Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: .. on November 15, 2017, 10:56:22 PM
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Being 4" shorter than my own father is the biggest horror in my life and has hurt me probably more than my height itself. I've found some people that are in the same predicament as me. Remembering them, at least, will spare myself pain.
1. Robin Van Roosmalen - 5'6.5", father - 6'5"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCnrMBhXoAEv200.jpg)
Perhaps one of the biggest height disparity that ever happened.
2. Scott Caan - 5'5", father James Caan - 5'9"
(http://cdn23.us1.fansshare.com/photos/scottcaan/sc-james-caan-1084835352.jpg)
3. Jaden Smith - 5'7", father Will Smith - 6'1.5"
(http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/31/768x1152/gallery-1470119384-jaden-smith-will-smith-suicide-squad-premiere.jpg)
4. Alfonso Freeman - 5'9", father Morgan Freeman - 6'2"
(http://www.setcelebs.com/images/alfonso-freeman-03.jpg)
5. Scott Eastwood - 5'11", father Clint Eastwood - 6'4"
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10140461.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Warner-Bros-Pictures-Presents-INVICTUS-Los-Angeles-Premiere-Beverly-Hills-Los-Angeles-America.jpg)
* Kron Gracie - 5'8.5", father Rickson Gracie - 5'9.5"
(https://www.bjjee.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/kron.jpg)
Both are listed at 5'9" but Kron always appears shorter in every picture.
In Fiction
Michael Corleone in The Godfather
(https://media.baselineresearch.com/images/127517/127517_full.jpg)
Hud
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Paul_Newman_and_Melvyn_Douglas_Hud.jpg)
In the movie Hud, Paul Newman (5'10")'s character is potrayed to be shorter than his father played by Melvyn Douglas (6'1.5").
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You should include the mother's height for the full picture. Human height is a polygenic trait that goes as far as your grandparents' genes.
EDIT: Might as well do it myself.
So, Jaden's mother is only 4ft 11.5in, or 151.1cm tall. I'm also seeing some websites stating he is actually 174cm tall. He looks just a bit over 170cm to me. It's an interesting interaction. He could have been much worse off.
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Donald and Kiefer Sutherland.
Bill Gates and his father.
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You should include the mother's height for the full picture. Human height is a polygenic trait that goes as far as your grandparents' genes.
EDIT: Might as well do it myself.
So, Jaden's mother is only 4ft 11.5in, or 151.1cm tall. I'm also seeing some websites stating he is actually 174cm tall. He looks just a bit over 170cm to me. It's an interesting interaction. He could have been much worse off.
There's no really such thing. Most guys' mothers nowadays are midgets but still end up taller than their fathers. Only the minorities such as myself and the people mentioned above that are different.
If Will Smith is 186cm, then there's no way that's how 12cm looks like.
Donald and Kiefer Sutherland.
Bill Gates and his father.
Good suggestion. I missed that one.
6. Kiefer Sutherland - 5'8.5", father Donald Sutherland - 6'4"
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/50/3b/22/503b22dc71f60cce9a5734ee771a4e7a--sutherland-kiefer-donald-sutherland.jpg)
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Like I mentioned, it's a polygenic trait. Your mother's genes also play a significant role. Even your grandparents' do, if they were passed on. It's definitely not a rule that most men grow up to be at least as tall as their fathers.
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Sorry for the double post, but since this one doesn't specifically relate to my previous one, I'll just post another.
Scott Caan is definitely the worst one off this list. His mother (R.I.P.) seemed of above average height (looked 5'6"~5'7"), and his father wasn't short (5'9").
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Sorry for the double post, but since this one doesn't specifically relate to my previous one, I'll just post another.
Scott Caan is definitely the worst one off this list. His mother (R.I.P.) seemed of above average height (looked 5'6"~5'7"), and his father wasn't short (5'9").
How did you come up with 5'6"-5'7"? Her mother looks quite shorter than him.
