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Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: drxboom on August 16, 2020, 10:09:24 PM
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Family ? Low gh or etc?
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Extreme sleep deprivation and depression for long-period.
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5ft6 dad and ~4ft11 grandma.
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1) yes there is a proportion between sleep and gh but I guess this does not cause serious height loss
2) When parents are short, children are short, but sometimes parents are short, even if they are short. I saw 168 mom Father 169 boy claim 183
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Hypogonadism in my late teens
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early puberty, hypogonadism, low hg high, estrogen all of which can cause short stature
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5'6" dad and 5'1" mom. I'm actually slightly below average height in my native country.
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How is your height
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5'6" dad and 5'1" mom. I'm actually slightly below average height in my native country.
Perhaps you can one day become president of Guatemala.
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Family ? Low gh or etc?
A heart problem when I was a baby and one of the antibiotics I had to take. Both caused stunted growth.
I ended up shorter than my dad and way shorter than my brother.
My doctors calculated that I lost at least 15cm of my final height because of that.
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I also increased at the age of 13, then my growth slowed down, I was four or five cm below the target height, so I want cll and it hurts
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My growth slowed down at 16, before that a had 2 noticeable growth spurts, between 12-13 and 14-15
My parents very short (dad 5 ft 3 and mom 5 ft3)
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Also I had a classmate, we were born in the same year but, I was in June, he in December, his father 5 ft9, mother 5 ft 4, at 16 we were same height, but in the end of the school he ended up 4 cm taller than me (growth between 16-17),rare case though
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My growth slowed down at 16, before that a had 2 noticeable growth spurts, between 12-13 and 14-15
My parents very short (dad 5 ft 3 and mom 5 ft3)
Are you Asian? You were incredibly lucky to outgrow your dad by seven inches.
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My growth slowed down at 16, before that a had 2 noticeable growth spurts, between 12-13 and 14-15
My parents very short (dad 5 ft 3 and mom 5 ft3)
I'd consider you blessed with that height and wingspan knowing your parents were short. You play ball?
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5'7" dad and 4'8" mom, my nutrition could've been better and early growth spurt
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Almost 175cm dad and 163cm mother. My little bro is 185-186cm he is 15. LOL
Fkn unluck.
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Are you Asian? You were incredibly lucky to outgrow your dad by seven inches.
I'm white, yup also think that I'm very lucky about it
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I'd consider you blessed with that height and wingspan knowing your parents were short. You play ball?
I played ball sometimes, not regularly, more often I was playing soccer and just running
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My mom is 5'1-2 and my dad is 5'1-2". Its a miracle that I'm 5'6", as my brother is 5'3-4".
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Almost 175cm dad and 163cm mother. My little bro is 185-186cm he is 15. LOL
Fkn unluck.
According to your signature, you’re 173 cm. But didn’t you say you were 167 cm in another thread? Anyway, your brother is really lucky. 😱
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bitter truth, long hegiht is dominant gene and world average will increase by timely gradually
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Im filipino
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The vast majority of us is short only due to our genes.
It is stupid for someone with a 5.7 dad and a 4.8 mom to think that he became 5.6-5.7 because he didn't sleep enough. In reality, he is very lucky to even be at that height with that parents heights, especially an almost dwarf mother.
I have a 5.9 dad, a 5.2 mom and ended up 5.65 which is completely normal with my parents heights.
I smoked a little at 16yo and started gym at the same year but telling that I stunted my growth for that reasons is completely bs.
I may have ended 1-2 cm taller if I didn't so what? Stunted growth is not 1-2 cm but at least 5-6 and today only in countries with famine children face problems like these.
All of us here have our heights at 99% due to our genes.
Sleep, healthier nutrition and all these may have given to some of us, not even the majority, 1 inch at max, nothing to make us not thinking about LL.
So stop thinking stupid reasons and just accept that our genes made us the heights we are (or were for veterans like me).
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Yo dude u r8 to some extent but it is definately not 99% with genes its more like 60 to 70%...coz my parents are 5'7 and 5'1 probably and am 5'8 nearly...but my cousin mom and dad are 5 or 4'11 and 5'5 but he is 5'9 or 5'10 so yeah nutrition especially during puberty is very important coz my cuz surpassed my height only during puberty coz he had better nutrition at home and i was shipped off to some ty boarding school with poor food supplies there...but i did get good marks though😅..and am a lot more intelligent thn him..way more..and he is doing some kind of non academic job with nearly no income..and am pursuing a mbbs degree.
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If i was 15 again i would kill myself for trying sigaretes and alcohol at 15.6 years old (i was around 170-171 cm at that time), and would look for hgh asap
Also i never really have/had any troubles with sleeping but still i would have sleep as much as i can at this time
I think naturlly i would never end up like 190 cm or something(because of my short parents) but still could get an extra 5 cm +
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Sleep, healthier nutrition and all these may have given to some of us, not even the majority, 1 inch at max, nothing to make us not thinking about LL.
