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Title: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 05, 2020, 06:58:15 AM
First off, I am not a troll. I am on the fence about LL. I will believe in LL after Dr. Kevin Debiparshad gets LL for himself. that will give me 100% confidence. Until then I will keep saving. I start my first job soon!

Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is (respectfully) :

- 5'7 tall. quite short in America
- a well accomplished limb length surgeon. the best world class eduacation. He knows this stuff like not many!
- he does not believe in height dysphoria. Thinks that this is like any other cosmetic surgery. You can get it just to get benefits of being taller and look better. See his "cyborg4life" interview on this topic linked below.
- he firmly believes that there will no long term complications of this surgery (see the DOCTORS show interview linked below.
- he is well off. he is in demand. he does LL and spine surgeries and makes a ton of money. can easily afford this procedure. seriously, someone who has his qualifications and reviews (check the internet) probably makes $50 grand a month!

see his videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS5ZuCjnX3w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvkQzUN4PN4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGVaXOk3MJg

- he believes it's a minimally invasive procedure
- he and his office recommends that 2 weeks after this you can go back to normal life like standing and walking around. He in fact did this procedure on a plastic surgeon patient who went to back to his surgeries 2 weeks after LL.

I actually see him as an idol. I'm also short like him but I"m also happy like him. I am still young but I want to become successful like him.

Him getting it done to become 5'9 would give me all the confidence I need.

why would he not get this done? would it not be strange if he doesn't get it done?

refrain from replying if you're not interested in a rational discussion. And I have not disrespectfully dug up anything about him. All this is publicly available info and videos that he has himself published.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: KiloKAHN on September 05, 2020, 08:36:42 AM
Money, power, fame, success or a combo of the above will make you attractive to the opposite sex in ways that make up for not being tall. 5'7" isn't super short in the USA anyway. I'm 5'7" post CLL, and once I was able to walk around looking totally normal I had more sex in a week than I had in my entire life pre-CLL. I honestly don't even know if femur lengthening on top of it would be all that beneficial compared to the cost. A 5'7" orthopedic surgeon in the USA wouldn't need CLL to be totally satisfied with his life.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 05, 2020, 10:44:38 AM
Money won't make you attractive. Don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: drxboom on September 05, 2020, 11:50:53 AM
5 ”7 years old and if you can't find any girls then you have a problem. yes 5 7 is short but still it's okay for some short girls
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 05, 2020, 04:09:39 PM
Money, power, fame, success or a combo of the above will make you attractive to the opposite sxx in ways that make up for not being tall. 5'7" isn't super short in the USA anyway. I'm 5'7" post CLL, and once I was able to walk around looking totally normal I had more sxx in a week than I had in my entire life pre-CLL. I honestly don't even know if femur lengthening on top of it would be all that beneficial compared to the cost. A 5'7" orthopedic surgeon in the USA wouldn't need CLL to be totally satisfied with his life.

His fame success and money and power all have come from his profession of doing limb length surgery to make people taller. He will probably do dozens more of "DOCTORS" shows, dozens of interviews, dozens of media articles written about him and what not. it is just awkward to do this specific procedure for a living but be short yourself, even if you are famous, successful and rich.

This argument would not hold if he was a real estate agent or he was an app developer. but his profession is so closely tied to human height. don't you agree?

Imagine this::

Imagine a super successful nose surgeon (rhinoplasty), 10s of million bucks in wealth, happily married, powerful (connected with celebrities and politicians). Does interviews on top TV channels, explains how rhinoplasty works, is safe, what makes an attractive nose, what are the benefits of a good nose in society, brings celebrity patients who did rhinoplasty with him, showcases them. But, in all this, the surgeon's nose is itself crooked. Or is flat. or too wide.

No one is perfect and no one "needs" to change anything. but isn't it strange if this nose surgeon never gets his nose "Fixed" as per rhinoplasty?

Doesnt it cause you to doubt rhinoplasty itself? shouldnt such a surgeon have "skin in the game" ?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Hagane on September 05, 2020, 04:55:52 PM
this is kind of a silly arguement
if he is happy with his height, why would he need the procedure?
even if he did get the procedure, it would be another surgeon performing the operation, so it wouldnt showcase his skills as a surgeon.

your skin in the game example dosnt make sense,
would you not trust an oncologist if he has never had chemotherapy himself?
how about psychiatrist who has never taken antidepressants?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 05, 2020, 06:43:07 PM
this is kind of a silly arguement
if he is happy with his height, why would he need the procedure?
even if he did get the procedure, it would be another surgeon performing the operation, so it wouldnt showcase his skills as a surgeon.

your skin in the game example dosnt make sense,
would you not trust an oncologist if he has never had chemotherapy himself?
how about psychiatrist who has never taken antidepressants?

Not a good comparison. depression and cancer are diseases. no doctor who treats them would recommend that treatment to "anyone". it's not like you hear a psychiatrist come on TV and say "here are some new antidepressants from a pharma company, anyone can take them, there are no side effects, bad mood can spoil your life, so taking these can improve your life, most patients report feeling extremely happy after taking them"

That is pretty much how Kevin Debiparshad is offering this treatment. He stresses that it requires hard work, etc but he recommends it to "anyone". no need of any "illness". He doesnt believe in "height dysphoria" or any such "medical condition". I like that kind of confidence about offering a procedure. but why doesnt he do it himself?

I know he cant operate on himself lol. But surely it's not such an experimental surgery that he isn't the only one who can do it well? he has the best network of doctors. He can go to Paley, Rozbruch or anyone. They are all friends. Unless he believes that he is the only surgeon in the world who can offer this surgery safely. That would be pure narcissism. He has been practicing for 4 years only. He cant possibly be the "best" even though I think he is very skilled. Im sure he would agree on this.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 05, 2020, 06:48:36 PM
There was also this interview where he claimed to be 5'10. (this was something that was posted from his insta account)

why would someone add 3 inches to their real height if they were comfortable with their original height? I have feeling it would be awkward for him to admit hes 5'7 in an interview on t he radio about his cosmetic leg length surgery practice. Easily understandable. I would feel that way too!
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 05, 2020, 06:56:31 PM
Imagine hating someone so badly that you feel the need to create 3-4 burner accounts across a couple of months to anonymously post hate on someone to dissuade others from going to this particular surgeon

We already know who you are 'ru', give it up while you can, we get it you were denied surgery during your consultation with Dr. D because of your psychiatric past. Just relax and go to India to do it, no psych eval needed.

With this malice and hate in your heart not healthy you will have to hate him forever and lower your own immune system.

Ooga booga stanky lookin as, apologies for Dr. D rejecting you in consultation. I recommend Dr. Sarin in india, he will operate right away after the bank wire, no psych eval ༼ つ ◕‿◕ ༽つ
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Hagane on September 05, 2020, 08:22:52 PM
Not a good comparison. depression and cancer are diseases. no doctor who treats them would recommend that treatment to "anyone". it's not like you hear a psychiatrist come on TV and say "here are some new antidepressants from a pharma company, anyone can take them, there are no side effects, bad mood can spoil your life, so taking these can improve your life, most patients report feeling extremely happy after taking them"

That is pretty much how Kevin Debiparshad is offering this treatment. He stresses that it requires hard work, etc but he recommends it to "anyone". no need of any "illness". He doesnt believe in "height dysphoria" or any such "medical condition". I like that kind of confidence about offering a procedure. but why doesnt he do it himself?

I know he cant operate on himself lol. But surely it's not such an experimental surgery that he isn't the only one who can do it well? he has the best network of doctors. He can go to Paley, Rozbruch or anyone. They are all friends. Unless he believes that he is the only surgeon in the world who can offer this surgery safely. That would be pure narcissism. He has been practicing for 4 years only. He cant possibly be the "best" even though I think he is very skilled. Im sure he would agree on this.


bro i think u need help
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 06, 2020, 12:19:17 AM
Hey ghkid i think u should mind a bit about wht u r posting..dude yes india is a 3 rd world country probably and yes dr. like sarin are cunt....but there are some good ones too..like dr. Mangal parihar....and dr pradip and yes they do psychological eva.....dnt know abt sarin though.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 05:36:07 AM
ghkid and wannabeidol: read about ad hominem fallacy. When you can't argue logically, you attack the person. Easy.

Imagine someone sold you a get rich risk free investment scheme with posters of yatchs and mansions and hot women. But the person selling it himself poor. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.

Imagine someone sold you a tax software. It is claimed to be error free and safe to use. Some effort to learn and some money to buy but after that makes things better. But the person selling doesn't use it. He uses a human accountant. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.

Imagine a hair doc sold you pills to stop hairloss. He says it's risk free and thousands of his patients use it without side effects. You see that he is himself bald. George Constanza bald. He has not taken the pill. He always wears a nice hat to make public TV appearances. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 06, 2020, 06:03:42 AM
He already said in the other video that you're getting the height and you're trading it for something, it's not free. That's potentially some depreciation in that athletic ability.

So yes, there is at least one long-term side effect of this surgery.

And the patient confirmed that it's a painful procedure.

While I agree that 5'7" is an ok height for an Indian, I bet Debiparshad would definitely take a couple more inches if there was a safe, painless mean to do so. You have a point here that this surgery is not without risks and sacrifices and he knows it.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Hagane on September 06, 2020, 06:59:35 AM
ghkid and wannabeidol: read about ad hominem fallacy. When you can't argue logically, you attack the person. Easy.

Imagine someone sold you a get rich risk free investment scheme with posters of yatchs and mansions and hot women. But the person selling it himself poor. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.

Imagine someone sold you a tax software. It is claimed to be error free and safe to use. Some effort to learn and some money to buy but after that makes things better. But the person selling doesn't use it. He uses a human accountant. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.

Imagine a hair doc sold you pills to stop hairloss. He says it's risk free and thousands of his patients use it without side effects. You see that he is himself bald. George Constanza bald. He has not taken the pill. He always wears a nice hat to make public TV appearances. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.


you seem to really have it out for debiparshad
if you dont like him, pick a different doc
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 07:12:12 AM
He already said in the other video that you're getting the height and you're trading it for something, it's not free. That's potentially some depreciation in that athletic ability.

So yes, there is at least one long-term side effect of this surgery.

And the patient confirmed that it's a painful procedure.

While I agree that 5'7" is an ok height for an Indian, I bet Debiparshad would definitely take a couple more inches if there was a safe, painless mean to do so. You have a point here that this surgery is not without risks and sacrifices and he knows it.

When asked about long term complications, he says if you are high level athlete you might lose some of that. He frequently mentions that if you are a high level athlete who wants that "nanosecond" edge over a competitor then this surgery is not for you. He also told on the "DOCTORS" show that there are studies that show there is no long term damage to joints. He also said no one patient has regretted it.

I have been watching his interviews closely. It is very clear that with the modern minimally invasive technology you will completely recover except if you need very high level athleticism. I doubt a full time 40+ surgeon would want any of that.

He even mentions the pain is manageable. he has this plastic surgeon patient (who also appeared on a tv show) who went to be doing surgeries just 2 weeks after leg length surgery.

It requires hard work for sure. but nothing a man with that much discipline and hard work (I Mean look at his resume) can't do.

5'7 is probably not a big deal in Amerca. But for someone to be this very field of cosmetic medicine and not consider doing this procedure is suspicious
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 07:17:35 AM

you seem to really have it out for debiparshad
if you dont like him, pick a different doc

you seem to have very weak logical abilities. Like someone who would invest $30k bucks in an investment because some guy in a suit guaranteed you 50% yearly returns.

after all my examples, and explanation you cant say anything better that this.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 06, 2020, 07:35:51 AM
Whether you're a high level athlete or not. Fact is you're gonna lose some of your athleticism. And that's a price to pay.

If I buy an apartment that includes a swimming pool for a price. I still want the pool to exist regardless of whether I will use it or not.

And I don't understand why do with him in the first place?

He's expensive. I think almost like Paley.

And he's very inexperienced. I read he only has 12 CLL cases or so.

And these 12 patients not regretting it so far doesn't really mean anything as they haven't lived long enough to experience to possible long-term consequences.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 06, 2020, 07:42:40 AM
I dun think he care too mucho about his height. Clearly it hasn't stoppd him from getting a MD and spine residency and ortho fellowship. Hasn't stopped him from making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, making his own clinic.

