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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: Sweden on April 10, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
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It's getting better:
(http://imgur.com/VGn8Et3)
Although life sucks after LL.
I'll explain more later.
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It's getting better:
(http://i.imgur.com/VGn8Et3.jpg)
Although life sucks after LL.
I'll explain more later.
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Wow. Those are some nice long legs! ;D
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Nice video Sweden. Your walking and movements look normal. Your proportions look good too but if you do femurs don't do too much.
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Absolutely marvelous!! ;D ;D
Definitely made me laugh.
As to your video, thanks for creating such a detailed post-lengthening video showing your proportions and degree of recovery. Those were some impressive moves, especially for not being fully recovered from lengthening. I can't imagine some of the crazy stuff you could do at your 100% level. Could you post your youtube video on here as well?
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Sweden were those standard dress shoes you were wearing? You emphasised the height of them and I didn't know whether you were implying that they were lifts or not ???
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I could really do everything. The 720 kick was my favorite, you spin 720 degrees in the air and throw a kick. Breaks everything you hit. :)
Sweden were those standard dress shoes you were wearing? You emphasised the height of them and I didn't know whether you were implying that they were lifts or not ???
It was difficult to show the shoes in the video, you're right.
The first brown ones are fancy fancy dress shoes, no lift more than normal 2-3cm.
The second one I try to display the 10cm lift it is supposed to give me. The black shoes.
I also try to measure myself against the pole which I kick - with both shoes on.
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Awesome videos Sweden, really impressive. I also have to give you praise for that awesome mask (jason mask is cool too but imo that other one with the jaws is more badass)
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I could really do everything. The 720 kick was my favorite, you spin 720 degrees in the air and throw a kick. Breaks everything you hit. :)
It was difficult to show the shoes in the video, you're right.
The first brown ones are fancy fancy dress shoes, no lift more than normal 2-3cm.
The second one I try to display the 10cm lift it is supposed to give me. The black shoes.
I also try to measure myself against the pole which I kick - with both shoes on.
10cm? Wow! Do they actually provide that? How tall do you reckon you actually were with them on?
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10cm? Wow! Do they actually provide that? How tall do you reckon you actually were with them on?
10cm+ shoes give you 7cm of height. It's just the way it is. With them on I'm 185/186cm tall. Pretty terrific feeling.
Tack ska du ha Jätten! 8)
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Even though you don't want to paste your whole diary again, it would be cool if you posted your updates in one thread like this. Lots of people here look forward to your progress.
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Can someone post the video links (youtube) ? Thank you.
Ask and thou shall receive :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8TWt0MdGs&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuEWbMG7Biw&feature=youtu.be
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Even though you don't want to paste your whole diary again, it would be cool if you posted your updates in one thread like this. Lots of people here look forward to your progress.
Alright. I'll try to copy the updates.
Great work Rivers!!
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Wow your proportions look good!
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I honestly think that you don't need to do femur lengthening as your proportions look great and you are regaining your athletic ability. Considering that you really value martial arts and being active, femur lengthening is not really worth it as you may risk losing your athletic ability even more and becoming disproportionate.
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I honestly think that you don't need to do femur lengthening as your proportions look great and you are regaining your athletic ability. Considering that you really value martial arts and being active, femur lengthening is not really worth it as you may risk losing your athletic ability even more and becoming disproportionate.
I was thinking about the same thing when I saw your proportions.
As I mentioned on the other site, you do look taller than 180.
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Sweden, thanks for the video.
It's good to see how you are progressing. I really admire your flexibility, agility and kicks. Wish I could kick that high. Dr. Sarin did a pretty nice job with your tibias. I don't see you suffer from x-legs, and your scars are almost invisible. I think Nordic people heal quite nicely and don't suffer from hyper pigmentation like other race.
You are soo lucky. 180cm plus a dope ass hottie woman holding the camera.
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hey sweden i think your proportions look very good, but with those 10 cm shoes you look strange, excesive long legs
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I never ever wear those shoes any more.
I just wanted to show what it looks like with lifts on.
My pants haven't been used in 3 years. I was happy to see they were too short. Almost none of my other pants were too short when I got back.
It's raining today so I'll try to make a running video tomorrow.
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The impression i get is did you even do ll you look normal not even tall or how should i put it. You look normal. So if this is what i will look like after ll then i don't even need to read anything more on this site because the information i have been given have made my perception more fked up than normal.
Also what is your wingspan sweden? i have 170 wingspan i want to go to 178 cm kinda. Just want to be normal height.
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I've measured my wingspan to 180 a couple of times but even 178 and 179.
I am only 180 on a very good day. I'm not 178 or 179, just like my wingspan.
I would soooooo like to be 5-6cm taller. That's like nothing, but it makes a world of difference.
Still undecided.
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I've measured my wingspan to 180 a couple of times but even 178 and 179.
I am only 180 on a very good day. I'm not 178 or 179, just like my wingspan.
I would soooooo like to be 5-6cm taller. That's like nothing, but it makes a world of difference.
Still undecided.
What factors are involved in your decision?
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Mostly passing my wingspan. I'm equal right now.
I imagine 5cm doesn't do much regarding visual aspects.
But also sitting height is one enormous factor. ALL of my friends have taller sitting height than me, ALL of them(they were also all taller than me before)
If I become 5cm taller then I think it'll be FU when we sit down. I can't stretch like a jerk, I have to relax when I sit or else it'll look weird, more weird.
Other than that there is nothing holding me back.
I have an interview next Monday at the local flight school. If I pass I will start studying to become a pilot in September. Then I can't do it in 2 years.
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sweden i think you have a nice height, im 165/166 in the morning , thats is a f**king bad height, i think that 70 per cent or more of girls are taller than me, having problems to date even im good looking and people made fun about my height. with 180 cm you are taller than most sweden girls. no one will think you are short even in sweden so i think there is no reason to do another surgery. you will lose your proportions and athletyc hability
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Wow!
Posting that video right after those posts by Apo was pretty much the most epic burn I've ever seen since I started reading forums about LL. You delivered everything people have been asking him for, and then more. Beautifully "choreographed" video, I must say. :D Also, pretty much an excellent post-lengthening showoff with everything from proportions in business attire to underwear and your (well above average) level of athleticism.
Your wingspan makes you quite lucky. I think if it was naturally equal to your height (which is statistically more common), your arms would be approaching noticeably short. They're not so now. You look more "leggy" than most guys in the dress pants with your shirt tucked in and in some positions it's noticeable that your knees are a bit high up. So primarily I think you shouldn't lengthen any more with regards to our lower vs upper body proportions. You don't look freaky or anything now, bit I think you could cross a few thresholds if you did more.
Now, what this DOES say is that when a person lengthens over his wingspan, and even more than you have already in BOTH segments, they most likely WILL look like a weirdly small upper body walking on stilts like a spider. Even worse if the person doesn't have broad shoulders and a big upper body build. Ironically this applies to a lot of genetically skinny and small guys below 5'6" so they have to be even more careful with how much they lengthen.
A thought hit me today, that for a "cosmetic" surgery, this procedure has very few proper visual demonstrations of the results, even from surgeons wanting patients. Or in Apo's case, even people wanting to promote it. Pictures and videos are few and far between. We've collected some in the old thread about it here, and in my opinion many of these look visibly abnormal even with not that much lengthening. The only surgeon who's been posting videos is Donghoon, and they seem more focused on showing off function (running) than whole-body proportions. I think the fact that most people can't lengthen more than 6-7 cm before they start looking weird in one or more way is among the reasons for it. In almost all cases it's going to be a choice between height and proportions. And every body has their limit for what's going to look "freaky".
Anyway, thanks a lot for these videos!!
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Sweden I have the sameish sitting height as you and I agree none of my friends over 5'10.5" have the same as me. Everyone on old forum kept saying that "yeah 50% Sitting height ratio is still good" when in reality, for European Caucasians, it simply isn't. 53% is ideal.
Inb4 "sitting height isn't accurate measure of upper body length". It is accurate enough and is used in the medical world as a far more efficient estimate of leg/body proportions than any other measurement. I guess it's just a 'coincidence' that every with sitting heights 2cm more than me have longer bodies than me by - gasp - 2cm roughly.
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WTF did i just watch ? Nice videos, nice moves 8)
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ok so after he took off his sweater
then his shoes
I was like that :)
but when he took off his pant then I started to worry if he gonna take off another thing
especially there were about 4min left in the video
Luckily you didn't ..
Great videos, Sweden .. I Wonder how is your full recovery gonna be like..
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Great videos, Sweden .. I Wonder how is your full recovery gonna be like..
I hope he doesn't do a streap tease-kwondo when he's fully recovered -)
I think Swedish is the Jean-Claude Van damme of this forum ::)
(http://unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/insightful_quotes_from_jean_claude_van_damme_640_04-465x334.jpg)
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Ah Ah Ah..
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Who cares about proportions and standards. You are a short guy you should be lucky if you can get to average height. All these demands like you know wtf your doing. just get over 175 cm and it's all good. everything after that is bonus.
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Who cares about proportions and standards. You are a short guy you should be lucky if you can get to average height. All these demands like you know wtf your doing. just get over 175 cm and it's all good. everything after that is bonus.
Ease explain. Didn't get **** of anything above :o
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I ran like 1 yard today. It looked pretty god. Then my ankles started to hurt.
I'm on my way to the gym now. Going for new records.
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Who cares about proportions and standards. You are a short guy you should be lucky if you can get to average height. All these demands like you know wtf your doing. just get over 175 cm and it's all good. everything after that is bonus.
Im not sure if he's being sarcastic but he's saying that if you are short don't worry about
proportions, sitting height, going beyond 15% original bone length, soft tissue damage etc
as long as you get over a certain height its all good.
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Not everyone wants to risk looking weird or becoming self-conscious about something else about their body after they've "fixed" their height. And some people don't care. There's no right or wrong here, but there are a few limits where people not even knowing about LL would see that something's weird about a person's body, like that spidery/stilty look some can get.
I found this video on the other site now and found it interesting. He went from 5'6" to 5'9" so he lengthened about as much as Sweden but started off a little shorter. But unlike Sweden, it looks like he's got shorter arms, and it's kind of noticeable, especially when you see him from the sides. He probably has a wingspan closer to his original height. Short arms exaggerate the look of an unproportionally short torso on long legs, I think Sweden avoided to a large degree that because of his longer arms.
Wingspan can matter a lot, in my opinion!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhzdfvhNKu8
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I dont see anything strange on that guy. What do you prefer be 5'5 with good proportions or be 5'8 with a little less good proportions that only people in the forum can see?
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I don't know what I'd prefer, I just think it's interesting how people's bodies are different and that prospective patients might want to figure out what they think of their own proportions and the lengthening limits they would be comfortable with. Someone with a longer wingspan will look slightly different from a guy with a more normal or shorter wingspan after lengthening. It's a potential factor for many, but not all. There haven't been many videos of leg lengtheners showing different proportions on the internet until now, so everyone is in a much better position to be informed about a thing like proportions compared to before. And again, some don't care about proportions as long as they get taller. Some care about getting taller AND preserving proportions to the best possible degree, I believe Sweden agrees there based on what he's written before. Then there probably are a few that think proportions are important to such a degree that not even getting taller seems worth messing them up. We're all individuals with different perspectives and goals.
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Feeling happy today. :)
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As from today I can say that I reached a recovery level of 55% or more.
I did some Taekwondo and my friend was stressing me like we used to before and I wasn't late to join in. We kicked each other and I saw an opening..... Just out of pure instinct I jumped spin kicked him in the head, knocking him out for a full minute.
I was shocked!
Everyone was shocked. They just stood there. My friend was on the floor.
