm just inquiring. I'm trying to find out whether I want to do it or not. I'm not saying I've made the decision and I'm going under the knife tomorrow. I know people here are saying that, but I just can't seem to agree with it. I'm kind of curious, why do you personally think it's not worth it for my height?
What I pictured would be ideal is go for 4 or 5 cm on each segment. That Apo guy did 7 inches, which is insane
-
It's not worth it for your height because 6'0-6'2 is the best height range, period. After 6'2-6'3 height becomes more of a negative than a positive. You'll become too tall for most women believe it or not. Coming from a guy who has looked through many studies and used to obsess about this. Most males also over-exaggerate their height. Apparently everyone on the internet is 6'0+ tall these days on various forums. 6'4 dudes in my opinion just look too large, and that's not always a good thing.
-
we should just completely ignore these type of threads
-
we should just completely ignore these type of threads
That's not very nice.
-
Well, 6'4 isn't all that far from 6'3. Isn't 6'3 better than 6'1? It's taller, but you're not enormously tall, and neither are you so tall that you have insanely long legs, fked proportions, bad muscle insertions, or bad ability to put on muscle. 6'3 is a pretty solid height
-
That's not very nice.
if being 6'3-6'5 is what'll make you happy then do it because at the end of the day it's what makes you happy not us but there are ppl here busting their ass to be half ur height and ur potraying as if u have a bad life. Where do you live?
-
if being 6'3-6'5 is what'll make you happy then do it because at the end of the day it's what makes you happy not us but there are ppl here busting their ass to be half ur height and ur potraying as if u have a bad life. Where do you live?
see, it's responses like yours that piss me the f*ck off. dude, I NEVER SAID anyone ever treated me in a discriminate or prejudiced manner because of my height. my life is normal. no, girls dont bend over in the middle of the street whenever they see me, and neither do men "fear" me because im 6'0 either. im in the same boat as you all are, i sympathize with any person that had to go through any hardship because of their height, ESPECIALLY men, but please dont make it seem like i have everything perfect in my life and that my height is internationally acclaimed as the ideal height and i still want an increase. im just a normal guy with height dysmorphia like you guys are, but my starting height is a little higher. i already explained that this problem arises from within me, and that i dont give a fk about what girls think. if a girl loves me, shes gonna love me whether im 7'0 or 5'0. its again, a personal goal. i live in the european side of turkey, where people here are all of european descent, so they're all pretty tall. but honestly, i dont want to use that as an excuse. i dont compare myself to them. i just like 6'4, i dont know what it is....maybe i am an idiot. sorry for wasting your time...
-
6'4 is overrated unless you're a basketball player/sports star. It simply is honestly too tall. If you must do this surgery stick to 4 cm =6"1.6 in shoes 6'2 or 6'2.5 if you do 5cm that's basically 6'2 barefoot and 6'3 in shoes. Many dudes claim their height is the one or shoes or over-exaggerate it to begin with. 6'2 is the 99th percentile in height and I urge you not to do two segments for your own personal health/safety. It's simply not worth it.
-
6'4 is overrated unless you're a basketball player/sports star. It simply is honestly too tall. If you must do this surgery stick to 4 cm =6"1.6 in shoes 6'2 or 6'2.5 if you do 5cm that's basically 6'2 barefoot and 6'3 in shoes. Many dudes claim their height is the one or shoes or over-exaggerate it to begin with. 6'2 is the 99th percentile in height and I urge you not to do two segments for your own personal health/safety. It's simply not worth it.
Yeah, this makes sense. If I ever make it to 6'1 in the future, i'll just do 2 inches in one segment and be done with it
-
see, it's responses like yours that piss me the f*ck off. dude, I NEVER SAID anyone ever treated me in a discriminate or prejudiced manner because of my height. my life is normal. no, girls dont bend over in the middle of the street whenever they see me, and neither do men "fear" me because im 6'0 either. im in the same boat as you all are, i sympathize with any person that had to go through any hardship because of their height, ESPECIALLY men, but please dont make it seem like i have everything perfect in my life and that my height is internationally acclaimed as the ideal height and i still want an increase. im just a normal guy with height dysmorphia like you guys are, but my starting height is a little higher. i already explained that this problem arises from within me, and that i dont give a fk about what girls think. if a girl loves me, shes gonna love me whether im 7'0 or 5'0. its again, a personal goal. i live in the european side of turkey, where people here are all of european descent, so they're all pretty tall. but honestly, i dont want to use that as an excuse. i dont compare myself to them. i just like 6'4, i dont know what it is....maybe i am an idiot. sorry for wasting your time...
