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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: notatroll on May 13, 2018, 12:36:33 PM
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I've decided to create a diary and tell everybody about my experience in Barcelona with Dr M. I didn't want to create a diary, just one post and comments in other places like Mars diary. He told me not to write there and advised to create my own diary. Here is my diary.
My first post in the forum is a good introductory post.
I want to tell you something about this doctor and I’m not a troll. I’m a former patient of his. I don’t have any interest in pursuing a vendetta. I’m not Lluser. But I think some members of the forum deserve the truth. I have nothing to deal with him anymore so I can tell the truth.
For me Dr Monegal isn’t a good option. I could finish LL unscathed but many patients experienced complications and many had to deal with the doctor’s craziness. His behaviour is erratic and reckless. My first impression was: get out of here. I didn’t. I feared for my security from the very beginning. The clinic is not prepared for international patients (nobody speaks English). The doctor is showing off all the time and he tries to beat his own time records during surgeries, in detriment of his patient’s safety. He drives like a madman when he takes patients by car resorting to all kind of profanity and exceeding the speed limits. He doesn’t care about patients’ wellbeing. He only cares about himself and his reputation. He has outbursts of acute paranoia related to this forum and is insanely obsessed with the trolls here. The trolls have taken things too far, but most of what they have said is true. This doctor never admits his mistakes and blames patients of their bad results. What is worse, he hides his worst cases from prospective patients and the rest of the world so that nobody can criticize him. If people find out about them, he denies his responsibility. He’s a pathological liar. Don’t let his superficial charm fool you. He’s not a good person.
So my advice: if you can, stay away from him.
Cheers
I will post more details in the future.
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Surgery date Mr Lluser? I mean, Mr "patient" ::)
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Surgery date Mr Lluser? I mean, Mr "patient" ::)
I had surgery in 2016. No more dates please. I'm not afraid of him as I have nothing to deal with him anymore but he has my personal details in my case history and he's the type of guy who uses them for the bad. I'm not Lluser. When I came I thought LLuser was a troll but he was right in many things.
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I had surgery in 2016. No more dates please. I'm not afraid of him as I have nothing to deal with him anymore but he has my personal details in my case history and he's the type of guy who uses them for the bad. I'm not Lluser. When I came I thought LLuser was a troll but he was right in many things.
Fake.
I know for a fact that wr will never get a date from you because you are fake.
Gtfo.
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Fake.
I know for a fact that wr will never get a date from you because you are fake.
Gtfo.
Look you don't know who I am. You defend Monegal blindly but you don't know who I am. I can give my surgery date to moderators in private and my xrays to prove I was a patient but I won't publish here because this doctor isn't honest and uses personal information for the bad.
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Look you don't know who I am. You defend Monegal blindly but you don't know who I am. I can give my surgery date to moderators in private and my xrays to prove I was a patient but I won't publish here because this doctor isn't honest and uses personal information for the bad.
Never ever have I mentioned the doctors name, I'm not defending a single person here.
Exactly, I dont know who you are, and I will never know because you are a fake.
So, if you actually want to try again, with your 99th account, try to follow all the other diaries entries, you have plenty to choose from. They all follow more or less the same pattern, some with good outcomes, some with bad outcomes.
Here you are saying you are afraid that your identity might get exposed but you sure were quick to trust your own legs to a person who you had never dealt with before?
Please, give it a rest.
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Never ever have I mentioned the doctors name, I'm not defending a single person here.
Exactly, I dont know who you are, and I will never know because you are a fake.
So, if you actually want to try again, with your 99th account, try to follow all the other diaries entries, you have plenty to choose from. They all follow more or less the same pattern, some with good outcomes, some with bad outcomes.
Here you are saying you are afraid that your identity might get exposed but you sure were quick to trust your own legs to a person who you had never dealt with before?
Please, give it a rest.
You're aggressive because you think I'm Lluser but I'm not and I can prove I had the surgery in Barcelona. I've said I will show my xrays in private to mods but not to you. I don't trust fanatics and fanboys like some of you because you will tell the doctor and he has my personal details to take revenge and I want to keep LL secret. Of course I will prove I'm real to mods.
I trusted this doctor because I was desperate to be taller but I don't recommend it. I didn't get complications but some patients did and I didn't like how he dealt with us.
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You're aggressive because you think I'm Lluser but I'm not and I can prove I had the surgery in Barcelona. I've said I will show my xrays in private to mods but not to you. I don't trust fanatics and fanboys like some of you because you will tell the doctor and he has my personal details to take revenge and I want to keep LL secret. Of course I will prove I'm real to mods.
I trusted this doctor because I was desperate to be taller but I don't recommend it. I didn't get complications but some patients did and I didn't like how he dealt with us.
No one wants your name or pennis size or whatever details you are talking about, we could care less. Besides, the doctor would never damage his career just to leak a random wanderers name. You make zero sense. But you managed to point out everything that Llusers account have been saying, congratulations.
Now, do you have anything to say that Lluser has not said yet hundreds of times?
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No one wants your name or pennis size or whatever details you are talking about, we could care less. Besides, the doctor would never damage his career just to leak a random wanderers name. You make zero sense. But you managed to point out everything that Llusers account have been saying, congratulations.
Now, do you have anything to say that Lluser has not said yet hundreds of times?
I won't bother answering you. I will post my experience here and send my private information to moderators. Some of you fanmob are good people but you're too blind and can't accept the truth.
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You said you didnt have complications, but others yes.
Can you tell us the name of a doctor with 100% succes?
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And how you can prove that someone have 100% success? Opt for a better ones with more successful cases
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Please can we not resort to calling people fake and trolls in their own diaries. Your own diary should be a place where you can express freely and be given the benefit of the doubt like others here. I agree some trolls have gone too far, but notatroll is doing what he has been advised to do, and what I would personally prefer him to do, which is to write about his experience in his own diary. And he should be able to do that without fear of attack. This is somewhere, where most of us have a common goal. To share knowledge and use that knowledge to help current and pre LL’s. If in the future, people feel they cannot post their experiences for fear of being attacked, then we will have lost a really good resource of information. Let all cards be laid on the table without fear of attack, and people can then do their research and due diligence to come to their own conclusions about which path would be best for them.
Thank you for listening.
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You said you didnt have complications, but others yes.
Can you tell us the name of a doctor with 100% succes?
No doctors with 100% success but there are doctors with better success rate. I didn't have big complications. Only discomfort and knee pain and I think I will be an old man when 40 y.o. Other patients had big complications that required major surgeries but they haven't posted here. I will post about me and things I don't like in Barcelona.
Please can we not resort to calling people fake and trolls in their own diaries. Your own diary should be a place where you can express freely and be given the benefit of the doubt like others here. I agree some trolls have gone too far, but notatroll is doing what he has been advised to do, and what I would personally prefer him to do, which is to write about his experience in his own diary. And he should be able to do that without fear of attack. This is somewhere, where most of us have a common goal. To share knowledge and use that knowledge to help current and pre LL’s. If in the future, people feel they cannot post their experiences for fear of being attacked, then we will have lost a really good resource of information. Let all cards be laid on the table without fear of attack, and people can then do their research and due diligence to come to their own conclusions about which path would be best for them.
Thank you for listening.
You told me not to write in Mars' diary but you also tell Monegal's trolls not to post here. That's fair and I kindly appreciate it. Everybody deserves the benefit of doubt. I think people like you deserve the truth and I will post my opinion about LL with this doctor.
