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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: backrandom on November 25, 2017, 01:07:15 AM
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Europe is a big LL show right now. Most famous European doctors are having legal issues with former patients they neglected and got life-long complications and physical and emotional damage as a result. LL victims should create a platform to denounce and become stronger as a group. I'm talking to some of these patients in private and their stories are terrifying. In this forum you can see just the tip of the iceberg. Europe is definitely a big LL show. Wait and see.
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I'm very sad to hear that. I hope, in the interest of prospective patients, that they will someday feel comfortable enough to share their stories publicly, even if anonymously.
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@backrandom
Can you please explain your statement with more details? And is LL in other parts of the world different/the same/worse?
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PM me the surgeons,please? We should all be able to have access to information on who these folks your speaking about. If they're actually out here crippling people and nobody is speaking out about it due to fear then how will the next person be saved? Leg lengthening community has come too far to not provide info to future potential patients. This is very sad and I fear for everyone that isn't educated on quacks..
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Europe is a big LL crapshow right now. Most famous European doctors are having legal issues with former patients they neglected and got life-long complications and physical and emotional damage as a result. LL victims should create a platform to denounce and become stronger as a group. I'm talking to some of these patients in private and their stories are terrifying. In this forum you can see just the tip of the iceberg. Europe is definitely a big LL crapshow. Wait and see.
you cant post something without proof.
Name the doctors if you are actually serious.
If so, why are there no diaries of these life long complications and physical damage from these "famous European surgeons"
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Guichet
Betz
Catagni/Pili
I mean there's not a lot of "famous european surgeons"
In the interest of not having people get crippled you really need to give us more information.
You can easily say what's going on without violating the privacy of the patients
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For external tibia Pili/Catagni and internal femur Monegal seem like world class options tbh. At least from what I read in the legit diaries.
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For external tibia Pili/Catagni and internal femur Monegal seem like world class options tbh. At least from what I read in the legit diaries.
Some people do say a lot of negative things about him, but I feel like he is a decent surgeon.
He does two-stage internal femur lengthening which is a very conservative approach to lessen the risks of fat embolism.
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I have heard pretty good about Pili/Catagni , in fact, there is not much negative stuff going around them so I believe they must be good although I've never met them.
Monegal, on the other hand, has been more heavily criticised (mostly by fake accounts) but he is pretty good as well. As his current patient I have found my LL a good experience (first leg), yet some pain and uncomfort during the first three weeks.
Guitchet has done so many surgeries, most of them, I believe, successful but I am under the impression he is a bit greedy and unsupportive when a patient runs into trouble.
Betz, I have not seen many diaries.
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you cant post something without proof.
Name the doctors if you are actually serious.
If so, why are there no diaries of these life long complications and physical damage from these "famous European surgeons"
Oh the irony. The idiot that made an ass out of himself accusing another member is saying this. All because he is in denial that everyone thinks he is mentally unstable to want to do 3 cm lengthening.
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I think Catagni only treats patients with "constitutional short stature", meaning a naturally short height (think it's anything <165cm). I don't think he takes patients above that.
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backrandom is a Monegal troll. everything that he says is slander and have lacking of evidence/proofs
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Oh the irony. The idiot that made an ass out of himself accusing another member is saying this. All because he is in denial that everyone thinks he is mentally unstable to want to do 3 cm lengthening.
I have to agree that to undergo to LL to gain only 3 cm is madness because 3 cm you can gain with correct posture and 2 cm lifts,no one will perceive it. If you go to the risk and spend a lot of money ,go for enough reason .
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The doctors I'm talking about are Betz and Guichet. They have been really mean to patients. Monegal has also bad cases but he hasn't been taken to court Yet. I'm in touch with many patients here and the only information about Monegal being sued comes from a Lluser troll. In the cases of Betz and Guichet I know this from expatients.
This bander72 should be banned because he is a clone account of deniscef to impersonate a genuine user of this forum: bander72. He also impersonated me in the past and created an account called backrandon. He is wrong because I'm not attacking Monegal. I am attacking fake users here and lunatic people like deniscef himself.
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The doctors I'm talking about are Betz and Guichet.
Then I think that the thread title should be more specific, because there are many other doctors in Europe.
Also, considering that Paley has also been sued, I guess we should start a thread titled "USA is a big LL crapshow right now". Take the problems some patients had in India and Armenia and start a similar thread for Asia... and we would ended up thinking that the whole world is a "LL crapshow" right now.
Finally, I think that we should be very cautious about labeling a doctor as "bad" just because a patient complains about him. Some days ago someone said that this forum is much less deluded than the old forum because we are more aware of bad outcomes. IMO that is partially false, because it seems to me that we are always willing to believe the patient's version of his/her LL outcome without knowing the doctor's version. And it's more than probable that some "bad outcomes" are actually the patient's fault (for example, early weight-bearing without the doctor's approval, or smoking during the lengthening phase).
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Then I think that the thread title should be more specific, because there are many other doctors in Europe.
