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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Doctors => Topic started by: Muse on October 03, 2013, 10:11:41 AM

Title: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Muse on October 03, 2013, 10:11:41 AM
Here's the response from Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center for Restorative Traumatology and Orthopaedics

At present height increase in our Center possible, if the patient complies with the criteria, indicated in Protocol No1 of July 22, 2013.

1. Starting height less than 165 cm for guys (160 cm - for girls).
2. Disproportion of lower limb segments (evaluated by doctors of the Center).
3. Disproportion of body and limbs (evaluated by doctors of the Center).
4. There is also age limit, 21-40 years, associated with higher risk of osteoporosis, complications related to vascular system and delayed consolidation.
5. The height increase candidates should be in good health and they are required to bring a health report, describing their entire previous medical history, signed by GP.

If you comply with with the above requirements, then height increase is possible at our Center.

Duration of in-patient treatment depends on many factors, including age, amount of lengthening, patient's diligence in following doctor's recommendations, etc.

However, it is not mandatory to stay in the hospital during the entire treatment. It is possible to be discharged from the hospital for out-patient treatment during fixation period (consolidation of the achieve result). In this case duration of hospital stay is reduced (and, of course, the cost). Usually our height increase patients stay in the hospital for the distraction period; then they leave the hospital for out-patient treatment with fixators on; and later it is mandatory to be admitted to the hospital again for a few days for fixator removal.

Motion activity, physical exercise therapy, walking with crutches or sticks, starts from the second day after surgery.
During the entire treatment our patients lead an active lifestyle, almost without limitations.  Our patients start walking without additional means of support in 1.5-2 months after removal of the external fixators.

The cost of our treatment is quite reasonable. It consists of the cost of preoperative examination, cost of surgery (which depends on how complex the surgery is), cost of fixator (which depends on the operated segment and number of parts), cost of accommodation (depends on the type of the room), duration of treatment, mandatory assistance package.

The costs are as follows:
standard preoperative examination (approx. 5000 roubles)
the cost of surgery (which depends on the type of surgery) - either 49400 roubles  (one-level lengthening) or 64200 roubles (two-level lengthening) per surgery (each leg is counted as a separate surgery).
the cost of fixator for one tibia - approx. 17800 roubles (you will need two of them)
the cost of one bed-day in a common room shared by 4-7 patients - 1460 roubles.
mandatory assistance package for 90 days - 117800 roubles (if you stay in the hospital longer - the cost will increase).

If you add all the above costs you will get the total cost of treatment. The cost includes accommodation, standard hospital meals, physical exercise therapy and medications associated with orthopaedic treatment, translator assistance in communication with hospital staff.

You can get additional information from doctor in English over the phone 007 3522 43 06 88.


Best regards,
Dr.K.I.Novikov, MD
Head of the orthopaedic Department No13
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center
"Restorative Traumatology and Orthopaedics""
6, M.Ulianova St., 640014, Kurgan, Russia
Phone: 007 3522 45 47 58
web-site: www.ilizarov.ru
e-mail: n.balayeva@ilizarov.ru (Natalia Balaeva)
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Adriano on October 03, 2013, 01:11:11 PM
if my calcs r right this is very cheap!!!

R you able to sum up the cost for full 3 month stay. it is not clear how to come up with the total cost. i get a figure of around US$12K.

What do they mean by 1 level lengthenning and 2 level lengthenning?

would be interested to know how much internals r if they do them.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Muse on October 04, 2013, 05:31:40 PM
if my calcs r right this is very cheap!!!

R you able to sum up the cost for full 3 month stay. it is not clear how to come up with the total cost. i get a figure of around US$12K.

What do they mean by 1 level lengthenning and 2 level lengthenning?

would be interested to know how much internals r if they do them.

Here;s the response

1. The rough estimate is 12500 USD (including 3 months in a common room and 2 tibial surgeries). If the number of surgeries increases or the duration of stay increases - the cost will increase accordingly. Currency exchange rate also influences the cost, because the price-list is in roubles.

2. 1 cut of the tibia or 2 cuts.

3. For cosmetic height increase purpose internal techniques are not applied.

Natalia Balaeva
International Department
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: TomD on October 05, 2013, 02:16:02 AM
Let me double check the height limits. I am 170 and I swear these people told me I would be ok .
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: An_Apple_A_Day on October 05, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
I have to say I was always interested in why Russia did not get more diaries.