(https://st.depositphotos.com/1814084/1795/i/950/depositphotos_17954527-stock-photo-scott-caan-kim-berbeck-and.jpg)
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/sheila-ryan-and-scott-caan-during-dallas-362-los-angeles-premiere-at-picture-id110715805?k=6&m=110715805&w=0&h=Rb_X5Zg9CMNG9B5WEiYwnxsmseDH5uMsTkQi7LOMECc=)
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I saw old pictures of her with Elvis Presley, who was 182cm (6 feet), and she didn't look that far off from his height. She must have been using big heels. But yeah, I'll stop talking about her here. It feels weird to discuss things like this about people who passed away not that many years ago. Still, there we go. Short mother and not-tall father explains the variability that resulted in his height.
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I saw old pictures of her with Elvis Presley, who was 182cm (6 feet), and she didn't look that far off from his height. She must have been using big heels. But yeah, I'll stop talking about her here. It feels weird to discuss things like this about people who passed away not that many years ago. Still, there we go. Short mother and not-tall father explains the variability that resulted in his height.
Which gives us one more reason to stop torturing ourselves by suspecting we stunted our growth by imperfect upbringing. Genetic variation allows a perfectly healthy person to still become shorter than his parent(s).
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Guys.
Most hieght comes from the mother
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Scott Caan is almost exactly like I was with a 5.9 dad and a 5.2 mother I ended up at a 5.65 which was completely normal.
It is stupid for someone to believe he stunted his growth because he is not taller than his father.
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Yes sometimes the mother genes play more of a hand. I know two brothers one is 5 9 and the other 5 1 and their parents are 5 6 and 5 1.
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Guys.
Most hieght comes from the mother
It depends on who gave the dominant genes for height. In my case I would of been screwed because my mother is 5 1 but that is not the case.
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It can work the other way too. I know people who have short parents but they end up being tall.
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We didn't nickname it "genetic lottery" without reason.
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That's all kinda unpredictable things ,my mom and dad are really short (5 ft 2 and 5 ft 3) but I'm 5 ft 10 ,some of my friends(2 brothers) who have taller parents (about 5 ft 7 and 5 ft 5) ended up with 5 ft 8.5 and 5 ft 7
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Which gives us one more reason to stop torturing ourselves by suspecting we stunted our growth by imperfect upbringing. Genetic variation allows a perfectly healthy person to still become shorter than his parent(s).
I'm not saying it couldn't happen genetically. It's just minority.
Scott Caan is almost exactly like I was with a 5.9 dad and a 5.2 mother I ended up at a 5.65 which was completely normal.
It is stupid for someone to believe he stunted his growth because he is not taller than his father.
and also because his sleep deprivation and depression were extreme.
Guys.
Most hieght comes from the mother
Yes sometimes the mother genes play more of a hand. I know two brothers one is 5 9 and the other 5 1 and their parents are 5 6 and 5 1.
If it was true, most guys would be shorter than their fathers today. There are thousands of celebrities, I only managed to find about 6 people in this case.
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I'm not saying it couldn't happen genetically. It's just minority.
and also because his sleep deprivation and depression were extreme.
If it was true, most guys would be shorter than their fathers today. There are thousands of celebrities, I only managed to find about 6 people in this case.
The key word I said was sometimes. It depends what genes are dominant and recessive and as the other user pointed out sometimes other factors have to be considered when both parents are super short but the child grows to 5 10.
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Which gives us one more reason to stop torturing ourselves by suspecting we stunted our growth by imperfect upbringing. Genetic variation allows a perfectly healthy person to still become shorter than his parent(s).
Well, they're not mutually exclusive. You could do bad on the genetic lottery and still miss a couple centimeters due to your life and nutrition. But yeah, most of the height boils down to genetics.
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Well, they're not mutually exclusive. You could do bad on the genetic lottery and still miss a couple centimeters due to your life and nutrition. But yeah, most of the height boils down to genetics.
A couple of centimeters will not decide your life's fate.
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A couple of centimeters will not decide your life's fate.
A couple of centimeters are huge.
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You say that a couple of centimeters won't decide your life's fate yet people are willing to get surgery for a couple of centimeters. How ironic.
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Yes on this point handsome is right. If I was 4 cm taller I would opt to not do the surgery.
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If a couple of centimeters make a huge difference to you, then that's only becaue of mental reasons. It's only because of the magic number that is your height in centimeters which you are satisfied or not satisfied with. BruceWayne is obviously a guy with mental issues, and that's not meant as an insult. There's nothing shameful about having mental problems, but one can acknowledge they exist in some people. There is no significant difference between a guy and another guy who's 4 cm taller.
