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Title: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 22, 2019, 08:10:40 PM
Hi guys,

I have lengthened my tibias in 2014 with Dr. Barinov going from 163.5 cm to 171.5 cm.
This year i want to lengthen my femurs with Dr. Betz.

Actual height: 171.5 cm
Target: 11 cm (182.5 cm)
Age: 32

Consultation date is 19th September 2019. Operation is planned for end of October/beginning of November (not confirmed by Dr. Betz yet).

I will keep you updated guys.

Let's get this done :)
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: wangchaoan on August 22, 2019, 10:24:56 PM
SOFA.
hi, mate,
Are you male or female?
What's your wingspan length?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 22, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
Hi,

I am male. Never measured my wingspan, dont know about that.

Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: increase on August 22, 2019, 11:47:18 PM

hello jfk

How much is the total cost for surgery with Doctor Betz?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 23, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
Hi,

it is 52 000 € for the operation and two weeks of stay in the clinic.
I will get this confirmed in the consultation though.

Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: 177cmm on August 23, 2019, 10:55:39 AM
its gonna be disaster ,good luck with handling ur stupidity.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 23, 2019, 11:23:54 AM
thanks for your encouraging words :D
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Tomhard on August 23, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
One thing is clear. You need to be ready to be ready to go trough this for about 1 year mate. It might take you even longer to recover from that, cause youre not the youngest anymore.
But its possible
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Jubartt169 on August 23, 2019, 04:04:17 PM
you are really encouraged to fk up your legs, good luck
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 23, 2019, 05:40:16 PM
Another newbie trying to tell the guy who already did LL what he can or can not do.
Do you also have some tips for Dr. Betz how he should do the operation ? :D
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 23, 2019, 05:41:20 PM
One thing is clear. You need to be ready to be ready to go trough this for about 1 year mate. It might take you even longer to recover from that, cause youre not the youngest anymore.
But its possible

Thanks mate for your comment. I understand that it will be difficult and it will take a lot of patience and willpower.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: wangchaoan on August 23, 2019, 07:41:38 PM
A good finnal outcome is consist of 30% of Dr. Betz's operation and 70% of your following commitments. And yes, it's true that this whole process of gaining a few cms is gonna take time longer than your expectation.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Tomhard on August 23, 2019, 08:38:42 PM
Yep it will take a long time, I‘m about 6 months post OP and 10 weeks consolidation and still on crutches. I did 10cm and it will
take me the rest of the year , until I‘ll be somehow normal again. I‘m pretty tired of everything, it feels like it wont end, but I try to stay positive
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: wangchaoan on August 24, 2019, 12:00:26 AM
I completely threw away crutches like 4 months after operation, including walking, going upstairs/downstairs, squating. But I just go for 5.2cm. As for 10cm, it seems to take at least double the time to get that result.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Tomhard on August 24, 2019, 01:14:31 AM
I completely threw away crutches like 4 months after operation, including walking, going upstairs/downstairs, squating. But I just go for 5.2cm. As for 10cm, it seems to take at least double the time to get that result.

I will try to ditch my crutch in 1,5 months, thats about 4months in consolidation and 8 months post OP. I think I should be walking without crutches or I hope so
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Canon on August 24, 2019, 07:02:10 AM
There is a German model who did ll with betz and now lives and workes normally.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 24, 2019, 01:00:14 PM
I will try to ditch my crutch in 1,5 months, thats about 4months in consolidation and 8 months post OP. I think I should be walking without crutches or I hope so

So 8 months for 10 cm. That sounds good to me! Keep up the good work :)
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: PANDA:BEAR.. on August 24, 2019, 01:20:02 PM
There is a German model who did ll with betz and now lives and workes normally.

Which model is that ? Can you share the link please
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on August 24, 2019, 05:16:50 PM
So Dr. Betz charges 500 € for the consultation. X-Rays that will be done is included. I guess I have to pay directly after the consultation but we will see...
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: miumiu145 on August 24, 2019, 07:27:26 PM
I would like to know that info. too,
Please share with us, Thank you:)
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Tomhard on August 24, 2019, 08:05:31 PM
So Dr. Betz charges 500 € for the consultation. X-Rays that will be done is included. I guess I have to pay directly after the consultation but we will see...

I had to pay 500€ directly after consultation
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: whyme on September 01, 2019, 08:11:46 AM
Is there any upper limit for internal femur..I read somewhere that some doc's allow only 7,5 but you mentioned 10 cm.

