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Title: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 28, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
Hi all, today is 13 days after my surgeon and I want to reach 11.5 cm ideally. What do you suggest to me to better achieve this for tibia?

Doctors: Ghassan Salameh and Schmidt
Device: Salamehfix

Later I will explain you why I choose this doc and the device. So let's the journey begin
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: RealTrump on December 28, 2017, 05:31:31 PM
With all the information that you have on this forum.. you've decided to do 11.5cm on your tibias?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Zeo on December 28, 2017, 06:07:37 PM
So let the journey begin

Let the journey begin indeed
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on December 28, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
11.5cm is way too much for a single segment. Excuse my bluntness, but did the doctors not say anything about that to you?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 28, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
Yes the doctor tells me that it's ambitious and that we will see. But what I want to know is that if I start to stretch a lot, to exercise a lot will it be possible to do as smoothly as possible. What can be the LONG term consequences for me. In my old days, I don't want to be disabled because of my today's choice!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Beastmode1234 on December 28, 2017, 08:27:41 PM
Yes the doctor tells me that it's ambitious and that we will see. But what I want to know is that if I start to stretch a lot, to exercise a lot will it be possible to do as smoothly as possible. What can be the LONG term consequences for me. In my old days, I don't want to be disabled because of my today's choice!

Even a lot of the guys who have done 7cm on their tibias seem to be having difficulties long after their surgery
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Android on December 28, 2017, 09:22:18 PM
Hey Jackson, congrats on your surgery. Thanks for choosing to share your journey with us.

Your goal being labeled ambitious is an understatement, luckily you have time to figure out how much you actually want to lengthen. We all want to be as tall as possible, but don't take for granted two working legs.

Tell us more about yourself, what's your current height? Which region are you from? Where and how much was the procedure?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Body Builder on December 28, 2017, 11:44:41 PM
11.5 cm on tibias means that you'll never walk unaided again because you should lengthen your achilles tendons at least 3 cm which means that you'll be so weak to even stand.

I really can't believe how doctors lying to patients just to take their money.
Any normal doctor would have said to you that anything more than 6.5cm on tibias is risky and anything more than 8cm means permanent disability. 11.5cm is a joke even for femurs.

Anyway, go for 7cm or don't wonder why you got disabled. Your target means that you have no idea what LL is and you'll be lucky if you don't end up a cripple.
I hope Salameh don't let you lengthen as much as you want and behave you professionally, although now he don't tell you the truth only to take your money.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jexus on December 29, 2017, 08:19:21 AM
11.5 cm on tibias means that you'll never walk unaided again because you should lengthen your achilles tendons at least 3 cm which means that you'll be so weak to even stand.

I really can't believe how doctors lying to patients just to take their money.
Any normal doctor would have said to you that anything more than 6.5cm on tibias is risky and anything more than 8cm means permanent disability. 11.5cm is a joke even for femurs.

Anyway, go for 7cm or don't wonder why you got disabled. Your target means that you have no idea what LL is and you'll be lucky if you don't end up a cripple.
I hope Salameh don't let you lengthen as much as you want and behave you professionally, although now he don't tell you the truth only to take your money.

He is completely right and even if you do 11,5 on one segment it will look really weird and ugly.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 29, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
OK got it but I have read a lot on this site and found that some have done 8 to 10 cm so I don't understand why my case will be different? I'm from Europa. I hesitate between Russia and Germany long time but one of the reason I choose Dr Salameh is to avoid visa issues. In fact if something goes wrong AND ALSO we have to worry about visa etc., this can quickly turn to nightmare...
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 29, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
An update of my state, I'm at home since last Wednesday. Yesterday I was very bad due to pain I feel from one pin on the left leg. I bought antibacterial powder and the wound seems to be fine now but the pain is still there when I try to bend or unbend my feet. Standing is fine, completely bent is fine but the in-between is painful, I don't know why... I still take painkillers to be fine or to be able to sleep.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on December 29, 2017, 09:06:27 PM
Do you mind telling us your starting height? No need to be specific, if you don't feel comfortable. Just mention a range.

And there hasn't been a single case of someone who did a huge number on tibias and was fine afterwards. Remember you can't get two new legs if things go wrong. Just start saving for femurs afterwards.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 29, 2017, 09:44:43 PM
My starting height is 168.5 cm sorry
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 29, 2017, 09:47:52 PM
Do you mind telling us your starting height? No need to be specific, if you don't feel comfortable. Just mention a range.

And there hasn't been a single case of someone who did a huge number on tibias and was fine afterwards. Remember you can't get two new legs if things go wrong. Just start saving for femurs afterwards.

So if I lower my goal to 8.5 cm to have a final height of 177 cm, is this acceptable ?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on December 29, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
So if I lower my goal to 8.5 cm to have a final height of 177 cm, is this acceptable ?

Most LL doctors find it risky to go over 6/5cm in tibias.

I'm not a doctor or have gone through LL, so I can't give you advice like that. I can just say that all LL is risky, that it is very risky to do big numbers on tibias, and that you should check some diaries like Bigfaker's (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3454.0) to see what some scary, but very possible prospects could look like if things go the wrong way. Most people here seem to think 5cm is the "safer limit" as far as something as radical and dangerous as tibial LL goes.

You can always save more money in the future for femurs, as long as you are still able to walk to work.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Body Builder on December 30, 2017, 12:12:39 AM
OK got it but I have read a lot on this site and found that some have done 8 to 10 cm so I don't understand why my case will be different? I'm from Europa. I hesitate between Russia and Germany long time but one of the reason I choose Dr Salameh is to avoid visa issues. In fact if something goes wrong AND ALSO we have to worry about visa etc., this can quickly turn to nightmare...
Tell me one user here that did 10cm on tibias.
I don't know anyone.
Only a few did about 8cm with atl on Catagni-Pili and their abilities are permanently been reduced a lot. If you want to lengthen 8.5 cm and walk like a cripple then yes, it is probable. 10 cm is not possible without terrible kinetic deficits.
You have a relatively good starting height (like mine), with 7cm you'll be probably ok and have a respectable height .
So lessen your expectations or be ready for a second LL. There is no other real option.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on January 01, 2018, 07:01:03 PM
OK thank you for your advice. I will go for 7 cm. Did you take sleep tablet when lengthening? I realize that without pain killers 3 to 4x a day and sleep tablets, it's very difficult for me at least now to manage LL...
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on January 01, 2018, 07:47:14 PM
Stop before you think you reached your goal if you start feeling like it is being/going to be too much for your body to handle or if your doctor thinks you're risking nonunion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonunion). Everyone's case is unique, and people talk about 5cm being the safe limit (though even with that, all LL is risky in and of itself). Remember to not risk the whole rest of your life because you're obsessed with a specific number.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on January 02, 2018, 12:36:22 PM
Guys, an update. I'm only at 2 weeks and 2 days from the surgery. And this morning I have been able to go to work with difficulties and help of a parent and pain killer. This was my main fear, can I go to work?! Yes I can. OK I fall down 2 times, one is due to subway closing before I can get out (I appreciated people coming as fast as possible to help me) and the second when going down on a stair (5 steps :-)).
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: mabuchristu on January 31, 2018, 10:48:27 PM
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Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: mabuchristu on January 31, 2018, 10:49:31 PM
Tell me one user here that did 10cm on tibias.
I don't know anyone.
Only a few did about 8cm with atl on Catagni-Pili and their abilities are permanently been reduced a lot. If you want to lengthen 8.5 cm and walk like a cripple then yes, it is probable. 10 cm is not possible without terrible kinetic deficits.
You have a relatively good starting height (like mine), with 7cm you'll be probably ok and have a respectable height .
So lessen your expectations or be ready for a second LL. There is no other real option.