I woke him up and my Master took care of him. Then my Master said to him: "You know who you're up against. Stay more alert"
Maybe he was hinting to me like "nice work" or something. I didn't get that.
My friend continued and he said he was ok. I said I was sorry. Even I was shocked that I was able to do it, and at the same time very happy.
This makes the training so much more fun now. I can do much more than I thought.
I even tried to run around the house when I got back home and it worked pretty well too. But my stamina is terrible. I get totally exhausted only after 15 seconds.
This is also something I'm not used to since I've always been able to do everything with ease.
So - I have passed 50% of recovery. This might be someone else's 150% but I'm only comparing to myself and nothing else.
I've been thinking about the kick a lot. I'm higher up now with a further reach so the impact must have been huge.
This makes me feel I can start competing again locally, smaller tournaments, and that gives a whole new joyful meaning to my life
My left(the most twisted leg) knee aches when I run and just slightly now. Like 0,5-1 on the pain scale. Right knee is fine.
It certainly doesn't look good when I run but I am doing it and feel happy about it.
I'm getting there - slowly
Have a happy weekend, I know I will
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I dont see anything strange on that guy. What do you prefer be 5'5 with good proportions or be 5'8 with a little less good proportions that only people in the forum can see?
Dude his hands can barely reach his pockets.
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good stufff sweden
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Good job Sweden 8) And you still have some time left to recover, so you'll probably do even better in some months.
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Sweden, do you ever kick on pads or anything hard when you practice? Is your bone hard enough to handle that? You still have the rod in, right?
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Dude his hands can barely reach his pockets.
That wouldn't make sense unless he lengthened his torso. His hands should still reach his pockets regardless of how much he lengthened. I think he looks fine though.
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Sweden, do you ever kick on pads or anything hard when you practice? Is your bone hard enough to handle that? You still have the rod in, right?
My bones are fully consolidated, with the rods in. The rods make the bones stronger my doctor said.
I kick with full force on the pads.
The osteotomy was right below the knees so it wouldn't affect it since I kick with my feet.
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My bones are fully consolidated, with the rods in. The rods make the bones stronger my doctor said.
I kick with full force on the pads.
The osteotomy was right below the knees so it wouldn't affect it since I kick with my feet.
Are you going to take the rods out eventually.
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My bones are fully consolidated, with the rods in. The rods make the bones stronger my doctor said.
I kick with full force on the pads.
The osteotomy was right below the knees so it wouldn't affect it since I kick with my feet.
Hi sweden
how long it takes to fully consolidated? Did You took any supplements???
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That wouldn't make sense unless he lengthened his torso. His hands should still reach his pockets regardless of how much he lengthened. I think he looks fine though.
I never stated they wouldn't. It looks like they don't as now his humeral bones in his arm look tiny.
Sweden looks fine at his current proportions that is what fine looks like. Looking like a t-rex isn't.
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Are you going to take the rods out eventually.
Still undecided. Probably no.
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My legs were at 90-95% fully consolidated last year in December - last x-ray.
My diet program is in my diary.
Try to eat lots of coconut oil and chia seeds.
And of course everything else.
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Today I'm sore as hell. Everything aches, knees, feet, ankles, locking screws.
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that guy in the video looks normal. I thinks he looks probably the same as he did before surgery, he looks like a guy with small arms but nothing freaky, some people have small arms, small legs, small torso, etc, but as long as it is within proportions it is not notiable to the common eye. Great video of that guy! who is it??? I missed it!
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Hey Sweden,
When you say that "you can't do taekwondo like before" what exactly do you mean? I'm not a professional athlete like you are but just an amateur practitioner of Karate, TKD, and Kickboxing, and it would somehow bother me if in the future after CLL I couldn't do any of that. From an anatomical and kinesiological point of view what seems to be the problem? Is it just lack of flexibility, or nerve damage in your legs, or is it hard for you to get used to your new center of gravity? Is it going beyond 5cm or lengthening too fast? I would appreciate your answer. Thank you.
Leo
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This is difficult for me to answer but I'll try.
A very qualified question.
I don't have the explosiveness in my muscles any more. When I'm warmed up I barely feel the aches in my ankles I almost always have.
The balance point is higher up and it's difficult to compensate that.
I have like no grace in my movements. It's not smooth anymore.
It feels like I'm made of stone now and my movements are blunt like some kind of one eyed ogre :o
I hope it will come back.
The Taekwondo Federation just started a new competition class. 40 years+ :D
I would be very happy to be able to compete in that class. :)
I'll try to do some movements in my new video.
And then I'll find a good video of how I used to move.
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Happy for you, can I ask how much money did you spend all long the way ?
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Happy for you, can I ask how much money did you spend all long the way ?
Depends on how you count. If I calculate income loss then it's probably $40-45.000.
Doing it with Guichet/Betz/Jamal would also cost income loss.
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I'm on it --------->
(http://i.imgur.com/ruSnIXp.jpg)
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If anyone wants to copy this - please feel free.
http/www link edit
4 new lousy videos and fresh pictures of my scars.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RYwSJ4abdA&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDISZksWBf8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tozQJUC61Ko&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEYG5jr9hqw&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i5wuQa-KDw&feature=youtu.be
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Hey Sweden if you could do your LL all over again what would you do differently?
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Sweden i have been scared off lately.
I have a vision of how i will be/look after the surgery and you are basically telling me that my vision will not happen.
I don't know what to do..I can't go on being this height for the rest of my life. But if i do the surgery im doomed to be in pain and have fatigue in legs for years to come after surgery.
WTF SHOULD I DO!!! i just want to be normal .
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It looks like you have healed up a lot in the last few months. Your running looks pretty normal.
Does it hurt when you run? Could you run a mile if you had to?
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I guess the x legs is your major concern as it is clearly visible when you run...otherwise your recovery seems excellent!
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Very good videos. I also notice the X Legs when you are running and the lack of stamina. Was your cardio lacking before LL ?
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Sweden i have been scared off lately.
I have a vision of how i will be/look after the surgery and you are basically telling me that my vision will not happen.
I don't know what to do..I can't go on being this height for the rest of my life. But if i do the surgery im doomed to be in pain and have fatigue in legs for years to come after surgery.
WTF SHOULD I DO!!! i just want to be normal .
I was feeling the exact same way as you bro! There was a time when I thought that the pain and complications with CLL was only temporary and then end up becoming a taller and normal once again....but now I understand that there is a trade off between height and health. You can either:
1)remain short, live with height neurosis (probably forever) and not risk your physical health
2)become taller, more confident but risk your physical health with possible early arthritis
I have chosen the second option as I am extremely depressed with my current height and lost most of my esteem that it is hard for me to live a normal life and do basic things like walking properly with my ****ing shoelifts to try and avoid humiliation. I will stick with 6-6.5 cm on my femurs and 5 cm MAX on my tibias and hopefully that won't do much damage to my legs. I don't mind trading minor aches and pain for several inches of height but having premature arthritis......oh man :(
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I was feeling the exact same way as you bro! There was a time when I thought that the pain and complications with CLL was only temporary and then end up becoming a taller and normal once again....but now I understand that there is a trade off between height and health. You can either:
1)remain short, live with height neurosis (probably forever) and not risk your physical health
2)become taller, more confident but risk your physical health with possible early arthritis
I have chosen the second option as I am extremely depressed with my current height and lost most of my esteem that it is hard for me to live a normal life and do basic things like walking properly with my ****ing shoelifts to try and avoid humiliation. I will stick with 6-6.5 cm on my femurs and 5 cm MAX on my tibias and hopefully that won't do much damage to my legs. I don't mind trading minor aches and pain for several inches of height but having premature arthritis......oh man :(
I feel the same way too. I was hoping to do Lon on tibias but I think the risk of permanent knee pain is not worth it. I think I will will do external with Dr Birkholtz hopefully in 2 or 3 years. I will only do 5 cms on tibs so I don't think I will be in frames for too long.
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I feel the same way too. I was hoping to do Lon on tibias but I think the risk of permanent knee pain is not worth it. I think I will will do external with Dr Birkholtz hopefully in 2 or 3 years. I will only do 5 cms on tibs so I don't think I will be in frames for too long.
How long do you think it would take a 25 year old kid to recover from purely external tibias? Somewhere along 7-10 months? This is for 5 cm btw
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How long do you think it would take a 25 year old kid to recover from purely external tibias? Somewhere along 7-10 months? This is for 5 cm btw
From what I have read I think 7-10 months is a good estimate.
This is probably a good question for RGKEY.
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From what I have read I think 7-10 months is a good estimate.
This is probably a good question for RGKEY.
Yeah, I think wearing frames like that is Guantanamo-style torture lol (but seriously...) I'll take my chances with the Intramedullary Nail. (It's not like the PRECISE nail isn't entered through the knee for tibias anyway).
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How long do you think it would take a 25 year old kid to recover from purely external tibias? Somewhere along 7-10 months? This is for 5 cm btw
Doctors often say adult patients need 1 to 2 month for every cm you lengthen, so best case scenario is 5 months and worst case scenario is 10 months. Most likely scenario is 7.5 months. It depends on your own genetics, diet and exercise.
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I was feeling the exact same way as you bro! There was a time when I thought that the pain and complications with CLL was only temporary and then end up becoming a taller and normal once again....but now I understand that there is a trade off between height and health. You can either:
1)remain short, live with height neurosis (probably forever) and not risk your physical health
2)become taller, more confident but risk your physical health with possible early arthritis
I have chosen the second option as I am extremely depressed with my current height and lost most of my esteem that it is hard for me to live a normal life and do basic things like walking properly with my ****ing shoelifts to try and avoid humiliation. I will stick with 6-6.5 cm on my femurs and 5 cm MAX on my tibias and hopefully that won't do much damage to my legs. I don't mind trading minor aches and pain for several inches of height but having premature arthritis......oh man :(
From alot of reading I believe that there are stages potential LL patients go through. The first is wanting to lengthen as much as possible, the second is realising that lengthening the max affects how the rest
of your body looks e.g lengthen 10cm then realise tibs/femur/sitting height is no longer proportional. Then finally the long term health effects are considered.
The best doctors won't let CLL patients do 8cm on tibia or 10cm on femur because they know what happens when people do.
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From alot of reading I believe that there are stages potential LL patients go through. The first is wanting to lengthen as much as possible, the second is realising that lengthening the max affects how the rest
of your body looks e.g lengthen 10cm then realise tibs/femur/sitting height is no longer proportional. Then finally the long term health effects are considered.
The best doctors won't let CLL patients do 8cm on tibia or 10cm on femur because they know what happens when people do.
Thank you for stating the obvious for the 1028934 time. Next time you maybe want to give some contructive critism instead of just tellins us wtf you have been figuring out since you started your forum journey....
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The best doctors won't let CLL patients do 8cm on tibia or 10cm on femur because they know what happens when people do.
Where did you get the crazy idea that the "best" doctors won't let CLL patients do "8cm on tibia and 10cm on femur?!!"
From my research, it seems the real-world best Doctors are a lot more conservative then that.
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Thank you for stating the obvious for the 1028934 time. Next time you maybe want to give some contructive critism instead of just tellins us wtf you have been figuring out since you started your forum journey....
I think the post from theuprising was way more valuable than your post slim_tim.
You want constructive critism? Here's some. You're acting like an @$$hole!!! Most people don't like what you have to post when you are acting like an @$$hole because reading it is a waste of time. So stop being an @$$hole slim_tim.