Thanks
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Iron_Man on September 01, 2019, 10:15:25 AM
Hello! First of all, I wish you good luck in this difficult way to achieving your dream.
But it’s hard for me to imagine how a man will look after lengthening his legs by 19 cm. For example, when I lengthen my legs in the photo by 10-11 cm, my torso and arms seem short. Only in clothes it was almost imperceptible.
Are you going to lengthen your arms after that?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on September 01, 2019, 01:38:31 PM
Is there any upper limit for internal femur..I read somewhere that some doc's allow only 7,5 but you mentioned 10 cm.

Thanks

Dr. Betz says you can go up to 12 cms with femurs. But i think technically there is even more possible. The limit is your body, your attitude towards proportions, pain and time restrictions.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on September 01, 2019, 01:43:01 PM
Hello! First of all, I wish you good luck in this difficult way to achieving your dream.
But it’s hard for me to imagine how a man will look after lengthening his legs by 19 cm. For example, when I lengthen my legs in the photo by 10-11 cm, my torso and arms seem short. Only in clothes it was almost imperceptible.
Are you going to lengthen your arms after that?

Well I do not care much about proportions. But I will check in the mirror with every centimeter gained and can decide to stop anytime. No l will not lengthen arms.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Rob.87 on September 01, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
Hi mate, its seems to me that Dr Betz and Dr Guichet are the best choice, but also high cost. Can you recommend any other good Dr but for half the price?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: whyme on September 02, 2019, 12:55:44 PM
Dr. Betz says you can go up to 12 cms with femurs. But i think technically there is even more possible.
The limit is your body, your attitude towards proportions, pain and time restrictions.

Ok thanks jfk.
But some doctors stop after max of 7.5 cm at one go on femur. Is it because of body limitations?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on September 02, 2019, 03:08:49 PM
Dont be greedy man. Your center of gravity will bbe changed. I think 180 cm is the good one that you should consider
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on September 02, 2019, 05:03:45 PM
Ok thanks jfk.
But some doctors stop after max of 7.5 cm at one go on femur. Is it because of body limitations?

The more you lengthen, the more damage you do to your body. Some doctors limit the maximum amount as they say that more centimeters damages your body too much or because of proportion reasons. Some nails also have a maximum amount they can lengthen.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on September 02, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
Hi mate, its seems to me that Dr Betz and Dr Guichet are the best choice, but also high cost. Can you recommend any other good Dr but for half the price?

Hi,

well I did 8 cm with Dr. Barinov which cost me 20 000 € in total. I can not speak for other doctors as I did not experience first hand. But do your research on all doctors and get as much information as you can before you decide. Sometimes waiting and saving more money is the better option.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on September 02, 2019, 05:10:54 PM
Dont be greedy man. Your center of gravity will bbe changed. I think 180 cm is the good one that you should consider

Thanks man. Yes I will see how my body feels, if I have difficult complications and probably also consider proportions if I look too strange...180 cm is absolut minimum though!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Tomhard on September 02, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
Hey jfk, may I ask you how long you needed to recover your tibia to walking like normal?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on September 03, 2019, 05:46:03 PM
Hey jfk, may I ask you how long you needed to recover your tibia to walking like normal?

Hi, 10 months from operation to walking normal.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on October 05, 2019, 01:24:01 PM
So I had my consultation with Dr. Betz:

- First you get measured (height, wingspan...)
- then you pay 500 euros
- Then they take x-Rays
- Then they simulate the new height and show you
- Then you talk to current patients
- Then you talk to Dr. Betz and he answers any questions you have

Everything went fine. I have planned my operation for 25th of October.
Dr. Betz recommends 10 cm for me.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Tomhard on October 05, 2019, 01:40:46 PM
which nail diameter will you get ?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on October 05, 2019, 02:29:11 PM
which nail diameter will you get ?

It looks like he will use 13 mm. But he will decide finally during the operation.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 07, 2019, 05:09:05 PM
1.4 cm

So I had my operation on 25th of October 2019. First day was hard with pain and low blood pressure. Second and third day was much better. I started clicking on 30th October and reached 1.4 cm today (5 mm initial operation gap).