So stop thinking stupid reasons and just accept that our genes made us the heights we are (or were for veterans like me).
Spot on!
Heritability allows us to examine how genetics directly impact an individual's height. For example, a population of white men has a heritability of 80 percent and an average height of 178 centimeters (roughly five feet, 10 inches). If we meet a white man in the street who is 183 cm (six feet) tall, the heritability tells us what fraction of his extra height is caused by genetic variants and what fraction is due to his environment (dietary habit and lifestyle). The man is five centimeters taller than the average. Thus, 80 percent of the extra five centimeters, or four centimeters, is due to genetic variants, whereas one centimeter is due to environmental effects, such as nutrition.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-much-of-human-height/
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https://atlasofscience.org/stressful-childhoods-lead-to-shorter-adult-height-but-via-different-pathways-for-boys-and-girls/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/unhappy-childhood-can-stunt-growth-277354.html
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2018/february/stress-makes-you-small/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial_short_stature
https://www.rockdalenewtoncitizen.com/news/dobson-anxiety-can-have-effect-on-childrens-growth/article_923ac6e8-dce5-51e0-91c4-15d9a15df1ca.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23631138/
https://adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/59/1/78.full.pdf
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https://atlasofscience.org/stressful-childhoods-lead-to-shorter-adult-height-but-via-different-pathways-for-boys-and-girls/
The effect is not negligible with stature shortened by over a third of an inch boys from divorced families, and almost an inch for those who lost a parent through death.
Also, did you read the whole study?
Height is a heritable trait [44] so it is possible that short parental stature is passed on to children, and is also associated with a higher likelihood of premature death. This potential confounding is not possible to test with these data as we have no information about parental height.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4697772/#!po=0.746269
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If i was 15 again i would kill myself for trying sigaretes and alcohol at 15.6 years old (i was around 170-171 cm at that time), and would look for hgh asap
Also i never really have/had any troubles with sleeping but still i would have sleep as much as i can at this time
I think naturlly i would never end up like 190 cm or something(because of my short parents) but still could get an extra 5 cm +
You could still get 5cm in your mind.
Not in reality.
At least half teens do alcohol, smoke etc and many of them become very tall.
Other kids never did things like these and ended up short. So anyone would think that he could become taller for an X reason. But in reality, 90% of time he wouldn't.
Not everyone is born to become tall or average. Some people here can't accept it.
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I always feel less guilty about my stress compared to my malnutrition and sleep deprivation. My sleep deprivation was very extreme. I always asked myself how much of it was my fault. Most nights, I just couldn't sleep or had to study for exams (procrastination). I only studied when I had an exam the following day. So it always took the entire night. But exams couldn't be everyday right. So there must have been days where it weren't for exams.
But other nights, I chose to listen to radio or watch soccer. I started watching soccer after WC 2006, after Barcelona won CL. So I had to be at least 13.5 by that time, was already smaller than average as I believe. In my country, Champions League was always at around 2AM. So I would purposely wake myself up even if I was already asleep. The same applied for La Liga which I also watched. But La Liga is sometimes on Saturday/Sunday. If it's Saturday, then no school the following the day. Sometimes still had to wake up early for Church though. Premier League is always much earlier (8-10PM). But Champions League and La Liga weren't everyday also. At most, each of them is once every week. And they had breaks also. So probably soccer isn't the one to blame. I don't know. By the way, just me ranting. lmao
I read about Randy Gardner who went 11.5 days straight without sleep at age 18. He wasn't short. He was most probably done growing at the time. But if he could do something so extreme, he probably had been practicing it since earlier age. I would love to ask him.
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I started puberty super early - around 9. I was in the 95th percentile for height being 173cm at 13 and then only made it to 176cm. My dad is 6ft my mum is 5'5".
I also had steroid asthma inhalers which I don't think helped
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I started puberty super early - around 9. I was in the 95th percentile for height being 173cm at 13 and then only made it to 176cm. My dad is 6ft my mum is 5'5".
176cm ain't short. Unless you live in the Netherlands or a Slavic country.
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The vast majority of us is short only due to our genes.
It is stupid for someone with a 5.7 dad and a 4.8 mom to think that he became 5.6-5.7 because he didn't sleep enough. In reality, he is very lucky to even be at that height with that parents heights, especially an almost dwarf mother.
I have a 5.9 dad, a 5.2 mom and ended up 5.65 which is completely normal with my parents heights.
I smoked a little at 16yo and started gym at the same year but telling that I stunted my growth for that reasons is completely bs.
I may have ended 1-2 cm taller if I didn't so what? Stunted growth is not 1-2 cm but at least 5-6 and today only in countries with famine children face problems like these.
All of us here have our heights at 99% due to our genes.
Sleep, healthier nutrition and all these may have given to some of us, not even the majority, 1 inch at max, nothing to make us not thinking about LL.