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If a couple of centimeters make a huge difference to you, then that's only becaue of mental reasons. It's only because of the magic number that is your height in centimeters which you are satisfied or not satisfied with. BruceWayne is obviously a guy with mental issues, and that's not meant as an insult. There's nothing shameful about having mental problems, but one can acknowledge they exist in some people. There is no significant difference between a guy and another guy who's 4 cm taller.
There's nothing shameful about having mental problems as much as being short.
To make you understand, imagine me being 167cm. Do you know how many women that are 168cm-172cm? It makes a difference whether I'm 1-5cm shorter than her or same height or 1-5cm taller. 170cm tall girl would be physically looking down at me when talking to me whereas she wouldn't if I was 170cm/171cm. It can work the other way too, imagine me being 163-164cm, I'd be officially below average height of white female whereas technically I'm above average as 167cm.
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If a couple of centimeters make a huge difference to you, then that's only becaue of mental reasons. It's only because of the magic number that is your height in centimeters which you are satisfied or not satisfied with. BruceWayne is obviously a guy with mental issues, and that's not meant as an insult. There's nothing shameful about having mental problems, but one can acknowledge they exist in some people. There is no significant difference between a guy and another guy who's 4 cm taller.
In my case I wear 4cm lift so I know what those extra 4 cm will feel like. I can say standing at 179 i am content but of course not fully satisfied.
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You have no credibility in the forum so why don't you go back to whatever mental institution you escaped from in Brazil.
Why would I? Cause the truth hurts you sooo bad? Can’t handle a little constructive criticism? I don’t expect you to cry this soon and tap out this early.
You don’t need to grow some bones to height up
You need to grow some balls and man up ;)
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Why would I? Cause the truth hurts you sooo bad? Can’t handle a little constructive criticism? I don’t expect you to cry this soon and tap out this early.
You don’t need to grow some bones to height up
You need to grow some balls and man up ;)
Says the butt hurt lunatic that makes 3 alt accounts of me. You made an ass of yourself when you fell for the monegal impersonator and you continue to do it with your lunatic ramblings. No sane doctor would operate a lunatic such as yourself. Your gonna have to go to a quack doctor in India. :D
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There's nothing shameful about having mental problems as much as being short.
To make you understand, imagine me being 167cm. Do you know how many women that are 168cm-172cm? It makes a difference whether I'm 1-5cm shorter than her or same height or 1-5cm taller. 170cm tall girl would be physically looking down at me when talking to me whereas she wouldn't if I was 170cm/171cm. It can work the other way too, imagine me being 163-164cm, I'd be officially below average height of white female whereas technically I'm above average as 167cm.
At 164 cm you are not talking about "only 4 cm too short", that height is 10-15 cm below average depending on where you are. Of course if you were 164 you would be happier at 168, but would you be satisfied and fully content with your height? So much that the 4 cm difference warrants a huge difference in living quality? If the answer is "yes", then there you go, it's all not as bad as you paint it to be. You can either wear 3 cm lifts or do a 4 cm LL surgery with mediocre costs and mild risks, which will very likely not leave you crippled. Your problems can definitely be solved. If the answer is "no", then 4 cm are not "huge" or will decide your life's fate.
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At 164 cm you are not talking about "only 4 cm too short", that height is 10-15 cm below average depending on where you are. Of course if you were 164 you would be happier at 168, but would you be satisfied and fully content with your height? So much that the 4 cm difference warrants a huge difference in living quality? If the answer is "yes", then there you go, it's all not as bad as you paint it to be. You can either wear 3 cm lifts or do a 4 cm LL surgery with mediocre costs and mild risks, which will very likely not leave you crippled. Your problems can definitely be solved. If the answer is "no", then 4 cm are not "huge" or will decide your life's fate.
I meant to say that 163-164cm is 3-4cm shorter than my current height. As much as I despise my current height, I must admit that if I was 164cm then it'd be game over. Now at 167cm, the situation is like a shattered glass that is not yet broken. I'm 2" under male decent height (of 5'8").