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looks good, two things I noticed:
-massive x legs
- you seen to be afraid to put pressure. maybe afraid of nail breakage? like when start to accelerate it seems like you try to drag your feet
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looks good, two things I noticed:
-massive x legs
- you seen to be afraid to put pressure. maybe afraid of nail breakage? like when start to accelerate it seems like you try to drag your feet
1. I know and hate it. It's not really massive. It's been a lot better than it was a year ago.
2. Not true. I just can't. Nails can't break, totally impossible now. Bones have fully fused.
This is how I run.
My movements are slow as a turtle and I have bad flexibility in my feet.
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Nice job Sweden 8) I agree thought your X legs is quite visible when you run, and when you put this jean i can see that your tibias are quite long, with larger jeans its probably less visible. I think if you do around 5 cm in your femur your leggs will be more proportionate. Great videos, thx.
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1. I know and hate it. It's not really massive. It's been a lot better than it was a year ago.
2. Not true. I just can't. Nails can't break, totally impossible now. Bones have fully fused.
This is how I run.
My movements are slow as a turtle and I have bad flexibility in my feet.
ok,
i guess the x-legs needs to be fixed soon then.
btw what happened on 00:37
regarding proportions, honestly you look as normal as you can get. well done!
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regarding proportions, honestly you look as normal as you can get. well done!
Yeah well i only see it because im focusing on it but only 1-5% of the people will notice it i think.
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I think that your kicks are like slowmotion. And you run slowly. you cant run faster? Xlegs are visible when running
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I think that your kicks are like slowmotion. And you run slowly. you cant run faster? Xlegs are visible when running
This is exactly what I've been saying.
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Highly appreciate all the videos Sweden. You're doing a real service to the CLL community.
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When you try to jump, do you feel heavy and like you cant get enough force to push yourself higher? It looks like you are struggling a bit with the jumps, other than that proportions look good and the kicks are cool as usual, but the x-legs make your running look a bit comical.
Your cardio also seem to have been affected heavily by LL, do you train cardio?
Thanks for the videos Sweden.
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I don't have any explosiveness in my muscles so yes, I feel very heavy.
I barely do cardio.
Don't know but I've lost a lot of will power in my life.
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I don't have any explosiveness in my muscles so yes, I feel very heavy.
I barely do cardio.
Don't know but I've lost a lot of will power in my life.
Do you think it will be better once you take out the nails?
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Do you think it will be better once you take out the nails?
Not really. Why would it?
My muscles are destroyed. Nail removal won't heal them.
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Are you going to have surgery to fix the x-legs?
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Thank you for stating the obvious for the 1028934 time. Next time you maybe want to give some contructive critism instead of just tellins us wtf you have been figuring out since you started your forum journey....
I remember you from that other thread where you said that people who work are not more worthy than those who get their parents to pay for their surgery. Everyone disagreed with you and they had to close the thread your opinion is not valid. Just face facts you have a short wing span and sitting height and want to lengthen too much.
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I loved your video - that is exactly the kind of thing I like to see. No BS, you just show exactly how you look post-ll for others to judge. None of this crap on old forum where people hide their proportions in their videos or photos. This makes me want to do a similar video :)
Also, your proportions look great! I am a bit jealous :( We have a similar final height and wingspan but you have a longer torso and better tibia/femur proportions so you look better. Sometimes I see my reflection and think it does not look 100% normal :(
Just curious – what is your calf muscle size? Mine are about 40 cm and do not seem to be getting any bigger. Have you measured your height as soon as you get up and again right before you go to bed? My morning height is nearly 180 cm and at night I am about 177 cm, I lose about 3 cm throughout the whole day.
Have you confirmed with a doctor that you have x-legs and it is only correctable with surgery? Also, is the end of your fibula closest to your knee migrated away from its socket? Sorry if you answered this before, I haven’t read through your old forum diary recently.
I can run close to your speed with some significant pain but if I try to go any faster it feels like the rod/screws are going to shoot through my legs - do you experience this too? I also agree with you that the muscle power is just gone in the calves - I cannot accelerate quickly at all.
Assuming normal shoes give a height of 2 cm, those lifts in a way simulate what another 5 cm gain would look like on you. I am not sure another 5 cm would look good on you. Being around average height with good proportions might be better than above average or tall with just ‘okay’ proportions.
Like you, I have compared my sitting height/torso length to a lot of people who are 5’10”+ and I am definitely well below all of them. I have pretty much accepted that I was just not meant to be tall :(
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Thank you for stating the obvious for the 1028934 time. Next time you maybe want to give some contructive critism instead of just tellins us wtf you have been figuring out since you started your forum journey....
I guess yours is a new style of trolling on LL forums. Piss off LL veterans and make them less motivated to post.
They did that to leechlet also.
The problem is that when you post such comments, you make it seem like you're speaking for all of us, but it's only your opinion.
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Calic, give us a current pic of you to see you proportions. You did 6.5cm right?
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^I'd also be interested in seeing one of your less flattering proportions pictures if it's not too stressful/troubling to post it.
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Calic, give us a current pic of you to see you proportions. You did 6.5cm right?
^I'd also be interested in seeing one of your less flattering proportions pictures if it's not too stressful/troubling to post it.
Yes, 6.5 cm. What kind of a picture would you both want to see that is different from the ones I posted in my diary earlier?
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=66.30
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Thanks so much! If it's not too much trouble, it would be nice to see one with a naturally 5'10ish person. Or just one of those pics which you think match what you said about looking at your image/reflection and thinking that it looks a little off. Maybe some more pics of your tibiae while sitting down would be very informative too. Otherwise, how is your recovery going, Calic? Do you have any plans to have the IM nails removed? Have you had any more notable events/experiences in which you really got to enjoy your new height?
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Good job, but why do you have shortness of breath ?? it's nothing to do with LL, for sure.. and I guess you're doing exercise regularly ...could that be side effect of using too much painkiller! ???
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Good job, but why do you have shortness of breath ?? it's nothing to do with LL, for sure.. and I guess you're doing exercise regularly ...could that be side effect of using too much painkiller! ???
I don't do exercise as I should.
My bike got stolen and I obviously can't run. That's how it is.
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Yesterday at Taekwondo I did pretty good. It takes a while to warm up but when I am I can do great things.
I'll try to record it some day.
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Hey Sweden,
I'd like your advice on this one. How many sides does the nut of the Ilizarov have? I read people doing 6 turns, but I always thought it was 4 turns. Do all the frames have the same type of nut or it varies? And from your experience what would you say would be the safe amount of turns (mm/day) for let's day someone who wants to achieve 6cm? I've read that in the beginning it is better to lengthen more to avoid early preconsolidation. I've also read some people saying that with 0.66 there is less pain and almost an easy ride throughout the process. I'd like to hear your opinion. Thanks.
Leo
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I don't do exercise as I should.
My bike got stolen and I obviously can't run. That's how it is.
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Yesterday at Taekwondo I did pretty good. It takes a while to warm up but when I am I can do great things.
I'll try to record it some day.
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You are a lion sweden, visualize the goal you had before operation. The perfect suit, the joint, the tan, The ladies. Life completed.
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Hello everyone
Want to do INTERNAL LIMB LENGTHENING on Tibia in India in late August or early September.
Is anyone else interested in doing the same?? Hope to get a group of three or even four. The more the better for support.
I am a British born male, my father is English and Mother Indian. I can talk and understand the Indian language, so this will help. Please feel free to contact me.
The height I want to achieve will be similar to what Sweden has. Well done Sweden
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I would be interested in doing internal femur lengthening in India, but only if a safe, educated, and reputable doctor emerges. Dr. Sarin or Dr. Sringari won't cut it. Dr. Parihar might, on the other hand. Unfortunately, I have heard many times that there is no internal lengthening nail that has been approved, legally, for use in India.
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Hey Sweden,
I'd like your advice on this one. How many sides does the nut of the Ilizarov have? I read people doing 6 turns, but I always thought it was 4 turns. Do all the frames have the same type of nut or it varies? And from your experience what would you say would be the safe amount of turns (mm/day) for let's day someone who wants to achieve 6cm? I've read that in the beginning it is better to lengthen more to avoid early preconsolidation. I've also read some people saying that with 0.66 there is less pain and almost an easy ride throughout the process. I'd like to hear your opinion. Thanks.
Leo
The nut is a standard 10mm but with 6 sides.
6 small turns equal 1mm lengthening.
4 turns=0,66mm.
You're right, in the beginning there is a risk of pre consolidation so you're adviced to turn 1,2 or more the first weeks.
After 3-4cm you slow down to 0,5/0,66 a day.
Some days you need to rest and not lengthening at all.
Lengthening slower is easier and less painful yes.
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I'm in Ukraine right now, having consultation with Dr Jamal.
Very friendly person. He seems to be very respected.
I'm considering 5cm on femurs next year.
He told me it is better that I work my feet up 20-30 degrees before we do femurs.
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Good luck, 184 amazing height, will kinda compensate for your athletic loss if u ask me
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Does not look like you have done LL at all tbh, brb dr.sarin scam
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sweden, actually i think you're even not 179 cm, since it seems it is your mrning height, you're more 177-177,5 cm at night.
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Best of luck Sweden :) be careful -) Don't hurry too much.
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Does not look like you have done LL at all tbh, brb dr.sarin scam
So I faked my scars and simply just cut myself? ;D
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sweden, actually i think you're even not 179 cm, since it seems it is your mrning height, you're more 177-177,5 cm at night.
This is the reality yes.
I've measured myself to 177,8 to 178,5 lots of times.
I'm not 180.
In my sneakers I'm 182something.
This is why I'll be doing 5cm on femurs next summer.
I really wanted to be 180+cm tall.
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This is the reality yes.
I've measured myself to 177,8 to 178,5 lots of times.
I'm not 180.
In my sneakers I'm 182something.
This is why I'll be doing 5cm on femurs next summer.
I really wanted to be 180+cm tall.
Do you know how this happened? You mentioned in your diary that your height gain (the gap) was confirmed to be 7 cm, and then you mentioned that you had shrunk 1 or 2 cm, but since you have rods inside your legs the height loss should not be possible from bone compression/subsidence. So more likely the "loss" has to do with the spine, which fluctuate during the day.
Before you did the surgery, was 173 cm your morning height?
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This is why I'll be doing 5cm on femurs next summer.
I really wanted to be 180+cm tall.
Probably a fake reason bro, anyway best of luck.
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Interesting, I'm also 182 something in sneakers and would be interested to undergo CLL for ~5,5cm on femurs. I will watch this space if you decide to proceed with Jamal.
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I measured myself several times to 173cm.
172 sometimes sure, but not less.
I've been 173 for 15 years.
Fake reason or not, but 180 was a dream and still is.
I went to India for 6cm but decided to go for 7cm just to become 180cm tall.
I seriously don't recommend going beyond 5cm on tibia!! All of my problems started right when I passed 5cm.
When I was in Ukraine my right foot gave me lots of problems but now when I'm back home it's better again.
I do lots of stretch exercises every day now to get better ROM in my feet. Dr Jamal told me I needed 20-30 degrees more ROM in my feet. Especially my right.
I'm still waiting for answers from him about my current condition.
My x-legs have improved a little last 2 months. I exercise my legs way more heavy now in the gym. In Ukraine I pressed 120kg. I still feel sore from that :D
I'm a little bit worried about my proportions adding 5 more cm.
I'm as tall as my wingspan right now and sitting down next to other 180+ guys reminds me that I'm 173 naturally.
I'm worried it will look very weird walking around as 185cm in shoes and then when I sit down I'm the shortest one again.
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Hey Sweden, what do you mean with problems passing 5 cm? because doctors recommend doing 0.3 mm more ..
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I measured myself several times to 173cm.
172 sometimes sure, but not less.
I've been 173 for 15 years.
Fake reason or not, but 180 was a dream and still is.
I went to India for 6cm but decided to go for 7cm just to become 180cm tall.