So stop thinking stupid reasons and just accept that our genes made us the heights we are (or were for veterans like me).
Lol yeah, based on my heights at younger ages I would've been lucky to wind up 5'4"
Maybe wishful thinking that I could've been maybe a teensy bit taller if I ate meat and stuff because my diet was pretty bleh, but it really would've been pretty much the same.
But then for some bizarre reason my maternal uncle who's the equivalent of my mom's height and his mom who's probably not over 5'1" is now apparently 5'9" when he's two years older than me and used to be shorter and got a growth spurt at 19 and another cousin is 6'0" with a 5'1" mom and 5'7" dad. Genetics are weird.
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Thanks yeah I'm from the UK. I guess I just feel like I haven't met my potential which is the main thing.
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There is a proven strong relationship between puberty and height. Entering late puberty is always prolonged because the epiphyseal plates then close. but you're still glorious 176 so good
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Lol yeah, based on my heights at younger ages I would've been lucky to wind up 5'4"
Maybe wishful thinking that I could've been maybe a teensy bit taller if I ate meat and stuff because my diet was pretty bleh, but it really would've been pretty much the same.
But then for some bizarre reason my maternal uncle who's the equivalent of my mom's height and his mom who's probably not over 5'1" is now apparently 5'9" when he's two years older than me and used to be shorter and got a growth spurt at 19 and another cousin is 6'0" with a 5'1" mom and 5'7" dad. Genetics are weird.
Were you a vegetarian as a teen?
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Late puberty usually results in normal height, but it can traumatize a teen in highschool still being way under avg but eventually in early 20 or before they spurt up just fine and all is well.. It's the early puberty that fks kids up destined to be 6'0 but then aromatize od test at like 14 and stop growing there cuz fusion of plates despite normal hgh and igf1 levels aka precocious puberty gotta put tht bitchh on an AI asap once u see signs
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Yeah maybe I could've gained more if I ate meat or atleast injected HGH and used AI when I realised my growth rate plummeted hard 14 onwards.
So basically I was like the shortest-3rd shortest in my grade all the way up to 7th - 8th grade when I was suddenly above average and a few people called me "tall". Then in 9th grade suddenly below average again, my neurosis then kicked in but I still wasn't "short short". I was predicted to be about 5'8" generally. 10th grade I was very depressed when I realised that I wasn't gonna grow much more. 11th grade, I feel pretty short again but not very short; 20th percentile or so. I knew I wouldn't be tall but I never really expected to wind up under 5'8", much less 5'6".
But then my cousin who ended up at 6ft with not much taller parents was asthmatic as a kid and very very skinny and ate barely okay.
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Yeah maybe I could've gained more if I ate meat or atleast injected HGH and used AI when I realised my growth rate plummeted hard 14 onwards.
So basically I was like the shortest-3rd shortest in my grade all the way up to 7th - 8th grade when I was suddenly above average and a few people called me "tall". Then in 9th grade suddenly below average again, my neurosis then kicked in but I still wasn't "short short". I was predicted to be about 5'8" generally. 10th grade I was very depressed when I realised that I wasn't gonna grow much more. 11th grade, I feel pretty short again but not very short; 20th percentile or so. I knew I wouldn't be tall but I never really expected to wind up under 5'8", much less 5'6".
But then my cousin who ended up at 6ft with not much taller parents was asthmatic as a kid and very very skinny and ate barely okay.
Doing hgh etc is not natural.
Maybe if I did hgh I would become taller but that doesn't mean I stunted my growth because I havent used hgh.
With hgh you would have cheated your natural height.
Otherwise it is like saying that if a man is skinny he hasn't reached his potential to become 130kg beast with injecting kilos of steroids, while the reaility is that steroids, hgh etc is cheating, not true potential. The same happens with LL. Exactly the same.
So, our potential is not by injecting hgh but without it.
Otherwise, our potential is +15cm by doing 2 LLs and if we dont do them then we havent reached it.
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Never said I think I stunted my growth, which is really hard unless you are dirt poor. Just wishful thinking that if I ate meat and had a more optimal diet I would maybe end up fractionally taller (same as my dad or something like that) which as you said does not count as stunting your growth. Of course HGH is not natural and I did not count that as "stunting my growth" but I still had the possibility of having a small effect if I spotted it earlier.
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Someone entering late teens will be above target height. If everything is fine for the person, there will be an increase in height each year before entering puberty and there will be a jump in puberty.
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Never said I think I stunted my growth, which is really hard unless you are dirt poor. Just wishful thinking that if I ate meat and had a more optimal diet I would maybe end up fractionally taller (same as my dad or something like that) which as you said does not count as stunting your growth. Of course HGH is not natural and I did not count that as "stunting my growth" but I still had the possibility of having a small effect if I spotted it earlier.
Well said.