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I can't stand that bunch of users defending Monegal blindly. They're an army of trolls (same as Lluser and Mr Sarcastic, that they criticize). Let notatroll talk. He seems knowledgeable. I don't know why I should trust Musicmaker or Cinderella or PatientPrivacy or Auron more than notatroll. Perhaps they are Monegal himself as many people here think. All should be given the benefit of doubt of course.
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According to my experience where there's smoke there's a fire. The whole cosmetic LL scene is extremely shady and most of the doctors who did it in the past were crooks. Most European countries have very unfair laws with regard to patient protection, since the burden of proof is 100% on the patient, but all the evidence is in the hands of the doctors and can easily be manipulated by them. Therefore these European doctors don't have a high risk in case something happens to the patient and take the patient's risk very lightly.
These doctors are very arrogant and want to take credit only for the good outcomes and blame the patients for the bad outcomes.
I don't know Dr. M.personally but the whole discussion here shows a pattern familiar from other LL doctors.
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I dont know personally monegal, i cant say he is good or bad, but i have read some diaries from him with good succes,and others like Cooper. Its clear that something happen, but people who defend and attack this doctor like this was a yihad doesnt help future patients, facts is the only thing we can trust, so before attack someone or defend someone bring some evidences of what you say,
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Dr. Monegal will charge you the same price for internal lengthening as Dr. Giotikas in Greece, Dr. Birkholtz in South Africa, or Dr. Parihar in India. The difference is that Dr. Monegal uses a garbage nail and cripples you for life. The other doctors use a great nail and return you to fully functional, just taller.
It's sad how desperate people are to still have surgery with this lunatic quack Dr. Monegal, when there are so many better options for the same price, on of them is right there in Europe for patients who don't want to travel overseas.
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No one wants your name or pennis size or whatever details you are talking about, we could care less. Besides, the doctor would never damage his career just to leak a random wanderers name. You make zero sense. But you managed to point out everything that Llusers account have been saying, congratulations.
Now, do you have anything to say that Lluser has not said yet hundreds of times?
You sound like a child and like youre trying to protect Monegal. Obviously biased.
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Thanks for your input guys. I didn't get complications but my friends in Barcelona did and Monegal didn't do anything about them. I'm writing here to let possible prospective patients know the truth about me and the situation and facilities there.
For me the main problem is knee pain. I'm out of my wheelchair but my gait isn't normal yet (2 years post op) and I can't run. I can't bend my legs properly. Besides I have lost height post op. This is quite sad. I did this to be taller but I'm not tall enough yet. So I am still short and I will be a short old man when I'm forty. My experience in Barcelona wasn't good. Monegal didn't pay more attention to me when he got his money and he used to threaten me about not posting this forum. He has a bad personality and lots of EGO. The facilities aren't that nice for the price you pay. They are too expensive for the service you get. The staff barely speak English. You feel completely helpless until you meet some LL friends if you are lucky (some people had to lengthen alone).
Other patients who lengthened with me had complications with hardware, fractures, misalignments and nerve damage. The worst about these complications... the attitude of the doctor. He never accepted his fault. According to him patients got nerve damage because they lengthened too much (false), patients fell down and fractured (false), patients got misalignment because they walked too early (false). My Fitbone nail worked but in other patients' cases it didn't. Patients were scared because the nail stopped working... and then came back. In other cases it never came back as Musicmaker or Helloworld. The doctor always blamed them and invented stories about alien skin but it was the hardware.
My LL experience was a nightmare I'll never forget. I'm traumatized. It was hard for me but more for my friends. When you see a succesful Ivy League man crying in pain you know this is far from easy. The friendly guy who committed suicide was a succesful lawyer. And then there was the famous Musicmaker with her endless complications and sadness in her eyes. I never talked to them again but when I think about his death and her outraged beauty I feel like crying, me too.
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You are 100% right. Did you also get the fake PT?
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You are 100% right. Did you also get the fake PT?
Yes and he is even worse moral than Monegal if that's possible. He hated LL patients.
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Come on guys, be serious, monegal isnt Hitler and his pt is not Himmler, you can do it better its not necessary exagerrate.
Again facts! Not acussations. You said you are Going to write a diary, stop this nosense.
We are adults we dont need someone to tell us what to do, just write your experience
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Come on guys, be serious, monegal isnt Hitler and his pt is not Himmler, you can do it better its not necessary exagerrate.
Again facts! Not acussations. You said you are Going to write a diary, stop this nosense.
We are adults we dont need someone to tell us what to do, just write your experience
What would you like to know? I posted the facts above
Monegal isn't Hitler but he isn't a good doctor. In my opinion nobody should do elective surgery with such a 'surgeon' but it's my opinion. Mars said the fake PT isn't there anymore. You don't have to worry about him.
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Ok man,
Have you talked to other doctor about your knee pain, cant walk etc??
Sorry about my english
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Ok man,
Have you talked to other doctor about your knee pain, cant walk etc??
Sorry about my english
I visited a local doctor and he told me, 'why did you do this to yourself? This is barbaric'. He told me I would be an old man by 40. No solution.
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How long after the initial surgery did you have the nails removed? That's strange that you lost height. How much did you lengthen?
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I visited a local doctor and he told me, 'why did you do this to yourself? This is barbaric'. He told me I would be an old man by 40. No solution.
I've read most of your posts now.
I just wanted to say that treatment for arthritis will be much better in the next 20 years, and that you can get some of the height you lost by doing stretching exercises (you can look them up, or do pilates). They should also improve your posture.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/008408.html
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Hi notatroll, an you let us know how much you lengthened, what methods and femur or tibia.
Thanks
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In your opinion, what do you think monegal do wrong with you or the others patients you know.
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I've read most of your posts now.
I just wanted to say that treatment for arthritis will be much better in the next 20 years, and that you can get some of the height you lost by doing stretching exercises (you can look them up, or do pilates). They should also improve your posture.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/008408.html
My joints are not the same as before. I'm so worried. This is a light of hope you give me. Thanks
How long after the initial surgery did you have the nails removed? That's strange that you lost height. How much did you lengthen?
Hi notatroll, an you let us know how much you lengthened, what methods and femur or tibia.
Thanks
Femur. Fitbone. Retrograde. i did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. Rods removed recently but I lost height before this.
In your opinion, what do you think monegal do wrong with you or the others patients you know.
Many things were wrong. This deserves a long answer.
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Hi Troll.
Any picture or X-ray to proof you are genuine patient?
Same old story.
Good strategy to create a fake patient to slander M again and again.
Bring proofs. None of MIC residents has reported what you explain
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My joints are not the same as before. I'm so worried. This is a light of hope you give me. Thanks
Femur. Fitbone. Retrograde. i did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. Rods removed recently but I lost height before this.
Many things were wrong. This deserves a long answer.
If this all is true i am really sorry for you. Did you ever consider to contact Dr. Betz in Germany. I think he is a really good surgeon.he gets called In difficult cases of accidents to other hospitals in Germany to make the surgery because he is really that good. He is correcting also other LLers who had a bad outcome from other Dr from other countries.
Wish you the best
C
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Hi Troll.
Any picture or X-ray to proof you are genuine patient?
Same old story.
Good strategy to create a fake patient to slander M again and again.
Bring proofs. None of MIC residents has reported what you explain
You're the FAKE. None of MIC residents have ever seen you.
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If this all is true i am really sorry for you. Did you ever consider to contact Dr. Betz in Germany. I think he is a really good surgeon.he gets called In difficult cases of accidents to other hospitals in Germany to make the surgery because he is really that good. He is correcting also other LLers who had a bad outcome from other Dr from other countries.
Wish you the best
C
He's out of my budget. I can't afford him.
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Oh yes they did.
X-rays please?
