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Title: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 03, 2020, 02:35:25 PM
Hey guys, I had my surgery on September 22nd and stayed in the hospital for 4 days.

Day -1: Did a lot of checks and met a lot of doctors, they want to ensure I don't have any other disease.
Day 0: Went to the hospital at 5:30 lol, I was the first surgery on that day so I have to be there before 6 am. The nurse shaved my leg hair and changed cloth. Then they put me in the bed and push me to the operation room. When I woke up I was laying in my bed. I was unable to do anything, just sleep and eat. The food was pretty good, and nurses are nice.
Day 1: Same as day 0, just sleep and eat. I was able to walk a little bit with my walker.
Day 2: Sleep and eat. I was able to walk to the toilet to pee by using the walker.
Day 3: Sleep and eat. I walked a little bit more, went to another patient's room, and had a chat with him... and started to use crutches. Surprisingly I was able to do bowel movement on day 3, I mainly use my arm muscle to pull up myself. It was painful, but It's very important to me.
Day 4: Last day at the hospital, I hired a private nurse to help me to carry me into my apartment because it has a few stairs before the elevator...I was able to climb the stairs by using my arm and a crutch.

Day 5 - Day 11: I basically can do everything by myself, including cooking, washing clothes, going(taxi) to the physio center. Today is 11th day after the surgery, I'm able to walk a little bit without crutches like a penguin. I was very fit and flexible before the surgery(go to the gym 4-5 times a week, my palm can touch the floor), I think this helped me a lot. A guy who had surgery on the same day, he's recovery is very good as well, he's pretty flexible and fit. But another guy who had the surgery a day later than us got some troubles. He even couldn't stand and his knees couldn't bent to 90 degrees. If you want to do this surgery, you have to be very strong and flexible.

During the day, the pain is not very bad, it's only like 2-4/10. During the physiotherapy, it's like 8-9/10...it's really painful.

My only issue is that my sleep is not very well, I wake up 4-5 times every night. It's not because the pain, I feel my legs are very uncomfortable, I usually wake up and sit for one or two minutes. Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this issue? Thank you!
(https://i.imgur.com/80nPjCt.jpg)
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: brondo on October 03, 2020, 04:14:59 PM
Congrats on starting your journey asian! Looking forward to the updates!
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Hatch on October 03, 2020, 06:14:58 PM
What version of erc you are using?

It seems that lot of people having problems with erc1 device. Even another Giotikas patient on this forum. Can your device sense is the nail moving?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: azman on October 04, 2020, 07:51:22 AM

My only issue is that my sleep is not very well, I wake up 4-5 times every night. It's not because the pain, I feel my legs are very uncomfortable, I usually wake up and sit for one or two minutes. Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this issue? Thank you!
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Try sleeping on your stomach or a few pillows under your legs if you’re sleeping on your back.

Dr. G will not prescribe muscle relaxer when your muscles get tight, after 5cm, but muscle relaxer did improve my sleep.  You can buy some at the pharmacy, small pharmacy are like at every 10 blocks, pharmacy are the ones with the green cross.  I used Sirdalud 2mg.

Also Tylenol PM if you are able to get some in Athens.

Hope this help
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: simple on October 04, 2020, 08:18:14 AM
Hi Asian, wish you the best of luck in your journey and I will be following your diary closely.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 04, 2020, 09:03:43 AM
I think it's an old version. A black one with one yellow button and one green button. I'm not sure if it's working properly. I have a post-op x-ray appointment next week, we will see.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 04, 2020, 09:10:29 AM
Hi Azman,

Yeah, I tried to sleep on my stomach but it didn't work for me... Add a pillow under my knees does help. I will ask the Dr if I can buy some medicine that you recommended. Thank you, Azman!

Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: m7liam on October 05, 2020, 03:09:39 AM
A softer bed is much easier to sleep in than a harder bed
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AppleFanBoy on October 05, 2020, 05:57:58 PM
Congratulations on starting your journey! Looking forward to seeing updates on this.  I'll be possibly seeing you there as I'm scheduled in a few weeks :)
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: anaverageperson on October 05, 2020, 10:44:30 PM
Hey Asian! Best of luck. Planning on doing this within the next few months. What are your stats if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 06, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
Hey Asian! Best of luck. Planning on doing this within the next few months. What are your stats if you don't mind me asking?