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Yea honestly all of us wish we pushed our parents to go to endocrinologist and nag the doctor to prescribe hgh, especially if we are under 170cm in a western country, as they start to prescribe for idiopathic short stature (short bcuz of genetics, not bcuz of hgh deficiency) Unfortunately we can't go back to the past so it's rly toxic for me to keep reminding me of that.
I actually asked my parents why they didn't push the doctor to monitor my growth more and they legitimately didn't know that HGH existed, so they feel remorseful and guilty. Obviously not their fault, HGH is still pretty sci-fi if you think about it, it's crazy such a drug exist and it definitely has saved the self esteems of thousands of would-be short kids that are now average or almost average because of this wonder drug.
When I have a child, I will ensure to monitor their growth. I want them to be at least average, or slightly under. If the doctor doesnt recommends HGH and my kid is like 6th percentile just above the "cutoff" for insurance, I'm still getting the kid HGH. Obviously height insecurities shouldn't be forced into my kid especially if they aren't upset about it, but I will give him the treatment because there's probably a high chance of neurosis developing once you turn into an adult, and at that point it's too late. If I have a daughter and she truly doesn't mind it, then it's probably fine. For my son tho we will have conversations about this and maybe he will reject it and I'll have to respect it. Or he'll be like the thousands of kids who were retroactively thankful their parents did this instead of refusing it because "muh needles". Whatever it is, I just want them to be happy.
And hgh risk/reward is so lopsided in favor of reward. People bitchin about like a 0.001% increased chance of cancer for the 2 or 3 years while on HGH, and basically gatekeep poor kids from feeling normal. fk those people and those doctors that don't prescribe to short kids who suffer
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I went to an endo over a year ago (and two more later) when I was 16 and they were remarkably useless, she outright denied I was short (I measured 166.5 / 5ft 5.5 there so either I grew or a mismeasurement - probably the latter) and recommended me a psychiatrist and all of them refused it and said I would grow 1 cm max and probably nothing with my bone age of 17 (now 18 and change) and have horrible joint problems and blah balh blah
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I went to an endo over a year ago (and two more later) and they were remarkably useless, she outright denied I was short (I measured 166.5 / 5ft 5.5 there so either I grew or a mismeasurement - probably the latter) and all of them refused it and said I would grow 1 cm max with my bone age of 17 (now 18 and change) and have horrible joint problems and blah balh blah
Man that sucks. Maybe it would've actually gave you a cm, but still, it's really bad they pick and choose based on statistics. Like a 5th percentile height kid gets this approved and then a 7th percentile kid gets hgh rejected because he's too tall. like that infuriates me.
Tell that kid whos 5'2 that "you're short enough to get HGH!" And then tell that 5'3 kid that "oh sorry, you're above the cutoff. Tough luck in this life. Try next reincarnation." Arbitrary like that. Honestly if the kid is having self esteem because of height there's no reason not to give em it.
People say studies show in NORMAL kids that prescribing hgh to non deficient kids only results in 3 inches more.
Bro, 5'5 vs 5'8 is a HUGE difference. They act like those 3 extra inches won't change someone's life?
fking gatekeepin lookin ass's bitchess
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It’s mostly genetic. But I guess a healthy and nutritious diet during childhood helps a lot.
My dad: 163cm
My mom: 160cm
Me (female): 155cm :(
My friend’s dad: 165cm
Her mom: 160cm
Her: 166cm !!!
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If each person's health status and hormone values are normal, it is mostly genetic. However, diet and sleep patterns, sports, age in adolescence, depression affect sleep patterns, but yes, mostly genetic
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No doubt.I think it's genetic .
My dad:162cm or so
My mum:158cm.
Me:162cm-163cm
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No doubt.I think it's genetic .
My dad:162cm or so
My mum:158cm.
Me:162cm-163cm
Your mum isn't that short. Only 4-5cm shorter than you? Most men tower over their mothers by at least 10cm or more.
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Your mum isn't that short. Only 4-5cm shorter than you? Most men tower over their mothers by at least 10cm or more.
It's obvious that I inherited my father's gene,so I said it was because of gene.My nutrition was all right.
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Most men tower over their mothers by at least 10cm or more.
Not if your dad is only slightly taller than your mom.
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Genetics.
My mother's family is short. My maternal grandpa was 5' 5", my paternal grandpa was around that height as well.
Mother is 5' 3", father is 5' 9". I'm 5' 7".
My oldest brother did manage to outgrow my dad by an inch, but I suppose that's because he was breastfed more than me maybe, or it's just genetic recombination. He's about 10 years older than me though, and I could still be growing as I'm not near 25 years of age yet. Perhaps I've still got a shy inch or two in me.
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Genetics but also played with roids in my teen years (14-15 y/o), mainly decaland depot.