Where do you know all this? When did you do your LL?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 01, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
Update:
I stopped working in mid-January because it's becoming hard and hard to sleep and to go to work. Now I have serious knee bent and I'm only at 3.5cm. I also have pain in my right leg at the fibula cut area. If someone can tell me how to attach an image so you will give me your feedback about it. The cut seems very weird! i think my pain comes from that.
Thank you for reading my diary
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Jim_dabarber on February 01, 2018, 03:21:25 PM
Update:
I stopped working in mid-January because it's becoming hard and hard to sleep and to go to work. Now I have serious knee bent and I'm only at 3.5cm. I also have pain in my right leg at the fibula cut area. If someone can tell me how to attach an image so you will give me your feedback about it. The cut seems very weird! i think my pain comes from that.
Thank you for reading my diary
I started having knee pain when bending my knee on tibia side at around 3cm and was only able to lengthen till 4cm because it just kept getting worse and i started getting ballerina. The pain your expereiencing at front of shin near cut site is most likely nerve pain damage. I had that also. Can i ask what your initial starting height is? Trying to reach 11cm will be very painful and not safe at all.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on February 01, 2018, 03:36:32 PM
Update:
I stopped working in mid-January because it's becoming hard and hard to sleep and to go to work. Now I have serious knee bent and I'm only at 3.5cm. I also have pain in my right leg at the fibula cut area. If someone can tell me how to attach an image so you will give me your feedback about it. The cut seems very weird! i think my pain comes from that.
Thank you for reading my diary

Press ctrl +f on your keyboard and write "attachments", then click that. Then look for the "Browse..." button. You can attach files to your post through that. However, it never seems to work for some reason (for me, at least; I've seen it working for others). I'd recommend making an account on imgur.com (so you can delete the images later; you'll lose control over them without an account) and uploading the images there if the forums don't work.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jexus on February 01, 2018, 03:45:58 PM
I was around your height when I started.
Do 7 cm maximum.
Even 6-6,5 will change a lot.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 01, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
I started having knee pain when bending my knee on tibia side at around 3cm and was only able to lengthen till 4cm because it just kept getting worse and i started getting ballerina. The pain your expereiencing at front of shin near cut site is most likely nerve pain damage. I had that also. Can i ask what your initial starting height is? Trying to reach 11cm will be very painful and not safe at all.

My initial height is 168.5cm. My goal is now 6.5-7 cm max. Did you recover from nerve damage? If yes how?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 01, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Press ctrl +f on your keyboard and write "attachments", then click that. Then look for the "Browse..." button. You can attach files to your post through that. However, it never seems to work for some reason (for me, at least; I've seen it working for others). I'd recommend making an account on imgur.com (so you can delete the images later; you'll lose control over them without an account) and uploading the images there if the forums don't work.

I've tried attachment but it doesn't work. OK I will create a account on imgur.com
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 01, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
My right leg image which is painfull at the fibula cut area
Please what do you think about this image
(https://imgur.com/qCgkO1Q)
https://imgur.com/qCgkO1Q (https://imgur.com/qCgkO1Q)

My left leg:
(https://imgur.com/9sz6kJT)
https://imgur.com/9sz6kJT (https://imgur.com/9sz6kJT)
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 03, 2018, 01:34:24 PM
Any update please?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Frost on February 03, 2018, 05:48:47 PM
I've seen a good amount of limb lengthening x rays and although the bone at that spot looks "shattered" its "normal in my opinion" with LL ( I lengthened 6.5 external fixation device. actually am doing correction now) from my experience pain comes and goes at almost every spot on the body. Do you have any swelling at that spot? redness? or anything like that? do you take any pain medications? how much do you walk per day? of course you are still using crutches?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Penguinn on February 03, 2018, 05:57:14 PM
I had sort of a very slight shatter like break on the left femur but it healed totally fine because bone wasn't lost. Your alignment seems good too and if there's callus, it shouldn't matter how clean the cut was. This is purely based off second hand knowledge, I'm no doctor.

Also do NOT do 11.5cms on your tibias. There's no way you come out of that close to normal, and your proportions are going to look downright comical.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 04, 2018, 11:08:23 AM
I've seen a good amount of limb lengthening x rays and although the bone at that spot looks "shattered" its "normal in my opinion" with LL ( I lengthened 6.5 external fixation device. actually am doing correction now) from my experience pain comes and goes at almost every spot on the body. Do you have any swelling at that spot? redness? or anything like that? do you take any pain medications? how much do you walk per day? of course you are still using crutches?

Thanks Frost for tour reply. I take painkiller the less possible. Let's say when the pain starts at this right leg but in general the pain is so strong that the pain killer has no effect. Only diclofenac can reduce it. When I move less I don't have that pain so now I don't walk. Next week I meet my doctors and we will see what's going on and how to manage it. Hope it's not very bad thing.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 04, 2018, 11:12:25 AM
I had sort of a very slight shatter like break on the left femur but it healed totally fine because bone wasn't lost. Your alignment seems good too and if there's callus, it shouldn't matter how clean the cut was. This is purely based off second hand knowledge, I'm no doctor.

Also do NOT do 11.5cms on your tibias. There's no way you come out of that close to normal, and your proportions are going to look downright comical.
Thanks Penguinn for your reply. I will limit myself to 6.5cm only. I don't want to do gastrocnemius surgery and I don't want long term side effect of LL. I hope 6.5 is a real safe limit. But now I have lost 35° of knee bent so I think things are going wrong for me... :-(
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 04, 2018, 12:07:21 PM

Thanks Frost for tour reply. I take painkiller the less possible. Let's say when the pain starts at this right leg but in general the pain is so strong that the pain killer has no effect. Only diclofenac can reduce it. When I move less I don't have that pain so now I don't walk. Next week I meet my doctors and we will see what's going on and how to manage it. Hope it's not very bad thing.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on February 04, 2018, 12:35:44 PM
Thanks Penguinn for your reply. I will limit myself to 6.5cm only. I don't want to do gastrocnemius surgery and I don't want long term side effect of LL. I hope 6.5 is a real safe limit. But now I have lost 35° of knee bent so I think things are going wrong for me... :-(

5cm is the quoted "safe" limit for tibial LL. Don't go over that if you want to stay relatively safe (nothing in LL is entirely safe; you just increase the chances of problems happening a lot more by lengthening more). Stop sooner too if you are getting problems and your doctor thinks it's better to.