Clicking: I do 20 clicks a day. Clicking is a little difficult. The first day my roommate who did 12 cm on femurs with Dr. Betz did the clicking for me. That helped me a lot to see how I have to bend my legs to get the click (every leg is different). After that I did it myself. It took me about 45 minutes for clicking. I am down to 25 minutes now. They say it gets better in time. Before clicking I take a painkiller, get on the bike for 10 minutes to loosen up the soft tissues.

Costs: about 52 000 € for the operation (medication and staying in clinic) plus 600 Euros for medication (for whole lengthening phase) plus 550 Euros for consultation plus flight costs (for me little because I came by train).

Clinic: Is very nice, you get to choose from different foods. It is clean and very comfortable. People are very nice. Sisters are a bit annoying as they wake you up every hour because they want to measure your blood pressure, or there is someone coming for cleaning etc. They could reduce this. But that is just a sidenote.

Doctor: Dr. Betz comes in almost every day (also on weekends) and responds also quickly via Whatsapp. Is very nice, helpful and an expert in his area.

Pain: Well is there most of the time, but is handable with pain medication. It is not a sharp pain, but a pulsing moderate pain. Still hard to fall asleep with that pain. I get 5-7 hours of sleep though.

Walking: First day could not walk. Second day used the walker. Third day used crutches. On tenth day I walked without crutches. Pretty normal walking. I try to keep it up but it is hard due to lengthening and pain.

So far it is a good experience. It is not easy but far from impossible.

Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Polski on November 08, 2019, 03:36:18 AM
Wow walking after 10 days. I also planing to do my surgery by Dr.betz. What do you think is a realistic time to go back to work in office or sth.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: atron on November 08, 2019, 11:31:25 AM
good job man،my consutlation  is on 15th november and surgery on 18th novamber , maybe can see u there .good luck
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 08, 2019, 01:03:01 PM
Wow walking after 10 days. I also planing to do my surgery by Dr.betz. What do you think is a realistic time to go back to work in office or sth.

I think it is possible to go back to work after 2-3 weeks. My former roommate has just done that. You should just not sit but stand during work. Much sitting will cause a lot of stiffness and pain. Also driving after 2 weeks is possible. But I would recommend to do home office for at least 6 weeks after operation (that is what i will do).But if you are really want to go to work after 2 weeks it is definitely possible. Dont forget to use crutches when your outside. If you fall you could break a screw or nail...
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 08, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
good job man،my consutlation  is on 15th november and surgery on 18th novamber , maybe can see u there .good luck

Thank you and good luck for you too!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 08, 2019, 01:13:40 PM
1.5 cm

With femur lengthening I see three main obstacles:

1. Duckass

You have to stretch your quadriceps from day two after operation. This is probably the hardest enemy you will face. I work on it as much as I can. It is very hard to get rid of duckass I have been told.

2. Wide legs

You have to stretch your IT bands from day two after surgery. I am at 1.5 cm and already have problems to not walk with wide legs. The IT bands are already very stiff.

3. Penguin walking

You will notice that if you walk without crutches that the upper body sways to the left and right. To avoid that you have to walk as much as you can without crutches and focus on not swaying. This will put a lot of pressure on some muscles. But if you work hard it is possible to avoid. You just have to work on it.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 08, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
Physiotherapy:

Physiotherapy at the clinic is crap. It is only half an hour a day (not on weekends and national holidays) and you do just 2 exercises per leg. This is really bad. If you just rely on clinic physiotherapy you will struggle. In my opinion you have to do a lot of stretching by yourself.

In my tibia lengthening I made the mistake to walk 90 percent of the time and stretching 10 percent. That resulted in big problems later on. Now I do 90 percent stretching, 10 percent walking. Stretching is much more important than walking (in the lengthening phase).
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: atron on November 08, 2019, 02:47:17 PM
do u know how much is the Elke house for each night and what things contain?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: PANDA:BEAR.. on November 08, 2019, 07:01:24 PM
Physiotherapy:

Physiotherapy at the clinic is crap. It is only half an hour a day (not on weekends and national holidays) and you do just 2 exercises per leg. This is really bad. If you just rely on clinic physiotherapy you will struggle. In my opinion you have to do a lot of stretching by yourself.

In my tibia lengthening I made the mistake to walk 90 percent of the time and stretching 10 percent. That resulted in big problems later on. Now I do 90 percent stretching, 10 percent walking. Stretching is much more important than walking (in the lengthening phase).

