Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: Arrogance on August 17, 2020, 02:39:32 PM
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Sorry if this topic was made already. Let's hear out some stories.
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Dont make this forum r/short
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It's not my intention. My intention is for LL veterans and planers to share their stories of how discrimination changed them.
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Dont make this forum r/short
This is silly. Ignoring height descrimination on this forum is like ignoring sunlight for plants. If it weren't for height descrimination people wouldn't want to be taller.
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There are plenty of people who have experienced minimal discrimination and do this to simply removing that nagging voice in the back of their head that makes them feel like and unhappy. Height discrimination exists, but I read just as many diaries where the person did not face significant height discrimination and/or did the surgery because of height discrimination.
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Sixth grade performing arts. ghkid, I believe I already told you this story.
I had filled out a list of preferred roles for the skits we would be performing for our families and also in front of the entire school. Then, when the roles were announced, I was assigned a childish role that I had intentionally excluded from my list. The teacher said right after, "You'd make a good (character name)!"
I knew immediately that it was at least partially and if not entirely height-related. Until I started homeschooling in 7th grade, I went to a small private K-8 school and I was always THE shortest kid in my grade, no question about it. (Until I was 12 or 13 I had NEVER met a kid my age shorter than me, if that's saying something). There were no similarities besides me being small and short. I was also very self-aware, which is why my height dysphoria started as soon as 5 years old rather than my teenage years. There was no way I was going to play that part and portray myself as the least mature kid as well.
I tried multiple times to politely bring it up with the teacher.
Attempt 1:
Me: May I have a different part? I didn't put this part on my list.
Teacher: That's what you wanted! You wanted a lot of lines. (Of course what I got isn't what I wanted, otherwise I wouldn't be bringing it up.)
Me: But I don't want to be laughed at in ways I wouldn't want to be laughed at. (aka by acting childish)
Teacher: That's all a part of being an actor.
(I didn't know how to respond)
Attempt 2 ended in her gently saying "Oh, stop fussing!". I knew I couldn't accept that because it was a huge deal to me and the teacher was taking my issue extremely lightly. For attempt 3, I kind of broke down and did something a bit less peaceful, which got me into a lot of trouble, but ultimately got me assigned a different part.
Anyway, this is one of my biggest stories about height discrimination. I have some that are arguably worse, but those are a little less discrimination and more overall just made me feel bad about my height.
Currently I'm happy with everything else about my body except for my height. If I were in a virtual universe like the OASIS in Ready Player One, I could imagine my character being a taller version of myself.
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I didn't discriminate either, I'll feel better, that's all
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There are plenty of people who have experienced minimal discrimination and do this to simply removing that nagging voice in the back of their head that makes them feel like and unhappy. Height discrimination exists, but I read just as many diaries where the person did not face significant height discrimination and/or did the surgery because of height discrimination.
People aren't unhappy with a trait for no reason if it didn't impact them in a negative way. To me they're or the less the same issue. I don't know why we have to pretend like height discrimination isn't a big factor in getting LL. This is clearly obvious to everyone. The problem is the discrimination not short people. If there was no discrimination against short people then people wouldn't dislike being short.
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This is not entirely true, it does not have to be discriminatory to complain about height. Everyone below the average will feel short, long height being the most important factor today is among the sufficient reasons.
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This is not entirely true, it does not have to be discriminatory to complain about height. Everyone below the average will feel short, long height being the most important factor today is among the sufficient reasons.
Well nobody said you couldn't complain about height but why don't you want people talking about height discrimination? I'm only doing this because I am sick of the discrimination and bullying. It's the reason why I started hating my height and I bet that's why most short people hate their height too. It also gave me poor self esteem and neurosis. There is a reason why you don't like being shorter than everyone else because being shorter makes you prone to more discrimination thus lowering your quality of life and increasing it's difficulty. That's why they are more or less the same issue. If I just felt shorter than everyone else then I would not get this surgery. Everyone has some sort of issue with their legs even years after post op. It will without a doubt affect your body and you'll never be the same.
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I have never been discriminated or bullied because of my height. There, I said it. You have a close minded view of other people. You think the world revolves around and works the way you think it works for you. You will never accept if someone else doesn't have the same experience or motives as you. With that mindset, you will never accept other people's realities, and there is no opportunity to grow in your mindset. Thank you for telling me, the reason why I want to do this surgery, because you obviously know more about me than myself.
Don't get me wrong, height discrimination absolutely exists. And it may very well be the reason you or others do this operation. But don't be naive and put a blanket statement out like that, saying everyone does this surgery for one reason. You don't know me, I don't know you.
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I have never been discriminated or bullied because of my height. There, I said it. You have a close minded view of other people. You think the world revolves around and works the way you think it works for you. You will never accept if someone else doesn't have the same experience or motives as you. With that mindset, you will never accept other people's realities, and there is no opportunity to grow in your mindset. Thank you for telling me, the reason why I want to do this surgery, because you obviously know more about me than myself.
Don't get me wrong, height discrimination absolutely exists. And it may very well be the reason you or others do this operation. But don't be naive and put a blanket statement out like that, saying everyone does this surgery for one reason. You don't know me, I don't know you.
Why are you so offended? Okay so then tell me why you don't like being short? I didn't say everyone wants LL because of height discrimination. I said it doesn't matter whether people want to do LL because they don't like being short or were bullied for their height because the root cause of it is the same. Shortness is a negative and unwanted trait. Height is on a linear scale so the lower you go the worse treatment you get and the more likely to get descriminated. If you're nearing on average then you're short but not short enough to stand out but hey if you didn't get bullied for your height then count yourself lucky. It's not because you are a stronger person. Descrimination doesn't just have to be bullying, it can be subtle and non-direct like not getting hired or promoted over taller people or people being dismissive to you, showing you less respect, harder to get dates etc. There's a reason why you don't like being short or shorter than everybody and whether it's bullying or not doesn't matter because being short is disadvantageous.
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Why are you so offended? Okay so then tell me why you don't like being short? I didn't say everyone wants LL because of height discrimination. I said it doesn't matter whether people want to do LL because they don't like being short or were bullied for their height because the root cause of it is the same. Shortness is a negative and unwanted trait. Height is on a linear scale so the lower you go the worse treatment you get and the more likely to get descriminated. If you're nearing on average then you're short but not short enough to stand out but hey if you didn't get bullied for your height then count yourself lucky. It's not because you are a stronger person. Descrimination doesn't just have to be bullying, it can be subtle and non-direct like not getting hired or promoted over taller people or people being dismissive to you, showing you less respect, harder to get dates etc. There's a reason why you don't like being short or shorter than everybody and whether it's bullying or not doesn't matter because being short is disadvantageous.
Did I say I was stronger? Did I say I was offended? I was just being very passionate and vocal, apologies.
I don't like being short because I feel ugly and uncomfortable in my own skin.
Take what I say with a grain of salt, I am young anyways.
