Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: MrHandsome on June 23, 2017, 11:39:04 PM
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Do you guys think that a 2 inch height difference will make a huge improvement in my dating life? I have read on numerous forums that women truly despise short men and do not find them attractive at all despite their efforts.
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Depends where are you living.
But at 5'8 you mostly will get dumped by either very tall girls or the most shallow ones so ye.
Imho LL is never worth it when you do it for women since it won't change you to absolute pussyslayer and you will only end disappointed and bitter that you just burned tons of money and health on pointless surgery.
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Yes, Up to 5 9" you wont see any benefit becuase you are very average or below there, a good height for me starts at 5 10", tears in 3,2,1. 2 inches are a great difference, you have to keep in mind that most of the people lie about their height, they are 5 6" And say 5 8", that is why persons believe that 5 10" is short, well in reddit average is 7', but the real world is a little different.
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Depends where are you living.
But at 5'8 you mostly will get dumped by either very tall girls or the most shallow ones so ye.
Imho LL is never worth it when you do it for women since it won't change you to absolute pussyslayer and you will only end disappointed and bitter that you just burned tons of money and health on pointless surgery.
Honestly I think the shallow ones only go for tall guys but girls with normal standards despise short men but are ok with average height men if that makes sense.
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If at 5'8 you are finding it very hard to date women than you are ugly. an ugly guy who is truely on the somewhat short side of average. After surgery you will be an average height ugly guy. Even if you will make it to 6' you will just be an ugly tall guy.
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If at 5'8 you are finding it very hard to date women than you are ugly. an ugly guy who is truely on the somewhat short side of average. After surgery you will be an average height ugly guy. Even if you will make it to 6' you will just be an ugly tall guy.
I'm not ugly bro I've had this confirmed by numerous people. Girls just don't like short guys, stop coping and deal with it.
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I'm not ugly bro I've had this confirmed by numerous people. Girls just don't like short guys, stop coping and deal with it.
If by coping you mean having no problems to get a girlfriend than yes I am coping.
Confirmed by who? Seems not by women if you have such big troubles getting into their panties
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If by coping you mean having no problems to get a girlfriend than yes I am coping.
Confirmed by who? Seems not by women if you have such big troubles getting into their panties
I get matches on dating websites but they are disappointed when they meet me in real life unfortunately.
Anyway this isn't some contest, I am just trying to establish the well known fact that women don't like short men.
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I get matches on dating websites but they are disappointed when they meet me in real life unfortunately.
Anyway this isn't some contest, I am just trying to establish the well known fact that women don't like short men.
Have you thought about meeting girls IRL?
I have never got the disappointment look.. Are you from a very tall country? Because I am 5'7 and I don't face such a tragic reality
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Have you thought about meeting girls IRL?
I have never got the disappointment look.. Are you from a very tall country? Because I am 5'7 and I don't face such a tragic reality
Yeah people in my area are tall but that doesn't matter the issue is just that I am short. Also I have other issues that I am sorting out.
Women are just plain superficial these days but I like skinny women so I need to meet their standards
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Btw dude, I ran over your post history.
For your own good, forget about this surgery.. You have severe body image disorder (small frame in your opinion, small head (?!), small penis, small hands, HGH defficiency, afterwards it's testosterone defficiency..)
Dude, I bet women can smell you huge insecurities miles away. and you surely give bad vibed because of it.
I am really telling this for your own good and for wanting you to do the right decision. First get rid of this suffering you have imprisioned yourself into. Afterwards, once you feel good with yourself, if you will still be unhappy with your height, do this surgery. Now it will do you no good
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Btw dude, I ran over your post history.
For your own good, forget about this surgery.. You have severe body image disorder (small frame in your opinion, small head (?!), small penis, small hands, HGH defficiency, afterwards it's testosterone defficiency..)
Dude, I bet women can smell you huge insecurities miles away. and you surely give bad vibed because of it.
I am really telling this for your own good and for wanting you to do the right decision. First get rid of this suffering you have imprisioned yourself into. Afterwards, once you feel good with yourself, if you will still be unhappy with your height, do this surgery. Now it will do you no good
I am not doing the surgery now anyway. I'm in school and saving up for it later. Yes women can sure smell the insecurity a mile away however even if I am not insecure I still won't get with them. Why do you think I became insecure in the first place?
Also there is a problem and maybe it might be my looks like you mentioned I can't rule things out.
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I am not doing the surgery now anyway. I'm in school and saving up for it later. Yes women can sure smell the insecurity a mile away however even if I am not insecure I still won't get with them. Why do you think I became insecure in the first place?
Also there is a problem and maybe it might be my looks like you mentioned I can't rule things out.
Why you won't get with them? How many girls you expressed interest in have said to you "no! and it's because you are short/too short for me"?
btw, which country are you from?
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Why you won't get with them? How many girls you expressed interest in have said to you "no! and it's because you are short/too short for me"?
btw, which country are you from?
A lot of girls told me I was too short either directly or indirectly. Plus I also don't like being the shortest guy everywhere. In the US most younger people are tall. I have some other problems I need to sort out too though.
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If at 5'8 you are finding it very hard to date women than you are ugly. an ugly guy who is truely on the somewhat short side of average. After surgery you will be an average height ugly guy. Even if you will make it to 6' you will just be an ugly tall guy.
That's not true. I have many successes with women and many rejects too and my evening height is about 5.85. I have a good face, much better than the average guy, and some big (not huge) muscles but still for many women my height is a drawback that even if they get away with it they still are not completely ok with it.
There are some women too (like my current gf) that don't think that I have any drawback with my height but still the majority of good looking women are not completely ok with a 5.8-5.9 guy and you have to compensate for it with extraordinary good face or a very built body or something else, while above 5.11 (maybe even 5.10) you don't have to compensate for your height at all.
Mrhandsome going from 5.8 to 5.10 will make a good difference and almost no woman will find you short while on 5.8 the majority of women would find you on the shorter side. Not short in general but still not tall enough for them something that it doesn't exist at 5.10. Even there your height will not be a benefit but it will not be a drawback at all too.
At your height, I would push it a little more and go for 2.5 or even 3 inches which are not something too risky for femurs and even in tibias almost anyone could handle 2.5 inches relatively safely, so you would be very close to 5.11 which imo is the border where height stops to matter and starts to become a benefit.