I seriously don't recommend going beyond 5cm on tibia!! All of my problems started right when I passed 5cm.
When I was in Ukraine my right foot gave me lots of problems but now when I'm back home it's better again.
I do lots of stretch exercises every day now to get better ROM in my feet. Dr Jamal told me I needed 20-30 degrees more ROM in my feet. Especially my right.
I'm still waiting for answers from him about my current condition.
My x-legs have improved a little last 2 months. I exercise my legs way more heavy now in the gym. In Ukraine I pressed 120kg. I still feel sore from that :D
I'm a little bit worried about my proportions adding 5 more cm.
I'm as tall as my wingspan right now and sitting down next to other 180+ guys reminds me that I'm 173 naturally.
I'm worried it will look very weird walking around as 185cm in shoes and then when I sit down I'm the shortest one again.
So you dont know how you shrunk then? did you talk to any doctor about it? It seems like if the gap was confirmed to be 7 cm you should be 179 minimum at the evening, if 172 was your minimum measurement before the surgery. I dont see how subsidence could have affected you when you have the rods inside the bone either..seems really weird how this happened
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I measured myself several times to 173cm.
172 sometimes sure, but not less.
I've been 173 for 15 years.
Fake reason or not, but 180 was a dream and still is.
I went to India for 6cm but decided to go for 7cm just to become 180cm tall.
I seriously don't recommend going beyond 5cm on tibia!! All of my problems started right when I passed 5cm.
When I was in Ukraine my right foot gave me lots of problems but now when I'm back home it's better again.
I do lots of stretch exercises every day now to get better ROM in my feet. Dr Jamal told me I needed 20-30 degrees more ROM in my feet. Especially my right.
I'm still waiting for answers from him about my current condition.
My x-legs have improved a little last 2 months. I exercise my legs way more heavy now in the gym. In Ukraine I pressed 120kg. I still feel sore from that :D
I'm a little bit worried about my proportions adding 5 more cm.
I'm as tall as my wingspan right now and sitting down next to other 180+ guys reminds me that I'm 173 naturally.
I'm worried it will look very weird walking around as 185cm in shoes and then when I sit down I'm the shortest one again.
I think you will look good if you do around 183 cm. Also you should do it but be careful and try to enjoy life, not think too much about those things. Hope you have a job now too.
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Sweden. You should not do another surgery.. You have issues v from the first, and say you hate life because of the complications. ... just try to be happy with your new height, abs make the best out of it. ... I would never do this again
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Im still undecided regarding femurs.
Life is getting easier.
I can run easier and squatting is no problem.
X-legs is bothering me. Knees hurt.
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i think you'll be fine... but would advise you not to get femurs done.... I'm the same way as you... i go through something bad, swear ill never do it again, but after i get over the problem and some time passes, I do it again.
I just want to remind you how bad it sucks, as i'm still not done.... it sucks,it sucks, it sucks.... ballerina in particular, though i guess that would not be an issue with femurs
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Hi Sweden,
I've read through your dairy and truly respect your courage and hard work!
To be completely honest, I was very surprised when you said in your dairy that you were going to do Femurs as I thought you were in quite a bit of agony from over coming the ballerina feet and x legs. I understand when the doctors do femurs, they are not able to straighten the legs. Have you spoke to Dr Jamal about the possibilities of adjusting your x legs while doing your femurs? My view is even if you lengthen your femur and get taller, you will still have x legs which clearly bothers you. Maybe fix the X leg is more of a pressing issue than lengthening femur?
Of course it's totally your decision and choice. I am just throwing in my two cents :)
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Maybe fix the X leg is more of a pressing issue than lengthening femur?
+1!!
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Isn't the lengthening a second time going to be very hard if you still have pain from the first one? Also how is situation in Kiev now? Your not afraid of getting attacked or something?
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No, I'm not afraid. They only bomb hospitals in Syria and Palestine.
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I have new videos anyone can copy and paste here from the dark side.
It's difficult on my iPhone......
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No, I'm not afraid. They only bomb hospitals in Syria and Palestine.
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I have new videos anyone can copy and paste here from the dark side.
It's difficult on my iPhone......
I saw the videos on that other site, your x-legs look improved for sure. I hope to be able to kick that high some day.. although im more into muay thai style.
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I can do the splits when I'm warmed up. Most people can't so it's a little bit overkill.
I will kick down that pole before this summer is over 8)
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I can do the splits when I'm warmed up. Most people can't so it's a little bit overkill.
I will kick down that pole before this summer is over 8)
Thats gangsta dawg 8)
Btw it effin sucks not being able to be outside and enjoy this late summer, the heat in Sweden is almost like africa these days..
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Sweden have you got knee pain? Is it very bad?
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i hate to admit i don't know .... but what exactly is x legs????
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Imagine a X but on your legs, where the knees hit each other and ten goes out again. Looks like a phag if you stand like that.
I met a friend and we went to a mini carnival that comes to town every summers for 4 days during the holidays. My friend who is 5'11 was shorter than 2 noob girls. 6'0 or go home.
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Hi Sweden, question, did you see or feel any advantage when you started doing martial arts again for having longer legs, did you feel any difference, i mean a positive one. besides all the cons any pros at all?
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If you're still unhappy, I advise you seeing a therapist before doing another surgery.
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Hi Sweden, question, did you see or feel any advantage when you started doing martial arts again for having longer legs, did you feel any difference, i mean a positive one. besides all the cons any pros at all?
I'm slow as nobody else and it's embarrassing. No gain there....
But my reach is longer so stop kick works very well if they attack, much better than before.
I also kick way higher. Not really any use in competitions but cool for show and flexibility.
I'm more intimidating than before being taller in my weight class.
And no, I will not jump up to the higher weight class.
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I'm slow as nobody else and it's embarrassing. No gain there....
But my reach is longer so stop kick works very well if they attack, much better than before.
I also kick way higher. Not really any use in competitions but cool for show and flexibility.
I'm more intimidating than before being taller in my weight class.
And no, I will not jump up to the higher weight class.
that is kinda what I thought, thanx.. i think in Judo ill be able to do better sweeps and legs chokes))) but i think u are right the speed will be much slower. Will see
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If you're still unhappy, I advise you seeing a therapist before doing another surgery.
My dream height is 6'2. I will never reach it without looking like SySop and that's not my intention.
What's your dream height?
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If you do 5CM on your femurs, you can stand at 6'2 in the right pair of shoes. That's not bad! Don't let people keep you from following your dreams just because they call you crazy. If your current height bothers you enough that you're willing to endure the financial cost and complications, after already knowing what to expect after going through LL once, then by all means, you deserve it as much as anyone else!
You only get one life. Go for what you know will make you happy. Don't live for others. If you want more LL again, pick a good surgeon and be extra mindful of proportions.
In my opinion, no one notices bad proportions when you're standing. It's while sitting down that a short torso and really long legs become apparent.
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that is kinda what I thought, thanx.. i think in Judo ill be able to do better sweeps and legs chokes))) but i think u are right the speed will be much slower. Will see
Judo will be very dangerous for you bc of the higher knees. It means your breaking point will be higher up and much easier to suffer trauma bc of O'goshi or other leg throws.
I've done lots of Ne Wasa before and trained with the world champion but it's a huge risk doing judo post LL.
It's impossible to gain enough strength to stand against the force put on your legs if you happen to get your leg locked and then thrower on it.
Either your tibia break really bad or you'll need a total knee replacement.
I'm not trying to burst your dreams or anything but I hold a higher belt in judo as well and have seen terrible leg breakage in competitions. These guys weighed 90-110kg and were strong as no one you ever met.
Imagine having longer limbs. They'll break much easier.
Starting in standing position is very dangerous.
On your knees is safer but be careful the first year now.
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Thanks Tall. :)
Yeas, the sitting down part is already uncomfortable.
Since my butt is very skinny still I'm lower than everybody else who is even my former height.
This feels a bit disturbed.
Clothes hide a lot - but never sitting height.
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Judo will be very dangerous for you bc of the higher knees. It means your breaking point will be higher up and much easier to suffer trauma bc of O'goshi or other leg throws.
I've done lots of Ne Wasa before and trained with the world champion but it's a huge risk doing judo post LL.
It's impossible to gain enough strength to stand against the force put on your legs if you happen to get your leg locked and then thrower on it.
Either your tibia break really bad or you'll need a total knee replacement.
I'm not trying to burst your dreams or anything but I hold a higher belt in judo as well and have seen terrible leg breakage in competitions. These guys weighed 90-110kg and were strong as no one you ever met.
Imagine having longer limbs. They'll break much easier.
Starting in standing position is very dangerous.
On your knees is safer but be careful the first year now.
Can you elaborate a bit why judo throws are more dangerous when having higher knees, is it as simple as having a higher base= worse balance (or rather less stability), are longer legs in general a disadvantage in judo?
I mean i can understand that having higher knees makes it easier for the opponent to reach under the knee and grab it and i guess it makes it easier to trip with a sweep move too?
I assume this might mean freestyle wrestling would be more difficult for someone with longer legs/ higher knees too. But some of the best wrestlers like Yoel Romero and Daniel Cormier have long legs for their bodys. Brock Lesnar was a very good wrestler too (not just the fake kind) and he has very long legs.
Im very interested in this because i intend to train submission wrestling after i have recovered, and then later transition into mma. I wont try to become a proffessional. But some sparring and heavy training i would like to do, and maybe do some amateur bouts eventually.
In terms of breakage, supposedly the legs are supposed to be harder after LL (full recovery) i think.
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yeah, definately not judo for few more months, but i really want it, my eyes kept looking at the mat and i wanted to go so bad. but i won't i can barely hold my self together while walking sometimes or even going down the stairs. no way judo right now. well tai-otoshi is my specialty but ill just will switch maybe to uchimata or another through is not the end of the world, before i was sick in judo i got my black belt in 3 years and trained with olympic medalist due to my age i couldn't really pursue it, im 30 and in every competition was getting hurt real bad, i got tired of it. fighting with 18 year old kids in their primes, but i love the sport u probably understand me. i had very short legs before, i think it wont matter my judo will just be different, people who get knee problems from judo is because they dont do it right, therefore that happens. i know i wont go as low as i did before but that would just change my style while fighting that's all, i need to adjust my judo to my new body proportions. will see
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You don't have the same stability in your knees as before. You might fall to a position your knees can't stand and then you'll snap a tendon or something.
If you're very flexible your body can take the fall on your leg.
If it end up in an unnatural position you'll break the knee much more easier than before.
Try to get strong knees and legs after you finish LL.
I'm working now hard on getting my former muscles back - even though my coach advice against it. Smaller muscles can be quicker.
I just looked at this proportion picture and I'm confident I can take another 5cm on femurs next year.
(http://i.imgur.com/vXgx2na.jpg)
Standing up is no problems but sitting down will be.
I will guaranteed be the shortest among tall people around a table.
Maybe I shouldn't care, but nobody wants to be ridiculed. They won't say it to you sure, but anyway.
I got an appointment with my PT for some checkup in 2 weeks.
We will do a couple of tests to see how I developed.
I talked to her and then tried the leg extension machine they have. My old record was 40kg on it. Now I maxed out the machine doing 6 reps with 120kg.
I will try heavy squats tomorrow. So far I've only done with 30kg bc I'm on my toes when I'm fully down and have a hard time keeping the balance.
The last 10-15% of ROM in my feet are very difficult to achieve. It's not enough just standing on the edge on my toes with weights bc the knees then tend to bend a little so it's not a proper stretch.
I think building large shoulders will improve ones proportions too if you lengthen a lot.
I've spoken to my room mate from India who did 4+7cm and he is up and running and doing weight training a couple of times in the weeks. He has some minor aches but nothing serious.