1) workplace height discrimination is real, agreed. I'm sure if I entered the corporate world I would face heightism, don't plan to though.
2) conscious/subconsciously showing disrespect or less respect to short people is real, I do it as well, subconsciously and obviously I shouldn't. Agreed
3)dating preferences is not discrimination. It's a preference. Me not wanting to date a black person is not racism/discrimination. Me not wanting to date a down syndrome person is not disability discrimination. It's a preference. Women can date who the heck they want, a short date is just not some women's type. Not discrimination imo.
I do not feel discriminated at all, the worse was waiters underestimating my age because I was short. That's not discrimination, that's called being human. I have the height of someone younger than who I truly am. So it makes logical sense to assume I'm younger than I am. Being picked last for basketball games during school. That's not discrimination, that's logic. Height is important for victory in basketball, so it makes perfect sense, last thing I want is to be pitied for something irrelevant to the task at hand.
I simply want to do this surgery for 80% to be comfortable in my own skin. Not hate myself or feel ugly. Neurosis. Stop fixating on my height 23 hours in a day. And 20% for improved opposite sxx relations.
Height discrimination exists. I'm sure people look down on me and give less respect to me for being short. I know it will be harder for me to get a job or move up in ranks of I'm going into nepotistic careers (luckily I'm planning on doing something else). But these things are mostly trivial to me but they matter, but it definitely would not warrant or justify spending money and crippling myself to fix. I frankly will still be able to sleep well at night if these things happen to me, and I'll still have motivation in life.
Everything changes when you look at yourself in a dreadful way though.
Take everything I say with a grain of salt. I am young after all, and naive. I want to do this mostly for myself. Mostly.
Apologies for the angry post before as well.
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HEIGHTISM IS A MYTH. WAKE THE FUK UP.
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I guess I can post this here.
6ft+ Brendan Schaub Snob mocking short people who (wanna) do LL on Joe Rogan podcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOSiI4WHUUM
At the beginning he talks about how tough life must be for someone who's 5'2/5'3.
Then they both wonder how crazy people who do LL must be, they have mental health issues + height dysphoria is a mental disorder.
-"Just get a skill, get funny" he says;
Contradicting himself (-"that's a tough life if you are that short", earlier).
Like the 6' guy won't have any skills or won't be funny, because it's super difficult to be funny if you're tall, and anyway, you'll make up for your crappy height with being funny and have a skill or two.
Short people go through this painful, expensive as hell, risky surgery hate their height. Hate it.
It's not only that women prefer tall men (which is generally true), we have a world filled with 'tall arrogant idiots' who have opinions on short people's issues/struggles with their height, criticize them, like in the video, and some even making fun of them.
Oh and by the way making fun of short people is alright, 'healthy' lazy fat arses who can't stop eating and get off their couch is not.
At least the guys in the comment section seem more reasonable and open minded.
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Who cares about what a clown says?
After all he looks like so he can't give any advice about what a man should do to become attractive.
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I absolutely "love" how guys who are all 6 feet and up tell shorter guys to "just do this" or "just do that." Yeah...when you're 6 foot and above you can do "this" or "that" and perhaps someone will take note. And getting this procedure done is certainly not solely to get women...but if you're 5'3" NO chick cares how funny you are or what "skill" you may have. Plain and simple. As a matter of fact, most women are offended that short men are even allowed to breathe the same air that they do.
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When my wife and I were at a house viewing last year, the owner explained to us that the ceilings of the house were built extra high because of her husband’s height. Then she looked at us and said, “Given YOUR height, though, high ceilings are not really an advantage.”
(I’m 5’11”, and my wife is 5’6”.)
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When my wife and I were at a house viewing last year, the owner explained to us that the ceilings of the house were built extra high because of her husband’s height. Then she looked at us and said, “Given YOUR height, though, high ceilings are not really an advantage.”
(I’m 5’11”, and my wife is 5’6”.)
Are u gonna get LL even tho ur married? What u gonna tell ur wife lol
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Are u gonna get LL even tho ur married? What u gonna tell ur wife lol
I haven’t really decided yet. And yeah, my wife will definitely try to talk me out of it if I decide to do it. I guess it would make more sense for me (and my family) to simply move to a different part of the world where the average height is lower. As mentioned in another thread, I live in a city where only immigrants, like myself, seem to be < 6’1” (the official average male height is 184 cm). But again, I haven’t made up my mind yet.
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I haven’t really decided yet. And yeah, my wife will definitely try to talk me out of it if I decide to do it. I guess it would make more sense for me (and my family) to simply move to a different part of the world where the average height is lower. As mentioned in another thread, I live in a city where only immigrants, like myself, seem to be < 6’1” (the official average male height is 184 cm). But again, I haven’t made up my mind yet.
6'1 average holy. You in Germany or Netherlands or something?
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6'1 average holy. You in Germany or Netherlands or something?
I don’t feel comfortable disclosing too much personal information, but I can tell you that I live in Northern Europe. Fortunately, I’m still considered handsome and regularly receive compliments about my looks—and, most importantly, I’m married to the woman of my dreams—BUT I still feel super insecure about my height, especially at work. Only two of my male co-workers are shorter than me, and they’re both in their fifties—all others are > 6’2” (unfortunately, I’m not exaggerating). And even though my height is not preventing me from being promoted etc., it simply sucks that all the guys my age are much taller than me.
Just as an additional note, I‘m well aware that many people here on this forum are in a worse position than me and that my height neurosis may seem ridiculous to some of you.
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When my wife and I were at a house viewing last year, the owner explained to us that the ceilings of the house were built extra high because of her husband’s height. Then she looked at us and said, “Given YOUR height, though, high ceilings are not really an advantage.”
(I’m 5’11”, and my wife is 5’6”.)
Thats a very important reason to do LL...especially when you are married.
Some people here are really mentally ill and its a pity to do LL, something so hard and only for the brave, because they'll end up way worse.
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Thats a very important reason to do LL...especially when you are married.
Some people here are really mentally ill and its a pity to do LL, something so hard and only for the brave, because they'll end up way worse.
I’m two inches below the male average height where I live. You’re average height where you live and are still thinking about doing another surgery. Or am I wrong?
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I’m two inches below the male average height where I live. You’re average height where you live and are still thinking about doing another surgery. Or am I wrong?
At 5.11, even if you are 2 inches less than average (although I don't know any country with an average height of 6.1), you still have a respectable height.
5.5 is pretty average for India but it is short worldwide for a man so there are plenty reasons to do LL. So being completely average in your town is not so important to have something so massive like LL when your height is very good for a man generally. Especially when just an "owner" mentioned that high ceilings are not important for you which is something normal but only someone with major height complexes would think as something bad.
So, at 5.11 and with a wife it is really stupid to do LL. You have only to lose. However it is completely up to you to risk for nothing.
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(I’m 5’11”)
Fortunately, I’m still considered handsome and regularly receive compliments about my looks
I don't understand how no one realized that this guy is just humblebragging. The same reason, as a average-dcked guy, I would go to r/smalldckproblems to feel better about meself.