5.10 is a very respectable height but I personally believe that things really change at 5.11.
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That's not true. I have many successes with women and many rejects too and my evening height is about 5.85. I have a good face, much better than the average guy, and some big (not huge) muscles but still for many women my height is a drawback that even if they get away with it they still are not completely ok with it.
There are some women too (like my current gf) that don't think that I have any drawback with my height but still the majority of good looking women are not completely ok with a 5.8-5.9 guy and you have to compensate for it with extraordinary good face or a very built body or something else, while above 5.11 (maybe even 5.10) you don't have to compensate for your height at all.
Mrhandsome going from 5.8 to 5.10 will make a good difference and almost no woman will find you short while on 5.8 the majority of women would find you on the shorter side. Not short in general but still not tall enough for them something that it doesn't exist at 5.10. Even there your height will not be a benefit but it will not be a drawback at all too.
At your height, I would push it a little more and go for 2.5 or even 3 inches which are not something too risky for femurs and even in tibias almost anyone could handle 2.5 inches relatively safely, so you would be very close to 5.11 which imo is the border where height stops to matter and starts to become a benefit.
5.10 is a very respectable height but I personally believe that things really change at 5.11.
Yes 5'11 is where height is no longer an issue however I heard that complications get bad past 5 cm so I will be happy with 5'10 where height is no longer the first thing people notice about me.
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Programdude was 5'8 and has had immense success with women perior to his LL
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Programdude was 5'8 and has had immense success with women perior to his LL
I don't know what programdude did but I am talking from my personal experience and I must confess that I am more successful in dating than almost any men I know who is less than 5.11. But still I am not as successful I would be if I was taller, even a little, than average man which is 5.10,5 in my country.
So if programdude was so successful with women, why he did LL. Personally the only thing that a man at this height lacks is the success in datings that taller men have. If they are so successful on that then they have almost no real reason to do LL as at that height they don't suffer from heightism as they are considered about average and not really short.
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Wear some lifts that are 2 or 3 inches and see how you feel. If you like your height while wearing the lifts then you could do surgery but not before you sort out your other things. IMO a legit 5'10" is a great height. Don't listen to those on the internet who claim 5'10" is short, even with 5'8" your not really short but just below average.
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^I was just about to suggest the lifts. See how well you do with women while wearing the lifts as compared to without them.
I don't know what to say about this issue, actually. I strongly suspect it all depends on what kind of women you go for. I know many guys who say all women care about height and others for whom it's never been a problem. All I can say is that it wasn't a problem for me until I came to university (which was a couple of years post school for me so I've had some experience of "adult life" beforehand). The women are different here to what I'm used to, is all.
Regardless, if your aim is to get surgery, while you're saving up for it try a whole bunch of other things you can improve and try to keep a positive attitude. You might find it's not worth it after all.
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I've seen enough post-menopausal mustaches and fit-to-fat scenarios on women to not care at all what their opinion of the ideal man is. Hit it and quit it is enough and so what if they don't consider me an ideal marriage candidate? lol
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^I was just about to suggest the lifts. See how well you do with women while wearing the lifts as compared to without them.
I don't know what to say about this issue, actually. I strongly suspect it all depends on what kind of women you go for. I know many guys who say all women care about height and others for whom it's never been a problem. All I can say is that it wasn't a problem for me until I came to university (which was a couple of years post school for me so I've had some experience of "adult life" beforehand). The women are different here to what I'm used to, is all.
Regardless, if your aim is to get surgery, while you're saving up for it try a whole bunch of other things you can improve and try to keep a positive attitude. You might find it's not worth it after all.
Yes i am in university and the women here are obsessed with height. Also men in university are taller than average.
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Let me say you one think ,IRL 2 inches difference is nearly nothing ,it doesnt mean it isnt noticible at all but in general thats okay
Girls mostly told me thats you are tall ,guys also ,but everything also depends on your body shape
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Let me say you one think ,IRL 2 inches difference is nearly nothing ,it doesnt mean it isnt noticible at all but in general thats okay
Girls mostly told me thats you are tall ,guys also ,but everything also depends on your body shape
As someone who uses lifts I can say that is further from the truth. I have a huge diffrence in positive attention from women when I started using lifts. In most western countries 5 10 is enough, not the perfect man but only a shallow crazy women would bring up height at that point. Of course 4 inches is better especially at his height as you hit 6 feet which I plan to achieve with lifts after as I dont want to wait years to have for a femur surgery after. So he would see a significant change as many of you complain of the Midwest college towns being to tall but the u.s is not the netherlands, the caucasian women which is the tallest is still 5 4 average height.
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I mean that its not like a head taller or half a head
It's noticeable but very much overestimated
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Women don't despise short men. They don't prefer them. Women despise weak men.
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Women don't despise short men. They don't prefer them. Women despise weak men.
i dont agree. Height is the most important physical thing for woman after facial aesthetics , for some even more.
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Do you guys think that a 2 inch height difference will make a huge improvement in my dating life? I have read on numerous forums that women truly despise short men and do not find them attractive at all despite their efforts.
yes , i think it will make a big diference, in 5´8 you are already in the short range, but 5´10 is average , so you dont have the short handicap any more, except for really tall girls
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Again this... If you are 5'6 and below so yes... You indeed have a problem... But 5'7+? You might not be the perfect male but you surely aren't considered unattractivly short... Just not attractivly tall.
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I think 5,8 is a very good height. You don't need this surgery.
You have another problems but not the height.
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I think 5,8 is a very good height. You don't need this surgery.
You have another problems but not the height.
A height 2 inches less than average (at least in my country) can't be good.
Everything below average, especially by a not tiny amount, can't be good.
So of course someone may be much worse in other traits than 2 inches less than average in height but even then that height is not good. It is not a big problem but it remains a problem, while if someone is 5.10 his height is not a benefit but not a problem too.
From 5.11 and above height starts to become a benefit imo.
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2 inches is a marginal difference. It's about half the length of a forehead, since 4 inches (10 cm) difference mean that the shorter person ends at the taller person's eye level.
2 inches can, however, be a massive difference to your self-perception simply because they can help you cope with your height better. You might still feel short at 5'10'', in many situations, but you can think that you are spot on average height, that you are the same height as Daniel Craig or other "alpha males" who are respected for being manly men. At least these coping mechanisms are what sometimes gets me through my days without wanting to kill myself.
