Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: ramaka on June 10, 2017, 11:17:14 PM
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Hi there guys i know that this will be quite annoying to some people but i am simply not happy at my current height and if i ever was able to get my legs lengthened i would based on opinions.
i did a mock up of what i would look like with LL surgery and i have come up with what you will see in the photos my current height is 179CM 5'10.5 and i would love to be able to get to 6'2 or even 6'0.
what i am concerned about is my proportions and how i would look with LL surgery.
here is my current stats
height 179cm 5'10.5
wingspan 180cm 5'11
sitting height 93cm
I know that a lot of people will be annoyed and say 5'10 is good height and just above average, but if you are unhappy surely you have every right to change it like look at some people who get their lips, breast and butt enlarged for their image and no one really cares so why should they with Height increasing surgery.
what do you think?
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where are the pics?
How old are you?
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it keeps saying an error occurred
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file:///C:/Users/Michael/Pictures/height%20proportions%202.jpg
here are the photos hope this worked
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You can't put a link of your C drive on the internet and expect it to work...
There is a guide how to post pics here.
How old are you though?
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i'm 21 years old buddy
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You can't put a link of your C drive on the internet and expect it to work
LMFAO! TIBIKE you kill me!
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http://imgur.com/o6HhHdw
this should work now lol
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both pics look good
Start hitting the gym.
If after a year of good lifting regiment you are still insecure about your height do LL. First maximize what you have. If that's still not enough for you, go do LL
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so i would still look pretty good at 6'2 at most you and knowing that some people have a smaller wingspan then height isn't to bad then
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You have a really long torso which is good.
I really advise you to start hitting the gym. You have a swimmer-body type. If you will fill it up with some muscle you will be amazed of how much you will gain.
I have the same body type as you but I am 8cm shorter and still, I get a lot of comments about how big I look. It has gotten much better after I started lifting.
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just lift as heavy as possible then?
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just lift as heavy as possible then?
Depends what you like.
I like powerlifting so I lift heavy (160kg high bar squat, 190kg deadlift etc..).
I would advise on any program that has squat, deadlift, bench and overhead press.
You can try stronglifts 5X5 to gain strength for a couple of months. Afterwords you can go to a normal AB bro-split or continue with powerbuilng programs (fusion of powerlifting and bodybuilding) like the 5/3/1 mixed with BBB or somlov junior for bench and squat.
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no problem buddy thanks for the info and help on the matter :D
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just another thing on this what would be the best option for amount increased like to get 6'2 should i go like 5cm in both femurs and thibia just curious
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Best is 5cm each but you can go for 6/4 or even 7/3 (they highier number being femur).
But almost no one does 2 surgeries because of cost and logistics.
Also, have you tried lifts? Try them if not. Get a 1 inch insole and see if that makes any difference to you. You will be amazed how much of a difference 1 inch does to your POV (I was amazed).
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hi sorry for the late reply but what would you say would be the best to do the only reason i say 5 cm in each is because then my legs won't look incredibly odd they will have the same difference in length that they've always had just a little longer.
i would use lift but i normally wear running shoes like nike roshe runs and so on so the lift would make me come flying out of the shoe lol.
also how long would the recovery time be and why is it you have to wait to do the 2nd surgery sorry just really new to the whole surgery part of this been reading about it for quite some time.
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I don't think the combined time plus cost of two surgeries would be worth it just for proportions. We're talking around 2 years and $150k+ (for a good, stateside doctor) of your life and money gone here.
If you want my advice, do what I'm doing and call it a day. You could even do less than I'm doing if you want. I'm a little shorter than you, but when I'm done I'll finally be the glorious 6 ft. I'm currently going through LL in my femurs, I plan to get at least 7.5cm out of it and be done with it forever. According to what the surgeon has said, I'll be able to walk sometime in late August/early September and be back to my athletic abilities by November. After that, I'm calling the journey complete and you should look into doing the same.
My diary can be found in Patients Experience section if you have any questions, good luck making your decision.
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the only reason i was talking about 2 surgeries was because i didn't want it to be super noticeable to have longer upper legs then bottom you see. i mean what would be the best option if i had one surgery of lengthening amount in the femurs to get close to 6'0 or 6,1 6,2 etc also if you don't mind could you let me know what your height was before you started LL surgery.
also what did you do the prepare for LL and what was the clinic/Dr you are doing it with again only if you don't mind thanks and again sorry for the late reply.
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the only reason i was talking about 2 surgeries was because i didn't want it to be super noticeable to have longer upper legs then bottom you see. i mean what would be the best option if i had one surgery of lengthening amount in the femurs to get close to 6'0 or 6,1 6,2 etc also if you don't mind could you let me know what your height was before you started LL surgery.
also what did you do the prepare for LL and what was the clinic/Dr you are doing it with again only if you don't mind thanks and again sorry for the late reply.
No worries. That's a smart way of thinking, but honestly it's really not as noticeable as you'd think. Most people already have longer femurs anyways, so really it'll just be even longer but it's still not very noticeable especially when you wear clothes. When you're not wearing clothes though, is the girl you're with really gonna be studying your proportions lol?
So yeah, I'd definitely recommend you to just do one internal femurs surgery and get somewhere between 5cm - 6.5cm. That'll only be 2 months and some change, and you'll be anywhere from 6'0.5 - 6'1 which would be very great for you. My starting height was slightly below 5'9, like 5'8.75. All your other questions can be answered by finding my diary, I'd highly suggest you read it. It's still ongoing.