@NotSoBigBadBruin As for you man, just want to let you know that I don't resent you in the slightest. I only resent ethnic males who are taller than me. Other than that, I feel ok. But your revelation above is basically a confirmation that none of the things you say should be taken seriously.
Peace man :)
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After all he looks like so he can't give any advice about what a man should do to become attractive.
I think Brendan looks alright, tbh (not the bald guy; that's Joe).
I don't understand how no one realized that this guy is just humblebragging. The same reason, as a average-dcked guy, I would go to r/smalldckproblems to feel better about meself.
Lmao, I didn't know that community existed.
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@ Bruce Wayne
Are you fking kidding? You haven’t been to countries such as the Netherlands or Denmark, have you?
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The average in Denmark is not 185.
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@ Bruce Wayne
Are you fking kidding? You haven’t been to countries such as the Netherlands or Denmark, have you?
According to a study conducted by one of the most reputable universities in the country, the official average male height in the city where I live is 184 cm (which is slightly above the national average). And if it weren’t for the large number of immigrants, it would probably be around 6’1” (the same applies to Denmark, but it would be around 6’0” there).
I don’t expect someone from Turkey to understand my height neurosis. I’ve been to Turkey more than ten times (I love Turkey!) and always felt above average there.
I never felt short back in my home country or in the US (where I went to university) either, and I’m well aware that 5’11” is a good height almost anywhere in the world. But when I moved to Northern Europe, I immediately started feeling insecure about my height. None of my male friends here are < 6 ft, and my wife has quite a few female friends who are > 6 ft (my wife also feels short here, but it’s not a big deal for her).
So if you think I’m here to brag about being 5’11”, please visit the Netherlands and Denmark and see what it’s like to be surrounded by giants all the time.
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I think everyone has a right to have height neurosis no matter what they're starting height is. If everyone around me is giants and I'm 6'0, I'll probably have height neurosis too.
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I don’t expect someone from Turkey to understand my height neurosis. I’ve been to Turkey more than ten times (I love Turkey!) and always felt above average there.
He didn't answer where he's from.
I think you confused him with 'a', who's from Turkey. http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65489.msg179248#msg179248
I never felt short back in my home country or in the US (where I went to university) either, and I’m well aware that 5’11” is a good height almost anywhere in the world. But when I moved to Northern Europe, I immediately started feeling insecure about my height. None of my male friends here are < 6 ft, and my wife has quite a few female friends who are > 6 ft (my wife also feels short here, but it’s not a big deal for her).
So if you think I’m here to brag about being 5’11”, please visit the Netherlands and Denmark and see what it’s like to be surrounded by giants all the time.
Some people in this forum don't understand that country's average height is the most important number to compare your height with - for your age; not India's 165/168/[..]cm whatever or 'average men's worldwide' for example.
Others call cowards those who eventually don't do LL.
Yeah..
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According to a study conducted by one of the most reputable universities in the country, the official average male height in the city where I live is 184 cm (which is slightly above the national average). And if it weren’t for the large number of immigrants, it would probably be around 6’1” (the same applies to Denmark, but it would be around 6’0” there).
I don’t expect someone from Turkey to understand my height neurosis. I’ve been to Turkey more than ten times (I love Turkey!) and always felt above average there.
I never felt short back in my home country or in the US (where I went to university) either, and I’m well aware that 5’11” is a good height almost anywhere in the world. But when I moved to Northern Europe, I immediately started feeling insecure about my height. None of my male friends here are < 6 ft, and my wife has quite a few female friends who are > 6 ft (my wife also feels short here, but it’s not a big deal for her).
So if you think I’m here to brag about being 5’11”, please visit the Netherlands and Denmark and see what it’s like to be surrounded by giants all the time.
Ok man, I don't really care to be honest. Just keep doing whatever you're doing.
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Thanks, ghkid2019 and O_99! If I were still living in Southern Europe or the US, I definitely wouldn’t be here on this forum.
And O_99 is totally right, I confused Bruce Wayne with a (again).
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He didn't answer where he's from.
I think you confused him with 'a', who's from Turkey. http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65489.msg179248#msg179248
Some people in this forum don't understand that country's average height is the most important number to compare your height with - for your age; not India's 165/168/[..]cm whatever or 'average men's worldwide' for example.
Others call cowards those who eventually don't do LL.
Yeah..
If someone has height neurosis and he doesn't do LL, the only way to get taller, then yes he is a coward and don't deserve nothing else from misery.
Because brave people fight to make things better, they don't moan for something that they can change .
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According to a study conducted by one of the most reputable universities in the country, the official average male height in the city where I live is 184 cm (which is slightly above the national average). And if it weren’t for the large number of immigrants, it would probably be around 6’1” (the same applies to Denmark, but it would be around 6’0” there).
I don’t expect someone from Turkey to understand my height neurosis. I’ve been to Turkey more than ten times (I love Turkey!) and always felt above average there.
I never felt short back in my home country or in the US (where I went to university) either, and I’m well aware that 5’11” is a good height almost anywhere in the world. But when I moved to Northern Europe, I immediately started feeling insecure about my height. None of my male friends here are < 6 ft, and my wife has quite a few female friends who are > 6 ft (my wife also feels short here, but it’s not a big deal for her).
So if you think I’m here to brag about being 5’11”, please visit the Netherlands and Denmark and see what it’s like to be surrounded by giants all the time.
Maybe you don't work out.
I am 5.95 and I rarely feel small besides other men and when I do, they are generally men over 110-20 kg with really big muscles. Height has nothing to do with that. I feel much bigger next to 6.2 ft men who are 80kg and I am bigger.
So, you must be very slim to feel so inferior or simply your height neurosis is very bad. I think that you should work out a lot and maybe you'll feel better as most scandinavians are very tall but with bodies like boys.
Try other things first and then think about LL.
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Maybe you don't work out.
I am 5.95 and I rarely feel small besides other men and when I do, they are generally men over 110-20 kg with really big muscles. Height has nothing to do with that. I feel much bigger next to 6.2 ft men who are 80kg and I am bigger.
So, you must be very slim to feel so inferior or simply your height neurosis is very bad. I think that you should work out a lot and maybe you'll feel better as most scandinavians are very tall but with bodies like boys.
Try other things first and then think about LL.
You’re right, I’m quite skinny. I used to be much more muscular but stopped working out when I became a dad. But I’ll try to follow your advice, because even if it doesn’t cure my height neurosis, it will certainly boost my confidence. Thanks!
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Which country do you live in? Heightwise how many % of people would you estimate as being taller and shorter than you? Because I think it's a European country and I'll be a similar height post LL and it should be much better here in Asia
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If someone has height neurosis and he doesn't do LL, the only way to get taller, then yes he is a coward and don't deserve nothing else from misery.
Because brave people fight to make things better, they don't moan for something that they can change .
No.