I wonder if the centre where Dr Mitkovic did surgery is still active?  From what I read back around 2008 patients were very happy with him, his results and his unique frames.

Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on February 15, 2014, 11:50:24 AM
do you gys trust this doctor.

I am thinking this might be a good option.
have we had any diaries with him before. I notice he is also on the recommended doctors list for old forum .
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Taller on February 15, 2014, 02:55:19 PM
Do you guys think there is any hope of getting surgery done here for those over 165 CM? What if, say, a 173 guy wanted to get it done? Dr. Parley has said on numerous occasions that height neurosis can occur in people of any height. I think that this height cap is pretty unnecessary and annoying. Also, the requirement for "disproportion" is pretty unnecessary as well. Sweden was proportionate before his LL, and he looks just fine after 7 CM.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: mediocre on February 15, 2014, 04:04:50 PM

It may be personal preference of doc or mandated by the country's ortho/cosmetics society.

But I agree with Dr Paley

Do you guys think there is any hope of getting surgery done here for those over 165 CM? What if, say, a 173 guy wanted to get it done? Dr. Parley has said on numerous occasions that height neurosis can occur in people of any height. I think that this height cap is pretty unnecessary and annoying. Also, the requirement for "disproportion" is pretty unnecessary as well. Sweden was proportionate before his LL, and he looks just fine after 7 CM.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Doflamingo on February 16, 2014, 05:02:17 PM
What technique does he use?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Shuya on January 02, 2015, 05:18:21 AM
Did anyone seek treatment from the center? I guess it uses external fixation. But the price is attractive.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: theuprising on January 02, 2015, 08:09:06 PM
Here;s the response


2. 1 cut of the tibia or 2 cuts.


Natalia Balaeva
International Department
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center

Does anyone here know what is meant by 1 or 2 cuts of the tibia? I've heard this terminology from a couple of surgeons.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Medium Drink Of Water on January 02, 2015, 10:43:18 PM
2 cuts means they cut/break the bone in more than one place, so you have two gaps instead of one.  Some surgeons prefer patients to have two smaller gaps than one large one.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ShortyMcShort on January 03, 2015, 07:58:10 AM
Is it riskier to get two cuts? A 2 cut approach would greatly reduce the distraction time though which is a huge plus for those who have limited time
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Shuya on January 03, 2015, 05:12:43 PM
I am really interested due to the low price. Does anyone have interest too so that we can search more information together. I am a Hongkonger with the height of 164 cm, meeting one of the criteria. I wish to gain at least 7 cm more, reaching 171 cm, which is average in my country.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tx1111 on January 07, 2015, 04:31:21 AM
I have been talking to them for almost 8 months and went to kurgan for consultatiin with them.

 They said they do the 1 cut for 5 cm or less. The two cut for over 5 cm.
the two cut allows for faster distraction of up to 2mm per day for the first 5-10 days. After that the rate of lengthening slows down.

Even i thought, damn 2mm is really fast.

but they pioneered this operation and they do it on a regulard basis so im kind of trusting them.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Shuya on January 07, 2015, 08:09:33 AM
I have been talking to them for almost 8 months and went to kurgan for consultatiin with them.

 They said they do the 1 cut for 5 cm or less. The two cut for over 5 cm.
the two cut allows for faster distraction of up to 2mm per day for the first 5-10 days. After that the rate of lengthening slows down.

Even i thought, damn 2mm is really fast.

but they pioneered this operation and they do it on a regulard basis so im kind of trusting them.

They pioneered this operation. Do they have any successful cases for sharing? When will you start your operation? I would like to know more your experience dealing with them. I sent them an email last week but have not yet received any reply.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: KiloKAHN on January 07, 2015, 10:04:06 PM
My doc seemed to think the double cut is a terrible idea for cosmetic lengthening.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tx1111 on January 11, 2015, 04:08:32 AM
They pioneered this operation. Do they have any successful cases for sharing? When will you start your operation? I would like to know more your experience dealing with them. I sent them an email last week but have not yet received any reply.

Thats kne of ny concerns. I cant find any diaries published in these two forums and those that have done it state successful results but they delete their diaries for bull  reasons.

I detailed everything about my consultatiin witht them. Click kn my name and look through my posts cause i wrote alot.