exactly, ur height isn't fking up ur life therefore after LL u wont benefit anything. waste of ur money,time and athleticism. bro u are 16 and stressing about this crap that'll cost you thousands of dollars that could've been spent on some other crap. i wish i was naturally 6'0 so i wouldn't have to worry about spending tens of thousands on some dumb ass surgery. you probably won't even get the surgery anyway down the line you'll realize its all in ur head and not worth it. dont you think we all want to be some fkin 6'3 200lbs beast? and yeah i like 6'8 i fantasize about being overly tall and towering over everyone but its all a pipe dream. do what makes u happy its not my legs
-
Are you still going to post pictures of you?
You came here for advice, but you fight everyone and everything, just because you don't like to read what experienced LLers tell you.
You accuse friendly users of not helping, even though they clearly try to, but to this point, you have never done anything to help them by providing the material you promised.
You yourself are off-topic.
You want to know if a total gain of 4 inches might skew your proportions and if they think that an increase in total of 10 cm would be too much.
It's your own fault which direction this thread is taking.
Be yourself "useful" and post your pictures, then you will get your answers.
And don't even try to argue with me over this!
-
As far as I know, mean height in Turkey is a whopping 173 cm. Talk about a confident man who is unhappy at 6 feet in that country. Now I'm sure I'm gonna be told by our new member that the European side of Turkey is much, much taller, and of course young Turks must be easily all be 6'1 and above, because as we've heard countless of times, "the young generation is tall, very tall, belive me, I wouldn't lie to you." Anyway I really believe this forum should have stricter rules for allowing new members, perhaps filling out a short questionnaire while registering plus a personal approval by a moderator would be very advisable to improve the quality of this place. This is above all a forum about a serious matter, so quality is needed. This is a serious suggestion by the way, so now let the drama in this thread continue in 3, 2, 1...
-
That guy is obviously a troll, don't fall for it.
-
Are you still going to post pictures of you?
You came here for advice, but you fight everyone and everything, just because you don't like to read what experienced LLers tell you.
You accuse friendly users of not helping, even though they clearly try to, but to this point, you have never done anything to help them by providing the material you promised.
You yourself are off-topic.
You want to know if a total gain of 4 inches might skew your proportions and if they think that an increase in total of 10 cm would be too much.
It's your own fault which direction this thread is taking.
Be yourself "useful" and post your pictures, then you will get your answers.
And don't even try to argue with me over this!
Jesus Christ, you came with a vengeance from that other thread. Calm down. First of all, Chris, I never fought with anyone here, I only argued with my own experiences and beliefs. What everyone is doing.
My inquiry was obviously about proportions, but everyone seemed to swerve away from that (or actually not tackle the subject AT ALL. Only one guy in this whole thread even MENTIONED proportions). I'm not the one digressing. No one here said a total increase of 10 CM would be too much after taking into account my proportions and my numbers, they just straight up told me that my feelings are invalid because I'm already "tall" to them. I understand I may be a pain in the ass, but I'm trying to be reasonable here. Mental body image issues, or dysmorphia, are not exclusive to a certain height. It doesn't really make me feel all that great when a guy comes in and says: "You are by normal standards tall, therefore all of your insecurities, and body image issues are irrelevant". Granted, some guys here were great, insightful, understanding, and informative, but most weren't, so stop making me look worse than I am. I will post a picture, but the fact that no one even mentioned proportions in the first place, shows that they probably wouldn't have reacted drastically different if I DID provide pictures.