And one more thing, I've been wearing lifts for years. It DOES HELP to mask my lack of height, but it DOES NOT SOLVE the problem. A 178cm guy can also wear lifts to get to 183cm.
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I meant to say that 163-164cm is 3-4cm shorter than my current height. As much as I despise my current height, I must admit that if I was 164cm then it'd be game over. Now at 167cm, the situation is like a shattered glass that is not yet broken. I'm 2" under male decent height (of 5'8").
And one more thing, I've been wearing lifts for years. It DOES HELP to mask my lack of height, but it DOES NOT SOLVE the problem. A 178cm guy can also wear lifts to get to 183cm.
Right, the 164 guy is just an example. But the principle still applies: If only 4 cm are really "a huge difference, a life changer" to you then that must mean your life would be turned around 180 degrees and change completely, if you were 171 instead of 167. When in reality, it's just a negligible height difference and the life of two random people who are 4 cm apart will not be extremely different.
Case in point, there are quite a lot of people of your "desired height" wishing to do LL. And there are some people who are at around 168 who say they decided not do LL or don't think about it because their lives are fine. So it's clearly not an objective, big difference between 171 and 167 but to your specific situation (which your mental state plays a huge part in) it is.
So if your "desired height" is all you want, go ahead and plan for your surgery. As I said, 4 cm can be done with relatively controllable risks and you should be fine. But don't think that your life and your physical appearance will be 100% better and different than it is now. It won't.
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Height is complex because we have to talk about percentiles, location, culture, etc. A 4cm jump is much bigger for someone going from 164 to 168cm than someone going from 167 to 171cm. It is also basically negligible for a man to go from 150 to 155cm or 155 to 160cm if they're living in predominantly white countries, whereas the situation would change in some Southeast Asian countries. Likewise, to go from 190cm to 194cm would also be negligible; you'd already be taller than the vast majority of anyone who even looks at you - they would barely notice a difference.
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Right, the 164 guy is just an example. But the principle still applies: If only 4 cm are really "a huge difference, a life changer" to you then that must mean your life would be turned around 180 degrees and change completely, if you were 171 instead of 167. When in reality, it's just a negligible height difference and the life of two random people who are 4 cm apart will not be extremely different.
Case in point, there are quite a lot of people of your "desired height" wishing to do LL. And there are some people who are at around 168 who say they decided not do LL or don't think about it because their lives are fine. So it's clearly not an objective, big difference between 171 and 167 but to your specific situation (which your mental state plays a huge part in) it is.
So if your "desired height" is all you want, go ahead and plan for your surgery. As I said, 4 cm can be done with relatively controllable risks and you should be fine. But don't think that your life and your physical appearance will be 100% better and different than it is now. It won't.
While not quite a life changer, if I was 4cm, it'd make a good difference for me and I regret losing it to a fked up upbringing.
I still think the benefit of 4-5cm wouldn't outweight the loss of getting crippled as a martial artist.
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Unfortunate but it can always be worse
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Interesting read, though they do rely too much on American concepts of race:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-of-human-height/
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This is anecdotal evidence and by no means something serious, but I was wondering if the poster who said most of your height comes from your mother could be right. All the people who are shorter than their fathers that I know of (including myself) have some pretty decently short mothers. Whereas I have friends with fathers around 170cm but their mothers were very close in height to the father (~166cm+) and they all grew to be taller than their fathers - with most reaching 180cm, give or take a couple centimeters.
It's probably just the genetic lottery, though.
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Found out that Daniel Radcliffe is shorter than his father. He's 5'5 (~165cm) while his dad looks 5'7 (170cm) (https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/daniel-radcliffe-family-father-Alan-George-Radcliffe.jpg).
Bonus pics of Bill Gates and his parents.
- 1. (https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/gates37_1461238408.jpg)
- 2. (https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/gates38_1461238570.jpg)
- 3. (https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/gates36_1461238273.jpg)
I also hope this helps put an end to the bs I see keep being posted on these forums as to how taller people = being from wealthier and "nobler" "bloodlines". No, height is just a genetic trait like any other.
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Radcliffe's mother is Jewish while his dad isn't, so you can figure where he got his height from.
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Radcliffe's mother is Jewish while his dad isn't, so you can figure where he got his height from.
