Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: BoneStretching on October 19, 2019, 09:01:03 PM
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Hello LLers,
So I wanted to jump on these boards, to share my experience, and also gain your feedback/support to get through this "journey".
I had my operation on August 15th, with Dr. Mahboubian, and I am on my third month of the distraction phase. I am currently at 5.5 CM. I will follow up this post with my first 2 months experience, but for now, I will pick up where I am at (Month 3).
My stats:
sxx: Male
Height: 5ft 1.25 inches
Goal Height: 5ft 4.25+
Career: Entrepreneur - Owner of a successful, self sustaining company, which allows me to take time off and get this done without skipping a beat.
LL Doctor: Dr. Mahboubian located in North Hollywood. I live about 1.5 hours away, so choosing this doctor allowed be to keep surgery and post care local. In addition, of the doctors I had researched on this board, and online, this surgeon seemed to render very successful results. Finally, his response times are same day over email, and text. That was an extremely important factor for me. I did not want to go through this process, without close care, step by step.
PT Plan:3 Times per week with a local Physical Therapy Office. Top reviews on YELP, very happy with these guys. All other days, I stretch all leg muscles 3 times per day, and walk every 30 minutes to an hour to keep legs loose as possible.
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Diary entry One:
As mentioned, I will start today's post with Month 3, but will take time to post the first 2 months in a follow up entry here soon.
I have currently reached 5.5CM, which means I am just about 1 inch+ away from my goal. This is a great mile stone. I completed, my most recent checkup yesterday, and my doctor found that all is going well with bone growth, and flexion. Recent bone images are linked below.
https://imgur.com/a/6USgcp7
Question LL Brothers and Sisters:
Even though I have reached this wonderful 2 inch milestone, I have to admit, I am tight and sore. I notice that as I crossed that 2 inch mark, I felt a bit of back sway, and my legs began to get sore/achy again. In fact, I find that in the morning, it seems my legs are so stiff and sore, I prefer using my walker for the first 30 minutes of the day to get them warmed up before I move to my cane, and/or unassisted "duck walking" throughout my apartment. My Questions is: Have any of you experienced this? If yes, I would be gracious to hear your experience about what I should expect as I creep up on the 7.5 to 8CM mark this month. As I am doing this alone in my apartment, any feedback/encouragement is appreciated greatly.
Thank you all, from this point I will begin reporting my daily "feels" and "routine" as we march to the end of distraction, and post recovery phase.
God Speed.
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What's up bonestretching congrats on a successful journey so far, x rays look good bro nicely aligned bones, I also had my surgery with Mahboubian August 1st and I experienced the tightness and constar aches as if my muscles were super sore all the time at around 5 cms too. I'm at 6.6cms now I took a break yesterday I didn't lengthen at all and today I'm not either, I will resume tomorrow and it seems a day break did me a bit good, my right shin is starting to get numb and nerve pains when I stand for a long time or if I'm driving for more than 15 minutes, It's unbareable. I've just been pushing through bro, sleep is worse than it's ever been since 5.5cms I wake up in pain and have to take half a norco to go back to sleep, and just pushing through the pain bro, knowing pain is temporary but the 8cms will be forever. last stretch baby lets get it!
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Thank you Movie,
It is good to know that these symptoms are a common thing at this stage of the journey and it looks like you are nearing completion; Excellent job.
Today was a little better, I found that just staying consistent on getting up and walking around every 30mins to an hour, helped keep me legs warm, and suppressed a lot of the aches and pain. Also, being productive on my computer (paying bills, working on business things, educating myself on life, etc through articles, and youtube) helps me pass time, which is a big one for me as I am alone in my apartment doing this.
As for sleep, I am in the same boat. I literally get about 3 to 4 hours of sleep on a good night, and waking up is a bummer because you feel your wiry legs, tight and sore as you move them around. I can not sleep on my side yet, so repositioning is a no go. The one thing I am trying today, is to force myself to stay awake during the daytime, to maximize my night time sleepiness, we will see how that works out.
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Why are your stats almost identical to InFullStryde?
Even your height is. Very odd...
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Hi BoneStretching
Congrats on your journey to being taller! Yeah, what you have been experiencing is so common for every ller. 5cm is always the milestone. haha The last inch is a tougher one. There is no easy way to pass it through. Stretching as much as you can and reducing lengthening rate will be only important factors to finish this journey. So you can reduce the lengthening rate for a couple of days or even longer, if you feel really tight or painful. Nerve pain in shin or knee is worse than tightness in muscle. However, there is nothing much you can do about it. Just stretch and slow down the rate. You just have to tough it out.
I also couldn't have a good sleep during lengthening. Everyday I slept 2-4 hr at night and took a nap of 1-2 h. I am actually not a good sleeper even before cll, so sleeping was a nightmare at that time. But time just goes by everyday. You will get there, bro! Keep up the good work!
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I agree with ghostfish on that one! Nerve/soft tissue pain in the shin and nerves hits a lot lol, that's the only pain that has made me yell during this LL journey and I'm very pain tolerant
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check your messages .
and did you pick Dr M cuz you live in LA?
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Thank you All,
I appreciate your feed back and encouragement here. I spent the whole night trying to figure out a way to sleep on my side. I failed, but A for effort I guess.
It is good to know this is common and I am not alone on this one. I will continue to stretch consistently, and go on my walks to keep myself limber as possible.
Yesterday I was able to manage a millimeter, and will go for .66 today.
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BoneStretching + Movie - at what distraction (how many cm) did you find your sleep was seriously impacted? Do you think if you stayed "ahead of the pain" by pre-emptively taking painkillers such as Norco, it would help a bit with sleeping through the night?
Thank you both and the other CLLers as well for sharing your journey throughout, it's super helpful!!
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Frankly, my sleep has been affected since day 1. The pain is tough for me most in the AM when my legs are tight, and I have to get moving around, however while in bed, what gets me is the sleep position. For some reason, my brain can not click into sleep mode when sleeping on my back. I dream of the day I can comfortably sleep on my side again lol
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I see. Honestly the lack of sleep is what concerns me the most as my surgery is coming up soon as well. And without adequate sleep I'm a total mess during the day lol
How many hours of sleep a night have you been averaging recently, @BoneStretching?
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Man, I could not relate to you more. I am completely useless through the day without sleep and this is coming from a seasoned 10+ business owner.
Let me tell you this, what has helped me is not fighting it. Nights i can not sleep, I prop up my pillow, I smile, and i turn on some motivational audio books, soft music, this to relax me. Your body will go to sleep when it absolutely needs it. So you may find your self getting that 2 to 4 hours sleep, and through out the day you will nap. When you do nap during the day, dont feel bad, that is the mistake I made initially. Just relax find a play to rest, and give your body rest. When you wake up go at it again, and accept it 100%. once you get past the extraction, you should be heading back to a normal trend of sleeping.
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Thanks BoneStretching, that sounds like some good advice. But what about painkillers like Norco etc and sleep aids like Melatonin etc? Have you tried these and found them useless? Or are you deliberately trying to stay away from them entirely? What about CBD/MJ for sleep? Stuff like this, for example:
https://dosist.com/formula-detail/sleep
(Btw, they also have dosist pens specifically for pain relief with different ratios of THC:CBD than the pen for sleep)
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I think it is a great idea to find the right pain management plan with meds. I have not tried CBD, I have only used Norco and tramadol, which is effective. I switched from Norco to tramadol because tramadol seemed to have less dizziness/ daziness involved, and was still effective on pain.
I have not tried it, but melatonin actually sounds like a great idea to assist. I think half of the challenge is deactivating your thoughts, and melatonin can help with that naturally. I will email the doctor and ask if there are any objections to adding melatonin to the diet. Re: sleep aides like Zzquil etc... my only concern with those is they will make you extra groggy in the AM, and I just cant imagine adding any more mental side effects to this process.
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Thanks for your valuable feedback, BoneStretching. It's much appreciated!!
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I think it is a great idea to find the right pain management plan with meds. I have not tried CBD, I have only used Norco and tramadol, which is effective. I switched from Norco to tramadol because tramadol seemed to have less dizziness/ daziness involved, and was still effective on pain.
I have not tried it, but melatonin actually sounds like a great idea to assist. I think half of the challenge is deactivating your thoughts, and melatonin can help with that naturally. I will email the doctor and ask if there are any objections to adding melatonin to the diet. Re: sleep aides like Zzquil etc... my only concern with those is they will make you extra groggy in the AM, and I just cant imagine adding any more mental side effects to this process.