-
As far as I know, mean height in Turkey is a whopping 173 cm. Talk about a confident man who is unhappy at 6 feet in that country. Now I'm sure I'm gonna be told by our new member that the European side of Turkey is much, much taller, and of course young Turks must be easily all be 6'1 and above, because as we've heard countless of times, "the young generation is tall, very tall, belive me, I wouldn't lie to you." Anyway I really believe this forum should have stricter rules for allowing new members, perhaps filling out a short questionnaire while registering plus a personal approval by a moderator would be very advisable to improve the quality of this place. This is above all a forum about a serious matter, so quality is needed. This is a serious suggestion by the way, so now let the drama in this thread continue in 3, 2, 1...
Wow, with utmost respect, you are a bitter f*ck. You don't even take me seriously whatsoever. You can't even BEGIN to consider my issues or pay any respect to me. I never said the average height in Turkey is 6'1". I said the European side of the country has a lot of tall people, and yes, the new generation is taller than the previous one. Are all of my feelings and insecurities suddenly invalid and unworthy of anything just because I'm taller than you? I've seen A LOT of 5'10" guys in here, do you give them this much crap, too?
-
Are you kidding me? Are you telling me guys like Jason Momoa and Chris Hemsworth are all not masculine looking? Just because you're tall, doesn't mean that you need to be skinny. I'm not saying I will look like these guys after I do this surgery, I'm just saying that I would like myself more. And, I doubt it. I doubt any woman would choose a 6'0" guy over a 6'4" guy. Maybe 6'6"+ is far too tall, but 6'4" is awesome. It's really tall, but it's not TOO towering.
Because Momoa is masculine that hasn't to do with all the people of his height.
He is the exception.
And Lee Priest, the legendary bber, looks more masculine than Momoa and he is 5.4. What does that mean? He is an exception too.
And if women would prefer 6.4 ft men from 6 ft, then in almost all surveys the ideal height for men would have been 6.4, not 6 or 6.1 ft. But in all these surveys the best height for men is 6.1 at max.
If you like yourself more do it and become 6.4.
But I am talking objectively and in reality 6.4 is not better from 6-6.1 ft in anything.
Thats what I'm trying to say. You can't do what you want but you can't change the reality which is that men at 6ft have no benefit of doing LL and after 6.3ft height starts to become a drawback, not a benefit.
Thats the truth no matter what you want to do with your body.
-
Because Momoa is masculine that hasn't to do with all the people of his height.
He is the exception.
And Lee Priest, the legendary bber, looks more masculine than Momoa and he is 5.4. What does that mean? He is an exception too.
And if women would prefer 6.4 ft men from 6 ft, then in almost all surveys the ideal height for men would have been 6.4, not 6 or 6.1 ft. But in all these surveys the best height for men is 6.1 at max.
If you like yourself more do it and become 6.4.
But I am talking objectively and in reality 6.4 is not better from 6-6.1 ft in anything.
Thats what I'm trying to say. You can't do what you want but you can't change the reality which is that men at 6ft have no benefit of doing LL and after 6.3ft height starts to become a drawback, not a benefit.
Thats the truth no matter what you want to do with your body.
I totally agree. Men of all heights can be physically masculine, just like men of all heights can be the opposite, regardless of height. Again, I honestly do not care about these surveys, what women think, and what women want when it comes to height. 5'0" guys are getting p*ssy, and 7'0" guys are getting p*ssy. If she's choosing me for my height, I'm not interested in her in the first place. I'm sorry, but objectively, 6'0" is in no way superior to 6'4". 6'0" is good, but 6'4" is better. You're taller than the very vast majority of people, you stand out, but you do not look like a giant, or look too tall, or kind of grotesque like 6'6+ guys do. I am doing this for me. My own desire to be taller.
Oh, and Lee Priest isn't more masculine than Jason. He's more muscular, but that doesn't necessarily translate into more masculine. Lee does have amazing arms, though.
-
Unless you abnormally have too long tibia or femur or just supper crazy long legs you will look okay. One reason is that you said you would do 2 surgeries and not 1 so one segment won't increase by 10 cm. Also the taller you are the more you can get away with it because it will be a smaller percent of your proportions that will taller which will be more safer and less noticeable. Ironically the shorter guys that need it more will look weird with big amounts, just look at Apotheosis that looks like a preying mantis. And I won't mention your height since I doubt you will get the surgery, you're just a kid and will probably find something else to obsess about later.