I personally wouldn't do more than 5cm in my tibias and 6.5cm in my femurs. I wouldn't want to risk so much for an extra centimeter.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 04, 2018, 01:10:06 PM
5cm is the quoted "safe" limit for tibial LL. Don't go over that if you want to stay relatively safe (nothing in LL is entirely safe; you just increase the chances of problems happening a lot more by lengthening more). Stop sooner too if you are getting problems and your doctor thinks it's better to.

I personally wouldn't do more than 5cm in my tibias and 6.5cm in my femurs. I wouldn't want to risk so much for an extra centimeter.

I got it. But all these pains for only 5cm is that OK?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 15, 2018, 10:47:43 AM
Hello guys, I told you I have serious knee bent so I decided to come back to Germany. Now I'm doing exercises. But when I try to straighten my legs I feel huge pain at the medial collateral ligament. I want that my doctors do an MRI to see what's really going on...
I will appreciate your feedbacks.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on March 26, 2018, 03:31:04 AM
How have you been doing?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Android on March 26, 2018, 07:07:29 AM
I'm curious too. As the Jackson 5 once sang... I want you back!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: PrettyTall on March 26, 2018, 09:26:53 AM
Hello Jack how are you doing ? hope  you doing good  any news ? how is your knee ? keep up update
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on April 13, 2018, 04:41:26 PM
I'm curious too. As the Jackson 5 once sang... I want you back!

Hahahaha
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on April 13, 2018, 05:08:57 PM
OK an update of my situation.

Three weeks earlier I was in panic because I could not walk, use wheel chair and I didn't know if my case is a complication or not. Now I'm a little bit confident and Dr Salameh is very reassuring. Now I can walk (... very ugly as people look at me when walking in the street but I'm on my feet 8)), I have very less pain when I walk. Just some muscle pain as I try to force to unbend my leg when I walk. I still have some knee bent. To be clear scientifically knee bent angle is measured from full flexion (0°) to full bent (135°) but I do reverse measure by considering full flexion as 180°. So I'm now able to extend to 135°, 45° still needs to be gained. I do aggressive physio and it's very very hard (mostly at the beginning). In fact I'm learning the hard way that the challenge in LL is not turning the screws or the pain at the beginning, it's mostly the AGGRESSIVE physio you NEED to do to be able to walk again. We must tell that to newbies. I was so naive to think that when I go out from hospital, I can go to work every day  ::). Pufff, forget it. Soft tissues management is the main challenge of this story. Or have much much time to stay at home post distraction to let soft tissues increase at their own pace.
I have not good callus formation specially for right leg but I hope to remove these frame as soon as possible...

My X-Rays:

Left Leg:   (https://imgur.com/JZlT6d2)https://imgur.com/JZlT6d2 (https://imgur.com/JZlT6d2)
Right Leg: (https://imgur.com/U07Ifsn)https://imgur.com/U07Ifsn (https://imgur.com/U07Ifsn)

I fear of fibula parts getting disconnected, what do you think about it?

Big thanks for you messages. It's good to know that our virtual LL brothers are still here  :)
Cheers
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Body Builder on April 13, 2018, 05:18:42 PM
Your bone bridge is not bad. You have done LL in less than 6 months ago so it is normal to have a bridge like that.

Your left fibula has a bone bridge but your right one I am not sure as I camt see clearly from the x ray.
If not then it will almost lead to non union. But the good thing is that a non union so high at fibula don't cause any major problems as doctors say. Only cuts near ankle or knee cause problems.

Keep strong!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on April 13, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
Your left fibula has a bone bridge but your right one I am not sure as I camt see clearly from the x ray.
If not then it will almost lead to non union.

Good to hear from you BB. Yeah I want these fibula to keep connected just to have a happy end of this journey. I read somewhere that unfixed fibula can be associated with ankle pain/arthritis...
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: myloginacct on April 13, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
Hey, Jackson5! It's great to hear that was just a scare and that it's over.

Are you finished with lengthening?

Also, remember to eat a lot (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5258.0) and take calcium and vitamin d3 supplements, if possible.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on April 13, 2018, 10:35:57 PM
Hey, Jackson5! It's great to hear that was just a scare and that it's over.

Are you finished with lengthening?

Also, remember to eat a lot (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5258.0) and take calcium and vitamin d3 supplements, if possible.

Hey! MyLoginAcct, yes I finished lengthening exactly at 25th of March for 5.8 cm and 6.6 cm (light bow leg correction) => mean of 6.3 cm per leg. And as one said on this forum, in 4 to 8 weeks I should be able to fully extend my leg, I really hope this will be the case. My doctor said Yes it will.
Thank you for this very useful link. I already have calcium but it tends to prevent me from sleeping well. I should/will buy some vitamin D3 supplements and check the list at the link. Houuup! LL is really a very huge and hard process in a life, it's not simple as just going and doing something like nose surgery for example :-) Big congratulations to all LLiers, you're a very warrior, warrior for a better life. I already know everyone of you doing this, refuses simple life and fatality of genes and wants the best for a single living life! BIG CONGRAT!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Constantine on April 15, 2018, 06:28:32 PM
Hey! MyLoginAcct, yes I finished lengthening exactly at 25th of March for 5.8 cm and 6.6 cm (light bow leg correction) => mean of 6.3 cm per leg. And as one said on this forum, in 4 to 8 weeks I should be able to fully extend my leg, I really hope this will be the case. My doctor said Yes it will.
Thank you for this very useful link. I already have calcium but it tends to prevent me from sleeping well. I should/will buy some vitamin D3 supplements and check the list at the link. Houuup! LL is really a very huge and hard process in a life, it's not simple as just going and doing something like nose surgery for example :-) Big congratulations to all LLiers, you're a very warrior, warrior for a better life. I already know everyone of you doing this, refuses simple life and fatality of genes and wants the best for a single living life! BIG CONGRAT!

Hello Jackson5,

How is your recovery going ? Can you describe the first days and weeks and the improvement etc , and how the pain level reduces etc?