In the Russian forums theh have a good reputation.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Dreamer on January 12, 2015, 07:06:58 AM
Natalie had emailed be back today. Rejected me due to my height of 171cm. And I only asked for 6cm increase
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Shuya on January 12, 2015, 09:48:45 AM
Natalie had emailed be back today. Rejected me due to my height of 171cm. And I only asked for 6cm increase

Don't be upset. You may try Dr Barinov (in Volgograd) or Dr Bagirov (in Moscow). I think the prices are just similar.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Shuya on January 20, 2015, 04:27:38 AM
I got an email back from Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center:-

Thank you for the interest to our Center.

You can increase your height by lengthening both tibiae by 6 cm at one
stage, at trauma and orthopaedic department # 17, Kurgan Ilizarov
Center. The treatment will take 5.5 to 6 months. It will cost about
650 000 Russian Roubles (staying at a shared room) or about 900 000
RusRoubles (single room) - surgeries. meals, radiographs, anaesthesia
included. You need to provide a health certificate showing you have no
contraindications for anaesthesia. Blood tests are to be made at the
Center, and you'll be examined by several specialists, like dentists,
ENT doctor, psychologist before you get to the hospital.

Best regards,

Prof.A.M.Aranovich, MD, PhD
Head of trauma and orthopaedic department
RISC RTO, Kurgan, Russia


Would anyone who has LL done in the center like to share the experience?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Blackhawk on January 20, 2015, 04:52:08 AM
650,000 roubles @ .015 is 9,750 USD.

Not bad, everything included.

Except going to Russia right now is a big turn off.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tx1111 on January 20, 2015, 10:05:46 PM
Does anyine else find it weird that Kurgan quotes these short times for the total time of the procedure.

Theyre saying 5.5 to 6 months for 6cm and they quoted me 7 moths for 7 cm.

When I asked they said on the 2 cut operatiin you can lengthen faster.

Im am inclined to take their word on it gjven their experience and reputation but i want to know everyone elses thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: KiloKAHN on January 20, 2015, 11:03:18 PM
Does anyine else find it weird that Kurgan quotes these short times for the total time of the procedure.

Theyre saying 5.5 to 6 months for 6cm and they quoted me 7 moths for 7 cm.

When I asked they said on the 2 cut operatiin you can lengthen faster.

Im am inclined to take their word on it gjven their experience and reputation but i want to know everyone elses thoughts on this.

That does seem a bit low. You can take a look at my x-rays after 6 months lengthening 6 cm, and they're clearly not consolidated enough to take off the frames, even though two separate orthos say my regenerate is really good.

Here's what my doc said about the double cut method:

"My surgeon said it's a bad idea for cosmetic lengthening. Double cut osteotomies are done in corrections sometimes, like when the bone is bent like a bow, but it just causes problems for a cosmetic case. For one thing, problems you can get during lengthening such as equinus contracture happen more easily with the double cut method. And problems such as having bad regenerate will happen in both osteotomy sites instead of one site with the single osteotomy, effectively making your issues twice as bad.

It's almost always the case that one osteotomy site will heal before the other too, meaning you're not going to be healing faster than someone with a single osteotomy. There have been studies which suggest that the double cut method doesn't result in any statistically significant speed up in recovery time compared to single cut osteotomy. So you're just giving yourself more issues by doing it."


http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1575.msg24646#msg24646
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ForcedPuberty on January 21, 2015, 02:47:01 PM
how long till your frames can come off kilokahn?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ReadRothbard on January 21, 2015, 08:18:08 PM
That does seem a bit low. You can take a look at my x-rays after 6 months lengthening 6 cm, and they're clearly not consolidated enough to take off the frames, even though two separate orthos say my regenerate is really good.

Here's what my doc said about the double cut method:

"My surgeon said it's a bad idea for cosmetic lengthening. Double cut osteotomies are done in corrections sometimes, like when the bone is bent like a bow, but it just causes problems for a cosmetic case. For one thing, problems you can get during lengthening such as equinus contracture happen more easily with the double cut method. And problems such as having bad regenerate will happen in both osteotomy sites instead of one site with the single osteotomy, effectively making your issues twice as bad.

It's almost always the case that one osteotomy site will heal before the other too, meaning you're not going to be healing faster than someone with a single osteotomy. There have been studies which suggest that the double cut method doesn't result in any statistically significant speed up in recovery time compared to single cut osteotomy. So you're just giving yourself more issues by doing it."


http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1575.msg24646#msg24646

They might be referring to the time table to return to daily life rather than when you can take the frames off.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tallerbetter on February 02, 2015, 01:44:03 PM
650,000 roubles @ .015 is 9,750 USD.