-
Unless you abnormally have too long tibia or femur or just supper crazy long legs you will look okay. One reason is that you said you would do 2 surgeries and not 1 so one segment won't increase by 10 cm. Also the taller you are the more you can get away with it because it will be a smaller percent of your proportions that will taller which will be more safer and less noticeable. Ironically the shorter guys that need it more will look weird with big amounts, just look at Apotheosis that looks like a preying mantis. And I won't mention your height since I doubt you will get the surgery, you're just a kid and will probably find something else to obsess about later.
Why do you doubt it? It's a dream of mine. If I'm by any measure stupid, crazy, or blind to the truth, you are too. You're going from 5'9" to 5'11". Yes, 2 inches is a noticeable difference, but not major at all, and you'd still be pretty close to average height. Whatever, I won't judge you. And yes, the two surgery thing people did clear up for me. It's not worth it to get two.
I'm a kid.....and? Aren't YOU obsessing over it, too? You detest your height so much, that you're going as far as considering undergoing such a major surgery. Great argument.
-
exactly, ur height isn't fking up ur life therefore after LL u wont benefit anything. waste of ur money,time and athleticism. bro u are 16 and stressing about this crap that'll cost you thousands of dollars that could've been spent on some other crap. i wish i was naturally 6'0 so i wouldn't have to worry about spending tens of thousands on some dumb ass surgery. you probably won't even get the surgery anyway down the line you'll realize its all in ur head and not worth it. dont you think we all want to be some fkin 6'3 200lbs beast? and yeah i like 6'8 i fantasize about being overly tall and towering over everyone but its all a pipe dream. do what makes u happy its not my legs
What's your height? I mean, I doubt it's fking up your life that much, and if it IS fking up your life, you really think 2 inches will turn your life around? I'm friends with guys shorter than me, and most of them get FAAAAR more girls than me, and no bigger guys bully them or fk with them, so do you really think it's because of your height? Exactly! We all deep down wanna be 6'3, so why are these guys saying "its too tall"? I did say that the benefit is that im gonna like my height more
-
We all deep down wanna be 6'3
No we don't, dude. Don't confuse the fantasies of a 16 year old boy with that of grown up adults.
-
What's your height? I mean, I doubt it's fking up your life that much, and if it IS fking up your life, you really think 2 inches will turn your life around? I'm friends with guys shorter than me, and most of them get FAAAAR more girls than me, and no bigger guys bully them or fk with them, so do you really think it's because of your height? Exactly! We all deep down wanna be 6'3, so why are these guys saying "its too tall"? I did say that the benefit is that im gonna like my height more
Trust me if you were my starting height you would've already shot yourself in the head. and 2 inches won't change which is why im probably gonna be the next apo to be honest. Also, I've said this before and I'll say it again your friends may be short and getting lots of more females than you but if they were 5'10+ the females would see them as more masculine,alpha whatever. But I'm not undergoing LL to be seen as more alpha. Height is just an addicting thing. Apotheosis for example could've easily stopped lengthening at 5'11 and have been grateful but he wanted more height. Height is an amazing thing. Seeing things that u saw as big aren't so big anymore and ur also engaging with the world in a different way. They don't see you as some manlet midget anymore. Idk why im even talking to a teen. You'll probably naturally forget about height. There are plenty of people that are 6'0 and running healthy happy lives that's the average height for a successful male.
-
Trust me if you were my starting height you would've already shot yourself in the head. and 2 inches won't change crap which is why im probably gonna be the next apo to be honest. Also, I've said this before and I'll say it again your friends may be short and getting lots of more females than you but if they were 5'10+ the females would see them as more masculine,alpha whatever. But I'm not undergoing LL to be seen as more alpha. Height is just an addicting thing. Apotheosis for example could've easily stopped lengthening at 5'11 and have been grateful but he wanted more height. Height is an amazing thing. Seeing things that u saw as big aren't so big anymore and ur also engaging with the world in a different way. They don't see you as some manlet midget anymore. Idk why im even talking to a teen. You'll probably naturally forget about height. There are plenty of people that are 6'0 and running healthy happy lives that's the average height for a successful male.