Father is 1.73, mother is 1.65. Mother side: grandmother - 1.54, grandfather - 1.67, one uncle is 1.76 and the rest are below 1.70. Father side: grandmother - 1.67, grandfather - 1.71, aunt - 1.66. My siblings: older sister - 1.73, me - 1.78, brother - 1.79, sister - 1.67
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Not if your dad is only slightly taller than your mom.
I thought that was a part reason.
Actually My maternal grandpa is 163cm(But he is a little bit bowed but just a little bit.Maybe his maximum height was 165cm) and grandma is 150-cm(She is very short cuz before I graduated to Junior 2，when she passed away，I was 140-150cm tall then and I could still even look upon her).My uncle is 154-155cm or so(Shorter than my 156-158cm tall mother).But I dunno why my maternal females families are not short at all cuz their avegage height is 158-160cm but male families are short.In addition my paternal grandma and my father's elder sister are below 150cm and 140-145cm tall.My father is 162cm tall and my father's elder brother is 162cm too.
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Remember you could get the ht of your father or your mother plus 12 to 16 cm are you measuring it right for me i got my father which is 5.7 if i got my mother i will be 6 foot like both of my brothers
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you are my twin you start you puperty early becauz you get you mothers height
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i swear there is nothing called early sprut even though when i was 12 i was the tallest yeah the tallest in my school so that i will lean and go back to the back of the row to hide my ht i considerd it a curse back then stoped growing sadly
but here is the thing my brother had the same genetic sprut he is now 182 me 172 . pretty stupid to see you younger 12 yr brother bigger than you even though i got my dads height
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Genetics mainly
Dad is 5'7 Mum is 4'11
Grandfathers are 5'6 and 5'4
Sister is 5'1
I was a tiny baby. I was in the 2nd percentile or something. They predicted my height at birth to be 5'2
I did ok to get to get to 5'8 and a half to be honest. 5'9 and a bit, or 176cm was probably the absolute maximum I could've been
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I'm an SGA ((premature baby of one kind who not only was born earlier than normal babies but also my build is far smaller)cuz during pregnancy duration my mother didn't eat and drink enough cuz of poverty,and I didn't take in adequate nutritions(cuz the only food I can take in is my mother's breast milk)before 2 y.o to catch up peers' weights and heights.The ending is that of course my height ended below 5 percentile of millenials' average height.
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Thats so sad and crazy have a 12 years old brother who is taller than you by that much...I can understand if he was 14 or years old but 12 and 182..Just mad
That easily can make you insecured
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My father is 184 cm
My mother is 162 cm
I am 175cm... bad luck... hmmm.
I was a late bloomer, entered puberty late.
I had a broken arm as a kid (when I was 5)
My upbringing was "complicated"... lots of stress, divorce etc.
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My father is 184 cm
My mother is 162 cm
I am 175cm... bad luck... hmmm.
I was a late bloomer, entered puberty late.
I had a broken arm as a kid (when I was 5)
My upbringing was "complicated"... lots of stress, divorce etc.
Bad luck that you ended up in more than the middle of your parents heights?
Rigt dude, you should have been 1.90 at least but your broken arm stunted your growth
Many weirdos in this forum nowadays.
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Bad luck that you ended up in more than the middle of your parents heights?
Rigt dude, you should have been 1.90 at least but your broken arm stunted your growth
Yes, because most sons reach higher values... at least in middle Europe. For most sons it's the middle of both parents + 8 cm on top. It's sad that I didn't reach 1,80m.
One of my best friends... his father was 1,72m and his mother was 1,70m... he is 1,86m... that's luck ;) ;D
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Many weirdos in this forum nowadays.
Are you counting yourself in? ;D
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Most of people tends to prefer to feel deprived of something instead of think about bad genes. Unfortunately genes are weird and the predicted height is just a probability.
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Yes, because most sons reach higher values... at least in middle Europe. For most sons it's the middle of both parents + 8 cm on top. It's sad that I didn't reach 1,80m.
One of my best friends... his father was 1,72m and his mother was 1,70m... he is 1,86m... that's luck ;) ;D
If anyone was taller than his father then the human race would have had an average close to infinity.
You are lucky to be 1.75 but you are a weirdo to believe that you should have been taller than your 1.80 dad, although your mom is 1.62 because you can't accept the truth.
No, most sons don't become taller than their fathers but are about the average of their parents. That happened to me, that happened to jaden Smith who is 1.70 with a father more than 1.85 etc.
But some crying sissies like you can't accept the truth and feel unlucky because they haven't become the ideal height they have on their minds and even think that breaking their arm stunted their growth.
So everyone can understand who is the weirdo and the crazy one but unfortunately the forum is full of crybabies like you who blame anything for their height except from their genes.
And you are not even short! So either accept your height, which is completely normal considering your parents heights or do LL if you don't like it or go somewhere else to cry.
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If anyone was taller than his father then the human race would have had an average close to infinity.