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Oh yes they did.
X-rays please?
Xrays only for mods, not for you Monegal spy. I don't want his revenge.
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Come on you brave troll.
X rays troll
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I understand you dont want to get in details, but its difficult to trust you if you dont say more specific factsj, i dont say you are fake.
But i think you should give us details.
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I understand you dont want to get in details, but its difficult to trust you if you dont say more specific factsj, i dont say you are fake.
But i think you should give us details.
What else do you want? I don't want to post xrays.
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Why you think monegal is a bad surgeon, and the problems your friends had
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My joints are not the same as before. I'm so worried. This is a light of hope you give me. Thanks
Femur. Fitbone. Retrograde. i did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. Rods removed recently but I lost height before this.
Many things were wrong. This deserves a long answer.
Is common that you loose height in nail removing surgery. Good that you chose antegrade way, becuase your knees could be way worse with antegrade insertion. I am surprised Monegal accepted to do retrograde insertion, he likes to do antegrade to avoid shaft fractures.
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Is common that you loose height in nail removing surgery. Good that you chose antegrade way, becuase your knees could be way worse with antegrade insertion. I am surprised Monegal accepted to do retrograde insertion, he likes to do antegrade to avoid shaft fractures.
Why do you say that? Monegal always does retrogade (knee). I lost height before removal.
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Why you think monegal is a bad surgeon, and the problems your friends had
very long story
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Ok so end this diary so
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Ok so end this diary so
What do you mean? Do you want me to repeat? My friends got nerve damage, misalignment, fractures. One of them had more than 10 surgeries. One of them committed suicide. Do you want more details?
The doctor cares more about his EGO than his patients. He's reckless and he commits mistakes he never admits. He has no ethics. Do you want more details?
What else do you want to know?
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Why do you say that? Monegal always does retrogade (knee). I lost height before removal.
Sorry I mean retrograde, that is the reason of knee pain, I think that the Lost in height is more the inaccuracy of the fitbone implant and q angle.
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Sorry I mean retrograde, that is the reason of knee pain, I think that the Lost in height is more the inaccuracy of the fitbone implant and q angle.
Probably inaccuracy but it's also strange I got 5'9 after and now 5'8 some days.
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Probably inaccuracy but it's also strange I got 5'9 after and now 5'8 some days.
There can be a 2cm difference in morning and before bed height.
A 5'9 man will go to essentially 5'8 in a day, before bed.
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There can be a 2cm difference in morning and before bed height.
A 5'9 man will go to essentially 5'8 in a day, before bed.
I measured myself always same hour. I don't understand why I lost height.
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If this all is true i am really sorry for you. Did you ever consider to contact Dr. Betz in Germany. I think he is a really good surgeon.he gets called In difficult cases of accidents to other hospitals in Germany to make the surgery because he is really that good. He is correcting also other LLers who had a bad outcome from other Dr from other countries.
Wish you the best
C
Dude, your Dr Betz is a third rate surgeon who cannot be trusted. Be careful.
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Dude, your Dr Betz is a third rate surgeon who cannot be trusted. Be careful.
When I was in Barcelona I met many patients. They didn't like Dr Monegal but he was cheaper and some had surgery with him for that reason (me included).They had visited Dr Guichet and Dr Betz and they hadn't liked them, but some patients had met Dr Paley and Rozbruch and they had good words about them. The only problem was their price. I think European doctors have many shortcomes and Hanshi is right, patients aren't protected against malpractice. If you can avoid European doctors it's bettter to avoid them, Dr Monegal above all because he is crazier and has less experience.
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Show x rays troll! Hahaha
Same old about European doctors 😂😂😂
You sound like a broken record. Get lost but first bring some evidence
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When I was in Barcelona I met many patients. They didn't like Dr Monegal but he was cheaper and some had surgery with him for that reason (me included).They had visited Dr Guichet and Dr Betz and they hadn't liked them, but some patients had met Dr Paley and Rozbruch and they had good words about them. The only problem was their price. I think European doctors have many shortcomes and Hanshi is right, patients aren't protected against malpractice. If you can avoid European doctors it's bettter to avoid them, Dr Monegal above all because he is crazier and has less experience.
Are you another person who thinks it's solely US or no-go for LL?
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Are you another person who thinks it's solely US or no-go for LL?
I'd say there is a ranking from safe to less safe options. US is the safest. Then Dr Betz, Dr Guichet... Then Dr Monegal and others.
Show x rays troll! Hahaha
Same old about European doctors 😂😂😂
You sound like a broken record. Get lost but first bring some evidence
You DO sound like a broken record troll. Nobody knows who you are unless you're Musicmaker.
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No way troll.
While you search for your x rays just a sample of your beloved American doctors.
Just a reminder Ilizarov was Russian, as well as creators of Albuzzia, ISKD, Fitbone...all European.
LL had started in Europe since decades when your celebrity Paley was at high school.
https://www.google.es/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-doctor-dror-paley-20160318-story,amp.html
https://www.reachyourheight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2014-Fragomen-and-Rozbruch-Precision-of-PRECICE-Clinical-Orthopedics-and-Related-Research.pdf
4% implant related complications and 24% non-implant related complications
Good point troll
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What a brave diary! You are RIGHT in your opinions. I don't know about other patients but I learnt about Musicmaker's case from other people. Wheelchair bounded and her leg was shortened and crooked. She said she would be fine but she wasn't.
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So where is your "long answer" about what he did wrong?
Saying "This deserves a long answer" is not exactly a good or clear answer in itself.
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So where is your "long answer" about what he did wrong?
Saying "This deserves a long answer" is not exactly a good or clear answer in itself.
Give me time. I don't know if other patients want me to post their stories here.
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Post your own x rays first 😂😂😂
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When I was in Barcelona I met many patients. They didn't like Dr Monegal but he was cheaper and some had surgery with him for that reason (me included).They had visited Dr Guichet and Dr Betz and they hadn't liked them, but some patients had met Dr Paley and Rozbruch and they had good words about them. The only problem was their price. I think European doctors have many shortcomes and Hanshi is right, patients aren't protected against malpractice. If you can avoid European doctors it's bettter to avoid them, Dr Monegal above all because he is crazier and has less experience.
I'm one of those guys. You're right
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Let's see...
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notatroll
Date Registered:
May 05, 2018, 05:03:14 PM
Oh So Arrogant
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May 10, 2018, 08:28:42 PM
morpheus
Date Registered:
May 19, 2018, 11:20:26 PM
amigos
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May 12, 2018, 12:02:08 AM
iwontallow
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May 14, 2018, 02:32:05 AM
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So everyone who is talking in this thread is registered in May... interesting.
Cooper/LLuser... you NEED to take your pills dude. This is creepy as fk. You need to go on with your life, seriously.
It's not a matter about Monegal anymore. It's about your mental health.
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LLuser (aka Notatroll?) should take his pills, and Mr Sarcastic (aka Oh So arrogant) as well. I think there are also independent trolls who registered now because they wanted to participate in all the drama Notatroll and Ohsoarrogant created. I'm not sure, but I think Morpheus, Amigos and Iwontallow are independent users/trolls.
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LLuser (aka Notatroll?) should take his pills, and Mr Sarcastic (aka Oh So arrogant) as well. I think there are also independent trolls who registered now because they wanted to participate in all the drama Notatroll and Ohsoarrogant created. I'm not sure, but I think Morpheus, Amigos and Iwontallow are independent users/trolls.
How do you know they are different people? It's really easy to change your IP adress, everyone can do it. It is too obvious for me that this is 1 person (2 at most) obsessed with Monegal.