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I have worn lifts and have noticed a huge difference in attention from women.
Honestly women are so superficial that they don't notice your positive traits if you are below a certain height. Under 5'9 is where this happens. I am considering 4-5cms.
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2 inches is a marginal difference. It's about half the length of a forehead, since 4 inches (10 cm) difference mean that the shorter person ends at the taller person's eye level.
2 inches can, however, be a massive difference to your self-perception simply because they can help you cope with your height better. You might still feel short at 5'10'', in many situations, but you can think that you are spot on average height, that you are the same height as Daniel Craig or other "alpha males" who are respected for being manly men. At least these coping mechanisms are what sometimes gets me through my days without wanting to kill myself.
2 inches is a big difference percentile wise but after surgery it is impossible to be an alpha male.
My best bet is to just get rich and get the surgery. Unfortunately my athletic abilities will be compromised
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You should do the surgery and go for 5 cm and then continue to use lifts. You can decide later when your financially more secure if a femur surgery would be worth it. Don't do 4 cm unless you have terrible complications. Something I realized was that with our age we could loose alot of that height gained so its better to go for the most safest amount for tibia. Some might say 6 cm but to me 5 cm would be it.
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The only thing I agree is that % wise, the change between 5'8 to 5'10 is bigger than let's say me going from 5'7 to 5'9. while you jump over 25% of guy I will "only" jump over 20%. Still, the difference between a 5'9 guy and a 5'10 guy is minimal. A big difference is usually seen at 9cm+.
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http://www.celebheights.com/s/Aidan-Turner-47510.html
the difference
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2 inches is a big difference percentile wise but after surgery it is impossible to be an alpha male.
My best bet is to just get rich and get the surgery. Unfortunately my athletic abilities will be compromised
Yes, but the percentile difference is only relevant if you do lab tests or something. You will not feel very tall at 5'10 and not very short at 5'8, because it's only a slight difference.
Why can't you be an alpha male after the surgery?
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Yes, but the percentile difference is only relevant if you do lab tests or something. You will not feel very tall at 5'10 and not very short at 5'8, because it's only a slight difference.
Why can't you be an alpha male after the surgery?
2 - 2.5 inches makes a huge difference. If you increase your height by 2 inches and wear shoes or boots that give you another inch or 2,it works out perfectly.
Something that I have noticed is that it's the long legs that are attractive. If you you have 2 people that are 5'10 and one has the longer legs, the one with the longer legs will appear taller.
Long legs is just aesthetically pleasing
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2 - 2.5 inches makes a huge difference. If you increase your height by 2 inches and wear shoes or boots that give you another inch or 2,it works out perfectly.
Something that I have noticed is that it's the long legs that are attractive. If you you have 2 people that are 5'10 and one has the longer legs, the one with the longer legs will appear taller.
Long legs is just aesthetically pleasing
There is difference between having long legs and looking like dwarf on stilts.
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There is difference between having long legs and looking like dwarf on stilts.
Most people who lengthen only tibias at about 6cm or do both segments at 6-7 cm in each of them look very aesthetically compared to their pre LL looks and to people who are at that height normally because yves is right, longer legs are very aesthetical.
What you said happens only if you have very short torso compared to your feet pre LL or if you lengthen 8-9cm in your femurs only or if you lengthen crazy amounts in bot segments.
For the majority of LL'ers the aesthetic result is very good. There are other problems that come with LL but the aesthetical result is not one of them.
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Yes, but the percentile difference is only relevant if you do lab tests or something. You will not feel very tall at 5'10 and not very short at 5'8, because it's only a slight difference.
Why can't you be an alpha male after the surgery?
You can't be an alpha male after surgery because your athletic abilities are diminished however being a semi crippled average height man is better than being short.
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WTF is an alpha male? After LL you are not necessarily a semi crippled. Yes, you run slower, you are less agile, etc; but most of these abilities are not required to have success in life. Being crippled is not better than being short, you are mocking all the people who struggle just to walk... it is insulting. Also, lengthening only an inch is already noticeable. Only LL veterans know this.
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WTF is an alpha male? After LL you are not necessarily a semi crippled. Yes, you run slower, you are less agile, etc; but most of these abilities are not required to have success in life. Being crippled is not better than being short, you are mocking all the people who struggle just to walk... it is insulting. Also, lengthening only an inch is already noticeable. Only LL veterans know this.
Yes 1-2 inches is a huge difference I have been saying this all along and also although I have not lengthened my legs I do wear lifts and I do notice the difference from just 1-2 inches.
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You can't be an alpha male after surgery because your athletic abilities are diminished however being a semi crippled average height man is better than being short.
Alpha male is rather a strong character than body. Body only helps to some point.
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Alpha male is rather a strong character than body. Body only helps to some point.
You can't be an alpha male if you are short period so it doesn't matter anyway if you get lengthening or not. The best thing a short guy under 5'9 can do is get limb lengthening and focus on getting rich.
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In which city do you live mrhandsome that you seem so distressed about your height?
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You can't be an alpha male after surgery because your athletic abilities are diminished however being a semi crippled average height man is better than being short.
You have a very wrong view about LL.
If things go well there is no way you'll end up semi crippled.
Of course if things go bad you may end up a complete cripple but this can happen in many surgeries.
So even I hate the term alpha male, yes after LL if things go well and you end up more than average height and you have a good face, you work out and have some social skills, you could end up a very successful man like if you were physically taller with all these traits.
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The whole "alpha male" thing is bunk. Maybe you can't impress some dudebros. But that's fine.
If you want to be a confident, charismatic and successful guy, then you can do so being short. It is some extra work but not a lot to compensate for. Everyone admires/likes someone who is brave and over their own bullcrap regardless.
You shouldn't let something silly like your height (or even other people's judgements of you, because that's not your own bullcrap) hold you back from being the best version of yourself. Maybe I'm not the best person to say that... but it is true.
As for height and dating, I don't know, I notice some difference when I wear lifts (I am also 5'8") but I am seriously not sure if it is mostly my better confidence because lifts help shut up my neuroses. I don't think I will worry about being turned down for my height at 5'10/5'11, no. I have friends that height and it never happens to them.