Thanks for making this diary!
1. If you were not from the area, where do you think you would stay if you wanted to factor in things like cost and safety? I am thinking of just losing 300-400$ extra to have a nice big 55 inch 4k tv to plus my laptop into to make the 90 days easier and then gifting the TV to someone if I'm unable to sell it in time.
2. Do you feel wheelchair accessible places / holding bars by the toilet/bathtub are needed throughout the process?
3. If you were not from LA, how much would you budget for the entire thing to do 8 cm STRYDE femurs with Mahoubian?
4. What times of the year would you recommended doing this? In the fall ? (October)? I heard LA is very hot and dry.
5. What are the biggest things/unexpected costs you wish you knew about before starting this?
Thanks!!!
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Thanks for making this diary!
1. If you were not from the area, where do you think you would stay if you wanted to factor in things like cost and safety? I am thinking of just losing 300-400$ extra to have a nice big 55 inch 4k tv to plus my laptop into to make the 90 days easier and then gifting the TV to someone if I'm unable to sell it in time.
2. Do you feel wheelchair accessible places / holding bars by the toilet/bathtub are needed throughout the process?
3. If you were not from LA, how much would you budget for the entire thing to do 8 cm STRYDE femurs with Mahoubian?
4. What times of the year would you recommended doing this? In the fall ? (October)? I heard LA is very hot and dry.
5. What are the biggest things/unexpected costs you wish you knew about before starting this?
Thanks!!!
Well, I guess a real inexpensive hotel, or a month to month studio apt rental would do. Make sure you have a good AC, so you can control temperatures during this process. You dont want to be uncomfortable.
Also the TV is a great idea - prepare some audio books, and meditation sounds. Use this time not to just grow taller, but also grow as a Man mentally, and spiritually.
Buy some small weights 10 to 15 pounds (light i know), but the idea is to keep your upper body from atrophy, so just simple reps. simple curls, tri extensions, curls etc. Create a schedule that works for you, you want to keep your mind occupied this whole time. Those moments you feel restless, meditate to some sounds in the head phones.
I believe 90 to 100K if i had to budget for living. You will want to make this work on paper first. Draw out the budget on Excel and stick to it.
Honestly California has the best weather in the world. It can get hot in the summer, but nothing a little AC cant fix. If you have the choice, Fall or Spring is ideal, cool and less rain.
What else you should have:
Be sure to buy pads for your toilet seat - Your will need them to go number 2. It will suppress the ache and pains of sitting.
Have a food plan, maybe a food delivery service, like Freshly.com to prep and deliver your meals. Also pack easy foods. Bread, P and J, beans and rice. Protein drinks and bars. Basically, protein and carbs you can whip up with no stress.
Be sure to have some dulcolax handy, when you notice you have not went number 2 in your normal poo cycle, take 1 or 2, so you are not uncomfortable. You will need a walker, some crutches, and a cane. You will start on a walker, when you feel you have enough strength move right away to crutches so you can work your legs.. once you are duck walking without assistance you can switch to a cane to work on your gait, and start walking normal again.
One thing about Dr. M, is if you look at his patient x rays, he is a perfectonist, so you are in good hands. The hard part will be the physical and mental factor. Prepare and think ahead and you will be fine.
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Well, I guess a real inexpensive hotel, or a month to month studio apt rental would do. Make sure you have a good AC, so you can control temperatures during this process. You dont want to be uncomfortable.
Also the TV is a great idea - prepare some audio books, and meditation sounds. Use this time not to just grow taller, but also grow as a Man mentally, and spiritually.
Buy some small weights 10 to 15 pounds (light i know), but the idea is to keep your upper body from atrophy, so just simple reps. simple curls, tri extensions, curls etc. Create a schedule that works for you, you want to keep your mind occupied this whole time. Those moments you feel restless, meditate to some sounds in the head phones.
I believe 90 to 100K if i had to budget for living. You will want to make this work on paper first. Draw out the budget on Excel and stick to it.
Honestly California has the best weather in the world. It can get hot in the summer, but nothing a little AC cant fix. If you have the choice, Fall or Spring is ideal, cool and less rain.
What else you should have:
Be sure to buy pads for your toilet seat - Your will need them to go number 2. It will suppress the ache and pains of sitting.
Have a food plan, maybe a food delivery service, like Freshly.com to prep and deliver your meals. Also pack easy foods. Bread, P and J, beans and rice. Protein drinks and bars. Basically, protein and carbs you can whip up with no stress.
Be sure to have some dulcolax handy, when you notice you have not went number 2 in your normal poo cycle, take 1 or 2, so you are not uncomfortable. You will need a walker, some crutches, and a cane. You will start on a walker, when you feel you have enough strength move right away to crutches so you can work your legs.. once you are duck walking without assistance you can switch to a cane to work on your gait, and start walking normal again.
One thing about Dr. M, is if you look at his patient x rays, he is a perfectonist, so you are in good hands. The hard part will be the physical and mental factor. Prepare and think ahead and you will be fine.
"Be sure to have some dulcolax handy, when you notice you have not went number 2 in your normal poo cycle, take 1 or 2, so you are not uncomfortable"
Is constipation a common problem for people doing LL? I'm curious - like, is there something about this process that eating alot of fiber won't help with constipation?
Thanks!!!!!!!
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this guy TwinMusicon sounds like that one kid CodyDog or something asking irrelevant questions to the actual CCL process
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It is common for pain meds (which you WILL need), to slow bowel movement and cause constipation.
With that said, you should be able to ween off pain meds over the weeks (gauge your self), and move to tyleno. Some however, need pain meds like norco, or tromodol, through out the process. Nothing wrong with this, but you will want to have something handy to help you stay consistent and comfortable. Better safe then sorry (and uncomfortable).
BUT to answer your question - its the pain meds that cause the issue.. fiber and right food will help though, and may alleviate the need for laxatives. Just have them handy just in case.
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Hello LL family,
Current status , almost 6CM
Legs are real tight, which i believe is the source of ache and pain when i walk. still going to PT and stretching 3 times per day. I think I am beginning to fight nature here.
i am starting to tilt forward, no bueno, but PT is working with me on mitigating the situation, and correcting it over time.
Shins are now in full burn, numbness, and ouchie mode. Basically at random times, especially at night, the shins will burn, and a crushing pain will ensue. Can anyone relate? It goes away after a few minutes, and may hit a few more times through the night and day.
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@BoneStretching - thanks for the continued updates!
I know it's easier said than done, but perhaps one way to look at it is the following: from 6 cm to 7 cm, assuming 1mm/day of lengthening, is just 10 days. That's barely more than a week! To 7.5 cm it's just 15 days - that's two weeks and change... if you've made it all the way here, perhaps you can slog it out for just a wee bit longer?
Some people also reduced the pace of lengthening, and even took breaks of 1-2 days to help with pain management during lengthening. Something to consider if you haven't already!
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Thank you JS, I am going for the gold on this one. 7.5 minimum, 8CM if it feels right.
Good, I am amazed by this burning and pain in the shin, came to be as a surprise. I will implement this strategy if it gets too rough. Thank you JS, I will keep the team updated.
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Legs tight and achie, sitting at my PC, searchin for meanin of life on google lol
2 more CM to go...
Someone drop me some workd of inspiration.
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Inspiration: Pain you're my bitch!
2 more CMs to go and that's it baby let's gooo
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Thanks brother
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Bone Stretcher... It's the 4th quarter, the 9th inning, the 11th hour. Finish strong. Based on your current mobility and range of motion, your body was prepared to go the full 3 inches. You've worked so hard these past few months and now its time to capitalize. If I didn't know your current ROM and mobility, I wouldn't recommend that you push; but since I do know..I emphatically exclaim....KEEP GOING!!!!!!!!
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FullStryde aka - The CLL Legend has spoken ::walks off into Sunset::
I shall duck walk through the finish line, and stand tall again.
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FullStryde aka - The CLL Legend has spoken ::walks off into Sunset::
I shall duck walk through the finish line, and stand tall again.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/yCAoGdVUCW5LW/source.gif)
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Team:
This AM woke up with burning pain on and under my knee (upper shin).
Pain killers do not seem to be helping. Just wondering if this is normal par for course for other CLLs?
I am a few days from 6CM.
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Yup I had that too around that time, still do 7.5cms
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I shall proceed...
Movie you make it to 8 yet?
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no bro as of today I'm at 7.5cms
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The both of ya going to Max that nail out. Fine job, gents.