You did nothing but provide more reason for me to lengthen. Come on, dude, 6'4" is SO much better than 6'0". Yes, it's not equal to how much better 6'0" is to being like 5'5", but that's exactly why you fail to see my point. To you, I'm already on the pinnacle, and lengthening would be overdoing it, and the height gain of 4 inches is not worth the pain, money and time, but that's exactly how i see YOUR desires. I've seen 5'0 guys plan to get to 5'4, and im like, is it really worth it? you'd still be considered very short. you're not changing anything. im transitioning from being tall, to being very tall. these guys are going from short, to short. or short, to barley average. what do you think?
-
No we don't, dude. Don't confuse the fantasies of a 16 year old boy with that of grown up adults.
You don't wish to be tall? You must have a really good reason to be on this site. Otherwise, you're just bitter, butthurt, and hypocritical.
-
You don't wish to be tall? You must have a really good reason to be on this site. Otherwise, you're just bitter, butthurt, and hypocritical.
True, I wish to be more average. I would not be on this site if I were a strong 5'9'' or 5'10''. Wishing to be tall is pretty childish IMO, perhaps when I was 12 or 13 years old I fantasized about being 6'3'', but I'm long over that.
-
True, I wish to be more average. I would not be on this site if I were a strong 5'9'' or 5'10''. Wishing to be tall is pretty childish IMO, perhaps when I was 12 or 13 years old I fantasized about being 6'3'', but I'm long over that.
It's childish because you CAN'T get to a height considered "tall" without either ruining your body proportions, risking getting post-surgery complications, impairing your motor ability or your athletic ability. You're only trying to convince yourself that to not feel terrible about the fact that you won't be close to that height even after having your legs surgically snapped in f*cking half. Wake up. You're lying to yourself. There's nothing childish about wanting to be 6'3" if the logistics are there. Just because I have different goals than you, doesn't mean mine are any less justified or worthwhile. If anything, I'm probably getting more out of this surgery. Stop being so fking bitter.
-
Most of the posts may come off as harsh but are intended to be in your best interest. Not just "we won't reach 6' so it must be a great height", but not wanting someone that might do more harm than good to themselves to go through with it.
doesn't mean mine are any less justified or worthwhile
Not knocking on your aspiration- but it does mean that. A failed student sitting through 3 months of summer school to get Bs and an A student doing it to get A+ isn't the same.
At the very least you seem like you'd do intense research and make an informed decision if you did go through with it. At 16, you have at least a good 2 years to think about it.
-
It's childish because you CAN'T get to a height considered "tall" without either ruining your body proportions, risking getting post-surgery complications, impairing your motor ability or your athletic ability. You're only trying to convince yourself that to not feel terrible about the fact that you won't be close to that height even after having your legs surgically snapped in f*cking half. Wake up. You're lying to yourself. There's nothing childish about wanting to be 6'3" if the logistics are there. Just because I have different goals than you, doesn't mean mine are any less justified or worthwhile. If anything, I'm probably getting more out of this surgery. Stop being so fking bitter.
Lol nah. Don't try to get at me with your attempt at quack psychology analysis kiddo. I'm like twice your age and thought a lot longer about all of this than you did. The drawbacks of being a short man are much, much more severe than the benefits of being a 6'3'' tall man. It's not comparable. It's like a poor person being desparate about wanting to have a job that can pay a nice house and a nice car, vs. a middle-class person coming to the internet whining on why he can't be a millionaire with three Bugattis like the one Kanye West showed off on Instagram yesterday. Seriously, do you think most 6 foot men on the planet think about breaking their legs to be a super tall alpha male? Nah kiddo, they work with what they have because it's gonna be more than enough for 99% of them.
-
Why do you doubt it? It's a dream of mine. If I'm by any measure stupid, crazy, or blind to the truth, you are too. You're going from 5'9" to 5'11". Yes, 2 inches is a noticeable difference, but not major at all, and you'd still be pretty close to average height. Whatever, I won't judge you. And yes, the two surgery thing people did clear up for me. It's not worth it to get two.