Dun think he wud study for 2 decades and then be able to take a. 3-6 month break, no goodie. Dats losing mucho customers.

If u go to Korea and look at plastic surgery clinic, about 0 of the doctors actually have done work. They all old men hehe eggs see. All unattractive old men. No plastic surgeries

Ooga booga ru. Why successful surgeon no perform CLL and break legs to be taller? Could it be that he's lying about the safety and recover to market his surgery to make more money? No!!! He must be unqualified and there I will not believe in LL after that!!1!!1!1!1!
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 06, 2020, 07:49:44 AM
If one man, just Debiparshad, is making you not want to do this surgery, and not Paley, Donghoon who advertises way more aggressively in Korea and Japan and has an entire forum for himself with more activity than here, or Mahboubian who puts ads on the highway- all of whom have embellished the recovery process heavily, then me thinks you have an agenda against Dr. DEBIPARSHAD

just tell us your problem with him. Ears open. No need to create many burner accs
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 08:00:21 AM
Whether you're a high level athlete or not. Fact is you're gonna lose some of your athleticism. And that's a price to pay.

If I buy an apartment that includes a swimming pool for a price. I still want the pool to exist regardless of whether I will use it or not.

And I don't understand why do with him in the first place?

He's expensive. I think almost like Paley.

And he's very inexperienced. I read he only has 12 CLL cases or so.

And these 12 patients not regretting it so far doesn't really mean anything as they haven't lived long enough to experience to possible long-term consequences.

Why do it with him? Look at his resume! And he is currently cheaper than Paley.

Are you saying he is lying or misrepresenting facts then? His interviews and web articles are out there. He clearly makes it like you will be fine after this is done unless you require high level nanosecond atheltic ability.

Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 06, 2020, 08:07:08 AM
Yea he is misrepresenting facts. I don't give a fucck about Debiparshad. He lies about how many surgeries he does and advertises this   way too much. You think I give a fucck about him when he costs more than Dr. Mahboubian with less surgical history? There's literally no reason to go to him over Dr. M if you have a brain. 1 year of experience versus 10 years of experience.

He's a marketer. Get over it. He embellishing the process. Now tell us why you hate him 🤣 he said some tings mean meanie to u?

Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 08:13:03 AM
ghkid, ghkid, ghkid,

I am not asking about other docs because they are not short. Simple. Please dont take this to be mean some kind of discrimination lol. I am also short and I bet you are too.

I cant use Paley in all this because:

- he is 6 foot
- he coined the phrase height dysphoria. he believes anyone at any height can feel the want to do this for  psych reasons. He considers it be a mental illness. Debiparshad on the other hand is offering it like its good for any one as a "risk free enhancement" to their lives.

and for the 200th time, I think Debiparshad is a great doctor. I would feel relatively safe under his care. I also dont mean any disrespect. As I said in the first post, his achievements are extra ordinary. He is also a cool guy (from his TV shows). Almost like how anyone who wish to become like.

I cant speak for all other doctors and cosmetic surgeons. Leg length is only surgery I will ever do if at all. I will not do it anywhere else but in America.

Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 06, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
This is discrimination, literally. You treat Debiparshad as lesser, solely based on his fking height. It's simple. Because of his height, your judgement of his character as a fking surgeon changes.

Youre an assshole. A big part of this forum is to help alleviate heightism. You are part of the problem.

We're done here folks. Bye ru
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 08:34:58 AM
ghkid,ghkid,ghkid,

I feel just as comfortable going to Debiparshad as I am going to Mahboubian even though he has less years of experience and is....... shorter. there is no discrimination.

if you cant understand this, you should check your IQ.

anyway the point of this thread was to highlight a lack of skin in the game in this rare dangerous surgery.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 06, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
Why do it with him? Look at his resume! And he is currently cheaper than Paley.

Are you saying he is lying or misrepresenting facts then? His interviews and web articles are out there. He clearly makes it like you will be fine after this is done unless you require high level nanosecond atheltic ability.

All he's saying in some of his videos that I watched is he looked at some data of former patients and "doesn't look like there's any long term complications". His exact words. In other words, he doesn't know for sure nor does he guarantee that there won't be.

Paley's Stryde price is 95k. Debipharshad's is 75k (Not sure if Stryde or not but let's say it is)

So only 20k difference. A little bit cheaper. Not enough to outweigh the experience and knowledge gap between Paley and Debi.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 06, 2020, 10:13:52 PM
5'7 is probably not a big deal in Amerca. But for someone to be this very field of cosmetic medicine and not consider doing this procedure is suspicious

Just because we’re insecure about our height, doesn’t mean everyone is. Back in my home country (where the average male height is 178 cm), I knew several guys who were 5’7” and were perfectly happy with their height. Not everyone is obsessed with their physical appearance and is willing to go through a lot of pain and sacrifice some of their athleticism just to become taller. If Dr. D. is happy with his body, why should he do LL?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 07, 2020, 05:41:37 AM
Just because we’re insecure about our height, doesn’t mean everyone is. Back in my home country (where the average male height is 178 cm), I knew several guys who were 5’7” and were perfectly happy with their height. Not everyone is obsessed with their physical appearance and is willing to go through a lot of pain and sacrifice some of their athleticism just to become taller. If Dr. D. is happy with his body, why should he do LL?

As I said before, in an interview he said hes 5'10. if someone was completely happy with his height, why would he not state it as it is?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 07, 2020, 05:47:43 AM
whatever guys, when someone knows this procedure inside out, does dozens every year, recommends it as a safe, manageable procedure with little downtime, why they wouldn't do it themselves is a bit confusing. in fact not one cosmetic limb length doctor I  have seen has done it on themselves. no skin in the game

I am starting to think that in the medical community it is considered to be for the mental cases.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 07, 2020, 08:05:46 AM
I do agree that the vast majority people who do cosmetic bilateral LL tend to be suffering from some manifestation of extreme height neurosis and dysphoria
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 07, 2020, 09:19:51 AM
Some people here think about which are not even related to height....😂....guys grow up..have you been talking 100 year old weeds..how is height suppossed to help get debiprashad a md degree orthopedic....lol guys..u are just too much obsessed with height that you think u need to this cm or feet to be able to get a educational degree..dude u need a super fast brain and hard working mentality for that...not 6'2 and 190 lbs..come on guys....we are here to correct our neurosis abt height because we want to comfortable physically and mentally with our own body..height will never stop u from getting educational success but ofcourse to get hoes and fk em in the ass does need height and a good weight..coz it is a physical work and attraction is everything with most girls even if they deny it ..unless and untill u are a millionaire..thn ofcourse u can fk anyone😂..height and are to look formidable and to look cosmetically good coz it indicates good health and return good wealth....but y d fk some of u guys think u need height to be succesful educationally..dude u need a good brain..n m sorry to say u dnt have one to even understand tht much....so stop speaking   like a cunt and grow up.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 07, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
^ facts. If height is stopping you from getting your dream job or education then you have more problems than just "height" but won't admit it
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 10:09:59 AM
Dude, it’s not all about height. Some people on this forum are so obsessed with height that they think it’s the only thing that matters to women. Yes, most women wouldn’t date someone shorter than them, but that’s it. I know many tall guys who are single, and I know many short guys with attractive girlfriends. For example, my dad is 176 cm and has always been very popular with women, mostly because of his handsome face and great hair. His brother is 188 cm and has never had a girlfriend in his entire life. I also know know a guy back in my home country who is 170 cm and looks like Johnny Depp. He’s always had very attractive girlfriends and been much more popular with women than most tall guys I know. I’m not saying that height doesn’t matter (because it does), but it’s just one of many qualities that make you attractive—you don’t need to have them all.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 07, 2020, 10:11:04 AM
Yeah thts wht i wanna say....sloving height neurosis is just to at peace with the physical appearance..thts all..it does not guarantee any advantages if u dnt have it naturally..it is just to think tht yeah i am this much tall whn u are alone and be happy with it..and think that the actor u saw yesterday on tv is as tall as u and u would have looked nearly like him on tht movie..tht is wht u need height for..not to get a md degree😂
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 07, 2020, 10:11:31 AM
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Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 07, 2020, 10:16:55 AM
I totally agree with notsobigbadbruin....u need height mostly to think good about yourself that u have it..not to attract others..to do tht u need a lot many things including height..if u dnt have the height replace it with something else....just find tht replacement tht u need....and do cll if u want to feel good about urself be comfortable with ur own body.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
Yes, most women wouldn’t date someone shorter than them, but that’s it.

What 'that's it'? That's a huge problem.

I totally agree with notsobigbadbruin....u need height mostly to think good about yourself that u have it..not to attract others..to do tht u need a lot many things including height..if u dnt have the height replace it with something else....just find tht replacement tht u need....and do cll if u want to feel good about urself be comfortable with ur own body.

If you attract others, you'll feel good about yourself naturally.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 10:40:16 AM
I totally agree with notsobigbadbruin....u need height mostly to think good about yourself that u have it..not to attract others..to do tht u need a lot many things including height..if u dnt have the height replace it with something else....just find tht replacement tht u need....and do cll if u want to feel good about urself be comfortable with ur own body.

It looks like we’re on the same page, then. :) Again, I’m not saying that height doesn’t matter at all, but it’s just one of many aspects. I’d rather be short and look like Dave Franco than be tall and look like Nikola Jokić (no offense, though, he’s a great basketball player).
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 10:44:14 AM
What 'that's it'? That's a huge problem.

Why? 🤔 Because you prefer tall women?

If you attract others, you'll feel good about yourself naturally.

It’s the other way round.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 10:51:09 AM
Why? 🤔 Because you prefer tall women?

My preference is not the point. But just because height alone you will have a much smaller dating pool. Not at 5'9", but once you're under 5'7" it gets worse. And this is what I'd like to call an "unnecessary hardship".

And remember. Just because a girl shorter than a short guy doesn't mean she's gonna necessarily like the short guy's height.

It’s the other way round.

Not really, that's just coping mechanism.

It looks like we’re on the same page, then. :) Again, I’m not saying that height doesn’t matter at all, but it’s just one of many aspects. I’d rather be short and look like Dave Franco than be tall and look like Nikola Jokić (no offense, though, he’s a great basketball player).

Dave Franco will have millions of women not being attracted to him just because of his height alone who would have been attracted to him if he was taller.

And also, regarding Debipharshad not doing LL. There are lots of men who think education and money are all that matter and don't care about physical appearance. They know that they're not gonna physically attract women and they are fine with that.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Tartar on September 07, 2020, 11:08:26 AM
If I had been 5 7 I would have never done this surgery. I don’t know what’s wrong, this doctor is just a bit short but totally normal.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
I'm 173, 175 in the morning.

Since I'm a little under average I'd benefit this surgery a lot. Because I can simply be taller for the rest of my life with good proportions.
If you are short, everything related to you will be short (average measurements, there are people with too long torso lengths for their height but it's like 1/10000). Your hands, your skull, your feet, your torso, shoulders etc.

The best LL is when you go to "tall" from "average". If you are saying that you'd never do CLL at 170cm, it's because you were not born at that height. If I were like 160cm, I'd definetely think that 170is a good height. But it's not. It sucks. You feel like god has cursed you. He has given you everything but height. It's a real torture.

Being below 170 is 2x torture, I know. But if you are in 160cm range and be 170, you'll simply have long legs and small af torso. It has a great chance of looking bad. Me, as an average person I can tell you that my torso and my limbs are as tall as the natural tall guys. So are most of the people I know who are average. Tall people only has 5-10cm advantage coming from their legs. Their torso would be taller than mine maximumly 2cm. Why not lengthening my legs to be "tall"? It's the best gift in the world.

