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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: Constantine on March 19, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
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Hello,
i would like to start a diary. Can somebody help me out ?
Regards
Constantine
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You just did, this is a new topic in the diary (patient experiences) section. Start writing!
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To me:
I live in Germany
End of 30s
Starting height 1,67
Surgery 8th February 2018
Surgery gape 0,6mm
Nail 13mm
Betzbone
Clicking 20 Times = 1,04mm
(Wingspan I have to check later in the papers from Dr.Betz)
My goal is minimum 8cm.But at the end It depends on many things like my proportions and how I feel mentally etc
Iam now 39 days post op and reached including the surgery gape 3,8cm.
I decided to go with Betz because I had a good feeling with him . I also met some other patients, one did 10,5 cm and I saw a positive tv report about a model who did LL with betz and he was walking fine . And one reason is in case of emergency I will be there by car in a few hours.
My height was always a big problem for me in my life . I think everybody who is doing LL knows what I am talking about so I keep this short.
First day of surgery:
I was extremely nervous. But it was over so fast. They give me a pill before but I didn’t feel anything. So they brought me down to the surgery room. Everybody was really kind and careful. My surgery was around 3-4 hours , Betz said it was difficult for him to move me around but the surgery went fine. I got the 13mm nail because my bones are thick. This he told me already before the surgery.
After surgery there was almost no pain, I had this Morphium bottom what i could Push. I didn’t need it so much. Betz came in and pushed me to stand up directly , so I stand up and we had a little walk. It felt so different, some hours before I was able to run and do everything and now iam disabled and felt so strange. But there was almost no Pain. Also the other Days, i felt just uncomfortable . To be disabled felt not good for me but i had to deal with it from now on.
The Comfort Clinic is more like a Hotel, clean and really nice.You can choose between many meals but i was not hungry at all, it was because of the pain killers.After a few days without eating i changed one pain killer and get Tilidin instead. After that i started to eat again. The Nurses were also really careful and kind. They push you to stand up and walk and use the bike which is placed in the corridor. I used the bike everyday and walked a little. I had a roommate and we are still in contact everyday via whatsapp. We support each other and give us feedback and share our problems and thoughts everyday (I can't tell details about him without his permission).
Clicking:
2nd day Betz clicked two times and it hurted so much.after i tried to click by myself but it doesn't worked. So 4 Days Post op Bezs assistant Daniela came in to click with me and it worked much better (for clicking ask for Daniela!!). But the pain was still horrible. After i clicked by my self first 10 times then 12 etc. it worked but the pain was still the same. Specially the first click.
Now i have to tell something important, Betz said don't leave the Hospital before you can click like nothing. I leaved after 10 Days because i thought i can click now. This was a big mistake. At home i started clicking and it was so horrible. At home you are in a kind of comfort zone and it is more difficult to go there and click. I thought i can't go with LL anymore. For clicking i needed 2 hours and more. So i advise to stay the 14 Days complete in the Clinic and better go to the rehab center and stay there also until clicking is no problem anymore.
Good news is , suddenly after 1,8 cm (including Gape 0,6mm) clicking was like nothing. I can click in 30 seconds 20 times if i want to. No Pain , nothing. 'Until now its the same, i click during i watch netflix :)) i must be careful to not click to much because it goes that easy:))
the first days at home was really challenging and LL is not like a holiday trip . You must be really want it and be mentally strong.
What helped me i started to analyze when the pain starts and reached the highest point. This is of course after clicking. I started to Prepare myself for it and it worked better. After 2cm the Pain after clicking gets better for me also and in general i feel much better, of course you have constantly pain but its not that bad. But of course there are good and bad Days. And don't click at the evening before sleeping because then there will be no sleeping :)
At this moment i sleep around 5 hours in row. First days i slept 1-2 hours .
Thats enough for the first post i think. I am really sorry for my English. If you have some questions you can write a message also.
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Hello,
i would like to start a diary. Can somebody help me out ?
Regards
Constantine
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Great start so far, Constantine!
Good advice on staying in the clinic a bit longer, glad that you're able to click comfortably now.
Keep us updated, and no worries about your English. It's much better than our German.
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Thank you very much Android.
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Sorry if I'm slow, but you're doing femurs, right?
I wish you the best of luck with your LL.
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Yes femurs,Sorry I forgot to write .
Thank you.
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What amount of money did you spend for that?
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52.000€ for surgery and stay at comfort Clinic.
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Good Luck then, hope you reach your goal without issues.
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Maybe it's a bit private question, but you are late 30's so did you just save money or did some loan?
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Good Luck then, hope you reach your goal without issues.
Thank you for the wishes , I hope that too!Maybe it's a bit private question, but you are late 30's so did you just save money or did some loan?
I saved my money
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where is the anti-clicking nail team of the forum ?
anyway jokes aside thanks for the diary and I wish you a safe Journey !
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Thanks Longuee.
Ok so far.
Since 3-4 days I have a numb feeling under my knees. I called Dr Betz and he said that’s nerve pain and I can get the nerve pill lyrica . Does anybody had the same problems during LL and experience with Lyrica?
I have also pain in my left calf , it’s a sharp pain. This is ok for me i can deal with it , i just don’t want to have something serios. And I want to continue clicking because I don’t want to click forever.
Wide Legs : yes I have wide legs as f#* and I hate this. I am working on it everyday also with my physio but this is a battle I can’t win.
Sleeping tonight was really good a again round about 7 hours in row. But on Sunday I didn’t click so maybe this has an effect. First weeks at home I clicked everyday because I wanted to go further but now I skip clicking if I have the feeling that my body needs a rest.i skipped clicking two times until now and it helped me, I felt much better always. Dr. Betz also advised yesterday to reduce clicking from now on to 15 instead of 20 , LL will be longer but it’s better for the body, consolidation etc. he said.
I wish you a nice week..
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My height was always a big problem for me in my life . I think everybody who is doing LL knows what I am talking about so I keep this short.
By the way, you don't need to keep this short if you don't want to. We come from countries all around the world, and it's interesting to hear how our experiences difference at the same heights but in different countries.
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By the way, you don't need to keep this short if you don't want to. We come from countries all around the world, and it's interesting to hear how our experiences difference at the same heights but in different countries.
i was born in germany but My Parents are from south europe. So i am not that tall as the most of the Germans. Even the Average height from the People of my parents country is 1,74. Everywhere I go I am almost the smallest guy. It’s not even about girls . It’s just an uncomfortable feeling, at the gym, at party’s , in the city while shopping. I don’t need to be the tallest guy in the room but i don’t want to be the smallest guy. Most of the time i was wearing the shoe inlays of 2cm.
And I love fashion and wearing nice clothes. But with this height everything looks not that good. For example if I wear a coat I look like a child in his fathers coat.
No iam 3,8cm taller and it feels so good. The last weeks i didn't noticed that because of my wide legs. But when i put my legs together now in front of the mirror it feels just awesome. I am smiling and all the pain is gone for a moment.I can't imagine to how it will be later..
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Know that feel, i got similar situation but i live in Poland, so average height is quite similar. Like i am the type of guy who want to achieve something by hard work, i studied IT Security, work as freelancer for big salary and workout professional to be always, at least biggest in group. Unfortunately I was unable to change my height even i didn't smoke, did sport activities at my university and i feel so sad for my body even i worked so hard to look good. And i feel awkward, because my Dad is 184, brother slightly taller and i am barely taller than my mother...
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4cm Today .
I got my X Rays yesterday.The Dr who made the X Rays said the cloud in the Gape looks really good and the bone is filling already.
I skipped clicking Yesterday because of my nerve pain in my left leg and i hate it because i wanted to click. But listening to your body and give him a rest when he needs it is more important. I called Dr Betz office yesterday and they send a prescription for Lyrica 75mg. I took two of them yesterday and sleeping was much better, i had almost no nerve pain. Today the Nerve Pain is 2/10. Lyrica costs me 170 € but it was worth it.
Clicking is still the same.
What motivates me is the fact of growing everyday. My Goal is always the next cm ,so at this moment i just look at reaching the 5 cm.
(I tried to post my X rays but it doesn't work)
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i was born in germany but My Parents are from south europe. So i am not that tall as the most of the Germans. Even the Average height from the People of my parents country is 1,74. Everywhere I go I am almost the smallest guy. It’s not even about girls . It’s just an uncomfortable feeling, at the gym, at party’s , in the city while shopping. I don’t need to be the tallest guy in the room but i don’t want to be the smallest guy. Most of the time i was wearing the shoe inlays of 2cm.
And I love fashion and wearing nice clothes. But with this height everything looks not that good. For example if I wear a coat I look like a child in his fathers coat.
No iam 3,8cm taller and it feels so good. The last weeks i didn't noticed that because of my wide legs. But when i put my legs together now in front of the mirror it feels just awesome. I am smiling and all the pain is gone for a moment.I can't imagine to how it will be later..
Oh, I know which country your parents must be from, then. I think 1,74m is an inflated height for that country. It's definitely more like 170~173cm.
Good to hear you're already feeling good about it, and that it's also not just about girls!
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Know that feel, i got similar situation but i live in Poland, so average height is quite similar. Like i am the type of guy who want to achieve something by hard work, i studied IT Security, work as freelancer for big salary and workout professional to be always, at least biggest in group. Unfortunately I was unable to change my height even i didn't smoke, did sport activities at my university and i feel so sad for my body even i worked so hard to look good. And i feel awkward, because my Dad is 184, brother slightly taller and i am barely taller than my mother...
Wow, you probably had stunted growth, then. Did you ever get some tests for HGH deficiency, thyroid/endocrine system problems when you were a teenager?
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Know that feel, i got similar situation but i live in Poland, so average height is quite similar. Like i am the type of guy who want to achieve something by hard work, i studied IT Security, work as freelancer for big salary and workout professional to be always, at least biggest in group. Unfortunately I was unable to change my height even i didn't smoke, did sport activities at my university and i feel so sad for my body even i worked so hard to look good. And i feel awkward, because my Dad is 184, brother slightly taller and i am barely taller than my mother...
i totally know that feeling.
But one important thing what i am always thinking of is. I am a successful business man now. I was successful in everything i did (of course i failed in my life also many times) . And i have to thank this to my height. I was the smallest guy but always the best in everything else like business, gym , studying etc.
My height complex driven me to highest performance in every area.
On the other hand i have a lot of pain inside me because of my height, a lot of things hurted me specially when i was a teenager. That is maybe why i am going now better through this journey.
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Oh, I know which country your parents must be from, then. I think 1,74m is an inflated height for that country. It's definitely more like 170~173cm.
Good to hear you're already feeling good about it, and that it's also not just about girls!
ok then let me know Which country i am from ?:)
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ok then let me know Which country i am from ?:)
I think I know. I just didn't wanna say because you might not want that information out there. But it has to be Portugal.
EDIT: By the way, I can edit out this post if you want me to, later.
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I think I know. I just didn't wanna say because you might not want that information out there. But it has to be Portugal.