I knew she was Jewish, but are Jews known for being shorter in Europe? I thought the average in Israel was around 176cm for males.
His mother doesn't even look (https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/daniel-radcliffe-parents-mother-Marcia-Gresham.jpg) that short, either. She looks like she's around 160cm. It seems he just got screwed by genetics.
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Found out that Daniel Radcliffe is shorter than his father. He's 5'5 (~165cm) while his dad looks 5'7 (170cm) (https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/daniel-radcliffe-family-father-Alan-George-Radcliffe.jpg).
Bonus pics of Bill Gates and his parents.
- 1. (https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/gates37_1461238408.jpg)
- 2. (https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/gates38_1461238570.jpg)
- 3. (https://images.successstory.com/img_people/family/620Xauto/gates36_1461238273.jpg)
I also hope this helps put an end to the bs I see keep being posted on these forums as to how taller people = being from wealthier and "nobler" "bloodlines". No, height is just a genetic trait like any other.
Great post! I included them in my list.
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This was the father of James Franco, who's an actor. Does it looks like this dad was taller than both his sons?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/05/article-0-0E3BBB3000000578-246_468x334.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045411/James-Francos-father-Doug-passes-away-aged-63.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045411/James-Francos-father-Doug-passes-away-aged-63.html)
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This was the father of James Franco, who's an actor. Does it looks like this dad was taller than both his sons?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/05/article-0-0E3BBB3000000578-246_468x334.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045411/James-Francos-father-Doug-passes-away-aged-63.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045411/James-Francos-father-Doug-passes-away-aged-63.html)
3 sons not 2. Dont forget dave franco. ;)
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This was the father of James Franco, who's an actor. Does it looks like this dad was taller than both his sons?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/05/article-0-0E3BBB3000000578-246_468x334.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045411/James-Francos-father-Doug-passes-away-aged-63.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2045411/James-Francos-father-Doug-passes-away-aged-63.html)
Probably not really, beause his father is much closer to the camera. He might still be taller by 0.5" than James.
But he looks like in his 60, so I don't know...
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Father is clearly taller, this slight difference in proximity to the camera wouldn't make much of a difference. The father's age would have contributed to shrinking, so he would have also been taller at James' age.
Not hard to believe considering how short the mother is (5'2" according to IMDB), and odds are that she's wearing heels with her dress. Being 5'11", James did great.
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George P Bush (Jeb Bush's son) and his father:
(https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AP_720892171177.jpg)
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1421317.1394468420!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/bush-dynasty.jpg)
He still did stellar when you consider how short his mother even is. 153cm or 5 feet, apparently.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/18/16/2B77B5E000000578-3202381-image-m-8_1439911950421.jpg)
(http://starschanges.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Columba-Bush-_1-1.jpg)
(http://c7.alamy.com/comp/ED9D7H/george-p-bush-parents-columba-and-jeb-l-and-wife-amanda-r-at-bushs-ED9D7H.jpg)
(http://c7.alamy.com/comp/ED9C5J/george-p-bush-parents-columba-and-jeb-l-and-wife-amanda-r-at-bushs-ED9C5J.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/18/17/2B77B5DA00000578-3202381-image-a-16_1439916709929.jpg)
Interestingly, they seem to have the same sitting height:
(http://blog.ilgiornale.it/sacchelli/files/2015/01/Jeb_Bush_George_P_Bush1.jpg)
So most of Jeb's height should come from his legs. That is despite Jeb being allegedly 6'3 (190cm) and George being allegedly 5'9 (175cm).
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You can also notice Jeb seems to have short arms for his height.
Or, you know, don't. Some people have them, and some do not.
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I'm reading that Rory John Gates is only 5'5 tall (~165cm). What the fxck. How can that be possible? His father is ~176cm and his mother is 168cm. Bill Gates is already 20cm shorter than his father.
Websites must be giving Rory's height from when he was younger or something.
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I'm reading that Rory John Gates is only 5'5 tall (~165cm). What the fxck. How can that be possible? His father is ~176cm and his mother is 168cm. Bill Gates is already 20cm shorter than his father.
Websites must be giving Rory's height from when he was younger or something.