What resulted big problems after doing 90 percent walking and 10 percent stretching?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 09, 2019, 11:22:53 AM
What resulted big problems after doing 90 percent walking and 10 percent stretching?

I had knee bending and ballerina foot because I did not enough stretching.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 09, 2019, 11:24:21 AM
do u know how much is the Elke house for each night and what things contain?

It is 80 Euros per day, 3 meals a day and a room is included. I have not been there, so for more details just contact Dr. Betz Email address.
I think this is too expensive.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Siegfried on November 09, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
Awesome jfk, Keep up the good work and keep us update:)
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Canon on November 11, 2019, 07:27:25 PM
Any update?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 11, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
Any update?

1.8 cm

Everything goes good. I need 20 minutes for clicking now. I have learnt to not bend the knee so much when clicking. Makes it much easier. Puts less pressure on your muscles -> less pain -> faster.

Have stiffness on the IT bands. So no duckass/stiffness on quadriceps yet. I work on IT bands now a lot. No problems yet. I can not feel the height increase. Walking looks 90 % percent normal.

lymphatic drainage: You get this everyday in the clinic. Is a waste of time if you ask me. At least the way the ladies are doing it. It is just a very bad massage. They should fire these ladies and fire the physiotherapists also.

Medication: I take tramal, tizanidin, xarelto, magnesium, calcium, novalgin and some other stuff...Novalgin works the best for me.

Lengthening 1 mm a day sounds a lot but it appears like slow motion for me. I guess I will stick to it for now although I am sure I could handle at least 1.25 mm. But I will listen to the doctor and stick with it.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 11, 2019, 09:55:35 PM
Awesome jfk, Keep up the good work and keep us update:)

Thanks man!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Ghostfish on November 12, 2019, 12:16:31 AM
Hey jfk
I am glad that everything is going well with you. I understand you may feel you can handle more than 1 mm as almost all every other patient would feel at the beginning of lengthening.  But you will feel tightness soon pretty much all of sudden.  You have to prepare for that from now on.  Stretch a lot and walk or stand as much as you can. 
One thing I just want to tell you is that I really hope you lower down your goal from 11cm to somewhere 7-8 cm.
Wish you the best of luck!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 12, 2019, 12:51:23 AM
Hey jfk
I am glad that everything is going well with you. I understand you may feel you can handle more than 1 mm as almost all every other patient would feel at the beginning of lengthening.  But you will feel tightness soon pretty much all of sudden.  You have to prepare for that from now on.  Stretch a lot and walk or stand as much as you can. 
One thing I just want to tell you is that I really hope you lower down your goal from 11cm to somewhere 7-8 cm.
Wish you the best of luck!

Hey Ghostfish,

thank you very much for your words. I take them very seriously and I am happy for that because this kind of feedback helps me to make the right decisions along the way. I will not do more than 1 mm a day and I will go on stretching hard every day. Also I will not go beyond 10 cm for sure. Lets see how I feel when I reach 7-8 cm and decide from there.

Anyway thank you for taking time to write to me and thanks for your wishes!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: nomad13 on November 12, 2019, 01:21:18 AM
congrats and good luck with your journey jfk
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Ghostfish on November 12, 2019, 05:45:27 AM
Hey Ghostfish,

thank you very much for your words. I take them very seriously and I am happy for that because this kind of feedback helps me to make the right decisions along the way. I will not do more than 1 mm a day and I will go on stretching hard every day. Also I will not go beyond 10 cm for sure. Lets see how I feel when I reach 7-8 cm and decide from there.

Anyway thank you for taking time to write to me and thanks for your wishes!
Sounds great!  Yeah, When I was lengthening, I also was thinking and complaining why I have to do lengthening only 1 mm a day and I could have handled a little more than that.  But then around 4 or so, it really hit me hahaha.  Once it hits you, it is just so hard to go back to normal but instead it is getting worse and worse.  So I am glad you are working hard to stretch and being more cautious.
Good luck!!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Canon on November 14, 2019, 08:29:50 PM
Why don't you goto dr barinov again?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 14, 2019, 10:22:43 PM
Why don't you goto dr barinov again?