EDIT: By the way, I can edit out this post if you want me to, later.
Its Not Portugal :)
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Its Not Portugal :)
Damn. I was so sure. I can't think of another Southern European country with that average.
EDIT: Maybe Turkey, even if most of the country isn't in Europe.
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Damn. I was so sure. I can't think of another Southern European country with that average.
EDIT: Maybe Turkey, even if most of the country isn't in Europe.
Lets forget this anyway I wouldn’t tell :)
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Lets forget this anyway I wouldn’t tell :)
Haha, sure thing. I hope everything goes better with the clicking for you.
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Haha, sure thing. I hope everything goes better with the clicking for you.
Thank you very much :)
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4,61 cm Today
Last days was not so much to say.
Since i am taking Lyrica the Nerve Pain is better, but after 4-6 hours Lyrica looses his effect and i feel the nerve pain coming back. So i need to take the next pill.
After one Week with reduced 15 Clicks (0,078mm) i can say i feel more comfortable.
My Sleeping is still good. I wake up maybe two or three times shortly but then i fall asleep again. I hope that will stay like this.
In the morning the legs are stiff af. Then i go on my home bicycle for 30 min and it feels much better. I try to bicycle 1 hour every day but not at once. I split during the day.
5 Days a week i go to my Physiotherapist. Distance from my home is 500m and he is on the 4th Floor. I walk and also use always the stairs. When i arrive there i am sweating and it is like i am done with a Gym lesson ;D Today i also went to the mall, i am trying to walk as much as possible, but its not that easy because i am slow, have wide legs and ducks and i must rest in between.
The most important for me is taking the painkillers. After that i feel really good, i don't understand how some people can do without :-\ With painkillers at this moment it is really ok to go through LL. Of course accept the first 2-3 Weeks. Its just boring and annoying that you don't have your normal life back.
More than finishing LL i am thinking about reaching my Goal of 8-10 cm. I read here in the forum that some LLer starts to get complications after 5 cm. I will reach the 5 cm next week ,so please cross your fingers that everything goes well for me.As we know everyday during LL is a surprise, we never know how our body will react in the next days.
I really enjoy my height but because of my wide legs and specially duck ass i don't look so tall. I need to bring my legs together to notice that i am taller. And i can say it feels really good. And everyday i am thinking how it will be after 8-10cm.
i wish you a nice week everybody
Constantine
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5cm Post
As i see not so much people are interested in my Diary, no post so far from anybody :) i still try to keep it up here. Maybe when i am old i can read my own diary again :)
Almost 2 month post Op
Wide legs: getting wider
duck as: yes :(
clicking: still easy , 15 clicks per day (0,078mm)
My nerve pain came back again and it was horrible. So i decided not click on last saturday and sunday. And it helped a lot, i feel much better. I will try to rest once a week at least.
The clicking is still easy but the pain after clicking increased. I am clicking at round about 1pm or 2pm now. After clicking i stay in my bed and try to relax. I think it helps a bit. During LL you try a lot of things to low the pain level. But i think at the end its always the same and you have to go through it anyway.
Sleeping is actually ok compared with what i read in other diaries. I sleep round about 8 hours every night. I woke up of course 2-3 times cause of leg stiffness but then i change sleeping position and i go on sleeping.
In the Last two month i lost 7kg, i have no butt anymore. I can feel my bones when i sit down. Also legs are very thin and I lost most of my muscles in my upper body and arms.
Because of my wide legs and duck ass i am not staying straight so my height is not looking as much as it is actually.
Wish you all a nice weekend ;)
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Good to hear that you're getting plenty of sleep, hope that's the case for me.
5 cm is the point that stiffness starts to bother people, so let's hope that your good luck continues.
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Good to hear that you're getting plenty of sleep, hope that's the case for me.
5 cm is the point that stiffness starts to bother people, so let's hope that your good luck continues.
Yes you’re right.I am at 5,1cm. I feel also that it gets more difficult now. But my sleeping is still really good I slept last night again 8 hours. :)
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It's refreshing to hear of a LLer who can sleep well!
I hope you manage to get your 8cm! (But stop sooner if you are having serious problems.)
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It's refreshing to hear of a LLer who can sleep well!
I hope you manage to get your 8cm! (But stop sooner if you are having serious problems.)
Yes thanks for the advise. If I get some serious problems I will stop immediately.
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I feel so sorry that u have nerve pain.
Did u experiment on how many clicks u need till the pain starts?
Since clicking is so smooth did u try to split the clicking time in two or three clicking seasons?
As long u have no bending knees, u can work good against the duckass and spreadlegs.
Wich u a all the best.
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I feel so sorry that u have nerve pain.
Did u experiment on how many clicks u need till the pain starts?
Since clicking is so smooth did u try to split the clicking time in two or three clicking seasons?
As long u have no bending knees, u can work good against the duckass and spreadlegs.
Wich u a all the best.
Hello amaar,
thank you very much for your best wishes.
The nerve is always there i don’t need to click, almost all the time when I move I have nerve pain in my left leg. Now it’s much better because I took two days off from clicking. This helped a lot and I felt so good after that.
After the days off I had no pain after clicking the first day. From yesterday on I tried splitting the clicks in 3*5 clicks. Little pain, I guess the more I click in a row the more nerve pain and issues i have. Then my body forces me to rest.But I will keep going with the split and try if it helps.
Other than that the pain is ok and I still sleep minimum 8 hours.
It’s just bothering all the LL thing because i want back to normal life. I feel that it never ends.
I have still wide legs but it’s not getting wider since I am working on it and try to walk as closed as possible .
Duck ass, I hate this and it’s getting more and more ducky:)
Clicking is still easy..
Have a nice weekend
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What did dr. Beetz say about your nerve pain?
I knew a patient who started to have nerve pain after 9cm and those patients who had the pain earlier had an 11mm nail and had a daintily body. Therefore they where more flexible.
After 5.2-5.5cm the body gets used to the lengthening till a certain point. So I hope the Nervepain goes a way slowly.
If the nervepain increases again after a certain point I would stop at 9cm.
Have a nice day
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What did dr. Beetz say about your nerve pain?
I knew a patient who started to have nerve pain after 9cm and those patients who had the pain earlier had an 11mm nail and had a daintily body. Therefore they where more flexible.
After 5.2-5.5cm the body gets used to the lengthening till a certain point. So I hope the Nervepain goes a way slowly.
If the nervepain increases again after a certain point I would stop at 9cm.
Have a nice day
i asked Dr. Betz via WhatsApp before 1-2 Weeks and he answered, if the nerve pain is not disturbing me too much i don't have to think about ending the lengthening.He never had the case that somebody needed to stop because of nerve pain. He advised also to reduce clicking even more to reduce the nerve Pain if i want.
I have the 13mm Nail.
Now i am at 5,5 cm and clicking 3 days in a row and just little nerve pain. I am splitting the clicks still in 3 parts. Last time nerve pain started at the 7th day. This time i will rest the 6th day i think, so before any pain starts hopefully.
I think i will stop earlier then 9 cm. If i can go until 8 without big issues i will do a few mm more and thats it.
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Hello Constantine. I wish all the best, and very well recovery in the future. I have a question regarding the duck ass complication which happens in femur lengthening. Apparently, there is a solution called cutting IT band, which can avoid having duck ass complication even when somebody lengthens up to 8cm. Can you please ask Dr Betz idea about cutting IT band? Has he done it on you? Apparently, Dr Paley performs it on his patients.
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Hello Constantine. I wish all the best, and very well recovery in the future. I have a question regarding the duck ass complication which happens in femur lengthening. Apparently, there is a solution called cutting IT band, which can avoid having duck ass complication even when somebody lengthens up to 8cm. Can you please ask Dr Betz idea about cutting IT band? Has he done it on you? Apparently, Dr Paley performs it on his patients.
Thank you wishadream for the best wishes.
In the consultation we talked about 4 hours with Dr Betz . We talked also about duckass etc but he didn’t told me anything about this opportunity . But later in my advanced lengthening phase I will ask him. As I can guess he will say correct your duckass with physio :)
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Hello Constantin,
firstly i wish you good luck with your LL process.
My question is a bit private, i live in Germany too. I'm 32 years old and have been working for a few years in a company. I guess, i can save enough money in a few years for the LL surgery but i can't figure out what i can do with my job if i get surgery. Because i think i can't work at all at least 3-4 months after the surgery. So i wanted to ask you how you solved that problem.
Btw I am 174cm and i want to be 180cm. I have bow legs but just a little bit.. my another question is, is it possible to correct the bow legs and LL at the same time by internal method and how long it would keep me away from my work and social life.
Ofcourse anyone else can answer my questions too.
thanks in advance
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Bow legs are corrected with the external method. I haven't heard that an internal method is used while correcting bow legs, but maybe someone else knows better.
People say to take as much time as it takes for the LL procedure and regeneration to finish. I recommend to face that truth and not try to get ithe OP in somehow in 5 months or so. I would expect that a good employer will let you take off that time for that special operation and accept you back at work afterwards.
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Hello Constantin,
firstly i wish you good luck with your LL process.
My question is a bit private, i live in Germany too. I'm 32 years old and have been working for a few years in a company. I guess, i can save enough money in a few years for the LL surgery but i can't figure out what i can do with my job if i get surgery. Because i think i can't work at all at least 3-4 months after the surgery. So i wanted to ask you how you solved that problem.
Btw I am 174cm and i want to be 180cm. I have bow legs but just a little bit.. my another question is, is it possible to correct the bow legs and LL at the same time by internal method and how long it would keep me away from my work and social life.
Ofcourse anyone else can answer my questions too.
thanks in advance
thanks for the wishes LLprime2!
i have my own company and prepared everything before. I am still organizing things in the background and stay in contact with my employees. I am also visiting my company as much as i can.
Dr Betz told me a lot storys where people after surgery go back to work. Also my Roommate gets back to work after 14 Days. But in his job he is alone in his office so he lies back and put his legs on his table most of the time and relax. Its different for each person. But to be honest LL is not a little breath and really challenging also mentally. And I am busy all the time with stretching, physio, bicycle, clicking and managing the pain. I am happy when the day is over. In between working for me is not possible.You can write me a private message also if you want so we can talk in german..
Bow legs are corrected with the external method. I haven't heard that an internal method is used while correcting bow legs, but maybe someone else knows better.
People say to take as much time as it takes for the LL procedure and regeneration to finish. I recommend to face that truth and not try to get ithe OP in somehow in 5 months or so. I would expect that a good employer will let you take off that time for that special operation and accept you back at work afterwards.
I agree completely.
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hey friend,
i come from Taiwan
may i ask how much total you paid
by the way how tall you got??
best regards
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hey friend,
i come from Taiwan
may i ask how much total you paid
by the way how tall you got??
best regards
He answered in the previous page (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5320.msg83170#msg83170).