We agree that they are trolls. Everybody talks sh1t but nobody uploads x-rays or any kind of proof, lol.
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How do you know they are different people? It's really easy to change your IP adress, everyone can do it. It is too obvious for me that this is 1 person (2 at most) obsessed with Monegal.
We agree that they are trolls. Everybody talks sh1t but nobody uploads x-rays or any kind of proof, lol.
As I said, I'm not sure, but I have some extra data you don't have right now.
First of all, I have a background in Forensic Linguistics. The writing style of these trolls isn't the same. It's obvious there are 2 trolls at least, apart from independent trolls, like Bander72 (who decided to impersonate Dr Monegal for fun in september 2017). I'm not saying that amigos, iwontallow and morpheus are independent trolls. I don't have enough information to reach a conclusion about them yet. Anyway, independent trolls exist. Not all of them are LLuser or Mr Sarcastic... or Forced Puberty. Mods could find about this in the past through IP investigation, because trolls didn't bother to change their IP. Probably you don't remember FP but he created accounts to attack Monegal at the very beginning. He was also very aggressive, but now we know who he is, where he had his surgery and where he is from. He had as many accounts as Lluser and Mr Sarcastic. His writing style was different from them too. There would be 3 groups of troll accounts then, apart from independent trolls.
Apart from linguistic evidence, I have contextual information, since I live in Barcelona and I'm very familiar with Dr Monegal's patients, their stories and backgrounds. The type of information these guys post is different. LLuser related trolls post crap that is (remotely) linked to reality. It's obvious he was here or met someone here who gave him that information. His motivation is revenge. Other trolls post complete crap that has nothing to do with reality. I'm still wondering how someone can find this funny.
Here you have what I know.
Best regards for you all
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I have nothing to do with those trolls. Some are right. Some aren't. Some are probably fake.
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How do you know they are different people? It's really easy to change your IP adress, everyone can do it. It is too obvious for me that this is 1 person (2 at most) obsessed with Monegal.
We agree that they are trolls. Everybody talks sh1t but nobody uploads x-rays or any kind of proof, lol.
So where is your "long answer" about what he did wrong?
Saying "This deserves a long answer" is not exactly a good or clear answer in itself.
I dont know personally monegal, i cant say he is good or bad, but i have read some diaries from him with good succes,and others like Cooper. Its clear that something happen, but people who defend and attack this doctor like this was a yihad doesnt help future patients, facts is the only thing we can trust, so before attack someone or defend someone bring some evidences of what you say,
I have been thinking and I will show proofs in private to those who write to me. People deserve the truth.
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Some people (Cinderella) are accusing me in private. They call me a fake. I'm not. I was in Barcelona and had the surgery. I will post some evidence soon. Does anybody know if it's legal (not moral) to post information and Xrays got from a whatsapp group? Everyone who wants to know more please write to me. I don't know how to prove I'm real.
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Post your own x rays.
You said you would do that in private...
And you did not. I do not think posting private conversations and Other people x rays is legit.
Called you fake because you do not bring any evidence of YOU
Just the same rubbish as usual.
People can see you’re trolling. Just a quick review of your posts and it shows a paranoid obsessive profile. Pointless
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I have the links to some pictures of Monegal's 'masterwork'. It's really the worst cosmetic case I've ever seen. Worst case ever. Fractures, bad fixation, strong misalignment, terrible wounds (butcher). This is unacceptable in cosmetic surgery. This so called surgeon should be sued by the patients. Their legs are totally destroyed and they were a healthy person before. Other patients have had problems but you won't see anything like this. I'm not sure if it's legal to post the link and I don't want to make the patient suffer, so send me a PM if you want to see.
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I honestly don't think any reasonable doctor would tell a young man "yes, you will be an old man at 40 years" as you've put it. Even if the arthritis risk is higher for LL patients, a doctor can't predict whether he will develop it in 20 years or so. Seems weird to me.
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I honestly don't think any reasonable doctor would tell a young man "yes, you will be an old man at 40 years" as you've put it. Even if the arthritis risk is higher for LL patients, a doctor can't predict whether he will develop it in 20 years or so. Seems weird to me.
I think he was judging me for having got LL. He told me that I would have a 65 years old legs when I'm 40. That's what he told me.
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Be careful guys, Cinderella is probably the fake PT in disguise!
Oh yes he seems smart. In Europe we do not have FDA?
Do your research https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/medical-devices_en
Medical implants and equipments need EU approval.
I am a PT myself and anyone involved in the health sector knows about that.
Anyway thanks for the reading. Anything that brings light and knowledge is very much appreciated.
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Be careful guys, Cinderella is probably the fake PT in disguise!
LOOOOOL
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It amuses me when people post here making bizzare claims. I mean, use your logic a bit. If a doctor is that bad and has a horrible reputation people would have found out and it would become clear(Sarin for example). Listen to what your saying mate. You say Dr. M cares about his reputation yet treats his patients like . How does that even go together? If he cared about his Rep he would most certainly try to do a decent job at this surgery. Everyone drives fast in Spain lol, no surprise there. This could be true of course but hell, it's your decision at the end. And one more thing, you can share your experience ALL you want but don't go talking on behalf of other LL patients assuming what they are thinking. You had a decent recovery as you say, just go on with your life and enjoy your new height.
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Thats the point hamilton, this guy says he has a good recover, but he is only talking bad things about monegal, i mean, maybe monegal do something good man you get a good recovery, your opinion is very parcial and i think you are not Fair with him
I saw the xrays you send me,im not a doctor but its clear that is a disaster, however this is insane the way you are blaming him.
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Good recovery if I compare to my friends, the guy who killed himself, the girl with 10+ surgeries, the guys with multiple problems, terrible scars, nerve problems, misalignments and other stuff. BUT I DO have permanent knee pain and I limp. I can't bend my knees (trying to recover with a real PT). My joints aren't ok. I'm out of my wheelchair, YES, but still have these side effects after 2 years. Also I lost height. This is so sad. I wanted to be taller but I'm barely 2 inches more. Dr Monegal didn't give solutions. He doesn't accept reality.
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Good recovery if I compare to my friends, the guy who killed himself, the girl with 10+ surgeries, the guys with multiple problems, terrible scars, nerve problems, misalignments and other stuff. BUT I DO have permanent knee pain and I limp. I can't bend my knees (trying to recover with a real PT). My joints aren't ok. I'm out of my wheelchair, YES, but still have these side effects after 2 years. Also I lost height. This is so sad. I wanted to be taller but I'm barely 2 inches more. Dr Monegal didn't give solutions. He doesn't accept reality.
If that's true how would he still have his license?
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Im from spain, we havent a good reputation actually but i can say that spanish medical care is on the top, i can say honestly
Our politic people are rubbish and a lot of things more. But i cant imagine a doctor from my country blackmailing patients, he can do mistakes(terrible mistakes as you said). But patients scare of report doctor mistakes, because he will not fix their problems..
I dont say you are fake but in this Forum i have seen good and full detailed diaries with good outcomes.
Thanks for your opinion anyway.
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If that's true how would he still have his license?
Dude, do you really think a doctor could loose his license for such trifles? Doctors are a privileged class. If they make a mistake it'll be covered up by another doctor.
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Dude, do you really think a doctor could loose his license for such trifles? Doctors are a privileged class. If they make a mistake it'll be covered up by another doctor.
I'm not familiar with how it is in Spain but I mean he should logically if he's messing people up and then threatening them. (Which has yet to be proven by the way)
If something like that truly happened to me I would post it everywhere and not care about his legal threats. Who are these "victims" who are in hiding and won't say a peep?