Not bad, everything included.

Except going to Russia right now is a big turn off.

I'd be afraid of going to Russia right now, yes. Otherwise, it seems good.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tx1111 on February 08, 2015, 05:42:49 AM
Price update

Standard preop exam - approx. 6500-7000 
Surgery 1 B category - 46430*2
Surgery 3 category - 15910*2
Anaesthesia - cost varies between 2950 and 20530 (per one surgery)
X-ray - cost varies depending on the type of X-rays (approx. 500 roubles per one X-ray, you will need several X-rays throughout the treatment)
1 bed-day       - 1920 (shared)
                        -  2670 (double)
                        - 3290-4770 (single)
Ilizarov external fixator - cost varies depending on the type/number of parts (approx. 20000-30000 per one fixator; you will need 2 of them)
Mandatory assistance package - 117800 (up to 90 days)
Additional package - 69300 (91-180 days)
Additional package - 17520 (181-210 days) 

Some types of rooms might be not available.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Morgenst. on February 08, 2015, 07:12:13 AM
that would be ruble yes?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tx1111 on February 09, 2015, 09:52:56 PM
Yes of course.

The exchange rate favors Americans now.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Morgenst. on February 09, 2015, 10:04:48 PM
These prices are great however what's everyone on here saying about being afraid to go to Russia? Is that because of US relations? Would I be safer if I went on my cuban passport rather than an American one?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Overdozer on February 09, 2015, 11:41:39 PM
These prices are great however what's everyone on here saying about being afraid to go to Russia? Is that because of US relations? Would I be safer if I went on my cuban passport rather than an American one?
I see the propaganda machine is working nicely in the US. Yea, dude, if you come here with your American passport, Putin himself will fly to Kurgan with KGB agents by his side, he will find you and execute you with his deadly karate punch and then bury you right underneath the Scientific Center. Better get a new passport and don't forget to wear ushanka and drink a lot of vodka when you cross the Russian border, else you'll be instantly spotted by the FSB .
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Morgenst. on February 10, 2015, 12:17:57 AM
I asked a serious question and I got nothing but sarcasm about comments that I myself didn't make. How helpful exclide! Just so you know I was born in Cuba so I have a Cuban passport and if it makes my time any easier (even so much as going through the airport) to use that instead of my US passport then I'd like to know.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ReadRothbard on February 10, 2015, 06:44:49 AM
These prices are great however what's everyone on here saying about being afraid to go to Russia? Is that because of US relations? Would I be safer if I went on my cuban passport rather than an American one?

You'll be fine. Americans go on business to Russia all the time--it isn't N. Korea.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tx1111 on February 10, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
You'll be fine. Americans go on business to Russia all the time--it isn't N. Korea.

the situation is cknstantly changing and not for the better it appears.

My concern is what if i go over there and th US decides to arm the Ukraine? Then what?  Who can say its gonna be ok?

Propaganda or not, these countries are at odds and I dont find it unreasonable to assume the political situation may affect me in some way.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: greatheight on February 17, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
The politicial situation is worse each day. I like this clinic, but I would be afraid of going there because these issues.
Besides, I also think that the height cap is annoying. Probably I wouldn't be taken by them, which I find very sad. Why do they accept a guy for going from 1.65 to 1.71 and don't accept a guy going from 1.66 to 1.71 or 1.67 to 1.71? I don't find it reasonable. In the late two cases it would be safer to lengthen.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ReadRothbard on February 17, 2015, 05:23:03 PM
the situation is cknstantly changing and not for the better it appears.

My concern is what if i go over there and th US decides to arm the Ukraine? Then what?  Who can say its gonna be ok?

Propaganda or not, these countries are at odds and I dont find it unreasonable to assume the political situation may affect me in some way.

It probably won't. It isn't the Cold War, after all. Yes, things are tense and getting tenser, but it's going to take a lot for both countries to start kicking out each others' citizens.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ItsMyLife on February 17, 2015, 06:56:40 PM
the situation is cknstantly changing and not for the better it appears.

My concern is what if i go over there and th US decides to arm the Ukraine? Then what?  Who can say its gonna be ok?