Mostly average people have problems with their arm length and hand length. But I'm lucky to have big hands. In my future CLL experience (if happens) the only - thing will be my slightly short arms. Nobody will care though. But if you are short and be average, it won't look as good as average to tall CLL.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 07, 2020, 11:46:04 AM
Some people here think about which are not even related to height....😂....guys grow up..have you been talking 100 year old weeds..how is height suppossed to help get debiprashad a md degree orthopedic....lol guys..u are just too much obsessed with height that you think u need to this cm or feet to be able to get a educational degree..dude u need a super fast brain and hard working mentality for that...not 6'2 and 190 lbs..come on guys....we are here to correct our neurosis abt height because we want to comfortable physically and mentally with our own body..height will never stop u from getting educational success but ofcourse to get hoes and fk em in the ass does need height and a good weight..coz it is a physical work and attraction is everything with most girls even if they deny it ..unless and untill u are a millionaire..thn ofcourse u can fk anyone😂..height and are to look formidable and to look cosmetically good coz it indicates good health and return good wealth....but y d fk some of u guys think u need height to be succesful educationally..dude u need a good brain..n m sorry to say u dnt have one to even understand tht much....so stop speaking   like a cunt and grow up.

Can you even read English? who said any of these things? Don't attribute this to me.

what is your IQ?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 11:46:11 AM
My preference is not the point. But just because height alone you will have a much smaller dating pool. Not at 5'9", but once you're under 5'7" it gets worse. And this is what I'd like to call an "unnecessary hardship".

And remember. Just because a girl shorter than a short guy doesn't mean she's gonna necessarily like the short guy's height.

You live in Turkey, where the average female height is 162 cm. So if you think your dating pool is not large enough, please tell me how many women you’re planning to date.

Not really, that's just coping mechanism.

There are countless studies showing that people who are self-confident and happy with themselves are perceived as more attractive.

Dave Franco will have millions of women not being attracted to him just because of his height alone who would have been attracted to him if he was taller.

And there are billions of women who are attracted to him. Again, you can’t date every single woman on this planet anyway. And although Dave Franco is short, his potential dating pool is much larger than that of most tall men (and not only because he’s super rich but also because he’s just super handsome).

And also, regarding Debipharshad not doing LL. There are lots of men who think education and money are all that matter and don't care about physical appearance. They know that they're not gonna physically attract women and they are fine with that.

I’m sure there are plenty of women who are physically attracted to Dr. D.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 11:49:10 AM
Bruce Wayne living in Turkey? LOL didn't know.

Hi Bruce. I also live in Turkey. and now, I totally understand your height neurosis. Every young mf have a height above 180cm these days. (what i mean by young is 13-18 age range).
Also as a 5'8, I'm pretty sure I could get in touch with %90 of the woman though. 5'8 is OK in Turkey. I hope you will make it one day. But for me, dating ain't the problem so I don't give a fk lol. I have been in a relationship for 2-3 years. Before that, every girl liked me in my school though. But I had never been with someone. You can understand that I've never cared about woman.

edit: If you are doing it for women, after your CLL when you get to know a girl and she starts to like you, you'll be paranoid because your prominent feature (your height) will be artificial and you'll simply know that, that girl would have never liked you if you hadn't get the CLL done. It will probably hurt. Don't do it for women!
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 07, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
I want to know the main reasons for Dr. Kevin to not do this for himself.

Benefits of doing it::

- more business. Imagine the media covering it. "limb length surgeon does it himself and goes back to work and does more limb length surgeries" "limb length surgeon shows recovery after 5 months and is all the more confident to take up more patients".

- less awkwardness with interviewers and patients. Imagine an interviewer asks on the radio, "nice you do this crazy surgery, but how tall are you yourself? " He can say 5'10 which is average height.

- other benefits of being taller other than dating (he is already married I think) of course. like social benefits, wearing whatever shoes, looking better


With all this benefits, if he has chosen to not do it, then it makes  me very curious to know the main reason. it should concern all people considering LL. dont you think?


Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 11:59:46 AM
You live in Turkey, where the average female height is 162 cm. So if you think your dating pool is not large enough, please tell me how many women you’re planning to date.

I don't live in Turkey and where I live doesn't even matter. I can just visit touristic cities/places where I will easily meet Scandinavian, Dutch girls, etc.

There are countless studies showing that people who are self-confident and happy with themselves are perceived as more attractive.

Sure, but you gotta be attractive in the first place to not become unattractive by being unhappy.

You think Danny DeVito can suddenly be a slayer by being happy? lmao

And there are billions of women who are attracted to him. Again, you can’t date every single woman on this planet anyway. And although Dave Franco is short, his potential dating pool is much larger than that of most tall men (and not only because he’s super rich but also because he’s just super handsome).

Point is height will inevitably cost us a lot. That's it. And it isn't fair to compare a celebrity to average tall joes. If you want compare him to Jason Momoa/Joe Manganiello/Henry Cavill/Robert Pattinson.

Bruce Wayne living in Turkey? LOL didn't know.

Hi Bruce. I also live in Turkey. and now, I totally understand your height neurosis. Every young mf have a height above 180cm these days. (what i mean by young is 13-18 age range).
Also as a 5'8, I'm pretty sure I could get in touch with %90 of the woman though. 5'8 is OK in Turkey. I hope you will make it one day. But for me, dating ain't the problem so I don't give a fk lol. I have been in a relationship for 2-3 years. Before that, every girl liked me in my school though. But I had never been with someone. You can understand that I've never cared about woman.

No I don't live in Turkey.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 12:02:21 PM
You think Danny DeVito can suddenly be a slayer by being happy? lmao


This got me so bad LOL!
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 07, 2020, 12:18:03 PM
What's up with you commenting on/asking other people's IQ?

Can you even read English? who said any of these things? Don't attribute this to me.

what is your IQ?

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ghkid and wannabeidol: read about ad hominem fallacy. When you can't argue logically, you attack the person. Easy.

Imagine someone sold you a get rich risk free investment scheme with posters of yatchs and mansions and hot women. But the person selling it himself poor. You must have very low IQ for this not raise any eye brow.

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I feel just as comfortable going to Debiparshad as I am going to Mahboubian even though he has less years of experience and is....... shorter. there is no discrimination.

if you cant understand this, you should check your IQ.

We can tell that yours isn't great.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 12:27:04 PM
I don't live in Turkey and where I live doesn't even matter. I can just visit touristic cities/places where I will easily meet Scandinavian, Dutch girls, etc.

Sorry, I always confuse you with “a.” But again, how large a dating pool do you need?

Sure, but you gotta be attractive in the first place to not become unattractive by being unhappy.

You think Danny DeVito can suddenly be a slayer by being happy? lmao

I didn’t say that. But confidence is an important factor when it comes to physical attraction—again, one of many factors.

Point is height will inevitably cost us a lot. That's it. And it isn't fair to compare a celebrity to average tall joes. If you want compare him to Jason Momoa/Joe Manganiello/Henry Cavill/Robert Pattinson.

I compared Dave Franco with Nikola Jokić, not with an average Joe, i.e., short and handsome vs. tall and less handsome (both are super rich). Because the point I was trying to make is that a handsome face is more important than simply being tall when it comes to physical attraction. I didn’t mean to compare someone who is short and handsome with someone who is tall and handsome.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 07, 2020, 12:27:58 PM

The best LL is when you go to "tall" from "average". If you are saying that you'd never do CLL at 170cm, it's because you were not born at that height. If I were like 160cm, I'd definetely think that 170is a good height. But it's not. It sucks. You feel like god has cursed you. He has given you everything but height. It's a real torture.

Being below 170 is 2x torture, I know. But if you are in 160cm range and be 170, you'll simply have long legs and small af torso. It has a great chance of looking bad. Me, as an average person I can tell you that my torso and my limbs are as tall as the natural tall guys. So are most of the people I know who are average. Tall people only has 5-10cm advantage coming from their legs. Their torso would be taller than mine maximumly 2cm. Why not lengthening my legs to be "tall"? It's the best gift in the world.

Mostly average people have problems with their arm length and hand length. But I'm lucky to have big hands. In my future CLL experience (if happens) the only - thing will be my slightly short arms. Nobody will care though. But if you are short and be average, it won't look as good as average to tall CLL.

It's all relative. For a fact I know that the height dysphoria from an actual short person like 165 and not you "short" being 174, curing that height dysphoria from the short person means the world.

You simply want to be above average. Some people WANT to be average or near average. The life of living significantly below average, is in my opinion, for me, much worse than you being "around average but not a Chad height". It is still bad for you, but youre not short enough where the general person would be like "that's a midget".

Becoming "not short" for me, would make me so happy. You are almost Average. You can say getting to tall is better, but actual short people face significant distress. You don't get mixed up as middle schoolers, or mixed up as elementary schoolers bro. You simply want to be a Chad and be a God. Some people like me want to NOT FEEL like a middle schooler and be on the eye level of most women.

It's all relative. So you can't really say it's better to go from average to tall than short to average, it's all dependent on thyself. I have so many diaries of 5'6 to 5'9, and these were amazing diaries and the patients never came back here, that's how you know they cured their height neurosis. At the same time I have read so many diaries of 5'8 to 5'11, and they also never came back. Everyone is an individual. I know if I get to average that would mean THE WORLD to me. And I know if you get to tall from average that would mean THE WORLD to you. So I would be refraining from saying absolutes like "short people who do this will have  shietty proportions and still not be ideal, not as good or as good as regular person doing it". Because sometimes, people don't give a   about proportions, even the patients themselves don't give a  . Curing their height neurosis and being at a higher eye levels is the Only thing They care about. And that is amazing.

And this surgery, remember, was historically done specifically for very short people.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 07, 2020, 12:34:50 PM
I compared Dave Franco with Nikola Jokić, not with an average Joe, i.e., short and handsome vs. tall and less handsome (both are super rich). Because the point I was trying to make is that a handsome face is more important than simply being tall when it comes to physical attraction. I didn’t mean to compare someone who is short and handsome with someone who is tall and handsome.

It depends. If you are handsome and 150cm you're in a worse position than a 185cm average looking guy.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 12:38:32 PM
It depends. If you are handsome and 150cm you're in a worse position than a 185cm average looking guy.

Yes, I agree. At some point, a handsome face will no longer make up for a lack in height.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 12:52:34 PM
Sorry, I always confuse you with “a.” But again, how large a dating pool do you need?

As large as the taller version of myself would have had.

I compared Dave Franco with Nikola Jokić, not with an average Joe, i.e., short and handsome vs. tall and less handsome (both are super rich). Because the point I was trying to make is that a handsome face is more important than simply being tall when it comes to physical attraction. I didn’t mean to compare someone who is short and handsome with someone who is tall and handsome.

And what most people fail to realize is that

1) Beauty is subjective. Maybe to you Dave Franco's face is great, but to others look to boyish or not their type. Whereas height can be measured. If you're 5'5" then you're 5'5", you're firmly in the short territory because you're statistically 4" under average male.

2) Facial flaws are much easier to fix. As you know plastic surgery is more affordable with much greater results and less side-effects. And for some people, simply growing facial hair can mask their ugliness.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
When asked about long term complications, he says if you are high level athlete you might lose some of that. He frequently mentions that if you are a high level athlete who wants that "nanosecond" edge over a competitor then this surgery is not for you. He also told on the "DOCTORS" show that there are studies that show there is no long term damage to joints. He also said no one patient has regretted it.

I have been watching his interviews closely. It is very clear that with the modern minimally invasive technology you will completely recover except if you need very high level athleticism. I doubt a full time 40+ surgeon would want any of that.

He even mentions the pain is manageable. he has this plastic surgeon patient (who also appeared on a tv show) who went to be doing surgeries just 2 weeks after leg length surgery.

It requires hard work for sure. but nothing a man with that much discipline and hard work (I Mean look at his resume) can't do.

5'7 is probably not a big deal in Amerca. But for someone to be this very field of cosmetic medicine and not consider doing this procedure is suspicious
The same told me my LL doctor before doing me achilles tendon lengthening, that the difference won't be visible to anyone other than athletes, and I couldn't even walk properly!
If I haven't done tendon shortening with my last doctor (God bless him) I would be doomed.
So, in a few words, doctors say bs to promote their work and get money.

Of course you'll lose a lot of athletic abilities, you risk oremature arthritis etc with LL, no matter what some doctors say. Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke.
That said, if things go well, eith a good doctor and without lengthenung too much, you'll walk good and generally be fine, but you won't be competitive in any sport that needs your feet, just an average amateur if you train hard.