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hey friend,
i come from Taiwan
may i ask how much total you paid
by the way how tall you got??
best regards
As android said I answered this in the previous page (52.000€ just the surgery and stay at comfort clinic)
I am now at 5,73cm
since I survived my last nerve pain attack I feel good. When I passed 5cm i thought it’s getting more difficult , but now I notice the opposite. I hope it keeps going like this. But It’s really different day by day but now in general it’s not bad. To the future LLers I can say that the first weeks are really hard, keep that in your mind. Then it’s getting better and better..
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5cm Post
As i see not so much people are interested in my Diary, no post so far from anybody :) i still try to keep it up here. Maybe when i am old i can read my own diary again :)
Almost 2 month post Op
Wide legs: getting wider
duck as: yes :(
clicking: still easy , 15 clicks per day (0,078mm)
My nerve pain came back again and it was horrible. So i decided not click on last saturday and sunday. And it helped a lot, i feel much better. I will try to rest once a week at least.
The clicking is still easy but the pain after clicking increased. I am clicking at round about 1pm or 2pm now. After clicking i stay in my bed and try to relax. I think it helps a bit. During LL you try a lot of things to low the pain level. But i think at the end its always the same and you have to go through it anyway.
Sleeping is actually ok compared with what i read in other diaries. I sleep round about 8 hours every night. I woke up of course 2-3 times cause of leg stiffness but then i change sleeping position and i go on sleeping.
In the Last two month i lost 7kg, i have no butt anymore. I can feel my bones when i sit down. Also legs are very thin and I lost most of my muscles in my upper body and arms.
Because of my wide legs and duck ass i am not staying straight so my height is not looking as much as it is actually.
Wish you all a nice weekend ;)
Actually, this seems to be so rare that I just had to make another comment.
Why do you think you have been sleeping so well throughout CLL?
Did it start that way, or did it take a long time until you were sleeping 8 hours a day?
As I've commented before, I think the often mentioned 2~4 hours of sleep at most everyday - waking up and trying to go back to sleep again (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4014.0) - are what would break me, even if I was managing the pain.
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5cm Post
As i see not so much people are interested in my Diary, no post so far from anybody :) i still try to keep it up here. Maybe when i am old i can read my own diary again :)
Almost 2 month post Op
Wide legs: getting wider
duck as: yes :(
clicking: still easy , 15 clicks per day (0,078mm)
My nerve pain came back again and it was horrible. So i decided not click on last saturday and sunday. And it helped a lot, i feel much better. I will try to rest once a week at least.
The clicking is still easy but the pain after clicking increased. I am clicking at round about 1pm or 2pm now. After clicking i stay in my bed and try to relax. I think it helps a bit. During LL you try a lot of things to low the pain level. But i think at the end its always the same and you have to go through it anyway.
Sleeping is actually ok compared with what i read in other diaries. I sleep round about 8 hours every night. I woke up of course 2-3 times cause of leg stiffness but then i change sleeping position and i go on sleeping.
In the Last two month i lost 7kg, i have no butt anymore. I can feel my bones when i sit down. Also legs are very thin and I lost most of my muscles in my upper body and arms.
Because of my wide legs and duck ass i am not staying straight so my height is not looking as much as it is actually.
Wish you all a nice weekend ;)
By the way, here's the video with the correct timestamp where Paley describe how he deals with duck ass in his femoral lengthening cases (https://youtu.be/Iz2ePdIKIPo?t=54m15s) - what user wishadream was talking about.
It's from 54:17 until the end of the vid, basically.
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Actually, this seems to be so rare that I just had to make another comment.
Why do you think you have been sleeping so well throughout CLL?
Did it start that way, or did it take a long time until you were sleeping 8 hours a day?
As I've commented before, I think the often mentioned 2~4 hours of sleep at most everyday - waking up and trying to go back to sleep again (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4014.0) - are what would break me, even if I was managing the pain.
In the first weeks my sleeping was really bad. I woke up every 2 hour and started stretching and riding my home bike . Then I slept again for at most 2 hours. But I was clicking that time really late in the evening . After I changed this I sleep really good compared what I read in other diaries. I can’t tell you why and I am not doing something special about this. I also don’t take sleeping pills. For example last night I slept about 9 hours. I wake up just for a few seconds and change position maybe .
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By the way, here's the video with the correct timestamp where Paley describe how he deals with duck ass in his femoral lengthening cases (https://youtu.be/Iz2ePdIKIPo?t=54m15s) - what user wishadream was talking about.
It's from 54:17 until the end of the vid, basically.
Yes I know this. But to be honest I don’t think it’s a good idea to cut te IT Bands. I mean how about long term effects? A surgery should be the last option to get rid that duck ass.
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Yes I know this. But to be honest I don’t think it’s a good idea to cut te IT Bands. I mean how about long term effects? A surgery should be the last option to get rid that duck ass.
Surgery should be the last option to become taller, yet here we are! I wouldn't recommend getting it now since you're done with surgery; it'll be at an additional cost. Best of luck with physical therapy.
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To be honest I don’t think it’s a good idea to cut te IT Bands. I mean how about long term effects?
Oh, for sure. I just figured I'd link what wishadream was most likely talking about. It's never my intention to try and give medical advice, and you should always discuss options/routes with actual doctors.
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Yes I know this. But to be honest I don’t think it’s a good idea to cut te IT Bands. I mean how about long term effects? A surgery should be the last option to get rid that duck ass.
Hey guys just to clear up some confusion, to my understanding the Dr. doesn't actually cut through the IT band. Its more of a longitudinal slit that releases some of the tension. It heals up on its own. Mine were released and I can feel them getting tight again.
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Surgery should be the last option to become taller, yet here we are! I wouldn't recommend getting it now since you're done with surgery; it'll be at an additional cost. Best of luck with physical therapy.
Unfortunately for all forum members surgery "is" the last option ;)
Hey guys just to clear up some confusion, to my understanding the Dr. doesn't actually cut through the IT band. Its more of a longitudinal slit that releases some of the tension. It heals up on its own. Mine were released and I can feel them getting tight again.
thanks for the information. And after surgery suddenly no duck ass anymore? My duckass is really bad, with crutches i can hide a litte bit but without its horrible. I will ask about this procedure dr Betz. lets see what he says.
Oh, for sure. I just figured I'd link what wishadream was most likely talking about. It's never my intention to try and give medical advice, and you should always discuss options/routes with actual doctors.
no i appreciate every comment on my diary. we are all not doctors. But this is a forum and we should discuss openly and share our thoughts with each other, so thank you for that :)
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6cm what a nice number. I should be 1,73 cm now! wow! I still don’t notice the change so much because of duckass and wide legs >:(
I am clicking now 9 days without a break. The nerve pain didn’t came back and I am really happy about this.In General i dont have so much pain, it’s just uncomfortable.
If it goes like this I will be finished with all this maybe middle of May cross fingers
When I lie in bed i notice my long legs more and more and it looks really good ,I love long legs:) Since I am lengthening i wear sweat pants. today i tried my jeans the first time on and it was funny to see how short they are :)
I am still splitting the clicks to 3x5 . The first clicks I do around 10am. I repeat 3-4 hours later. In this way my body has a chance to adapt the 5 clicks.
Wish you a nice day ✌️
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Kannst du gerade ohne Krücken laufen oder nur noch mit? @Constantine
Sorry, my englisch is so bad
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4cm Today .
I got my X Rays yesterday.The Dr who made the X Rays said the cloud in the Gape looks really good and the bone is filling already.
I skipped clicking Yesterday because of my nerve pain in my left leg and i hate it because i wanted to click. But listening to your body and give him a rest when he needs it is more important. I called Dr Betz office yesterday and they send a prescription for Lyrica 75mg. I took two of them yesterday and sleeping was much better, i had almost no nerve pain. Today the Nerve Pain is 2/10. Lyrica costs me 170 € but it was worth it.
Clicking is still the same.
What motivates me is the fact of growing everyday. My Goal is always the next cm ,so at this moment i just look at reaching the 5 cm.
(I tried to post my X rays but it doesn't work)
By the way, most people host their x-rays pics on imgur.com (http://www.imgur.com).
Make an account (preferentially with a jibberish name) before you upload any x-rays pics, though, or you'll have trouble actually removing them from the website later, should you want to.
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Kannst du gerade ohne Krücken laufen oder nur noch mit? @Constantine
Sorry, my englisch is so bad
Seit einigen Wochen nur noch mit Krücken weil ich so ein Hohlkreuz habe.
(I can just walk with crutches because of my duck ass )
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Wow, you probably had stunted growth, then. Did you ever get some tests for HGH deficiency, thyroid/endocrine system problems when you were a teenager?
My HGH was ok, at least when i was 16/17 y old (kinda late, but i went to hospital and check shortstaturing issue which is <169, i was 167). Unfortunately my parents were keep saying that i will grow like father, so no one react and just gave me a time. No special problems except flat feet, it could be a lottery since my mother's father was kinda short, anyway it sucks since my dad and brother are ~6'1. I feel quite uncomfortable even in home. Got a friend who was using HGH since 13/14 he is at the same height as me, and only his hands, ears and nose got bigger which made him really non-symmetrical.
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Here we go . My X-rays made 21st of March almost 6 weeks post op.
https://imgur.com/a/E2Pxc
I would appreciate to read opinions about that.
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Thank you :)
please still write this everyday how it is going for you. I am very interested for this :) @Constantine
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Hi Constantine, how are you today? I hope you enjoyed your he weekend.
Do you have Pain right now? And how is the lengthening going?
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Hi Constantine, how are you today? I hope you enjoyed your he weekend.
Do you have Pain right now? And how is the lengthening going?
6,3cm today.
The last two nights i woke up many times because my legs was so stiff. I had to bend and stretch them many times to get them relaxed again and continue sleeping. But in total i slept around 7 hours.
The morning pain today was much more then the other days. I took my morning pain killers and waited rolled in bed until they do their job. My nerve pain is a litte bit sill there in my left leg. Sometimes i don't feel sometimes it makes me scream "ahh".
Clicking is still easy and not painful. But i have the feeling that i need more strength now to click.
Everyday i am thinking about the day when i am finished with lengthening. It feels like this day will never come but i know it will. So i try to stay motivated.The Bad days like today are just really horrible because of the pain. The other Days its just a feeling that you want your life back.
Today the all day i walked more then 2km. Walking is getting more difficult for me everyday. My duckass and wide legs doesn't allow me to do any step without my crutches. I hope to get fixed that asap after i finished Lenghtening.
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Good stuff Constantine. Even with all the little issues, glad that you're still getting all that sleep. I'm sure it helps a lot in your body's capacity to heal. Keep it up!
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Good stuff Constantine. Even with all the little issues, glad that you're still getting all that sleep. I'm sure it helps a lot in your body's capacity to heal. Keep it up!
thanks Android! i hope so!
yes my sleeping is really good compared what i read in other diaries. But on the other hand i have beside the general pain a lot of nerve pain.. :(
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good luck man, fingers crossed since start, so for what amount of cms are you aiming right now?