(http://ans-wer.com/uploads/gallery/topic_1518537864/rory-gates-with-his-family.jpg)
This is Rory at what I'm guessing is 15, and by his face and overall development it looks like he's gonna probably grow another 3-4 inches... Note Bill probably has an inch of sneakers on him as well, Bill is 5'10 and he is nearly as tall as him..
This seems to be a more recent photo of him
(http://i1.wp.com/inews.gtimg.com/newsapp_match/0/2358143994/0)
Looks 5'10 or so to me.
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(http://ans-wer.com/uploads/gallery/topic_1518537864/rory-gates-with-his-family.jpg)
This is Rory at what I'm guessing is 15, and by his face and overall development it looks like he's gonna probably grow another 3-4 inches... Note Bill probably has an inch of sneakers on him as well, Bill is 5'10 and he is nearly as tall as him..
This seems to be a more recent photo of him
(http://i1.wp.com/inews.gtimg.com/newsapp_match/0/2358143994/0)
Looks 5'10 or so to me.
Too bad Americans don't use metric. But you're absolutely right. That's not 5'5 at all. And yeah, despite the fact that I stopped growing at 16, he still looks like he's gonna grow until 21 or something.
Bill Gates is allegedly 176.5cm, which is just under 5'10. Going by that, Rory looks about 176cm~175.5cm in the first pic.
I had seen the second pic, but it made me very confused, as his mother is leaning so much.
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Not father and son, but I find it interesting that Julia Roberts (5'8") (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Julia-Roberts-2.html) is only an inch shorter than his brother Eric Roberts (5'9") (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Eric-Roberts-1038.html)
(http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2018031/rs_634x1024-180131075902-634.Eric-Roberts-Julia-Roberts-JR-013118.jpg?fit=inside|900:auto&output-quality=100)
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Not father and son, but I find it interesting that Julia Roberts (5'8") (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Julia-Roberts-2.html) is only an inch shorter than his brother Eric Roberts (5'9") (https://www.celebheights.com/s/Eric-Roberts-1038.html)
George W. Bush is just under 6 feet, while his brother, Jeb, is 6'3, as we've mentioned before.
EDIT: 182cm vs 190cm, in metric.
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I'll add James Brolin whose peak height was 6ft 3 (190.5 cm) and his son Josh Brolin 5ft 9 ½ (176.5 cm)
(http://images.closerweekly.com/uploads/images/file/32455/josh-brolin-james-brolin.jpg?fit=crop&w=720)
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I'll add James Brolin whose peak height was 6ft 3 (190.5 cm) and his son Josh Brolin 5ft 9 ½ (176.5 cm)
(http://images.closerweekly.com/uploads/images/file/32455/josh-brolin-james-brolin.jpg?fit=crop&w=720)
Funny how it doesn't even seem like a 14cm difference. Honestly, from 175~176cm and on, it appears to me you'll never look short-short in a picture. 190cm guys aren't too common, and James Brolin doesn't look "dwarfed" there. He looks completely fine.
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Yeah, he never struck me as short even when with tall characters. He also have a decent physique and macho look so he's a clear pick for a "tough guy" in movies.
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Yeah, he never struck me as short even when with tall characters. He also have a decent physique and macho look so he's a clear pick for a "tough guy" in movies.
I mean, as much as we like tall here, in my mind, there's a clear reason why the ancient Greeks didn't sculpt super tall twigs when making their statues. Or if you think what I'm saying is bs and I'm reaching far, the fact that most Mr. Olympia BB winners were under 6 feet.
I don't know. I think you can get some of the best proportions in a man at 176~182cm (5'9.5~5'11.5).
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By the way, François Hollande (the recent former president of France) is 5'7.
Is anyone here good at estimating heights based on pictures?
François as a baby and his parents.
(http://www.lepoint.fr/images/2012/05/09/571680-jpg_392329_1000x667.jpg)
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(http://www.lepoint.fr/images/2012/05/09/571705-jpg_392332_1000x667.jpg)
François at 22.
Source in French. (http://www.lepoint.fr/politique/francois-hollande-les-images-d-une-vie-09-05-2012-1459780_20.php) (I know we have French speakers here.)
Either his father was short, or Hollande (of all surnames...) only grew up to his parents' heights. His mother looks almost the same height as his father.