You are lucky to be 1.75 but you are a weirdo to believe that you should have been taller than your 1.80 dad, although your mom is 1.62 because you can't accept the truth.
No, most sons don't become taller than their fathers but are about the average of their parents. That happened to me, that happened to jaden Smith who is 1.70 with a father more than 1.85 etc.
But some crying sissies like you can't accept the truth and feel unlucky because they haven't become the ideal height they have on their minds and even think that breaking their arm stunted their growth.
So everyone can understand who is the weirdo and the crazy one but unfortunately the forum is full of crybabies like you who blame anything for their height except from their genes.
And you are not even short! So either accept your height, which is completely normal considering your parents heights or do LL if you don't like it or go somewhere else to cry.
You are having some unresolved issues, bro... Don't take it out on me! ;)
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You are having some unresolved issues, bro... Don't take it out on me! ;)
I had some issues with my height that I fixed almost 10 years before.
For sure my problem wasn't than I ended up "only" 1.75 from an 1.62 mother nor that I stunted my growth because I broke my arm when I was 5 yo and that kind of bs you wrote.
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I had some issues with my height that I fixed almost 10 years before.
For sure my problem wasn't than I ended up "only" 1.75 from an 1.62 mother nor that I stunted my growth because I broke my arm when I was 5 yo and that kind of bs you wrote.
Why is it bull ? ;)
Where I live average male height at my age is 1,84m...
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This is solely a cope thread. Height is genetics. End of story. Maybe some who say they had kidney failure/chemotherapy or similar stuff as a child have a legit reason to suggest they had bad growth. People who say I smoked with 17 so I only grew 2 more cm instead of 10 or I never did much sport or I slept less don‘t get the reality of it. No, you did not stunt your growth, you inherited unfortunate genes.
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This is solely a cope thread. Height is genetics. End of story. Maybe some who say they had kidney failure/chemotherapy or similar stuff as a child have a legit reason to suggest they had bad growth. People who say I smoked with 17 so I only grew 2 more cm instead of 10 or I never did much sport or I slept less don‘t get the reality of it. No, you did not stunt your growth, you inherited unfortunate genes.
You are completely ignoring the environmental factors. Why are the kids of immigrants on average taller then the people back in their home countries? This is the environmental factor, mainly diet.
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More than 50 years ago diet was very different and fish/meat could be not so often available for many people overall and many chronic diseases were not always well treated, but the situation totally changed many decades ago, there's no reason to think that a person currently 20-30yrs old is short due to malnutrition unless he's from a so poor and wretched country/region that he wouldn't even be here to write about how can be bad feeling short.
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More than 50 years ago diet was very different and fish/meat could be not so often available for many people overall and many chronic diseases were not always well treated, but the situation totally changed many decades ago, there's no reason to think that a person currently 20-30yrs old is short due to malnutrition unless he's from a so poor and wretched country/region that he wouldn't even be here to write about how can be bad feeling short.
Data speaks for itself: https://voxeu.org/article/child-height-and-living-standards-indian-migrants-england
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I agree with Tartar but only in regards to already rich countries like USA and some European countries
India and China has grown significantly in the past 30 years so they would probably have a 30 year old person today that was indeed stunted in height. Especially China back then. They really took alot of people out of poverty and into the middle class, a ridiculous amount actually it's great. China has turned from nearly third world to second world in like 40 years (super fast) and in the coming 50 years will be first world. Now India is going to have the same effects in the coming 5-10 years and beyond too.
tldr; For an american who was raised there and wasn't abused- TarTar is right, it's likely not diet. SPhantom is absolutely right for most of the developing world though like India, China, etc, it probably is diet which correlates with wealth of country and stuff.
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I agree with Tartar but only in regards to already rich countries like USA and some European countries
India and China has grown significantly in the past 30 years so they would probably have a 30 year old person today that was indeed stunted in height. Especially China back then. They really took alot of people out of poverty and into the middle class, a ridiculous amount actually it's great. China has turned from nearly third world to second world in like 40 years (super fast) and in the coming 50 years will be first world. Now India is going to have the same effects in the coming 5-10 years and beyond too.
tldr; For an american who was raised there and wasn't abused- TarTar is right, it's likely not diet. SPhantom is absolutely right for most of the developing world though like India, China, etc, it probably is diet which correlates with wealth of country and stuff.
China was able to do it because of the amount of American companies manufacturing products there, bringing in a ton of jobs not to mention later having their IP stolen by Chinese companies. India isn't in the same boat as they make it very difficult to do business. Vietnam is a more likely candidate.
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Right, my bad sorry
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China will enslave us all. Yellow cancer.
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My daughter is very short (4'7) due to precocious puberty and genetics. I am 5'3 ,my husband is 5'6 .My older daughter from previous marriage is 5'5. My younger daughter is only 12 years old.I read that more and more kids experience precocious puberty and their growth plates clothes very early.I have learned that nobody cares ...People act like it is not a big deal.My stepson told me that his wife is also very short. Guess how tall is his wife? 5'1 ...Normal height for a woman. I have so many regrets as a parent ...I wish I would detect it earlier when hormone therapy was a possible choice.