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Did Betz say anything about the duck ass getting worse the more you lengthen?
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good luck man, fingers crossed since start, so for what amount of cms are you aiming right now?
thanks a lot lucindaris! to be honest i am still not sure. I would like to stop at 8cm to finish all this and get asap a good recovery time. Maybe a few days more and thats it. I have a bad duck ass and if its go further like this i am afraid to not even reach 8cm.
Of course 10 cm is very attractive. Before LL i used the shoe inlays of 2cm and i know that this can be really a big increase. But on the other hand walking with nails that sticks out 10cm is a big risk i think. As best i am hoping a happy end between 8-9cm ;)
Did Betz say anything about the duck ass getting worse the more you lengthen?
No, but this is the case i think. For me my duck ass mostly got worse until 6 cm. From there i don't notice that its getting a lot more worse but maybe little by little. Duck ass came because of stretching so much the IT Bands and Hip . The Body compensate all this with pushing the hip to the front. This makes me really crazy and it is so difficult to work against such stretched IT Bands.
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Sorry guys to write in german, but my englisch is really bad and I can not write my idea right in english.
@Constantine: Das freut mich gerade, dass es dir nach und nach besser geht. Naja, ich glaube zwischen 7 und 8 würden echt sehr gut heilen. Je größer die Verlängerung ist bzw. länger, desto mehr Schmerzen du am Ende hast, oder liege ich da falsch?
Und was ist dieses "duckass" Ding? Ich habe es gegooglt aber konnte keine gute Antwort drauf haben. Bleibt das für immer oder das geht auch nach der Zeit?
Könntest du auch bitte zwischen durch die Kommentare in Deutsch schreiben? Die Übersetzung macht mich manchmal durcheinander :D
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Sorry guys to write in german, but my englisch is really bad and I can not write my idea right in english.
@Constantine: Das freut mich gerade, dass es dir nach und nach besser geht. Naja, ich glaube zwischen 7 und 8 würden echt sehr gut heilen. Je größer die Verlängerung ist bzw. länger, desto mehr Schmerzen du am Ende hast, oder liege ich da falsch?
Und was ist dieses "duckass" Ding? Ich habe es gegooglt aber konnte keine gute Antwort drauf haben. Bleibt das für immer oder das geht auch nach der Zeit?
Könntest du auch bitte zwischen durch die Kommentare in Deutsch schreiben? Die Übersetzung macht mich manchmal durcheinander :D
Duckass heißt übersetzt entenarsch und sollte natürlich weg gehen.
Schmerzen ist bei jedem anders , ich empfinde seit 5 cm die Sache nicht mehr so schmerzhaft. Am schlimmsten war es bis 3cm.
Umso weniger du verlängerst umso besser ist natürlich die Heilung. Aber man niold forum viel Stress , schmerzen und kosten auf sich und das soll sich dann am Ende auch lohnen. Mein Minimum ist 8cm..
He was asking if the duckass stays forever, I answered hopefully not :)
Then he asked if more you lengthened means more pain .
For me the most painful time was until 3cm. Since 5 cm I feel much better.
Today my nerve pain in my left leg came back. It’s curios , when I walk It doesn’t hurt that much but when I lie in bed and bend my leg a little it makes me scream. I take Lyrica everyday but i don’t think that it helps.
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If the duck ass got worse with the more you lengthened, wouldn't you lose any extra centimeters you gained by that act of lengthening more?
It could not be worth it. But I'm no doctor. Just something to maybe ask your doctor about.
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Hello Constantine
Hope everything goes fine during your ll journey .
Could u pls post some X-rays and pics.
It would be of great help.
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If the duck ass got worse with the more you lengthened, wouldn't you lose any extra centimeters you gained by that act of lengthening more?
It could not be worth it. But I'm no doctor. Just something to maybe ask your doctor about.
of course you are losing cm. But after lengthening it shouldnt stay like this :)
You lose centimeters because of wide legs, duckass and bendet legs while you stay.I must stay on one straighten leg like a flamingo to notice my actual height.
After lengthening is finished the recovery work starts. I will keep working with my physio, stretching on my own etc. The Physio work now is just a fight i can't win. One day i stretch and work on my wide legs , IT bands and its getting better. But next after clicking its the same or more worse again. It is like a Hamster wheel.
Yesterday i wrote that my nerve pain came back again, this was wrong i think. I noticed later that the pain is in may calf. I think i got a calf strain and its hurting like crazy. The day before i walked a lot and because of my awkward walking i injured my calf. So one problem more during my LL journey. I need to walk to activate bone healing . One the other hand i am injuring myself because i can't walk normal. Thats really frustrating >:(
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Hi Constantine. How are you today and how is your pain? ist it gone hopefully? and how is the lengthening?
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6,6cm
Days are going really slow when you do LL and this month was like never ending for me. If i could do some productive work or follow my hobbies the days would go really fast. But this is not possible, i am busy with managing pain,clicking , taking pain killers etc. I don't have the mood to do anything else. I am just waiting that this ends. But May will be the last month of lengthening for me.
Last wednesday i took a day off from clicking because of pain in my calf. The next day i clicked all 15 at once and i felt nothing. This happens always when i take a day off. The next two days i can click all at once and i feel almost nothing. The third day i must split the clicks otherwise its again too much pain after clicking.
Yesterday i was at the mall and walked a lot. Walking is getting more difficult everyday. My legs are still bend when i walk but i try to stretch my legs with every step. I must walk as much as i can to stimulate the bone healing but the distance i can walk is getting less everyday. But the fact that the bone healing is so important forces me to keep walking even if it is just a few steps. I have at home 14 stairs that i have to take 2-3 times everyday if i want or not.This helps also to stay active.
My pain killers are going to finish soon. I need to contact Dr Betz office for a new prescription next week.
Duck ass and wide legs: same level
Sleeping: last night i slept 9 hours without any break. I am sorry for those you have sleeping problems but i think everybody has is own goods and bads.
Clicking: still easy
Pain: still little pain in my right calf.
For me the hardest part of LL until now was the first 2-4 Weeks. After that it was still hard but manageable. Specially after reaching 5cm and starting to split the clicks everything gots easier.
wish you a nice sunday
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7cm Post
What a nice number! In the beginning my roommate told me about a guy who is lengthening and reached 7 cm. This was so far away for me, i couldn't imagine to say this one day for me. But today is this day and i am really happy! Now i can see a light at the end of the tunnel
I have no noticeable difference since i reached 6cm in case of issues. Just i feel my legs are bended a little bit more when i stay.
Now I can't wait for my recovery time, i hope everything will go well for me. End of this month i will schedule my new x rays. I hope my bone healing is going well. It was a long long time until here, losing month of your life, risking so many things . At this moment i am not regretting it at all.
i am so curious about when i finally notice my new height. At this moment my height is still not noticeable because of my wide legst etc.
i wish you a nice weekend guys!
C
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Congrats on crossing another milestone! Smooth sailing so far.
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Congrats on crossing another milestone! Smooth sailing so far.
Thanks android. :)
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Hello guys, iam still at 7,3cm. Iam not clicking since 4 days now. Because Again a sharp pain at the outside of my calf. The pain started after I had a walk at the mall. But I don’t know what it is really. Walking is still fine but the problem is the pain starts when I rotate my leg for clicking. Even a little rotate hurts like hell. My Theorie is that this comes from disabled walking ( bended legs , duck ass ). I am a little bit frustrated as I wanted to finish soon. Now again everything takes longer..I read always that people has sleeping problems or upper leg pain etc. I have always the most pain around my calf and I had to take off already so many times because of this area.. I hate this because i am lengthening my femur and not my tibias. I don’t think that I can click tomorrow but maybe on Monday. This time is really a long break :( I am lengthening more than 3 month for just 7,3cm.
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I called Dr. Betz . Of course at the phone he can’t give me a diagnosis but he said also that it is nerve or from wrong walking. He wrote me a prescription for voltaren resinat. He said normally it’s not recommended during lengthening but I should take it until the pain is gone. I hope it helps :(
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Why not stop lengthening now?
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Why not stop lengthening now?
I paid so much , so much suffer and pain. I must reach my minimum goal of 8 . Today is the 5th day and I still can’t click because of the pain . I want to wait another two days .
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But it's just 0.7cm. If it keeps being so difficult, you have to wonder whether 0.7cm is worth all of that.
8cm is currently the maximum nails like Precice 2.2 allow.
Rooting for you, though. :)
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I paid so much , so much suffer and pain. I must reach my minimum goal of 8 . Today is the 5th day and I still can’t click because of the pain . I want to wait another two days .
Even on your click days I'd lengthen less than usual. Go slow and let your legs catch up if you're not stopping until 8 cm.
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But it's just 0.7cm. If it keeps being so difficult, you have to wonder whether 0.7cm is worth all of that.
8cm is currently the maximum nails like Precice 2.2 allow.
Rooting for you, though. :)
Yes you’re right 0.7cm is nothing but before the surgery my goal was 10. Then I said because of propotions I go until 9cm . Later I said 8cm is my minimum goal. Now stopping at 7cm would feel like losing
Even on your click days I'd lengthen less than usual. Go slow and let your legs catch up if you're not stopping until 8 cm.
How many times did you click?
I am going slow already, i didn’t clicked for 5 days.Just my right legs 10 times a day.
I met a orthopedic dr here in my hometown. He said it’s the big nerve what is hurting. It gets a little bit better and i clicked through the pain , the doc said i can do that if I can bear the pain. Dr. Betz said the same on our last call. But it’s the hardest thing throug my LL. But just one week and then it’s all over .
So today I am at 7,44 cm
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I don't blame you at all. If 10 was what your mind was focused on - then 7 is devastating and unacceptable. Were your IT bands partially released?
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The nerve pain is almost gone and I am clicking again. With today I am at 7,6cm
The days i had to rest was really frustrating for me in case of losing time. In one week i didn’t click 5 days. But now I am happy that I did it.. When i need to take a day off I hate it but after I am happy that I did so :) . I have so much energy now and my pain level even with clicking is really low. I advise to all coming LLers to take a day off as long as you need. It’s easier then to reach your goal instead of fighting against the body all the time. After the third day I noticed a recovery already and on third day actually I didn’t need pain killers anymore (accept for my nerve pain).
My sleeping is still really good. Minimum 8 hours of sleep everyday
Clicking is still easy.
What I notice is that every cm is a new challenge, you never know what will come.
I need to tell you something what happened the last days , i am flirting with 9cm :-* 8cm is a men and I will reach it. But 9 is a nice lady with beautiful curves. She has danger but she can be worth it. She is looking at me and flirting all the time. I try not to give her attention but she is really hard flirting . And more and more every day but I don’t know if I should go to her..what you say guys ???
I don't blame you at all. If 10 was what your mind was focused on - then 7 is devastating and unacceptable. Were your IT bands partially released?
Yes that it is.
