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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: infinity&beyond on March 22, 2020, 02:30:54 AM
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I am a 179cm, 25 year old male and I want to get a total of 5cm lengthened split between my tibia and femur (2.5cm each) from the Paley institute. I can just foresee a bunch of you pouring in below with comments like:
- ‘your tall enough, don’t bother with LL’
- ‘5cm is so small for such a big procedure, might as well go more since otherwise LL not worth it’
- ‘Why break 2 bones just for 2.5cm, just do all 5cm in the femur’
With all due respect these comments are not really helpful for what I’m asking. I would appreciate it if you guys could stick to the topic at hand, which is what I’ve laid out in the first line.
I might well eventually end up just getting all 5cm in femurs, however the 2.5-2.5 split is what I want in an ideal world, and to me personally it actually seems quite minimal.
My questions are: How would be the best way to go about getting this done? What would time-frame be like and how long till completely back to normal? While I don’t care about finances as I’m wealthy, a grave concern of mine is scarring. Please discuss below
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You'd have to do femurs first, since they heal faster. Then tibias.
Femurs you'd be fine within 5 months from surgery, tibias maybe 7 months. So you're looking at a year off. That's just guess work though, it could be faster or slower depending on many factors.
But IMHO this is not very realistic. If all you want is 5cm, it's much easier to just do femurs and be done with it.
Regarding your height, the taller you are to start with the easier it is to grow further. For example you might be able to lengthen faster than a shorter person. Whatever makes you happy man ;)
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Best to ask Paley for a schedule.
But to give you a reference, my friend did approx 6.8cm at Paley for his femurs. He was walking without a cane by month 5.
But you can do the math. 1mm per day for femur = 25 days of lengthening. +1 month for consolidation. Assuming you are walking and putting pressure on your legs by standing up and moving around. I would guess you will be fine by month 3.
But to do both after 3 weeks to 1 month of you finishing your femur you will go under the knife again for the tibia. It’s .75mm per day so that’s approx 33 days for tibia. Tibia usually consolidates slower than femur.. but as long as you’re up and walking I think you can do it in 3 month.
You’re only doing 2.5cm.. that’s why my estimation is shorter than the other reply.
Month 1-2 would be femur, starting month 2 you will do tibia, so month 2-5 will be mainly tibia and some femur.
But honestly I can see you walking by month 6 without a cane. 2.5 isn’t a lot, and if you do PT everyday up till you discharge from Paley and you continue walking assisted, I can see you walking unassisted by month 6. Long distance walking? I don’t know, but I can see you walking short distances unassisted.
In terms of running, jumping and all that.. I don’t know.. that would up to your athletic ability before surgery, how well you recover, how much flexibility you retain, etc
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as someone who is almost 8 months post op and did 8 CM's Femur Strydes, just do femur bro... why spend twice the amount and bear twice the set backs these procedures have on our bodies? Femur 5 CM's and that's it bro ... you should be good to go. no disrespect but 2.5 cms each for both sections seems like one of the stupidest ideas I've read so far here, because you'll still cause trauma to your bones with the femurs procedure, and for tibias, you'll have the nail inserted through your knees ... doesn't seem worth it for just 2.5cms to me having done the procedure myself. my two cents. best of wishes
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While I don’t care about finances as I’m wealthy, a grave concern of mine is scarring. Please discuss below
If you are concerned about scarring I'd advise against doing tibias. There are more incisions involved with the tibias and our tibias/lower legs are obviously much more visible to the public and difficult to hide as compared to the primary scars from femurs (hip site and upper knee which you can hide with shorts that drape at your knee).
I can't recall exactly how many scars there are with tibias, but I remember all the tibia patients at Paleys had numerous scars up and down their shins that were highly visible. Be prepared for at least 1 to 2 years of highly visible scars, remember that you will re-open the wounds when you remove the rods a year or more after your initial surgery.