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He didn't answer where he's from.
I think you confused him with 'a', who's from Turkey. http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65489.msg179248#msg179248
Some people in this forum don't understand that country's average height is the most important number to compare your height with - for your age; not India's 165/168/[..]cm whatever or 'average men's worldwide' for example.
Others call cowards those who eventually don't do LL.
Yeah..
If you believe that country's average height is the most important number, then I've provided you an easy solution.
So basically you want to live in one of the most advanced countries in the world, filled with the best-looking and tallest people and you wanted to be 6'2" yourself instead of 5'8" to be able to compete with the other guys.
That sounds like something any 5'3" Indian guy or anyone for that matter would dream of.
If someone has height neurosis and he doesn't do LL, the only way to get taller, then yes he is a coward and don't deserve nothing else from misery.
Because brave people fight to make things better, they don't moan for something that they can change .
Let me put it this way.
Without LL, we're gonna be tortured mentally.
With LL, we're gonna be tortured physically. (That not being said that we will be completely freed from mental torture after LL)
I don't feel so sure that it's a win in the end. But maybe I'll change my mind one day.
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If you believe that country's average height is the most important number, then I've provided you an easy solution.
It's not an easy solution. It's not worth it. The drawbacks of moving to India to 'look taller' outweigh the advantages. Not that hard to follow. The most important number to compare your height with. Not the most important number in your life.
So basically you want to live in one of the most advanced countries in the world, filled with the best-looking and tallest people and you wanted to be 6'2" yourself instead of 5'8" to be able to compete with the other guys.
That sounds like something any 5'3" Indian guy or anyone for that matter would dream of.
You must be joking, right? Is my country one of the most advanced in the world? (Like Germany/Scandinavian ones/USA)
Not even close.
It's like comparing Landa with BMW.
I don't want to move away from country, and never said I want to, which by the way, isn't filled with the best looking or tallest people in the world.
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As if people in shorter countries, specifically women ever stops preferring tall men at anyplace and anytime. And if you're of a different ethnicity then the natives will just look down upon you since your ethnicities' average is expected to be taller, lose-lose either way. You'd have to be a mental midget to follow this line of reasoning and conclude such hogwash.
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No.
Ok. Moaning like a small girl about being short and the everyday drawbacks that has to do with it and discrimination stories etc is for the braves, doing LL to get rid from all these is for cowards...whatever.
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If you believe that country's average height is the most important number, then I've provided you an easy solution.
So basically you want to live in one of the most advanced countries in the world, filled with the best-looking and tallest people and you wanted to be 6'2" yourself instead of 5'8" to be able to compete with the other guys.
That sounds like something any 5'3" Indian guy or anyone for that matter would dream of.
Let me put it this way.
Without LL, we're gonna be tortured mentally.
With LL, we're gonna be tortured physically. (That not being said that we will be completely freed from mental torture after LL)
I don't feel so sure that it's a win in the end. But maybe I'll change my mind one day.
Mentally torture is always the worse and lasts forever, while pain from LL lasts only a few months and then you can live in peace of mind without struggling 10 times mores in life (especially on dating) because you lack a few inches.
It IS a win at the end, I did it and I know.much better than people who just moan about how bad life is when you are short without doing anything about it.
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Mentally torture is always the worse and lasts forever, while pain from LL lasts only a few months and then you can live in peace of mind without struggling 10 times mores in life (especially on dating) because you lack a few inches.
It IS a win at the end, I did it and I know.much better than people who just moan about how bad life is when you are short without doing anything about it.
Not necessarily. Seems that it could last for more than 'a few months'.
The answer is still yes, but we'll see. I'm noticing more tightness in my legs now in my late 30s, 12 years after doing the surgery.
Do you know your time for sprinting 0-100 meters?
I did my 7cm on tibias in 2013 and have now achieved the highest level of competitive martial arts - for men in my age(40+).
Of course I have aches and pain many days, but in 2 weeks I’ll be competing in European Championships! I’m just so happy to be “back in the game” again. I’ve achieved more than I ever thought was possible after having done LL, especially with my kind of complications.
Hi everyone,
Just giving you a small update on my 5th surgery which took place last Saturday at Kings College Hospital. Because my slated operation needed 2 surgeons, one for my femur and the other to harvest bone from my hips, the only way possible was to make them come in on a weekend and that they did with no hesitation (respekt!).
I've been so anxious about this surgery that for once in my life, I had nothing to add or say. How could things go so wrong that my right guichet nail had to break too? Not to mention the continuous hopeless non-union of my right leg.
At least things happened quickly, I didn't get to enjoy any benzodiazapine cktail before the big countdown to sleep. I just woke up and was told, it's over, your doc will tell you more tomorrow.
Wheeled back to my room, I was attended by many because they couldn't get my blood pressure above 65 but I tried to tell them that's kinda my range. I remember in Milan during my 3rd surgery, when my blood pressure plummetted, they called a priest.
I was observed every 15 minutes 24/7 for fever, infections, blood tests, IV antibiotics, IV painkillers, IV saline, my long scars/wound sites checked twice a day - in addition to sheet changes everytime I pee/bleed, shower and shampoo, movies 'n meals in bed... I'm starting to think twice about leaving this Club Med.
My doctor finally appeared on Monday morning and while she always has her serious face on, she was almost skipping like a child telling me that she was able to remove the broken guichet nail through the original insertion hole. They were fearful that the nail had disintergrated into so many pieces, they had to slice me open like a frog, and fish around for 'shrapnel'.
Instead, my doc was able to yank everything out intact and lost only 1 bob inside me where she had to do some digging. She replaced the guichet nail with a 12mm trauma nail using the same pin sites and chiselled out a chunk of my iliac crest (hip) to fill my non-union gap like a kebab. She mentioned that there was significant metal contamination and had to scrub my insides out (whatever that means, rust?). She felt sorry for my freak-show number of scars and asked if I would let her remove my keloids while she had me on the operating table. I told her I also needed a face lift, boob job and tummy tuck if ever she got bored.
So that's that. No shortening needed as the 2018 bone graft held up so much so that when they removed the Guichet nail, my entire right leg didn't collapse. Once the new trauma nail was stabilized in place, all they had to do was supplement my empty right gaps with fresh hip bones.
The one thought that kept coming back to me is this. The NHS has me hospitalized for 3.5 weeks because they deemed this surgery high risk and invasive. Hence, I'm being fussed about day and night with pressure/temperature checks every 15 minutes, antibiotic drips, painkillers, physio, wound checks, scans/xrays/tests and even blood transfusions, to prevent sepsis, gangrene, embolism, blood clots, necrotising bacteria not to mention COVID.
Now, when I compare this NHS aftercare to my Guichet Milan experience in 2017 - where I had my left leg nail removed, accidentally broken by Guichet, replaced with a new nail, osteotomy to rebreak my left leg, marrow harvested from 2 hip bones and grafted onto my right non-union gap. Both surgeries are essentially quite similar with 1 giant difference: Guichet discharged me from the hospital after 1 night while NHS looks after me for 3.5 weeks.