By the way, apparently he had an older brother (RIP (http://www.jazzradio.fr/news/radio/33801/le-saxophoniste-philippe-hollande-est-decede)):
(http://www.jazzradio.fr/media/news/thumb/870x489_franois-hollande-un-homme-sans-sduction-sans-charisme-selon-franoise-hardy-600x267.jpg)
Philippe was shorter than François, who is, again, 5'7.
"François Hollande was born on 12 August 1954 in Rouen. His mother, Nicole Frédérique Marguerite Tribert (1927–2009), was a social worker, and his father, Georges Gustave Hollande (born 1923), is a retired ear, nose, and throat doctor." I found it interesting they were from Rouen, but still not tall or closer to the official French average.
Also, interestingly, Macron is only an inch taller, at 5'8.
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Although I don't know for sure, it's possible that Tom Hardy is a bit shorter than his father Chips Hardy.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8a/90/f6/8a90f63fd74c86d8cc9845f89b43eae0.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b0/59/23/b05923ffbbfd1e167852d326930595bf.jpg)
Could be the angle.
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Bruce, can you find pictures of the Roosmalen and his father?
And honestly, most of the pics are nice to see genetics at work, but most also haven't been under 5'9.
This hurts to look at.
(http://cdn23.us1.fansshare.com/photos/scottcaan/sc-james-caan-1084835352.jpg)
Weirdest thing is that people say Jews are shorter than European average (avg being same as the one in Portugal/Spain/North Africa), but his Jewish side is his father's side.
It can work the other way too. I know people who have short parents but they end up being tall.
Since this thread was first created, I believe I have researched enough about height to think most of these cases were by parents who themselves never reached their genetic height potential. However, it could always be some variant SNPs from a 6'1 grandfather randomly appearing again in a grandson.
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Okay, going on the opposite direction now.
Mike Shinoda, significantly taller than his Japanese father.
(https://fotologimg.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/15/59/35/carolalp/1266610662864_f.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/50/fb/6950fbd346082bd9d940ea01693ac52c.jpg)
Father looks just under 170cm, mother might be one or two centimeters taller.
Mike is 180cm (5'11).
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Okay, going on the opposite direction now.
Mike Shinoda, significantly taller than his Japanese father.
(https://fotologimg.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/15/59/35/carolalp/1266610662864_f.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/50/fb/6950fbd346082bd9d940ea01693ac52c.jpg)
Father looks just under 170cm, mother might be one or two centimeters taller.
Mike is 180cm (5'11).
Once again, he looks a little over 4 inches taller than his mom. That's what is expected.
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Bruce, can you find pictures of the Roosmalen and his father?
And honestly, most of the pics are nice to see genetics at work, but most also haven't been under 5'9.
This hurts to look at.
(http://cdn23.us1.fansshare.com/photos/scottcaan/sc-james-caan-1084835352.jpg)
Weirdest thing is that people say Jews are shorter than European average (avg being same as the one in Portugal/Spain/North Africa), but his Jewish side is his father's side.
Since this thread was first created, I believe I have researched enough about height to think most of these cases were by parents who themselves never reached their genetic height potential. However, it could always be some variant SNPs from a 6'1 grandfather randomly appearing again in a grandson.
Yes, I can easily.
(https://scontent-sit4-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/d0f45c9cc216299479061d9afd83cee3/5B6E6B2B/t51.2885-15/e35/28753145_1769534696435174_2096117123335061504_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-sit4-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/63d0b5cb601adc71521c566e9a3b511d/5B5233E3/t51.2885-15/e35/26272205_590065151335900_8650093327036710912_n.jpg)
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Yes, I can easily.
(https://scontent-sit4-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/d0f45c9cc216299479061d9afd83cee3/5B6E6B2B/t51.2885-15/e35/28753145_1769534696435174_2096117123335061504_n.jpg)
(https://scontent-sit4-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/63d0b5cb601adc71521c566e9a3b511d/5B5233E3/t51.2885-15/e35/26272205_590065151335900_8650093327036710912_n.jpg)
Funny how his son being physically fit makes the massive difference seem more "normal". Of course, the difference would look ridiculous if his father was in his prime and still ripped.