Yes the scars will eventually fade and I plan on getting laser removal procedures done to help deal with the scars from my femur site, but even then you've got to be realistic here, such procedures won't 100% completely hide the scars, maybe 90 to 95% at best for me(depends on your skin tone and skin type). People close to you (e.g. intimate partners) will still notice.
Overall, I agree with Movie, with your desired length and outcome, I believe 5 cm on femurs is the way to go.
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Since you already mentioned that your major concern is "scarring", it is obvious that more surgeries will give you more scarring. If your goal is over 8 cm, two surgeries is the only choice. But your goal is 5 cm and you don't want to have many scars. Then just do the femurs. 5 cm in femurs is a rather easy process. You need about two months for surgery and lengthening. After a couple of weeks of recovery, you probably can go back to sort of normal life.
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Thank you all for the information in response to this thread, I appreciate it and encourage all to continue this thread.
Best,
Fernie
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there is a rate between femur and tibia, you shouldn t do 2.5 -2.5 cm. the ratio is 4/5. that s means your femur should be longer than tibia.
for example if you get 5 cm from femur , you need 4 cm from tibia. 10 cm femur , 8 cm tibia etc.
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Interesting
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Wouldn’t mind further thoughts on this
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You all make valid points
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Surely I’m not the only one out here who’s considering LL despite already being in what some might consider an ‘tall’ height range
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Any diary’s on here of patients in similar circumstance to me who have gone through with it?
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That is, anyone actually lengthened just for a few cm?
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im doing it now, im at 3.1cm, goal of only 5cm increase
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Hey Fernie, hope you are well. Speaking as a guy who did 8 cm on tibias, I'll just give my 2 cents for whatever its worth. First noone notices the length imbalance between my tibias and femurs, ive just been told "you have long legs" a few times as a compliment. So if I were in your position, i'd legitimately consider going more than 5 cm on femurs should your doctor allow that. You're in good hands so I would think your doctor knows best..
All the best to you!
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Do you have any photos, either of you? Who are you doing the 5cm with?
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How tall are you? Femurs or tibia?
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What’re your thoughts on getting it done simultaneously on tibia and femur for just 2cm each?
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Woah you bumped the thread like 4 times mate ::)
Honestly you need to do more research, reads all the diaries and visualize yourself doing this and spending all the money. I guess doing quads 2cm + 2cm is safer than doing quads 5cm + 5cm which Paley offers, but it's really your call if it's worth the pain and money.
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http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3977.0 - Here is the diary of a guy who lengthened his femurs by 5 cm. There were photos and videos after lengthening. You can see how it looks He has almost the same initial height as yours (180.5 cm).
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i was roughly ur height and goal, feel free to ask me anything
i'm 46 days into my journey (femurs stryde italy)
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Very useful link, I appreciate it a lot
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Will be sure to get in touch with you. Give me until tonight.
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Any initial thoughts etc? Would you do it again? Why not tibia and femur?
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Tibia and femur or just all femur?
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Sorry for the bumps guys, I would delete them now if I could
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i could get even 10cm on femurs alone and still look proportionate, why would i do an additional surgery that would double my scars and compound my risks?
i had my surgery with dr. pili from milan italy.
i think most doctors discourage femurs and tibia at same time, too many risks pilling up. but if it's only a small amount on each they may allow it idk, better ask them. but to be honest i'm dealing with enough discomfort and pains with both femurs broken, i'd hate to find out what if feels to have also the tibias broken at the same time.
i may share some photos via PM.
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ferniebritishcolumbia I just did posted a video today about factors you should consider when deciding which legs but in summary I mentioned femurs are usually your best bet for safety, usually less impacted symmetry due to being the longer bone, less scarring, faster healing and usually cheaper. Not to mention you get them done and it might quench your craving for more height
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Ok cool thanks for the info
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Seriously contemplating this, wish it was more accessible
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Anyone wanna chime in on this? Sure many can relate or have thoughts
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im sincerly curious why would you only want 2.5 only 1 segment? aesthetics/proportions? mb i can learn something here
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Is it better to do 2.5 cm each because then you won't be stretching your soft tissues as much? Therefore you can get as close to 100% doing 2 segments of 2.5 cm rather than 1 segment of 5 cm
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Trust me and do at least 3.5cm + 3.5cm.