Dr. Barinov is an expert with tibias. Thats what he does 99% of the time. Dr. Betz is an expert wirh femurs. That is what he is doing for more than 30 years. You get the idea...
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on November 28, 2019, 07:01:33 PM
3.65 cm

Hey guys,

here a couple of thoughts on the process:

Clicking is a pain in the ***. If you can choose to use a nail without the clicking mechanism you should go for it. It takes so much time and there is some pain involved during and after clicking. At least for me.

I went from 1 mm to 1.3 mm per day because I am limited with time (have to go to work as soon as possible). This is against the doctors advice (0.7 mm recommended from 3 cm on)

You can not work in the lengthening phase (not even from home). I get bad sleep. Maybe 4-5 hours a night and in the mornings I am very tired. And in the daytime there is also pain.

Milestones:

8th December: 5 cm
22th December: 7 cm
7th of January 2020: 9 cm
14th of January 2020: 10 cm -> 182 cm

I developed some knee pain so I bandage my knees. I do not go to a physiotherapist but do the stretching by myself.
Until now it is only the IT bands which are very stiff. So no quadriceps or hamstrings and no duckass but some wide legs.

But in general I feel good. I guess the hardest part is still in front of me.

Well the harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: BetzLandLiberator on November 29, 2019, 01:43:16 AM
3.65 cm
I went from 1 mm to 1.3 mm per day because I am limited with time (have to go to work as soon as possible). This is against the doctors advice (0.7 mm recommended from 3 cm on)

Dude, don't do that. That's stupid. You're gonna regret and probably will have a very bad consolidation and recovery.
Follow Dr. Betz advise.

Trust me, I know. I did 10mm with the old Betzbone.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Siegfried on November 29, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
Why is it Not possible to work from Home? Lack of concentration due to pain?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: KiloKAHN on November 30, 2019, 12:11:19 AM
Why is it Not possible to work from Home? Lack of concentration due to pain?

It's not impossible, but the lengthening phase is very exhausting just staying in bed and even simple things like playing video games often take a lot of effort. Some days you'll feel okay, others you'll feel like crap and have a lot of pain from the slightest movement. Your will to do any sort of work will be lowered and it's something that will take a lot of effort, especially if you're expected to do anything on any sort of deadline.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on December 03, 2019, 02:47:32 PM
Dude, don't do that. That's stupid. You're gonna regret and probably will have a very bad consolidation and recovery.
Follow Dr. Betz advise.

Trust me, I know. I did 10mm with the old Betzbone.

Thanks mate for your kind words. You are right, I have contacted Dr. Betz about it and he said it is a high risk the bones to not heal at all if I go over 1 mm a day. So I went back to 1 mm a day instead of 1,3 mm.

Another question: At what amount of centimeters did you get duckass and how did you fight it?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: BoneStretching on December 05, 2019, 02:30:48 AM
@ Wanttaller and other Gents,

I just completed a  7.7cm Femur lengthening, and walking 3.5 months post op. I do have some work to do on my gait of course,but hope to be full speed (close to) by months 6.

Why are the members of this post suggesting such long healing periods for this gentleman? Is it because he has already lengthened his tibs?

btw, wishing this gentleman the best of luck.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: hanshi on December 05, 2019, 10:49:47 AM
@ Wanttaller and other Gents,

I just completed a  7.7cm Femur lengthening, and walking 3.5 months post op. I do have some work to do on my gait of course,but hope to be full speed (close to) by months 6.

Why are the members of this post suggesting such long healing periods for this gentleman? Is it because he has already lengthened his tibs?

btw, wishing this gentleman the best of luck.
The answer is very simple: the clicking nails are mechanically unstable due to their working principle. As a result bone consolidation takes longer and the risk of delayed or nonunion is much higher than with Precice.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: BoneStretching on December 05, 2019, 11:27:37 PM
Hanshi, thank you for your input.

Everyone - regardless of what method you go with, I just said a prayer for all of our success. God speed.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on January 10, 2020, 11:21:40 AM
Happy new year! Would you be willing to share a full body pic (clothed and without your face shown) for the sake of showing proportions after everything is done? You would have lengthened 18,5 cm with a starting height of 163,5 if your goal was met. Yet here I am, wondering if 4 cm on femurs would mess up my proportions too much. Since you said you don't worry about proportions, perhaps you would be less hesitant to do so, and it could be useful for other users.