He went from 168 to 179, so we are now equal tall :D
I've seen some pictures where he still wears his lifts. Cool thing to walk around ~185ish tall....
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When you say your old record on that leg extension was 40 KG, i assume that isnt your pre LL record since it would mean you had already become stronger than before LL :o
But do you know how much you could do on a leg extension machine before LL?
Did that roomate of yours look proportional in your opinion? (with or without lifts)
Btw yeah i think you can do 5 on femurs and still look good standing.
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40kg pre LL?? ;D
Sure, with one leg an a thousand times in my sleep.
I've always maxed out those machines and even then managed to do 10-14 reps. Therefore I can't say what my maximum was.
But using all the weights put some stress to your knees and I was always careful in that machine.
Nowadays I pump 14-20 reps and 5-8 sets until my quads explode and burn for 4 days.
With his lifts on he didn't look proportionate but everyone can see if you wear lifts bc the shoes are bulkier than regular shoes. It's like walking on large bricks. Det ser alltså för jävligt ut!
(Yeah, standing up only)
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40kg pre LL?? ;D
Sure, with one leg an a thousand times in my sleep.
I've always maxed out those machines and even then managed to do 10-14 reps. Therefore I can't say what my maximum was.
But using all the weights put some stress to your knees and I was always careful in that machine.
Nowadays I pump 14-20 reps and 5-8 sets until my quads explode and burn for 4 days.
With his lifts on he didn't look proportionate but everyone can see if you wear lifts bc the shoes are bulkier than regular shoes. It's like walking on large bricks. Det ser alltså för jävligt ut!
(Yeah, standing up only)
ah haha jag tänkte lite fel där med vikten, det är sent på natten är min ursäkt xD
I agree those elevator kinds of shoes dont look good at all, nike airmax type shoes are the biggest lifts i would use
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You look in really good shape 8), you sure can do 5 cm and look good. Only thing is your left leg's axis seems bent, hope you can fix that when you do your second LL.
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I'm sorry if I missed it, but you previously said that you only turned out 1,78 after the surgery even tho you lengthened for 1,80. How are things now? What height are you, and if you are shorter, do you know the reason for it?
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sweden, you look good friend, and your video where look your ratios tibiaes femur and you look pretty porporcionado are, I think your torso is long so you do not look so out of porporcion. I personally would not say not risk another surgery, 1.78 to 1.80 ctms is a good height, even if you might i cant to aspire to that height in my body, if I arrive at 1.67 ctms'll be fine.
I have a question, wich is your originally mediate your tibiaes? and how your femur? in ctms
thank you
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You don't have the same stability in your knees as before. You might fall to a position your knees can't stand and then you'll snap a tendon or something.
If you're very flexible your body can take the fall on your leg.
If it end up in an unnatural position you'll break the knee much more easier than before.
Try to get strong knees and legs after you finish LL.
I'm working now hard on getting my former muscles back - even though my coach advice against it. Smaller muscles can be quicker.
I just looked at this proportion picture and I'm confident I can take another 5cm on femurs next year.
(http://i.imgur.com/vXgx2na.jpg)
Standing up is no problems but sitting down will be.
I will guaranteed be the shortest among tall people around a table.
Maybe I shouldn't care, but nobody wants to be ridiculed. They won't say it to you sure, but anyway.
I got an appointment with my PT for some checkup in 2 weeks.
We will do a couple of tests to see how I developed.
I talked to her and then tried the leg extension machine they have. My old record was 40kg on it. Now I maxed out the machine doing 6 reps with 120kg.
I will try heavy squats tomorrow. So far I've only done with 30kg bc I'm on my toes when I'm fully down and have a hard time keeping the balance.
The last 10-15% of ROM in my feet are very difficult to achieve. It's not enough just standing on the edge on my toes with weights bc the knees then tend to bend a little so it's not a proper stretch.
I think building large shoulders will improve ones proportions too if you lengthen a lot.
I've spoken to my room mate from India who did 4+7cm and he is up and running and doing weight training a couple of times in the weeks. He has some minor aches but nothing serious.
He went from 168 to 179, so we are now equal tall :D
I've seen some pictures where he still wears his lifts. Cool thing to walk around ~185ish tall....
What do you mean?....That your friend in dr.sarin butchers house lengthend BOTH tibia and femur at the same time?. Also how come he could do all THAT and now walk around like it's nothing. One moment you hear leg lengthening will fk you up for life and bla bla armageddon pain...And then on the other side we have these stories. Like yours..i mean you don't look bad you are doing frikking leg kicks in the air. If that is what we can expect post operation...then LL is rather SAFE.
Do you know the wingspan of your buddy in the house?. He and me are pretty much equal in height. And i am deffently doing cross lengthening if he did so..defenitly.
I went with a friend of my to smoke a joint in a rural area on a mountain and i was astonished to realize how fking agile and in controll i was of my body movements. i was literally climbing 90¨ degree mountains and dropping from heights. I guess that is what will be missing after the surgery.
Also i just want to put on a pair of loafers and go down to the club/bar and not have height even come into my mind/awarness. I hope that will be doable at 5'11-6'0.
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your body looks good Sweden, very good proportions. :) I like that photo. and I think the mask/balaclava is cool :)
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Time for a little update.
I think a lot has improved and I cannow go for jogs and even fast run almost whenever I want to. It is still a little difficult and I get extremely exhausted. My stamina is still horrible.
I can feel some aches in my feet sometimes and I still lack some ROM in my ankles.
I can kick really good now and the other day I did a jumping spinning roundhouse kick. It went well.
Still have a bit x-legs in my legs, especially the left. It doesn't hurt when I run but it looks bad I think.
I'm supposed to have X-rays in 2 weeks. I'll post the pictures then.
I feel like +80% recovered. :)
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you earlier mentioned muscle reaction time was slower. did your muscle reaction time improve now??
and all the best for ur recovery. im eyeing your diary intensely as im into sports that require agility and quickness.
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I am a little bit faster now but it's nowhere near as it once were.
I think I can get much quicker if I keep running and doing explosive jumps in the gym.
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I am a little bit faster now but it's nowhere near as it once were.
I think I can get much quicker if I keep running and doing explosive jumps in the gym.
Didn't you mention earlier that you had problems in the ankles?
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Didn't you mention earlier that you had problems in the ankles?
Yes I did, all the time.
It is way better now. No aches on the sides of my feet and barely anything on the front of my shins as it used to whenever I felt an impact.
Right now it's my stamina that's the worse part. It's been really difficult to improve it but I have my hopes this summer.
Winter time in Sweden is like the dark ages. Everyone's just committing suicide here now. :-X
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Yes I did, all the time.
It is way better now. No aches on the sides of my feet and barely anything on the front of my shins as it used to whenever I felt an impact.
Right now it's my stamina that's the worse part. It's been really difficult to improve it but I have my hopes this summer.
Winter time in Sweden is like the dark ages. Everyone's just committing suicide here now. :-X
Excellent, I was a bit concerned but I should have checked your updates :P
Everyone's just committing suicide here now.
Can you explain?
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Can you explain?
Sure, this country sucks so bad now so nobody wants to stay here. There is a clear "white flight" and even me and my wife are planning to leave this hell hole.
Just need to finish my school first :)
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hey bro if u wanna be quicker u can try plyometrics..
your update will be very helpful... cos I play bball..
the endurance thing is worrying, MDOW experiences it too...
so there's a few issues: agility(ROM), endurance and reaction times?
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Sure, this country sucks so bad now so nobody wants to stay here. There is a clear "white flight" and even me and my wife are planning to leave this hell hole.
Just need to finish my school first :)
Racial, financial, what tipped it? (I'm not really into television news or anything of that matter so I don't know much of what other countries are experiencing.)
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Racial, financial, what tipped it? (I'm not really into television news or anything of that matter so I don't know much of what other countries are experiencing.)
yup tell us more. haha I met a Swedish guy only once in the past, in korea, he's like 180 its like the average height there. haha
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There is more problems. Small ones but still there. You will come to know all of them next year.
Life will never be as before.
But it's worth it being ~180 now.
I really don't feel tall but not short either, as before. So in my opinion it was all worth it.
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There is more problems. Small ones but still there. You will come to know all of them next year.
Life will never be as before.
But it's worth it being ~180 now.
I really don't feel tall but not short either, as before. So in my opinion it was all worth it.
maybe some work-outs might help. don't lose faith alright
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https://youtu.be/QF1LiHU_D-o (https://youtu.be/QF1LiHU_D-o)
This is from today. I haven't been running for 3 months since I broke my foot back then. I wore new shoes and pushed myself a little bit too hard that day, even for a normal athlete so I broke my foot. Actually it's the tibia down at the foot that broke and I didn't care about it bc I'm so sick of hospitals so I thought it would fix itself. It didn't and I'll be having a surgery for it soon. Bummer....
After 20 seconds in the video I'm really trying my absolute best and fastest I can do, with the broken foot.
In my eyes it's just terrible looking at it but it gets better.
I signed up for a professional gym that opened close to where I live now and I'll be trying my best now to get back my muscles on my legs. I miss them so bad.
Buying pants is embarrassing bc my calfs are bigger than right above my knees. I took my full measurements for a custom made racing leather suit and I am confirmed 179cm tall. I didn't buy it bc my thighs are too thin. I'm going to work on them 3 times a week and do lots of cycling.
Clearly my shins are a little too long but maybe I can get away with it if I get more buffed up.
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Tomorrow I'll be heading down for Betz Land and then see the physiotherapist for a real session. I'll let you know how it went.
I'm also thinking of a consultation with Dr Betz regarding my femurs. The more I see my legs the more I believe I need to lengthen my femurs to make them proportionate. Tibias shouldn't be equal or longer than femurs, then something is really wrong.
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well im just warning you dude, bets is a bad choice.
even look at apotheosis internal tibia nails, they are bent.
even if your rods don't snap they will bend. your bones will be bent according to how much bend the nails get.
good luck, but its just a waste to see you spend so much money on a doctor who has rods that will break or at the very least bend.
also Sweden lets not joke around, your the crazy gy who jumps fire ropes while your still disabled........... (don't mean it in a hostile way)
my point is your not going to be more careful than the average guy because you don't have patients and your impulsive.... your trip overseas to even jump the fire rope was impulsive at a time when you were facing financial difficulties according to your posts.
my point is you are an impulsive man with less than the average level of patience, to the point where you got your self caught on fire..........
this type of characteristic is not a good match for bets, considering his nail is so weak and fragile that impulsive behavior will definatly break his nail.
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like you said to disobedient.............
"It's not my intention to scare you or anything but please understand that what you're doing right now is dangerous. "
good luck but for that much money you could choose a reliable nail with like guitch.
I honestly wish you the best and I will pray for you. but your choosing someone with a shady track record. and your personality profile is like gasoline on fire for this weak nail.
but seriously you might be 1 of the lucky ones and actually get a good result. there are people who get good results with bets. lets just hope your 1 of them.
just remember the point of this message is to get your attention, you can still change your mind right now and choose a better doctor with a better nail.
good luck my friend.
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Hi Sweden I remember you used to make many posts saying 7cm is too much for tibia and you wish you did less. Since your bone compressed and ended up doing 6cm are you feeling better about your tibia length?
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Appreciate the warning. Still considering Dr Jamal. I think Guichet will be too expensive for me.
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My shins are too long. It doesn't look natural. Compressed or not but they measured a gap of ~7cm in both legs. It's just too much for tibias. 5cm is the limit.
Sure, you can hide it in clothes and most likely nobody will notice.
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Regarding the Betznail it has improved for 2015 and is now the latest version. Every patient who is there right now are walking every day and it seems to work fine.