I wish you a good recovery. I am at 5,65cm lengthening now.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on April 21, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Hi Constantine,
What do you mean by the first day? from the surgery? At 5.65 cm have you got some issues like knee bent etc. ?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Constantine on April 21, 2018, 04:39:51 PM
Hi Constantine,
What do you mean by the first day? from the surgery? At 5.65 cm have you got some issues like knee bent etc. ?

Sorry for my English . I meant the first days after you stopped clicking.
What you mean with knee bent? Is that your knee is bent and you can’t stretch your legs fully ?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on May 03, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Sorry for my English . I meant the first days after you stopped clicking.
What you mean with knee bent? Is that your knee is bent and you can’t stretch your legs fully ?

OK Constantine, you're right for knee bent definition about me, I can't fully stretch my legs. 30 days after last clicking I was at angle 30° to 25°. It depends on my measurement before or after physio/stretching. Today 1 month and 1 week, I'm at 20° to 17°. I use Android app Angle Meter Pro. You put your phone on your thigh, note the measure, then in the alignment of your tibia, measure again and the difference is your current angle at maximum stretching.
The good news, even for me, the unbending is slow, is that now I have less and less pain so walking is becoming more and more a pleasure...
To accelerate the unbending of my leg I started to work, everyone is looking at me when I'm walking but it's fine for my fast recovery.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Thequietone on July 15, 2018, 07:20:04 PM
How is it going, jackson?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on September 08, 2018, 03:44:43 PM
Hi, I'm very sad because I measured my tibia recently and I have only done around 4.5cm (more of less). I could not do more because of the limited rod length which I asked to replace from the day of surgery to the end without success (the answer from Doctor Salameh was always no). As you can see on the x-ray (link below) in red there is no more room for lengthening. Now I'm waiting of the different options from the doctors because I'm not satisfied. I will let you know the outcome. Houdini talked about that in his dairy on makemetaller.

X-Ray: https://imgur.com/a/qObbFQV (https://imgur.com/a/qObbFQV)
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on September 15, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
Hello
I discuss with doctor Salameh and we did measurement based on X-Ray images together. He told me that I've done around 7cm so that's a great news. And we discuss for a long time about why he did not replace the short rods. It was to protect me because of my alarming knee bent. So I don't regret my choice, later I will explain you the advantages of the device and some improvements to plan.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: OliverA on September 30, 2018, 01:21:42 PM
Hello Jackson. Congratulations for your successful surgery. You are so brave to deal with that painful process. There are some queries, if you may clarify my questions, I will be very appreciated. How tall are you now? Is it 175.5cm? Also, is there any side effect after the surgery? How much time you take to fully recover? How much you have paid to the Dr Ghassan Salameh for the surgery? Did the payment include lodging? Why you did not stay in The Dr Ghassan Salameh’s clinic when you were recovering? How much money you have totally spent during the process? Thank you(http://)
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Sanity on October 05, 2018, 06:24:59 PM
well knee problems are easier to fix imo because of more longer soft tissue involvement. are u also facing ballerina foot drops?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on October 07, 2018, 10:46:34 AM
Hello Jackson. Congratulations for your successful surgery. You are so brave to deal with that painful process. There are some queries, if you may clarify my questions, I will be very appreciated. How tall are you now? Is it 175.5cm? Also, is there any side effect after the surgery? How much time you take to fully recover? How much you have paid to the Dr Ghassan Salameh for the surgery? Did the payment include lodging? Why you did not stay in The Dr Ghassan Salameh’s clinic when you were recovering? How much money you have totally spent during the process? Thank you(http://)

Hello OliverA, I can't talk about the surgery cost as the costs are published online.The price does not include lodging. I don't know my final height yet because of knee bent and ballerina feet the measure is not precise. I did not stay in the clinic (in fact apartment) because after reading a lot of diary, I knew the lengthening can be done at home and it's boring to be alone in foreign country to do that. The device is well designed so that you don't have to worry about pin break when you're at home.

well knee problems are easier to fix imo because of more longer soft tissue involvement. are u also facing ballerina foot drops?

Side effect now: annoying ballerina feet which I hope will fade with time (better handled with shoe inserts). Time to walk again with crutches 4 months, time to walk without crutches 6 months so plan your work and financial life accordingly.
Hope this helps you
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on October 13, 2018, 12:19:57 PM
Hey Jackson5, are you able to walk without crutches at the moment?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on November 28, 2018, 02:07:25 PM
Hey Jackson5, are you able to walk without crutches at the moment?

Yes my friend, that's the case
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on November 28, 2018, 02:08:38 PM
Now why I chosen this device and Dr Salameh:

- His past record specially on this web site. And now I can confirm that he is a good doctor and he knows what to do and when to do it. You are more than a patient with him.
- The device compactness because my plan was to return back to work one month after surgery and people not noticing the device
- No worries about pin break for the same reason as above

What I discover:
- The device compactness, small size so almost I could wear my regular pant, jean almost not noticeable but a little bit for the ones who look longely at you
- Pins are bold so they will never break but bold also mean infection at some pins specially the ones near the knee joint. If you find solution to this and knee bent you can walk during the whole process because
- The device is weight bearing from second day of surgery
- It allows simultaneous lengthening and bowing correction I had small bow legs which didn't bother me but Dr Salameh suggested me to correct it and at the end I have straight legs. I don't know if straight legs are beautiful because personally I like small bowed legs :-)
- The device doesn't harm muscles. Now after device removal I have pain fading day by day at only one pin level

If your plan is to go to work after one month forget about it (or work online form home if possible), due to knee bent, pin sites infection, ballerina feet you will hardly walk til 5 months. And when you start to walk you will be like spider (man) 2 crutches and two legs bent at more than 30 degrees hahaha.

In Germany Dr Salameh works with Dr Schmidt, so you will interact a lot with Dr Salameh and for travel, appointment, surgery planning, room booking and medications Dr Schmidt will take care of you

Notice that Dr Salameh is too protective so if he feels something is going wrong or you want crazy lengthening forget about it. The lengthening is done in two steps. The first cm are possible after the surgery, Above 5 to 7 cm you need to come back to Germany to replace the rods

For me the device is the best for the ones who wants to do lengthening at home and to go to work with it on their legs. Prices are very good for European level surgery. I don't mean surgery is bad in other countries but hospitals are well equipped so in case of any serious problems you know that everything will be done in the state of the art of medicine (in general everything is OK thought specially with good chosen doctors)

Side note: The pins are screwed, you can remove them by yourself but just turning them but don't do it!