I had suffered after that surgery just as much as I have after this recent one, none more than any other surgery patient. I couldn't move at all, couldn't pee, couldn't eat, couldn't sit up, was in agonizing pain etc. However, how can a doctor or any decent human being, risk the life of his patient by limiting their hospital stay to save costs?
I don't think NHS is exaggerating when they constantly check for fevers, biopsies, give heparin shots, monitor wound site, change sheets, dvt socks, endless imaging, blood tests and scans... when in comparison, I was given a pharmacy prescription to fill by myself, when checking out of the Milan hospital after 1 night.
I remember being so angry with myself then because I was all alone at the Radisson Blu Milan and was in so much pain, I couldn't move from the bed, had to pee into trash cans and was marinating in the same bedsheet of urine and blood for days. It wasn't down to Radisson Blu's staff to care for me, it should have been the job of a hospital. And the irony is I was a paying patient of Guichet's in Milan 2017 and am now, a free patient at the NHS in 2020.
These 2 stark experiences upset me still, because the sheer day and night difference in aftercare btw Guichet and NHS simply shows how unnecessarily I had suffered and risked, in the hands of a doctor who prioritizes profit margins over life.
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Which country do you live in? Heightwise how many % of people would you estimate as being taller and shorter than you? Because I think it's a European country and I'll be a similar height post LL and it should be much better here in Asia
It is very rare to see white guys < 6 ft where I live, and there are plenty of women > 6 ft. I even know two girls (friends of friends) who are 193 cm and 195 cm, respectively.
So if you’re already insecure about your height, it’s not a great idea to move to Northern European countries such as the Netherlands or Denmark. This is not applicable to all European countries, though. I’ve never felt short in Southern European countries such as Portugal or Italy.
But if you plan to stay in Asia anyway, you don’t need to worry at all. 5’11” is a great height there; you’ll certainly be well above average.
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Not necessarily. Seems that it could last for more than 'a few months'.
Yes, if things go wrong.
You can even die in the surgery. But also, you could die in a car accident when going to work.
LL with a good doctor most and without extreme lengthening is safe and all these problems (like the one I had too with at overlengthening which I fixed with another surgery) could be avoided.
But its ok for someome to not take even the slightest risk and live all his life in misery but completely safe.
Thats why I said that LL is for the braves and not anyone.
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Yes, if things go wrong.
You can even die in the surgery. But also, you could die in a car accident when going to work.
LL with a good doctor most and without extreme lengthening is safe and all these problems (like the one I had too with at overlengthening which I fixed with another surgery) could be avoided.
But its ok for someome to not take even the slightest risk and live all his life in misery but completely safe.
Thats why I said that LL is for the braves and not anyone.
I don't know if it's 'a slight' risk man. Because it seems to me that things often go wrong more than not.
Apart from the 3 people I mentioned above (2 of which are veterans), there is you. But if I am not mistaken your surgery was more recent than Sweden and Medium of Drink Water.
Then there is Android. Did the surgery 2 years ago, suffered nerve damage, hasn't been back until now: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8993.186
This is a guy who did a lot of research prior to the surgery, I'm sure he was extra careful all the time and still didn't go that smooth.
And a good doctor is not a guarantee. Guichet was once considered one of the best LL doctors.
I don't even read that many diaries, perhaps there are more cases like these.
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As if people in shorter countries, specifically women ever stops preferring tall men at anyplace and anytime. And if you're of a different ethnicity then the natives will just look down upon you since your ethnicities' average is expected to be taller, lose-lose either way.
+1
Ok. Moaning like a small girl about being short and the everyday drawbacks that has to do with it and discrimination stories etc is for the braves, doing LL to get rid from all these is for cowards...whatever.
Lol!
If you are 5'5 or so and below, LLS is probably the way to go (that's why I shared the video with Brendan Snob making fun of 5'3 people who do the surgery). Once you go higher in height, the risks/drawbacks - rewards balance starts to shift. I'm a Mountain Biker, if I do the surgery I'll be a 178cm grandpa riding a bike. When I reach 45 how I'll do that? Will do downhill with the wheelchair?
When/If I reach 70 (regardless of sports; just walking)? Don't want to even think about it.
Whereas you can do bodybuilding training only for your upper body and don't work out your weak, worn-down chicken legs.
https://me.me/i/gym-memes-prime-example-of-why-you-dont-skip-leg-12244986
https://me.me/i/looks-like-someone-has-been-skipping-leg-day-rofldump-lol-2977154
Most of us are completely functional after LL and happy.
Maybe you got lucky, or just don't want to admit that you are not sure if it was a wise decision, and why you're still here if you are happy anyway?
You're not short anymore.
while pain from LL lasts only a few months and then you can live in peace of mind
2Lol!
LL with a good doctor most and without extreme lengthening is safe and all these problems (like the one I had too with at overlengthening which I fixed with another surgery) could be avoided.
Guichet was considered a good/competent doctor until a few years ago and look what happened
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3560.0
And that Indian guy who trusted him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64405.0
If someone has height neurosis and he doesn't do LL, the only way to get taller, then yes he is a coward and don't deserve nothing else from misery.
Go tell to the Indian guy's parents that above.
Bonus
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8978.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3922.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3655.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5485.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64558.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9733.0
And many more cases, crippled, grandpa walking, constant pain, additional $urgerie$, etc that we just haven't heard of and never will.
Even when people get 'milder' bad outcomes they are ashamed and don't want to admit it was a sh*t decision. After 20 years they certainly will, but not here.
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Rest in peace Indian guy. Rest in peace brother. Died of pulmonary embolism. When struggling to breathe, was on the phone with his father. Father told him to call ER. He refused, thinking it would be okay. Dies the following day. And guichet approved an Asian woman for shietty unregulated weightbearing nails. Asian woman bone density are like basically nothing. Weak af. Greedy ass's surgeon. Fun fact (not so fun actually) unicorn actually recorded the moment her nails cracked in her femur and cracked her bone. It's on her instagram. Crazy shirt. God bless her, was very scary
People!!! Hire a caretaker for the first 2 weeks please for the risk of! And stay in hospital as long as possible! Discharge as late as you can! When you feel well!
And take your blood thinners religiously! And if you have stryde then weight bear alot and exercise legs through out the process, especially post op first week or two
LL surgery is definitely risky. And can be deadly. Follow proper protocol, reduce this risk people's. Thank you
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Anyone who still entertains this idea of "leg-lengthening" using an almost century old contraption despite knowing all of this certainly doesn't have any sympathy from me.
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Though for those that went thru the surgery, they are the plenty that are living their lives now neurosis free while we here complaining and waiting for the next voodoo pill in 2035 and tryna get sum gay sëx or hetero sëx.