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Ok, I hit 6CM about 10 minutes ago.
With that said, i have 2 more weeks to go assuming I LL at a rate of 3x per day.
Tramodol pain killers are key during this phase, they make the pain bearable.
In addition, i notice that if I stretch hard prior to each LL session, it really makes a difference in the tightness. Stretch Stretch Strech.
Finally, walking, I been doing away with the cane lately and just forcing my self to waddle (i will carry the cane just in case), everwhere I go. I notice this is speeding up strength in my legs, keeping legs loose, and helping with my APT.
God speed guys... 2 more weeks is what I need here.
Peace and love.
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Nice Job, Man. The battle is almost won!
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Ok, I hit 6CM about 10 minutes ago.
With that said, i have 2 more weeks to go assuming I LL at a rate of 3x per day.
Tramodol pain killers are key during this phase, they make the pain bearable.
In addition, i notice that if I stretch hard prior to each LL session, it really makes a difference in the tightness. Stretch Stretch Strech.
Finally, walking, I been doing away with the cane lately and just forcing my self to waddle (i will carry the cane just in case), everwhere I go. I notice this is speeding up strength in my legs, keeping legs loose, and helping with my APT.
God speed guys... 2 more weeks is what I need here.
Peace and love.
If you didn't have family to help you carry your stuff back, what do you feel you would do with it? i'm curious what people usually do when they fly out to North Hollywood. Some stuff I imagine might be a bit heavy and difficult to throw away by oneself.
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My friends..
im pushing over 6CM with 2 full weeks left 14 days.
More words of inspiration, send em my way.
Appreciate it.
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Keep us update, you did the hard work, finishing line is just steps away keep it up !
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Keep us update, you did the hard work, finishing line is just steps away keep it up !
Thank you partner... 1 day at a time at this juncture
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2 more weeks man and this is over. Don't let up; you're in a great spot!
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All just keeping you updated on new things, as I promised during this last month.
As I approach 6.5CM (within 2 days), i notice that my lower back feels weaker, hence pain. I find my self swaying back creating an arch in my back that makes it sore to stand or walk. Also when I sleep now, I have to lay a pillow down to raise my pelvic, or the arch is uncomfortable.
Wanted to see if any one has experienced this, and how you got passed it. Is it normal etc?
Thank you all!
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I always slept with a pillow under my knees to keep my back straight since day 1 after surgery, that's what I'd recommend, I feel the duck ass too and how my lower back get's sore, part of the process. just finish lengthening and stretch as much as you can then during your recovery your muscles will be able to catch up
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Thanks movie .. 1 38am, having one of my classic nights without sleep. When I head back ill give that a shot.
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Hi Bonestreching. Thanks for sharing your journey. May i ask you a question about PT? So the cost dr M charges inlcudes PT, or do we have tonpay it out of your pocket?
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Hi CPL, one of the reasons I chose Dr. M, is because he offers IMO the best rate, while leveraging the best USA medical tech has to offer.
To put it frankly, he is not the most expensive, and he is not the "cheapest" either. Based on my experience watching other LLers, you definitely get what you pay for. Which is why I chose him, you pay for the best.
I chose Mahboubian, because of his history (been in the LL game i think close to 15+ years), and his response time. He replies to my emails same day (even on Sunday), and offers the brass tax, based on what you are experiencing, the risk factors, and recommendations. He will push you to your full potential. What got me as a client, was there was one user on here who considered stopping at 2.5inches, he could have let it go, but instead Dr. M pushed him to go 3. He made that recommendation based on the patients current condition, and knew he would be able, and would benefit by that final .5. One last thing, is there surgery crew are perfectionist, check mine and other x rays on this board, his alignment of the rods are perfect.
PT is not covered, however you get to choose your own PT near you (big +), the PT and him communicate, and to answer your question, insurance covers PT (you only pay co pay, which for me is 30 bucks a session).
Hope this helps!
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All:
I couldnt sleep all night, so i ended up taking a ZZquil at 4am. I couldn't sleep bc my brain would not get tired. I popped a Zqull and woke up 8 hours later.
With that said, woke up , legs are super tight, achie when i walk. I can tell I am going have to fight for this last QTR inch. Goodness gracious.
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All:
I couldnt sleep all night, so i ended up taking a ZZquil at 4am. I couldn't sleep bc my brain would not get tired. I popped a Zqull and woke up 8 hours later.
With that said, woke up , legs are super tight, achie when i walk. I can tell I am going have to fight for this last QTR inch. Goodness gracious.
Once you're through phase 1; it will all be downhill from there. Each week; you'll notice a dramatic improvement, especially after week 2-3 post LL phase is concluded. You're going to be an unstoppable force once this is over and done with and by 2020 you'll be able to really enjoy the fruits of your efforts.
KEEP.GOING.STRONG.
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yeah bro for me definitely the last 1.5 CM's were tough, just gotta push through, no other way ... 2 days post distraction phase already feel a little better
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Final stretch from today to Tuesday.
As of today I am moving to .66 per day as my legs just cant keep up with the 1mm per day any more. Just way to tight, and achie. I am just not that limber tail back striding down the field for 80s yards (like i used to be in my late teens - lol).
Hope to reach my goal by Tuesday (appt with doc on this day).
Its all mental at this stage.
God speed.
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ALL DONE - Doctor measured me out today, and I just about maxed it out.
Now it is time to focus on healing. Doc said callus looks good, and a bone bridge had already formed (GREAT NEWS).
Thank you guy for your support through this process.
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ALL DONE - Doctor measured me out today, and I just about maxed it out.
Now it is time to focus on healing. Doc said callus looks good, and a bone bridge had already formed (GREAT NEWS).
Thank you guy for your support through this process.
Congrats, Bone Stretcher!
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That's wassup bro! congrats
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Amazing outcome! Tons of hard work you deserve it!
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Hello all
I am probably a week out after the lengthening phase, I notice I am able to get around a lot better, but the soreness, aches and pains, have not seemed to subside yet, especially at night (which is actually keeping me awake now).
Can anyone share there experience on when they noticed significant differences and improvements after the LL phase, and also, can you relate to what I am feeling here?
Thanks all
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Hello all
I am probably a week out after the lengthening phase, I notice I am able to get around a lot better, but the soreness, aches and pains, have not seemed to subside yet, especially at night (which is actually keeping me awake now).
Can anyone share there experience on when they noticed significant differences and improvements after the LL phase, and also, can you relate to what I am feeling here?
Thanks all
Hi Bones,
You will start to see dramatic differences begin to unfold at about week 3 and 4 post lengthening. In the first couple of weeks; you will notice small baby-step improvements but you're still going to endure some of the inertia kind of pain from the CLL process that your legs have just undergone. Hang in there; you're already 1 week post lenthening. Just wait until you hit week 2 and 3.
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Hello all
I am probably a week out after the lengthening phase, I notice I am able to get around a lot better, but the soreness, aches and pains, have not seemed to subside yet, especially at night (which is actually keeping me awake now).
Can anyone share there experience on when they noticed significant differences and improvements after the LL phase, and also, can you relate to what I am feeling here?
Thanks all
Super interested in your recovery post lengthening! Good luck!
@IFS: do you think it’s far-fetched to be back to 80% normality in a month post-distraction?
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@ EZ - you have to be nearing the end of your distraction. How are you feeling partner?
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@ EZ - you have to be nearing the end of your distraction. How are you feeling partner?
I’m 6 days away from finishing up, thank god. I’m tight as can be, but other than that it’s as smooth as ever!
Hopefully your walking in no time brotha!
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Super interested in your recovery post lengthening! Good luck!
@IFS: do you think it’s far-fetched to be back to 80% normality in a month post-distraction?
Hi EZ,
I think it's very possible to be walking 75% or better in 1 month post distraction. In my case, it took about 2 months for me to reach that 80-90% normal walking mark. For me, it was month 6 and 7 where I really started to feel comfortable.
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Finalize week 2 of the post LL process.
It is interesting, I do notice I am walking more freely, without the sharp pains, however 2 weeks after I notice more of light dull, achie pain.
Sure it is just bc i am super tight. Any ways... will keep on with the PT, and exercises I hear once you hit the 1 month after mark you really notice the difference. Awaiting that time.
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Where in general are you most tight?
Has it gotten better in that area/areas post lengthening?
Wishing u the best bro. Those achie pains are just going to fade away slowly as you put your body thru more wear and tear by walking, everyday life, etc. wishing u the best!