Dude if I paid someone 50k+ and they made me a cripple and then taunted/mocked me and threatened me like is being alleged? I would most likely kill that motherfxker i'm dead serious too. And then the court system can handle THAT since they didn't want to listen when it was time to listen.
This is why I don't believe the story at all. Sure there may have been problems which is not that uncommon but there are details missing for sure.
If he has a lack of competency on LL as a doctor then yes I would hope his license is taken away.
Overall I do not believe the negative stories about this doctor to this extent they're being told. I'm just one person but I am just not convinced. Doesn't matter regardless, I never contemplated going to him. But if you're gonna tarnish his reputation at least give the whole story, not bits and pieces.
I'm just unconvinced.
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+1 johnson.
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Im from spain, we havent a good reputation actually but i can say that spanish medical care is on the top, i can say honestly
Our politic people are rubbish and a lot of things more. But i cant imagine a doctor from my country blackmailing patients, he can do mistakes(terrible mistakes as you said). But patients scare of report doctor mistakes, because he will not fix their problems..
I dont say you are fake but in this Forum i have seen good and full detailed diaries with good outcomes.
Thanks for your opinion anyway.
+1 johnson.
I'm not familiar with how it is in Spain but I mean he should logically if he's messing people up and then threatening them. (Which has yet to be proven by the way)
If something like that truly happened to me I would post it everywhere and not care about his legal threats. Who are these "victims" who are in hiding and won't say a peep?
Dude if I paid someone 50k+ and they made me a cripple and then taunted/mocked me and threatened me like is being alleged? I would most likely kill that motherfxker i'm dead serious too. And then the court system can handle THAT since they didn't want to listen when it was time to listen.
This is why I don't believe the story at all. Sure there may have been problems which is not that uncommon but there are details missing for sure.
If he has a lack of competency on LL as a doctor then yes I would hope his license is taken away.
Overall I do not believe the negative stories about this doctor to this extent they're being told. I'm just one person but I am just not convinced. Doesn't matter regardless, I never contemplated going to him. But if you're gonna tarnish his reputation at least give the whole story, not bits and pieces.
I'm just unconvinced.
If you're unconvinced write to me. I can send you proofs. Tell me what you want and I will send it to you.
Some patients will sue now. I hope we can prepare a class action lawsuit. Our lawers have advised not to publish the details here. This could be used against us.
Dude, do you really think a doctor could loose his license for such trifles? Doctors are a privileged class. If they make a mistake it'll be covered up by another doctor.
Hanshi is the only rational person here, the only one with real knowledge of how the medicine business works in Europe. Johnson and Bushguy have the attitude of innocent children. Guys, wake up. This isn't Disneyland (I beg your pardon Cinderella).
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Do you think im Going to trust someone who i cant see his eyes, do you think your words are worth more than the others?
Are you trying to sell your opinion to everyone?
i have asked for facts few times and you just send me a x ray of a woman(i have to believe that is a monegal patient) a lot of complaints and a story about a group of people who are crippled and terrified of denouncing the wicked doctor.
Good luck with your lawyers big boy.(i think you dont need them you are so smart)
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Do you think im Going to trust someone who i cant see his eyes, do you think your words are worth more than the others?
Are you trying to sell your opinion to everyone?
i have asked for facts few times and you just send me a x ray of a woman(i have to believe that is a monegal patient) a lot of complaints and a story about a group of people who are crippled and terrified of denouncing the wicked doctor.
Good luck with your lawyers big boy.(i think you dont need them you are so smart)
You only see the positive. You don't trust me when I say there are more negative than positive outcomes. No, you prefer to trust the crazy doctor and the people he has hired (many fake accounts). I send proofs. Look at them. It's a fitbone. It's a woman. We know for sure this woman in forum had a fracture. You don' trust me. Well, you deserve the same luck than that woman. I have other xrays of other people if you want but you'll say they are fake. Good luck
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No trolls allowed in Disneyland.
Don’t call crazy the doctor, go and take your pills
Instead of posting other people x rays, post your own x rays
C’mon lluser show your x rays, take your pills, and get out of Disneyland
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No trolls allowed in Disneyland.
Don’t call crazy the doctor, go and take your pills
Instead of posting other people x rays, post your own x rays
C’mon lluser show your x rays, take your pills, and get out of Disneyland
I escaped from that horror castle long time ago. Phew! But it seems you're still under the effects of the magic mushrooms with your beloved friend MM. Come down to reality babes! LL isn't a joke. This isn't Disneyland. No Cinderellas or fanboys allowed in LL.
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Let’s come down to reality. No more Disneyland talk allowed, hun.
If I had to choose a surgeon, I would ask reputable people, not lunatics in a toxic forum. Write for example to the Fitbone manufacturer and ask about surgeon choice: https://www.wittenstein.de/en-en/contact/#_ga=2.26782906.66000170.1527637969-161295455.1527637969
What name do you think they will give for cosmetic LL?
If Dr Monegal was a bad surgeon, do you think he would have become a Fitbone instructor?
If he was a bad surgeon , why would Dr Lee and Dr Solomin have come to see how he works in OR?
If he was a bad surgeon, why is he the doctor with most diaries of successful cases in this forum?
Yet some of you have decided to pay more attention to this creepy troll than to the medical community. GREAT.
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Let’s come down to reality. No more Disneyland talk allowed, hun.
If I had to choose a surgeon, I would ask reputable people, not lunatics in a toxic forum. Write for example to the Fitbone manufacturer and ask about surgeon choice: https://www.wittenstein.de/en-en/contact/#_ga=2.26782906.66000170.1527637969-161295455.1527637969
What name do you think they will give for cosmetic LL?
If Dr Monegal was a bad surgeon, do you think he would have become a Fitbone instructor?
If he was a bad surgeon , why would Dr Lee and Dr Solomin have come to see how he works in OR?
If he was a bad surgeon, why is he the doctor with most diaries of successful cases in this forum?
Yet some of you have decided to pay more attention to this creepy troll than to the medical community. GREAT.
Nice try Monegal minion but I have the proofs for everyone to see... and you, who are you but a Monegal minion?
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Let’s come down to reality. No more Disneyland talk allowed, hun.
If I had to choose a surgeon, I would ask reputable people, not lunatics in a toxic forum. Write for example to the Fitbone manufacturer and ask about surgeon choice: https://www.wittenstein.de/en-en/contact/#_ga=2.26782906.66000170.1527637969-161295455.1527637969
What name do you think they will give for cosmetic LL?
If Dr Monegal was a bad surgeon, do you think he would have become a Fitbone instructor?
If he was a bad surgeon , why would Dr Lee and Dr Solomin have come to see how he works in OR?
If he was a bad surgeon, why is he the doctor with most diaries of successful cases in this forum?
Yet some of you have decided to pay more attention to this creepy troll than to the medical community. GREAT.
This post from Dr. Monegal a.k.a. patientprivacy is so filled with lies it's hard to sort them all out.
1. No nail manufacturer "recommends" a particular doctor, they work with many doctors. If they do recommend one particular doctor out of all the rest that's a clear sign of a highly suspicious relationship and you should avoid that company and the doctor.
2. Dr. Lee and Dr. Solomin didn't come to see Dr. Monegal work in the OR to learn anything. They came for a completely different and separate reason, and you know it. Nice try.
3. Dr. Monegal is the doctor with the most so called successful diaries because he's the only doctor who threatens patients that they have to post positive diaries with positive outcomes or suffer the consequences. Not to mention all the fake diaries written by Dr. Monegal himself or his staff of fake physical therapists.