My it bands and duckass will be a challenge during recovery. My legs are really wide but since weeks they stay at the same level. Maybe any wider is not possible :)
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8,07cm
I am over my minimum goal and can’t believe it. It was a long journey until here and the hardest challenge of my life.
Since my last nerve pain I feel really good. I must say I never felt so good during my LL.thats why I decided to go a few days more. I thought about stopping but I will never get this chance again. So let’s try to come to the 9cm as near as posssible.
When i sit down my right leg is difficult to stretch , left leg is no problem.
Duck ass and bended legs are still bothering me. I still try to walk with crutches but long distances is not possible anymore. It’s not because of pain more that my muscles get tired.
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That's awesome. I was your b4 height and now you are 175. Gratz but take care since its serious amount for one segment.
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8,3cm!
I did my last clicks yesterday and today is my first day post lengthening and 107 Days Post Surgery!!
Its hard to believe that the lengthening is over. I was over years talking about this surgery and dreaming of being taller. Now is the day and it is some how unreal. It is a emotional moment for me. I am now a little bit over 175cm! For me this is so much!
I hated to be 167 and i hated to wear shoe inlays and always choosing shoes because of the height of the bottom.I hated to be always the smallest men in the room , i hated to look always up to other people! This hate gives me the energy to survive so many nerve attacks and go further, to suffer all the Lengthening phase. And it will give me the power i need for the recovery...
It was a really hard and long journey until now. Now i am facing my recovery, i shedult already all my PT sessions for the next weeks but first i want to rest a few days and just stretch by myself and calm down.
I still can't fully stretch my right leg its bended so much when i lie in bed. Last night was the first night where i couldn't sleep.I think my Body reached his limits and is telling me now to stop so i listen.I wanted to go until 9cm but the 7mm wouldn't make any difference compared to the risks. My Proportions looks really good and my femurs looks natural.
I had a long lengthening phase because of many rest days and reduced clicking after 6cm to 15 clicks per day. My biggest issue was the nerve pain what i had many times.The hardest time was definitely the first weeks. What helped me was the time when i started to split the clicking as is said in a post before. After pain to be disabled was really hard, i tried to work but this was not possible. To have constant pain was also hard but manageable. You need to face the pain and know when it starts --> after clicking.
Sometimes i start to count the days and hours but i noticed quickly that this doesn't makes sense and can make you crazy. You must think about other thinks and try not to be too much in the LL tunnel. I know this is easy to say. Go outside to drink a coffee , see other people or play playstation games. And just people who did LL should give any advises or recommendations. Because if you didn't had LL you have no idea!!! Before LL i read so much in this forum in the internet and i thought i know what is coming. I had no idea!!My before LL had no idea:)
I am very thankful that sleeping was almost never a problem for me.
The most people say that you forget all the pain and suffer. I must say i want to forget it :)
My minimum goal was 8cm and i am really happy with the result. I am looking forward to notice my real height when i am recovered. Now when i stay i can't feel much difference because of my bended legs and Duckass. I hope that this gets better day by day. Next week i will take my X Rays. I am a bit nervous and hope that the bone healing has improved.
Constantine out ;)
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8,3cm!
I did my last clicks yesterday and today is my first day post lengthening and 107 Days Post Surgery!!
Its hard to believe that the lengthening is over. I was over years talking about this surgery and dreaming of being taller. Now is the day and it is some how unreal. It is a emotional moment for me. I am now a little bit over 175cm! For me this is so much!
I hated to be 167 and i hated to wear shoe inlays and always choosing shoes because of the height of the bottom.I hated to be always the smallest men in the room , i hated to look always up to other people! This hate gives me the energy to survive so many nerve attacks and go further, to suffer all the Lengthening phase. And it will give me the power i need for the recovery...
It was a really hard and long journey until now. Now i am facing my recovery, i shedult already all my PT sessions for the next weeks but first i want to rest a few days and just stretch by myself and calm down.
I still can't fully stretch my right leg its bended so much when i lie in bed. Last night was the first night where i couldn't sleep.I think my Body reached his limits and is telling me now to stop so i listen.I wanted to go until 9cm but the 7mm wouldn't make any difference compared to the risks. My Proportions looks really good and my femurs looks natural.
I had a long lengthening phase because of many rest days and reduced clicking after 6cm to 15 clicks per day. My biggest issue was the nerve pain what i had many times.The hardest time was definitely the first weeks. What helped me was the time when i started to split the clicking as is said in a post before. After pain to be disabled was really hard, i tried to work but this was not possible. To have constant pain was also hard but manageable. You need to face the pain and know when it starts --> after clicking.
Sometimes i start to count the days and hours but i noticed quickly that this doesn't makes sense and can make you crazy. You must think about other thinks and try not to be too much in the LL tunnel. I know this is easy to say. Go outside to drink a coffee , see other people or play playstation games. And just people who did LL should give any advises or recommendations. Because if you didn't had LL you have no idea!!! Before LL i read so much in this forum in the internet and i thought i know what is coming. I had no idea!!My before LL had no idea:)
I am very thankful that sleeping was almost never a problem for me.
The most people say that you forget all the pain and suffer. I must say i want to forget it :)
My minimum goal was 8cm and i am really happy with the result. I am looking forward to notice my real height when i am recovered. Now when i stay i can't feel much difference because of my bended legs and Duckass. I hope that this gets better day by day. Next week i will take my X Rays. I am a bit nervous and hope that the bone healing has improved.
Constantine out ;)
What will you do about the duck ass and what are the ways you're going to try to combat it?
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Awesome, wish you best recovery. Goddamn I have similar feelings, same starting height and live close to Germany (Poland). Everyone is different but i hope to reach similar amount aswell. Once more good luck.
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8,3cm!
I did my last clicks yesterday and today is my first day post lengthening and 107 Days Post Surgery!!
Its hard to believe that the lengthening is over. I was over years talking about this surgery and dreaming of being taller. Now is the day and it is some how unreal. It is a emotional moment for me. I am now a little bit over 175cm! For me this is so much!
I hated to be 167 and i hated to wear shoe inlays and always choosing shoes because of the height of the bottom.I hated to be always the smallest men in the room , i hated to look always up to other people! This hate gives me the energy to survive so many nerve attacks and go further, to suffer all the Lengthening phase. And it will give me the power i need for the recovery...
It was a really hard and long journey until now. Now i am facing my recovery, i shedult already all my PT sessions for the next weeks but first i want to rest a few days and just stretch by myself and calm down.
I still can't fully stretch my right leg its bended so much when i lie in bed. Last night was the first night where i couldn't sleep.I think my Body reached his limits and is telling me now to stop so i listen.I wanted to go until 9cm but the 7mm wouldn't make any difference compared to the risks. My Proportions looks really good and my femurs looks natural.
I had a long lengthening phase because of many rest days and reduced clicking after 6cm to 15 clicks per day. My biggest issue was the nerve pain what i had many times.The hardest time was definitely the first weeks. What helped me was the time when i started to split the clicking as is said in a post before. After pain to be disabled was really hard, i tried to work but this was not possible. To have constant pain was also hard but manageable. You need to face the pain and know when it starts --> after clicking.
Sometimes i start to count the days and hours but i noticed quickly that this doesn't makes sense and can make you crazy. You must think about other thinks and try not to be too much in the LL tunnel. I know this is easy to say. Go outside to drink a coffee , see other people or play playstation games. And just people who did LL should give any advises or recommendations. Because if you didn't had LL you have no idea!!! Before LL i read so much in this forum in the internet and i thought i know what is coming. I had no idea!!My before LL had no idea:)
I am very thankful that sleeping was almost never a problem for me.
The most people say that you forget all the pain and suffer. I must say i want to forget it :)
My minimum goal was 8cm and i am really happy with the result. I am looking forward to notice my real height when i am recovered. Now when i stay i can't feel much difference because of my bended legs and Duckass. I hope that this gets better day by day. Next week i will take my X Rays. I am a bit nervous and hope that the bone healing has improved.
Constantine out ;)
Congratulations, Constantine! It's finally over.
I hope your healing goes well from now on, and your duckass situation is resolved as soon as possible.
I have to ask, too: would you consider posting a picture of your results in the forums after you're done with your recovery? Of course, a picture of yourself where we can see your lengthened femurs, but against a white background with no objects around you, and your face cropped out of the picture - for the anonymity.
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Amazing how fast time flies. Thanks for keeping us updated Constantine, keep working hard on PT!
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What will you do about the duck ass and what are the ways you're going to try to combat it?
The work for the duck ass i must do by myself. I have a really good PT , he's also osteopath and has a sport diploma. He told me that it is proofed scientifically that a stretch must be hold at least 4 minutes to bring the muscle to lengthen. He showed me different stretches for each muscle. I must do each stretch one time and hold at least 4 minutes , of course you can do it twice. He said it doesn't bring much to stretch 10 times a day for 30 seconds. He explained all this more complicated and professional but this is it in my language :) He also told me to do PT ones a week is totally enough to check if everything is improving and check if i do the exercises right. The rest i have to do by myself
Awesome, wish you best recovery. Goddamn I have similar feelings, same starting height and live close to Germany (Poland). Everyone is different but i hope to reach similar amount aswell. Once more good luck.
hey lucindaris, i hope you're doing well. Did you scheduled your Surgery already?
Congratulations, Constantine! It's finally over.
I hope your healing goes well from now on, and your duckass situation is resolved as soon as possible.
I have to ask, too: would you consider posting a picture of your results in the forums after you're done with your recovery? Of course, a picture of yourself where we can see your lengthened femurs, but against a white background with no objects around you, and your face cropped out of the picture - for the anonymity.
to be honest i don't want to post pictures.
Amazing how fast time flies. Thanks for keeping us updated Constantine, keep working hard on PT!
Hey Android, i remember your first post on my diary :) no lengthening is over time really flies :)
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I am now 4 days post lengthening. i feel a little bit better but still pain here and there.I start to get off the pain killers slowly.
I did my X rays today . I send them to Dr Betz and i am curious about his opinion.
I couldnt stretch my legs thats why we have two photos, they couldn't bring both legs completely on one picture:
https://imgur.com/gallery/AFHjESi
Wish you all a good day
C
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I am now 4 days post lengthening. i feel a little bit better but still pain here and there.I start to get off the pain killers slowly.
I did my X rays today . I send them to Dr Betz and i am curious about his opinion.
Because of my bended legs they couldn't bring both legs on one pictures so there are two:
https://imgur.com/gallery/AFHjESi
Wish you all a good day
C
Pardon me, I am seeing straight bones here. What do you mean bent? as in leg muscles or the nails + bone? And do you imply its because of the surgery?
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Pardon me, I am seeing straight bones here. What do you mean bent? as in leg muscles or the nails + bone? And do you imply its because of the surgery?
sorry i wrote it wrong. i mean that i could not stretch my legs. Thats why splittet the X-ray in two parts, upper leg and then the rest of the nail.
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sorry i wrote it wrong. i mean that i could not stretch my legs. Thats why splittet the X-ray in two parts, upper leg and then the rest of the nail.