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Hey EZ -
So for me it is the quads ... especially around the upper knee. It is also pulling me into a pelvic tilt, which is fading, but a pain in the ass and back literally.
Thank you for the encouragement bro. I guess you, I , and movie will be coming out of this journey around the same time (give or take a few weeks).
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Today was a tough one for me due to lack of sleep.
I woke up at 3pm. I guess it will be a late night for me.
Hope everyone is doing great!
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I believe I am in the patience part of my recovery.
I think it comes to expect that as a 38 year old you are not going to heal like a guy in his early 20s.
Right now I am walking around everywhere, which is good. They are choppy tight steps, but they are steps.
What I find now, is a lot of achieness in my lower back, pelvic, knees, and legs in general.
This part takes patience. When you finish the distraction phase you just want to heal, but I realize now that this phase is just as important and requires just as much patience as phase 1.
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totaly bro, I relate. but yeah man It's going to take time and that's ok, at least we are already done with the tough part lol.
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AyMayun my brother...
#NeverForget the bone stretching phase lol (Tips a 40 for all my LL homies currently in that distraction phase).
Thanks for the positive vibes this AM movie, much needed and appreciated.
I woke up and got to the routine this AM with a small walk around my apt, was a good start. Thank God no 3pm wake up this am, eyes opened at 8am.
More updates to come.
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So as I hit about 3.5 months. 2 weeks post distraction, and 3 inches taller I notice the following:
1. I am walking around a lot more, and can move and do things i would never dare attempt in the past (during distraction). Includes 360 turns in shower, stepping over objects, stairs.
2. Legs do feel stronger as i can stand and walk around for much longer.
3. New Aches and pains have come about, specifically in my knees and shins. Knees are tight, its like i can feel muscles, and ligaments/ tendons etc pulling my leg straight. This kind of surprised me. Perhaps I am feeling this because my new range of motion and activity is hitting new muscles that have been non active these past 3 months? (guess here).
4. APT more noticeable battle as I walk more and more.
5. Sleep is still tough. I can lay on my side, but still hard to get comfortable with the tight knees and pelvic area, so I just stay on my back to avoid the strain.
Sums it up for now.
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Nice improvements man, couple weeks of no distraction really does make a difference huh, lol. keep it up bro we'll be back to normal in no time
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You got that right Movie.
Movie, how is your sleeping at Month 4? Near normal yet?
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yeah bro back to normal don't even use my tylenol pm's anymore they're not necessary, there's a 1-2/10 level pain always pretty sure because my bones are still not fully consolidated but I'm sure it'll all go away soon.
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Went to PT today.
Pushed me to the bone.
One think they said was "We have got to get you walking straight, and get ride of that waddle".
I am assuming, this is just about practicing and improving hip flexion, and over all flexibility, in order to restore your gait.
Learn something new every day. onward.
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it is about practicing it, but it's mostly strength rather than flexibility, though flexibility is like 35-40% of the puzzle, but I feel that I don't waddle anymore until I get tired, meaning that some strength goes away but I'm still fairly flexible for having done 8cms on my femurs. so yes you want to be flexible, but to not sway while walking, that requires the strength on your hips to be able to hold your weight on one leg without having to dip your torso in.
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Went to PT today.
Pushed me to the bone.
One think they said was "We have got to get you walking straight, and get ride of that waddle".
I am assuming, this is just about practicing and improving hip flexion, and over all flexibility, in order to restore your gait.
Learn something new every day. onward.
Bone Stretcher, this will all come back in the coming weeks. Your legs will loosen up and as Movie mentioned, you get stronger. We don't realize it; but our stronger muscles are compensating for the weaker muscles all day during CLL, early stages. You probably have some back pain too? That is due to the lower back being promoted since your quads/glutes/hams are weaker. Within weeks now you'll start to feel more normal and once you see the light in terms of approaching that normal; your improvement becomes very rapid. I need to update the forum with my latest, but I'm now 11 months post opp and I feel completely normal again when walking.
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Thanks guys I tell you, this information is invaluable to me. I will focus on strengthening @ movie
FullStryde, good to know I appear on pace with the process.
More updates to come son.
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hey Bone, since your quads are so tight, are you still able to maintain a 90 degree bend?
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so right when i finished lengthening i was right at 90 degrees ...
2 weeks later (now), i can go about 105 degrees...its coming back fast with stretching and PT.
How are you doing there?
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Flexibility coming back... still a bit weak in the knees. The muscles on side of my hips are the weakest.
Will try to focus on these over next few weeks.
Trusting it all gets better.
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Nice! It’s so exciting waking up everyday and noticing improvements. Super motivating.
What would you say your gait to be at percentage wise at this point? How much longer do you think it’ll take you?
I’m probably at the 60-65% mark 9-days post distraction. Still wobbly, my knees are still bent due to tight hamstrings, and my flexibility is absolute **** Lol!
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I am at about 80%
I find that the more time and effort you put in at this stage, the faster you will heal.
Stretch hams and quads
Work on Pelvic tilt
walk walk walk, focus on keeping straight, and bending knees *walkin normal*...
I just know that has got to be the key.
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Ok.. update.. I notice my standing strength is stronger, i can stand quite a while.
Working on gait (same update as last few posts).
So strength hopefully on right track.
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Feeling achy tonight, can walk around, but feeling wirey and achie in the knees.
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Feeling achy tonight, can walk around, but feeling wirey and achie in the knees.
All very normal. You're doing just fine. Keep.Going.Strong.
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Me too bro on the knees, but it's because it's cold AF in LA lately lol
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.. warm shower does the trick for the knees for atleast an hour.
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Today I officially 1 day past 4 months. Starting slowly to get back into the gym. Not picking up any weights, just using machines, as I want the doc to clear me for that first.
Here is what i notice at this stage:
1. Legs wiry, and sore around the knees. Random 1 - 2 pains when moving around. Just what you would feel if you were "achie".
2. Flexibility is improving. Biggest issue with my gait right now is extending my legs a normal distance in front of me (steps are choppy), and using my hips too much when walking. Per @movie, this appears to be related to strength. I am compensating for weakness in the legs and hips, my swinging my legs and hips side to side. Makes sense based on what i am feeling. I am practicing my walk daily, and stretching to try to fix this.
3. APT (pelvic tilt), appears to be about 75 % resolved, however any pelvic tilt is a pain in the A** and back literally, so still working on that.
At this stage, i should be able to get back out and do everything i need to do, gym, office, jakuzzi, cook, small walks, dining etc.
In public i will opt to have a cane to straighten out my gait, and curve the fatigue.
All i got going for now team.
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You’re past the toughest stage at least, take it one day at a time and you’ll be running and jumping very soon!!
You got this bro
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Today I officially 1 day past 4 months. Starting slowly to get back into the gym. Not picking up any weights, just using machines, as I want the doc to clear me for that first.
Here is what i notice at this stage:
1. Legs wiry, and sore around the knees. Random 1 - 2 pains when moving around. Just what you would feel if you were "achie".
2. Flexibility is improving. Biggest issue with my gait right now is extending my legs a normal distance in front of me (steps are choppy), and using my hips too much when walking. Per @movie, this appears to be related to strength. I am compensating for weakness in the legs and hips, my swinging my legs and hips side to side. Makes sense based on what i am feeling. I am practicing my walk daily, and stretching to try to fix this.
3. APT (pelvic tilt), appears to be about 75 % resolved, however any pelvic tilt is a pain in the A** and back literally, so still working on that.
At this stage, i should be able to get back out and do everything i need to do, gym, office, jakuzzi, cook, small walks, dining etc.
In public i will opt to have a cane to straighten out my gait, and curve the fatigue.
All i got going for now team.
Hey Bone!
You're on track with where I was at. Being that you and I are almost identical in our age, starting stature, etc... It's no surprise that our progress throughout this procedure was in-step with the other. This month will be one to remember for you. "The Return" is now imminent.
Talk soon
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Thanks for keeping a detailed diary through consolidation. Progress looks great! I'll follow in your footsteps with the ongoing PT.
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Thanks Alchemist,
I can not emphasize this more, stretch hard, and strengthening your legs throughout this process (walk best you can, as much as you can - it will improve incrementally), and let PT know, strength is also very important to you. Exception: If you are in immense pain, that means rest. Common sense right?
I hope my advice helps others come out of the "distraction" with strong legs, so their healing can be months ahead of time.
Aside from Movie's youth, what I really credit him for is he was walking all over the place, climbing stairs when he could, and on a "self strengthening" agenda from day 1. Props @ Movie.