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no problem thanks for the information and yeah lol the girl will have other things on her mind haha
and i will defo be having a look at your diary all the best of luck with your LL surgery hope all goes well and you feel great after words with your new height XD
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no problem thanks for the information and yeah lol the girl will have other things on her mind haha
and i will defo be having a look at your diary all the best of luck with your LL surgery hope all goes well and you feel great after words with your new height XD
You're welcome. Man I wish I had your starting height, don't get me wrong I'm happy I'll get to be 6 ft after this is done but that'd be awesome to be able to get there without having to do the full 8cm like I'm doing. The less amount you do the better as far as time and safety is concerned lol, some people like to get the full 8cm or at least 7.5cm but for people who are taller than 5'9 I don't personally think it's necessary. But yeah, definitely read my diary and feel free to ask any questions, I will happily answer them on there.
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no problem bro will do yeah i know it is a little odd over 5'9 wanting to be taller but i think it is more of a mental thing where the brain is basically saying no you were supposed to be taller and that to me is why i think it is necessary but yeah i also heard the taller you are the better it is with the recovery time for example you getting the full 8 cm to get to 6,0 will probably take longer to recovery then someone going like 5 cm to get to the same height but either way you'll get your desired height in the end my friend so all i can really say is best of luck and hope all goes well :)
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no problem bro will do yeah i know it is a little odd over 5'9 wanting to be taller but i think it is more of a mental thing where the brain is basically saying no you were supposed to be taller and that to me is why i think it is necessary but yeah i also heard the taller you are the better it is with the recovery time for example you getting the full 8 cm to get to 6,0 will probably take longer to recovery then someone going like 5 cm to get to the same height but either way you'll get your desired height in the end my friend so all i can really say is best of luck and hope all goes well :)
Oh no man I meant people over 5'9 don't need to do the full 8cm since they're taller haha, yeah we're basically saying the same thing just in different ways. I definitely feel the "supposed to be taller" thing, I think any height can feel that depending on who they're around. And yeah what you said is definitely true, which is a huge reason why I'm recommending you don't do as much as I am since you're taller than me already.
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You have a really long torso which is good.
I really advise you to start hitting the gym. You have a swimmer-body type. If you will fill it up with some muscle you will be amazed of how much you will gain.
I have the same body type as you but I am 8cm shorter and still, I get a lot of comments about how big I look. It has gotten much better after I started lifting.
No you don't bro at 5'7 you cannot be big period. I'm not trying to hate but I have worked out for years and it does not work for men unless they are average height or above, and these averages vary based on area.
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No you don't bro at 5'7 you cannot be big period. I'm not trying to hate but I have worked out for years and it does not work for men unless they are average height or above, and these averages vary based on area.
How much do you squat, Bench, Deadlift and overhead press? How many pullups can you do?
And you are really talking bull . Seems like you are simply a troll or a schizofrenic
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No you don't bro at 5'7 you cannot be big period. I'm not trying to hate but I have worked out for years and it does not work for men unless they are average height or above, and these averages vary based on area.
Above 5.7 you can be big.
Most of the best bbers are about that height (Green is 5.8, Warren is 5.7, D. Jackson 5.6 etc) and they are huge although less than average or even short.
So don't be nihilist. At your height (which is 1 inch less mine so about the same) you have a drawback but you are not doomed. A built body is much important on this height and yes you can be big. In my work which is full of 5.11+ people most of them praise my muscles and how big I am.
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Above 5.7 you can be big.
Most of the best bbers are about that height (Green is 5.8, Warren is 5.7, D. Jackson 5.6 etc) and they are huge although less than average or even short.
So don't be nihilist. At your height (which is 1 inch less mine so about the same) you have a drawback but you are not doomed. A built body is much important on this height and yes you can be big. In my work which is full of 5.11+ people most of them praise my muscles and how big I am.
It depends on the area; I am sure a 5'7-5'8 can be considered big next to some guys but next to athletes probably not. Since you are 5'9 though you are considered big everywhere.
(http://beastmotivation.com/file/2014/12/Branch-Warren.jpg)
But we both agree that 5'10-5'11 is the cutoff where height no longer matters.
Honestly unless you are into bodybuilding, bodybuilding physiques are not attractive to women. This is what they like.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/e0/fd/25e0fd6f666e5781783a797007b9e91d.jpg)
Height should be 6'-6'2.
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How much do you squat, Bench, Deadlift and overhead press? How many pullups can you do?
And you are really talking bullcrap. Seems like you are simply a troll or a schizofrenic
Look bro I can squat 365 for 5 reps and I deadlift 405 for 5 reps. For overhead press I do 185 by 5. Pull ups aren't that great though I can only manage 10 for a set of 3.
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It depends on the area; I am sure a 5'7-5'8 can be considered big next to some guys but next to athletes probably not. Since you are 5'9 though you are considered big everywhere.
(http://beastmotivation.com/file/2014/12/Branch-Warren.jpg)
But we both agree that 5'10-5'11 is the cutoff where height no longer matters.