Most of them really do around 10cm.
My friend who is there right now will be doing 8cm, a wise choice.
Betz has one of the longest proven record for CLL.
There are insane patients sometimes and we shouldn't trust blindly at everything in here. There are lots of lies in the diaries. Many patients are scared to write diaries bc of what their doctor might think. That goes for every doctors patients.
I know a couple of patients now that take testosterone and HGH. They never write about that in their diary.
So lots of them are misleading. Don't be fooled.
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Good luck Sweden, It'll be interesting to see if LL is easier the other time around.
You're doing 5CM correct, not worried about your proportions?
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wow, your tibia looks really long, but i think if you do femur it will look much better. I think you have the torso size to pull it off.
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damn... when i think about it.. you are honest and posted a video of how you appeared. This video will maybe change the minds of people who want to go for 6cm++ on tibs. I think you are doing the right thing, but what about apotheosis. the f**king piece of is posting photoshopped pics and videos taken from weird angles to cover his 10cm tibs lengthening.
Think about the people who does 6cm++ tib lengthening everything will be normal "like apotheosis" then realize they've been fked over by fake pics.
its ridiculous. old forum or atleast apo/sysop should be kicked the fk out of the limb lengthening forums.
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Regarding the Betznail it has improved for 2015 and is now the latest version. Every patient who is there right now are walking every day and it seems to work fine.
There are lots of lies in the diaries.
Don't be fooled.
Dr. Betz is telling a lot of lies too. Don't be fooled.
I would strongly recommend not to use any clicking nail. These nails are mechanically unstable and thus can negatively influence the bone healing. What's the point walking during lengthening when you require another surgery for titanium nails later with Betz? If you go with Precise or Fitbone the bone healing is very likely to be much faster. And the price is not higher than Betz.
Or did Betz offer you a discount for some advertising?
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Dr. Betz is telling a lot of lies too. Don't be fooled.
I would strongly recommend not to use any clicking nail. These nails are mechanically unstable and thus can negatively influence the bone healing. What's the point walking during lengthening when you require another surgery for titanium nails later with Betz? If you go with Precise or Fitbone the bone healing is very likely to be much faster. And the price is not higher than Betz.
Or did Betz offer you a discount for some advertising?
What other option is there for femur, surely you can't mean externals?
And is Paleys magnetic nail really tht superior?
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Sweden. If you do another lengthening you will lose more athletic habillities. Since you care a lot about that you should not do it. Do you know your actual tibia/femur ratios or measurements? And your measurements pre op?
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the f**king piece of crap is posting photoshopped pics and videos taken from weird angles to cover his 10cm tibs lengthening.
Lol, Apo also did 10 cm on his femurs, so he retained his tibia-femur proportions.
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thanks for the video Sweden. I don't know much about LL, but from what I can see, the X-legs are pretty apparent. Maybe correcting them will help with how your legs look and also possible future arthritis.
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Appreciate the warning. Still considering Dr Jamal. I think Guichet will be too expensive for me.
Sweden, if money was no issue, which doctor would you choose for your future femur surgery and why?
Im currently undecided between Guichet, Birkholz, Jamal and Monegal for my future femur operation....
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Don't be a fool. Nobody gets a discount. He has enough patients as it is, he doesn't need any advertisement.
Not everyone needs the titanium nails.
I know any more surgery will set me back even more. That's the price of getting taller, it's just the way it is.
Many patients report they are fully healed but since all they do is taking the subway to work and back they think all is fine.
I test myself to the limit in every field of athleticism. Nobody can ever get back to 100% it's just nonsense.
They will feel aches and stretch sometimes they wouldn't if they didn't do this surgery.
Even Apo must stand still and prepare himself to walk up the stairs - every time. His tibia haven't healed still.
"Tall" can most likely only barely walk and that's it.
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The two people I trust have really recoered more or less completely are shyshy and christopherbuilder. Look up their videos on here, they might never be professional athletes but they can run, dance and jump like they could before.
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But as long as you don't feel short it's worth all the damage then, teehee.
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The two people I trust have really recoered more or less completely are shyshy and christopherbuilder. Look up their videos on here, they might never be professional athletes but they can run, dance and jump like they could before.
I can dance well, jump ok (haven't really tried the high jumps yet), and I think I can run too, but haven't really tried to yet. I will soon. I've been feeling the urge.
I hope I get to ski again as well as I did, I love skiing.
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Don't be a fool. Nobody gets a discount. He has enough patients as it is, he doesn't need any advertisement.
Not everyone needs the titanium nails.
LOL. He clearly does advertise aggressively. Just read what he wrote on this forum. And how he vanished because he couldn't give answers to some critical questions.He is not a normal person. You will find out in case you get a serious problem. I know him. He is a notorious liar and can't be trusted.
Yes, not everyone needs the titanium nails. But the main reason people get titanium is because their bones are not healing properly with the Betzbone. The patients you met during your consultation and who were doing fine may very well get their problems later after they finished clicking. They will the get the titanium for 17k Eur. And in case the problems remain they will need to go to another doctor since Dr. Betz will completely ignore them.
Anyway, do what you want.
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Did the HGH/testosterone patients take the drugs during or after lengthening? How did it affect their lengthening/recovery? I'd never take those drugs personally, but I am just curious.
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After seeing your original photos before you did LL you had long tibias and short femurs to begin with. I think you should have just done femurs as I imagine you tibias are close to equal your femur length. Is it affecting your bio-mechanics? Even if it makes you look a bit weird proportionally you may have to do femur now.
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After seeing your original photos before you did LL you had long tibias and short femurs to begin with. I think you should have just done femurs as I imagine you tibias are close to equal your femur length. Is it affecting your bio-mechanics? Even if it makes you look a bit weird proportionally you may have to do femur now.
I don't even know where to begin...... Christ!!!
Everyone needs to understand that we are all equal proportionate as long as we don't suffer from any kind of disease.
No, my tibias weren't longer than anyone else who was 173. They weren't equal to my femurs.
Femurs are ALWAYS!!!! the longest bone in your body.
I had very muscular thighs before and that could have made them look like they were on the shorter side.
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If people would try out a racing leather suit they would understand that the all come proportionate as long as your not heavily obese. A suit which is size European 48 will fit a normal guy of 170cm. It will fit the legs, upper body and the arms.
EVERYONE IS PROPORTIONATE TO BEGIN WITH!!!!
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Did the HGH/testosterone patients take the drugs during or after lengthening? How did it affect their lengthening/recovery? I'd never take those drugs personally, but I am just curious.
He took it for several years, during and after lengthening. He did both segments.
The guy will never recover properly.
He went to Dr Betz.
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Sweden you always talk about how difficult the recovery phase is and how most patients never recover completely but what can a LL patient do to ensure a good recovery in your opinion?
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Sweden you always talk about how difficult the recovery phase is and how most patients never recover completely but what can a LL patient do to ensure a good recovery in your opinion?
A good question, thanks for asking.
Try to go to a good doctor. Be very well educated in what you need to do during lengthening. What to eat and all that.
Don't exceed 1mm/day, take some rest days when you need it. Learn to listen to your body.
As soon as you'll get any trouble then work hard on just that part.
Exercise your upper body, a lot.
Drink lots of water.
After frame removal or nail is locked then walk around as much as possible. Impact to the ground builds the bone and not bone graft or supplements.
Visit the physio therapist even if you think it's pointless. He will measure your gains, even the small ones you never see.
Keep exercise and eat right for the rest of your life! What more do you need?
This is what you can do to lower the risk of complications. Genetics has a lot to do with this too and that's nothing you can change. You might have right muscles or tendons so you'll get a harder time lengthening.
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My biggest issues comes from not moving around for 4-5 months. That's just terrible. But I had excellent bone regeneration bc I walked as much as possible when I got back home from India and eat everything I could find that helped my healing.
Tomorrow I will begin with all this again to fix my x-legs once and for all. I'm sick of it now. Muscles shall be back :)
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well, x legs, aka knock knees , actually can caused by bone deformity, not just muscle atrophy
dont wanna be negative, but the odds of this issue getting fixed by a new training routine are almost zero, I'd say
It's been a few years now, and you say youre constantly going to the gym, yet still have the same complaints.
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Don't know what to say.
I was sprinting and running fast in April but in May I broke my foot and since then I gained 25 pounds. Can barely walk. Life sucks.
Everything has gone to the worse. I look terrible and hate my life. It's no fun anymore.
If I want to push myself down at the gym I need to take heavy tramadol and then I get a bad headache.
I don't work, don't go to school, don't do anything. I can't.
It was never worth it if I was to lose this much of my athletic abilities.
Back in April I was doing really good. Probably the fastest LL-runner - and then I broke my foot..... This has been worse than the entire LL-procedure.
I need surgery for sure, but it's at the bottom of the tibia so it's no use they said. After the cast was taken off I can barely move my foot anymore. It's real bad.
Cheers, from cold snowy Sweden.
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Sweden I'm curious as to the situation in Sweden. Is it the refugee crisis that has made Sweden so bad? Is everyone going to Norway or something. You mentioned "white flight". Btw your proportions look great.
I had a question I never asked but during the surgery are you put to sleep?
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Sweden you look perfect ı watched your videos if I am athtletic same as you after LL ı will be happy.
Pls dont consider femur :)
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Sweden you look perfect ı watched your videos if I am athtletic same as you after LL ı will be happy.
Pls dont consider femur :)
how ignorant is that?
you cannot really tell how athletic he is - even if you watch his videos and think that he's superior to you sports-wise even after LL. Have you ever had a nightmare where you tried to run away from something but couldn't? Or where you tried to scream for help but couldn't get out anything? I bet this must be what it is like for sweden. Only that it's reality.
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Don't know what to say.
I was sprinting and running fast in April but in May I broke my foot and since then I gained 25 pounds. Can barely walk. Life sucks.
Everything has gone to the worse. I look terrible and hate my life. It's no fun anymore.
If I want to push myself down at the gym I need to take heavy tramadol and then I get a bad headache.
I don't work, don't go to school, don't do anything. I can't.
It was never worth it if I was to lose this much of my athletic abilities.
Back in April I was doing really good. Probably the fastest LL-runner - and then I broke my foot..... This has been worse than the entire LL-procedure.
I need surgery for sure, but it's at the bottom of the tibia so it's no use they said. After the cast was taken off I can barely move my foot anymore. It's real bad.
Cheers, from cold snowy Sweden.
How are you??
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Sweden how much do you actually wish you had lengthened? You state that many problems occur after 5cm and that people shouldn't go over that yet you also write that you wish you would have done 6cm.
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Hey sweden,can you update please?
And if you can record a new video of your running and walking it will be greatly appreciated.Im very curious about your current progress.(i hope im not asking too much)
Thanks
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I wish I'd done 5cm.
Doesn't matter now. I did 7.
I'll upload a new video this weekend.
I can actually barely run. I guess I have to take tramadol before I go.
My left knee is not working anymore bc of the X-legs. I have decided to take out the nails now and I'll push for surgery to fix the X-legs. It is now really bad and it gets only worse. My knees will be permanently destroyed if I keep going like this.
They ache every day now, on the inside of the knees.
Right ankle is still very tight and the foot is broken bc of X legs so it doesn't really function as it should.
My athletic lifestyle is completely ruined and I'm very depressed for it. There is no meaning for me to keep going if I can't have that part of my life.
I did hit the gym very hard today but the knee forced me to stop. It hurts in every motion I do what so ever. It started doing so for the last 2-3 weeks.
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dont give up
we'll be ok
i know how depressing it is... life is not the same
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Sorry to hear about the complications. Looking back, would you do something like 2.5cm femur + 2.5cm tibia, instead of your 7cm?