;D. The bridge would fill up soon ;). I wish you a smooth recovery buddy ahead :) All the best!
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;D. The bridge would fill up soon ;). I wish you a smooth recovery buddy ahead :) All the best!
thank you very much :) did you had your surgery already??
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thank you very much :) did you had your surgery already??
yes! Would PM you buddy ;)
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yes! Would PM you buddy ;)
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hey lucindaris, i hope you're doing well. Did you scheduled your Surgery already?
I am still getting more money and finishing my degree. I might consider betz aswell if i get a decent amount of money.
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to be honest i don't want to post pictures.
No problem. :) Thanks for the x-rays!
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How are you doing after over 8 cm LL?
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Is your duckass improving?
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Hey !its 3 weeks now that I stopped clicking.
i am fine but I am light years away from walking without crutches. My duckass is still the same I don’t see any difference. Maybe a little bit. I am going regularly to pt . I didn’t know that starting walking again would be so hard.
I will try now to walk and stretch more but it’s really frustrating that everything goes so slow for me.
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hi, if you can't walk what is the reason ? weight bearing or muscle that you lost ?
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hi, if you can't walk what is the reason ? weight bearing or muscle that you lost ?
I think it’s the muscles that I’ve lost . I walked today until now 2 km ( with stops of course). I was sweating like I had a shower. Before LL i was sportive and could jogg long distances but now I am like an old man and walking is really exhausting . I think I need to walk more, the first three weeks I couldn’t walk so much but from now on I need to push my self to walk with crutches as much as I can.
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Hi Constantine. How are you doing? Thanks for detailed dairy. How is it going with improvement on complications? I mean wide legs, duck ass, and as you mentioned in the last comment walking?
Are they getting improved? I also have another question: were you able to go further to 9 or even 10 cms? Or it was impossible due to pain and pressure?
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Dont worry from now on you have to be patient. Step by step your condition becomes better.
It has been almost 5 and a half months since I finished lengthening.
I still have a duckass which forces me to use the crutches.
I have 5 times for 50 min physio and I am able now to swim.
Hopefully in a couple of months you and I can walk straight.
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Hi Constantine. How are you doing? Thanks for detailed dairy. How is it going with improvement on complications? I mean wide legs, duck ass, and as you mentioned in the last comment walking?
Are they getting improved? I also have another question: were you able to go further to 9 or even 10 cms? Or it was impossible due to pain and pressure?
Hi wishadream,
it’s getting better everyday . I am now more than a months post clicking. My walking is getting better.. When I lie on my back my legs are still wide but not as much as before. When I walk my legs are more closed . My duckass is better compared the time I stopped clicking but its still present. I can walk a few steps without crutches now. After clicking this was not possible.yesterday I walked to my kitchen and back without crutches :)
I were not able to go further because of my duckass and I lengthened already four month. To go for 10cm I had to lengthen at least one month more but I was really done with all that. and It would have pushed my recovery back for long time .
Dont worry from now on you have to be patient. Step by step your condition becomes better.
It has been almost 5 and a half months since I finished lengthening.
I still have a duckass which forces me to use the crutches.
I have 5 times for 50 min physio and I am able now to swim.
Hopefully in a couple of months you and I can walk straight.
I was hoping that after three month post clicking I can walk without crutches . I have now 2 month to go. To read that after 5 1/22“ month u still need to use crutches because of your duckass makes me scared. I want my life back and I am so exhausted from all this . My duck ass is my biggest issue and it’s improving so little . I am doing also pt 5 times a week but it’s still getting slow.
My leg strength will come back I am sure . But as you said the duckass forces to use the crutches. If i walk some steps without crutches my back is leaned so much to the front then :(
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I feel you.
But my condition after I was done with clicking was very bad. My starting height was 176cm.
I increased 10.3. and the bending knees combined with my duckass made me 174cm tall 😂.
Based from my catastrophic condition I am Superman now.😂😂😂
So I think you will do great the next two months. There will be some weeks where your body does not get better and some where you make a jump.
For example yesterday I could bend my left leg almost to my back.
I used to have problems with it because of a little tensor pain during Lengthening. I tried so hard for each degree more and suddenly I made a huge jump. As if I would work years for it.
If you need to use your hips to walk without crutches (like a Pinguine) I would recommend you to wait with walking till your duckass is getting in a better condition.
But I gues Dr. Beetz told you already.
Wish u all the best
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Hi Constantine. congratulations because of passing the most difficult step. I am pretty sure you wont regrent doing the surgery.
Being tall is something completely different than other advantages and really changes even how other people look at you.
Regarding to duck ass, I heard there is a technical surgery so called "releasing IT band". Did dr Betz perform it on you?
If , in case, duck ass does not go away with time and physio, what are possible solutions?
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Hi Amaar. Thanks also for your info, and congratulations because finishing the lengthening phase. Can you also comment about my questions? At which centimiter you stopped lengthening? what was the main reason? Did you have IT band release surgery? and solutions about duck ass, in case PT does not work?
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Hi wishadream.
Dr. Betz mentioned two patients where they did a surgery for the it bands.
As I understood it right, they make several cuts to the bend which will heal again. So it releases pressure to the it bands. If the it bands are coming along with nerve pain, another solution would be to decrease the length again.
As mentioned above i have lengthened 10,3. It was tempting since I did had no pain and clicking was rly easy. I did not wanted to realize how my condition went so bad. And when I made my x rays lying (my legs where not straight enough to stand). It looked like i did 12cm. So I was scared to click more.
After 3 months I did another x ray while standing and it said 10.3which is also written on my clicking sheet.
My solution for duck ass is, to stop lengthening if it gets to crazy.
Duck ass started at 6cm because I had bending knees before. I should have stopped at 6cm.
My it bands are as hard as a steel cable. During my worst condition they where popping out of my body😂
Solution for my duck ass situation right now:
Lying on the stomache, getting rid of belly fat. Training the antagonist muscles. Butt training and stomage. But I am not allowed to make crunches. Shoulder training and a bit lower back training. Chest training is also bad for duckass.
Maybe give my body some time.
This is something which takes at least 3 more years to go away.
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Thanks, Amaar for you complete. Base on your experience, can you say if someone starts the stretching exercises, very intensively, one year before surgery, and bring his/her flexibility to a very good point, for example being able to open the legs 180 degrees, would it be helpful to avoid getting duck ass?
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Since I was very unflexible before the operation I was stretching 6 months before the operation for one hour a day. I guess it helps but it is overrated.
It depends more on the individual.
I met maybe 50 patients till now. And every individual has his own problems.
I got away quickly with the spread legs, when bending knees came.
Bending knees goes quickly away in general but unfortunately I got also a huge duckass.
From the 10cm plus patients, Not all of them get it to such an extend. But Dr. Betz will let you know later in the process for how much you can go.
I met one small Chinese guy who was able to care a chair after 1 month operation.
Or one fat and small Arab girl who could walk after 3 months when she stopped lengthening.
Another plus 10 patient who did definitely to much had spread legs right when he got out of the hospital. This poor guy could not walk for 2 months . He had to hop with ballerina legs and had to enter sideways the door or elevator. 5 months after lengthening he did not need the crutches anymore.
This goes also for the paintolerance or bone healing.
I was the only one from the operation day till now who had only minor pain issues.
I used to take a pain killer before i slept. So my legs are not restless. But after 2 months I stoped to take any pain killers.
Other patients had headaches, needed to womit. Cried. They described there pain as if the leg is an opend wound. And every little touch hurts. Also they where not able to get a proper massage or to go hard on them at physio.
Some had to knock of themselves with tilidin. Some took 4 times a day tramadol.
I guess I should not complain about my situation😂😂.
A couple of days I talked to a friend of mine who did 11cm.
He had always a duck ass and his legs where like a tree trunk but no bending knees. His operation is more then one year ago but he can walk for 2.5 hours now. He sill has some tens muscles but I guess some more months and than he is fine.
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I feel you.
But my condition after I was done with clicking was very bad. My starting height was 176cm.
I increased 10.3. and the bending knees combined with my duckass made me 174cm tall 😂.
Based from my catastrophic condition I am Superman now.😂😂😂
So I think you will do great the next two months. There will be some weeks where your body does not get better and some where you make a jump.
For example yesterday I could bend my left leg almost to my back.
I used to have problems with it because of a little tensor pain during Lengthening. I tried so hard for each degree more and suddenly I made a huge jump. As if I would work years for it.
If you need to use your hips to walk without crutches (like a Pinguine) I would recommend you to wait with walking till your duckass is getting in a better condition.
But I gues Dr. Beetz told you already.
Wish u all the best
that sound really good, i heard also form some patients that they had a recovery boost sometimes.And yes i am walking like a penguin and i must definitely use my crutches. even if i don't want to, just a few steps is possible for testing myself.
Hi Constantine. congratulations because of passing the most difficult step. I am pretty sure you wont regrent doing the surgery.
Being tall is something completely different than other advantages and really changes even how other people look at you.
Regarding to duck ass, I heard there is a technical surgery so called "releasing IT band". Did dr Betz perform it on you?
If , in case, duck ass does not go away with time and physio, what are possible solutions?
being tall is really great , it is really priceless. And this is the only thing what gives me the strength to stay strong. I am now almost half a year on crutches and it really sucks. But i must say the lengthening phase was definitely the hardest time with all that pain.
I know this IT Band release and asked Dr Betz about it already. Dr Betz is not doing this surgery because of the danger of long term damages.
Duck ass will go away but it takes time. You need to work on it with your pt and by yourself . I notice that it gets better but really slow.
Hi wishadream.
Dr. Betz mentioned two patients where they did a surgery for the it bands.
As I understood it right, they make several cuts to the bend which will heal again. So it releases pressure to the it bands. If the it bands are coming along with nerve pain, another solution would be to decrease the length again.
As mentioned above i have lengthened 10,3. It was tempting since I did had no pain and clicking was rly easy. I did not wanted to realize how my condition went so bad. And when I made my x rays lying (my legs where not straight enough to stand). It looked like i did 12cm. So I was scared to click more.
After 3 months I did another x ray while standing and it said 10.3which is also written on my clicking sheet.
My solution for duck ass is, to stop lengthening if it gets to crazy.
Duck ass started at 6cm because I had bending knees before. I should have stopped at 6cm.
My it bands are as hard as a steel cable. During my worst condition they where popping out of my body😂
Solution for my duck ass situation right now:
Lying on the stomache, getting rid of belly fat. Training the antagonist muscles. Butt training and stomage. But I am not allowed to make crunches. Shoulder training and a bit lower back training. Chest training is also bad for duckass.
Maybe give my body some time.
This is something which takes at least 3 more years to go away.
My IT bands were also like steel cables :) now they are much more released.
What you mean with 3 more years?? :-[
Since I was very unflexible before the operation I was stretching 6 months before the operation for one hour a day. I guess it helps but it is overrated.
It depends more on the individual.
I met maybe 50 patients till now. And every individual has his own problems.