Honestly unless you are into bodybuilding, bodybuilding physiques are not attractive to women. This is what they like.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/e0/fd/25e0fd6f666e5781783a797007b9e91d.jpg)
Height should be 6'-6'2.
This guy in the pic you posted as being someone women find super attractive is 5'10
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This guy in the pic you posted as being someone women find super attractive is 5'10
Yeah but 5'10 is a good height. We both wear lifts occasionally and be honest at 5'9-5'10 you don't feel short right?
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Yeah but 5'10 is a good height. We both wear lifts occasionally and be honest at 5'9-5'10 you don't feel short right?
Indeed. That's why I find it hard to understand anyone who is 5'9+ and wants to do this.
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Indeed. That's why I find it hard to understand anyone who is 5'9+ and wants to do this.
Well women really care about height 5'10 means that your height is no longer a drawback but 6' is when it starts to become a positive.
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Well women really care about height 5'10 means that your height is no longer a drawback but 6' is when it starts to become a positive.
My life experience has thought me that height is severly overated in this forum. Also the life experience of my friends and collegues.
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My life experience has thought me that height is severly overated in this forum. Also the life experience of my friends and collegues.
It depends on your area bro. In some areas girls are taught to really value height.
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Well women really care about height 5'10 means that your height is no longer a drawback but 6' is when it starts to become a positive.
Kind of have to agree with this tbh. Height definitely is a big deal, but it is just as big of a factor as looks (facial features, smile etc), body (muscles), wealth, and others. And in my experience it appears to be..
Under 5'9: Negative, with every inch below 5'9 being worse and worse. 5'7 and 5'8 aren't too bad though, as long as it's taller than the girls.
5'9-5'11: Mostly neutral, you don't lose points but you don't gain them either, though the taller you are here still the better in comparison to others in the average category
6'0-6'2: Your height is now a positive feature that gives you points, and being "tall" defines you in your description
6'3+: Mostly positive, however the points give diminishing returns after 6'2, and can even become negative passed 6'5 as you start to enter "freak" territory (if you're not a pro athlete of course)
So yeah. In my opinion height, just like the other feature I mentioned, is crucial attribute in ones appearance and the more points you have in it the less you can have in other areas, meaning shorter guys have to make up for the "negative" points by being extra positive in other things. Though it'd be nice to be tall and have positive points, I personally think being in the "neutral" category is great because height isn't as important as other things like personality and confidence, but by being in the neutral you won't be held back by it at all.
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I guess all the girls that dated me before I started lifting were not programed according to how you guys see they should be (or maybe there is some kind of extreme height fetish in the states who knows.. In canada there isn't since I was able to score there via tinder no problem).
I am a mere 5'7 and not only I didn't have any problem with women (staying single single usually no more than a month) a few chicks even cheated on their taller BFs with me.
Height is overly exaggerated here in it's importance.
It is important don't get me wrong but it's not a deal breaker if you are taller than the girl.
And about where it starts to get worse and worse, my current and ex GFs both told me that I am on the lower end of normal height and a "minimum" for a guy is to be 170cm
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Nah man, if you're only 5'7 it just means you're a beast in other areas. And if they chose you over the taller guys than that means you were probably better looking, had a better personality, or other things over them and possibly all of those combined. Imagine how great you'd be at 5'10+!
And I definitely agree about the taller than the girl part. I still think my ranges are accurate, but the points are severely higher or lower based on whether or not you're taller than the girl in question.
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Nah man, if you're only 5'7 it just means you're a beast in other areas. And if they chose you over the taller guys than that means you were probably better looking, had a better personality, or other things over them and possibly all of those combined. Imagine how great you'd be at 5'10+!
And I definitely agree about the taller than the girl part. I still think my ranges are accurate, but the points are severely higher or lower based on whether or not you're taller than the girl in question.
I am never going to be 5'10+ since I intend on a max of 6cm which will put me at max at 5'9.7
Reasons being the fact that I don't believe in the advantages of height as they are portraid here and (2) I am very proportion aware
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It depends on area man I keep saying this. I have been measured numerous times at 5'8 yet I am still extremely short and it is not in my head. The conclusion I can arrive to after this is just that it all depends on area.
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I am never going to be 5'10+ since I intend on a max of 6cm which will put me at max at 5'9.7
Reasons being the fact that I don't believe in the advantages of height as they are portraid here and (2) I am very proportion aware
If you don't believe in the advantage of height then don't do this surgery. It is only for the really motivated ones who truly believe that height is very important and that could change their lives a lot.
Personally I don't know any 5.7 to have plenty gfs and the most successful 5.9 I know in dating is me and I don't find it as easy as you say.
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In 5.7 you must be excellent in everything else and still many women will reject you for your heigbt only, so I really can't believe how you are so good at dating as you say.
Maybe it is simply luck because as I mentioned before, 2 of my 3 best looking gf's I ever had were with me before LL but I won't say I was a pussy magnet but simply lucky and knew how big disadvantage was my 5.65 height.
So if you thing that the importance of height is exaggerated don't do LL.
Personally, even I am about 5.9 now, I think that still my height is not good enough so as not to be a drawback in my appearance.
If I was a solid 5.10 then it wouldn't have been a drawback and from a solid 5.11 and more it wpuld have been a positive.
But at 5.9 it is not and 5.7 is 2 inches less so it is a much bigger disadvantage and the last border between average short and short men. So even if you are lucky or excellent in anything else.