So, if doing sports is the most important for you, LL wilk ruin you. If you are a normal person, LL and the social benefits of being taller will really help your life a lot. You can't have everything in life.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 07, 2020, 01:09:26 PM
And what most people fail to realize is that

1) Beauty is subjective. Maybe to you Dave Franco's face is great, but to others look to boyish or not their type. Whereas height can be measured. If you're 5'5" then you're 5'5", you're firmly in the short territory because you're statistically 4" under average male.

Meh..

The "subjective factor" is weak. If you take a handsome guy and ask a group of random women to rate him (face photo, no height involved), and the average score he gets is 9, for example, I can assure you that the 90% of them rated him 8, 9 or 10, with the majority giving a 9. The rest (<10%) are statistical outliers and their opinion doesn't mean much. So the subjectiveness of face beauty is not that important.

Height can be measured, but some women want guys only 185cm+ tall, others 175-185cm and so on.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 01:15:13 PM
Just because we’re insecure about our height, doesn’t mean everyone is. Back in my home country (where the average male height is 178 cm), I knew several guys who were 5’7” and were perfectly happy with their height. Not everyone is obsessed with their physical appearance and is willing to go through a lot of pain and sacrifice some of their athleticism just to become taller. If Dr. D. is happy with his body, why should he do LL?
Well said. Wondering why any LL doctor don't do LL on himself is plain stupid. First of all he is not that short and second, not all men have a so big height insecure like all of us here who did or plan to do LL.
LL as I wrote before has drawbacks and saying otherwise is plain stupid and unethical if you are a doctor and thats a foul of Derbipashad but noone can judge him why he didn't do LL on himself.
Dude, it’s not all about height. Some people on this forum are so obsessed with height that they think it’s the only thing that matters to women. Yes, most women wouldn’t date someone shorter than them, but that’s it. I know many tall guys who are single, and I know many short guys with attractive girlfriends. For example, my dad is 176 cm and has always been very popular with women, mostly because of his handsome face and great hair. His brother is 188 cm and has never had a girlfriend in his entire life. I also know know a guy back in my home country who is 170 cm and looks like Johnny Depp. He’s always had very attractive girlfriends and been much more popular with women than most tall guys I know. I’m not saying that height doesn’t matter (because it does), but it’s just one of many qualities that make you attractive—you don’t need to have them all.
Its not one of many qualities, it is the most important for a man to have a decent height and at least not be obese or very skinny.
If someone has a decent height, a slim or muscular body (not something extreme) with a good stylr and not an ugly face (no need to look handsome) he literally can have any woman he wants in terms of appearance and only.
If someone has nit something of these his chances are much worse but especially if he is really short (1.70 and under), his chances are minimum.
Thats the harsh reality.
Meh..

The "subjective factor" is weak. If you take a handsome guy and ask a group of random women to rate him (face photo, no height involved), and the average score he gets is 9, for example, I can assure you that the 90% of them rated him 8, 9 or 10, with a the majority giving a 9. The rest (<10%) are statistical outliers and their opinion doesn't mean much. So the subjectiveness of face beauty is not that important.

Height can be measured, but some women want guys only 185cm+ tall, others 175-185cm and so on.
Height is the most important factor for a man's appearqnce fkr women and this is objectively admited from them.
Most of them prefer dark guys but some of them like blondes, many of them like muscular guys but many also like more fit ones etc but the vast majority of women agree to ine thing about men. They want them tall or at least average. That is an objective truth and if you accept it, you can see that if you are short one (like I was before my LL) anything else doesn't matter (I had expensive clothes, big muscles like now, a good face etc but at 1.68 I was nearly invisible for most of women) and LL is the only way.
But if you are at least average, things are different,although a tall height is always a benefit, but not that crucial.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Tartar on September 07, 2020, 01:26:17 PM
Well said. Wondering why any LL doctor don't do LL on himself is plain stupid. First of all he is not that short and second, not all men have a so big height insecure like all of us here who did or plan to do LL.
LL as I wrote before has drawbacks and saying otherwise is plain stupid and unethical if you are a doctor and thats a foul of Derbipashad but noone can judge him why he didn't do LL on himself.
That’s the point, here people write such as a great height is the only thing that matter in the life. It’s full of people under 170 who are not interested about their short height, maybe they would prefer being taller but nothing else, no complex.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 01:29:58 PM
Height can be measured, but some women want guys only 185cm+ tall, others 175-185cm and so on.

I don't even care what they want anymore.

All I know is having women tilt her head down just to look me in the eyes is a HUGE turn-off.

So if you're 5'6", for example, you're probably looking at more than half of female population in the West taller than you.

However, if you're just 5'9", you're taller than at least 95% of them. Because many of them are in the 5'6"-5'9" range.

It's crazy how 2-3" can be so significant.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 01:30:12 PM
As large as the taller version of myself would have had.

OK, so if you’re convinced that the size of your current dating pool is too small, then I hope there are no other factors preventing you from finding your Mrs. Right.

And what most people fail to realize is that

1) Beauty is subjective. Maybe to you Dave Franco's face is great, but to others look to boyish or not their type. Whereas height can be measured. If you're 5'5" then you're 5'5", you're firmly in the short territory because you're statistically 4" under average male.

And what many people on this forum fail to realize is that being tall won’t get you very far if your face is ugly/average. Again, I’d rather be 170 cm and look like Dave Franco or Neymar than be tall and have an average or ugly face. Would I rather be 150 cm and look like Dave Franco or Neymar? No.

2) Facial flaws are much easier to fix. As you know plastic surgery is more affordable with much greater results and less side-effects. And for some people, simply growing facial hair can mask their ugliness.

I’d love to see some before/after photos of men with ugly faces who have become super handsome through plastic surgery.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Tartar on September 07, 2020, 01:32:37 PM
I'm 173, 175 in the morning.

Since I'm a little under average I'd benefit this surgery a lot. Because I can simply be taller for the rest of my life with good proportions.
If you are short, everything related to you will be short (average measurements, there are people with too long torso lengths for their height but it's like 1/10000). Your hands, your skull, your feet, your torso, shoulders etc.

The best LL is when you go to "tall" from "average". If you are saying that you'd never do CLL at 170cm, it's because you were not born at that height. If I were like 160cm, I'd definetely think that 170is a good height. But it's not. It sucks. You feel like god has cursed you. He has given you everything but height. It's a real torture.

Being below 170 is 2x torture, I know. But if you are in 160cm range and be 170, you'll simply have long legs and small af torso. It has a great chance of looking bad. Me, as an average person I can tell you that my torso and my limbs are as tall as the natural tall guys. So are most of the people I know who are average. Tall people only has 5-10cm advantage coming from their legs. Their torso would be taller than mine maximumly 2cm. Why not lengthening my legs to be "tall"? It's the best gift in the world.

Mostly average people have problems with their arm length and hand length. But I'm lucky to have big hands. In my future CLL experience (if happens) the only - thing will be my slightly short arms. Nobody will care though. But if you are short and be average, it won't look as good as average to tall CLL.
Dude I don’t know why but in almost every single post in this forum, even if about different topics, you always wrap up every information about your body your height your proportion claiming how good you can be with the surgery but I don’t know what’s your purpose lol. If you are so sure about this don’t worry you don’t need to look for the approval of the forum dwellers, don’t need to convince yourself
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
OK, so if you’re convinced that the size of your current dating pool is too small, then I hope there are no other factors preventing you from finding your Mrs. Right.

Lmao. No one said anything about finding Mrs. Right.

I’d love to see some before/after photos of men with ugly faces who have become super handsome through plastic surgery.

Ehm. To be honest it's not something I research deeply because I don't have that big of problems in this department. But I heard it's quite common in Korea/China.

https://www.google.com/search?q=korean+plastic+surgery+before+after&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiAh5irldfrAhUK8DgGHcRjDtsQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=korean+plastic+surgery+before+after&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzICCAAyBAgAEB4yBggAEAUQHjIGCAAQBRAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeMgYIABAIEB4yBggAEAgQHjIGCAAQCBAeUIQBWNoNYMwOaABwAHgBgAHlAYgB4gmSAQU2LjQuMZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=1DdWX4DNHYrg4-EPxMe52A0&bih=657&biw=1366

I don't know if these are real, but some of these at least gotta be.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 01:47:16 PM
If someone has a decent height, a slim or muscular body (not something extreme) with a good stylr and not an ugly face (no need to look handsome) he literally can have any woman he wants in terms of appearance and only.

If that‘s true, then why has my uncle who is 188 cm been single his entire life? He’s a great guy, not ugly, just not very handsome. I actually know quite a few guys who are not popular with women despite being tall.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 01:53:11 PM
I'm 173, 175 in the morning.

Since I'm a little under average I'd benefit this surgery a lot. Because I can simply be taller for the rest of my life with good proportions.
If you are short, everything related to you will be short (average measurements, there are people with too long torso lengths for their height but it's like 1/10000). Your hands, your skull, your feet, your torso, shoulders etc.

The best LL is when you go to "tall" from "average". If you are saying that you'd never do CLL at 170cm, it's because you were not born at that height. If I were like 160cm, I'd definetely think that 170is a good height. But it's not. It sucks. You feel like god has cursed you. He has given you everything but height. It's a real torture.

Being below 170 is 2x torture, I know. But if you are in 160cm range and be 170, you'll simply have long legs and small af torso. It has a great chance of looking bad. Me, as an average person I can tell you that my torso and my limbs are as tall as the natural tall guys. So are most of the people I know who are average. Tall people only has 5-10cm advantage coming from their legs. Their torso would be taller than mine maximumly 2cm. Why not lengthening my legs to be "tall"? It's the best gift in the world.

Mostly average people have problems with their arm length and hand length. But I'm lucky to have big hands. In my future CLL experience (if happens) the only - thing will be my slightly short arms. Nobody will care though. But if you are short and be average, it won't look as good as average to tall CLL.
Not really.
I was a very big guy, with 45cm arms and 118 chest width at 1.68 cm. Like me there are many bidybuilders with height less than 1.70 (D. Jackson, Lee Priest) who are massive but still short.
There are many big guys (big arms, wide back) who are just short as there are plenty average or tall guys who are skinny.
Big and tall is not the same.

And a short one will have more benefits if he becomes average because from almost nothing he is back in the track.
An average becoming tall has things easier than before on dating (nowhere else) amd thats it. A short one however will have benefits in everything if he becomes average.
That said if you are very short and still short after LL, things will become somehow better but still most problems will remain.

Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 07, 2020, 01:58:43 PM
^ 1000% agree
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 02:00:01 PM
If that‘s true, then why has my uncle who is 188 cm been single his entire life? He’s a great guy, not ugly, just not very handsome. I actually know quite a few guys who are not popular with women despite being tall.

Maybe he has a bad body, style or ugly face ir he is a retarf who can't even talk to a woman normally.
I can guarantee you though that if he was short he would be a disaster with women.

Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 07, 2020, 02:00:12 PM
Though if you go from very short to short, the externals may still be the same but the mental shift is HUGE for the person themselves. And ultimately that's what matters
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 07, 2020, 02:06:04 PM
The same told me my LL doctor before doing me achilles tendon lengthening, that the difference won't be visible to anyone other than athletes, and I couldn't even walk properly!
If I haven't done tendon shortening with my last doctor (God bless him) I would be doomed.
So, in a few words, doctors say bs to promote their work and get money.

Of course you'll lose a lot of athletic abilities, you risk oremature arthritis etc with LL, no matter what some doctors say. Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke.
That said, if things go well, eith a good doctor and without lengthenung too much, you'll walk good and generally be fine, but you won't be competitive in any sport that needs your feet, just an average amateur if you train hard.

So, if doing sports is the most important for you, LL wilk ruin you. If you are a normal person, LL and the social benefits of being taller will really help your life a lot. You can't have everything in life.

Ive no idea where you got this done, but Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is board certified and American. He has degrees from Harvard and a great  Canada university and done fellowship with Paley. He uses newest and minimally invasive technology. He is confident of this procedure enough to bring it to main stream attention.

He went to "DOCTORS" TV show and presented a patient to a live audience. You have to be really confident about this to do that. He has done interviews with major media outlets. Telling some lies to patients in person is one thing but in front a live TV audience seen by hundreds of thousands is a different matter. He is putting a lot of reputation at stake. He wouldnt do it unless he was sure.

He wants this procedure to become mainstream and not something only crazy people do. This builds confidence in the procedure. People can do it without hiding.