Propaganda or not, these countries are at odds and I dont find it unreasonable to assume the political situation may affect me in some way.

if America and Russia go to nuclear war, you think you can survive in America? Russia has maneuvering nuclear missiles which can evade ABM systems, has nuclear submarines that are pretty advanced, many Tu bombers, anti-stealth capabilities (forget the B-2 bomber), etc.
that being said, it is as safe in Russia as in America. If there is any comfort, there is a anti-ballistic missile system around Moscow and probably some other parts (I think it is the s300 and s400 system with an ABM radar); furthermore kurgan is so far from Moscow and Ukraine!
of course, the story is different if you are from Europe (but Russia can take out Europe anytime)

who is to say that Moscow or Kurgan or even Volgograd will be affected by a conventional war?
anyone who wages conventional war in Russia, is stupid. PUtin possibly has Asperger's and any slight provocation might mean nuclear war.

Russia's military (conventional) is not very good now, so at a hint of direct confrontation, they have said they will use nuclear weapons (they released this protocol recently); any country which wants to play with doom, should play with Russia.

If ur in Europe maybe ur safer, but Russian Iskander (and possibly nuclear-tipped)missiles are aimed at key NATO installations.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: heightangel on February 28, 2015, 01:09:09 PM
Russia's crisis is extremely grave, not only for the country itself, but for the rest of the European Union. There are geopolitical risks associated with what has happened in Ukraine and what is still happening, and this could affect our future prospects of LL in Russia. I would have chosen Russia if this had not happened, because they are the most experienced in externals.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tallerbetter on March 11, 2015, 11:53:43 PM
Russia's crisis is extremely grave, not only for the country itself, but for the rest of the European Union. There are geopolitical risks associated with what has happened in Ukraine and what is still happening, and this could affect our future prospects of LL in Russia. I would have chosen Russia if this had not happened, because they are the most experienced in externals.

I agree, bro. So scary!
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: heightangel on March 12, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
I agree, bro. So scary!

YEah bro. Scary. What would you do to in the middle of a war with your legs broken? Really scary
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: tallerbetter on March 14, 2015, 04:05:13 PM
YEah bro. Scary. What would you do to in the middle of a war with your legs broken? Really scary

That's why I'd never go there with a war going on.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Ueslei Abreu on September 08, 2015, 05:55:43 PM
Here's the response from Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center for Restorative Traumatology and Orthopaedics

At present height increase in our Center possible, if the patient complies with the criteria, indicated in Protocol No1 of July 22, 2013.

1. Starting height less than 165 cm for guys (160 cm - for girls).
2. Disproportion of lower limb segments (evaluated by doctors of the Center).
3. Disproportion of body and limbs (evaluated by doctors of the Center).
4. There is also age limit, 21-40 years, associated with higher risk of osteoporosis, complications related to vascular system and delayed consolidation.
5. The height increase candidates should be in good health and they are required to bring a health report, describing their entire previous medical history, signed by GP.

If you comply with with the above requirements, then height increase is possible at our Center.

Duration of in-patient treatment depends on many factors, including age, amount of lengthening, patient's diligence in following doctor's recommendations, etc.

However, it is not mandatory to stay in the hospital during the entire treatment. It is possible to be discharged from the hospital for out-patient treatment during fixation period (consolidation of the achieve result). In this case duration of hospital stay is reduced (and, of course, the cost). Usually our height increase patients stay in the hospital for the distraction period; then they leave the hospital for out-patient treatment with fixators on; and later it is mandatory to be admitted to the hospital again for a few days for fixator removal.

Motion activity, physical exercise therapy, walking with crutches or sticks, starts from the second day after surgery.
During the entire treatment our patients lead an active lifestyle, almost without limitations.  Our patients start walking without additional means of support in 1.5-2 months after removal of the external fixators.

The cost of our treatment is quite reasonable. It consists of the cost of preoperative examination, cost of surgery (which depends on how complex the surgery is), cost of fixator (which depends on the operated segment and number of parts), cost of accommodation (depends on the type of the room), duration of treatment, mandatory assistance package.

The costs are as follows:
standard preoperative examination (approx. 5000 roubles)
the cost of surgery (which depends on the type of surgery) - either 49400 roubles  (one-level lengthening) or 64200 roubles (two-level lengthening) per surgery (each leg is counted as a separate surgery).
the cost of fixator for one tibia - approx. 17800 roubles (you will need two of them)
the cost of one bed-day in a common room shared by 4-7 patients - 1460 roubles.
mandatory assistance package for 90 days - 117800 roubles (if you stay in the hospital longer - the cost will increase).

If you add all the above costs you will get the total cost of treatment. The cost includes accommodation, standard hospital meals, physical exercise therapy and medications associated with orthopaedic treatment, translator assistance in communication with hospital staff.