But that doesn't mean that the height is not important. On the contrast, it is the most important trait in a man, even more than a good face.
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I highly disagree with you.
My main motivation is not to be the shortest man in the family
. I dont know what kind of women you meet, but the situation at 5'7 isnt that tragic
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It depends on area man I keep saying this. I have been measured numerous times at 5'8 yet I am still extremely short and it is not in my head. The conclusion I can arrive to after this is just that it all depends on area.
In which city in the states do you live?
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I am never going to be 5'10+ since I intend on a max of 6cm which will put me at max at 5'9.7
Reasons being the fact that I don't believe in the advantages of height as they are portraid here and (2) I am very proportion aware
Honestly that's extremely weird to limit yourself like that, at least go for 6.5cm to get to an actual 5'10. I promise you, you'll end up with the same function from only doing .5cm more and that's not even going to be noticeable in your proportions. By the way, if you're 5'7 and you do 6cm you'll only be slightly above 5'9, you won't be close to 5'10 unless you do 7cm+.
But yeah, it sounds to me like you should just forget about this surgery anyways. Though gaining over 5cm from this surgery would be worth it imo, if you really don't value height that much and also value proportions so much then why even risk it? I definitely don't mean this offensively, but if you're not 110% committed to this surgery and don't truly want it bad enough, I'd suggest not doing it period.
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Honestly that's extremely weird to limit yourself like that, at least go for 6.5cm to get to an actual 5'10. I promise you, you'll end up with the same function from only doing .5cm more and that's not even going to be noticeable in your proportions. By the way, if you're 5'7 and you do 6cm you'll only be slightly above 5'9, you won't be close to 5'10 unless you do 7cm+.
But yeah, it sounds to me like you should just forget about this surgery anyways. Though gaining over 5cm from this surgery would be worth it imo, if you really don't value height that much and also value proportions so much then why even risk it? I definitely don't mean this offensively, but if you're not 110% committed to this surgery and don't truly want it bad enough, I'd suggest not doing it period.
I am 171cm. It is actually 5'7.5.
Btw, I find it funny how in your diary you were speaking about being surrounded by tall athletes as being the number 1 reason why you do this (and also not mentioning attraction with women at all) and now all of a sudden, if I don't want to commit myself 100% in order to get pussy, you find it not enough of a commintment to do LL.
Not being aggressive, just finding it kinda wierd and funny.
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I would never recommend over 5cm because of the complications suffered by numerous individuals after that amount. Although there are major complications that can occur during lengthening even at a small amount, the chance of these complications occurring increases exponentially past 5cm. This football player had 2 inches done and plans to return to the field. Any result less than that is not acceptable because women look at functionality and physique as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZfAOFyR9k
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I would never recommend over 5cm because of the complications suffered by numerous individuals after that amount. Although there are major complications that can occur during lengthening even at a small amount, the chance of these complications occurring increases exponentially past 5cm. This football player had 2 inches done and plans to return to the field. Any result less than that is not acceptable for cosmetic purposes because women look at functionality and physique as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZfAOFyR9k
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I would never recommend over 5cm because of the complications suffered by numerous individuals after that amount. Although there are major complications that can occur during lengthening even at a small amount, the chance of these complications occurring increases exponentially past 5cm. This football player had 2 inches done and plans to return to the field. Any result less than that is not acceptable because women look at functionality and physique as well.
Good point about functionality and physique as well.
I tried 1inch insoles and I was at shock at how much of a difference they made for me. That's why I decided to do a max of 6cm (when the time comes) because believe it or not, people do notice proportions on other people (I have heard numerous times how a married friend of mine is getting mocked behind the back by women because he suffers from a very slight duck ass.. The fact that he is 6'1 doesn't change the fact that no girls are finding him attractive because of it and even his wife is below par in the looks department.. Or how women and men say "wow this guy/girl has super short/long legs, super short/long arms... You name it) and it is something you should take into account.. Hell, even sibirsky told here that people do notice his long post op tibias.
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I am 171cm. It is actually 5'7.5.
Btw, I find it funny how in your diary you were speaking about being surrounded by tall athletes as being the number 1 reason why you do this (and also not mentioning attraction with women at all) and now all of a sudden, if I don't want to commit myself 100% in order to get pussy, you find it not enough of a commintment to do LL.
Not being aggressive, just finding it kinda wierd and funny.
In that case your measurements are accurate then.
No where did I say that was the number one reason, I just mentioned that so people would understand why I thought 5'9 was short, because if I hadn't been around athletes I might not have thought it was.
I didn't mention anything about women because I never had any problems with my height and women at 5'9 lol. 5'9 is in my own neutral range after all.
But what do you mean about the "commit myself 100% in order to get pussy" part? I'm honestly really confused. Are you saying that it's your number reason? Because if it is that's fine, though judging by what you've said about your experience with females I wouldn't think it would be. But anyone can have any reason for doing LL, what I'm saying is that if you're not 110% committed to achieving height, for whatever reason you have, then I wouldn't go through with the surgery because I can tell you as someone who's actually doing it that it's extremely difficult and will take a lot of your time and money away from you. And the reason I said that to you was because it seemed like you really didn't think it was that important, so that would give me the impression you're only like 70% committed or lower which isn't a good way to go in my opinion.