I got away quickly with the spread legs, when bending knees came.
Bending knees goes quickly away in general but unfortunately I got also a huge duckass.
From the 10cm plus patients, Not all of them get it to such an extend. But Dr. Betz will let you know later in the process for how much you can go.
I met one small Chinese guy who was able to care a chair after 1 month operation.
Or one fat and small Arab girl who could walk after 3 months when she stopped lengthening.
Another plus 10 patient who did definitely to much had spread legs right when he got out of the hospital. This poor guy could not walk for 2 months . He had to hop with ballerina legs and had to enter sideways the door or elevator. 5 months after lengthening he did not need the crutches anymore.
This goes also for the paintolerance or bone healing.
I was the only one from the operation day till now who had only minor pain issues.
I used to take a pain killer before i slept. So my legs are not restless. But after 2 months I stoped to take any pain killers.
Other patients had headaches, needed to womit. Cried. They described there pain as if the leg is an opend wound. And every little touch hurts. Also they where not able to get a proper massage or to go hard on them at physio.
Some had to knock of themselves with tilidin. Some took 4 times a day tramadol.
I guess I should not complain about my situation😂😂.
A couple of days I talked to a friend of mine who did 11cm.
He had always a duck ass and his legs where like a tree trunk but no bending knees. His operation is more then one year ago but he can walk for 2.5 hours now. He sill has some tens muscles but I guess some more months and than he is fine.
thanks for the detailed informations amaar!
you're right LL depends more on individual and everyone is different. My Roommate lengthened 9 cm and has no wide legs and a little duckass what is actually not noticeable.But he has not so much bone healing.
But how did you met 50 Patients till now? :)
One of the reasons why i stopped at 8,3cm was my wide legs and huge duckass. I couldn't go for more , my body couldn't take it. My wide legs started quite early i think at 2-3 cm. My duckass was noticeable from 5-6cm on.
Your friend who did 11 cm who had also duck ass , when he started to walk without crutches almost normal? and when his duckass was gone?
And how was your improvement of your duckass? If i say for me and say after clicking was the worst like 10 it is now at 7.
I had always the impression also from Dr Betz that 3 month after clicking everything will be fine and we can walk normal. I never knew that it can take also year.
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My 11cm friends duckass is not gone.
it reached a status where he is able to walk again.
Duckass is an extended form of hyperlordosis.
once u get rid of your duck ass which in my case will hopefully be gone next year, i will still have a hollow cross. After the lengthening phase your improvements will come into smaller steps from a visible standpoint.
To get a straight back again needs a lot of time. The iliopsoas is a nasty muscle to stretch. so I guess 3 years is realistic to walk "perfect again"
But since your it bands are already soft i guess you have a good genetic or maybe u stopped at the right time with clicking.
Before my operation I met some patients of Dr Betz and some of Dr. Baumgart. At my hospital stay (14days) I met some other patients who did the operation during the same time but more patients who did after me the operation. Since my condition was so good (no pain, good mood and very active), and during my visits at elke I met again some more patients.
Every time I went for x rays i met two or three patients. Till my condition was so bad that I had to hide in the xray waiting room, so future patients should not see me ;D
In addition I went 9 weeks to a rehab center, the name I can not tell, where I met a lot of patients.
And the doctor introduced us to some former patients.
If my duckass condition after clicking was 10 as the worst now its maybe a 7.
If my bending knees condition after clicking was a 10 now its a 1.
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My 11cm friends duckass is not gone.
it reached a status where he is able to walk again.
Duckass is an extended form of hyperlordosis.
once u get rid of your duck ass which in my case will hopefully be gone next year, i will still have a hollow cross. After the lengthening phase your improvements will come into smaller steps from a visible standpoint.
To get a straight back again needs a lot of time. The iliopsoas is a nasty muscle to stretch. so I guess 3 years is realistic to walk "perfect again"
But since your it bands are already soft i guess you have a good genetic or maybe u stopped at the right time with clicking.
Before my operation I met some patients of Dr Betz and some of Dr. Baumgart. At my hospital stay (14days) I met some other patients who did the operation during the same time but more patients who did after me the operation. Since my condition was so good (no pain, good mood and very active), and during my visits at elke I met again some more patients.
Every time I went for x rays i met two or three patients. Till my condition was so bad that I had to hide in the xray waiting room, so future patients should not see me ;D
In addition I went 9 weeks to a rehab center, the name I can not tell, where I met a lot of patients.
And the doctor introduced us to some former patients.
If my duckass condition after clicking was 10 as the worst now its maybe a 7.
If my bending knees condition after clicking was a 10 now its a 1.
how long does it take for your friend after he stopped clicking to be able to walk again like now?
i mean i know that it takes more time until we can walk perfect without any duck ass.but my thought was to walk normal with a little duckass which is not noticeable that much after 3 month. my pt said it takes minimum 6 month after clicking. but this is individual , apo from old forum had a huge duckass which was almost gone after 10 weeks. he posted a photo from his development every week. Anyway i totally underrated the duckass and nobody told me that it can take so many time or maybe 3 years. On the other hand its now 1 month and 11 days that i stopped clicking. I will know more after one month If my duckass gets noticeable better or not. i take photos every second week. I tried to send you but in private message it was not possible.
My It bands next to my knees are still hard but not that much as during the clicking phase. My upper IT bands are soft , if i would have gone to 10cm they would have popped out as yours i think.
Can you walk without crutches if you want ? I mean do you have enough leg strength and accept duckass is it easy for you to walk. Do you use all the time the crutches?
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Congratulations on a smooth lengthening process. I can relate to alot of your journey. I had surgery done with Dr. Betz recently and im at 4,3cm right now and aiming for around 8cm. Im feeling very little pain but i have developed wide legs recently. I haven't been clicking now for two days because i thought its easier to stretch the it band that way. I can walk without crutches and if i just manage to fix my wide legs i can walk normal.
Do you have any recommendations for me relating to wide legs? how did you get rid of your wide legs?
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Congratulations on a smooth lengthening process. I can relate to alot of your journey. I had surgery done with Dr. Betz recently and im at 4,3cm right now and aiming for around 8cm. Im feeling very little pain but i have developed wide legs recently. I haven't been clicking now for two days because i thought its easier to stretch the it band that way. I can walk without crutches and if i just manage to fix my wide legs i can walk normal.
Do you have any recommendations for me relating to wide legs? how did you get rid of your wide legs?
thanks. wish you the best for your lengthening tallertree!
do you stay at Elkes house or are you lengthening at home now?
I stretched with my pt because stretching alone the it bands during lengthening was really difficult for me.
i have still wide legs and the duck ass relates to the wide legs.When i lie on my back and put my legs together i have a hollow cross. This is the way how the body corrects everything by himself and makes space for the shortened muscles and it bands. But it is not that much as during the lengthening. during lengthening you can't do anything to reduce the wide legs.Its a fight you can't win. of course you should stretch the it bands and everything else etc but this is just to try that your legs do not split too much. Because the lengthening process is such a huge intervention in the Muscles and IT bands its not possible to correct this with a little bit stretching. It also depends from your genetics and it is very individual. I did pt 5 times a week but my wide legs was still getting wider and wider. My roommate never did pt but he has almost no wide legs and no duckass.
But the good news is after clicking the first thing my body started to correct was my wide legs. My legs are shoulder wide now when i stay. I can also put them together with almost no pain when i stay, this was not possible before. But when i put them together my duckass pops out . But during lengthening my duckass was popping out plus my legs was extrem wide.
For me Wide legs is not a big issue,the duckass is the most worst :(
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thanks. wish you the best for your lengthening tallertree!
do you stay at Elkes house or are you lengthening at home now?
I stretched with my pt because stretching alone the it bands during lengthening was really difficult for me.
i have still wide legs and the duck ass relates to the wide legs.When i lie on my back and put my legs together i have a hollow cross. This is the way how the body corrects everything by himself and makes space for the shortened muscles and it bands. But it is not that much as during the lengthening. during lengthening you can't do anything to reduce the wide legs.Its a fight you can't win. of course you should stretch the it bands and everything else etc but this is just to try that your legs do not split too much. Because the lengthening process is such a huge intervention in the Muscles and IT bands its not possible to correct this with a little bit stretching. It also depends from your genetics and it is very individual. I did pt 5 times a week but my wide legs was still getting wider and wider. My roommate never did pt but he has almost no wide legs and no duckass.
But the good news is after clicking the first thing my body started to correct was my wide legs. My legs are shoulder wide now when i stay. I can also put them together with almost no pain when i stay, this was not possible before. But when i put them together my duckass pops out . But during lengthening my duckass was popping out plus my legs was extrem wide.
For me Wide legs is not a big issue,the duckass is the most worst :(
Thanks:)
I was at Elkes house for 2 weeks but im back home now. I try to stretch both with my PT and when im home and i have managed to fix the wide legs a bit actually. I told Dr. Betz about it and i asked him if i should pause the clicking, but he suggested to reduce the clicking to half speed instead and i started with that today and it feels good. This way i can fix the wide legs a bit.
About duckass, when did you get it and what should i do to avoid it?
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Thanks:)
I was at Elkes house for 2 weeks but im back home now. I try to stretch both with my PT and when im home and i have managed to fix the wide legs a bit actually. I told Dr. Betz about it and i asked him if i should pause the clicking, but he suggested to reduce the clicking to half speed instead and i started with that today and it feels good. This way i can fix the wide legs a bit.
About duckass, when did you get it and what should i do to avoid it?
I reduced also clicking from 20 to 15 clicks after 5 cm. That helped a lot to reduce the pain . And I splitted the clicks.
My duckass started round about 5 cm.
I think you can’t do anything to avoid it.if your lucky and have the right genetics you never get duck ass. Stretching your quadriceps should help to keep it low as possible.
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hey Guys,
In 13 days its my 6 month after clicking. I can walk without crutches but far away from normal. I compensate my duckass with power.
Compared to other patients my leg strengh is/was never an issue also not bone healing. I have a 13mm nail anyways.
My biggest problem was always flexibility.
But most LL patients are (i dont know how to say this nice) weaklings.
Low pain tolerance, less leg muscles but higher flexibility. Some are bending there legs in such a position I would never be able to reach. :P
Dr Betz said before the operation that the patients need 3 to 6 months after clicking to walk.
in my case since I did 10+ obviously 6 months.
But I consider real walking not 5 minutes long with duckass and pressure on the lower back. :D :D
I consider walking, halfway normal walking with a slide duckass for 30 minutes.
I would be happy if this would be possible in the next 4 months.
But I think you will be fine after 2, 3 months. Dont try to push your self too hard. its easier that way.
I for myself accepted that i am handicapped and that my body needs time, time, time.
It took one 10+ friend 5 months after cllicking the other one 6 months.
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hey Guys,
In 13 days its my 6 month after clicking. I can walk without crutches but far away from normal. I compensate my duckass with power.
Compared to other patients my leg strengh is/was never an issue also not bone healing. I have a 13mm nail anyways.