4. Cooper would have been crippled by Dr. Monegal if he didn't leave Barcelona and go to Dr. Paley to fix the horror show created by Dr. Monegal. Musicmaker is still a cripple after all these years and a dozen surgeries. Every doctor can have patients develop complications. Only the worst doctors can't fix them. Dr. Monegal is a proud member of the worst doctors club.
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I talked to the admin of this forum and explained I can't publish all the bad stuff about Dr Monegal yet, but I sent him some evidence. Guys, I'm not a troll. I can't publish the worst details yet because our lawyers told us not to disclose any data if there will be active lawsuits. I can post something though. Justice sent me this screenshot and gave his permission to publish here. It’s totally legal. This information was uploaded in a public webpage for a while
https://anonfile.com/N8mcc1f4b8/302B0F56-6BEC-403E-A38D-32274BCBE817.jpeg
It's about the fake PT. This guy (Claudio) showed up in our rooms in Clinica Diagonal introducing himself as our 'physiotherapist' when he wasn't licensed. The PTs in Clinica Diagonal told one patient in 2015 Claudio wasn't a PT but an OR cleaner. Some patients investigated and found out in the internet that he had a fake profile in a Spanish webpage for doctors (www.doctoralia.es) where he said he was a doctor (radiologist) and a physiotherapist. He later removed that information but some patients got screenshots.You have one of the screenshots above. If you call the Colegio de Fisioterapeutas de Catalunya they will confirm this guy doesn’t have a license.
So the guy wasn't licensed. He was a fake physical therapist.. When people discovered this, they didn't want him but Monegal obliged them to hire Claudio. Monegal is as guilty as Claudio because he imposed an unlicensed physiotherapist to his patients. Perhaps he received a commission. Claudio didn't know how to treat patients, charged ridiculous amounts of money and was mean with many of them. I heard many complaints when I was a patient. Many people were unhappy incuding Monegal fans like MM.
The fake PT isn't there anymore because some people sued him. I think Monegal could be sued too. A honest doctor wouldn't put his delicate patients' limbs in the hands of an unlicensed guy without any proper credentials. This is just one proof of Monegal's LL dishonest practice.
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Claudio is a PT (Personal Trainer) not physiotherapist, that helps in the recovery.
For that reason people might call him physiotherapist, even though he is not licensed by the Spanish Authorities, as he only did medical studies in Argentina.
I did 12 hours with him, costing 500 euro, if I remeber correctly.
Do you really think Dr. Monegal would care about the commission on 500 euro?
Dr. Monegal told me that he recommends Claudio because he is part of his team, and also in present during the operation, so he has a constant communication with him.
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1. Wittenstein personnel did tell me that Monegal is one of their most experienced doctors and doctor with most cosmetic patients.
2. Dr. Lee and Dr. Solomin came to observe the operations of Monegal for what reason?
3. I know many postive cases and success diaries personally.
This post from Dr. Monegal a.k.a. patientprivacy is so filled with lies it's hard to sort them all out.
1. No nail manufacturer "recommends" a particular doctor, they work with many doctors. If they do recommend one particular doctor out of all the rest that's a clear sign of a highly suspicious relationship and you should avoid that company and the doctor.
2. Dr. Lee and Dr. Solomin didn't come to see Dr. Monegal work in the OR to learn anything. They came for a completely different and separate reason, and you know it. Nice try.
3. Dr. Monegal is the doctor with the most so called successful diaries because he's the only doctor who threatens patients that they have to post positive diaries with positive outcomes or suffer the consequences. Not to mention all the fake diaries written by Dr. Monegal himself or his staff of fake physical therapists.
4. Cooper would have been crippled by Dr. Monegal if he didn't leave Barcelona and go to Dr. Paley to fix the horror show created by Dr. Monegal. Musicmaker is still a cripple after all these years and a dozen surgeries. Every doctor can have patients develop complications. Only the worst doctors can't fix them. Dr. Monegal is a proud member of the worst doctors club.
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Sorry to hear that pal. Given how lucrative this can be for the doctors, I am sure there are one or two unscrupulous doctors out there. Thanks for posting and telling your story.
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Sorry to hear that pal. Given how lucrative this can be for the doctors, I am sure there are one or two unscrupulous doctors out there. Thanks for posting and telling your story.
You're welcome. I will post more things and proofs when I'm ready. I'm not sure about the commission part but why would this doctor IMPOSE a fake Physical therapist to his patients if the reason isn't money? Unscrupulous of course. Many things prove that he is.
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Claudio is a PT (Personal Trainer) not physiotherapist, that helps in the recovery.
For that reason people might call him physiotherapist, even though he is not licensed by the Spanish Authorities, as he only did medical studies in Argentina.
I did 12 hours with him, costing 500 euro, if I remeber correctly.
Do you really think Dr. Monegal would care about the commission on 500 euro?
Dr. Monegal told me that he recommends Claudio because he is part of his team, and also in present during the operation, so he has a constant communication with him.
This guy isn't licensed by Spanish authorities, but he isn't licensed in Argentina either. He didn't do medical studies at all. He hasn't a degree in Physiotherapy or Medicine. He hasn't a degree at all. He doesn't have the proper qualification to help patients in their recoveries. But Monegal IMPOSED him to his patients. HUGE RED FLAG.
THE PROBLEM is not 'people might call him physiotherapist' as you said. The PROBLEM is he called HIMSELF physiotherapist and doctor!!!
https://anonfile.com/N8mcc1f4b8/302B0F56-6BEC-403E-A38D-32274BCBE817.jpeg
He scammed LL patients. Dr Monegal allowed him to do it. This is a CRIME. They should be heavily punished. Thanks to Dr Monegal this guy could charge insane amounts of money (more than real physical therapists) to patients who didn't want him at all and were verbally abused by him. You don't remember well. He charged 40 euros per 45 minutes sessions and 30 minutes consisted of him watching you biking and moving a ball. Some patients asked for a bill and he wasn't able to do it. He was ALSO avoiding taxes. He should be reported to Spanish authorities.
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1. Wittenstein personnel did tell me that Monegal is one of their most experienced doctors and doctor with most cosmetic patients.
2. Dr. Lee and Dr. Solomin came to observe the operations of Monegal for what reason?
3. I know many postive cases and success diaries personally.
You and Musicmaker defend this unscrupulous doctor but he was throwing about you two to other patients and Fitbone when your fitbones failed. HUGE RED FLAG. Take action and take care.
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You and Musicmaker defend this unscrupulous doctor but he was throwing about you two to other patients and Fitbone when your fitbones failed. HUGE RED FLAG. Take action and take care.
Yet to prove you are a patient not showing any X Ray HUGE RED FLAG
Banned 4-5 times for using multiple account HUGE RED FLAG
Posting other users X Ray CRIME and HUGE RED FLAG
Probably MM will take legal action against you. As far as we all know she is doing well and not bounded on a wheelchair as you try to scam here...HUGE RED FLAG
3 years trolling and referring to same cases HUGE RED FLAG
So here you say that a doctor earning probably thousands of € will impose a Physical trainer to get a commission? Absurd again
I am a PT myself, and a patient...you need proof of that?
I will post my XRays as soon as you post yours 😂😂
No one knows you as a patient but as the troll in the forums.
By the way every post of yours refers to your mind obsession. Have you seen a psychiatrist?