Also, considering that Paley has also been sued, I guess we should start a thread titled "USA is a big LL crapshow right now". Take the problems some patients had in India and Armenia and start a similar thread for Asia... and we would ended up thinking that the whole world is a "LL crapshow" right now.
Finally, I think that we should be very cautious about labeling a doctor as "bad" just because a patient complains about him. Some days ago someone said that this forum is much less deluded than the old forum because we are more aware of bad outcomes. IMO that is partially false, because it seems to me that we are always willing to believe the patient's version of his/her LL outcome without knowing the doctor's version. And it's more than probable that some "bad outcomes" are actually the patient's fault (for example, early weight-bearing without the doctor's approval, or smoking during the lengthening phase).
That's a terrible attitude to have, some people like me listened to his doctor and gave him multiple chances with surgeries and still had a bad result. That's the reason a lot of people don't write reviews and just move on with their lives
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That's a terrible attitude to have, some people like me listened to his doctor and gave him multiple chances with surgeries and still had a bad result. That's the reason a lot of people don't write reviews and just move on with their lives
What happened to you?
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That's a terrible attitude to have, some people like me listened to his doctor and gave him multiple chances with surgeries and still had a bad result. That's the reason a lot of people don't write reviews and just move on with their lives
So listening to both sides in a discussion/argument/story is a terrible attitude?
Of course there are many bad outcomes caused by doctors (I never said otherwise, check my post). And I'm not talking about your case, which I don't know (or don't remember). What I say is that "bad outcomes" stories should be taken with the same caution than those with good outcomes. Do you remember that "girl" who posted a "horror story" about Dr. Monegal late this summer (including accusations of molestation and physical abuse)? Some members here believed her (and called her "brave" lol) even though it was more than evident that "her" story was ludicrously false.
The examples I gave (weight-bearing without the doctor's approval, or smoking during LL process) have happened before (witnessed by other patients) and could easily cause a bad outcome. If that was the case, would the patient be honest enough to admit his fault? Maybe, or maybe not.
Good luck with your recovery (if it is still ongoing)
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Europe is a big LL crapshow right now. Most famous European doctors are having legal issues with former patients they neglected and got life-long complications and physical and emotional damage as a result. LL victims should create a platform to denounce and become stronger as a group. I'm talking to some of these patients in private and their stories are terrifying. In this forum you can see just the tip of the iceberg. Europe is definitely a big LL crapshow. Wait and see.
Absolutely correct. Most European countries have very bad patient protection in case of malpractice. Doctors in those countries can get away with almost anything.
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Absolutely correct. Most European countries have very bad patient protection in case of malpractice. Doctors in those countries can get away with almost anything.
Sad to hear. Europe, specially the EU, tends to be so much better about things like that.
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Absolutely correct. Most European countries have very bad patient protection in case of malpractice. Doctors in those countries can get away with almost anything.
Sure,better going to Vietnam,India and Pakistan
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If you go to a European doctor for LL you are a f*cking clueless human being!
Monegal is a perverted quack who intimidates, sleeps with, and cripples his patients.
Guichet is a money hungry, self aggrandizing, sociopath, who cripples his patients.
Catagani lengthens your tibias 8cm or more. Tells you not to worry, Achilles tendon lengthening is no big deal. Meanwhile you actually end up a cripple.
Betz uses a popsicle stick for a nail that he markets as fully weightbearing, but always breaks. Always! Forcing his patients to spend tens of thousands of extra dollars for a new stronger nail. While still ending up as cripples.
None of this is surprising. Europe itself is in a death spiral with their failed attempt at a continent wide Union and their suicidal immigration policies. Good bye Europe, nice knowing you.
Soon welcome the Islamic States of Eurabia....
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If you go to a European doctor for LL you are a f*cking clueless human being!
Monegal is a perverted quack who intimidates, sleeps with, and cripples his patients.
Guichet is a money hungry, self aggrandizing, sociopath, who cripples his patients.
Catagani lengthens your tibias 8cm or more. Tells you not to worry, Achilles tendon lengthening is no big deal. Meanwhile you actually end up a cripple.
Betz uses a popsicle stick for a nail that he markets as fully weightbearing, but always breaks. Always! Forcing his patients to spend tens of thousands of extra dollars for a new stronger nail. While still ending up as cripples.
None of this is surprising. Europe itself is in a death spiral with their failed attempt at a continent wide Union and their suicidal immigration policies. Good bye Europe, nice knowing you.
Soon welcome the Islamic States of Eurabia....
You're exactly right pops.
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You're exactly right pops.
Do you also say "bless you" to yourself after you sneeze?
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Do you also say "bless you" to yourself after you sneeze?
I do, how did you know smartass?
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I do, how did you know smartass?
Just my intuition, freak
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Monegal has legal issues too. In America he would have already lost his license. Crippling people, imposing fake PT, inappropriate comments about patients and non respect of their privacy... Helloworld wanted to sue Wittenstein because his nail failed. Many nails have failed in other patients too like Musicmaker. They should sue together.