But SpaceBoyfriend nailed it, it is not a good idea to do it for women. 2 inches, or even 4 or 6 inches, will not turn you from a guy who can hardly get a date (if that's your real predicament) to a pussy destroyer. My advice with that is it seems certain kinds of women are much more likely to reject short men than others. Get to know or approach different kinds of women.
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You have a very wrong view about LL.
If things go well there is no way you'll end up semi crippled.
Of course if things go bad you may end up a complete cripple but this can happen in many surgeries.
So even I hate the term alpha male, yes after LL if things go well and you end up more than average height and you have a good face, you work out and have some social skills, you could end up a very successful man like if you were physically taller with all these traits.
I agree the only problem is that athletic ability will be diminished and some girls look for that. But as a short guy you will never be a good athlete anyway so there is no point worrying about it. All and all leg lengthening is a good investment.
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I think you are a student, aren't you? I've noticed this obsession with height much more at university than in the rest of society, (I did not go directly from school) which is why I became interested in LL. I think things will be pretty miserable until you finish but get much better afterwards. Hang in there!
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I think you are a student, aren't you? I've noticed this obsession with height much more at university than in the rest of society, (I did not go directly from school) which is why I became interested in LL. I think things will be pretty miserable until you finish but get much better afterwards. Hang in there!
Yeah people in university are very tall these days but anyhow it's not really a big deal I will always have to deal with height related problems I have come to terms with it and plan to have leg lengthening for 4-5cms.
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People at university in France are supposed to be an inch taller than the average. So that'd already make them 5'11 if the same statistic holds in the UK/USA. When you combine that with the fact that most students seem pretty superficial and insecure, a lot of the guys are probably wearing big heels or lifts. So it's no real surprise that students seem pretty tall (I still wouldn't put the average most days at taller than 5'11 though).
There's no way of sugarcoating this, students are mostly shallow young people who just want a good time and want to fk hot people. Short guys aren't classically good looking.
However, university is probably also the tiest shallowest place you will ever go. Things are better outside. I actually never even really noticed that height mattered (sure I knew that women were supposed to theoretically like tall guys) until I came here.
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People at university in France are supposed to be an inch taller than the average. So that'd already make them 5'11 if the same statistic holds in the UK/USA. When you combine that with the fact that most students seem pretty superficial and insecure, a lot of the guys are probably wearing big heels or lifts. So it's no real surprise that students seem pretty tall (I still wouldn't put the average most days at taller than 5'11 though).
There's no way of sugarcoating this, students are mostly shallow young people who just want a good time and want to fk hot people. Short guys aren't classically good looking.
However, university is probably also the craptiest shallowest place you will ever go. Things are better outside. I actually never even really noticed that height mattered (sure I knew that women were supposed to theoretically like tall guys) until I came here.
The issue here is that I am also superficial so I need to meet these standards and I do in every way except for height.
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What I mean by superficial, is if women don't want to date you, for example, because they are scared that dating a short guy will make them look less desirable. To me that is very superficial. Here is another phrase that describes what I mean better, they are image-obsessed.
I don't mean that they are only attracted to taller men. That is different, and I can't criticise that. But I am saying that many girls at university (I've found) are like this because they have superficial values. Like I said before, it is the type of women. I don't know if your experience is the same. Other types of women are less concerned about dating short men because they don't think about dating in such a superficial way (that doesn't mean they don't want to be attracted to someone they are dating, and it doesn't even mean they don't value your physical appearance heavily).
There is nothing wrong or superficial with wanting a body you can feel good with, that's not what I'm saying at all. Otherwise I would be a hypocrite.
If you are good in every other way than height, though, I'm surprised things are so bad for you to say the least.
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What I mean by superficial, is if women don't want to date you, for example, because they are scared that dating a short guy will make them look less desirable. To me that is very superficial. Here is another phrase that describes what I mean better, they are image-obsessed.
I don't mean that they are only attracted to taller men. That is different, and I can't criticise that. But I am saying that many girls at university (I've found) are like this because they have superficial values. Like I said before, it is the type of women. I don't know if your experience is the same. Other types of women are less concerned about dating short men because they don't think about dating in such a superficial way (that doesn't mean they don't want to be attracted to someone they are dating, and it doesn't even mean they don't value your physical appearance heavily).
There is nothing wrong or superficial with wanting a body you can feel good with, that's not what I'm saying at all. Otherwise I would be a hypocrite.
If you are good in every other way than height, though, I'm surprised things are so bad for you to say the least.
I understand exactly where you are coming from. The stereotypes of being with a short guy are so bad that some women are afraid their friends will judge them as being less desirable for being with a short guy.
This mentality is very common in university unfortunately.
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MrHandsome, you are wrong in a number of accounts. First of all, the whole notion of "alpha male" could be rightfully criticized as irrelevant pseudoscience, but let's just put that aside there for a second, because we can say an ambitious, confident, successful man is an alpha male for you. It's not true that you can't be short and alpha, just look at Putin, who is pretty short, and whole nations defer to him. He's as alpha as it gets. It's also not true that you can't be alpha after having LL, because with a decent recovery, you'll still be capable of walking, running and doing all everyday tasks. Imagine a confident, assertive man who is the CEO of a big company and well-respected by his employees. Then he's running a 100 metre race and he's 5 seconds slower than anyone else. You think people are gonna lose all respect for him because of it? Just LOL.
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MrHandsome, you are wrong in a number of accounts. First of all, the whole notion of "alpha male" could be rightfully criticized as irrelevant pseudoscience, but let's just put that aside there for a second, because we can say an ambitious, confident, successful man is an alpha male for you. It's not true that you can't be short and alpha, just look at Putin, who is pretty short, and whole nations defer to him. He's as alpha as it gets. It's also not true that you can't be alpha after having LL, because with a decent recovery, you'll still be capable of walking, running and doing all everyday tasks. Imagine a confident, assertive man who is the CEO of a big company and well-respected by his employees. Then he's running a 100 metre race and he's 5 seconds slower than anyone else. You think people are gonna lose all respect for him because of it? Just LOL.
Yes that is true but things are different for the older generations honestly.
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Yes that is true but things are different for the older generations honestly.
You must be very young (school - University). At that age, physical attractiveness (which of course includes height) is the main factor to get a girl. As you grow older, there are other things that matter like social position, money, not having a lot of baggage, etc. Enjoy your days being a child because these things which seem important won't be so in the future.