The only thing for me is to see "skin in the game". If he does it for himself, I Would be convinced 100%.

In fact I still have hope that he will do this some day. That he will be pausing new patients for a month or two until his surgery is done. Then it will become more mainstream.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Dude I don’t know why but in almost every single post in this forum, even if about different topics, you always wrap up every information about your body your height your proportion claiming how good you can be with the surgery but I don’t know what’s your purpose lol. If you are so sure about this don’t worry you don’t need to look for the approval of the forum dwellers, don’t need to convince yourself

Cus that's how I am Tartar. Yes you don't "know". Das how 'am rollin'. You might wanna simply ignore my content. I'm a supermaniac. I'll keep asking these questions again. Tomorrow again, later, again. You'll see a lot of my stupid posts here. If only there was a blocking feature. You could simply block me and boom.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 02:11:19 PM


edit: If you are doing it for women, after your CLL when you get to know a girl and she starts to like you, you'll be paranoid because your prominent feature (your height) will be artificial and you'll simply know that, that girl would have never liked you if you hadn't get the CLL done. It will probably hurt. Don't do it for women!
Becoming tall from average is only for women and easier dating.
If you are not doing it for dating at your height, then you are comoletely false and delutional.

I did LL mostly for that and I am thinkimg to become really tall with another LL only for that, as now at 1.76 I don't face difficulties in any other aspect of my life. And I never cared if a woman dated me at my orevious height, she may not and I don't care at all. She wouldn't maybe date me if I was skinny and not muscular or if I wore bad clothes. But I am what I am and my new height is a part of me so I don't care about all these nonsense.
After all, I wouldn't date too a woman if she didn't have a fit body or king hairs, etc. So if my current gf was obese I wouldn't have dated her. But she isn't, as I am not short anymore. So noone cares about all these, you are what you look now, not in the past. And any LLer tried a lot for his height so he must be much more proud of it compared to any natural born average-tall guy.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 02:24:16 PM
I'm definetely not doing it for dating. As I said, nobody has ever called me short. It's all about my perspective. I want to be the guy in my standarts and there's nothing wrong with that. My mindset is what kills me. I'm a do or die guy. If there's a thing which can make you taller, I'd prefer dying while doing it. I just don't want to stay in this range. I just wanna be taller. That's plain.

Also yeah, I wanna be modelling. Probably ain't gonna be a professional but who cares. I'm thinking about starting my own clothing company soon. I have 2-3 close relatvies who are in this industry so my back is tight. I'm not delusional or anything lol.. Also, my style is good but nothing fkn fits me because of my height. I need longer limbs. It's all about liking myself when I look at the mirror. Sometimes I don't even wanna go out because of my height.

second edit: If I were taller I'd probably be the guy who every girl is trying to fk with but he doesn't care at all. I'm not really into these stuff tbh lol. Fking, sxx etc. Because in my entire high school time I've made out so much that I'm fkn fulfilled for life now. I'm a kid btw. You all are older than me.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 02:28:11 PM
You can't have everything in life.

Not exactly. Some people do have everything in life. CR7 is the definition of having everything in life. Basically there are lots of tall athletes.

Athletic functions are a huge sacrifice. Even if you're not a professional athlete, it will still be helpful in some situations

Says you're being attacked and chased by some thugs on the streets and you are required to run as fast as possible for survival.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 02:30:55 PM
Ive no idea where you got this done, but Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is board certified and American. He has degrees from Harvard and a great  Canada university and done fellowship with Paley. He uses newest and minimally invasive technology. He is confident of this procedure enough to bring it to main stream attention.

He went to "DOCTORS" TV show and presented a patient to a live audience. You have to be really confident about this to do that. He has done interviews with major media outlets. Telling some lies to patients in person is one thing but in front a live TV audience seen by hundreds of thousands is a different matter. He is putting a lot of reputation at stake. He wouldnt do it unless he was sure.

He wants this procedure to become mainstream and not something only crazy people do. This builds confidence in the procedure. People can do it without hiding.

The only thing for me is to see "skin in the game". If he does it for himself, I Would be convinced 100%.

In fact I still have hope that he will do this some day. That he will be pausing new patients for a month or two until his surgery is done. Then it will become more mainstream.
You are delusional.
Breaking your bones and inserting internal nails or external screws and giving many dollars while in pain, risking terrible consequences (infections, nerve damage) and never being able to use your feet at 100% as you did before will NEVER become mainstream.
And I don't care what Derbipashad or some crooks all over the world (especialy on third world countries) say about LL, almost no resoectable doctor does it for cosmetic surgery and that means a lot of how risky it is and what consequences it has for a healthy person.

LL is only fir the strong, brave and most if all determined to leave behind all the social stigma that comes with a bad height on a man.
A real LLer won't care how much exact percentage of athletic abilities will lose and all these bs that people who will never have the guts to do LL always talk about.
A real LL'er finds a doctor that he can trust, gathers the money for the best he can afford (if he has a lot then Stryde, if the budget is tight then external tibias) and does it, with all the risks and knowing that he'll never be like before, from a minor degree if everything goes well to a big.
Everyrhing else is for delusionals ehi believe businessmen doctors telling them that they will be 100% like before, without risks and pain. Things that are totally bs and lies.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 02:40:01 PM
Not exactly. Some people do have everything in life. CR7 is the definition of having everything in life. Basically there are lots of tall athletes.

Athletic functions are a huge sacrifice. Even if you're not a professional athlete, it will still be helpful in some situations

Says you're being attacked and chased by some thugs on the streets and you are required to run as fast as possible for survival.
You can't have LL and a very good height with 100% function.
Thats what I was saying.
If course some men are very lucky to have a very good appearance but they may luck in braims, education etc like CR7.
Noone is perfect.

If you are attacked from thiefs, most of the times you won't run because you are risking your life.mych more.
Also, it will be better to have a magnum with you than be fast, so if you don't carry a gun you could say that you are in a disadvantage and everyone should own a gun.
All these are hypotheses.
The only way to become taller is doing LL and it is for sure that you'll lose some of your athletic abilities.

If avoiding thiefs and running fast is more important from having everyday benefits or at least don't face drawbacks for your height, then you can choose to remain as you are.
Personally, I am more than happy walking normal and running slowly at 1.76 than I ever was at running really fast at 1.68,5.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 07, 2020, 02:40:39 PM
Height is the most important factor for a man's appearqnce fkr women and this is objectively admited from them.
Most of them prefer dark guys but some of them like blondes, many of them like muscular guys but many also like more fit ones etc but the vast majority of women agree to ine thing about men. They want them tall or at least average. That is an objective truth and if you accept it, you can see that if you are short one (like I was before my LL) anything else doesn't matter (I had expensive clothes, big muscles like now, a good face etc but at 1.68 I was nearly invisible for most of women) and LL is the only way.
But if you are at least average, things are different,although a tall height is always a benefit, but not that crucial.

Not if you belong in the normal height range, a 178cm 9/10 face will beat a 186cm 6/10 face. Of course a 8/10 185cm guy will have an advantage over a 9/10 176cm one. If you go below 175cm, it's becoming harder and harder and you'd have to make up with extremely handsome face, money and I don't fking know what else.
I'm pretty sure there's a point in height, be it 150, 155, 160cm where it doesn't even matter how handsome you are, even if you have a 10/10 gorgeous face you will take NOs from women. There's no handsome face escape latch. It's the black hole event short height reject horizon.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Tartar on September 07, 2020, 03:04:57 PM
Cus that's how I am Tartar. Yes you don't "know". Das how 'am rollin'. You might wanna simply ignore my content. I'm a supermaniac. I'll keep asking these questions again. Tomorrow again, later, again. You'll see a lot of my stupid posts here. If only there was a blocking feature. You could simply block me and boom.
A don’t be offended, you can open many talks about it, I just say this to avoid going off topic too many times
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Tartar on September 07, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
Guys I just think that in the life moderation is needed. You can be short, but not too short, going under 170 your appearance start decreasing, exponentially under 165. You can be ugly but not too ugly. You can be out of proportion, but not too much, not a freak. That’s all. There are some aesthetic traits for which you need a minimum value, if you don’t have this minimum value it’s very hard to compensate with your others qualities.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 07, 2020, 04:16:45 PM
You can't have LL and a very good height with 100% function.
Thats what I was saying.
If course some men are very lucky to have a very good appearance but they may luck in braims, education etc like CR7.
Noone is perfect.

If you are attacked from thiefs, most of the times you won't run because you are risking your life.mych more.
Also, it will be better to have a magnum with you than be fast, so if you don't carry a gun you could say that you are in a disadvantage and everyone should own a gun.
All these are hypotheses.
The only way to become taller is doing LL and it is for sure that you'll lose some of your athletic abilities.

If avoiding thiefs and running fast is more important from having everyday benefits or at least don't face drawbacks for your height, then you can choose to remain as you are.
Personally, I am more than happy walking normal and running slowly at 1.76 than I ever was at running really fast at 1.68,5.

Running fast is just an example. What I'm trying to say is athletic functions aren't really something to underestimate.

And if only it's the only trade-off of LL, I probably would still do it. But apart from that,

1. It isn't free. It costs a lot of money.

2. Several months of unbearable pain. Some say it's more painful than getting hit by a car.

3. All things that can go wrong during surgery & lengthening phase: infection, fat embolism, non-union, etc. Unicorn is the best example  for this.

4. If you're lucky and pass all those, you'll still face possible long term complications: such as the one you mentioned: "premature arthritis" which among the popular ones. And the unpopular ones such as possible shortened life expectancy.

Because you said "Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke." Is it possible that it will cause any circulatory problems/your heart having to work harder making you more prone to life-threathening disease such as cardiac arrest and such?

5. And on top of that: reduced athletic functions (guaranteed)

Then you gain 2".
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 07, 2020, 04:57:24 PM
Guys I just think that in the life moderation is needed. You can be short, but not too short, going under 170 your appearance start decreasing, exponentially under 165. You can be ugly but not too ugly. You can be out of proportion, but not too much, not a freak. That’s all. There are some aesthetic traits for which you need a minimum value, if you don’t have this minimum value it’s very hard to compensate with your others qualities.

+1.
I would add that we need a better alternative for height increase.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Tartar on September 07, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
+1.
I would add that we need a better alternative for height increase.
Yes but at least we can go for this one, once not even LL was possibile
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 07, 2020, 06:12:46 PM
Yes but at least we can go for this one, once not even LL was possibile

Sure, but
Running fast is just an example. What I'm trying to say is athletic functions aren't really something to underestimate.

And if only it's the only trade-off of LL, I probably would still do it. But apart from that,

1. It isn't free. It costs a lot of money.

2. Several months of unbearable pain. Some say it's more painful than getting hit by a car.

3. All things that can go wrong during surgery & lengthening phase: infection, fat embolism, non-union, etc. Unicorn is the best example  for this.

4. If you're lucky and pass all those, you'll still face possible long term complications: such as the one you mentioned: "premature arthritis" which among the popular ones. And the unpopular ones such as possible shortened life expectancy.

Because you said "Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke." Is it possible that it will cause any circulatory problems/your heart having to work harder making you more prone to life-threathening disease such as cardiac arrest and such?

5. And on top of that: reduced athletic functions (guaranteed)

Then you gain 2".

These look much more interesting imo.

Not necessarily surgery related, but check out these (recent ones):

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/the-most-important-topic-in-growth-plate-reopening-t1029-s10.html

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65449.0

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/08/Researchers-find-method-to-regrow-cartilage-in-the-joints.html

https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2020/08/adenosine-injected-into-arthritic-joints-produces-cartilage-regrowth/

https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 07:54:17 PM
Not if you belong in the normal height range, a 178cm 9/10 face will beat a 186cm 6/10 face. Of course a 8/10 185cm guy will have an advantage over a 9/10 176cm one. If you go below 175cm, it's becoming harder and harder and you'd have to make up with extremely handsome face, money and I don't fking know what else.