We all know you need help! Be strong Trolly
HUGE RED FLAG
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Yet to prove you are a patient not showing any X Ray HUGE RED FLAG
Banned 4-5 times for using multiple account HUGE RED FLAG
Posting other users X Ray CRIME and HUGE RED FLAG
Probably MM will take legal action against you. As far as we all know she is doing well and not bounded on a wheelchair as you try to scam here...HUGE RED FLAG
3 years trolling and referring to same cases HUGE RED FLAG
So here you say that a doctor earning probably thousands of € will impose a Physical trainer to get a commission? Absurd again
I am a PT myself, and a patient...you need proof of that?
I will post my XRays as soon as you post yours 😂😂
No one knows you as a patient but as the troll in the forums.
By the way every post of yours refers to your mind obsession. Have you seen a psychiatrist?
We all know you need help! Be strong Trolly
HUGE RED FLAG
Stay out of my diary Monegal spy
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Ok Lluser1.
You call this crap a diary?
Yet to proof anything? 😂😂😂
No x rays shown? REF FLAG
Just the same bull as in your previous 80 post? RED FLAG
Use it to publish private medical info of other users? CRIME
As said... call me soy but I am real patient. I will post my x rays when you post your own! 😂😂
When will your ban be on again? Is it the 5th or 6th account you got banned?
This in my opinion should be permanent:
1- create false diary
2- multiple accounts
3- recurrent speech
4- link private medical info of other users
I beg mods to take note.
By Llooser
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Guys I know there are worse cases in this forum such as MasterHy (dead), Musicmaker and Unicorn. I'm alive and out of my wheelchair but my joints are not the same as before. My knees hurt and weird noises come from them after 2 years. I limp. People mock me. My life isn't the same and I think it won't be the same anymore. I don't have any money left for help. Dr Monegal ruined my health and my life for greed and also many others'. I won't stop complaining until I recover my pre LL life OR the doctor pays for his mistakes. Write to me if you want to sue. Together we can.
I've come to a point where I truly believe that there's bad luck and then, there's also incompetence/neglect/arrogance on the part of the doctors.
Someone reminded me again about MasterHY's diary on the old MakeMeTaller site from 2013 which is quite similar to mine where we were initially so enthusiastic and in complete adulation of our doctors to discover that the moment complications happen, we all get abandoned, dismissed and swept under the rug.
So yes, there is a bunch of us... sort of hanging around haunting these doctors because of the way they handled complications. And we won't stop until we're healed no matter how many years it takes.
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Guys I know there are worse cases in this forum such as MasterHy (dead), Musicmaker and Unicorn. I'm alive and out of my wheelchair but my joints are not the same as before. My knees hurt and weird noises come from them after 2 years. I limp. People mock me. My life isn't the same and I think it won't be the same anymore. I don't have any money left for help. Dr Monegal ruined my health and my life for greed and also many others'. I won't stop complaining until I recover my pre LL life OR the doctor pays for his mistakes. Write to me if you want to sue. Together we can.
I read on the old forum that MasterHy was presumebly dead by a random guy, is it true? What happened?
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I read on the old forum that MasterHy was presumebly dead by a random guy, is it true? What happened?
Dead by a random guy? What does it mean? He had surgery some years ago. His bone was infected and developped non union. He got new expensive surgeries in the USA. After his last surgery, very hard surgery, he stopped replying. His friends think he died from complications and not by a random guy (whatever it means).
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Dead by a random guy? What does it mean? He had surgery some years ago. His bone was infected and developped non union. He got new expensive surgeries in the USA. After his last surgery, very hard surgery, he stopped replying. His friends think he died from complications and not by a random guy (whatever it means).
Hi,
I ment that some random guy posted that he is dead. It could be anything, he might recovered already, I assume we will never know.
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Hi,
I ment that some random guy posted that he is dead. It could be anything, he might recovered already, I assume we will never know.
It wasn't a random guy. The guys who posted about his posible death were his LL classmates. They were in touch with him out of this forum.
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It wasn't a random guy. The guys who posted about his posible death were his LL classmates. They were in touch with him out of this forum.
I hope he is ok and not dead, all I can say.
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I hope he is ok and not dead, all I can say.
Me too but I have little hope.
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Can you please explain more how is your height keep changing ?
Can you send me in privet your number
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Can you please explain more how is your height keep changing ?
Can you send me in privet your number
When I finished lengthening, I lost some height. I did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. I don't know why. Compression? I don't know. My worst problem is knee pain and limp but I'm ok if you compare me to my classmates in and out of forum.
I can't send my number. There are many spies of my exdoctor in the forum and he's full of revenge. Be careful. Among CLL doctors there are many psychopaths.They'll do whatever to get your money.
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When I finished lengthening, I lost some height. I did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. I don't know why. Compression? I don't know. My worst problem is knee pain and limp but I'm ok if you compare me to my classmates in and out of forum.
I can't send my number. There are many spies of my exdoctor in the forum and he's full of revenge. Be careful. Among CLL doctors there are many psychopaths.They'll do whatever to get your money.
Its not normal to lose height if your xrays are like when you finished lengthening. Are you sure that you measured your height correctly?
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Its not normal to lose height if your xrays are like when you finished lengthening. Are you sure that you measured your height correctly?
I measured myself in the same place same hour. Are there other factors? But I went from 5'9 to 5'8 or 5'85. :'(
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I measured myself in the same place same hour. Are there other factors? But I went from 5'9 to 5'8 or 5'85. :'(
If xrays look the same It makes no sense to think that you Lost height for a lengthening problem. Maybe you didnt measure well or your spinal discs were more expanded
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What do you think about knee pain, limping and knee noises?
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Limping , do you go to the gym and do stretches? You need yo recover all the Muscle Lost
For the other things i dont know
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Limping , do you go to the gym and do stretches? You need yo recover all the Muscle Lost
For the other things i dont know
I do exercises in gym but I can't afford a PT. My limping is caused by pain. When I'm not in pain I don't limp. Other classmates limp all the time. I'm sort of lucky. :'(
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When you hear clicks and pops are they painless?
On a scale of 1- 10 how bad is the knee pain?
Did you have any knee pain at all prior to LL?
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When you hear clicks and pops are they painless?
On a scale of 1- 10 how bad is the knee pain?
Did you have any knee pain at all prior to LL?
When you hear clicks and pops are they painless? Yes. Sometimes I hear clicks and pops and I have pain at the same time but I think they aren't related.
On a scale of 1- 10 how bad is the knee pain? Usually 6-7/10. I had one 9/10 episode.
Did you have any knee pain at all prior to LL? Never
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I would go to a rheumatologist near you to get checked out.
They specialize in joints and bones it sounds like you may have arthritis in your knee, but I’m not a doctor.
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I would go to a rheumatologist near you to get checked out.
They specialize in joints and bones it sounds like you may have arthritis in your knee, but I’m not a doctor.
I visited a local doctor. He talked indeed about premature arthritis after this barbaric procedure by a barbaric surgeon. I'll be a crippled old man at 40.
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Hello Friends
I haven't posted for a while so I wanted to give a quick update same as Helloworld did.
Muscle strength:
I can move my legs but I can't fully bend my knees and I can't lift much weight with my legs. Some girls do better than me at gym. This never happened before surgery.
Speed
I can't run anymore. I'm pissed off about this. I'm not the sporty type but I need running sometimes in my daily life and it's hard not being able to run.
Flexibility
Before surgery I could touch the floor with my entire palm. Now I can't. But I'm taller so I don't care about this
Side Effects
I have described my side effects in this diary. I have knee pain. Some days I can't barely walk. I hear clicks and pops in my knee. During the last few months this hasn't changed.
Was it worth it?
NO! I don't care I'm taller. I can't use my legs as before. I can't travel alone like before. I need help from friends or caretakers. I thought my life would be better when taller but I'm a cripple, I'm half a man. My self esteem is SO LOW.