You can get additional information from doctor in English over the phone 007 3522 43 06 88.


Best regards,
Dr.K.I.Novikov, MD
Head of the orthopaedic Department No13
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center
"Restorative Traumatology and Orthopaedics""
6, M.Ulianova St., 640014, Kurgan, Russia
Phone: 007 3522 45 47 58
web-site: www.ilizarov.ru
e-mail: n.balayeva@ilizarov.ru (Natalia Balaeva)
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Ueslei Abreu on September 08, 2015, 06:02:41 PM
Sorry but I don't understand:
Acording to my calcs it will cost about 230,000 rublos, but in other time you had sent an email said that it will cost 650,000 rublos.

So what is the right price ?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Ueslei Abreu on September 08, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Sorry but I don't understand:
Acording to my calcs it will cost about 230,000 rublos, but in other time you had sent an email said that it will cost 650,000 rublos.

So what is the right price ?

Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Versatile on December 01, 2015, 05:34:55 AM
Can anyone confirm the pricing?

650,000 rubles would only translate to roughly 10,000 USD.

Even with the sanctions, that sounds way too low for such a surgery.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Versatile on December 01, 2015, 05:39:24 AM
Shuya,

I'm from the states. I'm interested in going... but will have to verify that it's legitimate. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: ub40 on January 14, 2016, 01:14:40 AM
Hi has anyone gone here, I'm definitely interested but no one has responded. The price seems low enough that even if it takes a long time the cost of living isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Ghademan on February 20, 2016, 03:10:42 PM
What the new cost of this center?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Sara2001 on April 28, 2016, 06:52:31 PM
Does anyone has mail address or any other contact for dr Costantin Novikov in Kurgan? He operated me in 1986. and would love very much to get in touch with him. Thanks in advance!!!
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Moubgf on April 28, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
if America and Russia go to nuclear war, you think you can survive in America? Russia has maneuvering nuclear missiles which can evade ABM systems, has nuclear submarines that are pretty advanced, many Tu bombers, anti-stealth capabilities (forget the B-2 bomber), etc.
that being said, it is as safe in Russia as in America. If there is any comfort, there is a anti-ballistic missile system around Moscow and probably some other parts (I think it is the s300 and s400 system with an ABM radar); furthermore kurgan is so far from Moscow and Ukraine!
of course, the story is different if you are from Europe (but Russia can take out Europe anytime)

who is to say that Moscow or Kurgan or even Volgograd will be affected by a conventional war?
anyone who wages conventional war in Russia, is stupid. PUtin possibly has Asperger's and any slight provocation might mean nuclear war.

Russia's military (conventional) is not very good now, so at a hint of direct confrontation, they have said they will use nuclear weapons (they released this protocol recently); any country which wants to play with doom, should play with Russia.

If ur in Europe maybe ur safer, but Russian Iskander (and possibly nuclear-tipped)missiles are aimed at key NATO installations.


No putin has multiple personality disorder from trauma shattering his mind. Look up Mk ultra cia operation. Almost 3 million people in the US is under this perception hypnosis control. And have different personas to bring society down a certain road...yes obama is mind controlled aswell.But this is for another discussion.Russia is safe until 2018.Then you should worry.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: varusilizarov on May 19, 2016, 05:29:44 PM
Hi guys,

Now, I'm in Ilizarov Centre, but not war, not dangerous place. Everyting it's fine..don't worry!

Dr. Konstantine Movikov is now in dept#18. He is the second in list picture http://www.ilizarov.ru/index.php/too-18 (http://www.ilizarov.ru/index.php/too-18)
You can show Dr. Movikov in this video http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ivgy_xl-report-ilizarov-the-art-of-bone_tech (at the end of video when Dr. remove Ilizarov frame to Canadian girl)

Note: I'm here for genu varus correction.

Saludos!
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: LLprime2 on July 13, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
Update:

At Russian Ilizarov Center it is possible to increase your height and correct the deformities at the same time during one stage of treatment. Tentative duration of treatment is 4.5-5 months and it is obligatory to stay 3 month in the hospital, after that you can go back wearing the frame and remove them at home. Within 1 stage of treatment it is possible 5.5-6 cm.