Do you think you can find out pictures and/or the height of his mother?
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Funny how his son being physically fit makes the massive difference seem more "normal". Of course, the difference would look ridiculous if his father was in his prime and still ripped.
Do you think you can find out pictures and/or the height of his mother?
Yes, you can change weight easily and you can't change height.
He told me that his mother is small. The brother Nordin Van Roosmalen is only 5'9" himself.
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Yes, you can change weight easily and you can't change height.
He told me that his mother is small. The brother Nordin Van Roosmalen is only 5'9" himself.
5'9 is pretty good. He must have a ridiculously short mother (like Jeb's son) or very bad luck with the genetic lottery. Probably both.
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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/was-yao-ming-bred/
I think the author's estimation of heritability is off (granted, it's an article from 2010), there's a lot we still don't know about the genetics of height, but he almost certainly has a much better foundation on the topic than anyone here ("I hold degrees in biology and biochemistry from the University of Oregon, and am currently on leave from the University of California at Davis’ genetics Ph.D. program"). So it's interesting to see the formula and the approach he used to try and predict Yao Ming's expected height.
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James Brolin 6'3" and Josh Brolin 5'10" (5 inches difference!)
(https://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/james-brolin-fam-tvgm-1024x764.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/james-brolin-josh-brolin-24817325.jpg)
EDIT: Ops. Didn't realized he was mentioned on the 2nd page. But here are better pics.
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As you said in the other thread Bruce, once you're a certain height, height differences just don't look so brutal anymore. Yeah his dad is 6'3 and he's 5'10 but the difference between them doesn't even look that big and they both appear to be a respectable height. If he was 5'5 though and his dad was 5'10 I'm almost positive the picture would look very different.
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As you said in the other thread Bruce, once you're a certain height, height differences just don't look so brutal anymore. Yeah his dad is 6'3 and he's 5'10 but the difference between them doesn't even look that big and they both appear to be a respectable height. If he was 5'5 though and his dad was 5'10 I'm almost positive the picture would look very different.
They both respectable height, yes (Eventhough technically speaking his father is still superior height). But the difference is quite huge. Look at the 2nd pic.
Of course it's still way better than 5'10" and 5'5".
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https://www.imdb.com/list/ls025648441/
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Adding 5'9" John David Washington and 6' Denzel Washington
(https://mobile.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DwVkLubW0AUrlBn.jpg)
https://www.celebheights.com/s/John-David-Washington-50613.html
And 5'8" Robert Downey Jr. and 6'3" Robert Downey Sr.
(https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/robert-downey-jr-family-father-robert-downey-sr.jpg)
(https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/fp/Robert+Downey+Jr+Leaving+Trump+Soho+Hotel+8KbpbV3IET5x.jpg)
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The difference between Denzel and his dad looks miniscule.
Edit: Denzel and his son.
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The difference between Denzel and his dad looks miniscule.
You mean John David and his dad.
Yeah in the picture he's probably wearing lifts or his dad already shrunk a lot at 60.
But on paper he's 5'9" and his dad 5'6".
It should be noted that the mother is quite tall.
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Downey Jr. is an interesting case. It's inspiring to see a guy whose dad is a good chunk taller (although he doesn't look 6'3 even if Celebheights says so) come to Hollywood fame and enormous success, albeit good looks, talent and probably a lot of luck helped him achieve that. I searched for pics of his mother and she didn't even seem that short in her younger years, giving proof that sometimes, people just end up shorter than their dads even if their mothers weren't crazy short:
(https://bodyheightweight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/robert-downey-jr-family-mother-Elsie-Ann-Ford.jpg)
It's also quite hilarious in that regard that Downey Jr. is still being framed as a fat cat businessman who stands taller than his younger protege Peter Parker (played by Tom Holland) in the newer Spider Man films. Although lifts, which Downey has been known to wear often, probably assist him in that regard.
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Height does not only depend on your parents' height. I've met many short men who had tall sons. Sometimes,you can get the genes of tall/short people from your family.
For ex: Someone may have short parents but if his mom's dad(grandfather) was tall, he may get his grandfather's genes by chance and end up tall too.
Similarly, you can end up short even if your parents are tall.(Although chance of this happening is pretty low)