Also curious why 180 is your stated minimum? Is 178 not already a respectable height, especially considering your starting height? Are the 2 cm worth the increased risks?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 10, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
Happy new year! Would you be willing to share a full body pic (clothed and without your face shown) for the sake of showing proportions after everything is done? You would have lengthened 18,5 cm with a starting height of 163,5 if your goal was met. Yet here I am, wondering if 4 cm on femurs would mess up my proportions too much. Since you said you don't worry about proportions, perhaps you would be less hesitant to do so, and it could be useful for other users.

Also curious why 180 is your stated minimum? Is 178 not already a respectable height, especially considering your starting height? Are the 2 cm worth the increased risks?

Hi

I will stop at 8,5 cm as my Body Tells me to do so.
But Sure, I will upload a pic. And I wanted at least to be in the 1.80 league. It is already a shame that I only reached an average german height with TWO procedures! All the time, pain and Money and in the end I am average? Its embarrassing tbh. And Nobody in the real world cares about proportions. Everybody cares about height. Just 4 cms is not worth the hassle and will not change much imo.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on January 10, 2020, 05:57:08 PM
4 cm can get you across 20% of the entire height percentile range, which can be seen as significant. But I do understand the perspective that it's not much of a difference, too.

Regarding Germany, millions of peope there live totally fine being below average. I think you will live a very normal life as long as you're within 1 standard deviation of the mean. But that's just my perspective.

Be sure to keep us updated.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 17, 2020, 12:08:26 AM
8.5 cm -> 180 cm

So I stopped lengthening on 13th of January. It took me about 2.5 months for 8.5 cm. I lengthened pretty fast that is why I had to take a lot of pain but I just wanted to get over the lengthening phase. I feel like the worst part is already over :) Now I have to stretch everyday and to wait...

I could not reach my initial goal of 10 cm because of the bad condition I was in (mentally and physically). But I reached my minimal goal of being 180 cm. So overall I am very happy :)

I have bad knee bending and a little duckass. It has just been a couple of days since stopping lengthening but I already can feel the difference in pain.
I have less pain in the day and also at night. Sleeping is still bad. I take sleeping pills now.

I have taken x-rays and sent them to Dr. Betz. Lets see what he thinks.

The goal always was: Walking normally 6 months after the operation. I think I can do that. Still have 3.5 months left for that.

I am not going to work yet. I will not work for at least another 2 months. I want to feel good before I go to work.

Well the lengthening phase was very hard and I had a lot of bad days. This procedure is very challenging. You have to be mentally very strong.
But if you want someting bad enough you will find a way to go through with it.

I hope I get better every week now...
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: massco on January 17, 2020, 01:05:17 AM
Hey JFK

Congratulations on this lenghtening, my height is pretty much the same as your starting height. (163)
I would really appreciate if you could share with us a photo of your final proportions.
As others said no need to show the face, really just want to see the torso vs legs ratio if you dont mind. I would love to reach 180 as well.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 17, 2020, 02:14:31 AM
Hey JFK

Congratulations on this lenghtening, my height is pretty much the same as your starting height. (163)
I would really appreciate if you could share with us a photo of your final proportions.
As others said no need to show the face, really just want to see the torso vs legs ratio if you dont mind. I would love to reach 180 as well.

Hey massco

Thanks man! I will Post a Photo in the next days for you to See.
If you want to be 180 cm you can do it! Dont let anyone tell you, you cant do something. I know exactly how it is being your height. Fight for your Dream! You‘ll get there



Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 17, 2020, 02:20:11 AM
I just checked my first Post in this Diary. I said that my goal was 11 cm. Must have been on drugs back then 😂
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Movie on January 17, 2020, 07:58:14 AM
I'd also like to see how you look now bro lol, congrats on the 8.5 cms yeah 11 cm was very optimistic, specially as a second LL journey lmao.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 30, 2020, 09:14:23 PM
I have a picture of me now. This is me with about 16.5 cm of lengthening. Note that I can not stand fully straight.

https://imgur.com/a/kobwm8p
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 30, 2020, 09:39:13 PM
ok I tried to upload but it does not work...if someone can do it I will send the picture to him
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: PinkStarburst on January 30, 2020, 10:10:26 PM
The photo works now! You look great, did you have very short legs before??
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Siegfried on January 30, 2020, 10:52:17 PM
Looks perfectlly Fine to me! Whats your wingspan?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: OverSixFeetTall on January 31, 2020, 10:39:34 AM
Whhhaaat

5’4 to 5’7

Now 5’7 to 5’11

What’s your wing span?