We all need to learn from each other here. I did OK, but could have done better on the strengthening side, so i pay the knowledge forward.
God speed my friend.
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Thanks for the props bro and yes I agree, and allow me to go even further I believe strengthening is even more important than stretching, I see a lot of people fix their PT on stretching only and that's not the way to go I think, because what good is it for you to be flexible as back to normal but have weak legs/hips and because of that continue to sway side to side, instead of even if you're not too flexible but have strength, your walk will look more normal
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Agree, I am really seeing that now.
The biggest issue I face at the moment is the weakness in hips and knees. Its at par, but has definitely added at least a month of additional recovery, I think I could have avoided.
We also have to remember that weakness = pain... So when you have that weakness, your joints will communicate that over exertion by throwing pain signals.
I recommend everyone, ESPECIALLY those using STRYDE to take advantage of the weight bearing technology.
Onward... will send another update next week.
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Lots of gems here from LL all stars. Thanks ya'll. I'm going to prioritize strength now (I'm 3 days post distraction) with glute and hip exercises as those are my weakest areas.
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Yea...
So stretch quads so you will not have APT - tilt forward
Stretch Hams, and use a roller to release Hams so you wont have duck feet
and walk often, while performing strength training, to limit your post Penguin state.
::bows::
Speaking from experience...
::penguin walks into sunset::
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Yea...
So stretch quads so you will not have APT - tilt forward
Stretch Hams, and use a roller to release Hams so you wont have duck feet
and walk often, while performing strength training, to limit your post Penguin state.
::bows::
Speaking from experience...
::penguin walks into sunset::
Bones, - I'll add that tight hamstrings causes the legs to bend a bit at the knees. Keep those hammy's loose as possible so you can stand straight up and down. You're looking pretty good in that area from what you have shown. APT also improving dramatically. You're doing remarkably well!
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Yea... knees and hips got me right now.. hope it all clears up soon.
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Yea... knees and hips got me right now.. hope it all clears up soon.
It will 100% Bit more time.
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Hello everyone, this is my Merry Christmas post...
DAY 131:
Status:
1. So i am walking around everywhere now... in my apt, my apt complex, apt gym.. HOWEVER I will admit, I feel like I am off roading in my tennis shoes, slight off balance and waddle still there, so I have to be careful. Knees also feel tender when I walk, but no sharp pains.
2. No real pain, just "achieness" as I call it. Most achieness is in the knees, and hip area, two areas that are apparently weak. Due to this I still kind of sway side to side, and getting up from a sitting position takes a few seconds to get started. I have to push up on something to boost by self up initially.
3. I am tight by normal standards, but way better then i was during distraction. I no longer need to force my leg straight, it is easy for me to straighten them, my nemesis at the moment is quads, causing slight APT. My knee flexion is at about 110 degrees (used to be 90)
4. Sleeping is getting back to normal, but not normal yet. Sleeping around 12am to 1am now not 3am to 4am thankfully, waking up around 7am or 8am. Goal is to sleep 10p to 11p. Will keep adjusting. Hardest part about sleeping is the APT, with that said I can now sleep on my side without issue. Mark this day - day 131 I CAN FINALLY SLEEP ON MY SIDE.
Does this sound at par for you guys? Something tells me I am taking the full grunt of this recovery.
Thanks all.
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Hello everyone, this is my Merry Christmas post...
DAY 131:
Status:
1. So i am walking around everywhere now... in my apt, my apt complex, apt gym.. HOWEVER I will admit, I feel like I am off roading in my tennis shoes, slight off balance and waddle still there, so I have to be careful. Knees also feel tender when I walk, but no sharp pains.
2. No real pain, just "achieness" as I call it. Most achieness is in the knees, and hip area, two areas that are apparently weak. Due to this I still kind of sway side to side, and getting up from a sitting position takes a few seconds to get started. I have to push up on something to boost by self up initially.
3. I am tight by normal standards, but way better then i was during distraction. I no longer need to force my leg straight, it is easy for me to straighten them, my nemesis at the moment is quads, causing slight APT. My knee flexion is at about 110 degrees (used to be 90)
4. Sleeping is getting back to normal, but not normal yet. Sleeping around 12am to 1am now not 3am to 4am thankfully, waking up around 7am or 8am. Goal is to sleep 10p to 11p. Will keep adjusting. Hardest part about sleeping is the APT, with that said I can now sleep on my side without issue. Mark this day - day 131 I CAN FINALLY SLEEP ON MY SIDE.
Does this sound at par for you guys? Something tells me I am taking the full grunt of this recovery.
Thanks all.
You're on par with where I was. Makes sense since our starting heights, age, and overall fitness is practically the same.
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As an update:
I just took my first steps without a waddle.
Day 132.
I believe this is a good sign.
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Day 133...
I was able to walk to my apartment gym about 5 minutes away and actually feel in command of my steps for the first time.
Also noticing knees bending, and the heal to toe combination coming back...
Merry Christmas
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Awesome progress Bonestretching! You mentioned 2 weeks post distraction that you still had a light dull pain, is that completely gone now?
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Alchemist, pain is is about 99% gone when idle, just subtle feels of pain, that are so light i pay no mind to it, maybe once, twice a day. I could compare it to just being sore after a jog.
The only consistent feeling of pain (if you want to call it that), is when i do walk the knees are a bit tight/wirey. I have made good progress in flexion, but I can feel the tension bc knees are not completely loose yet. Its more like a feeling of tightness, more than pain. I could walk all day with this kind of feeling with no issues, and it is improving daily now. Something about day 130, each day it is now getting better.
This morning i was able to get out of bed and walk to my kitchen without any pre stretching, with no pain. Interesting... At this stage, I am wondering if this 4.5 Month mark is a sweet spot in the healing process... I will update again later today after my stretching and work out.
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Alchemist, pain is is about 99% gone when idle, just subtle feels of pain, that are so light i pay no mind to it, maybe once, twice a day. I could compare it to just being sore after a jog.
The only consistent feeling of pain (if you want to call it that), is when i do walk the knees are a bit tight/wirey. I have made good progress in flexion, but I can feel the tension bc knees are not completely loose yet. Its more like a feeling of tightness, more than pain. I could walk all day with this kind of feeling with no issues, and it is improving daily now. Something about day 130, each day it is now getting better.
This morning i was able to get out of bed and walk to my kitchen without any pre stretching, with no pain. Interesting... At this stage, I am wondering if t
his 4.5 Month mark is a sweet spot in the healing process... I will update again later today after my stretching and work out.
That is awesome!
If I may ask which surgeon did you do the surgery with and how much did it cost you and how much are you growing to in which part of the leg. I’m thinking of getting two surgeries done one in femur and one in tibia. Want to gain about 10cm currently lost in which surgeon to pick. Please let me know thank you ! Hope it goes well for you
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Hands down, in my humble opinion Dr. Mahboubian is the guy.
I think you can find his latest costs on his website, feel free to message me i can tell you my costs.
If you look on page 1 of my diary, you can review on why I chose this surgeon.
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Thanks I checked out his prices on his website. Quite expensive but not as expensive as Dr Paley. For both femur and tibia surgery it costs about 150k where as for dr Paley it’ll be over 200k. Also on his website there’s plenty of patients who have done even gained 14cm which is astonishing. Thanks for your info going to save up my money and get it done with him in the future.
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Alchemist, pain is is about 99% gone when idle, just subtle feels of pain, that are so light i pay no mind to it, maybe once, twice a day. I could compare it to just being sore after a jog.
The only consistent feeling of pain (if you want to call it that), is when i do walk the knees are a bit tight/wirey. I have made good progress in flexion, but I can feel the tension bc knees are not completely loose yet. Its more like a feeling of tightness, more than pain. I could walk all day with this kind of feeling with no issues, and it is improving daily now. Something about day 130, each day it is now getting better.
This morning i was able to get out of bed and walk to my kitchen without any pre stretching, with no pain. Interesting... At this stage, I am wondering if this 4.5 Month mark is a sweet spot in the healing process... I will update again later today after my stretching and work out.
Amazing progress man- very happy for you. I'm approaching 2 weeks post distraction and am happy with the daily progression but slightly impatient with the minor dull pain still around. Your timeline has me optimistic about the next few weeks.
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Very exciting news dude!!
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Free at last man. You're close to being back the way you want to be back. Congrats! and keep.going.strong.
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Day 134.
Tightness pains around knees, from sitting down extended period of time no longer happening when i stand up from chair.