About me: I have done around 6.7cm, I have small knee bent, I have ballerina feet, no nerve problem. For my day to day life everything is becoming easier again. Two months later I can't stop in place because I had no balance as I was on the tip of my toes :-( I needed to have amazing posture or to grip to something when I was waiting the subway or talking with friends or colleagues at coffee place. With shoe inserts it's fine. I tried to avoid them to quicken my ballerina feet recovery but I had some muscle tear so I wear them again every day. When I wall more than 1 km I have pain in my lower legs from just above the ankles to the feet which is fading every day. Sometime I have pain in my right ankle at the first 5 steps (arthritis? will it go with time? is it due to ballerina feet? I don't know)
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Sanity on December 30, 2018, 07:54:39 PM
any update on ur situation?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on January 15, 2019, 08:00:26 AM
Dear Sanity,
Everything is getting better and better. Still some little ballerina feet (specially left foot) which are fading with time... but slowly :-(. I can run but it's not yet comfortable as I can bent too much my feet due to this *** ballerina feet and a little pain in ankle. To summarize ballerina feet is just the sole thing to fight! I already start to see the benefits of my new heights. I don't want to go into philosophic debates about the place of height in our society and even in animal's societies but all I can tell you is that height definitely matters and height (not toooo tall) has huge benefits which little guys will never have access to!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: 6'2_dream on January 15, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
friend
has some crazy users who did 7-8cm in the tibias and had problems without speaking that it is very perceptible to have tibias larger than the femures so the femur is indicated for larger, warm values ​​the ideal would be 4-5cm for pacient with femur much long, above this is already problematic for the tendons, if you want to risk such a high try on the femur, the femur accepts 6.5 - 7.5cm, being able to risk 8-9 in some very specific cases where the user has a very high mobility and the partial loss still
leaves him with an acceptable mobility, he has pictures of patients who did 7cm in the tibias and it is very strange the short femurs and that gigantic tibia

8cm tibia   https://imgur.com/a/PHpwZGk

Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: montahn on January 24, 2019, 07:08:21 PM
Hello

any update on your situation?

Thanks
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on June 28, 2019, 12:23:49 PM
Hello

any update on your situation?

Thanks

Hi all,
it has been one year and half (18 months) since my surgery. Now I can run, I played football last week. I had a fear if I would be able to play foot and run but after some muscle warming up it was fine and I played for one hour, no pain during and after. No longer ballerina feet but I still have some discomfort in my feet as they push a little bit hard on the ground when I stand up. My left leg is slightly longer than the right and is more uncomfortable.
I have one fear at this time, I hear a cracking sound in my right ankle almost each time I extend it. Doctor Salameh told me it will go with time so I hope it will really be the case. If it is, my surgery will be almost perfect. I have also some very little pain in my knee (left mainly) when going upstairs but it seem to fade with time (even if sometime it seems to come back)!
I still don't want to do ATL but I don't know if I will regret it when old man. My feet are not comfortable as it is now (any advice?)!
Don't panic with your ballerina feet it will be fine with time.
I am very satisfied with Doctor Salameh, he did a good job
Hope this post helps you.

Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Montreal172 on December 25, 2019, 07:51:25 PM
So how much did you end up lengthening, and how long did you have to wear the apparatus on your leg ?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Gman23 on December 25, 2019, 08:30:42 PM
Hi how tall were you before the surgery and which surgeon did you do it with and the costs for the surgery. Can you walk properly, stand up for few hours possibly 12 hours?

Let me know thank you !
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 07, 2020, 12:55:47 PM
Hello,
I was at night 168,5 cm. Now at 175 cm. I'm very happy with that. And I can see the difference in my life.
I can tell you also I have successfully done military level training after my surgery (run, extreme sport, etc.), it was just a little bit hard but largely doable. Now I have just a little bit discomfort when I stay long time straight (i.e. 5 hours standing in a night club for example). That means that almost all the pains are transitory and after 2 years they will likely disappear. The last thing which can remain or goes very slowly is the discomfort in the feet when I stand up long time at the same place as I told before. I have done 6.5 cm (less than 7cm, in fact perhaps 6 cm for right leg and 7 cm for the other because I have 0.9 cm difference between the two legs). When doing your LL, be sure from time to time to do the X-Ray of the whole legs together from top to bottom to check for discrepancies, I haven’t done that and as I was doing my lengthening at home, I didn’t think about that. Discrepancies less than 1.5 cm can’t be seen, it just can bring you back pain until your body readapt to it as I’ve read in some scientific article (and yes sometime I can sense this back pain when I make some move in my bed but for what LL bring to me this is a very small deal to me).

Heath status: very fine
Comfort level: slight discomfort (without ATL)
Surgery: Very happy with the result, this changes my life

Best regards and good luck for the newcomers
Jackson 5
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jan on February 09, 2020, 02:34:44 PM
hello from sydney

Jackson5 i would like to congratulate on your new look
your diary is motivating and dragging me a step closer to Dr Salameh
 
what would be negative thing to say about Salamehs team pls
as iam considering him next year
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 10, 2020, 09:41:53 AM

Hello Jan,
For me Dr Salameh is a very good doctor and have word to comfort you when you are in panic (and by reading post on this site sometimes you will panic, you will have doubts, etc. but don't worry). Dr Salameh works with Dr Schmidt in Germany and their clinic is a very good one. I have a friend there who told me that the clinic is the choice of wealthy Germans. The device Salameh fix have no problem.
What annoyed me a little bit is that Dr Salameh is a bit conservative and will configure device for 7 cm max only at the beginning. Then later he can change it but when you are in a wheelchair at home it is very difficult to plan a trip to German to change the pin for a few cm. The after-surgery service which is in charge of Dr Schmidt was not as good as I would like. When I had my surgery, the apartment was under renovation, no one to help when Dr Schmidt wasn't present. But I think after renovation things got better.
They both Dr Salameh and Dr Schmidt are kind (my personal feeling Dr Salameh is very kind, Dr Schmid is just kind but very professional as every service provider in Europe). Their services are largely good for their prices.
I don't regret all my choices for the Doctor and the device. The only thing I regret is to forget to do the X-Ray of my entire leg together to seek for discrepancies at each X-Ray. So, you know now, DO IT, DO IT, DOT IT!
(in my case 0.9 cm discrepancies is not a problem for me as I can dance, run, jump, play football, etc. perhaps at 70 years old it will be a different story but .... perhaps I will die before :-))