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You must be very young (school - University). At that age, physical attractiveness (which of course includes height) is the main factor to get a girl. As you grow older, there are other things that matter like social position, money, not having a lot of baggage, etc. Enjoy your days being a child because these things which seem important won't be so in the future.
I am about to graduate from University and I'm 22 years old, but I strongly believe that women weight physical appearance heavily as an important characteristic throughout the 20s. By the time they start looking for other characteristics, their own appearance diminishes concurrently. What's the point in dating a used up woman anyway?
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I am about to graduate from University and I'm 22 years old, but I strongly believe that women weight physical appearance heavily as an important characteristic throughout the 20s. By the time they start looking for other characteristics, their own appearance diminishes concurrently. What's the point in dating a used up woman anyway?
I only said that to highlight that your approach to life is only important for a small portion of your lifespan. I agree with everything you said except "used up woman", WTF man, have some respect. I don't want to sound like a feminist but you should strive to be a decent human being not just tall.
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I only said that to highlight that your approach to life is only important for a small portion of your lifespan. I agree with everything you said except "used up woman", WTF man, have some respect. I don't want to sound like a feminist but you should strive to be a decent human being not just tall.
There's no such thing as being a decent human being and nice guys truly finish last. If you are short, you need to be able to understand the true nature of women.
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I am about to graduate from University and I'm 22 years old, but I strongly believe that women weight physical appearance heavily as an important characteristic throughout the 20s. By the time they start looking for other characteristics, their own appearance diminishes concurrently. What's the point in dating a used up woman anyway?
It is true that women stop judging so strict a man's appearance, especially height, when their own appearance start to deteriorate due to age.
In simple words, women are more elastic when they have no other choice as they can't attract the best men they could.
And yes, a true man should care to meet the high standards of good looking women as much as he can because that means he is really attractive.
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It is true that women stop judging so strict a man's appearance, especially height, when their own appearance start to deteriorate due to age.
In simple words, women are more elastic when they have no other choice as they can't attract the best men they could.
And yes, a true man should care to meet the high standards of good looking women as much as he can because that means he is really attractive.
They are actually not being elastic, they are still looking for the best man they can get but this best man is a little different because other factors, like the ones that LLSouthAmerica mentioned, come into play.
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If at 5'8 you are finding it very hard to date women than you are ugly. an ugly guy who is truely on the somewhat short side of average. After surgery you will be an average height ugly guy. Even if you will make it to 6' you will just be an ugly tall guy.
Man to be honest I might actually be ugly as well that's why I am having so much trouble. I have a great body and full head of hair but my face must not be too great. This has been confirmed by tinder where I'm only sparingly getting matches.
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It might not be that you're ugly. It might be your demeanour.
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It might not be that you're ugly. It might be your demeanour.
No I am actually ugly that's why I am not getting matches on tinder where they don't know my personality but this doesn't mean that my height is no longer a drawback. It still is a drawback at under 5'9.
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Your demeanour can show in your photos too. What kind of photos do you use on Tinder?
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Your demeanour can show in your photos too. What kind of photos do you use on Tinder?
Yeah I will try to get professional photos taken and then redo tinder. I am sorting out my physique with steroids at the moment.
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Yeah I will try to get professional photos taken and then redo tinder. I am sorting out my physique with steroids at the moment.
Steroids? Are you stupid?
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I don't think you need professional photos. Just ones which put across whatever kind of look and lifestyle you like/suits you. Or, just ones where you're having fun.
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I don't think you need professional photos. Just ones which put across whatever kind of look and lifestyle you like/suits you. Or, just ones where you're having fun.
Yea and make sure you don't look sad or depressed in the photos.
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Steroids? Are you stupid?
Steroids are safe if used properly and also I'm planning to use hgh for the next few years before my surgery so my proportions aren't thrown off.
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Steroids are safe if used properly and also I'm planning to use hgh for the next few years before my surgery so my proportions aren't thrown off.
Steroids are never safe and if you do cycles frequently your libido will be permanently reduced.
You can try them and your body will have great results but don't use them for many cycles and of course don't think that you don't harm your health because it is far from truth.
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I don't think you need professional photos. Just ones which put across whatever kind of look and lifestyle you like/suits you. Or, just ones where you're having fun.
Solid advice, also NEVER post selfies (they make you look friendless). Make yourself to be more fun than you really are.
Also forget about steroids, most people can put up muscles without them (eating better maybe also protein shakes + work out). Unless you want to look like a beast and by that point you will only get laid to gym rats minotaur girls.
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You need psychiatric help way more than you need this surgery.
First of all, this pussy slayer dude? Very rare, even among the taller guys. Definitely not a staple you want to hold yourself to.
Secondly, if you're telling me you're having no success dating online then I can confidently say it's not your height. I'm in LA, arguably the most superficial place on earth, and being 5'3" I've had decent success on and off Tinder. I clearly state my height on my profile and still get about 4-5 matches a day. When I got Tinder Plus this number was in the tens... The girls I match with vary in terms of attractiveness but I rarely get bellow 6/10's and occasionally actual 9/10's.
Because I state my height in my profile there is absolutely no disappointment on the first date. And at 5'8" I'm sure any disappointment you feel coming your way isn't due to your height (unless you put 6'4" in your profile or something).
Even before I had my height in my profile, my dates were never disappointed. They would bring it up sometimes but I always played it off and the result was mixed. I still ended up sleeping with or dating a good number of them. And you know what? That's life. Everyone gets filtered out by a certain portion of the population based on various reasons, height being just one of them.
Honestly, as a 5'3" guy, it seems ridiculous to me that you'd want this surgery at 5'8". But who am I to judge other 5'8"s who want the surgery. It's just you in particular I'm worried about. You seem to be thinking in terms of absolutes and that's a sign of impending mental disorder.
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fivefootthree, you're my hero dude. I wish I had your confidence.
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So fivefootthree you say that someone at your height gets plenty of hot girls without much problems?
Because neither men more than average height are so successful generally and sorry but at your height, at least in my country, you are doomed.
No matter how charming or good as a character you are, it is almost impossible to be successful on dating at this height.
I can't understand how, in a superficial place like LA and in a more even superficial app like tinder where people care only about appearance, a 5.3 man can be so successful with women.
In no way I want to doubt what you say but I simply can't believe how it happens as most of us see a completely different attitude from women towards to less than average height men and you are shorter even than the average height women .