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My father is 184 cm
My mother is 162 cm
I am 175cm... bad luck... hmmm.
I was a late bloomer, entered puberty late.
I had a broken arm as a kid (when I was 5)
My upbringing was "complicated"... lots of stress, divorce etc.
My parents got exactly the same height but I got 183/84 and my older brother 182.
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I presume from short parents. My dad is 5'6, my mom is 5'2, and I'm 5'7.5. Grandma is 5', grandpa is 5'7... and I never got to meet the other two.
My brother grew to 5'9 but he was always much chubbier than me. I'd eat just as much but always was very skinny.
I also had a lot of childhood stress when my mom had a stroke when I was 9 or so, and my dad couldn't manage handling a family. He was always stressed out and offloaded it unto me for emotionally walling myself away from my family. As an early teenager I was sleeping 6-7 hours a night but felt very sleep deprived and slept through a majority of my classes at school. Pretty sure most of my classmates and teachers thought I was on drugs. I never got bullied, but I also never had great friends or adults intervening to help me. I never aspired to be taller as a teenager - I didn't know what heights were considered tall, short, or even what my own height was. Just didn't care about myself back then.
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My parents got exactly the same height but I got 183/84 and my older brother 182.
You were lucky.
The normal heght for you with that parents would have been about 1.75.
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You were lucky.
The normal heght for you with that parents would have been about 1.75.
Or that he didn't fk up during his growing years like some of us did.
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You were lucky.
The normal heght for you with that parents would have been about 1.75.
thats not how it works. if there was one ancestor that was tall you might have just gotten a portion of his genetics and therefore grown over 180. as a short man you can get a lot of attention if you dress well and look good. its simple. but if you re a fuk boi u will be treated like one.
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Height is so variable no matter what parent heights are. The genes behind male pattern baldness for example are so complex that while a lot of it is describable by looking at your mother’s father’s hair, that’s only part of the picture and there are tons of ancient mutations that when combined in the right way will create baldness.
Height is a much harder to predict aspect because it involves genes around growth plate closure, hgh levels, when the growth spurt actually takes place, how much the torso grows (since it grows longer), limb length genetics, etc. A 185cm father and a 162cm mother can expect their sons to be about 182cm… this is based on studies that have been condensed down into orthopedic calculators and estimates. But realistically that son, without disorders, could range from 170cm to 195cm based upon that crazy combination of genes working either for or against your height potential. You start getting a slightly better idea of how tall you’d be if you look back three generations on each side, but even then that doesn’t explain a lot.
You didn’t stunt your growth as a kid unless you were severely malnourished to the point that in the world today largely only exists wide-scale in sub Saharan Africa, and even those countries have made large improvements to youth nourishment and hence have gotten a lot taller than they were under colonial powers. Even places like India today have the vast majority of their population at their genetic height potential.
So unless you live in a Cameroonian shanty town… and unless you chainsmoked a lot as a kid, drank lead paint or heavily contaminated water, or had major illnesses like cancer or pituitary gland problems… you didn’t stunt your growth. There’s no point in blaming yourself for something that was out of your control. ??? I guess if you want to have tall kids after surgery then make sure to marry women who are tall, even then no guarantees.
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You didn’t stunt your growth as a kid unless you were severely malnourished to the point that in the world today largely only exists wide-scale in sub Saharan Africa, and even those countries have made large improvements to youth nourishment and hence have gotten a lot taller than they were under colonial powers. Even places like India today have the vast majority of their population at their genetic height potential.
So unless you live in a Cameroonian shanty town… and unless you chainsmoked a lot as a kid, drank lead paint or heavily contaminated water, or had major illnesses like cancer or pituitary gland problems… you didn’t stunt your growth. There’s no point in blaming yourself for something that was out of your control. ??? I guess if you want to have tall kids after surgery then make sure to marry women who are tall, even then no guarantees.
I've seen this kind of talk very often here. Keep in mind that most of us don't want to admit that we fuked up in the past so it's easier to just draw such conclusion.
The truth is no one knows how much our environment and well-being affected our final heights.
This guy sums up perfectly:
(https://i.ibb.co/94pf2J8/Screenshot-7.png)
The best thing and the most logical thing to do would be actively trying to monitor and maximize our height when we had the chance. And not spending too much energy and losing sleep over unnecessary things that actually can wait later in life. Of course we didn't know any better back then, most of us would just hope to magically end up tall.
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I think some maybe haven't common biological educations so that will quarrel about genetics and nutritions are more crucial to height.Just divert ur time from playing PC games and watching Jav jerking off to consoling pediatricians and orthopedists about this dumb question.