Cheers
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jan on February 10, 2020, 01:21:46 PM
thanks a alot for staying in touch Jackson5

i feel relieved a abit , i have no clue  what german visa will allow (an australian citizen)me to stay longer than 6 or 7 months but in 2 months time,iam booking a flight to berlin to see my brother he lives there and from there to frankfurt to have an appointment with Drs salameh+schmidt, what do u say i should do before i get to germany regarding the appointment? i have only contacted Salameh via email 4 years ago about the LL surgery in syria but he didnt recommend it in syria as it was cheap there, now i have saved up to do it in germany, are they available for appointments anytime or not really ?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Canon on February 10, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
Hey, I am also thinking of Salameh because I am a German and live quite near to him. I am following your story. Wish you all the best.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jan on February 10, 2020, 02:14:38 PM
hello Canon

when is ur plan for the Ll surgery ? if i may ask
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: cyborg4life on February 11, 2020, 03:29:10 AM
Great post my man! I love hearing stories of a successful surgery. I got it done to balance a height imbalance almost 8yrs ago. In fact I was in one of the initial PRECICE 1 studies. Only gained almost 2" as this is what I needed but my posture got better too and confidence truly does soar. Wishing you the best going forward!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on February 14, 2020, 02:52:48 PM
thanks a alot for staying in touch Jackson5

i feel relieved a abit , i have no clue  what german visa will allow (an australian citizen)me to stay longer than 6 or 7 months but in 2 months time,iam booking a flight to berlin to see my brother he lives there and from there to frankfurt to have an appointment with Drs salameh+schmidt, what do u say i should do before i get to germany regarding the appointment? i have only contacted Salameh via email 4 years ago about the LL surgery in syria but he didnt recommend it in syria as it was cheap there, now i have saved up to do it in germany, are they available for appointments anytime or not really ?

Hello all,
If you want to see Dr sSalameh you must plan it with him because his doesn’t live in Germany (he is Syrian). He told me that on 23rd of march his has a surgery in Germany so you can meet him at this time. You can join him at ghassanorth@yahoo.com, he is very reactive on what’s up (+963 944 363 15 six : I putted the last number in word to avoid spam robot, please be sure to add that digit to the number) I mainly used this communication channel with him and Dr Schmidt. He told me that for consultation you can join him in Germany from 22nd of March or plan it on what’s up.

Best regards
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jan on February 20, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
hi Jackson5
how are u going mate ? seems like you r living the life

please update us sometimes
thanks
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jan on June 30, 2020, 01:45:23 PM
hi Jackson5

how are u doing mate ? tell us alittle bit
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on October 24, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
Hi every body,
Today is a big day because to be comfortable I decided to do ATL with Doctor Salameh. On this web site many guys tell that to not do it. But I want that final comfort and to have less stress on my joints because I don't know how it will end up at my old days (if I get there ;-)). By discomfort, I mean one at the front foot level when I stand up at the same place for an hour (walking is fine, I walked for more than 1h with no problem), after extreme sport some very slight pain in my knees like Sinding Larsen Johansson syndrome, bad posture (like a little duck ass) and with no pain little bone's internal side arthritis in my right ankle. Is this arthritis due to LL or just the stress reveals it, I don't know. What I know is that I can live with it if it doesn't get worse at m old days.
Doctor Salmeh's method of ATL is different from other but as I think my case is a success until now, I have fear to loose my advantages if that last thing gets wrong. I hesitate long time to NOT do it at all, to do it in my country at NO cost (public insurance) or to do it with Dr Salameh (and Doctor Schmidt, they work together) as he is an expert in his field. I decided to do it with Dr Salameh.
As the last time I was too busy to read this forum, my news are: I am still proud of this life changing surgery. At this time even if I decide to not do ATL, I can live with my discomfort. In fact the discomfort is only when I try to stand straight like an alpha male or if I must do a presentation stand up for an hour or two. If I decide to stand like a beta male it fine :-) (beta male is always slightly bent to be discrete). Guys, I can't imagine my old self with 6.5 cm less and all the psychological pains with it. But I don't reject that version of me because these pains allowed me to be far better in my life at psychological level, more stress resistant, etc. I was at my optimal self. Now with LL I'm at my irresistible self. Just waiting to see if that ATL will bring comfort and still allowing me to do extreme sport with all the strength needed in my Achilles tendons.
So wish me good lucky
Jackson 5


Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Highest on October 26, 2020, 12:50:50 PM
Did you end up finding out exactly how much you lengthened each leg? Will you be getting ATL on both legs?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Tartar on October 26, 2020, 01:42:45 PM
You told you were able to play football without problem, pay attention cause after ATL most of the people claim to be totally different. If you have just a little discomfort I would avoid it.
BodyBuilder here has done it and a shortening after that, you can ask him something more before.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on October 26, 2020, 02:09:37 PM
Hello
Yes I read BodyBuilder's posts this is mainly why I did not want to do it. And if I knew I will end up doing it I would go for more than 8 cm. But my discomfort is not improving with time and Dr Salameh told me that I will keep my strength after that surgery. But to be frank I can say I want to do it at 55% and 45% not to do it. I will take that risk as I took the same and even bigger risk to do LL.
Some time, I think online posts make us fear everything than in real life. For example, if we read posts on this web site, LL seems to be a very dangerous thing but in realty I meet other Doctor Salameh's patients, they including myself have no problem. In general but not everybody, we tend to express ourselves online mainly when things got bad.
I will let you know the outcome. I want Dr Salameh to do all of his best so I will not regret my choice.
Best regards friends
Jackson 5
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on October 26, 2020, 02:10:44 PM
Did you end up finding out exactly how much you lengthened each leg? Will you be getting ATL on both legs?

Yes I want to do it at both legs
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Tartar on October 26, 2020, 04:19:13 PM
Hello
Yes I read BodyBuilder's posts this is mainly why I did not want to do it. And if I knew I will end up doing it I would go for more than 8 cm. But my discomfort is not improving with time and Dr Salameh told me that I will keep my strength after that surgery. But to be frank I can say I want to do it at 55% and 45% not to do it. I will take that risk as I took the same and even bigger risk to do LL.
Some time, I think online posts make us fear everything than in real life. For example, if we read posts on this web site, LL seems to be a very dangerous thing but in realty I meet other Doctor Salameh's patients, they including myself have no problem. In general but not everybody, we tend to express ourselves online mainly when things got bad.
I will let you know the outcome. I want Dr Salameh to do all of his best so I will not regret my choice.
Best regards friends
Jackson 5
I did LL too (even if not tibia) and I think that the pain and complications rate is definitely overrated, so I agree with you, but if you can avoid ATL I think it’s better. ATL is used even in the Flat foot surgery and I’ve heard about many people that can’t come back to the previous status, unable even to run.
I just say this to warn, this is what I’ve heard in other contexts, I hope the best recovery for you beyond the choice you’ll make.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on November 05, 2020, 09:48:01 PM
I did LL too (even if not tibia) and I think that the pain and complications rate is definitely overrated, so I agree with you, but if you can avoid ATL I think it’s better. ATL is used even in the Flat foot surgery and I’ve heard about many people that can’t come back to the previous status, unable even to run.
I just say this to warn, this is what I’ve heard in other contexts, I hope the best recovery for you beyond the choice you’ll make.

Hi Tartar,
Thank you for your message. Dr Salameh's technique seems different from other's one. I will try and told you the truth as always. I plan to do it the 25th of this month. How much did you lengthened and what's your starting height?