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LL started in Europe. In fact, doctors like Baumgart were already lenghtening bones when Paley or Rozbruch weren't still in medical school.
Among the new wave of European surgeons there is one who excels above the rest. That's why he has haters, like many other celebs. The trolls try to bash him once and again, but this doctor has been named instructor, and awarded a special recognition by Wittenstein this year. Has he got complications? Yes, like all doctors who perform this procedure. You have two options in this case: a) running away after surgery and never coming back again; or b) trust your doctor and eventually recover, like MM
Lawsuits? Your beloved Paley has active lawsuits (https://www.google.es/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-doctor-dror-paley-20160318-story,amp.html) but Dr Monegal has never been sued, as far as I know.
My dear troll, at some point you used Unicorn's case to attack Monegal and defend Guichet. I must tell you that MM is walking and working right now while Unicorn is still recovering. I hope some day NHS doctors will make Unicorn heal as well as Dr Monegal did with MM.
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Hi Monegal Nice to read you again
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Hi Lluser. Nice try, but I'm not Monegal.
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Just my intuition, freak
The great tibike thinks I'm a freak. I guess life's over for me.
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The great tibike thinks I'm a freak. I guess life's over for me.
If your life is so sad that it makes you comment the way you do on an LL forum, than in your case its better to have it ended rather than continued... Must suck to be you
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If your life is so sad that it makes you comment the way you do on an LL forum, than in your case its better to have it ended rather than continued... Must suck to be you
Must suck to sound like you have something up you're ass all the time. This forum draws in the odd people and you are not a exception. You always have to be the expert on things when you're not always right. You're smartass remarks to other users not including me and you try to tell me about how I conduct myself in the forum lol.
I guess I should be positive in diaries like the recent Vietnam one, where someone did qaudilateral with full externals.....
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The monegal battles are upon us again. Who will give up first this time is a mystery.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFBdWBp0NE
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I wish there was more info on Pili when it comes to internal femur with precice. I know that he has been trained by Catagni, which is a good thing, and that he's work on tibia patients been very good from diaries ive read. I just hope he is good with internal femurs, if so, then he might be the only safe option in Europe.
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I find it absolutely hilarious just how f*cking stupid people are. I genuinely laugh at people's ignorance and bad decision making. There are proven experiences of people LITERALLY being crippled by all these different quack European doctors, except Baumgart, yet there is a line around the corner of worthless losers just waiting to be their next victim. All because these low life vermin want to save money or lengthen more than 8cm.
If you go to any of these butchers in Europe, except Baumgart, your dumb ass deserves to be crippled, I only wish that you would also be sterilized.
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Dr. Sarcastic if you have a bad case by Pili, please share. I agree though that you should never do 8 cm in tibias, thats just crazy. Even though he does 8 cm in tibias, i havnt found a bad case by him. But as i said earlier, there isnt many diaries about Pili surgeries.
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Must suck to sound like you have something up you're ass all the time. This forum draws in the odd people and you are not a exception. You always have to be the expert on things when you're not always right. You're smartass remarks to other users not including me and you try to tell me about how I conduct myself in the forum lol.
I guess I should be positive in diaries like the recent Vietnam one, where someone did qaudilateral with full externals.....
Dude, its been years you have been on the forum under different usernames.. I got it that you want to feel better by talking other people down... While I am with you about the stupidity of people going to third world countries or even believing the super good outcomes that are written in the fake diaries posted by those third world clinics, your behavior in this forum is just sad
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Dude, its been years you have been on the forum under different usernames.. I got it that you want to feel better by talking other people down... While I am with you about the stupidity of people going to third world countries or even believing the super good outcomes that are written in the fake diaries posted by those third world clinics, your behavior in this forum is just sad
When did you become a forum administrator to know? You talk out of your ass that I am the other sarcastic when you have no idea in reality, just as I wrote always wanting to be right. To me that is sad. So don't play pretend psychiatrist that understands what a random stranger online is thinking, unless you developed the ability to read minds.
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When did you become a forum administrator to know? You talk out of your ass that I am the other sarcastic when you have no idea in reality, just as I wrote always wanting to be right. To me that is sad. So don't play pretend psychiatrist that understands what a random stranger online is thinking, unless you developed the ability to read minds.
Seems mister successfull got butt hurt.... Owww..
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C'mon guys no need to argue. We can all agree that their is a lot stupidity in the forum. With all the goofy crap that is written here, I think sarcastic behaviour is the least concerning.
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Seems mister successfull got butt hurt.... Owww..
Butt hurt, for saying the truth, not a chance.
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You're exactly right pops.
Why you care about people that you a'int known? If their are stupid and want to proceed with these doctors it is not your problem ,think about it ,smartass.
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Dr. Sarcastic if you have a bad case by Pili, please share. I agree though that you should never do 8 cm in tibias, thats just crazy. Even though he does 8 cm in tibias, i havnt found a bad case by him. But as i said earlier, there isnt many diaries about Pili surgeries.
dr pilli is a great choice for external ll. dont know bout internal tho