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I would never recommend over 5cm because of the complications suffered by numerous individuals after that amount. Although there are major complications that can occur during lengthening even at a small amount, the chance of these complications occurring increases exponentially past 5cm. This football player had 2 inches done and plans to return to the field. Any result less than that is not acceptable because women look at functionality and physique as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZfAOFyR9k
Okay, I think you're really being too conservative on your 5cm limit here. I'll tell you why.
First off, the player in that video actually did 2.5 inches not 2, which is 6.25 cm already, passed your limit of 5cm.
Second, he had a leg discrepancy that was fixed, which is totally different from getting 2.5 inches added to an already fully normal leg. In his case he was correcting a deformity, but in our case we are stretching our soft tissues and throwing off our body's natural proportions. I'm not saying that going back to sports after 5cm isn't possible (in fact, my surgeon says even after doing 8cm I'll be good to go in 6 months post op), but you have to understand that he'll have a much easier time since his was only a correction rather than an addition.
Finally, don't get the wrong idea here, 5cm is DEFINITELY a safe limit. I mean this as in pretty much any decent LL candidate can achieve 5cm and have little to no complications afterwards. However, being A safe limit is not the same as being THE safe limit. "The" safe limit is defined on an individual basis, meaning that the safe limit for one person might only be 5cm like you said but a younger, healthier candidate like myself might have the safe limit of 8cm or more.
So yes, while recommending 5cm is definitely an sure way to go, truthfully an individual should shoot for any height not in excess of 7.5-8cm max and really just see how they feel during the lengthening, stopping at whatever height they feel they should stop at. Though it is true that the more cm you lengthen the longer it takes to recover, any amount not over 3 inches in one segment can be recovered from eventually with proper PT.
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In that case your measurements are accurate then.
No where did I say that was the number one reason, I just mentioned that so people would understand why I thought 5'9 was short, because if I hadn't been around athletes I might not have thought it was.
I didn't mention anything about women because I never had any problems with my height and women at 5'9 lol. 5'9 is in my own neutral range after all.
But what do you mean about the "commit myself 100% in order to get pussy" part? I'm honestly really confused. Are you saying that it's your number reason? Because if it is that's fine, though judging by what you've said about your experience with females I wouldn't think it would be. But anyone can have any reason for doing LL, what I'm saying is that if you're not 110% committed to achieving height, for whatever reason you have, then I wouldn't go through with the surgery because I can tell you as someone who's actually doing it that it's extremely difficult and will take a lot of your time and money away from you. And the reason I said that to you was because it seemed like you really didn't think it was that important, so that would give me the impression you're only like 70% committed or lower which isn't a good way to go in my opinion.
Maybe I wrote it bad but I responded to bodybuilder by saying that my number 1 reason to do this is in order to be average height of my family which happens to be the average height of my home country.
He believes that if I don't believe that my height is such a severe drawback in dating then it means I cannot be 100% commited to this surgery.
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Maybe I wrote it bad but I responded to bodybuilder by saying that my number 1 reason to do this is in order to be average height of my family which happens to be the average height of my home country.
He believes that if I don't believe that my height is such a severe drawback in dating then it means I cannot be 100% commited to this surgery.
Oh I see what you're saying now. If that's the reason you want to do it I think that's perfectly fine, as long as you make sure that your reason is truly worth going through the surgery enough to push you through it.
Though body builder was kind of being aggressive, he's really just trying to help you and others to not get yourself into something so difficult that you have major complications and end up having to go through things you didn't sign up for. He wasn't really saying you're not committed if it's not for dating, the subject was just about dating and females at the time and since you didn't see the advantages of height in those areas, it gave him the impression that you don't see the advantage of height at all.
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It's because I don't like to be categorized as someone who has a severe handicap. Again, I am well aware that a taller version of me will be more attractive. But still, the current 5'7.5 version of me is nowhere near this tragic reality of impossibility of getting girls.
In regards to dating/hookups/relationships, it is hard for the majority of guys. Women don't like just height or just face or just character.
I read a few years ago a good analysis of how you should look at it.
You start at 100/100 points. afterwards for each defect you lose points. These defects can be practically anything from height to looks to character to even what kind of perfume you use or shoes you wear. Simply being taller means that I will lose less points but it will not change someone from a complete loser with regarding to females to a pussy-slayer (only when the guy is like 5'5 or something in which height is really a major drawback for him) because height in regards to dating is just height.
Heck, even you say that at 5'9 you basically had no problems at all. And I believe you because I see it as well around me. Guys 5'7, 5'8 and 5'9 who are also good looking and fun having no problem at all attracting women.
Women are not pokemon... You can never catch'em all
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Yeah, we're basically on the same page here. I agree with your 100 point system, taller being better and shorter being worse (more points lost), and also agree that an ugly, unconfident awkward person at 5'7 will still be the same ugly, unconfident awkward person at 5'10. Though being 5'10 compared to 5'7 might get him noticed a bit more, as soon as women see those bad traits about him his height will no longer matter and he might as well have been short.