Best regards
Jackson 5
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Highest on November 18, 2020, 12:03:44 PM
Hi jackson5 how did your atl surgery go?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on December 02, 2020, 07:21:20 PM
Hi jackson5 how did your atl surgery go?

Hi Highest,

Yes I did it finally and only good news. Now I know for sure it was a better choice to do that surgery with Dr Salameh and Dr Schmidt. I had many doubts at the beginning but now I made the best choice. I'm recovering at home so I will keep you updated but now I have all the strength in my feet. And a BIG BIG surprise for me is that Dr Salameh's per-cutaneous ATL is a magic thing. When he told that to me, I thought it is not far from other techniques but it is. I will post photos and video I made with him int the patient's room after cutting my faces (lets stay anonymous :-)) but I only have two small points on each foot almost not noticeable. I though I will return with two big scars on my feet but nothing. In two weeks the scars will disappear as they are very very small. That's magic for me.

Stay tuned photos and videos are coming.

Jackson5
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on January 06, 2021, 05:59:43 PM

Hello Guys!
As I promise you, below the photos taken the day after the surgery. We can see only two small points, now they disappeared on my skin as if have nether done that surgery.

https://imgur.com/oHs7yij (https://imgur.com/oHs7yij)
https://imgur.com/APz56TN (https://imgur.com/APz56TN)

Almost all my discomfort have gone. I'm now as if I have nether done LL :D. I can say this height is all natural :D
The cracking sound have reduced at almost 90%
No discomfort when standing still or walk for hours. I have not yet experiment standing still for something 2 hours but after that surgey with my day to day life, I never experienced that discomfort feeling in my feet again even after running as it was the case before.
I have done a video with Dr Salameh where he explained how he did that surgery but I need to cut my face before posting it.
Yes I would do that ATL perhaps more sooner but I don't regret to try my best before doing it.
If I think back to the wall story, I made a better choice to go to Dr Salameh and Dr Schmidt and to be frank with you I didn't know what per-cutaneous surgery means but the end result is here, it's like I have never done ATL surgery.
And with that ATL well done, I'm like my height is natural because I no longer have discomfort in my legs and feet. This all journey is at its end now and it was the better choice of my life to do the surgery and to choose the right doctors. You can do LL with another doctor and then do ATL with Dr Salameh.
I will try to post the video as soon as possible.

Good luck for the new LLers!
Best regards
Jackson5
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: SpeedDialer on January 06, 2021, 07:29:30 PM
Wait you did 9.5 cm on your tibias?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on January 25, 2021, 02:36:31 PM
Good question, because it's very very difficult to know exactly what you have done.

1- All mark you putted on the device will fade out.
2- The cut in the bone on x-rays will fade out with time
3- Track strictly every turn of the screw but sometime screws will loosen and you don't know where they exactly were before
4- You height change in the same day so you must take your height before and after the wall process at the same hour in the day.

So if I went for the last option, I've gone from 168.5 cm to 175 cm so 6.5 cm but "I think" I have done 7 cm on left leg and 6 cm on the right.

At mean 6.5 cm one leg (left) needed ATL and the other seemed not but after doing ATL I'm very satisfied and sense to be free from inflexibility.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Body Builder on January 25, 2021, 10:24:04 PM
Good question, because it's very very difficult to know exactly what you have done.

1- All mark you putted on the device will fade out.
2- The cut in the bone on x-rays will fade out with time
3- Track strictly every turn of the screw but sometime screws will loosen and you don't know where they exactly were before
4- You height change in the same day so you must take your height before and after the wall process at the same hour in the day.

So if I went for the last option, I've gone from 168.5 cm to 175 cm so 6.5 cm but "I think" I have done 7 cm on left leg and 6 cm on the right.

At mean 6.5 cm one leg (left) needed ATL and the other seemed not but after doing ATL I'm very satisfied and sense to be free from inflexibility.
Hello my friend.
It is very soon to know the final results of your atl because your tendons are still healing but I really want to come and wtite us your honest opinion after at least 6 months post atl surgery and tell us if you feel your walking as stable and strong as before, if you can jump at least 30cn tall and if your balance is as before.

You did a percutaneous cut which lengthens achilles not much and of course, the less lengthening the better the results.
But I am really curious if you'll feel your legs the same as before. Personally, I felt really bad and although people couldn't see something very bad in my walking (except from I walked a little slower than normal) my sense of walking and the lack of tension were so bad that I almost lost my will to walk.
Of course I did atl with Z plasty and my moron doctor overlengthened my tendons a lot and thats why I had si major problems but I really believe that even small cuts makes the walking sensation different than before and harms athletic abilities much more than LL itself.

Anyway, all these are past for me as I shortened again my tendons and although my flexibility is really bad (every morning I wake up with 2-3cm equinus that subsides after walking), I feel so good that I really don't care about it, as my sensation of the ground and the tension is almost as before LL and this is more than enough for me.

I really hope you'll have flexibility and strong legs too after atl.
Please tell us your situation after 6-7 months, I am really curious and I hope the best for you, although I still believe anyone should avoid it, even if your results were good.
AT is veey delicate, there is no need to cut it if the flexibility after LL is not that good, after months of walking and stretching things will become better even without atl.
Anyway.

Keep strong !
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Vibes on January 26, 2021, 11:58:15 PM
Hello my friend.
It is very soon to know the final results of your atl because your tendons are still healing but I really want to come and wtite us your honest opinion after at least 6 months post atl surgery and tell us if you feel your walking as stable and strong as before, if you can jump at least 30cn tall and if your balance is as before.

You did a percutaneous cut which lengthens achilles not much and of course, the less lengthening the better the results.
But I am really curious if you'll feel your legs the same as before. Personally, I felt really bad and although people couldn't see something very bad in my walking (except from I walked a little slower than normal) my sense of walking and the lack of tension were so bad that I almost lost my will to walk.
Of course I did atl with Z plasty and my moron doctor overlengthened my tendons a lot and thats why I had si major problems but I really believe that even small cuts makes the walking sensation different than before and harms athletic abilities much more than LL itself.

Anyway, all these are past for me as I shortened again my tendons and although my flexibility is really bad (every morning I wake up with 2-3cm equinus that subsides after walking), I feel so good that I really don't care about it, as my sensation of the ground and the tension is almost as before LL and this is more than enough for me.

I really hope you'll have flexibility and strong legs too after atl.
Please tell us your situation after 6-7 months, I am really curious and I hope the best for you, although I still believe anyone should avoid it, even if your results were good.
AT is veey delicate, there is no need to cut it if the flexibility after LL is not that good, after months of walking and stretching things will become better even without atl.
Anyway.

Keep strong !