I really wish you always to be so cool and successful and I truly mean it!
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You need psychiatric help way more than you need this surgery.
First of all, this pussy slayer dude? Very rare, even among the taller guys. Definitely not a staple you want to hold yourself to.
Secondly, if you're telling me you're having no success dating online then I can confidently say it's not your height. I'm in LA, arguably the most superficial place on earth, and being 5'3" I've had decent success on and off Tinder. I clearly state my height on my profile and still get about 4-5 matches a day. When I got Tinder Plus this number was in the tens... The girls I match with vary in terms of attractiveness but I rarely get bellow 6/10's and occasionally actual 9/10's.
Because I state my height in my profile there is absolutely no disappointment on the first date. And at 5'8" I'm sure any disappointment you feel coming your way isn't due to your height (unless you put 6'4" in your profile or something).
Even before I had my height in my profile, my dates were never disappointed. They would bring it up sometimes but I always played it off and the result was mixed. I still ended up sleeping with or dating a good number of them. And you know what? That's life. Everyone gets filtered out by a certain portion of the population based on various reasons, height being just one of them.
Honestly, as a 5'3" guy, it seems ridiculous to me that you'd want this surgery at 5'8". But who am I to judge other 5'8"s who want the surgery. It's just you in particular I'm worried about. You seem to be thinking in terms of absolutes and that's a sign of impending mental disorder.
You are lying bro I have never seen a 5'3 man do well with women. Maybe you have a huge penis or something but honestly your post sounds like hyperbole. I live in California and I have never seen a 5'3 man do well with hot women. With women? Yes. But with hot in shape women? No.
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You are lying bro I have never seen a 5'3 man do well with women. Maybe you have a huge penis or something but honestly your post sounds like hyperbole. I live in California and I have never seen a 5'3 man do well with hot women. With women? Yes. But with hot in shape women? No.
Triggered lmao
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Triggered lmao
I'm not triggered bro never trust anything without evidence. In real life I have never seen a 5'3 guy with a hot woman. Maybe he is the exception but without evidence who I am to judge whether his claims are spurious or not.
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Well, I'm inclined to believe him, if only because he has no good reason to lie about that here. He's not trying to troll you- he's trying to help.
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You are lying bro I have never seen a 5'3 man do well with women. Maybe you have a huge penis or something but honestly your post sounds like hyperbole. I live in California and I have never seen a 5'3 man do well with hot women. With women? Yes. But with hot in shape women? No.
I'm also inclined to believe you're not going to be happy either way with that view point. Such a dumb, overly broad subjective thing to say; same goes for BB.
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I'm also inclined to believe you're not going to be happy either way with that view point. Such a dumb, overly broad subjective thing to say; same goes for BB.
Honestly bro I have found that fit girls really despise short men even the short ugly ones with small breasts who have no right to have such ridiculous standards.
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Do you guys realize that short guys have to be literally millionaires to have any chance with decent looking women????
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I'm also inclined to believe you're not going to be happy either way with that view point. Such a dumb, overly broad subjective thing to say; same goes for BB.
5.3 is very short for a guy. That's why I find it really hard for someone at that height to be successful on dating.
Yes, a 5.3 may find a hot woman but very rarely. Someone who says that he bangs a lot of hot girls and has no problem in dating at that height is really weird not only for me but for any wise and logican person.
I don't know why you thing I won't be happy.
I am ok even at my current height but I truly believe that with another LL I'll be much more successful in dating and more fulfiled as a person.
But that has nothing to do with my disbelief that a 5.3 guy is successful with women and especially hot ones.
The few less than 5.5 people I know have never a gf and only one has a 5 years relationship which is his only one.
So my experience and my logic says otherwise of what 5.3 says.
But I really hope he tells the truth. After all we all hope women who don't care about height become more and more.
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I feel like if someone doesn't have height dysmorphia, they'll definitely get it after coming to this site. You all are so condescending towards short guys, which happen to be yourselves!! Yes, it is a disadvantage, but not a disability!
I have coached a 5'1" friend into landing a 5'7" model before. Is it a challenge? Absolutely. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
Height helps but it's not a magic pill.
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I feel like if someone doesn't have height dysmorphia, they'll definitely get it after coming to this site. You all are so condescending towards short guys, which happen to be yourselves!! Yes, it is a disadvantage, but not a disability!
I have coached a 5'1" friend into landing a 5'7" model before. Is it a challenge? Absolutely. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
Height helps but it's not a magic pill.
You are right.
This site (and the old forum coupled with other stuff on the internet) made me go into some kind of depression a year ago.
You and other people should just read the diaries and get the picture and afterwards leave. This forum is toxic and I highly believe some are fake users sent by third world countries LL doctors who say all this toxic stuff in order to push people into LL without thinking and researching enough
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I'm telling you guys now that pua is a scam. I mean it. You cannot get hot women as a short man without money and status. I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up. I already went through that bull .
Bodybuilder knows what he is talking about. You cannot get hot girls as a short man under 5'8. I mean that honestly.
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I'm telling you guys now that pua is a scam. I mean it. You cannot get hot women as a short man without money and status. I just don't want anyone to get their hopes up. I already went through that bullcrap.
Bodybuilder knows what he is talking about. You cannot get hot girls as a short man under 5'8. I mean that honestly.
I'm sorry but this is BS.
Look at some of your perceptions of the world:
Do you guys realize that short guys have to be literally millionaires to have any chance with decent looking women????
The only word to describe that thought is delusional.
There are lots of short guys that attract pretty girls. I was 5'2(albeit in India, it's still really short) and have been hit on by pretty girls. If I wasn't a total introvert with my head up my ass, I would've dated a lot more than I did.
Man to be honest I might actually be ugly as well that's why I am having so much trouble. I have a great body and full head of hair but my face must not be too great. This has been confirmed by tinder where I'm only sparingly getting matches.
This might be the real problem. I hope this doesn't offend you. This is me pointing you in the right direction. If you're 5'8 and finding it incredibly hard to date, it's either the state of mind or the face. Sure 5'8 isn't anybody's dream height, but a 5'8 guy with other attributes can most definitely score.
So if there's a possibility that height isn't the problem, is LL really going to make you happy? Food for thought.
Here's what I'll say with absolute certainty: Only get LL if you're sure that height is your Achilles heel, your fictional little nemesis. If you're not sure, sort your thoughts out first.