The cost of 1 operation (catgory 1B) is 46 430.00 roubles (you have 2 operations since you have two segments),
the cost of 1 tibial frame is approx 25-30 000.rbls (you have 2),
anesthesia - 5 600.00 rbls x 2;
X-rays - 14 (1 is 500 rbls),
and obligatory international charges 117 800.00 (for the first three months, then - daily calculation),
daily stay in the shared room - 2150 rbls,


Why is it limited to 6 cm? Every leg is different...
The costs are:
2*46430 to operate both legs
2*27500 for two frames
2*5600 anesthesia
14*500 for x-rays
117800 for the first 90 days
x*2150 after 90 days for each day

Total amount: (283860 + x*2150) Ruble = (4737.97 + x*35.89) USD
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: doomsday on July 15, 2017, 10:08:46 AM
is that pure ilizarov, LON or LATN?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: LLprime2 on July 16, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
I didn't ask in the mail if it was ilizarov or other external methods. In my mail I asked how much it would cost using the ilizarov method because I assumed they use that method, and that was the reply I got.

It really is super cheap. Can anyone confirm the price who actually did it there?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: cookie on August 13, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
Sorry, I don't fully understand the criteria. So do you have to have all of the listed criteria to be seen there? Cause I don't have a limb disproportion. I just want to gain some cm.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Dhdhdjuru on August 15, 2017, 04:48:59 AM
My current plan was to get LL done in Italy but the prices in Russia are certainly attractive. Any information on the internal femur lengthening in Russia?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: onemorefoot on August 15, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
My current plan was to get LL done in Italy but the prices in Russia are certainly attractive. Any information on the internal femur lengthening in Russia?
Internal methods are not used there, only external or hybrids.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Dhdhdjuru on August 15, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
I would guess the externals cost much less, although I don't hear many people talking about the externals here.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Overdozer on August 15, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
I would guess the externals cost much less, although I don't hear many people talking about the externals here.
Everyone here is a dollar millionaire, don't forget. Paying the cost of a 911 Porsche for one surgery is ok. Paying the cost of an E-Class Mercedes-Benz for two tubes of metal is totally not a scam. Internals are the best lengthening method period. Not a PR agent btw.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: cookie on August 16, 2017, 10:56:35 PM
but a lot of people report life long knee pain from internals.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: HHHeir on November 11, 2017, 06:26:50 AM
Hello guys Im new here and seriously planning to get this surgery done from this Ilizarov center.
I have sent her(natalia) an email twice but didnt get a reply. does anyone have the updated price??
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: HHHeir on November 15, 2017, 02:14:27 AM
when did you get this update abt price?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on March 02, 2018, 06:16:18 PM
I have just emailed natalie, assuming that's the correct email provided I should be getting some answers back sometime soon.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on March 04, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
Anyone know if Natalie changed her email. I sent it something like 4 days back and yet to get a reply. Have they changed email?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: myloginacct on March 04, 2018, 02:11:51 PM
I think so. The site even got revamped since this thread was posted.

Try one of these:

International Office:
E-mail: inter @ rncvto . ru
Tel: +7 (3522) 45-47-58.
Communication in English, French, German, Japanese

Head Office: office @ rncvto . ru
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on March 05, 2018, 08:18:57 AM
Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia) https://imgur.com/gallery/jfT00

They don't allow anyone over 160cm to lengthen there. I sent them an email and this is what I got back from them this morning.
Title: 俄罗斯 Ilizarov 科学中心 (俄罗斯库尔干)
Post by: Limerence on March 07, 2018, 02:27:59 AM
I am also going to Russia to do tibia, do you think that hospital is better?
Title: 俄罗斯 Ilizarov 科学中心 (俄罗斯库尔干)
Post by: Limerence on March 07, 2018, 02:29:34 AM
Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia) https://imgur.com/gallery/jfT00

They don't allow anyone over 160cm to lengthen there. I sent them an email and this is what I got back from them this morning.

I am also going to Russia to do tibia, do you think that hospital is better?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on March 07, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
After emailing them, they dont allow anyone over 160cm to get the surgery done so I'll be sticking with Petersburg, dr. Kulesh and dr. Solomin instead.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: myloginacct on March 16, 2018, 12:44:47 AM
After emailing them, they dont allow anyone over 160cm to get the surgery done so I'll be sticking with Petersburg, dr. Kulesh and dr. Solomin instead.

Which is dumb, because 159cm for a woman is a completely different height than 159cm for a man. But as far as I'm aware, they make no distinction on that.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Android on March 16, 2018, 01:40:00 AM
Which is dumb, because 159cm for a woman is a completely different height than 159cm for a man. But as far as I'm aware, they make no distinction on that.