I am curious to know the answer to this as well! It seems that if small cuts ARE safe at all, then it is the easiest way to more legnthening.

But if it still causes so much issues as with your ATL, then we should rule it out entirely and you are the savior to the forums to tell us all this news. Truly we are indebted to your experience Bodybuilder and for you to take your time to share your experiences shows much character. Thank-you!
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on May 29, 2021, 05:00:28 PM
Hello my friend.
It is very soon to know the final results of your atl because your tendons are still healing but I really want to come and wtite us your honest opinion after at least 6 months post atl surgery and tell us if you feel your walking as stable and strong as before, if you can jump at least 30cn tall and if your balance is as before.

You did a percutaneous cut which lengthens achilles not much and of course, the less lengthening the better the results.
But I am really curious if you'll feel your legs the same as before. Personally, I felt really bad and although people couldn't see something very bad in my walking (except from I walked a little slower than normal) my sense of walking and the lack of tension were so bad that I almost lost my will to walk.
Of course I did atl with Z plasty and my moron doctor overlengthened my tendons a lot and thats why I had si major problems but I really believe that even small cuts makes the walking sensation different than before and harms athletic abilities much more than LL itself.

Anyway, all these are past for me as I shortened again my tendons and although my flexibility is really bad (every morning I wake up with 2-3cm equinus that subsides after walking), I feel so good that I really don't care about it, as my sensation of the ground and the tension is almost as before LL and this is more than enough for me.

I really hope you'll have flexibility and strong legs too after atl.
Please tell us your situation after 6-7 months, I am really curious and I hope the best for you, although I still believe anyone should avoid it, even if your results were good.
AT is veey delicate, there is no need to cut it if the flexibility after LL is not that good, after months of walking and stretching things will become better even without atl.
Anyway.

Keep strong !

Hi Body Builder,
Sorry, I now come on this site less frequently. From your experience I told to Dr Salameh to be very careful to avoid the same problems as you had. Yes your warnings had been a big yellow flag for me, thank you. Now 8 months later, I know it has been a good choice to do it. Before I had hard time to go from knee down position to stand up with a bag of 10kg on my back due to flexibility issues. Now I no longer have this problem. Also before when I stay stand for 2 to 3 hours, I had this pain in my feet due to compression of them on the ground (ballerina feet) now I hardly have that pain and when I have it it's very very little. I even ask myself if perhaps I needed a slightly more ATL lengthening but it's fine I will not plan a new surgery for that. Also I could not stand "very" strait and be stable (not trying to fall back) now I can do that. Let me be factual.

Flexibility (my estimation) before LL: 90% I never can do the splits :-)
Flexibility after LL before "ATL" : 60%
Flexibility after "ATL": 80% I can do all a normal guy can do in a daily life or heavy sport

And just now Body Builder I have tested the jump, I can jump as high as half a meter (around 65 cm)

But something to tell you. I will ask the details to Dr Salameh but as he told me he did not cut my Achilles tendons, he cut a band I don't remember which one exactly now but I will ask. Perhaps this method is for small "ATL" lengthening only.
I also have a nerve which is recovering slowly for the left leg.

One question I'm still wondering: for the LL we do a lot of stretching, but when we get older, can the length gained by the muscles (soft tissues in general) shrink back. During the lock down as I don't walk much, I have the feeling that I'm loosing a little flexibility... it's good to a have a feedback from others specially the very old LLiers.

Best regards
Jackson5
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on June 06, 2021, 11:12:10 PM
Hello friends,
I had Dr Salameh and he told me the details. He made a recession through multiple very small holes in gastrocnemus muscle. So the muscle can grow naturally. Perhaps this is why I have all the strength in my legs.

For the pricing, as of today he gave me that for you:

25 000 euros including the Surgery, follow up, physiotherapy, X-ray and bandages. The website you can read more information:
http://www.lengthening-sldf.com

I think he has designed a new version of the fixator (Salamehfix) which is more compact. The link to the videos of someone who did 8 cm and can run with the device.

Limb lengthening with Salamehfix 1, Dr. Salameh fixator Running during consolidation period:

https://youtu.be/6eTTaqd5n6E

Limb lengthening 8 cm with Salamehfix 1 ; Dr. Salameh Fixator Running during consolidation:

https://youtu.be/yR95cYLV1PM

Limb lengthening with Salamehfix 1 , Dr. Salameh fixator, exercises during consolidation:

https://youtu.be/tNPLzMgxrVw

Limb lengthening Cosmetic 10 cm Salamehfix 1; Dr. Salameh Fixator walking ability:

https://youtu.be/uMJ96wcSJLk

Limb lengthening Cosmetic Salamehfix surgery exercises with Dr. Ghassan Salameh:

https://youtu.be/3gdZljyZOpc

Have a nice day.
Jackson 5


Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Want-3-inches on June 07, 2021, 08:11:43 AM
The frames look very convenient to wear. Why do they not have worldwide acceptance? Do they permit this device in Germany?
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Activatedxx on June 07, 2021, 09:39:04 AM
The frames look very convenient to wear. Why do they not have worldwide acceptance? Do they permit this device in Germany?


Ilizarov frames have faster healing and consolidation time, also they can fix deformities. Monorails and frames like that are more comfortable but the actual healing time of the bone is somewhat slower, and I’m not sure about their ability to fix deformities
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Want-3-inches on June 07, 2021, 10:16:21 AM

Ilizarov frames have faster healing and consolidation time, also they can fix deformities. Monorails and frames like that are more comfortable but the actual healing time of the bone is somewhat slower, and I’m not sure about their ability to fix deformities

The doctor claims it can be used for deformity correction and also he does not insert a nail like they do for monorails (before or after lengthening). If the rest of the world has not started using it then there must be something it's lacking in.
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on June 13, 2021, 08:55:26 AM
The frames look very convenient to wear. Why do they not have worldwide acceptance? Do they permit this device in Germany?

Yes I have done my LL in Germany
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: jackson5 on June 13, 2021, 08:59:20 AM

Dear all,

One new video from Dr Salameh and the link to the patent for the device:

Global Patent EP 1830724 A1:

https://data.epo.org/gpi/EP1830724A1-EXTERNAL-FIXATION-DEVICE-FOR-TREATMENT-OF-FRACTURES-LIMB-LENGTHENING-AND-CORRECTION-OF-AXIAL-DEVIATIONS-SALAMEHFIX-1

.Limb lengthening 10 cm : Cosmetic Surgery Salamehfix Fixator, Dr. Salameh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWg2rCYTvSA
Title: Re: On road for 10 cm closer to the sky with Dr. Ghassan Salameh and Dr. Schmidt
Post by: Want-3-inches on June 13, 2021, 09:05:59 AM
Patents are granted to any new invention. It does not show how one system compares with another. What we need to see are peer reviewed papers.