In other words, no pain in knees upon standing.
... Carry on.
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Day 136
First day in 4.5 months, I have been able to get out of bed without having to lean against a walker or wall, and do so some kind of full leg stretch to get started. I simply got out of bed, stood up, and started walking.
First Full 8 hours of sleep in 4.5 months.
Carry on...
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Wow amazing progress! 4.5 months seems like that sweet spot!
Question: Have you met family/friends/co workers yet? Have they noticed the height gain and if so how've you handled it?
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oh yea, I just tellem ... Swag makes you look taller.
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Day 137
Able to stand up off chair without push off assistance. (push off on chair handles etc).
I am so ready for life folks.
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Day 137
Able to stand up off chair without push off assistance. (push off on chair handles etc).
I am so ready for life folks.
This is big time right here.
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Day 137
Able to stand up off chair without push off assistance. (push off on chair handles etc).
I am so ready for life folks.
Amazing milestone. Your glutes came back. Can't wait to get there man.
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SO guys, i am walking around the casino, and cafes now etc.
I still use a cane, but at least I can get around ok now.
No bad pain, just tight, and knees are a bit weak.
Advice, keep stretching and working your quads, knees etc with the same intensity d after the LL distraction. I think i could be further than I am now, but "slightly" dipped a bit on my squats, etc.
Hope you all are well. btw.. feels great to be taller in the big world.
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SO guys, i am walking around the casino, and cafes now etc.
I still use a cane, but at least I can get around ok now.
No bad pain, just tight, and knees are a bit weak.
Advice, keep stretching and working your quads, knees etc with the same intensity d after the LL distraction. I think i could be further than I am now, but "slightly" dipped a bit on my squats, etc.
Hope you all are well. btw.. feels great to be taller in the big world.
Awesome bro!
How's the consolidation?? Can you post your latest x-rays...??
Power to you!!!
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Dreamer, I get to see those this Friday. I will send update when they come through for sure!
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Hey yall,
I went in for my 5 month appt today, and the doc just cleared me for jogging and back to sports.
yesssss...
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As promised here are my X rays. I am just about 5 days under the 5 month mark.
https://imgur.com/a/rIddUuK
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Niiiice! looking very good there nice callous growth
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Awesome progress Bonestretching! Keep pushing brotha!
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I always wonder about x rays..
I see the bone growth, I see the callus, but is it hard callus? soft callus? Obviously the doc looked at these and said i am ready to start slowly with jogging and light sports.
do you guys know how to read these on a basic level?
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Hey Bone hows your quad flexibility coming along? I remember you mentioning how tight you were...
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The density of the white line shipping the callus is what matters, the inside will be hollow and fill over time but most important part is that outer that get thicker.
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Hello All:
Just an update, as I approach the 6 month mark.
No pain, walking around, gait is just slightly off, as i push through some subtle tightness in the legs, but I can walk fine.
Here is what I notice, and a tip for post LLers... Keep pushing on the PT after you "see the light", meaning once you are walking, and pain is gone. Easy to begin to slack in this area. When you are done, the 2 areas you will need to push your self on is flexibility, AND most noticeably, STRENGTH, STRENGTH, STRENGTH. You should basically, be walking all the time, and doing resistance training atleast 2 to 3 times per week. You will find the only thing holding you back at this phase is lack of power in the legs.
With that,I am ready to re enter the world.
God bless
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What an awesome journey. All Dr Mahboubian's diaries in here are making me do the surgery with him. Kudos Bonestretching
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agreed 1 part of stretching and 3 parts strengthening in the mix is what I've been doing to get myself back to normal as fast as possible, keep it up bro!
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Killin it Bonestretching! Great to see your progress at close to 6 months. Totally agree, the dedication around strength is key, with a bit of stretching, all the way through. Keep crushing it homie.
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Bonestretching you are 100% correct. The Post Op and Post distraction PT is one of the most important parts of the whole procedure. It really will determine the longterm outcome of how your achilles, and other muscles work in unison. I had it done on my left tibia for a height imbalance but I'll tell you, that as a natural bodybuilder, stretching is KEY! I took notes of my whole rehab so I could use it once I got the nail out too.
Wishing you the best!
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Hey guys, just wanted to update you all.
I just turned the corner on 7 month, and heading towards 8 (time flies).
First of all, for those of you in the 1 to 4 months window of this process, I want to let you know, that "I KNOW", you feel like this is a never ending situation. I am here to tell you once you hit month 6 and 7, you will start feeling normal again. Specifically, you will be walking at 98& to 100% normal (if you continue to stretch), and your flexibility will be coming back fast. So just hang in there guys. I was you a few months ago trust me.
One thing I do want to ask:
What do you guys recommend for "back to sports training". I can jog very light, but it is still rough, and after about 30 seconds I just want to stop. Do you guys have any recommendation for training to get your jog back? Is it just the squats, lunges, etc, that will bring that "Spring" back?
Thanks guys,
Bionic Bones (no longer stretchin yall! - all done with the stretchin)
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Hey guys, just wanted to update you all.
I just turned the corner on 7 month, and heading towards 8 (time flies).
First of all, for those of you in the 1 to 4 months window of this process, I want to let you know, that "I KNOW", you feel like this is a never ending situation. I am here to tell you once you hit month 6 and 7, you will start feeling normal again. Specifically, you will be walking at 98& to 100% normal (if you continue to stretch), and your flexibility will be coming back fast. So just hang in there guys. I was you a few months ago trust me.
One thing I do want to ask:
What do you guys recommend for "back to sports training". I can jog very light, but it is still rough, and after about 30 seconds I just want to stop. Do you guys have any recommendation for training to get your jog back? Is it just the squats, lunges, etc, that will bring that "Spring" back?
Thanks guys,
Bionic Bones (no longer stretchin yall! - all done with the stretchin)
Awesome update Bones! Totally agree, around the 6 to 7 month post op time frame we magically start to feel normal again. Fellow LLers deep into distraction, it gets better, much faster, soon!
You are ahead of me in recovery, I'm about 6.5 months post op, but squats (unweighted) have been the most effective training for me as my glutes are by far still the weakest muscle impacted by LL, followed by side hip raises to strengthen my hip abductor.
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Alchemist, I am going to push my self on these work outs. Thanks for the tips.
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I agree with Alchemist, squats is the main exercise to get us back to normal as it works the most important muscles for Femur CLLers. I recommend doing 2 leg day work outs a week after about 6 months to speed up recovery, I can jog for a bit, I can sprint as fast as my 5'10 250Lbs friend who's strong on the legs and likes to play basketball lol, he's not the fastest, but definitely not the slowest person I've met.
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Well done brother. This is another amazing story that motivates me. Dr. M really seems to be the most solid choice!
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Hey Bones,
What's your wingspan and sitting height?
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In full Stryde -
My wing span is 163cm
I am not sure of my sitting height, however I am fortunately to have a longer torso then the average male who was my original height.
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All, I am coming upon my 9.5 Months post OP.
Update: I feel no pain
Walking: I walk normal
Jogging: I can light jog well
Jump roping: Yesterday was my first day I felt GOOD jump roping building a sweat
Women: They love me
Over all confidence: Night and Day difference
One word to describe how I feel: Pure Swagga
Over all feelings on the investment. Best decision I have ever made.
I hope all of you are doing well out there.
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All, I am coming upon my 9.5 Months post OP.
Update: I feel no pain
Walking: I walk normal
Jogging: I can light jog well
Jump roping: Yesterday was my first day I felt GOOD jump roping building a sweat
Women: They love me
Over all confidence: Night and Day difference
One word to describe how I feel: Pure Swagga
Over all feelings on the investment. Best decision I have ever made.
I hope all of you are doing well out there.
Congrats Bones! You da man.
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All, I am coming upon my 9.5 Months post OP.
Update: I feel no pain
Walking: I walk normal
Jogging: I can light jog well
Jump roping: Yesterday was my first day I felt GOOD jump roping building a sweat
Women: They love me
Over all confidence: Night and Day difference
One word to describe how I feel: Pure Swagga
I feel it haha Congrats Bone, it only gets better from here
Over all feelings on the investment. Best decision I have ever made.
I hope all of you are doing well out there.
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how much did u lengthen bro
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Hey bro,
I went the full 8CM on the femurs.
Stretch stretch stretch. walk walk walk. Will get you where you want to be.
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Congrats BoneStretching.
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Hey bro,
I went the full 8CM on the femurs.
Stretch stretch stretch. walk walk walk. Will get you where you want to be.