Hi bro, I'm 160cm 58kg, age 20s.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 06, 2020, 04:25:40 PM
Day 15: Had my first post-op appointment with Doctor. Everything is going well. The nail is moving.

(https://i.imgur.com/AGhRQfp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GIdwy7J.jpg)
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: brondo on October 06, 2020, 04:28:49 PM
Hi asian,

Thanks for the update. Are you from Greece or somewhere close by? How is it coming from out of town if you are from a different country than Greece? Is it easy to navigate if you speak English?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AnotherShorty on October 06, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Hi Asian
 You are a brave man who has the guts to go and get your legs broken voluntary ...

A couple of questions:

1) what were your thoughts before the surgery ( about the complications, pain n all ), what happened that you made your mind like ” I am doing this no matter what”
2) could you describe the first feeling after the surgery when the anesthesia wore off? some people say they felt immense pain... Some say legs just feel stiff and heavy...
3) in PT, that pain is due to the incisions getting stretched or it's like some deep bone pain?
4) Does anesthesia causes unbelievable pain? ( as mentioned in kilokhan and sunshine dairy ) Also, how painful was ur catheter experience?
5) You do your PT with other CLL patients in a batch or alone?
Sorry of bombarding so may question, my choice is Dr G also that's why I am so curious...

Hope you get through this without any pain or complication.

Best Regards

Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 06, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
Hi asian,

Thanks for the update. Are you from Greece or somewhere close by? How is it coming from out of town if you are from a different country than Greece? Is it easy to navigate if you speak English?


Hi Brondo,

Most of the Greeks speak English since there are a lot of foreigners living here. I don't speak Greek at all.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 06, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
Hi Asian
 You are a brave man who has the guts to go and get your legs broken voluntary ...

A couple of questions:

1) what were your thoughts before the surgery ( about the complications, pain n all ), what happened that you made your mind like ” I am doing this no matter what”
2) could you describe the first feeling after the surgery when the anesthesia wore off? some people say they felt immense pain... Some say legs just feel stiff and heavy...
3) in PT, that pain is due to the incisions getting stretched or it's like some deep bone pain?
4) Does anesthesia causes unbelievable pain? ( as mentioned in kilokhan and sunshine dairy ) Also, how painful was ur catheter experience?
5) You do your PT with other CLL patients in a batch or alone?
Sorry of bombarding so may question, my choice is Dr G also that's why I am so curious...

Hope you get through this without any pain or complication.

Best Regards


1. Too hard to answer, this is the question you're asking yourself every day haha. I made the decision very quickly because I know it's good for me.
2. I felt my legs are super heavy, couldn't turn my body nor move my legs. I didn't feel too much pain.
3. It's soft tissue pain. Just like you're pushing your limits.
4. I didn't feel too much pain. When I went to the toilet, I felt pain because I was using damaged muscles. You have to push it, your body can tolerate it. catheter? urinary catheter? is uncomfortable, only for a few seconds, but it's better than you couldn't pee... Another patient didn't need a catheter, it depends on the person.
5. PT is 1 on 1 session
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AnotherShorty on October 06, 2020, 05:26:08 PM
Yeah mate... I am pretty scared... What if sh*t goes sideways... It's a life changing decision so I need to think this through... For me cons are more as compared to pros so I will see...
Anyways... Thanks for answering champ! Congratulations on distraction going smooth ...

Many thanks
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: init1alove on October 06, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
Hi Asian,

Do you have someone to take care of you? Have you hired a caretaker?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: brondo on October 06, 2020, 06:31:30 PM
Thanks for replying asian. Can you tell me approximately how much I would need to save up if I wanted to go with Giotikas for Stryde coming from America? I guess I would be staying there until the end of distraction which would be 5cm for myself so two months or so.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 06, 2020, 07:04:38 PM
Hi Asian,

Do you have someone to take care of you? Have you hired a caretaker?