I'm a kid.....and? Aren't YOU obsessing over it, too? You detest your height so much, that you're going as far as considering undergoing such a major surgery. Great argument.
Your comparing me like were at the same height. I would need to lengthen a grueling 3 inches which is not easy even with internals and best doc just to be your height. I dont exactly tower over anyone besides women in this height. And it is a big difrence because Id go from barely avg to slightly above and with lifts instead of a second surgery Ill be at 6 1 which I consider the perfect height which you might get to naturally.
-
It's childish because you CAN'T get to a height considered "tall" without either ruining your body proportions, risking getting post-surgery complications, impairing your motor ability or your athletic ability. You're only trying to convince yourself that to not feel terrible about the fact that you won't be close to that height even after having your legs surgically snapped in f*cking half. Wake up. You're lying to yourself. There's nothing childish about wanting to be 6'3" if the logistics are there. Just because I have different goals than you, doesn't mean mine are any less justified or worthwhile. If anything, I'm probably getting more out of this surgery. Stop being so fking bitter.
Just a thing, dont you think being over 6 2" looks abnormal?? For me yes. Even I magically could be 7" I better stay like this.
-
It's childish because you CAN'T get to a height considered "tall" without either ruining your body proportions, risking getting post-surgery complications, impairing your motor ability or your athletic ability. You're only trying to convince yourself that to not feel terrible about the fact that you won't be close to that height even after having your legs surgically snapped in f*cking half. Wake up. You're lying to yourself. There's nothing childish about wanting to be 6'3" if the logistics are there. Just because I have different goals than you, doesn't mean mine are any less justified or worthwhile. If anything, I'm probably getting more out of this surgery. Stop being so fking bitter.
Child, speak with respect like most of us speak to you.
You talk to much older and wiser men than you who some of them like me have already done this surgery and know what they are talking about and not some teens who don't know what they like about themselves and came in a forum to discuss a so hard surgery while they live in a country where the average men are shorter than the west and also you are way above averagen
And no, 6.4 is better than 6-6.1 for you, not for everyone and not even for the majority.
Most 6.4 men look disproportionate and skinny and for no reason this height isn't more aesthetic than a 6ft body which is the upper limit when you can have good muscles and look tall and proportional at the same time.
Even Momoa you mentioned looks masculine due to his face. His body is ectomorph and with huge struggle in gyms he looks built, not even muscularar.
So speak at least with respect and keep in mind that your opinion is completely personal and yhe majority completely disagree with it or go to anold forum to talk about something else you don't like in your appearance and come back here when you grow up and be at least adult.
-
It's childish because you CAN'T get to a height considered "tall" without either ruining your body proportions, risking getting post-surgery complications, impairing your motor ability or your athletic ability. You're only trying to convince yourself that to not feel terrible about the fact that you won't be close to that height even after having your legs surgically snapped in f*cking half. Wake up. You're lying to yourself. There's nothing childish about wanting to be 6'3" if the logistics are there. Just because I have different goals than you, doesn't mean mine are any less justified or worthwhile. If anything, I'm probably getting more out of this surgery. Stop being so fking bitter.
Stop being so fking bitter.
Oh the irony
-
I've never had any disadvantage in life exclusively because of my height, neither was I ever a victim of prejudice because of my height.
who cares what your starting point is? I'm going from tall, to really tall. You're going from short, to average. It seems to me like it's pretty equal in terms of weighing out the pros and cons.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/73/739a02666a10199aca9e14055b5e6a3767987e64b77eb6e9b3cde1c9052102b8.jpg)
-
This person is a troll, ignore him and he'll go away. Yawn.
-
No, I think you should lengthen 10CM. At 6'4, you'll feel beta standing next to 6'6 dudes. If you feel inadequate still, I suggest you go for another 10CM, and by then, you can potentially play for the NBA.
-
No, I think you should lengthen 10CM. At 6'4, you'll feel beta standing next to 6'6 dudes. If you feel inadequate still, I suggest you go for another 10CM, and by then, you can potentially play for the NBA.
More like for the Paralympics basketball league. :P :D ;)