However if you're a great guy, like I'm assuming you are from your description, I think an increased height would help you that much more. Like if a female could choose you or a clone of you, exactly the same in every aspect except taller, they'd probably choose the taller one cause why not? But they'd probably still choose a great 5'7 guy over the 5'10 guy mentioned earlier, because the 5'7 guy just has way more points ;) (http://;))
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5'7-5'10 is a huge difference man you just can't underestimate this difference. Without lifts I don't get approached in bars at all at 5'8 but with lifts a lot of girls approach me at the bar (no joke). This is why I am getting surgery the 2-3 inches really make a difference when you are going from short to average. This fact cannot be understated.
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5'7-5'10 is a huge difference man you just can't underestimate this difference. Without lifts I don't get approached in bars at all at 5'8 but with lifts a lot of girls approach me at the bar (no joke). This is why I am getting surgery the 2-3 inches really make a difference when you are going from short to average. This fact cannot be understated.
You are full of contradictions.. First you say no girl pisses at your direction and now you say that girls hit on you non stop? Make up your mind
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Yeah, we're basically on the same page here. I agree with your 100 point system, taller being better and shorter being worse (more points lost), and also agree that an ugly, unconfident awkward person at 5'7 will still be the same ugly, unconfident awkward person at 5'10. Though being 5'10 compared to 5'7 might get him noticed a bit more, as soon as women see those bad traits about him his height will no longer matter and he might as well have been short.
However if you're a great guy, like I'm assuming you are from your description, I think an increased height would help you that much more. Like if a female could choose you or a clone of you, exactly the same in every aspect except taller, they'd probably choose the taller one cause why not? But they'd probably still choose a great 5'7 guy over the 5'10 guy mentioned earlier, because the 5'7 guy just has way more points ;) (http://;))
I forgot to say that I also wish to do 6cm max because I will always need to wear boots or atleast shoes who go above the ankle when I go outside of the house because I have severe flat-feet so I must have a corrective insole and putting it on a flat shoe is uncomfortable as hell.
So doing like 6cm max and still walking with a blandstone boot will not put me out of proportions.
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You are full of contradictions.. First you say no girl pisses at your direction and now you say that girls hit on you non stop? Make up your mind
I never said that they hit on me non stop. At the bar with lifts I do well with women, without them I am invisible. Also I don't do well on tinder for some reason. That's all I am saying there are no contradictions here.
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I never said that they hit on me non stop. At the bar with lifts I do well with women, without them I am invisible. Also I don't do well on tinder for some reason. That's all I am saying there are no contradictions here.
So just wear the lifts everyday all day long. So why are you so miserable if you do have success with women? did you have sex with the women who hit on you in the bars?
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So just wear the lifts everyday all day long. So why are you so miserable if you do have success with women? did you have sxx with the women who hit on you in the bars?
Yes but they are visibly disappointed when I take off my shoes. I already wear lifts whenever I go out but I can't wear them for sports. You need to be perfect for women these days it's silly.
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I forgot to say that I also wish to do 6cm max because I will always need to wear boots or atleast shoes who go above the ankle when I go outside of the house because I have severe flat-feet so I must have a corrective insole and putting it on a flat shoe is uncomfortable as hell.
So doing like 6cm max and still walking with a blandstone boot will not put me out of proportions.
Oh okay, makes a lot of sense.
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Yes but they are visibly disappointed when I take off my shoes. I already wear lifts whenever I go out but I can't wear them for sports. You need to be perfect for women these days it's silly.
In what situations did you have to remove your shoes? I've had entire relationships with lifts, I only took them off when I'm in bed and by that moment it doesn't matter any longer... ;D
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In what situations did you have to remove your shoes? I've had entire relationships with lifts, I only took them off when I'm in bed and by that moment it doesn't matter any longer... ;D
Well when you walk into someone's house you take your shoes off at the door right? At least that's what I've experienced in most houses/apartments.
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Not in my side of the world (South America). Nor in Italy.
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like it said earlier i think it is more of a mental thing with me wanting to be taller only good thing is now it can actually happen thanks to LL surgery but my biggest concern would be my arm span as i've been told i have a long torso my armspan is 180-181cm so would it be very noticeable to have a arm span 3 inches shorter then height.
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What is this topic doing here? It should be moved to the Proportions forum.
Hey admins / moderators!
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both pics look good
Start hitting the gym.
If after a year of good lifting regiment you are still insecure about your height do LL. First maximize what you have. If that's still not enough for you, go do LL
Nowhere in the world is 179 considered short, not even in Holland, where I live.. So my advice to you is: don't do LL. This is a very dangerous operation and can cost you your legs or even your life! You only do CLL as a last resort. Only if you are way below average and you really, really, really, really suffer from being short. At your age you should indeed start with working out, dress nice, finish a decent education, get some therapy and find/get/start a relationship. If after all this and after a few years you still have a strong urge to break your legs for cosmetic reasons than do so..
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im 179 cm too bro.
looking at your mocks, you will look best at 183-185 cm
good luck!
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im 179 cm too bro.
looking at your mocks, you will look best at 183-185 cm
good luck!