That’s great brother, so you went from 5ft1 and a half to 5ft4 and a half? Can you walk again? Are you happy with the height achieved, just like you I am 5ft1 and a half right and thinking of going for 3 inches but I am thinking of doing another surgery to gain another 2 inches or so. But not sure to be honest. Hope your well brother.
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Hey bro,
It is a huge game changer. I thought about the extra 2, but you know, I am so OK with what I have now, i dont even know if I really need it. So I got the full 3 (its kinda of tough in the end, but just keep pushing, you will heal). I might wear a nice sneaker, with a little boost, and it gets me up to 5 6, 5 7, without any weird look from the shoes. Go for the 3, you will be so happy, and by that time, you will ask yourself if going 2 more is worth it. Its a life changer man.
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Hello all, just a few weeks away from 1 year. I cant believe how fast time flies!
Question for all you you LL Bots, i notice I just started (about a week ago) to get this soreness in my left leg, it feels almost like growing pains , remember when you were young, and your knees got all cold, and achie, and it would keep you up all night?
Just starts mostly in the evening for me, and subsides over night.
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Hello all, just a few weeks away from 1 year. I cant believe how fast time flies!
Question for all you you LL Bots, i notice I just started (about a week ago) to get this soreness in my left leg, it feels almost like growing pains , remember when you were young, and your knees got all cold, and achie, and it would keep you up all night?
Just starts mostly in the evening for me, and subsides over night.
I’ve been getting the same exact thing you’ve described in my left leg. It sucks cuz it feels like a toothache in your knee and there’s nothing you can do about it until it just goes away.
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Wow I thought it was me only! that's so weird because I had my surgery 2 weeks before you Bone and I also started having pains out of nowhere in my right leg by the femur, knee and a bit of my upper shin early July! now my right leg feels much better and back to feeling strong how it was up until late June and the pain shifted to my left leg now, similar pain but it feels like the IT band more and also the knee but the outer side of the knee also where the IT band connects. it's weird but maybe something your body adjusts 1 year post op? lol
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Funny guys, you all just described in more detail what I am feeling. It is so random, but off and on last week and this week.
EZ put it right, "Nothing you can do about it, until it goes away" lol - It was so bothersome last night my mind started thinking about the Ol' tramadol lol, but no way, I grabbed an extra strength Tylenol and the pain "eased" in about an hour or so.
I will keep you guys updated, i picked back up on boxing this week, and it seemed to have help the issue, almost as if activity directed my brain away from the pain.
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yeah man same here, been on the extra strength Tylenols since early this month.
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One of the mental challenges is staying up with your personal PT.
Once you can walk, you feel well enough to just return to normal, but fact is you are not even close to normal, you realize this when you are in activities that required flextion , bending, explosiveness, etc.
ESPECIALLY, with these COVID times that have people stuck at home.
So all you LLers, and PARENTS caring for your younger LLers, keep up with PT as if you were still lengthening, SOOOO IMPORTANT, if you want to return back to normal.
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Hello All:
Just an update, as I approach the 6 month mark.
No pain, walking around, gait is just slightly off, as i push through some subtle tightness in the legs, but I can walk fine.
God bless
What do people mean when they say "tightness", can you describe that feeling ? is it like muscle soreness, how your muscles would feel the next day after a good weightlifting session ?
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As an update team - the pain in the left leg subsided about 3 weeks later. Interesting for sure.
Back to normal.. just gotta keep stretching and strengthin folks...
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Cyborg, just tight, like a cramp that doesn't necessarily hurt.
Also, your range of motion is way sub par if you don't stay on this. For example, most people can sit on feet, or close to it (while on your knees), after this, that becomes a challenge, you have to literally stretch for 6 months straight to get this back.
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I'm glad that everything turned out to be nice for you. I wish you the best.
I have a question to make, would you rather having a second surgery to appear even taller? Would you risk it?
Best Regards
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Good question, I am so happy with what I have now, that it is not a priority for me. I hear the tibs are an easier process than the femurs (lol I would imagine it is), so i do not rule it out. With that said we will see how I feel in about 6 months from now. lol I do think sometimes, imagine going all the way up to 5'6 or 7 lol (from 5'1 one year ago) - quite a growth spurt lol
If I went in and the Doc said I couldn't do it though, I would not even flinch, just being where I am now with 3 more inches, has made me feel "whole", if that makes sense.
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congrats on all your hard work bone stretching!
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Can you walk sideways?
Can you comfortably turn fast in all directions while standing still?
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Oh yea, I am actually back in the boxing gym hopping on my legs, bobbin weaving, side stepping, changing direction, pushing off you name it. Only thing I believe i could be better at is my flexibility in my quads. I will need a few more months to get back to normal on this.
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congrats on all your hard work bone stretching!
Thanks ! I appreciate it.
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I would not even flinch, just being where I am now with 3 more inches, has made me feel "whole", if that makes sense.
Love your mentality bro. King shiet
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Thanks brother...
When it feels right, it just feels right, no need to change it from there. Good luck on your journey!
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I wish I had enough money to do it in Cali. Not much stress. I live in Cali too jus 6 hrs away.
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Yikes, having that "growing pains" feelz on my right leg.. its ouchie all day.
Hope yall doing well.
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Hi all, I am about 1 year and 3 months post op.
Had this weird issue come up this week, where my right leg became real achie, almost like growing pains around the knee. Even at times I feel sensation in shins and feet. I been taking tylenol which seems to relieve the pain for about 1 to2 hours, then comes back. Any ways, I am keeping an eye on it, and may have it checked out if it continues.
You guys ever experience this?
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I went ahead an got some Ibuprofin see if that helps. Any ways guys just keeping u updated.
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I went ahead an got some Ibuprofin see if that helps. Any ways guys just keeping u updated.
Hey BoneStretching,
Would you please try exercise 9(c) and 10 in Version 2 of my set of exercises (page 12 of my diary). I believe they are at least harmless, but may hopefully help with your knee pain. I also highly recommend taking vitamin D, daily.
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Stryd very much appreciated it.
Will try this beginning tommorrow, and update you in a week.
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Just update, going into day 3 of the 24 hour period of pain and tightness in knee, calf and shin area, seems to shift around. I would describe it as a tightening or chrushing pain, throbbing. Advil and tylenol, bring me back to a place where i can relax again, but bumber either way. ne ways trying to walk and stretch it without over doing it. I am 1 year 3 months post opp, and this just started out of no where. Maybe i tweaked something while doing a light jog. Ne ways.
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Just update, going into day 3 of the 24 hour period of pain and tightness in knee, calf and shin area, seems to shift around. I would describe it as a tightening or chrushing pain, throbbing. Advil and tylenol, bring me back to a place where i can relax again, but bumber either way. ne ways trying to walk and stretch it without over doing it. I am 1 year 3 months post opp, and this just started out of no where. Maybe i tweaked something while doing a light jog. Ne ways.
Do you keep in touch with other patients who have undergone the same procedure? Also how old are you?
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New update on the play by play team , bc i consider this my first post recovery "event".
This AM , no pain now when idle, great sign. Ha vent taken pain meds for last 5 hours. God willing, i am back on track. Possible could have tweaked something while jogging, or jumping around the house.
Will see what happens by end of day.
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myself and a few others reported some sort of similar knee pain about a year post op, for me it was exactly a year post op where I started having a lot of pain on the one knee, then after a couple weeks the other knee and leg was having pains. I believe it's some sort of ~1 year adjustment pains, the pains calmed down about a month after, but they would come back for a day or two if I walked a lot, or did any type of physical activity harder than walking a little. it wasn't until about a month that I stopped having knee pains completely, and around the same time I also stopped eating meat, I'm vegan now, I don't know if that contributed to it or if it just took a 2.5 month period for those pains to completely go away, but that's why you see in my current update I'm able to sprint now and jog and play soccer again, I wouldn't have been able to during those painful periods. Hang in there they do subside.
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Thanks bro... yea it was just amazing, the pain was no joke lol I was having some LL flashbacks to month 2 and 3 lol
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How are you feeling?
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So this AM still achie.. but no constant pain. no meds either which is a good sign to see improvement without meds.
I thought maybe I had "bar bend".
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Lol. You good. Glad to hear you're doing better.
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all just reporting a full week later pain has gone away.
Based on this experience, i would suggest unless you are a "phenom" like Movie, stick to stretching and progressive movements. walk, fast walkin, jogin, and then run. Dont just one day feel good, and start hopping around like i did.
Peace my LLer Bros.