I think vast majority of people are happy with their choice to go thru this barbaric surgery, assuming they survive through it haha. Would I take early onset arthritis in trade of removing my height neurosis for my adult life? Probably lol. I may regret it later on, probably, but the chances of having to use a state of the art knee replacement definitely outweighs having a life consuming height complex for my entire young adult life.
I'll take it hecrapeg worth
0 deaths by CLL in usa for the entirety of it's history btw
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Though for those that went thru the surgery, they are the plenty that are living their lives now neurosis free while we here complaining and waiting for the next voodoo pill in 2035 and tryna get sum gay sëx or hetero sëx.
I think vast majority of people are happy with their choice to go thru this barbaric surgery, assuming they survive through it haha. Would I take early onset arthritis in trade of removing my height neurosis for my adult life? Probably lol. I may regret it later on, probably, but the chances of having to use a state of the art knee replacement definitely outweighs having a life consuming height complex for my entire young adult life.
I'll take it hecrapeg worth
0 deaths by CLL in usa for the entirety of it's history btw
Your utilitarian argument doesn't work since the vast majority of users here aren't from USA which is evident from the posts. Btw how do you have 600 posts while being here for only 5 months? You seem to be the only active poster here in this forum, so what's holding you back from going through CLL if you don't mind me asking? Or are you already undergoing CLL since you have a lot of time in your hands it seems.
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I'm guessing he has no money because he's still in high school.
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Haha ghkid clearly has me beat in terms of being active on this forum.
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I don't know if it's 'a slight' risk man. Because it seems to me that things often go wrong more than not.
Apart from the 3 people I mentioned above (2 of which are veterans), there is you. But if I am not mistaken your surgery was more recent than Sweden and Medium of Drink Water.
Then there is Android. Did the surgery 2 years ago, suffered nerve damage, hasn't been back until now: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8993.186
This is a guy who did a lot of research prior to the surgery, I'm sure he was extra careful all the time and still didn't go that smooth.
And a good doctor is not a guarantee. Guichet was once considered one of the best LL doctors.
I don't even read that many diaries, perhaps there are more cases like these.
I did LL on 2011, much before than all these.
With external tibias is it almost impossible to go too wrong if the doctor is experienced enough and you don't lengthen fast.
With internals, things are a little more riskier due to fat embolism as it is a much more invasive surgery, still if it is done right and don't lengthen much and fast, things will go well.
I truly don't believe that if you go to a good doctor (with whom you must speak a lot and see other patients of him after rehabilitation) the risks are significant, at least for permanent except some degree of athletic loss which is for sure.
Most LLers with good doctors are doing really good.
Even weirdos like Apotheosis with 3 surgeries (even in arms) at a not young age is doing very well and has a great body.
So LL has risks but for sure most patients are doing well. And the risks are truly worth it because it is the most lifechanging cosmetic surgery a short man can do. Benefits from LL are so big that even veterans like me, who had some problems due to doctors's faults (firtunately almost fixed), would have done another one if they had plenty of money.
That says a lit I believe .
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I did LL on 2011, much before than all these.
With external tibias is it almost impossible to go too wrong if the doctor is experienced enough and you don't lengthen fast.
With internals, things are a little more riskier due to fat embolism as it is a much more invasive surgery, still if it is done right and don't lengthen much and fast, things will go well.
I truly don't believe that if you go to a good doctor (with whom you must speak a lot and see other patients of him after rehabilitation) the risks are significant, at least for permanent except some degree of athletic loss which is for sure.
Most LLers with good doctors are doing really good.
Even weirdos like Apotheosis with 3 surgeries (even in arms) at a not young age is doing very well and has a great body.
So LL has risks but for sure most patients are doing well. And the risks are truly worth it because it is the most lifechanging cosmetic surgery a short man can do. Benefits from LL are so big that even veterans like me, who had some problems due to doctors's faults (firtunately almost fixed), would have done another one if they had plenty of money.
That says a lit I believe .
Yeah. If you want to do LL, the safest thing to do I think is tibia lengthening with TSF for 5cm or so.
Maybe this will get safer in a few years or the soft tissues problems will be fixed to the point where we don't need to give up athleticism.
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+1
Lol!
If you are 5'5 or so and below, LLS is probably the way to go (that's why I shared the video with Brendan Snob making fun of 5'3 people who do the surgery). Once you go higher in height, the risks/drawbacks - rewards balance starts to shift. I'm a Mountain Biker, if I do the surgery I'll be a 178cm grandpa riding a bike. When I reach 45 how I'll do that? Will do downhill with the wheelchair?
When/If I reach 70 (regardless of sports; just walking)? Don't want to even think about it.
Whereas you can do bodybuilding training only for your upper body and don't work out your weak, worn-down chicken legs.
https://me.me/i/gym-memes-prime-example-of-why-you-dont-skip-leg-12244986
https://me.me/i/looks-like-someone-has-been-skipping-leg-day-rofldump-lol-2977154
Maybe you got lucky, or just don't want to admit that you are not sure if it was a wise decision, and why you're still here if you are happy anyway?
You're not short anymore.
2Lol!
Guichet was considered a good/competent doctor until a few years ago and look what happened
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3560.0
And that Indian guy who trusted him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64405.0
Go tell to the Indian guy's parents that above.
Bonus
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8978.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3922.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3655.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5485.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64558.0
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9733.0
And many more cases, crippled, grandpa walking, constant pain, additional $urgerie$, etc that we just haven't heard of and never will.
Even when people get 'milder' bad outcomes they are ashamed and don't want to admit it was a sh*t decision. After 20 years they certainly will, but not here.
I am here mainly to read some experiences with stryde as maybe one time I'll do a second LL if I have money.
And to give some advice to the other people whonwant to do LL or doing it right now. Also to encourage the latter.
I am very happy with my LL and satisfacted with my height although I would have need another 2 inches to see myself completely as I want.
As for Guichet, that man is a crook. He must be punished for what he did to many LLers. He must be the most expensive butcher for LL im the world.
Any LLer should avoid him and his barbaric tactics and nail at all costs.
Thats why I always say how important is a good doctor to have a great result.
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Yeah. If you want to do LL, the safest thing to do I think is tibia lengthening with TSF for 5cm or so.
Maybe this will get safer in a few years or the soft tissues problems will be fixed to the point where we don't need to give up athleticism.
With only 5cm and tsf on tibias it is almost impossible to have soft tissue issues.
Athletic abilities will be a little reduced due to changes in feet ratio but nothing important.
The only problems is that 5cm are (or were) not enough for most of them but if you are ok with that lengthening, things are very safe, I can guarantee that.
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I'm to bring back these tragedies and it doesn't mean I'm still immersed in them.
1.When I was 12 y.o,I was on my way to hand in my homework to my teachers waiting in the queue across the teacher's office then.What was next was my classmates' laughing at my short height and then asking how much was height.I went into silence and felt upset.