You won't regret.
Trust me..
Edit: The best is to have the surgery on your femurs. But still, what I mean is: if you are literally going to have 2 surgeries, at least do 3.5cm instead of 2.5. They both are almost the same safe.
Best Regards
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Not a bad idea
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Keen to revamp this thread for more input
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I don't know what is a better indicator of mental sickness, wanting to do LL at 179 or wanting to break more bones than the centimeters you will lengthe
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I don't know what is a better indicator of mental sickness, wanting to do LL at 179 or wanting to break more bones than the centimeters you will lengthe
Easily the second.
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I’ve heard that before, really don’t wanna hear it again.
Continuing on...
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I’ve heard that before, really don’t wanna hear it again.
Continuing on...
You bumped this thread 50 times and nobody replies
I wonder why...
I hope your from the US or UK, they have good psychiatrists there
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LL at 1m79?? Loser!!!!
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LL at 1m79?? Loser!!!!
It s a new trend now bro, haven't you realised? There are people here that are 185 and want to do double LL
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LL at 1m79?? Loser!!!!
Well imo I can imagine a nice 6cm femur would place him at 1.85 with decent recovery. If he has the time and resources he certainly would stand to gain being in the upper end of the bell curve in any country he is in.
It would be a complete luxury though to be fair
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If you want to reduce your time frame, I believe that Dr. Giotikas in Greece lets you do internal femur and internal tibia with only 1 month in between. I think alot of other doctors like Paley will only do it if you wait 6+ months in between surgeries.
So it will be about 1.5 months + 1 month + 1.5 months so like 4-5 months maybe total.
Post a diary on the forum when you get started and tell us how it goes with Dr. Giotikas. Good luck!
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If you want to reduce your time frame, I believe that Dr. Giotikas in Greece lets you do internal femur and internal tibia with only 1 month in between. I think alot of other doctors like Paley will only do it if you wait 6+ months in between surgeries.
So it will be about 1.5 months + 1 month + 1.5 months so like 4-5 months maybe total.
Post a diary on the forum when you get started and tell us how it goes with Dr. Giotikas. Good luck!
lol sounds like an express ticket to crippleville
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If you earned redundant money you can donate to poverty-striked areas.
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Interesting!
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Decided to up it to 3cm and 3cm.
For those asking why I’m even doing 2 segments in the first place: tldr - to evade detection. I’m already worried about family picking up on the height increase itself. Can’t afford to be worrying about them picking up on my off proportions as well. I’ve seen some vids on here that show absolutely terrible proportions when one segment is lengthened 6cm. Dead giveaway
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Decided to up it to 3cm and 3cm.
For those asking why I’m even doing 2 segments in the first place: tldr - to evade detection. I’m already worried about family picking up on the height increase itself. Can’t afford to be worrying about them picking up on my off proportions as well. I’ve seen some vids on here that show absolutely terrible proportions when one segment is lengthened 6cm. Dead giveaway
You talk about LL like its fillers
I ll get some filler on my jaw, but only 3ml to not be detected
And then I ll also get some filler on my cheeks, but only 3 ml to not be detected
That's how you sound
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Hey, I know you are getting some flack but I support your decision
Congrats on being tall and wealthy enough internals on both legs and become 6 feet + someday! Are you set on Paley, not considering cheaper options like Giotikas in Athens?
Hopefully the experience on this forum hasn't been too rough and has helped you achieve your goals! Hope you post a diary and tell us how it goes
In the meantime, my fellow non-tall brethren will be singing about what could have been for us:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuMWrfXG4E
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Speed dialer you’re a breath of fresh air. I appreciate that. Definitely considering Giotikas.