I’m about 5’9 and plan to hit 6’0 in the future, with a wingspan of about 5’9

I might consider 6’1, but 6’0 foot tall will likely satisfy me since I don’t want to tightening my muscles since I do lots of thai boxing.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Meck on January 31, 2020, 08:21:27 PM
We are start same height i also about 163 start. I did femur and now im 171cm,  reach 8 cm and i still lenthening i will try 2 more and from 173 i start made tibia to 180.  will not wait until my bone femur heal i think i have power to do now same day when i remove device from femur . Hope mate i will reach also 180 ,thats my goal
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 31, 2020, 11:53:59 PM
Whhhaaat

5’4 to 5’7

Now 5’7 to 5’11

What’s your wing span?

I’m about 5’9 and plan to hit 6’0 in the future, with a wingspan of about 5’9

I might consider 6’1, but 6’0 foot tall will likely satisfy me since I don’t want to tightening my muscles since I do lots of thai boxing.

My wingspan is 167 cm. Yeah you will be fine. Go for it!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on January 31, 2020, 11:58:59 PM
We are start same height i also about 163 start. I did femur and now im 171cm,  reach 8 cm and i still lenthening i will try 2 more and from 173 i start made tibia to 180.  will not wait until my bone femur heal i think i have power to do now same day when i remove device from femur . Hope mate i will reach also 180 ,thats my goal

I totally understand. 171 cm or even 173 cm is just not enough (at least not in a tall country).

Wow well that is determination! Amazing! Dont forget to keep us updated in a diary. Good luck mate!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on February 01, 2020, 12:02:35 AM
The photo works now! You look great, did you have very short legs before??

Thanks mate! Yes definitely had short legs. But even if I was a bit off with proportions I still would have gone for 180 cm. Height over proportions.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on February 01, 2020, 12:06:10 AM
I'd also like to see how you look now bro lol, congrats on the 8.5 cms yeah 11 cm was very optimistic, specially as a second LL journey lmao.

Thanks man! Congratulations also to you! You are an inspiration to all of us! Keep it up:)
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on February 01, 2020, 12:22:16 AM
2 weeks into consolidation

No pain at all since stopping lengthening. I can sleep much better. Not taking any meds anymore.

I am stretching everyday for hours to improve my gait. Just need to be patient now. Can not walk without crutches yet. Have knee bending and little hyperlordosis. Just happy that i am painfree and can see light at the end of the tunnel:)

Measured myself at 180.5 cm. Dont know how accurate that is. Today I walked by my brother who was in shoes (about 170 cm) and I was really towering over him. Felt crazy amazing:)

I dont see that I am that taller when looking in the mirror. Just does not look like 180 cm. But seeing other people is where I notice it and it feels so great:) Have not yet met friends. Will do that when I can walk fine unaided. Hopefully end of March...
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Jamule on February 01, 2020, 09:08:30 AM
Hey jfk ,

Nice to hear that you are doing good. I´m currently Betz patient and at the begin of the lengthening. I´m walking pretty good without crutches at the moment and want to keep that. When at the lengthening (which cm) the pain started and you had to return to use crutches ? Do you think its possbile to avoid that ?

Wish you a great consolidation !
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on February 01, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
Hey jfk ,

Nice to hear that you are doing good. I´m currently Betz patient and at the begin of the lengthening. I´m walking pretty good without crutches at the moment and want to keep that. When at the lengthening (which cm) the pain started and you had to return to use crutches ? Do you think its possbile to avoid that ?

Wish you a great consolidation !

Hi Jamule,

congratulations on starting your journey. I had to use cruthes when I was at about 3 or 4 cm. Yes I think you can do better than me :) Here is what I would do: After the first one or two centimeters going by 1 mm I would slow down to 0, 66 mm for the rest of the journey. This helps in several ways: Less pressure on your soft tissues, less pain, more time for you adapting (Stretching), less time with clicking, almost no risk of nonunion. Then stretch your hamstrings and quadriceps as if your life depends on it !!!