Agreed. Either they have a strict code of ethics or it's their way of turning people away because they have too many patients as it is. I would prioritize deformity correction over cosmetic patients if I was a doctor and I'm getting paid the same.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on April 26, 2018, 07:34:21 PM
Sent them an email to their both emails  telemed@rncvto.ru, inter@rncvto.ru waiting for their update

Mine is some what emergency hope they will reply soon
Left Leg Femur is  shorter ( 10 CM ) than Right Leg Femur due to a Road Traffic Accident and bone infection and bone removal and no knee bend and Left Hip United Unevenly and Bone non union in right Leg femur and many going on from 2009.

If any one can help me to get a admission it will be soo great
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on April 26, 2018, 11:14:57 PM
Sorry about your situation. I emailed them a few weeks back and they say that they won't perform surgery on you if you are taller than 160cm but in your case since you have an actual problem they will probably allow it, not too sure but good luck with your LL anyway.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on April 28, 2018, 07:51:14 PM
Sorry about your situation. I emailed them a few weeks back and they say that they won't perform surgery on you if you are taller than 160cm but in your case since you have an actual problem they will probably allow it, not too sure but good luck with your LL anyway.


No problem got used to my situation but it is causing more problems so have to go on further for a treatment. Thank you for giving information hope they will reply soon
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on May 08, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
Got a Reply from Dr.V.A.Naritsyn  Head of trauma and orthopedic department No 3, Replied with all the information they asked

Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on May 12, 2018, 05:06:52 AM
Have they replied yet?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on May 12, 2018, 05:51:53 AM
Have they replied yet?

ya got a reply requesting more tests and reports, have to get them all ready and send them
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: HHHeir on June 11, 2018, 12:01:18 AM
I'll be there on 20th June to get my CLL...
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: myloginacc on June 11, 2018, 12:46:01 AM
I'll be there on 20th June to get my CLL...

Good luck, man.

They're the oldest "players" in the "game".
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 11, 2018, 06:03:46 AM
I'll be there on 20th June to get my CLL...


Good Luck HHHeir, I  also sent  them all requested reports and all they asked waiting for  their  reply
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: HHHeir on June 11, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Thanks guys I need that!!
Chen dont worry they all are very helpful hope to see you there.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 12, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
Thanks guys I need that!!
Chen dont worry they all are very helpful hope to see you there.

Thank you HHHeir hope will get a reply from them and we will meet there
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: HHHeir on June 24, 2018, 06:04:27 PM
@Chen I'm in Kurgan now will be admitted this week after my examination hope to see ya soon. tc
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 25, 2018, 04:43:35 AM
@Chen I'm in Kurgan now will be admitted this week after my examination hope to see ya soon. tc

@HHHeir I'm still waiting for an update from Natalia Balaeva replied to their email with all the details they asked on June 2nd hope they will reply soon. All the best for your treatment hope we will meet soon as soon as i get an update from them.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: myloginacc on June 25, 2018, 08:53:12 AM
@HHHeir I'm still waiting for an update from Natalia Balaeva replied to their email with all the details they asked on June 2nd hope they will reply soon. All the best for your treatment hope we will meet soon as soon as i get an update from them.

Hmm, it's been a while. Do they normally take this long to respond?
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Tiger9898 on June 25, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
Hmm, it's been a while. Do they normally take this long to respond?
They actually responded me within 2_3 days
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 26, 2018, 07:42:49 AM
Hmm, it's been a while. Do they normally take this long to respond?

For me first reply i got in 15 days and second one in 3 days now waiting for the third reply hope they will reply soon
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: HHHeir on June 26, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
I normally get a reply within a day or following day. she is very quick to respond.
Chen you should email her again.
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 27, 2018, 03:41:41 AM
I normally get a reply within a day or following day. she is very quick to respond.
Chen you should email her again.

HHHeir requested her for an update hope will get it soon Thank you
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 27, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
Got a reply from Natalia Balaeva that Your information is being reviewed by the head of the admission department. After she gives a reply it will be forwarded to you.
will be waiting for an update
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: chen on June 29, 2018, 03:03:07 AM
They rejected mine due to some high-risk complications
Title: Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
Post by: Hamiltonzac on October 22, 2018, 10:59:34 PM
Generally I think it is safe to say that if you want them to take you seriously you must see them in person. Imagine how many people are sending them emails about wanting to lengthen when merely 10% of them actually do it.