My biggest problem was always flexibility.
But most LL patients are (i dont know how to say this nice) weaklings.
Low pain tolerance, less leg muscles but higher flexibility. Some are bending there legs in such a position I would never be able to reach. :P
Dr Betz said before the operation that the patients need 3 to 6 months after clicking to walk.
in my case since I did 10+ obviously 6 months.
But I consider real walking not 5 minutes long with duckass and pressure on the lower back. :D :D
I consider walking, halfway normal walking with a slide duckass for 30 minutes.
I would be happy if this would be possible in the next 4 months.
But I think you will be fine after 2, 3 months. Dont try to push your self too hard. its easier that way.
I for myself accepted that i am handicapped and that my body needs time, time, time.
It took one 10+ friend 5 months after cllicking the other one 6 months.
Hey amaar, I hope you can walk normal asap.
My bone healing is also not an issue but as yours at this moment my duckass makes it impossible to walk more then 5 steps without crutches .
How is your weekly improvement in relation to the end of clicking ? Is the improvement since you stopped clicking linear or is it much better for example since the 3rd month after clicking.
And you wrote in your case you can walk obviously 6 month after clicking. So in 13 days you think you can walk normal ? But now you can’t ?
For me my improvement until now is very slow and linear. In two weeks it’s 2 month that I stopped clicking. I really don’t know what to expect but From this stand It seems unbelievable that I can walk without crutches in 6 weeks. But I hope so.
But you’re right I shouldn’t push it too hard . It just needs time ;)
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Sry for my writing.
Dr betz said that the patients need 3 to 6 months after lengthening in order to walk without crutches.
in my case (category 10cm+) it should be the 6 months. A patient who might have don only 6cm could do it probably in 3 months.
But i dont consider my walking normal. i can walk 5 minutes, with pressure on my lower back due to the duckass. I also have to concentrate a lot on my hips and that my feet are close together. But i guess its not a good idea to train that too often in my situation.
The biggest improvements you usually get directly after you stoped clicking.
In my case it was the time when i went for 6 weeks straight to rehab. I was 174cm max tall when i entered the clinic, when i left the clinic, my bending knees got better and i was 181cm.
At rehab, i had twice a day 25 min pt, 1x gym training, 20 min cycle training, 30 min kinotherapeutic, 25 min massage for legs and it bands, walk training etc..
the first 2 weeks where hell. I was so exhausted i fell right into my bed. I cyceld pretty slow and i was the worst patient in the pool. i could walk only 300 meter with crutches.
Remember when you had pt with peter and you had to lie at the edge of the pt bench and he took one leg on his shoulder and pressured the other one down. and with his legs he also tried to stretch the quadriceps. He teached me that all this muscle groups somehow are connected and for a good result its important to stimulate and stretch them together
But the Pt at the rehab was a little different then usual pt. Most of the time they tied my upper body with 3 plane seat belts to the physio bench, one leg was tied up with an adjustable rope system to the wall bars to eliminate the duckass completely.
They also tied up my pelvis in such a way that it could not move.
The other free not tied up leg was pressured with force to the bench.
Since we had only 25 minutes, after pt was over they tied my other free leg with another seatbelt to the bench. After 5 minutes the pt came back again and adjusted my upper leg more towards the direction of my upper body. usually after 15 min max 20 min the pain was to strong and i untied my self. I was sweating like a dog during each session. The Pt's said that there might be something wrong with my pain feel.
I also visited betz for x rays on april. and he said I had a huge duckass but besides that everythink was fine.
The second jump i did again at the rehab after i came back from elke.
My bending knees/duckass angle went from 45 degree to 20 (they measured the angle of my femur from the bench while i was lying straight.)
other than that, my improvements are to slow to measure it weekly. I add new stretching and training methods to trick the body somehow.
You should also try new stuff for a couple of weeks. Pts, chiropractors, osteopaths have all different solution for the duckass. I guess there is a bit truth in all of them. Dont try to find out which one works best for you, just do all of them to give your body new incentives.
How do you measure your duckass angle? I stand next to a wall with my butt and shoulders lean to it and i raise with some pressure both of my hands. Then the pt makes a mark on the highest position of my fingers. I measured it today and i was 4 cm higher then two months ago.
The reason why i think you will do fine in 2 months is that not only the duckass also your weak legs make you walk only 5 steps.
you can fight on two different problems. and leg strength is coming back even if u dont do anything for it ;D.
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Sry for my writing.
Dr betz said that the patients need 3 to 6 months after lengthening in order to walk without crutches.
in my case (category 10cm+) it should be the 6 months. A patient who might have don only 6cm could do it probably in 3 months.
But i dont consider my walking normal. i can walk 5 minutes, with pressure on my lower back due to the duckass. I also have to concentrate a lot on my hips and that my feet are close together. But i guess its not a good idea to train that too often in my situation.
The biggest improvements you usually get directly after you stoped clicking.
In my case it was the time when i went for 6 weeks straight to rehab. I was 174cm max tall when i entered the clinic, when i left the clinic, my bending knees got better and i was 181cm.
At rehab, i had twice a day 25 min pt, 1x gym training, 20 min cycle training, 30 min kinotherapeutic, 25 min massage for legs and it bands, walk training etc..
the first 2 weeks where hell. I was so exhausted i fell right into my bed. I cyceld pretty slow and i was the worst patient in the pool. i could walk only 300 meter with crutches.
Remember when you had pt with peter and you had to lie at the edge of the pt bench and he took one leg on his shoulder and pressured the other one down. and with his legs he also tried to stretch the quadriceps. He teached me that all this muscle groups somehow are connected and for a good result its important to stimulate and stretch them together
But the Pt at the rehab was a little different then usual pt. Most of the time they tied my upper body with 3 plane seat belts to the physio bench, one leg was tied up with an adjustable rope system to the wall bars to eliminate the duckass completely.
They also tied up my pelvis in such a way that it could not move.
The other free not tied up leg was pressured with force to the bench.
Since we had only 25 minutes, after pt was over they tied my other free leg with another seatbelt to the bench. After 5 minutes the pt came back again and adjusted my upper leg more towards the direction of my upper body. usually after 15 min max 20 min the pain was to strong and i untied my self. I was sweating like a dog during each session. The Pt's said that there might be something wrong with my pain feel.
I also visited betz for x rays on april. and he said I had a huge duckass but besides that everythink was fine.
The second jump i did again at the rehab after i came back from elke.
My bending knees/duckass angle went from 45 degree to 20 (they measured the angle of my femur from the bench while i was lying straight.)
other than that, my improvements are to slow to measure it weekly. I add new stretching and training methods to trick the body somehow.
You should also try new stuff for a couple of weeks. Pts, chiropractors, osteopaths have all different solution for the duckass. I guess there is a bit truth in all of them. Dont try to find out which one works best for you, just do all of them to give your body new incentives.
How do you measure your duckass angle? I stand next to a wall with my butt and shoulders lean to it and i raise with some pressure both of my hands. Then the pt makes a mark on the highest position of my fingers. I measured it today and i was 4 cm higher then two months ago.
The reason why i think you will do fine in 2 months is that not only the duckass also your weak legs make you walk only 5 steps.
you can fight on two different problems. and leg strength is coming back even if u dont do anything for it ;D.
Yes 6 month to walk normal sounds more realistic.
I never been in the rehab center. I leaved the clinic after 10 days and took my pt sessions in my hometown. By knees was also bended so much . But i could stand straight after 4 weeks, when I was sitting on my sofa I put a little weights on my knees to make my leg stay straight:) it really worked good.
I feel that I can walk more steps now without crutches but I don’t want to try it. I want to be secure and wait for the x rays and dr Betz advise.
I didn’t measure my duckass , i am taking photos every week and by looking I check if it is getting better or not. And it’s really slow.
Today I had the feeling that I am taller, maybe it’s because of my duckass . I hope so.
You’re doing good improvements I think, 4 cm higher is a lot for duck ass. Recovery is longer for you but At the end you did it to be taller and you did 10cm. If you recover well a few month later you will laugh about all that ;)
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Hallo everybody,
a Little Update.
It’s almost 6 month post surgery now and 11 weeks since I stopped clicking .
End of the month i will hit the magic 3 month post clicking.
My duck ass has improved but it is still very present. I can walk longer distances now and I am going to my usual work everyday. Small distances at home I am doing without crutches now. My strength is also coming back slowly. I hit the gym almost everyday to get back in shape. I am doing also leg press etc. My knees hurts sometimes since I started to walk small distances without crutches at home I don’t know why.
To be still on crutches since 6 month really sucks. I don’t think that I can walk after three month post clicking . Not because of the strength or bone healing , it’s because of my duckass . But i try to stay positiv because there is a noticable progress week to week. I am going to the sea soon for two weeks.this will be the last two weeks for the full 3 month post clicking . There I will try to exercise and swim as much as possible...I hope Dr. Betz will be Right with saying that i wil be able to walk 3 month after clicking .
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Good to hear you are making progress. I wonder though, how often did you stretch your legs during the lengthening?
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Hello people,
i just wanted to give an update.
I am now 3 month post clicking and almost 8 month after surgery.I sent my x rays on monday to Dr Betz. He said that my bone healing is excellent and i don't need the crutches anymore. I even don't need to do x rays until i want to remove my nails. I don't have any nail bending or broken screws, everything looks fine. Also my roommate who is now 3 month post clicking has no nail bending. A lot of people here at the forum scared me that my nail will break etc. this was senseless.
I was at the sea for holiday two weeks. I was swimming and stretching everyday. From now i try to walk the most of the time without crutches. before i was walking small distances without crutches already and at home all the time.
Walking without crutches works quite well for middle distances and gets better everyday. After some distance my lower back and my legs hurts or gets sour. My duckass is still my biggest issue and it is improving but slowly. I am so happy with my new height words can't describe.I notice so much that i am taller than lot of people, it feels so good that lot of people look up to look me in the eyes. I just want to walk normal and enjoy it totally. But this takes time ..
Good to hear you are making progress. I wonder though, how often did you stretch your legs during the lengthening?
i stretch a lot of time, i did pt sometimes 2 times a day. That you can walk like this is really good. But its more depending on your natural softer tissues. There are LLers who stretches 10 times a day but there have a duckass. A Lot is depending on genetics and it looks like that you have a good body for LL. my roommate never did pt accept in the clinic after surgery. Later he just stretches a little bit at home. He lengthened 9cm and never had duckass and and just a litte bit but not noticeable wide legs its incredible.
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Hi dear friend how are you ,
I reading your daily updates and am happy that you are reaching your goal. I am planning to do it with dr baumgart in Munich and he is using fitbone , are you using the same ? The only thing about it until now that’s it’s really expensive with dr baumgart and I think Dr. Betz cheaper ,
Kindly can we stay in touch by what’s app or Instagram? If you please
If you don’t like I will stay sending you here ,
Regards
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Hey bud - how are things in 2019 - hope all is well!