Hi init1alove, I hired a caretaker for the first night after discharged from the hospital. I was able to stand and walk with a walker but some people even couldn't stand up. It depends on how fit and flexible you were before the surgery. The caretaker rate is 10 euro/ hour, or you can stay longer in the hospital.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 06, 2020, 07:10:45 PM
Thanks for replying asian. Can you tell me approximately how much I would need to save up if I wanted to go with Giotikas for Stryde coming from America? I guess I would be staying there until the end of distraction which would be 5cm for myself so two months or so.

Hi Brondo, It's really depending on the person. I cook by myself, I take a taxi every time to go to PT, I rent an Airbnb studio. I spend about USD$1,000 a month. You will need at least operation fees + 2000 to 3000 USD + flight tickets.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: brondo on October 06, 2020, 07:40:52 PM
Hi Brondo, It's really depending on the person. I cook by myself, I take a taxi every time to go to PT, I rent an Airbnb studio. I spend about USD$1,000 a month. You will need at least operation fees + 2000 to 3000 USD + flight tickets.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 07, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
A softer bed is much easier to sleep in than a harder bed

Hi bro, yeah the soft bed helps. Last night I added a topper on my mattress and I also added some pillows under my upper body which makes my upper body is higher than my lower body. I think this helps the blood flow to my feet.  I only woke up once last night lol... Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: ghkid2019 on October 07, 2020, 10:37:46 AM
Are you American. Are u software engineer or investment banking. Are u Asian.

Lmao sorry for questions asian.

I rly do hope stuff goes well. For you. Buy 3-4 small travel pillows and use as needed when sleeping. Need back support áss support side of head support (both sides) etc.

And what's your age. Anononimity is muy importante so please don't share if u ain't comfortable or give a range like (early 30s) or 27-32
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: anaverageperson on October 07, 2020, 09:05:11 PM
Hi Brondo, It's really depending on the person. I cook by myself, I take a taxi every time to go to PT, I rent an Airbnb studio. I spend about USD$1,000 a month. You will need at least operation fees + 2000 to 3000 USD + flight tickets.

Hey asian. Another question, how is life in general in Athens compared to where you are from? How is the food and quality of living. I don't think you are doing much in terms of fun given the surgery lol but is it a nice place to be in general?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 08, 2020, 03:30:34 PM
Hey asian. Another question, how is life in general in Athens compared to where you are from? How is the food and quality of living. I don't think you are doing much in terms of fun given the surgery lol but is it a nice place to be in general?

Hi anaverageperson, lol yeah, I arrived 2 days before the surgery date. I haven't been to any fun places yet. Athens is pretty nice, much warmer compare to where I from (the winter lasts 6 months). It's sunny every day and it's still in summer now... to sum up, the weather is really good, it's very safe, the food is pretty good, people are very nice.

I use 3 greek apps every day: eFood for food delivery, eFresh for grocery delivery, Beat for the taxi. btw, the taxi is really cheap here.

I made a mistake when I booking my Airbnb, the city center is not a good place to live because it's too noisy.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: ghkid2019 on October 11, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
e you American. Are u software engineer or investment banking. Are u Asian.

R u gigga googa

Or dub
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 11, 2020, 11:30:40 AM
e you American. Are u software engineer or investment banking. Are u Asian.

R u gigga googa

Or dub

Hi ghkid, yes, I'm Asian from North America. My occupation is irrelevant to this operation. Thanks
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: ghkid2019 on October 11, 2020, 11:35:36 AM
Hi ghkid, yes, I'm Asian from North America. My occupation is irrelevant to this operation. Thanks

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Anononimity is muy importante so please don't share if u ain't comfortable

Oh my god I am so sorry for asking so sorry plz forgive me so sorry didn't want to invasion privasee so sorry brotha from anotha motha so sorry sorry I and sorry sir please no destruction me sir daoh meuh gudod

Plz forigvb e me sir pleassewe
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 11, 2020, 11:40:01 AM
Oh my god I am so sorry for asking so sorry plz forgive me so sorry didn't want to invasion privasee so sorry brotha from anotha motha so sorry sorry

Plz forigvb e me sir pleassewe

No worries bro! I think most of the people who had this surgery want to keep it private.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AppleFanBoy on October 11, 2020, 03:57:48 PM
Hi anaverageperson, lol yeah, I arrived 2 days before the surgery date. I haven't been to any fun places yet. Athens is pretty nice, much warmer compare to where I from (the winter lasts 6 months). It's sunny every day and it's still in summer now... to sum up, the weather is really good, it's very safe, the food is pretty good, people are very nice.