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Next steps. ROD REMOVAL.
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definitely not a phenom lol, I just started experiencing pains again, lol spoke too soon I guess!
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lol Growing pains... I decided to just take it easy. Fortunately for me, I don't have any sports to return too aside from boxing, which i can do fine. Its that hopping and running that gets me. I will keep stretching, and with my strength training, no hopping for another few months.
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pain and pain i wish there was a magic pill to make me taller
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Next steps. ROD REMOVAL.
How is it going? It's been a lot of time
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Hey bonestretching! Would love to hear an update from you! I hoping things are going great for you and your business is booming?! Also, how's your physical stats? Flexibility and strength? Back to pre-ll stage? Is there any lingering pain, tightness or numbness? Are you able to run/jog/walk normally? Is your gait back to normal like pre ll? Hoping the best for you man!
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My journey continues...
Well folks first off I want to say my Doctor has been great. 100% Recommend if on the West Coast. Man is on top of it.
So, I myself was one of those guys that waited a bit longer to have my stryde taken out. I waited approximately 2 years. A combination of safety and paranoia. Doc did reccomend I come in and take them out, and I just ran with the risk on my own.
Any ways, I had my Rods take out a while ago, and i got the lysis and hypertrophy around my left juncture point.
I feel no pain, can walk on both legs (full weight bearing) BUT....
Doc has me walking on crutches for 6 weeks as a precaution post rod removal for my left leg.
lol it is a little tramatic to go back to crutches 2 years later, but hopefully it is for the best.
I figured I would update my journal incase any other "stryders" go through the same.
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Wonder if anyone went through this?
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Couldn't he tell that you had lysis BEFORE removal?
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Well in this case bro My legs were perfect, then I had to take off for about a year out of country, when I came back I received the x-rays and found i was hit. Doctor actually asked me to get them out around the year+ mark, so this one is on me.
Curious if anyone else has had to deal with this, and what their prognosis was.
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Well I guess this subject matter is not too interesting, but I will update anyways for those who may need it.
Went in for my post surgery appointment, had stitches take out, legs feel fine, BUT.. of course due to the stryde side effects, Doc has me on crutches for 5 more weeks (hopefully). Will have an appointment again at that time. Will update you guys at that time with results on healing (post rod removal here). So here it goes.
If anyone has been through this process let me know!
God speed and walk tall, you LL GIANTS!
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Sorry to hear that you have to use crutches. I’m sure you were expecting the process to be all done after nail removal. Otoh, with the incisions and scars still healing, and recovering to a normal walk with no stiffness, I don’t expect to be back to normal for a few weeks after nail removal anyway. I think having crutches isn’t that bad, aside from maybe being awkward at work if you’re not working from home. Best of luck!
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Thanks for the positive words brother, yea you will be back in action in no time after the rod removal wounds heal (week or 2). I get feedback from research saying, your bones will be fine in about 6 weeks post stryde removal, i guess it is just that "uncertainty". But hey, I went through it for 6 months, when I put the rods in, I guess 6 weeks should be a breeze right? lol
God speed Giants.
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Venting. So annoyed at the moment
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You are going to be just fine, Bone Stretching.
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The legend has spoken.
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BoneStretching, is it possible for you to post the x-rays of lysis + hypertrophy?
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Ill request them from radiology and post in a bit.
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Ill request them from radiology and post in a bit.
Thanks a lot..I had a consultation with Dr Parihar and he told me things would resolve once the nail is out..
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Thank you Realistic for chiming in on this.
Not too much hard data on this, but that is what I am hearing from doctors as well (including mine). I assume the lysis just fills in (shrugs).
I can walk fine, can even bare full weight, it is what I dont see that has me in crutches right now as a precaution.
Will update you guys.
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2 weeks down. 4 more to go.
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Hi BoneStretching,
Sorry that you've faced all this; but I have no doubt you'll fully recover.
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Rooting for you BoneStretching !
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Thanks Stryde! Man lil comments like that mean the world.
Movie - my dogg, we went through this one together lol back in the Stryde glorydays. How you doing?
Yea, I am all done here, got rods removed, and on the "last leg" of this journey hahaha
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3 weeks down
3 to go.
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3 weeks down
3 to go.
Time really flies, keep at it! I can’t wait til I can go back to the gym.
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Yup, i feel ya.
Just hobbling around on crutches hoping the lysis holes feel in lol
God speed. Ill update you guys every week. Appt in 3 weeks.
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It is all mental my friends.
Do things daily to build momentum.
God speed.
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4 weeks down.
2 more to go.
Go all da wayyy Up.
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4 weeks down.
2 more to go.
Go all da wayyy Up.
Hang in there bro! How strong do your legs feel? Mine are back to normal and I really want to go to the gym, but I know I'm not supposed to lift heavy things, squat, or run. I can't even carry any plates onto a barbell to bench press lol
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I hear ya - they feel normal honestly. No pain at all, can walk full weight no issues.
Doc just has me on these crutches for 6 weeks (2 more weeks to go), bc of the Stryde lysis.
Been doing upper body with machines, and dumbells at home.
This part is driving me crazy.
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5 weeks down... 1 more to go.
All for good ? or all for nothing?
I guess God only knows at this point.
Yall be safe.
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Hi Stretchy Bone,
What is your wingspan? lol. Jk. You good. You good. Keep us posted.
All the Best,
IFS
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Well folks, my appointment is in 6 days (this Friday).
We will see what happens to a person with stryde based lysis, after the rods are taken out. I will update you all.
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Sir, please upload x rays if possible
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will do after appointment.
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Team,
Tomorrow is the big day. wish me luck.
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Good luck Bone stretching.
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TEAM!
I have been cleared to walk, on this day my LL Journey is officially complete!
I will post x-rays later today.
Long story short, when you remove the strydes, the hole just fills in.
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TEAM!
I have been cleared to walk, on this day my LL Journey is officially complete!
I will post x-rays later today.
Long story short, when you remove the strydes, the hole just fills in.
The feeling is totally different right now, right?
The most painful moment is gone for good. Now with a new height. Congratulations.
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Feels free, feels lighter, feels amazing.
Thank you!
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Congrats Mr. Stretchy Bone.
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Thanks.. wishing everyone the best. there is a happy ending to this story.
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Thank you for sharing with us!!!
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TEAM!
I have been cleared to walk, on this day my LL Journey is officially complete!
I will post x-rays later today.
Long story short, when you remove the strydes, the hole just fills in.
Congrats, bro! Have your screw holes filled in already as well? I feel like I can run and jump right now, but I haven’t done an X-ray since removal yet so I’m being cautious.
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Hey are you 'InFullStryde'? Your two heights are equal, you two are both enterpreneurs, and you two both do LL in Mahboubian's!
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Long story short, when you remove the strydes, the hole just fills in.
Thanks, very good to know! How long did it take after nail removal for the holes to fill considerably/completely ?
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Thanks, very good to know! How long did it take after nail removal for the holes to fill considerably/completely ?
Moto - Just a 6 week wait , had to use crutches after surgery for 6 weeks. New x rays showed the holes filling in, and they gave the ok to walk again. This is GREAT NEWS for stryde users concerned about lysis. It does reverse when rods are taken out.
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So from your exp it's safe to say it takes 6w for stryde patients to fill bone holes to a good mount. Can the same be said for precice patients?
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Yea precise has no historical issues with lysis near the juncture point of the rod. You are likely good to go after rod removal for precise.
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Yea precise has no historical issues with lysis near the juncture point of the rod. You are likely good to go after rod removal for precise.
After the removal, one could walk like normal? No need to adjust?
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Yea no need at all.
You heal for about 1 week from the surgery incisions, but after that you feel normal. Walking on pure bone again.
It is almost spiritual. Instant babe magnet.
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Yea no need at all.
You heal for about 1 week from the surgery incisions, but after that you feel normal. Walking on pure bone again.
It is almost spiritual. Instant babe magnet.
How filled in were your screw holes during your last X-ray? Did your doctor clear you for sports yet?
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There was a considerable amount of "fill in", however still a bit transparent. He did not clear me for sports, mentioned to wait another 6 weeks for that. I believe 2 to 3 months is fairly standard after rod removal to allow your screw holes to fill in.
with that said, I am thrilled to be able to walk again without crutches. And even more thrilled, that this "lysis" business created by the stryde rod is isolated, and not something that spreads. It goes away after you take the rod out.
I guess to be safe, I will take another x ray of my legs in a year or so.
Be safe, be tall.