Spot on! Based on my experience, in some countries even a 170 cm guy with a 9-10/10 face can “beat” a 186 cm guy with a 6/10 face (not in countries like the Netherlands, though, where there are hardly any women below 170 cm).
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 08:02:53 PM
Guys, don't hate me but I think being ugly is almost IMPOSSIBLE lol! You can easily get your nose fixed, lips, jawline etc. I'd rather being 1/100 handsome of my actual version with a height of 6'1.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 08:21:14 PM
Guys, don't hate me but I think being ugly is almost IMPOSSIBLE lol! You can easily get your nose fixed, lips, jawline etc. I'd rather being 1/100 handsome of my actual version with a height of 6'1.

Be careful what you wish for. Your height neurosis is clouding your judgment. It’s delusional to think that, e.g., Wayne Rooney can easily become as handsome as David Beckham by having his nose, jawline, etc. fixed through plastic surgery.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/09/04/12/06552050000005DC-0-image-a-50_1472988448472.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 08:39:11 PM
Another example: Neymar vs. Ronaldinho

(https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/GOAL/96/ff/neymar-ronaldinho_13in3uvtmhhr315t1nbjc26pu8.jpg?t=-649333375&quality=100)

So you’d rather look like Ronaldinho because he’s taller and can easily become as handsome as Neymar (at least in your opinion)?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 07, 2020, 09:38:40 PM
Methinks the life of being an athletically hindered arthritis prone 173 man outweighs the suffering of living as a 165 boy, for at least 20 years lol. Obviously once the long term effects of arthritis start coming in, I'll obviously not like it, but for the lifetime of height neurosis gone and 20 years of enjoyment and comfort and increased confidence in me body, me thinks it worth.

And in 20 years, we will probably have pretty darned advanced medicine. Heck, we can fukking reverse osteoporosis and shiet with a single pill and shiet and shiet and like things are only gonna improve, we can make kids fukkin grow taller without major side effects and none long term, we got meds that turn prediabetic fatassess into healthy blood sugar ppl. Id take the arthritis over 20 years or lifetime of height neurosis and body dysphoria.

And like c'mon, 30% of the us population is obese. Like 70% is overweight. These are people who have significant health issues, a third of the fkin country. Everyone has problems these days. The average person is a fat, couch slobbing mf with significant health issues. And that's probably gonna be us when we are 60. So we ain't rly standing out from the crowd with health problems at old age, everyone be like dis hehe xd. Only like 1% of people are athletic enough to need max performance tbh. As long as u can fukkin run, go to gym, your fine even if LL fked ur running speed.

I wecommend do whatever da fuk u want to be happy. 25 years of reducing mental illness now IF ITS THAT DEBILITATING TO THE POINT YOU OBSSESS OVER HEIGHT EVERYDAY AND FACE DYSPHORIA DAILY, curing this aspect of your life is mucho better than tryna retain the arthritis free lifestyle when your 50 years old lol or having full athletic function versus like 80%.

We take dese tradss
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 09:55:11 PM
I'm glad this topic was made. It lead us, the forum members, into a conversation flow. A lot of people have talked. I kinda like it.

edit: I wish forum was as talkative as today, everyday.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 07, 2020, 09:59:07 PM
Also, we are lucky that the medicine system will probably be improved to an incredible level. There will possibly be drugs curing any possible side effects come from CLL. Healthcare industry is a fkn blessing.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 10:22:55 PM
Running fast is just an example. What I'm trying to say is athletic functions aren't really something to underestimate.

And if only it's the only trade-off of LL, I probably would still do it. But apart from that,

1. It isn't free. It costs a lot of money.

2. Several months of unbearable pain. Some say it's more painful than getting hit by a car.

3. All things that can go wrong during surgery & lengthening phase: infection, fat embolism, non-union, etc. Unicorn is the best example  for this.

4. If you're lucky and pass all those, you'll still face possible long term complications: such as the one you mentioned: "premature arthritis" which among the popular ones. And the unpopular ones such as possible shortened life expectancy.

Because you said "Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke." Is it possible that it will cause any circulatory problems/your heart having to work harder making you more prone to life-threathening disease such as cardiac arrest and such?

5. And on top of that: reduced athletic functions (guaranteed)

Then you gain 2".
I generally agree although I had almost zero pain with my monorails. External LL is much more painless than internals, thats why in tibias it is the best and safest way.

But still the biggest problem for me is money.
I would trade some more of my (already reduced) athletic abilities for another 6-7 cm and I could handle the pain for a few months and take the risks, but 50k+ euros for Stryde (the only way to do femur LL imo) are too many and even if I can hardly afford them, I should cut much of my everyday habits to pay for and at my current height it does not worth it.
At my past height, it would really worth it and also, if I won 1 million in the lottery it would have been the first thing to do, but sensibly thinking, giving 50k with a salary of about 1500 euros to gain 7cm when you are 1.76 is a big no.
So, even I know very well all the difficulties with LL as I am a veteran, the main reason I am not doing it again is money.
And thats something I hope it will change in the future, LL becoming more affordable.
But I really doubt it unless we have many new doctors start doing cosmetic LL for the prices to start geting down.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: BelowTheMean on September 08, 2020, 02:05:26 AM
Ive no idea where you got this done, but Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is board certified and American. He has degrees from Harvard and a great  Canada university and done fellowship with Paley. He uses newest and minimally invasive technology. He is confident of this procedure enough to bring it to main stream attention.

He went to "DOCTORS" TV show and presented a patient to a live audience. You have to be really confident about this to do that. He has done interviews with major media outlets. Telling some lies to patients in person is one thing but in front a live TV audience seen by hundreds of thousands is a different matter. He is putting a lot of reputation at stake. He wouldnt do it unless he was sure.

He wants this procedure to become mainstream and not something only crazy people do. This builds confidence in the procedure. People can do it without hiding.

The only thing for me is to see "skin in the game". If he does it for himself, I Would be convinced 100%.

In fact I still have hope that he will do this some day. That he will be pausing new patients for a month or two until his surgery is done. Then it will become more mainstream.

There’s a problem here that I just thought of. Who would he get it done with, Paley? Wouldn’t that also be free advertising for that doc then? “The CLL doctor that other CLL doctors trust!”
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 08, 2020, 05:10:32 AM
Another example: Neymar vs. Ronaldinho

(https://images.daznservices.com/di/library/GOAL/96/ff/neymar-ronaldinho_13in3uvtmhhr315t1nbjc26pu8.jpg?t=-649333375&quality=100)

So you’d rather look like Ronaldinho because he’s taller and can easily become as handsome as Neymar (at least in your opinion)?

A little off-topic, but speaking of Neymar. I just thought of the following incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjccVaBhAlQ

By the way, Neymar is still good height at 1.73, so not a good example to represent short men.

Average and tall is different from short and tall.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 08, 2020, 05:18:02 AM
There’s a problem here that I just thought of. Who would he get it done with, Paley? Wouldn’t that also be free advertising for that doc then? “The CLL doctor that other CLL doctors trust!”

That's a great point. I Think the benefits far outweigh the free publicity some other doctor gets. He can go to Paley who is 20k more expensive and he is the teacher after all. There is always a reason for people to still prefer Debiparshad (Cost and location).

And remember there are patient privacy rules that Paley cant go to media and take attention for operating on Kevin Debiparshad. Only if Kevin Debiparshad agrees can that happen.

I think this will be a major breakthrough in the field of cosmetic  leg length surgery. It will become like any plastic surgery. Such a smart accomplished person (Debiparshad) doing it for himself will make it a normal surgery, not something only crazy people do.

I hate it when other doctors go "I am an expert in this surgery, we do it only for extreme mental cases or for deformities. the risks are too high. it is not for every one" whatever whatever. Kevin Debiparshad can change all that.


Skin in the game baby. People underestimate what this means.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 05:25:02 AM
Hey u cunt....i think u probably cant even get it wht and whom am referring to....i think its u need a better brain thn a bit more height..dumb witless twat.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 05:34:04 AM
Yea yea u increase ur height day by day so much it feels like u r still growing😆..175 lol....and u talk abt urself as if all the goodness in this world starts with u....u cunt u think getting a ove 180 is all that matters and all the guys here who want to just cross 170 or 165 are worthless fanatics r8....according to u a man is amn only if he is above 180..so by ur standards half the 1/3 of the population are nothing not even human probably coz they are below 180....grow up u mind freak..even i can get to 6 feet with cll am only 2 cm shorter thn u...but i aint a witless cunt like u...at least god helped me with tht....dude try to grow up with ur mind rather thn stature coz u cant just buy it with money..and for people like its really hard grow mentally...fking witless narcissist.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 05:41:30 AM
Unlike u and me he is not self obbsessed with his body image..if does that its probably 1 year with his work of and for an orthopedic surgeon of his skill it easily means 1 m dollars in losses....as simple as tht..and dude he is a surgeon he needs to stand like 10 to 14 hours on a busy day too much load for a surgeon already and can u imagine it with broken legs....it will easily puah him 1 or 2 years back financially and for him its like  1 or 2 million $..qnd i know this coz my brother is a MD graduate on medicine himself..as simple as tht.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 06:09:16 AM
Dude if the there is a defination of cunt then it explains u....u dumfk u r a kid..thts y u dnt know how the world works and what really matters and what doesnt i am sure if u were like 165 or anything u wld have done suicide by now given ur mental maturity coz at tht height no girl wld have given u a fk abt u coz u r such a childish guy with i gues relatively low IQ....lucky for u tht u r 173..with average looks probably thts the only reason i guess u are living..otherwise the likes of u dnt live very long coz u have really dim witted mentality....and tht can naver be fixed u cant just increase ur IQ or mental maturity with surgery.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 06:16:29 AM
Hey body builder i think u can still do monorail+LON femurs..its not hth bad..maybe a bit cumbersome thn stryde but far less expensive..and results are nearly same.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 08, 2020, 08:49:22 AM
I used to respect you but look at your responses. Please do not talk to me ever again.
Calling someone a "cunt" is not acceptable. It's a big word. I hope you find the peace in your mind and try to approach things differently. You are probably older than me, and insulting me. I hope you change yourself. You should be a good example for those who are younger than you. As I said, do not talk to me ever again. Do not answer to this comment.

Best Regards

Edit: my IQ is actually a little bit above 125. But yes. You decide my IQ Alamin, right? Manchild.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 08, 2020, 08:57:15 AM
Do not attack publicly. If you got problems, contact me via pm. End of the discussion. I'm not going to insult someone who is older than me. You called me an insane amount of cussing words such as twat, cunt, dumb.
Guess I'm more mature than you Sir. Seriously, don't get mad and don't answer this comment. From now on if you want to talk or insult, contact me via PM. Nobody here has to take your crap.

Regards
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: drxboom on September 08, 2020, 10:57:23 AM
I'm 173, 175 in the morning.

Since I'm a little under average I'd benefit this surgery a lot. Because I can simply be taller for the rest of my life with good proportions.
If you are short, everything related to you will be short (average measurements, there are people with too long torso lengths for their height but it's like 1/10000). Your hands, your skull, your feet, your torso, shoulders etc.

The best LL is when you go to "tall" from "average". If you are saying that you'd never do CLL at 170cm, it's because you were not born at that height. If I were like 160cm, I'd definetely think that 170is a good height. But it's not. It sucks. You feel like god has cursed you. He has given you everything but height. It's a real torture.

Being below 170 is 2x torture, I know. But if you are in 160cm range and be 170, you'll simply have long legs and small af torso. It has a great chance of looking bad. Me, as an average person I can tell you that my torso and my limbs are as tall as the natural tall guys. So are most of the people I know who are average. Tall people only has 5-10cm advantage coming from their legs. Their torso would be taller than mine maximumly 2cm. Why not lengthening my legs to be "tall"? It's the best gift in the world.

Mostly average people have problems with their arm length and hand length. But I'm lucky to have big hands. In my future CLL experience (if happens) the only - thing will be my slightly short arms. Nobody will care though. But if you are short and be average, it won't look as good as average to tall CLL.

is ridiculous. In fact, cll is more important for people shorter than 170. If you do 170 175 180 cll, it will not be as good as the person that 160 people get it done.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 08, 2020, 11:05:20 AM
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Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 08, 2020, 12:37:12 PM
is ridiculous. In fact, cll is more important for people shorter than 170. If you do 170 175 180 cll, it will not be as good as the person that 160 people get it done.