Yea true plus it would actually be a lot better for my proportions and would also require less cm to get to that height let’s be honest 6’0-6’1 is still pretty sweet
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I’ve just realised my mock ups are wrong and done vary badly example I’m 178 5’10 so my eye level is roughly 168-169 if you look at the 6’2 mock up my eye level is just above the chest which would put the height of that mock up around 6’5 or 6’4 not 6’2 lol
The 183 or 6’0 mock up is more then likely pretty close to the 6’2 mark based on eye level think about it my cousin for example is 6’3 in the button and my eye level is at his chin which mean if I’m at 6’2 then my eye level would roughly be just under the mouth so yea the 6’2 or 188 mock up will look bad a lot because it’s not 6’2 it’s more like 6’4-6’5 😝
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I’ve just realised my mock ups are wrong and done vary badly example I’m 178 5’10 so my eye level is roughly 168-169 if you look at the 6’2 mock up my eye level is just above the chest which would put the height of that mock up around 6’5 or 6’4 not 6’2 lol
The 183 or 6’0 mock up is more then likely pretty close to the 6’2 mark based on eye level think about it my cousin for example is 6’3 in the button and my eye level is at his chin which mean if I’m at 6’2 then my eye level would roughly be just under the mouth so yea the 6’2 or 188 mock up will look bad a lot because it’s not 6’2 it’s more like 6’4-6’5 😝
Good observation not a lot of people take the eye level into account when doing their mock ups and it can actually help out to know it. But seriously though the 183 mock up is definitely nearer to the 6’2 mark especially if your 5’10-ish there’s no way that was 2 inches personally I still think it’s wrong I think it’s probably more on the 6’3 mark although considering that your goal is 6’2 and the mock up of what you thought was 6’0 (183) doesn’t actually look terrible I’d say proportionally you’d still look ok with the lengthening your after best of luck
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I too am 179/180cm depending on the time of day. Honestly if I didn't feel short I wouldn't be on this forum, it's cos where I live in Australia there are so many 183s-185 cm males. I am 18 atm, really wish I had 2 or 3 cms more.
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I too am 179/180cm depending on the time of day. Honestly if I didn't feel short I wouldn't be on this forum, it's cos where I live in Australia there are so many 183s-185 cm males. I am 18 atm, really wish I had 2 or 3 cms more.
Bro honestly I’m in the same boat I live with 3 brothers who are around 6’2-6’5 it sucks aswell when your sisters are reasonably tall for girls 5’8 and 5’9 but yea like I said I made a mistake with the mock ups and it looked bad the 188 mock up is probably around 6’4-6’5 and the 183 is probably like 6’3 or just under it and personally since I’d like to get to 188 6’2 I actually don’t think it looks that bad at all 😁
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Bro honestly I’m in the same boat I live with 3 brothers who are around 6’2-6’5 it sucks aswell when your sisters are reasonably tall for girls 5’8 and 5’9 but yea like I said I made a mistake with the mock ups and it looked bad the 188 mock up is probably around 6’4-6’5 and the 183 is probably like 6’3 or just under it and personally since I’d like to get to 188 6’2 I actually don’t think it looks that bad at all 😁
It really doesn’t look that bad to me personally obviously it’s a little hard to understand what you mean so I’ll clear it up for people however if I’m wrong feel free to correct me.
The original 6’2 (188cm) mock up was actually like 6’5+ so around 195 cm we’ll say
The original 6’0 (183cm) mock up was around like 6’3 maybe 6’3.5 so like 190
Honestly the 6’3 we’ll say doesn’t look that bad but I’d advise you to bulk up quite a bit but I’m assuming this is an old photo so if you bulk up and are only targeting 6’2 (188) it’ll probably look ok sure your arms might be a bit on the shorter side but look at both Henry Cavill and Matthew McConaway more then likely spelt wrong 😆 they’ve noticeable shorter arms and now one pats any attention to it other then the little community on this forum
Also do the eye level thing again and let us know what the accurate eye level was for both these mock ups so you know what the actual height of both of them were.
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I can understand 5'10 isnt particularly tall especially in western countries but ur at the range where u shouldn't go for ll. You are still above average in every country and almost average in the tallest country of the world(netherlands)
You can actually gain 0.5-1 inch by stretching and working out on ur spine and wear some good boots and ul be crossing the 6' mark. And if u still think u want more u can add a 1 inch insole(which isnt even noticeable at all) which will make u stand equal to a 6'1 guy on anyday. If u still want more then i think u have other problems in ur head going on not height. Now I have a friend who is literally a clean 6'2 barefoot and each and everyday he is depressed because he says he is getting towered by guyz 6'4 or 190+ and he feels inferior to them. He hates that feeling and he wont ever stop stressing about it. he is making his own life a misery.
If u think the minuscule chance of sitting in a wheelchair all ur life or the small chance of walking limp for years or decades is worth it then go ahead and break ur bones. It might actually turn out to be alright and u get at u want.
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I can understand 5'10 isnt particularly tall especially in western countries but ur at the range where u shouldn't go for ll. You are still above average in every country and almost average in the tallest country of the world(netherlands)
You can actually gain 0.5-1 inch by stretching and working out on ur spine and wear some good boots and ul be crossing the 6' mark. And if u still think u want more u can add a 1 inch insole(which isnt even noticeable at all) which will make u stand equal to a 6'1 guy on anyday. If u still want more then i think u have other problems in ur head going on not height. Now I have a friend who is literally a clean 6'2 barefoot and each and everyday he is depressed because he says he is getting towered by guyz 6'4 or 190+ and he feels inferior to them. He hates that feeling and he wont ever stop stressing about it. he is making his own life a misery.
If u think the minuscule chance of sitting in a wheelchair all ur life or the small chance of walking limp for years or decades is worth it then go ahead and break ur bones. It might actually turn out to be alright and u get at u want.