I use 3 greek apps every day: eFood for food delivery, eFresh for grocery delivery, Beat for the taxi. btw, the taxi is really cheap here.

I made a mistake when I booking my Airbnb, the city center is not a good place to live because it's too noisy.

Hey Asian, can you use credit cards for these apps? I'm attempting to adjust how much cash I should bring for expenses.  If I can use credit cards for these apps I definitely don't need much in cash.  How much cash would you suggest to bring for the stay based on your experience so far? Thanks, would help me out a ton!

Also are these apps in English? I've downloaded eFood and eFresh but not in English.  However when I go on Google Chrome on my computer, it has a translator built in so was doable.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 12, 2020, 02:42:40 PM
Hey Asian, can you use credit cards for these apps? I'm attempting to adjust how much cash I should bring for expenses.  If I can use credit cards for these apps I definitely don't need much in cash.  How much cash would you suggest to bring for the stay based on your experience so far? Thanks, would help me out a ton!

Also are these apps in English? I've downloaded eFood and eFresh but not in English.  However when I go on Google Chrome on my computer, it has a translator built in so was doable.

Hi AppleFanBoy,

eFood, eFresh and Beat are English, probably because my iPhone system language is English? eFood and eFresh accept credit cards but the taxi only accepts cash. I only brought 200 euro cash, I still have about 20 euros.. I only use cash for taxi. I'll have to withdraw some cash from an ATM machine.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 12, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Day 20 after surgery: Yesterday, I was trying to reduce the dose of pain killers. I only took two pills of DEPON paracetamol 500mg before I went to the bed. I didn't sleep much last night, only about 2-3 hours.. I think it's because I didn't take Lyrica(Nerve pain killer) and Tramadol(Severe pain killer). I'm not sure the reason though. I didn't feel much pain, just felt legs discomfort. Like the blood flow wasn't moving smoothly. I ordered an Air Compression Blood Circulation Leg Massager on eBay. The PT Center has one and I use it every session, it makes me very sleepy every time. I hope it can improve my sleep.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Gman23 on October 12, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
Hey Asian,

I just skimmed through your diary an couldn’t seem to find the cost for the surgery or which nail you used. I might possibly do the surgery with Dr giotikas but I want to do 2 surgeries. Please let me know which part you lengthened femurs or tibia, how much you want to lengthen and the cost for it. Also what is your opinion on doing 2 surgeries... please reply thank you, stay safe
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 13, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
Hey Asian,

I just skimmed through your diary an couldn’t seem to find the cost for the surgery or which nail you used. I might possibly do the surgery with Dr giotikas but I want to do 2 surgeries. Please let me know which part you lengthened femurs or tibia, how much you want to lengthen and the cost for it. Also what is your opinion on doing 2 surgeries... please reply thank you, stay safe

Hi Gman23,

I did it on my femurs with Stryde nails. You can check the cost on the doctor's website. Doing both tibia and femurs at the same time will be super hard. Femurs are relatively easier than the tibia.  I'm planning to do my tibia one year later.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 13, 2020, 12:45:40 PM
Day 21 after surgery: Last night, I took 1 Lyrica, 1 Tramal, and 2 Depon before I went to the bed. I slept pretty well, only woke up 2 times. Actually, I felt more pain on my legs after taking painkillers but I could sleep better. I have no idea how it works...
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Gman23 on October 13, 2020, 12:59:21 PM
Hi Gman23,

I did it on my femurs with Stryde nails. You can check the cost on the doctor's website. Doing both tibia and femurs at the same time will be super hard. Femurs are relatively easier than the tibia.  I'm planning to do my tibia one year later.