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The only thing that needs to be said here:
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I understand that the places where BodyBuilder and MrHandsome live have plenty of stupid superficial women. However, even if being short is a disadvantage in terms of physical attractiveness, there are girls out there who care about other stuff more. These girls can also be good looking and there is plenty of short people who have beautiful girlfriends and are happy.
This is why I think it's bull all this talk about "you get nothing if you are less than 5'7", and all this self-hating. A lot of these users are actively encouraging people to do LL and hate themselves because of their heights which I think it's very irresponsible. All those people talking in absolutes like "you should do the surgery only if you are from 5'5 to 5'9 because you will benefit in dating" know nothing. I, for instance, think it's stupid to do the surgery at 5'8, others might say 5'7 or 5'10, whatever.
The point is this surgery in not necessary and all this talk about people below (insert your height level) cm won't get women or won't get respected is stupid.
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I feel like if someone doesn't have height dysmorphia, they'll definitely get it after coming to this site. You all are so condescending towards short guys, which happen to be yourselves!! Yes, it is a disadvantage, but not a disability!
I have coached a 5'1" friend into landing a 5'7" model before. Is it a challenge? Absolutely. Is it impossible? Absolutely not.
Height helps but it's not a magic pill.
I agree. The internet will amplify your insecurity or make you have one when you weren't even insecure about something in the first place. sites like this make you feel like you have some kind of disability and make you feel even worse.
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I'm sorry but this is BS.
Look at some of your perceptions of the world:The only word to describe that thought is delusional.
There are lots of short guys that attract pretty girls. I was 5'2(albeit in India, it's still really short) and have been hit on by pretty girls. If I wasn't a total introvert with my head up my ass, I would've dated a lot more than I did.
This might be the real problem. I hope this doesn't offend you. This is me pointing you in the right direction. If you're 5'8 and finding it incredibly hard to date, it's either the state of mind or the face. Sure 5'8 isn't anybody's dream height, but a 5'8 guy with other attributes can most definitely score.
So if there's a possibility that height isn't the problem, is LL really going to make you happy? Food for thought.
Here's what I'll say with absolute certainty: Only get LL if you're sure that height is your Achilles heel, your fictional little nemesis. If you're not sure, sort your thoughts out first.
It's different in India and the United States and actually I am not ugly but I am considered ugly because of my height unfortunately. I have honestly been rejected by many girls for being 5'8. It really depends on the area I think. My height is a constant problem and I am way shorter than everyone else. I went to plastic surgery forums asking for advice about my face and they said it's not that big of a problem.
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You are right.
This site (and the old forum coupled with other stuff on the internet) made me go into some kind of depression a year ago.
You and other people should just read the diaries and get the picture and afterwards leave. This forum is toxic and I highly believe some are fake users sent by third world countries LL doctors who say all this toxic stuff in order to push people into LL without thinking and researching enough
Luckily enough I'm considering LL not because I'm insecure so the comments on this site don't really affect me much. The diaries are really helpful and it's interesting to see people's points of views and insecurities. Those insecurities exist outside of this platform but it's a bad recipe for those susceptible influence.
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I can't speak for 5' 8 to 5' 10, but going from 5' 9 to 6' is almost a world of difference......at least where I'm from where the average is about 170-175 cm. You could extrapolate this into your country's average and decide how much of a difference it could make. But also be aware that if the change in height is too big and you're too old to possibly grow, people you know you before LL will get suspicious. Not everyone is oblivious to LL, and if they are they won't be for long once they start Googling. It is indeed a tough balancing act on choosing how much to lengthen
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I can't speak for 5' 8 to 5' 10, but going from 5' 9 to 6' is almost a world of difference......at least where I'm from where the average is about 170-175 cm. You could extrapolate this into your country's average and decide how much of a difference it could make. But also be aware that if the change in height is too big and you're too old to possibly grow, people you know you before LL will get suspicious. Not everyone is oblivious to LL, and if they are they won't be for long once they start Googling. It is indeed a tough balancing act on choosing how much to lengthen
I think it is very dependent on the person's personality too. Yes the height helps but whether it is a moderate change or a world of a difference is how it is used. We have to keep this in mind when we're giving advice.
Have you experienced anyone noticing and questioning after LL? Care to share about a particular experience?
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I think it is very dependent on the person's personality too. Yes the height helps but whether it is a moderate change or a world of a difference is how it is used. We have to keep this in mind when we're giving advice.
Have you experienced anyone noticing and questioning after LL? Care to share about a particular experience?
Yeah I'd have to agree. Personality plays a huge height. If you're the type of person who notices other people's height more than anything else, you'd definitely feel the difference
As for my experience, there have been certain suspenseful situations. There was a friend of mine who after not seeing me for a while and noticed the height increase straight up asking me "You did limb lengthening didn't you?" to which I replied " Yeah.....like I would throw away 100 thousand dollars for a couple of centimetres". Mind you he's a smart guy who would know how much this would have cost. He knows I'm not the richest guy around as well. But I still can't tell for sure if he knows. Another tight situation was when a coworker, who noticed I was taller, was discussing with me how I drive and whether I would fit in the car to which I replied "why wouldn't I?". She then said "well you're shin is really long". That caught me off guard. This did happen when my calves were really small so no one really notices anymore because they're bigger now
So yeah although I'm extremely comfortable with my height,I've learned that inevitably that if you lengthen too much when you're too old, people WILL get suspicious.
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Yeah I'd have to agree. Personality plays a huge height. If you're the type of person who notices other people's height more than anything else, you'd definitely feel the difference
As for my experience, there have been certain suspenseful situations. There was a friend of mine who after not seeing me for a while and noticed the height increase straight up asking me "You did limb lengthening didn't you?" to which I replied " Yeah.....like I would throw away 100 thousand dollars for a couple of centimetres". Mind you he's a smart guy who would know how much this would have cost. He knows I'm not the richest guy around as well. But I still can't tell for sure if he knows. Another tight situation was when a coworker, who noticed I was taller, was discussing with me how I drive and whether I would fit in the car to which I replied "why wouldn't I?". She then said "well you're shin is really long". That caught me off guard. This did happen when my calves were really small so no one really notices anymore because they're bigger now
So yeah although I'm extremely comfortable with my height,I've learned that inevitably that if you lengthen too much when you're too old, people WILL get suspicious.