This is something I hate seriously so I’m not allowed to do LL because I’m 5’10 but it’s ok for someone 5’7, 5’8, 5’9 etc but because I’m of a certain heights it’s frowned upon there’s people here who are 6’0 and a small fraction who are taller then that, that when they share there information their frowned upon because they would like to be taller.
Tell me something why are you on this forum because you’d like to be taller a bit hypocritical don’t you think even if you are short, many people have a different perspective of what short is for instance like I said I’m from a reasonably tall family yet I only got to be 5’10 which is why I feel short.
Also if people ended up in a wheelchair do you honestly think this forum or surgery would exist yea there’s risks but that’s only if you go extreme on it example appothis was 5’6 and is now 6’2 (20cm) lengthening yet he doesn’t need a wheelchair he’s walking without a problem, sure his running is fked but he lengthened well over the safe limit of 8 cm femurs and 6 cm tibia so what did he expect to be fair.
Really if you stay within the safe limit you should be fine there’s plenty of people on this forum who have lengthened 4 inches and are completely fine now some even say their athletic ability is the same as what it was before.
Also if I was to do it I’d save for the best possible doctors to make sure I have vary little chance of complications.
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No doctor can save u from FE or PE. In just year many ppl have died of FE after this surgery and just in my continent these r the ones only reported. That is a very gruesome death and quite painful one. I am going into this surgery after sorting out matters of my life. I haven't told my closed ones that i might not return (because even a 1% chance of death is misunderstood by ppl) but i am prepared for it as a worse case scenario. Depends on genetics, trauma and mostly ur luck if it happens or not. Sometimes its like 4 ppl from 100 get hit sometimes its just 1. any1 could be the unlucky one.
If u were alrdy thinking having suicidal thoughts before u ever knew about ll even existed then this surgery is strongly recommended for u. If u cant even entertain the slightest idea or possibility of death then it is just plain stupid imo.
p.s i never said dont do it, i only recommended not to and laid out easier options as u were closer to 6 than most where by u could still possibly achieve something very close to ur goal after ll and save u alot of trouble. Som1 who is 5'6 or 5'7 has no other option but to do it not to achieve his goal of 6'1 but to atleast live his life without neurosis. Sure 2 surgeries might get him that. And i have to repeat myself because u dont like reading i said go ahead and do it its a higher probability it all turns out good.
p.s i would like to see a legitimate 6' plus guy who did this surgery with proofs. link it me i would like to read his diary. thanks
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No doctor can save u from FE or PE. In just year many ppl have died of FE after this surgery and just in my continent these r the ones only reported. That is a very gruesome death and quite painful one. I am going into this surgery after sorting out matters of my life. I haven't told my closed ones that i might not return (because even a 1% chance of death is misunderstood by ppl) but i am prepared for it as a worse case scenario. Depends on genetics, trauma and mostly ur luck if it happens or not. Sometimes its like 4 ppl from 100 get hit sometimes its just 1. any1 could be the unlucky one.
If u were alrdy thinking having suicidal thoughts before u ever knew about ll even existed then this surgery is strongly recommended for u. If u cant even entertain the slightest idea or possibility of death then it is just plain stupid imo.
p.s i never said dont do it, i only recommended not to and laid out easier options as u were closer to 6 than most where by u could still possibly achieve something very close to ur goal after ll and save u alot of trouble. Som1 who is 5'6 or 5'7 has no other option but to do it not to achieve his goal of 6'1 but to atleast live his life without neurosis. Sure 2 surgeries might get him that. And i have to repeat myself because u dont like reading i said go ahead and do it its a higher probability it all turns out good.
p.s i would like to see a legitimate 6' plus guy who did this surgery with proofs. link it me i would like to read his diary. thanks
You must understand how it feels tho consistently being told 5’10 is ok don’t do LL it does get to the point where it becomes annoying hearing that all the time I like many people here just wish I was taller and LL is my chance to actually achieve that but I did read what you said and I understand the concerns but knowing 5’10 is an ok height I’d never choose to go to a doctor who is either vary cheap or vary unknown among the LL community because like many say you get what you pay for. I’d only choose paley etc because he’s the leading doctor in LL surgery and has the best success rate
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Sure paley is one of the top ll surgeons but he never guarantees anything. Thats because every surgery is so different and every meat and bone is different and body's reaction to it. Even in paley's pateints in every 250 ppl atleast 4 get FE. But if u are really determined even to the point of accepting any truamatic consequences then this surgery is for u. Not that it will happen but there is always a chance. Sometimes u just get to be the unlucky one. We the ones in the range on 5'4 to 5'7 are already on the verge of suicide. If this surgery didnt exist suicide for us was the only way to exit out honourably.
Thats why we are willing to take the risk with our lives itself. Not much can be worse than this. If u want the answer to if u really want to have this: are u willing to live with any complication all ur life or worse compared to the life u have right now? My answer to this was yes, thats why im going in for it.
If u r not prepared to handle any complication like permanent kneepain for the rest of life, change of legs axis (valgus and varus) or worse death so if it occurs, then who will u blame but urself and the miserable life.
If ur life sucks by all means right now and nothing could make it worse, then go for it. You deserve it! and even if anything happens u wont be hurt by it.