Ayyyy happy for me you man, go for the tibia. That’s my goal aswell. So you want to gain a total of 10-13cm like me ?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 13, 2020, 01:14:27 PM

Ayyyy happy for me you man, go for the tibia. That’s my goal aswell. So you want to gain a total of 10-13cm like me ?

My goal is 13-14cm, but I'm not sure if my soft tissue can handle it.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Gman23 on October 13, 2020, 09:32:08 PM
My goal is 13-14cm, but I'm not sure if my soft tissue can handle it.

Sounds like a bit too much then the safety limit but by all means go for it bro will be watching you all the way !! Good luck
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Gman23 on October 13, 2020, 09:32:49 PM
Also whats your age if I may ask and when will you go for tibia lengthening?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 14, 2020, 03:50:23 PM
Day 22 after surgery: My legs are stiff as  .
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: ghkid2019 on October 14, 2020, 04:32:11 PM
Day 22 after surgery: My legs are stiff as  .

Don't leave us hanging c'mon 😂
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: StrydeNailChallenge on October 14, 2020, 04:54:04 PM
Hi Gman23,

I did it on my femurs with Stryde nails. You can check the cost on the doctor's website. Doing both tibia and femurs at the same time will be super hard. Femurs are relatively easier than the tibia.  I'm planning to do my tibia one year later.

Is this really true that stryde on femurs are relatively easier than on tibias? I had heard the opposite.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 17, 2020, 11:43:15 AM
Is this really true that stryde on femurs are relatively easier than on tibias? I had heard the opposite.

Yeah, some people said tibia's rehab is easier. But from several diaries on the forum, tibia seems more difficult.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 17, 2020, 11:51:25 AM
Day 25 after surgery: My legs are very stiff. I don't use crutches anymore, I can walk very confidently but look like a robot. I feel more pain recently, especially during the night. Pain is from screw sites. I increased the dose of Tramadol, I take 3 pills a day.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: wannabeidol on October 17, 2020, 05:55:11 PM
Yeah, some people said tibia's rehab is easier. But from several diaries on the forum, tibia seems more difficult.

from all the diaries ive read it seems that the physio for femurs is much easier in comparison to tibias
however there seems to be less pain from tibias and patients seem to sleep better
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Gman23 on October 17, 2020, 09:02:56 PM
Day 25 after surgery: My legs are very stiff. I don't use crutches anymore, I can walk very confidently but look like a robot. I feel more pain recently, especially during the night. Pain is from screw sites. I increased the dose of Tramadol, I take 3 pills a day.


Keep going Asian, I’ll jus come on this forum to read your diary for now... as my goal is the same as yours.stay safe!!!
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: StrydeNailChallenge on October 20, 2020, 02:50:11 AM
Day 25 after surgery: My legs are very stiff. I don't use crutches anymore, I can walk very confidently but look like a robot. I feel more pain recently, especially during the night. Pain is from screw sites. I increased the dose of Tramadol, I take 3 pills a day.

Dear asian,  I think 3 (50 mg) Tramdol pills per day is very reasonable during distraction. I remember Dr. M. told me if there came a point that I could not tolerate pain, I could take 2 pill every 4 hours, but with the condition I would not go beyond 400mg per day; and that's what I did. It must have been around day 30 or so, when pain was too high for me and I had to go for 350 or 400 mg per day.

How is stretching going?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AppleFanBoy on October 21, 2020, 01:01:45 AM
Hey Asian! Check your PM.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 21, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
Dear asian,  I think 3 (50 mg) Tramdol pills per day is very reasonable during distraction. I remember Dr. M. told me if there came a point that I could not tolerate pain, I could take 2 pill every 4 hours, but with the condition I would not go beyond 400mg per day; and that's what I did. It must have been around day 30 or so, when pain was too high for me and I had to go for 350 or 400 mg per day.

How is stretching going?