Your friend coming out and asking if you did LL is kind of a dck move. That's pretty interesting. I wonder if others LLers have had similar experiences. I often wonder what my interactions will be after. Maybe I need to just avoid all people I used to know. haha
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Yeah I'd have to agree. Personality plays a huge height. If you're the type of person who notices other people's height more than anything else, you'd definitely feel the difference
As for my experience, there have been certain suspenseful situations. There was a friend of mine who after not seeing me for a while and noticed the height increase straight up asking me "You did limb lengthening didn't you?" to which I replied " Yeah.....like I would throw away 100 thousand dollars for a couple of centimetres". Mind you he's a smart guy who would know how much this would have cost. He knows I'm not the richest guy around as well. But I still can't tell for sure if he knows. Another tight situation was when a coworker, who noticed I was taller, was discussing with me how I drive and whether I would fit in the car to which I replied "why wouldn't I?". She then said "well you're shin is really long". That caught me off guard. This did happen when my calves were really small so no one really notices anymore because they're bigger now
So yeah although I'm extremely comfortable with my height,I've learned that inevitably that if you lengthen too much when you're too old, people WILL get suspicious.
If you lengthened a more normal amount like 6cm, less people would have understood (especially if you wore lifts before) and your shins would have been better as now, from the pic you uploaded, you have the most unproportional femur to tibia ratio I've ever seen in an LL'er.
You had a good preLL height so you should have been more wise to lengthen more conservatively as 8 cm in tibias is a bad choice except you are very short and lengthen as much as you can or if your tibias are disproportionately short but you had none of them.
Personally, many people said I looked taller or bigger after I did LL but noone really considered what I did, even some of my closest friends.
But when I did my second LL almost anyone would understand the difference, especially because I would be 31 when I'll do it so no growth spurt justification could stand.
But if someone does only one LL, if he wore lifts before and don,t lengthen too much, he may pass without much suspicions.
However, personally I never cared about all these, what matters is to get through LL without serious complications and get rid of height complexes.
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Dude, all these replies made me question my actual life for a second lol. That's the effect these focused forums can have on someone. Some of you guys have some sort of BDD, and I am not gonna be part of that.
That's why I've made a rule for myself. I only go on this forum once I have an actual question regarding my LL plans and I only do it at night before bed, that way I avoid letting this journey consume my life.
Before this I was on reddit.com/r/short for a while and I noticed it had a similar, depressing vibe. Funnily enough there were a few Tinder experiment posts there with guys around my height who've had no success whatsoever and I fell into the pitfall of assuming their lives were mine (meanwhile I was doing fine with women in actual reality lol). You gotta understand, you're not representative of the group of guys who are your same height. You're you, you're an individual who's different. I realized this when I put my height in my Tinder bio and still got roughly the same amount of attention I had before (which was enough for me).
Regarding my post: Yeah man, I'm getting good matches on Tinder daily. I have decent facial aesthetics, I'm in shape and I have outdoorsy photos. I have a nice car and I list a nice job so I guess that helps too. There are days where it's a little slow but I generally get my fair share of attractive women. Also some of you seemed to think I end up banging all my matches. That's not what I was saying. I'm a busy guy and I'm not just looking for hookups anyway. Some guys chase, I don't. I don't know what my count would be if I chased because I never did. But so far I've dated (not just slept with) 8 girls from Tinder. One of them was way taller than me at 5'8" and another one was a 9/10 Burlesque dancer my height (the rest were pretty regular 7-8/10's). I'm mainly using Tinder to see who I match with and who strikes up conversations first. I guess you could call that "validation." Either way, when I want a date I can get it.
Am I particularly confident? Of course not, I wouldn't even consider LL at all if I was, but the confidence I show is apparently enough.
And it's not just Tinder, I've enjoyed the attention of girls in random places too, including the dreaded clubs (but I have to be drunk for this). I won't bore you with details but I've done pretty well for myself (considering I haven't even tried that hard).
And I know plenty of guys my height who are doing well with girls. I'm not the only one.
MrHandsome, dude, you're talking in terms of absolutes so much that there's no way you're not trolling. I know so many guys your height and shorter than you who are great with women. 5'8" is an absolutely normal height, most women probably even think you're tall. I legitimately don't understand how someone who's 5'8" can think height is the main deterrent in his desirability. It's like we're living in different realities. I wish I could make you see how absurd your worldview is through my reply, it's just such a waste of life and energy that you think you NEED this surgery to do well with women.
I mean I WANT this surgery I don't NEED it and I'm 5'3". You do the math man. Anyways, I wish you good luck whatever your plans may be. I probably won't check out this depressing-ass thread again lol.
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^Good to have your perspective on the forum when there's so many incels on here.
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Five foot three yes, it is like living in different realities.
I never saw any man at your height, even 2-3 inches taller, hit a girl in a club.
I am the same height as Mrhandsome, about half an inch more to be specific, and many women didn't have problem with my height but still other had and a good amount rejected me only for that, even though they didn't mention it face to face. I am sure that almost all the women whonrejected me or the one that left me wouldn't have done the same if I was 5.11 or more.
So it is nice you are doing well with women. And surely every man is different regardless of his height. But this fking trait is so important for men that the majority of men of really short statures like you have a very hard time in dating especially no matter their other traits which can be very good.
This forum surely has some lunatics who think that at 5.11 or 6 ft they lack height and they wear heels to appear taller but most of people at 5.5-5.8 which is the majority, speak the truth and what they describe are not the lives of loosers but the difficulties that short-shorter than average people face in their everyday lives.
And that can be changed because a 5.3 guy like you is a very rare exception who has 8's and 9's looking girls at that height while even tall men struggle to have so hot women.
So I don't know how and why you are so successful with women but that can't change the fact that guys at your height and generally short guys have a very hard time with women, no matter how good in anything else they are.
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Yes, Up to 5 9" you wont see any benefit becuase you are very average or below there, a good height for me starts at 5 10", tears in 3,2,1. 2 inches are a great difference, you have to keep in mind that most of the people lie about their height, they are 5 6" And say 5 8", that is why persons believe that 5 10" is short, well in reddit average is 7', but the real world is a little different.
Exactly. Whenever someone says they are 5'11 (in my experience) they look like manlets. And people that claim the magical 6 feet look like giants. A lot of people lie