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Seriously though Sweden I am not understanding it...
Did you break your foot while the nails still inside or you got them out already? Meaning did you break it while you are still in the process or after?
But really you shouldn't pushed yourself...
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Dude why don't you get your alignment fixed with external frames. Go to India if you need to. It should be way easier than LL.
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I dont understand or get the big arguement about proportions and wingspan. I have friends who are 6'5" and fat, and they still pull hot girls often. If girls don't care about their pot bellies they aren't going to even care about your Tibia's being longer than your fibulas or will they even notice. You will have clothes on, and the only time they will see you is when your having sex, and they won't be focus on your proportions or wingspan. The whole proportions argument baffles me. No one will care, just stay fit, and that is all that matters.
I dont see anything strange on that guy. What do you prefer be 5'5 with good proportions or be 5'8 with a little less good proportions that only people in the forum can see?
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The weather was crap so I couldn't do a video.
I'll do it later.
Next week is physio. I'll let you know what he says.
It is not JUST TO GO TO INDIA AND GET FRAMES ON YOU'RE LEGS! I can't spare the time right now. On tops I could go in to frames over the summer, here in Sweden only. I'll try to push for that.
I broke my foot 2015. I still have the nails in my legs. They don't interfere with my feet.
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I'm getting in to shape now and it feels much better. X legs sucks, but that's what you get for being cheap.
Nobody does 2,5cm on both segment. You should do 5cm.
In the future I really consider doing 4cm to even my leg proportion out. But my sitting height will be for the worse then.....
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The weather was crap so I couldn't do a video.
I'll do it later.
Next week is physio. I'll let you know what he says.
It is not JUST TO GO TO INDIA AND GET FRAMES ON YOU'RE LEGS! I can't spare the time right now. On tops I could go in to frames over the summer, here in Sweden only. I'll try to push for that.
I broke my foot 2015. I still have the nails in my legs. They don't interfere with my feet.
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I'm getting in to shape now and it feels much better. X legs sucks, but that's what you get for being cheap.
Nobody does 2,5cm on both segment. You should do 5cm.
In the future I really consider doing 4cm to even my leg proportion out. But my sitting height will be for the worse then.....
Wouldn't 2.5cm+2.5cm be safer than doing 5cm in just one segment?
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Wouldn't 2.5cm+2.5cm be safer than doing 5cm in just one segment?
I can't see how breaking 4 limbs can be safer than breaking 2. Most CLL patients gain an average 6-7cm.
Doing 5cm is significantly easier than 8cm. 2.5cm is a waste of time.
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http://www.childrenshospital.org/centers-and-services/anterior-cruciate-ligament-program/bridge-enhanced-acl-repair-trial
If your knee is the problem you should check this up i think this can be of good use for LL patients!
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hey man! RGKEY here, hope you can recover...just take it easy man.. I know is hard,, but that's just the way it is...cheers..
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hey sweeden,can you update?
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So here's the update.
There was no time this summer for me to fix the x legs so I guess I have to suffer 1 more year or so.
Me and a friend are going to Dr Betz next year and then I'll be having an examination of my legs. (My friend did 8cm there).
My ankles are tight, especially my right now. Always has. Every morning I feel a tightness, knees ache sometimes and if I go for a run its very difficult for me to move around 2 days after.
I still need aspirins and sometimes when it's bad I take tramadol.
My calf muscles are very tight so when I walk it can feel like they're about to snap sometimes.
I still lack a lot of muscles on my thighs. It's very difficult to build the legs when there is constant pain in almost everything I do. Not much, but it's there.
Left leg is the most turned inwards so that knee ache a lot. Right foot is real bad bc I broke it last year bc of x legs. It never healed good so every step I take hurts just a little bit. It's a bitch.
I think my back muscles are stretched bc I can't sleep long time on my stomach bc then my back hurts so bad that I can barely move.
Life goes on. I'm more focused on my career right now but I miss my active sporty life I used to have.
I earn much more money now so I was thinking of going to Dr Betz next year and also Dr Guichet to see his training facility. Hopefully he can help me with the x legs and foot.
7cm is just too much for the tibias. It doesn't look good in my opinion. People don't have knees that far up.
Even my friend who did 8cm on his femurs have his knees too far down. People doesn't look like that. You changer away with it, sure. Clothes hide a lot.
I'm still considering doing 4cm on my femurs to even the leg ration out but I don't think my upper body can handle it. My torso would look too small when sitting down. It's just so far from natural as it can be.
I don't regret doing it. I should have only done my 6cm as intended. That's it.
I'm still working on a video. Give it 3 weeks or so.
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what about your friend? Does he also regret doing 8cm? proportionally and physical recovery speaking
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hello
my experience by those we do tibia must then make femur because the disparity is greater
To 5 cm of femur we see no visual difference the difference after 6 cm
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Thank you for the update Sweden!
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what about your friend? Does he also regret doing 8cm? proportionally and physical recovery speaking
No, he went from 165cm to 173cm, my former height and he says he is happy. He is not an athlete so he doesn't care about running or flexibility.
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people come in all shapes and sizes...the preoccupation with proportions is highly overrated.
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people come in all shapes and sizes...the preoccupation with proportions is highly overrated.
Forget about it. Nature has made the femur the longest bone in the body, not the tibia. It only differs by millimeters.
Muscles can hide a lot and make limbs look shorter than they really are.
Some tribes in Kenya have slightly longer tibias, and thinner, that makes them run faster. But their femurs are still the longest bone in the body.
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So here's the update.
There was no time this summer for me to fix the x legs so I guess I have to suffer 1 more year or so.
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Life goes on. I'm more focused on my career right now but I miss my active sporty life I used to have.
I earn much more money now so I was thinking of going to Dr Betz next year and also Dr Guichet to see his training facility. Hopefully he can help me with the x legs and foot.
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I'm still working on a video. Give it 3 weeks or so.
Great diary. Just read it, what's on this forum anyway. Guess I'll have to go to old forum to get the rest of it. Please forgive my ignorance, is that where all the videos you mention but don't show here go up? Or do you have a YouTube channel?
Any chance someone would post a link to his other diary in old forum?
Very glad to hear that at least your career has prospered lately. Sorry about the complications. If you're willing to share, what do you do for a living?
Why do you need to wait another year to fix X legs? Summer the only time it's ok for you career wise to take a lot of time off? Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but it seems like delaying addressing the X legs has caused things to be worse than needed to be. It's why you broke your foot right? I hope whatever path you take it works out well. But I also want to encourage you to address and fix your broken foot and X legs asap. Delaying that only delays your ultimate best possible recovery. Also, since it's now correcting a health issue and injury, doesn't insurance cover it?
Well, thank you for sharing and doing a great diary. I really appreciate getting to learn from your experiences.
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If I had to do externals I would do LON. Externals alone seem hell to me.
People say Dr Sarin is a very bad doctor. Is it about internals, externals or both?
I have a question for Sweden: why doesn't Sarin correct X legs? He should if he caused the issue but I am not sure if this is the case.
I would also love to watch the videos like Endgame. Endgame where are you from?
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How are you?Update?
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Quick update. I'll update more later, about to go for a run.
X-legs are still causing me trouble but I can feel a slight difference to the better. I don't get the same knee pain any more as I used to.
I run much more often now than before. I go to the gym and it is working much better.
My broken foot is the absolute worst. I'm about to get that fixed somehow. In Sweden it just takes forever.
I am healthy and have started a new job where I actually get paid way much more than before. Maybe it's a direct cause of me being taller. Taller people earn more....
I'm still married to the same woman. I drive a new car and about to buy a new fancy house.
Since I earn so much more I'm considering doing another 4cm. My shins are just too long. I did 7cm, it's just too much for the shins.
I got a new passport the other day and it says I'm 181cm in it. So cool :)
I'll update more when I get back.
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I got a new passport the other day and it says I'm 181cm in it. So cool :)
5'11 is dope height, congrats man.
Btw my orthopedic doc told me(since i have problems with left knee) to bike instead of running since running can screw up your knees especially joints.
Idk if it's true but you might give it a shot.
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I got a new passport the other day and it says I'm 181cm in it. So cool :)
Congrats man, I can't wait to put 177cm on my driver's license. ;D
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I am healthy and have started a new job where I actually get paid way much more than before. Maybe it's a direct cause of me being taller. Taller people earn more....
Im glad you are doing much better but that is really not a logical generalisation...
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Im glad you are doing much better but that is really not a logical generalisation...
Yes it is. Surprised you didn't know about it.
https://www.google.se/amp/amp.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.html?client=safari
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12187872/Size-does-matter-tall-men-and-slender-women-earn-more-throughout-life.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3088322/Taller-people-RICHER-Scientists-biggest-leap-income-takes-place-5-4-5-6-6-no-effect.html
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I was out running in the hills for 30 minutes and then took a walk for 2,5h bc of the weather.
We then went to Taekwondo class for another 2h and I was totally destroyed. Finished up with 1h bike ride.
I can barely move right now. Pushed for about 110%. I'll be sore the entire next week.
My stamina is around 50% of what it used to be. Very difficult to gain better stamina now.
Leg muscles are back at 70%. They still look small. Calf muscles have exploded, they're the worlds biggest. Even equal to my thighs, looks bizarre.
On a good day I still do the splits. I have difficulties reaching my toes with straight legs.
My shins are too long proportion wise. Don't pass 5cm on shins.
Explosiveness never came back. Impossible. Calfs are just big and blunt. There is no grace trying to jump on one leg. Overall jumping is very difficult.
Knees ache every morning. It is still difficult to get up each and every morning and take the first steps.
X-legs is still there and knees can ache sometimes bc of it although it has improved(the ache) last 6 months.
I'm going to a new physical therapist and the local orthopedic center is looking for a new solution to my feet. Not really suffering from ballerina but I would benefit from having better range of motion in my ankles.
Even though I've suffered a lot(many has suffered way much more but they don't know how to measure it so they think they're fine - they're not) I'm happy I did it. It is still absolute priceless meeting with new people and being at the same eye level or above.
I'm a full head taller than my wife too. It's just great. Pictures of us look much better. =)
Not sure what else to tell about. Ask me anything. I did the surgery in January 2013. 7cm, should have stopped at 5cm.
Still want 4cm on femurs - it won't improve my general proportions, only leg proportions.
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You Say that I shouldnt go above 5? What do you think about 6 cm?
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You Say that I shouldnt go above 5? What do you think about 6 cm?
I think you shouldn't go above 5cm.
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Well..idk that is kinda fked up.I was thinking that might apply to males who below 5'7 or around,but some of that websites say it exists until 6'.
Anyway so you want to do that another 4 cm because of your proportionally long tibia right?Not because you still didnt satisfied with your new height?(Ofc you will be taller which is even better but i just wonder if that is the main reason or not.)
What do you exactly feel in a freaking tall country like that as a 5'11 guy?
And im also curious about your x-legs.So if you have x-legs you must be taller than your current height with straight legs right?(i mean after you handle the problem
and finally what do you think about that video that you mentioned couple months earlier?I totally understand if you dont want to record.Im just curious about your progress.
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Sweden,
Can I come live with you in Sverige?
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I THINK TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AFTER 7CM ON MY FEMUR MY TIBIA IS SMALL NOW ESPECIALLY FOR EXERCISES AS SQUATT OR TO LET DOWN IT WILL NEED 5 CM OR 6CM IN TIBIA
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Tall people earn more on average, but that doesn't have to have any impact on the individual level - even as a short person, you can still achieve a good income. That's like saying statistically speaking many Indians live in London, but you can still live there if you're not Indian.
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Well..idk that is kinda fked up.I was thinking that might apply to males who below 5'7 or around,but some of that websites say it exists until 6'.