It depends really. If you are Dutch and 170cm, (objectively) you are in a worse position than an Indian who's at 160cm.
Not to mention that height neurosis hits everyone differently.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 08, 2020, 12:54:12 PM
So it's all relative, and there's no one height that makes it better or worse. Perhaps the 180cm is legitimately considering suicide for not being a Chad height and therefore if he got the height surgery then objectively his impact will be much better than the 165cm guy who wasnt considering suicide
... Because now the 180cm is alive

So it's personal, no point is saying this is better or this is worse or he or she will have less impact by doing this surgery. It's yourself. You decide if it's worth for you. Only you can decide for yourself
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 08, 2020, 01:11:30 PM
Thank you so much, both. You guys really understand me lol. Look at this pity man, talking as if this place is his father's property! People need to man up. Have some respect. Again, thank you brothers.

As O_99 said "not to mention that height neurosis hits everyone differently" EXACTLY! Just because I'm an average guy or other people who are average or tall, they might still be obsessed in a high level!

Ghkid, excellent. Every word you said are more than true. I hope one day everyone will be as understanding as you.

Alamin, even though I'm probably younger than you, here is your life lesson: If you want to change someone's opinion, be nice rather than cussing!

There are 2 seperated things which are the same in the end.
1- statistically being short
2- FEELING short no matter what your height is

Someone really needs to read some psychological books! And also, a book related to etiquette!

Best Regards for those who deserves
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 08, 2020, 01:47:26 PM
Hey body builder i think u can still do monorail+LON femurs..its not hth bad..maybe a bit cumbersome thn stryde but far less expensive..and results are nearly same.
Dude, externals on femurs is a big no, even eith monotrails and LON-LATN.
Also, no respectable doctor offers that option because for femurs internals only is the only way to go.
And Stryde is by far the best nail out there, so only that is an option for me.
But too expensive unfortunately.

If I did tibias however, externals only would have been my choice again and again. But with tsf and not monorails cause it is by far the safest way of doing LL. But we are offtopic.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 08, 2020, 02:05:16 PM
All these discussions are not quite useful if the surgery itself is not safe. If a surgeon who could get it done and knows the procedure inside out chose not to, there must be a good reason for it.

Dont use people with body dysmorphia as examples or inspiration. For them this might be worth it despite the risks.

To me some one as "sane headed" and smart like Dr. Kevin Debiparshad's personal take on the matter is very important.

even he thinks "yea this surgery exists, but I dont wanna do it for myself. I have some things going in life like Im married and good career. I dont want to risk any long term problems by doing this surgery"

To me that says a lot!
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 02:35:59 PM
Did u really😅..i am really sorry bro i am so sorry..i was in a very bad mood lately..actually since a few days....i just came to the forum today and i dnt knw y i just wanted to speak   here for no reason..dont take it srsly bro..and this is also for anyone else whose sentiments i hurt..we are all bro and sis here..we all face the same problem more or less..so we shld help each other in whtever way we can but smetimes things do go sideways..i apologize on my behalf..sorry mate..but A i think you shld be a bit more conservative and thoughtful with wht u write coz u knw there are guys who wld never reach ur goal or ur stats even with cll so we shld be mindful not to hurt anyone's sentiments coz u know height is subjective in a way and setting a benchmark is not a very good idea..u and i may be lucky tht we can think abt getting to above 6 feet mark but some of our other brothers aint tht lucky enough..and so rather be self obbsessed with ourselfs we should think about collective options and wellbeing for all future llers including us....and ofcourse wht u have r8 now is good..it urs enjoy it but putting em here on the forum in a irrevalent manner is i guess pretty gross and idiotic somehow..at last sorry for my misbehaviour i love u bro u a great guy just with a bit on the younger side with the mindset😅..but am it will change coz wid age comes wisdom and maturity.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 02:47:56 PM
At ur current height i guess u r pretty much ok..coz u also have a muscular body so things really do tend to get manly on ur account..coz i know some of my friends who are muscular and also at ur height and belive me they sinply slay..even way good looking physically then some of my 6ft and above frnds..coz they are akinny and some are just obese....so its not a very real neccesity for u to get the femurs done.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 08, 2020, 02:54:06 PM
It depends really. If you are Dutch and 170cm, (objectively) you are in a worse position than an Indian who's at 160cm.
Not to mention that height neurosis hits everyone differently.

Not really. Actually country shouldn't really be used to measure this.

People move all the time. But you can't change your height and race.

Being 160cm as a man is a death sentence in terms of being physically attractive regardless of what race he is.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Kal el on September 08, 2020, 02:57:18 PM
Dude if u dont have body dysmorphia why wld u do it on the first place..ppl do this thing to kill the height neurosis which is in itself a mental condition and like a disease that haunt them from time to time thts the main reason to do it coz it is a reward in itself and relives them of their neurosis and it definately outweighs the risk of other complications related to the surgery..if u dnt have height neurosis then y wld u even do it....its like having having cancer u know if u do chemotherapy u will cure the cancer but ur body will take a lot of toll u will loss ur hairs and ur immune aystem will be compromised for the rest of ur life but all this complications get outweigh by the fact that u will cure ur cancer....as simple as tht.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 08, 2020, 03:02:38 PM
Not really. Actually country shouldn't really be used to measure this.

People move all the time. But you can't change your height and race.

Being 160cm as a man is a death sentence in terms of being physically attractive regardless of what race he is.

Average male height in India is 164-5cm. https://www.insider.com/shortest-people-in-world-by-country-2019-6#14-india-15876cm-5-feet-250-inches-12
If you are 160cm in India, you are 5cm below average.

Average male height in the Netherlands is 183cm. https://www.insider.com/tallest-people-world-countries-ranked-2019-6#1-the-netherlands-17562cm-5-feet-796-inches-25
If you are 170cm in the Netherlands, you're almost 15cm below average.

Hell, I know a Dutch guy at 175cm who left his country and moved to England because of his height. At 175cm as an Indian you're good.

How many Indians move away from their country/compared to the total population?

And how many Dutch people leave their country/compared to the total population?

I agree that country (height) shouldn't isn't used only to measure this, because of globalization, the internet culture etc.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 08, 2020, 03:37:14 PM
Average male height in India is 164-5cm.

Average male height in the Netherlands is 184cm.

How many Indians move away from their country?

And how many Dutch people leave their country?

I actually highly doubt that the average height of Indian male for younger generation is the one you describe. That must include older men from rural areas. I lived in Malaysia before where Indian constitutes 7% of the country's population. And I can say that more than half of them are taller than me (5'6"). Most Bangladesh men are shorten than me though.

Ok, maybe, there are a few things where the 170cm Dutch will have it harder such being made fun more by their country people or harder to get a job (I honestly don't know if that happens that way). Adults here don't really make fun of another adults' height.

But 160cm is physically too short for a man regardless of race. Of course this 160cm Indian will still be able to marry someone when he got money. If that's all his life is about, then yes, he'll have no problems. After all, Indian women are more conservative-type, don't really engage in premarital sex.

I personally like to think bigger than a country. It's within the realm of possibility for the 160cm Indian man who's already short in his country to move to EU/US and feel even shorter. Indian students studying abroad are common. They also do travel. There are touristic cities in India where they'll meet tourists and expats.

And the 170cm Dutch guy can go to any other European country where he'll still look like any other European guy but the average height is significantly lower. The average height in France is only 174 for example.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 08, 2020, 03:59:24 PM
(1) I actually highly doubt that the average height of Indian male for younger generation is the one you describe. That must include older men from rural areas.

(2) I lived in Malaysia before where Indian constitutes 7% of the country's population. And I can say that more than half of them are taller than me (5'6"). Most Bangladesh men are shorten than me though.

Ok, maybe, there are a few things where the 170cm Dutch will have it harder such being made fun more by their country people or harder to get a job (I honestly don't know if that happens that way). Adults here don't really make fun of another adults' height.

(3) But 160cm is physically too short for a man regardless of race. Of course this 160cm Indian will still be able to marry someone when he got money. If that's all his life is about, then yes, he'll have no problems. After all, Indian women are more conservative-type, don't really engage in premarital sxx.

(4) I personally like to think bigger than a country. It's within the realm of possibility for the 160cm Indian man who's already short in his country to move to EU/US and feel even shorter. Indian students studying abroad are common. They also do travel.

There are touristic cities in India where they'll meet tourists and expats.

(5) And the 170cm Dutch guy can go to any other European country where he'll still look like any other European guy but the average height is significantly lower. The average height in France is only 174 for example.

(1) It's actually from a 20-49 age group. The younger generation is probably a bit higher (+x cm), but the younger generation is a bit higher (+y cm) in the Netherlands too. And x>y seems logical because of the greater improvement in nutrition and faster economic growth in India.

(2) Ok, let's say that the younger generation's average height in India is at 168cm average. It's safe to say that the younger generation's average height in the Netherlands is 185cm+. That's still a 8cm difference for the 160cm Indian guy and around 15-16cm for the Dutch (or those who live in the Netherlands).

(3) The point is that it's worse being 170cm in the Netherlands (below country's women average) than being 160cm in India.

(4) But again, the percentage of Indians that leave their country is much much smaller than the those who stay. Remember, India has 1.353 bn people as of now.

(5) It's safe to say that most Dutch people prefer to stay in their country. Also, the average male height in France is around 180cm, not 174cm (which means probably 181-182cm average young generation's height).
https://www.insider.com/tallest-people-world-countries-ranked-2019-6#21-france-17231cm-5-feet-783-inches-5
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: Body Builder on September 08, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
At ur current height i guess u r pretty much ok..coz u also have a muscular body so things really do tend to get manly on ur account..coz i know some of my friends who are muscular and also at ur height and belive me they sinply slay..even way good looking physically then some of my 6ft and above frnds..coz they are akinny and some are just obese....so its not a very real neccesity for u to get the femurs done.
Becoming taller, even at 1,76, will give me some aesthetic benefits especially since my tibias are too long after tibia LL, so a longer femurs would look better.
But yes, my height compared with my muscles make me manly enough.
The biggest problem is at night, were all women wear massive heels, I am almost the same height with most of them.
If heels disapleared then the difference of height I have with the majority of women (5+ cm) is very ok with me.

That said, of course it is not a necessity and as I said in an other topic, I won't do another LL because I have an important relationship and I have much more important things to do eith 50k euros than looking better with becoming tall.
I would do a new LL only if I really find a lot money to not care about spending 50k, because I am not afraid of the consequences (walking normally and some running is more than enough for me, I am an amateur bber after all and that eon't change, I don't play football to really need my feet at 100%), I just would have found a resoectable doctor to kinimize the risks.

At 1.75-6, noone needs LL, at 1.68 (my initial height) things are very different though. My first LL was a necessity to live completely normal without the short stigma. Another LL eould have been only to have very easy dates, nothing else.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 08, 2020, 04:09:11 PM
(1) It's actually from a 20-49 age group. The younger generation is probably a bit higher (x cm), but the younger generation is a bit higher (y cm) in the Netherlands. And x>y seems logical because of nutrition and faster economic growth in India.

(2) Ok, let's say that the younger generation average height in India is at 168cm average. It's safe to say that the younger generation height in the Netherlands is 185cm+. That's still a 8cm difference for the 160cm Indian guy and around 15-16cm for the Dutch (or those who live in the Netherlands).

(3) The point is that it's worse being 170cm in the Netherlands (below women average) than being 160cm in India.

(4) But again, the percentage of Indians that leave their country is much much smaller than the those who stay. Remember, India has 1.353 bn population as of now.

(5) It's safe to say that most Dutch people prefer to stay in their country. Also the average male height in France is around 180cm
https://www.insider.com/tallest-people-world-countries-ranked-2019-6#21-france-17231cm-5-feet-783-inches-5

When you say better/worse, it's in terms of what?

I'd say that in general, someone remained in India will not have as good of a life's quality as someone in EU/US.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: a on September 08, 2020, 04:17:01 PM
How tall are you Bruce Wayne?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 08, 2020, 04:18:13 PM
When you say better/worse, it's in terms of what?

In terms of being short sucks (for your country), regardless of specific environment, family, friends, etc. It's objectively s**t  if you are short. "We" all know what I'm talking about, I think.
Originally replied worse to this, heightwise
is ridiculous. In fact, cll is more important for people shorter than 170. If you do 170 175 180 cll, it will not be as good as the person that 160 people get it done.