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So is this diary fake or real?? Anyone has any idea?
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can anyone tell me what truly happened here?
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can anyone tell me what truly happened here?
I believe that this is a fake history to discourage people from doing CLL. There aren't pictures or xrays.
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Any update?
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Look you don't know who I am. You defend Monegal blindly but you don't know who I am. I can give my surgery date to moderators in private and my xrays to prove I was a patient but I won't publish here because this doctor isn't honest and uses personal information for the bad.
Whoever Auron is, it seems to be a Dr Monegal personality, him. What NOTATROLL says is very accurate in my experience if not worse. I am in the medical biz so feel somewhat able to describe this physician. He is a sociopath in my estimation. Yes. If you read the rest of the comments here you will understand. If you look up the personality of a sociopath he meets all the criteria. He does not a care one iota about you. He cares about him. He is a divorcee with 2 children and has a 21 yr old or near that nurse girl friend. He cares about the initial surgery because he likes the money. After that good freekin luck. I almost died indirectly from him. He promised me narcotic pain medication before I came over as most studies indicate as appropriate for this surgery but gave me Acetaminophen 1000mg and Nolotil only available in Spain and Portugal for broken femurs! Both of these meds are ineffective for this type of pain but he could give a hoot. It got so bad a day out of the hospital I had to go to the local ER for pain control. I was in a wheel chair and getting to the hospital was an incredible journey. He would not give me anything! so I hopped a plane and developed a life threatening clot on the long flight home. He lied to me that he would give me pain medication. Before I came over he told me in an email (which I have) he would give me narcotic pain meds. He never did and could only get some back home which I had to take for around 9 months.
Another of his promises, "I will remove the IM nails at no charge, just the hospital expenses". He would not. He did not. I called him for 12 days to arrange the removal but he would not answer my phone messages or emails. He could give a rats rear end. After I complained to the hospital who must know him well (Diagonal) he miraculously responded to me but he was pissed. He answered me some after that but I decided to pay for a physician here at home and cut my losses with a real human being surgeon. I could not take his lies and promises. He came to my room one day and spent 15 minutes telling me he was in the top 3 in the world for LL. I was very uncomfortable listening to this guy. Illusions of grandeur?
If you think you are getting a deal from this guy, you might get what you pay for or less. I found him to be one of the most despicable persons in the medical business in my lifetime. I work in hospitalsin the U.S. and consult with physicians. (I have a doctorate if interested). In the U.S. we might call him a used car salesman. I do not recommend him. If you go to him, on you.
p.s. his so called physical therapists are a real waste of money. I went to PT here in the U.S.
One more thing, I expect to be attacked for my comments. He does not like criticism. The long story of Spanish man who had the surgery a year or two ago and wrote extensively of his experience is greatly (by Monegal?) exaggerated or untrue. After surgery "you don't take a pain med, ie, Acetaminophen an go to sleep". All LL includes sever pain that is addressed by narcotic pain medications, not Acetam 1000mg or the questionable Nolotil whatever that is.
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I understand you dont want to get in details, but its difficult to trust you if you dont say more specific factsj, i dont say you are fake.
But i think you should give us details.
Believe what you want friend. Notartroll has no motivation to lie. She does not need to discuss personal details. I would not show my xrays. Don't believe her if you prefer. I do understand your skepticism but this is not a court of law. You get what you get.
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What would you like to know? I posted the facts above
Monegal isn't Hitler but he isn't a good doctor. In my opinion nobody should do elective surgery with such a 'surgeon' but it's my opinion. Mars said the fake PT isn't there anymore. You don't have to worry about him.
Interesting Bushguy come out and defends Monegal. Does Bushguy have personal experience or just trying to help repair the image of Monegal?
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LOOOOOL
Sounds like a fair guess, he definitely is bias!
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I dont know personally monegal, i cant say he is good or bad, but i have read some diaries from him with good succes,and others like Cooper. Its clear that something happen, but people who defend and attack this doctor like this was a yihad doesnt help future patients, facts is the only thing we can trust, so before attack someone or defend someone bring some evidences of what you say,
I think you make a fair point. I went to Guichet a couple of times. Quite arrogant and condescending. They love to do surgery and the money.
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Thats the point hamilton, this guy says he has a good recover, but he is only talking bad things about monegal, i mean, maybe monegal do something good man you get a good recovery, your opinion is very parcial and i think you are not Fair with him
I saw the xrays you send me,im not a doctor but its clear that is a disaster, however this is insane the way you are blaming him.
Very sanctimonious....physicians may care about their reputation if they are losing patients. Obviously some docs do not care about their pts but care about their reputation. That may sound like a conundrum but some don't have the skill set and try everything to cover their ass.
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Some people (Cinderella) are accusing me in private. They call me a fake. I'm not. I was in Barcelona and had the surgery. I will post some evidence soon. Does anybody know if it's legal (not moral) to post information and Xrays got from a whatsapp group? Everyone who wants to know more please write to me. I don't know how to prove I'm real.
Of course you are not a fake. When one exposes a surgeon, that surgeon is not going to be happy thus Cinderella.
This will not please some but I think my surgery went well. He may have learned from his mistakes but after surgery you are on your own. I could have died from his lack of after care. Please way all the facts before you think he will do you well. I really would try elsewhere.
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I do understand your skepticism but this is not a court of law. You get what you get.
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remove please
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****please remove this post. It was written under duress. thank you.
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[qPlease remove this inappropriate post---my post. Thank you.
. I am in the medical biz so feel somewhat able to describe this physician. He is capable but you must be prepared to take care of yourself in my estimation. Yes. If you read the rest of the comments here you will understand. I am not sure why but I like him I just know I have to be responsible for everything. After that good freekin luck. because it is not an easy journey. He promised me narcotic pain medication before I came over as APAP 1000mg and Nolotil [/b]only available in Spain and Portugal for broken femurs! Both of these meds are ineffective for this type of pain so get a bunch of narcotic before you go. It got so bad a day out of the hospital I had to go to the local ER for pain control. I was in a wheel chair and getting to the hospital was an incredible journey. I don't understand his reluctance to give real pain meds I hopped a plane home so I could get pain relief. Before I came over he told me in an email (which I have) he would give me narcotic pain meds. He never did and could only get some back home which I had to take for around 9 months.
If you think you are getting a deal from this guy, you might say he is affordable. let me say again be prepared to have a helper.. I found him to be capable of doing surgery but you are on your own essentially afterwards . I think with practice he has become very skilled. As I remind know what food, ie, protein, supplements and vitamins to take. Try to get PT in your home country.
p.s. his so called physical therapists are questionable. I went to PT here in the U.S.
I cannot speak to the past. I think it is fair to talk about what he can do today. It is a risky business but my results were perfect results. He is a good surgeon but be prepared for your after care.
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have u recovered
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Good question. 100% recovery. I have not tried a 50 yard dash but I can run and do everything I did before surgery. I think he is quite capable. Practice makes perfect(?) they say.
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how long after lengthening did it take?
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How are you saltedchocolate?
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how long after lengthening did it take?
Took about 1.5yrs to recover. The pain is bad. Malpractice not to give pain medications that work. He came saw me in pain one night. He did nothing. He would not order pain meds for me so do factor that into your choice. He just looked at me when I said I need pain meds and said, "oxycodone"? I did not care what narcotic pain med since they all work about the same, depends some on the person. Really, doing this surgery and no pain meds (acetaminophen, Nolotil, and NSAIDS) do not work. No surgeon I know of will not give narcotic pain meds after LL. I am quite surprised no one talks about the real pain.