2.When I was 13 y.o,I was on the stairs up to the lecture platform to hand in my homework.While I was waiting for the queue moving standing one of the stair,one of my classmates laughed at me because I was still shorter than him when setting foot on the stair and that stair was thick.That year I was again laughed by 14-15 y.o girls when participating in the flag-raising ceremony because I was shorter than them by one head.
3.When I was 19 y.o,I was on my way to morning individual study lesson and heard one girl said 'Men under 180cm are disable!'.
Lately I was refused by my gf's mother because I was too f**king short to inherit good genes,which bothered me most that I wanna do LL! :'(
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3.When I was 19 y.o,I was on my way to morning individual study lesson and heard one girl said 'Men under 180cm are disable!'.
Isn’t that like saying the majority of Chinese men is disabled? Must have been a Chinese Becky.
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Isn’t that like saying the majority of Chinese men is disabled? Must have been a Chinese Becky.
Yeah that's a little excessive. Chinese girls usually say guys under 170cm are disabled, 170-175 is short, 176-179 is acceptable, and 180 or taller is good. Given that you can exaggerate a few cm anyway (especially around short girls) it's pretty easy to just say you're 180 if you're almost there. I have noticed a surprising number of 170cm+ Chinese girls though.. but I suppose I only notice the hot ones, so they probably lean toward being taller anyway. Probably can't get away with pretending to be 180+ with them unless you actually are.
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Yeah that's a little excessive. Chinese girls usually say guys under 170cm are disabled, 170-175 is short, 176-179 is acceptable, and 180 or taller is good. Given that you can exaggerate a few cm anyway (especially around short girls) it's pretty easy to just say you're 180 if you're almost there. I have noticed a surprising number of 170cm+ Chinese girls though.. but I suppose I only notice the hot ones, so they probably lean toward being taller anyway. Probably can't get away with pretending to be 180+ with them unless you actually are.
Who cares about what Chinese girls say/think/want anyway... lol
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Yeah that's a little excessive. Chinese girls usually say guys under 170cm are disabled, 170-175 is short, 176-179 is acceptable, and 180 or taller is good. Given that you can exaggerate a few cm anyway (especially around short girls) it's pretty easy to just say you're 180 if you're almost there. I have noticed a surprising number of 170cm+ Chinese girls though.. but I suppose I only notice the hot ones, so they probably lean toward being taller anyway. Probably can't get away with pretending to be 180+ with them unless you actually are.
I was replying to two guys talking about Chinese girls...
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Isn’t that like saying the majority of Chinese men is disabled? Must have been a Chinese Becky.
Actually If u r 175cm tall you can eliminate the 'honor' of being disable...Cuz even u r measured 175cm in the morning but u r 177cm or so tall with shoes...3cm is a delicate distance from 177cm to 180cm so that girls will automatically see you as 180cm tall.
If u r 170-174cm tall you can lie to them that u r 175cm tall precisely Cuz of shoes...Still 3cm lies can't be looked through...
Below 170cm as a Chinese he definitely feels short,which entitles Chinese girls to call them 'the disable'...
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I don’t feel comfortable disclosing too much personal information, but I can tell you that I live in Northern Europe. Fortunately, I’m still considered handsome and regularly receive compliments about my looks—and, most importantly, I’m married to the woman of my dreams—BUT I still feel super insecure about my height, especially at work. Only two of my male co-workers are shorter than me, and they’re both in their fifties—all others are > 6’2” (unfortunately, I’m not exaggerating). And even though my height is not preventing me from being promoted etc., it simply sucks that all the guys my age are much taller than me.
Just as an additional note, I‘m well aware that many people here on this forum are in a worse position than me and that my height neurosis may seem ridiculous to some of you.
I just dunno why some people had insulted you...Everybody is entitled to do LL as long as everything permits...
And I wanna know until now are you still desiring to do LL?If so,I think your wife won't be pleased because she might think you don't give enough love to her or you won't feel inferior about height.What's worse,this surgery is really costly about time and money.Half yr or even 1 yr far away from her and $50k or $100k or even more from family savings...They won't resent your wife not very much.
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It’s weird that standards in China seem to be higher than in many European countries where the average height is much higher. Most women I know just want their partner to be taller than them but don’t have any specific height requirements. I even know a few couples where the woman is taller than the man.
Thanks! I’m still undecided. Although every other aspect of my life is perfect (perfect wife and child, perfect job), I still hate being shorter than almost everyone around me. But I’m fully aware that I’d gain almost nothing from the surgery, except a massive confidence boost (I used to be pretty confident back in my home country but have lost much of my confidence due to being surrounded by giants all the time). I know many users on this forum think I’m crazy, but most of them just don’t know what it’s like to live in a country like the Netherlands.
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It’s weird that standards in China seem to be higher than in many European countries where the average height is much higher. Most women I know just want their partner to be taller than them but don’t have any specific height requirements. I even know a few couples where the woman is taller than the man.
Thanks! I’m still undecided. Although every other aspect of my life is perfect (perfect wife and child, perfect job), I still hate being shorter than almost everyone around me. But I’m fully aware that I’d gain almost nothing from the surgery, except a massive confidence boost (I used to be pretty confident back in my home country but have lost much of my confidence due to being surrounded by giants all the time). I know many users on this forum think I’m crazy, but most of them just don’t know what it’s like to live in a country like the Netherlands.
One major thing you should know about these users is that they do LL for GIRLS.So since you owned a romantic partner there ain't need for you to do LL anymore.Actually that's also my point of view but I think it's necessary to respect everyone's willing.
As for why Chinese girls' standards for boys' heights are higher than European countries..I think that's because of the imbalanced ratio of Chinese males and females..And you know,East Asia culture or something made it important to assess one's appearance,including his or her height.If it weren't for imbalanced gender ratio...I think no matter one is female or male if he or she is short,it'll be hard to get double. :'(
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The closest I ever got to height discrimination was my 5'11" friend making fun of the abysmal height difference between us and calling me short.
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Where I'm from a lot of men are 185cm and above, they never talk about height. The only people that do are guys less than 183cm who are are only a few cm taller than the people they call short. It always makes me smile as it just exposes their own insecurities about their own height.
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It’s weird that standards in China seem to be higher than in many European countries where the average height is much higher. Most women I know just want their partner to be taller than them but don’t have any specific height requirements. I even know a few couples where the woman is taller than the man.
Thanks! I’m still undecided. Although every other aspect of my life is perfect (perfect wife and child, perfect job), I still hate being shorter than almost everyone around me. But I’m fully aware that I’d gain almost nothing from the surgery, except a massive confidence boost (I used to be pretty confident back in my home country but have lost much of my confidence due to being surrounded by giants all the time). I know many users on this forum think I’m crazy, but most of them just don’t know what it’s like to live in a country like the Netherlands.
I was actually in Amsterdam earlier this year and surprisingly it didn't feel like there were a ton of tall people. It felt like any other European or American city. Maybe it's because I was hanging out in the tourist areas or I was looking for giants and didn't see any. I even rode the train a bunch of times and all the young people on there were just "normal" height, not super tall. Most of the guys were around or under 6' and most of the girls were around my height.