I can only tell ya every scientific paper will prove u genetics are the most crucial to height.Let's finish this topic.
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I've seen this kind of talk very often here. Keep in mind that most of us don't want to admit that we fuked up in the past so it's easier to just draw such conclusion.
The truth is no one knows how much our environment and well-being affected our final heights.
This guy sums up perfectly:
(https://i.ibb.co/94pf2J8/Screenshot-7.png)
The best thing and the most logical thing to do would be actively trying to monitor and maximize our height when we had the chance. And not spending too much energy and losing sleep over unnecessary things that actually can wait later in life. Of course we didn't know any better back then, most of us would just hope to magically end up tall.
That's why we can see some dumbasses can codswallop if it weren't for masturbations,picky about food,no exericses they could've grown 185cm or 190cm tall cuz their genes permit LOL.
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Not enough beans.
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That's why we can see some dumbasses can codswallop if it weren't for masturbations,picky about food,no exericses they could've grown 185cm or 190cm tall cuz their genes permit LOL.
Yeah it doesn't necessarily have to be 185cm-190cm. Even 3-5cm stunted would be a legitimate stunted.
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You are completely ignoring the environmental factors. Why are the kids of immigrants on average taller then the people back in their home countries? This is the environmental factor, mainly diet.
You should get aware of away countries' diets and if u immigrate from European countries into middle Africa then it's ridiculous to imagine kids will mature to strong and tall build.
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If anyone was taller than his father then the human race would have had an average close to infinity.
You are lucky to be 1.75 but you are a weirdo to believe that you should have been taller than your 1.80 dad, although your mom is 1.62 because you can't accept the truth.
No, most sons don't become taller than their fathers but are about the average of their parents. That happened to me, that happened to jaden Smith who is 1.70 with a father more than 1.85 etc.
But some crying sissies like you can't accept the truth and feel unlucky because they haven't become the ideal height they have on their minds and even think that breaking their arm stunted their growth.
So everyone can understand who is the weirdo and the crazy one but unfortunately the forum is full of crybabies like you who blame anything for their height except from their genes.
And you are not even short! So either accept your height, which is completely normal considering your parents heights or do LL if you don't like it or go somewhere else to cry.
It's of no necessarities to insult someone simply bc he perceives himself as having stunted his growth by no matter how many centimeters but once I obtained more bizarre experience that I was faced to a weirdo said I stunted my growth cuz I committed masturbations in my puberty and he said I shoulda grown taller to 178cm-180cm and that's a normal play.
My mother:158cm My father:162cm looks like it's sure I stunted cuz I'm only a 162cm tall male adult but my paternal and maternal grandmas are 143,146cm tall.
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It's of no necessarities to insult someone simply bc he perceives himself as having stunted his growth by no matter how many centimeters but once I obtained more bizarre experience that I was faced to a weirdo said I stunted my growth cuz I committed masturbations in my puberty and he said I shoulda grown taller to 178cm-180cm and that's a normal play.
My mother:158cm My father:162cm looks like it's sure I stunted cuz I'm only a 162cm tall male adult but my paternal and maternal grandmas are 143,146cm tall.
There is no way to know that you didn't stunt your growth. Like I said, the most ideal would be to worry about it since the beginning, not when it's already too late. If we had bad habits in the past, we just have to accept that we MIGHT have stunted our growth.
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There is no way to know that you didn't stunt your growth. Like I said, the most ideal would be to worry about it since the beginning, not when it's already too late. If we had bad habits in the past, we just have to accept that we MIGHT have stunted our growth.
Then I think most ppl have stunted their growths cuz barely nobody can succeed not having bad habits especially before and in puberty unless u talk about taking drugs and have s**x with chicks.So it's ridiculous and implausible to assume if no bad habits you can grow from 160-170cm to 180-190cm.That's just our fantasies for better selves.
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Then I think most ppl have stunted their growths cuz barely nobody can succeed not having bad habits especially before and in puberty unless u talk about taking drugs and have s**x with chicks.So it's ridiculous and implausible to assume if no bad habits you can grow from 160-170cm to 180-190cm.That's just our fantasies for better selves.
You clearly haven't been listening. Listen carefully what I said.
Yeah it doesn't necessarily have to be 185cm-190cm. Even 3-5cm stunted would be a legitimate stunted.
And saying that every growing kid has bad habits is wrong and ignorant. I knew a lot of kids who always slept before 10PM, drank high-calcium milk their entire childhood, never had any serious issues during their entire growing years.
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You clearly haven't been listening. Listen carefully what I said.
And saying that every growing kid has bad habits is wrong and ignorant. I knew a lot of kids who always slept before 10PM, drank high-calcium milk their entire childhood, never had any serious issues during their entire growing years.
In my country due to study pressures a lot of kids gotta sleep after 10PM even as pupils and not prone to exercises but not malnutritions.I guess maybe I'm an east Asian and u r a European so it's country difference.