With that I am sure you will do a lot better than me! Wish you strength! Youre in good hands.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: massco on February 02, 2020, 01:43:41 AM
Thanks for the photo, you seem really proportionate.
¿ How do you feel with your torso vs legs ratio ?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Meck on February 02, 2020, 10:13:44 AM
I also measured my wingspan and is 176cm but my first height is 163, so i have only small legs, i think femur and tibia to 180cm will be very nice for me
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on March 09, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
4.5 months since operation/ Almost 2 months into consolidation

So I am walking unaided since the 4 months mark. I have some swaying and can not walk as fast as normal people but still it is a huge step forward.
I hope to be walking normal at the 6 month mark. I feel stronger every week :) I can also sleep normal 8 hours and lay in any position at night.

I have started to work out my upper body to have broader shoulders and an overall broader frame which I think would look good now that I am taller.

I have stopped taking medicine two weeks into consolidation and I take Vitamin D3, Fish oil (omega 3), zinc, Vitamin C and Calcium once a day.

When walking longer distances I get tired very quickly. At about 200 meters I have to stop and take a break. For stairs I still use one crutch.
Duckass is almost gone. I got a little lazy since walking unaided... Never took any professional physiotherapy. I do the stretches on my own at home.

I feel good with my new height. By the way the wife of my brother noticed my new height immediately when standing next to her. I just said that she must be wrong and nothing changed. She does not believe me but I dont care. Actually it is a good feeling because I feel like it DOES make a difference :) She said my new height looks good on me :) I guess other people will also notice then...

I am looking forward to go out and meet new people and also my friends. I will wait until May to do that...I have to be patient now.

Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on March 09, 2020, 11:32:25 PM
I also measured my wingspan and is 176cm but my first height is 163, so i have only small legs, i think femur and tibia to 180cm will be very nice for me

Go for it :)
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Wanderlust on March 20, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
Just curious if you had any issues with the Betz bone? I read conflicting things on it when people compare it to precise.

In your experience was the Betz bone easy to lengthen and any issues with it? I’m interested in the betz bone maybe for tibia given the price compared to stryde.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Movie on March 20, 2020, 06:21:42 PM
jfk I reviewed your picture just today wow bro you look good! legs look proportionate of that of a tall man, and as your upper body you just look like slim, like those tall skinny people, I'm sure once you start getting results from your work outs you'll look amazing, right now you look very good bro. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: jfk on March 30, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
Just curious if you had any issues with the Betz bone? I read conflicting things on it when people compare it to precise.

In your experience was the Betz bone easy to lengthen and any issues with it? I’m interested in the betz bone maybe for tibia given the price compared to stryde.

Hi,

I am very satisfied with The Betz nail. It is weight bearing, stable and Reliable from what I have experienced. BUT: The clicking is very annoying Especially the first few centimeters. If you want 8 cm or less you should probably go with Stryde. But if you still choose to go with Betz it is still a good Choice.

Regards
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: massco on April 08, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
Hey JFK how is your recovery doing.
¿Do you have any before ( 163) and after photos?

Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: sickkkkk on April 23, 2020, 02:45:19 AM
Hey jfk how long did full recovery for tibs take with you walking 90% of the time?
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: ghkid2019 on June 02, 2020, 04:05:18 PM
You look really fking good here: https://imgur.com/a/kobwm8p

Literally you look absolutely fine- I would not be able to tell you did a 16cm lengthening. Arms muscle looks good too.

congrats jfk.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Bala on June 05, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
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Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: more on June 28, 2020, 06:26:28 PM
Is betz nail stronger as precice ??
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 18, 2020, 04:41:12 AM
Still one of my favorite diaries. Very good outcome imo. Just wanted to see if we could get an update jfk.

I will never be not amazed by how good that image looks, for a 16cm gain.

Congrats again dude.
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: Body Builder on September 18, 2020, 08:05:38 AM
Is betz nail stronger as precice ??
Betz nail is an overpriced obsolete mechanical crap compared to Stryde.
However, it is full weight bearing too so lets say it is similar to Stryde in terms of that.

JFK looks absolutely stunning with 2 so massive LLs. I could never think an 1.63 man would have looked so good with 2 LLs. Very well dude!
Title: Re: Second Leg lengthening: Femurs with Dr. Betz
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 18, 2020, 09:55:08 PM
My wingspan is 167 cm. Yeah you will be fine. Go for it!

Wow, congrats! Your arms don’t look short at all compared to your legs, so I’m really surprised to read that your wingspan is 167 cm. Your femurs look a bit long, though, but I guess that’s just me (I’m a bit of a proportion freak when it comes to femur:tibia ratios). Again, congrats!