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The closest I ever got to height discrimination was my 5'11" friend making fun of the abysmal height difference between us and calling me short.
You rate the difference between 5'7 and 5'11 "abysmal"? That's interesting. Not saying you're right or wrong...just that I rarely see this view.
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You rate the difference between 5'7 and 5'11 "abysmal"? That's interesting. Not saying you're right or wrong...just that I rarely see this view.
Definitely exaggerating but I did feel really short compared to him and he pointed it out and made me insecure and I was probably more like 5'5.5" or 5'6" flat then
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I was actually in Amsterdam earlier this year and surprisingly it didn't feel like there were a ton of tall people. It felt like any other European or American city. Maybe it's because I was hanging out in the tourist areas or I was looking for giants and didn't see any. I even rode the train a bunch of times and all the young people on there were just "normal" height, not super tall. Most of the guys were around or under 6' and most of the girls were around my height.
Yeah, Amsterdam is a cultural melting pot with lots of tourists and immigrants. But the further you go up north, the taller people seem to be (especially in rural areas). I have a cousin who is 192 cm, and he keeps telling me that the Netherlands is the only place in the world where he feels bang average.
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Yeah, Amsterdam is a cultural melting pot with lots of tourists and immigrants. But the further you go up north, the taller people seem to be (especially in rural areas). I have a cousin who is 192 cm, and he keeps telling me that the Netherlands is the only place in the world where he feels bang average.
Visiting the Netherlands wearing converse would be an interesting adventure for me to undertake ;D
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Definitely exaggerating but I did feel really short compared to him and he pointed it out and made me insecure and I was probably more like 5'5.5" or 5'6" flat then
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So, do you believe the difference to be substantial or not? Did you use the word abysmal to get back at him/deflect his insult?
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Visiting the Netherlands wearing converse would be an interesting adventure for me to undertake ;D
Haha, definitely! :D I miss wearing Converse and Vans Old Skool sneakers. Back in my home country, I used to wear them all the time. Unfortunately, I no longer feel comfortable wearing them.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/jqxt92/how_can_a_very_short_410_guy_starting_at_uni/?sort=confidence
Q: How Can a Very Short (4'10) Guy Starting at Uni Better His Chances with Girls? (3hrs ago)
Top answer: get a cool dog and be a cool dog owner
Smfh.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/jqxt92/how_can_a_very_short_410_guy_starting_at_uni/?sort=confidence
Q: How Can a Very Short (4'10) Guy Starting at Uni Better His Chances with Girls? (3hrs ago)
Top answer: get a cool dog and be a cool dog owner
Smfh.
have a deep voice like Peter Dinklage 10/10
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have a deep voice like Peter Dinklage 10/10
but don't kill your nephew father / become a wine addict - like his twin brother did (0/10)
Thread closed.
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3.When I was 19 y.o,I was on my way to morning individual study lesson and heard one girl said 'Men under 180cm are disable!'.
Lately I was refused by my gf's mother because I was too f**king short to inherit good genes,which bothered me most that I wanna do LL! :'(
Bro, modern women are fked up. Even if I was Brad Pitt I wouldn't date them. Once you understand their mindset and subconscious it's hard to still believe in love. It's all primal instincts. Pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to date a monkey just because it looks good and finds me attractive. I turned asexual last year. Maybe it's my brain self defense mechanism kicking in because it knows dating would be a waste of time. I no longer feel anything. I am free. It's pretty cool.
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I'm to bring back these tragedies and it doesn't mean I'm still immersed in them.
1.When I was 12 y.o,I was on my way to hand in my homework to my teachers waiting in the queue across the teacher's office then.What was next was my classmates' laughing at my short height and then asking how much was height.I went into silence and felt upset.
2.When I was 13 y.o,I was on the stairs up to the lecture platform to hand in my homework.While I was waiting for the queue moving standing one of the stair,one of my classmates laughed at me because I was still shorter than him when setting foot on the stair and that stair was thick.That year I was again laughed by 14-15 y.o girls when participating in the flag-raising ceremony because I was shorter than them by one head.
3.When I was 19 y.o,I was on my way to morning individual study lesson and heard one girl said 'Men under 180cm are disable!'.
Lately I was refused by my gf's mother because I was too f**king short to inherit good genes,which bothered me most that I wanna do LL! :'(
The irony.
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At 5.11, even if you are 2 inches less than average (although I don't know any country with an average height of 6.1), you still have a respectable height.
5.5 is pretty average for India but it is short worldwide for a man so there are plenty reasons to do LL. So being completely average in your town is not so important to have something so massive like LL when your height is very good for a man generally. Especially when just an "owner" mentioned that high ceilings are not important for you which is something normal but only someone with major height complexes would think as something bad.
So, at 5.11 and with a wife it is really stupid to do LL. You have only to lose. However it is completely up to you to risk for nothing.
It' doesn't feel average man. Maybe in villages or a few states. In every major city, the average height is like 5'9-5'10. India is as heightist as the US if not more.
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Bro, modern women are fked up. Even if I was Brad Pitt I wouldn't date them. Once you understand their mindset and subconscious it's hard to still believe in love. It's all primal instincts. Pretty pathetic. I wouldn't want to date a monkey just because it looks good and finds me attractive. I turned asxxual last year. Maybe it's my brain self defense mechanism kicking in because it knows dating would be a waste of time. I no longer feel anything. I am free. It's pretty cool.
That's a little aggressive.You dont have to do this cuz you can think about which of an ugly female fatty and a beautiful female supermodel you will choose and then that's why girls ain't inclined to us short men.But in fact I've actually fallen into love for twice in all.Now I'm drowned in the second love so not every girl is superficial as much as you thought unless you two just wanna make love with each other and that'll necessarily need you to be tall and handsome.When it comes to marriage,there is other necessities than height although you shouldn't still be too short.
In my country,girls are more money-oriented than Caucasian countries' so if you could earn a hellva money then girls may neglect your short.
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The irony.
That's my and my parent's fault.My father bought me a computer when I was 5 y.o and he was positive to bring me to Internet cafe where he was working in my childhood.I was being immersed in computers games and even erotic videos and games,thus,I had lacked growth I needed.I was prone to skipping meals in that time.Porn,non-meal,non-execrise,childhood depression and deficiency of parent's cares of my physical and mental health leaded to my being very very short.
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Yes bodybuilder u are absolutely right weight has a lot to do with being manly....yeah i know height is necessary but even in scandanivia above 6.4 or 6.5 is rare and i don't there is much difference between 6.4 or 6.5 considered u are nearly 6 ft.....and most of the L size cloths fit u well coz of ur body length....but there is a very big difference between a below 5'8 and a 6ft person....coz tht's from short to tall.
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One thing to notice is that in china girls are actually more on the taller side compared to men....like most of the girls are tall and men are as they are all over the world from short avg. to tall.