Anyway so you want to do that another 4 cm because of your proportionally long tibia right?Not because you still didnt satisfied with your new height?(Ofc you will be taller which is even better but i just wonder if that is the main reason or not.)
What do you exactly feel in a freaking tall country like that as a 5'11 guy?
And im also curious about your x-legs.So if you have x-legs you must be taller than your current height with straight legs right?(i mean after you handle the problem
and finally what do you think about that video that you mentioned couple months earlier?I totally understand if you dont want to record.Im just curious about your progress.
My dream height is 186cm, but I will look like a spider if I do another 6-7cm on femurs.
So 4cm is still pushing it a little but doable.
X-legs barely takes 5millimeter from your height.
I don't feel tall here in Sweden. The average Swedish guy is taller.
As soon as it gets warmer I will make the video.
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how tall would you expect the average Swedish guy ?
My dream height is 186cm, but I will look like a spider if I do another 6-7cm on femurs.
So 4cm is still pushing it a little but doable.
X-legs barely takes 5millimeter from your height.
I don't feel tall here in Sweden. The average Swedish guy is taller.
As soon as it gets warmer I will make the video.
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You say it in nearly every post. More than 5cm is too much, but would you have been happier truely with 5 cm? Ask yourself, if you'd have had the perfect relative painless experience with 5cm don't you think you'd be just as 'grass is always greener' about being 7cm+?
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Sweden,how are you doing ? Any updates ?
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HI SWEDEN
your Diary is the first I read ,
where you think to do the femur ?
i am thinking to do femur
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You say it in nearly every post. More than 5cm is too much, but would you have been happier truely with 5 cm? Ask yourself, if you'd have had the perfect relative painless experience with 5cm don't you think you'd be just as 'grass is always greener' about being 7cm+?
Yes. I would do femurs if I only did 5cm on tibia, agreed.
I’m still thinking of doing femurs. Not that I need it, but still.
I am doing fine. Left leg is twisted 4 degrees and that’s the way it is. Don’t think I can fix it with physical therapy.
I can run. Knees ache a day or two after a run.
My stamina sucks real bad. I mean terrible really. Can’t seem to get it better.
It’s been 5 years now, almost(next month) and life has turned to the better for sure.
I’m older so I know I can’t do all I could when I was 22. That’s life.
I still have the rods in my tibias and I’ll be keeping them. Knees will be destroyed if I take them out.
I’m glad I did it.
Still married to the same woman.
I earn tons of money, to the grade I could go to Guichet tomorrow if I really wanted to.
Maybe I’ll do my femurs - maybe I won’t. I don’t think I need to though, but 4 fast cm would be sooo sweet.
Taller is better. Being the tallest guy in the room is the greatest. I still have the looks so I’m getting enough attention from the ladies. Even gay people have tried their move more often now.
If I want to change anything it’s my physical appearance. I would be much more muscular like I was before. I know I only need discipline but man is it hard these days.
I still do martial art but have changed to kickboxing. I’m doing pretty well there too.
I can, when I’m warmed up, stillreach my toes and I can still do the splits.
NEVER QUIT!
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Thanks for the update Sweden, always nice to see how the journey is years down the line.
Too bad about the complications, but it seems that it's a comparatively small price to pay for such a big confidence boost.
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With my winter boots I’m ~183cm tall and I enjoy every minute of it.
I’ll be getting a new passport soon and I’ll try to make them print “height: 184cm”.
That’ll be sweet since all of my other passports says 173.....
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Hey Sweden,
How sure are you on the "your knees getting destroyed" if you remove the rods and foreign objects from your legs?
I kind of suspect that the metal rods inside your bones affects physical performance a lot, and could be a big factor in your lack of stamina.
Our bones have elasticity and on a small scale move elastically when we run to adapt to the forces subjected on the body. The metal does not have elasticity and thus makes it harder for the body to run.
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With my winter boots I’m ~183cm tall and I enjoy every minute of it.
I’ll be getting a new passport soon and I’ll try to make them print “height: 184cm”.
That’ll be sweet since all of my other passports says 173.....
Sweden you are 1.80 which is a great height. With shoes you are always 1.82-3 without even insoles.
This is a great improve over your previous height and no sane person would feel any problem at that height.
So why you want to print on your passport 1.84? This seems that you still has height complexes and I really can't understand why after all you've been through.
I am 1.75 and when I am asked how tall I am I never add even 1 cm more. And I don't want my passport or id to write anything else, although my height is not that good as 1.80 and also I plan to do another LL.
You seem like a sensible person but I can't understand why you still have problems with your height and as I remember you have some x knees after LL which is way more important than doing a second LL. I did a corrective surgery 6 minths ago to straight my right leg and shorten my achn tendons as I want to be as good as I can before I do a second LL and I am about 10 years less than you and without family.
So I wonder why a married man like you at the age of about 40 is still not ok with an 1.80 height and wants to do another LL without even fixing completely the problems the first LL left to him.
Ayway I am writing all these because I know you from the old forum and I don't believe you are a lunatic like many people here who want to lengthen 3 cm, who did 2 LLs with 1.83 initial height or does cross LL with external barbaric frames. That's why I want understand your motives and why you are not completely ok with your current, veey good, height.
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It’s just a passport. It’s for the fun of it.
When I’m old I have something cool to show my friends at the retirement home or something.
I’m satisfied with my height. Not every day but enough.
I did a thourogh examination of my X-legs this year and it is caused by short muscles. It is very difficult to fix.
There is nothing wrong with my tibias. They are as straight as they should.
And yes, removing the rods will set me back too much right now in my life. I need to have a functional body.
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Do the rods set off airport metal detectors? I'm sure this has been asked before sorry haha.
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Do the rods set off airport metal detectors? I'm sure this has been asked before sorry haha.
Sometimes.
The detector the guard is wearing in his hand beeps off.
But they know what it is so they barely even ask any more.
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It’s just a passport. It’s for the fun of it.
When I’m old I have something cool to show my friends at the retirement home or something.
I’m satisfied with my height. Not every day but enough.
I did a thourogh examination of my X-legs this year and it is caused by short muscles. It is very difficult to fix.
There is nothing wrong with my tibias. They are as straight as they should.
And yes, removing the rods will set me back too much right now in my life. I need to have a functional body.
Valid points. But still I believe that another LL won't offer you much things as you have a very good height and you already have a fiancee so that extra height boost does nit really matter that much when you are in a good height.
But you know better.
For me I know that if I was 1.80 I wouldn't consider LL. Thats why I plan to stop at 6cm in my second LL, because when I am a solid 1.80 at night I won't care for more.
But different people different choices.
Keep strong!
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Thanks!
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Tall people earn more on average, but that doesn't have to have any impact on the individual level - even as a short person, you can still achieve a good income. That's like saying statistically speaking many Indians live in London, but you can still live there if you're not Indian.
I agree, based on what I have seen - professional discrimination is minimal based on height or looks, the social/dating discrimination is huge.
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Not sure what else to tell about. Ask me anything.
Do you think it's still possible do dance like this after the operation ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC3nh-QmgoE
Can you do some basic moove like the running man ?
Thanks :)
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It can be done.
I can’t do it, but that’s bc I can’t dance.
A patient who don’t have X-legs or a broken foot should not have any trouble doing that.
Don’t pass 5cm on tibia and you’ll be fine. My 7cm was too much. I have issues every day. Small, but still.
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It can be done.
I can’t do it, but that’s bc I can’t dance.
A patient who don’t have X-legs or a broken foot should not have any trouble doing that.
Don’t pass 5cm on tibia and you’ll be fine. My 7cm was too much. I have issues every day. Small, but still.
I don't intend to pass 5cm on tibia, but is the difference that big?
After all, it's all a bunch of unnaturally stretching your soft tissues.
I also know you've described your issues as small aches and such in the past, but could you go into a bit more detail, if you find the time, please? Thank you.
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It can be done.
I can’t do it, but that’s bc I can’t dance.
A patient who don’t have X-legs or a broken foot should not have any trouble doing that.
Don’t pass 5cm on tibia and you’ll be fine. My 7cm was too much. I have issues every day. Small, but still.
Thanks for the feedback !
I won't do more than 5cm on tibia as my frame is already short torso / long leg, I don't want to look ridiculous.
Allright the inability to be able to dance was one of the few things that made me reluctant to do it.
I'll do video of me dancing now so people will have a before / after lol
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Honestly long tibias look great. They look much better than long ass femurs.
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Honestly long tibias look great. They look much better than long ass femurs.
True. But probably not 7cm longer than the tibias you already have.
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People don’t notice. Or some might do, but doesn’t care. Not their problem.
I still have Xlegs which hurts. I can run, but haven’t done it for a year now. Takes 3 days to recover from a good run.
Stamina is terrible.
Otherwise things are good.
I want to build more muscles but right now I work too much. It’s easy getting lazy.....
I will try to get Dr Betz to examine my Xlegs this summer. I did it here in Sweden and they said all I needed was some physical therapy. Right now I’m putting lots of stress to my joints in the knees.
I’m not really focusing on this anymore. I have other priorities. But yes, the Xlegs bugs me every day still.
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Why did you not just add 6.5-7cm on you’re femur and 5 on you’re tibia ?
Because of the money?
I’m the same heigth than you before surgery and I will do 6.5 on my femur and hope to be happy with my 180cm!
I know what you feel, if I was 176-177 It will only need to do 1 surgery to be « tall ».
It's hard to be so indecisive.
A person who measures 1m65 or less will be less hesitant about whether to do quadrilateral. But when you are at the limit of your dream (for me 1m83) and you know you will not reach it if you only do femur. It's hard to make the right decision.
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My first goal was 6cm on tibias and later maybe 5cm on femurs.
Then when I lengthened I decided to go for 7cm, be 180 and be done with it.
I could go for 4-5cm on femurs now, to even out the proportions. (And to reach my dream height)
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Today I tried sprinting to the absolute maximum until I almost died.
It actually went pretty good. I’m not the slowest one around.
My running is a bit stiff and my Xlegs push my knees inwards so it doesn’t look good at all when I run. I did a little video of it and I will make a better one this week to show you.
Knees ache a little bit now. All of it is on the inside where they “knock”.
I have started heavy weightlifting and doing constant foam roller exercises every day. Morning and nights.
Don’t know if it’ll do anything better but my running has turned to the better and that makes me happy. I love running. =)
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Life is good. I’m still married to the same woman, we moved to a much bigger house downtown, I’m still doing martial art and we’re thinking of getting a dog. A Doberman. Then I would force myself to take longer walks too.
And yes, 4cm on my femurs would hit the sweet spot. But then I’m afraid I’ll have short arms and way too short torso.
My butt is not big or fat in any way so I don’t come higher up from that as a girl I talked to yesterday has. She is 172 tall and with a larger butt. When we sat down she almost towered me.
That was embarrassing. =D
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Hey Sweden how have you been going are you still going to do your femurs?
Looks like you could do 5cm and still look fine I think you said your sitting height was 92cm?
Are you having any issues still with having done 7cm tibias other than xlegs like tight ankles and muscles?
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Sweden is everything okay? I hope you are the same as before please update us
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Hey Sweden, Hope you're doing well. I am also Swedish. When you came back to Sweden, Did you go to Vårdcentralen for Xrays to see how your bones consolidated. How did the doctors react to your X-rays and your surgery?
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i think its good that we dont hear from him anymore. it most likely means he moved on with life and is now living the dream all of us have
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3年过去了，希望你有一个更新
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i think its good that we dont hear from him anymore. it most likely means he moved on with life and is now living the dream all of us have
Last I checked, he was fully recovered and went on to some international martial arts competition for his country.