I'd say that in general, someone remained in India will not have as good of a life's quality as someone in EU/US.

True. But the reality is most won't be able to do so. It's impossible the majority or even a significant %-age of a 1.3+ bn people country to leave their homeland and move to EU/US.

Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 08, 2020, 04:27:47 PM


At 1.75-6, noone needs LL, at 1.68 (my initial height) things are very different though. My first LL was a necessity to live completely normal without the short stigma. Another LL eould have been only to have very easy dates, nothing else.

Absolutely same mentality as I have.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 08, 2020, 04:33:52 PM
In terms of being short sucks, regardless of environment, family, friends, etc. It's objectively s**t  if you are short. "We" all know what I'm talking about, I think.

If we're talking about dating which I assume we are since it's the most common issue in general.

160cm Indian man are taller than average Indian women whereas 170cm Dutch man are shorter than average Dutch women.

However, Indian women =/= Dutch women. Look nothing alike.

So a 160cm Indian man having it easier with Indian women than a 170cm Dutch man with Dutch women doesn't necessarily mean than the Indian guy has it "better" in my opinion. But perhaps that's just me.

How tall are you Bruce Wayne?

167cm
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 08, 2020, 04:44:48 PM
It's safe to say that the younger generation's average height in the Netherlands is 185cm+.

It would be even higher if it weren’t for the large number of immigrants. In some rural areas of the Netherlands, you hardly see any men below 190 cm or women below 175–180 cm.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: F_99 on September 08, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
If we're talking about dating which I assume we are since it's the most common issue in general.

160cm Indian man are taller than average Indian women whereas 170cm Dutch man are shorter than average Dutch women.

However, Indian women =/= Dutch women. Look nothing alike.

So a 160cm Indian man having it easier with Indian women than a 170cm Dutch man with Dutch women doesn't necessarily mean than the Indian guy has it "better" in my opinion. But perhaps that's just me.

What?
It's worse (compared to other people in your country), dating wise, confidence wise, social "stigma" wise (-"hey, I saw Bruce the short guy in Amsterdam, yesterday"), discrimination job wise (the further from average you're as a short guy, the least likely to get promoted), make money, earn other people's trust + respect, etc.
Indian men are usually attracted to Indian women and vice versa, same with Dutch (I'd imagine).

It would be even higher if it weren’t for the large number of immigrants. In some rural areas of the Netherlands, you hardly see any men below 190 cm or women below 175–180 cm.

Oh, for sure.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 10, 2020, 11:26:42 AM
has anyone confronted Dr. Kevin Debiparshad on why he hasn't personally done limb lengthening for himself? I think he only gives out the email ID of his assistant so it wouldn't be appropriate to ask the assistant.

I get the feeling that he is a genuine surgeon who wouldnt do to others what he wouldnt do to himself. His internet articles and social media make it seem like it is not for the mentally ill and for "normal people"
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 10, 2020, 11:28:04 AM
Does anybody have any advice on how to ask him this? I might get surgery with him so I don't wanna offend him. How to politely ask?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: deletedaccount on September 10, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
160cm is a death sentence even in India. I'm 168-169 and 80% of my classmates are taller than me and uni students bit more
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 10, 2020, 11:50:02 AM
160cm is a death sentence even in India. I'm 168-169 and 80% of my classmates are taller than me and uni students bit more

How is this relevant? Kevin Debiparshad is Canadian and American. He is 169 cm tall which is quite short. At least for someone who lives like a celebrity and works in the field of cosmetic leg length surgery.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: .. on September 10, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
160cm is a death sentence even in India. I'm 168-169 and 80% of my classmates are taller than me and uni students bit more

Are you an Indian from India?

It's definitely a death sentence in terms of physically attracting anyone (even to Indian women), but I think what O_99 mean is that a 160cm Indian man might not be made fun as much by their friends because of his height or not get discriminated a lot in workplace compared a 170cm Dutch guy living in Netherlands.

What is sure is 160cm Indian man is inferior to 170cm Dutch guy regardless of where they live.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 10, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
Like if ur an indian who speaks English that well scarface you're in the better parts of india like the more modern cities and wealthier. The statistic for average height in india includes the 95% extremely impoverished people from random ass villages that don't have the privilege or opportunity to advance the ladders in life or learn good english cuz they are just low class citizens and no one cares abt them because India is mad classist and shiet and vast majority is still third world without toilets and poopy streets So the true average for indians in like the cities is prob like 175 while in the huts and shacks in the slums it's like 168 and dats a big diff

Basically if ur in the richer cities, then height will be more, if ur in the ghetto slums then it's gonna be way less. U can def feel normal if u 169 from a poor as city but definitely feel very short in the modernized more first world cities. It's both geography and classist, rich people marry taller people probs, but geographical maybe the south is shorter just genetically like how china the south is shorter than the north even doe both areas have pretty first world cities now. Maybe da past classisrm caused it

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Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 10, 2020, 05:24:41 PM
It's depressing to read all this desperation. I am more interested in reading if you can reach closer to a "dream height" thru leg length surgery safely the way Dr. Kevin Debiparshad presents it.

I guess if you are as desparate as some of you write, might as well go ahead and do it. No point for you waiting for someone accomplished and successful to do it.

For me, I want to see someone already doing well in life do this because its safe.


Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: BelowTheMean on September 11, 2020, 07:18:00 PM
It's depressing to read all this desperation. I am more interested in reading if you can reach closer to a "dream height" thru leg length surgery safely the way Dr. Kevin Debiparshad presents it.

I guess if you are as desparate as some of you write, might as well go ahead and do it. No point for you waiting for someone accomplished and successful to do it.

For me, I want to see someone already doing well in life do this because its safe.

There's nothing "safe" about breaking your healthy legs and then stretching then bone and soft tissue out. However, distraction osteogenesis is a proven method and the risk from the procedure is something tolerated by many patients and some doctors.

I don't think you'll ever find someone who is doing this procedure because it's safe. However, there are people who are doing well in life who have gotten this surgery done. In fact, I would say those who can afford to pay for it the US are at least doing well in life financially.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 12, 2020, 10:09:12 AM
There's nothing "safe" about breaking your healthy legs and then stretching then bone and soft tissue out. However, distraction osteogenesis is a proven method and the risk from the procedure is something tolerated by many patients and some doctors.

I don't think you'll ever find someone who is doing this procedure because it's safe. However, there are people who are doing well in life who have gotten this surgery done. In fact, I would say those who can afford to pay for it the US are at least doing well in life financially.

How do you say it's not safe? Are you a doctor? Does Kevin Debiparshad know better or you?

nothing is absolutely safe, but if an expert doctor says it's manageably safe then why should be looked at as a crazy procedure?

Look. when I heard about this thing, I didnt want to do it. Im below average and anyone below average wants to be taller. but I cant get such a crazy procedure portrayed as for "Crazy people". it feels better to be a little short than tell people I had such a crazy thing and be labellled as "mentally ill".

thats why I like Kevin Debiparshad's approach. He recommends it to ever yone. He says no one should be ashamed of it. He explains how it is a simple procedure

- he performs it in 1.5 hours
- his patients go back to almost normal life in 2 weeks
- they recover well
- they have almost no scars

I like this portrayal of leg length surgery. the only thing that doesnt add up to me is, why has not Kevin Debiparshad not done this procedure for himself? thats the only missing piece.

I think when he does it for himself, this surgery will explode in popularity and will become like rhinoplasty or breast job. no big deal. you can get it if you want. your not a "crazy person".

I hope people understand why Im so focused on this topic. I hope people realise that doing this as a "procedure which only crazy people do", you will never feel "normal" in life until you have to hide this from everybody.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 12, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
Well he's lying about all of that. Surgery takes longer he is just a liar lol his own patient said it took longer, like 3-4 hours, and he's lying about going back to normal life in 2 weeks cuz if he considers being in extreme pain and walking at speeds of a turtle to be "normal" then it is what it is I guess lol. And recovery usually goes well but sometimes his patients ends up with x legs like one dude because he's still a newbie in this field to be honest but sometimes it does go well indeed. And scarring is still gonna be here, maybe looks small but there's gon be scarring for sure that perhaps the public can't see but if you look you'll see it and need laser surgery removal fo sure if u can about it

And it is manageably safe in terms of not dying or losing your legs lol if you get it done in the usa. Other risks can definitely arise tho and are very very common.

But yes he is embeliish dis surgery very very very much mucho.
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 12, 2020, 11:38:17 AM
I think now were talking like adults ghkid.

yes Im open to the possibility that hes lying. very possible. I first felt that when I saw the irony that he is himself quite short. I showed his video to my girlfriend and first thing she noticed was his height. like you see the irony? people like us on the forum are gullible and made up our mind about positive things about the leg length surgery. But when an outsider (like my GF) saw those videos, that's the first thing she noticed. That he himself hasn't done this procedure and hes selling it?

but anyway "hope" my friend. Thats very important to me. If Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is lying then I've no hope. I wont' do leg length surgery then. I will do it only if its a surgery the way Dr. Kevin Debiparshad describes it. not for Crazy people. For normal people who are successful but just want to improve something. Thats when I will do it. I can't be a social outcast who did something extreme and have to be ashamed of it.

I think the answer to whether this procedure is for normal people or not, lies with doctors like Dr. Kevin. Why has he not done leg length procedure for himself?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: las vegas baby on September 12, 2020, 11:44:21 AM
Imagine if any LL doctor had one leg shorter by an inch. Like even Dr. Rob Rozbruch or Dr. Paley. Imagine they walk around with insoles in one leg to make up for the difference. They have a slight limp but they dont want to fix their discrepency with surgery. The surgery THEY specialise in.

Do not forget that even correcting leg length discrepency improves body image and confidence. It would make you "sxxier" if that's what you understand.

But when you ask them why they havent fixed their shorter leg, can they say "oh I dont feel the need to" "I am already married and have a stable life and income" "I dont' play much sports and only do cycling. 1 inch discrepency is OK" "I have tons of patients to attend to. I can't take a month off"

Would you agree? Won't you wonder: why they haven't done this surgery themselves and fixed their shorter leg?
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: ghkid2019 on September 12, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
Well leg length discrepancy is medically necessary, you can live with 1-2 cm discrepancy with minimal problems but more than that it will cause hip problems and arthritis and be very tough

But cosmetic is unnecessary tho, you don't need to be average height or anything, it's up to you and you can certainly live a fine life without cosmetic LL

And the vast majority of people who get this done in the US are probably not "crazy people" in the way you've describing it, you don't have to worry. 90% of the US diaries I've read involve someone who is actually very successful in pretty much all aspects of their life but simply have a lingering neurosis, and want to get rid of that neurosis. You can't really afford 90k without being in the top 5% of successful haha. The average joe is living paycheck to paycheck and is in debt. So saving up 90k already weeds out plenty of those actual severly mentally ill people who are like "ahahahhaah my height is causing all my problems including my debt and no job and why that barista is looking at me weird or why I am always being stared at ahahahah if I get height surgery I will be a Chad and get all Dem women's and get a 100k job!!!1!1!!1!" And weeds out 99.999% of people in general

You can certainly be a "normal person" willing to be crippled for a few months for gaining height, in fact that's how everyone in the US did it before 2018, before weight bearing nails existed and people essentially in wheelchairs for 6 months. Many are completely normal people who did make a choice to become a disabled person for many months. They are still normal, just felt the gain/loss or reward/risk benefit was worth it, but choosing to be in pain and disabled temporarily is worth it if height is truly actually holding you back from living your life to the fullest (you have job, friends, hobbies, goals, family, but the only problem is self confidence or lack of rather, due to height insecurities)

If u want to do this, just note it will be tough, and not how Debiparshad describes it like a walk in the park. But it doesn't make you anymore "mentally ill" than the person who wants a nose job or butt lift, just because the recovery is way more rougher and longer.The only difference is recovery time, but that doesn't determine your intention- to gain heighr. In fact brazilian butt lift has a death rate way higher than CLL, but that's irrelevant
Title: Re: Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that
Post by: foreign on September 24, 2020, 06:04:45 AM

in Paley's speech he said that some heart surgeon got it done. and your saying that one Debiparsad's patient is a cosmetic surgeon. so doctors are doing it. whats the problem then?