Thanks, SNC. My stretching is pretty good. It's pretty painful during the PT. My physiotherapist is pretty aggressive...but it's good to push my limits.
I checked your stretching routine. Some of them are pretty difficult for me. My hand still can touch my feet, but my other leg can't push down to the ground. it's kind of blocked by the IT band/screws area.
(https://i.ibb.co/hfL4xSr/1603268677701.jpg)
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: StrydeNailChallenge on October 22, 2020, 12:44:00 AM
Thanks, SNC. My stretching is pretty good. It's pretty painful during the PT. My physiotherapist is pretty aggressive...but it's good to push my limits.
I checked your stretching routine. Some of them are pretty difficult for me. My hand still can touch my feet, but my other leg can't push down to the ground. it's kind of blocked by the IT band/screws area.
(https://i.ibb.co/hfL4xSr/1603268677701.jpg)

Dear asian,
I mostly did self-PT'ing during my distraction phase. I was more into repeating the stretching sessions (e.g., 8 times per days) than making them too aggressive, but in your case, if your PTs think you should be aggressive, I think you should trust them.

I would not worry about your leg not pushing down during that exercise. It will get fixed over time after distraction is over. The main goal during distraction is to achieve the maximum height, but if you lost some flexibility on it, it can be fixed. I have been able to reclaim part of my flexibility already by day 10 since end of distraction, e.g., I can bend my knees much more than during the distraction times.

To max distraction asian bro!
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: SpeedDialer on October 22, 2020, 04:19:53 AM
Hey! Thanks for making this diary.

1. How has covid affected your plans/process of getting stryde with Giotikas?

2. What are your tips for finding a place to stay and a caretaker?

3. What are your thoughts on Meska? Not worth the price?

4. What's process like if you get covid during the recovery?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 24, 2020, 11:16:21 AM
Dear asian,
I mostly did self-PT'ing during my distraction phase. I was more into repeating the stretching sessions (e.g., 8 times per days) than making them too aggressive, but in your case, if your PTs think you should be aggressive, I think you should trust them.

I would not worry about your leg not pushing down during that exercise. It will get fixed over time after distraction is over. The main goal during distraction is to achieve the maximum height, but if you lost some flexibility on it, it can be fixed. I have been able to reclaim part of my flexibility already by day 10 since end of distraction, e.g., I can bend my knees much more than during the distraction times.

To max distraction asian bro!

Great to hear that! Thank you SNC! I definitely need to have more self PT sessions.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 24, 2020, 11:25:31 AM
Hey! Thanks for making this diary.

1. How has covid affected your plans/process of getting stryde with Giotikas?

2. What are your tips for finding a place to stay and a caretaker?

3. What are your thoughts on Meska? Not worth the price?

4. What's process like if you get covid during the recovery?

Hi SpeedDialer,

1, Everything is normal here, people wear masks.
2, Find a place that closes to the PT center and has an elevator. If you have enough budget, try to find a nice place. My apartment is too noisy. The doctor arranges a caretaker for you if you needed.
3, Current patients are not going to Meska for PT anymore. We go to another PT center.
4, Covid situation is not too bad in Greece, but try not to get it lol, I always wear a mask when I go out.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 24, 2020, 11:40:46 AM
Day 32 after surgery, lengthened 25mm: I have been very busy recently because I have a full-time job and I also have to go to the PT center. I had my second follow-up appointment with the doctor yesterday. Everything went very well, bones are growing. Both legs have lengthened equally. I push very hard when I use the ERC machine because Dr.Paley's paper mentioned that push harder will make it work better. The pain level is almost the same, it's like 1-4/10 if I only do daily activity. 6-9/10 during the PT. I still wake up 2-3 times every night. 2 days ago I got hamstring pain, it feels like muscle pain. Just like get injured from the sport. When I push it, I could feel a string(or tendon? I have no idea) was very tight and it was painful. I hate that feeling. I started to stretch my hamstrings harder. Today, I feel much better but still can feel it. It feels like it's recovering from injury lol. I guess that's how muscle lengthens and grows.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: StrydeNailChallenge on October 25, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Day 32 after surgery, lengthened 25mm: I have been very busy recently because I have a full-time job and I also have to go to the PT center. I had my second follow-up appointment with the doctor yesterday. Everything went very well, bones are growing. Both legs have lengthened equally. I push very hard when I use the ERC machine because Dr.Paley's paper mentioned that push harder will make it work better. The pain level is almost the same, it's like 1-4/10 if I only do daily activity. 6-9/10 during the PT. I still wake up 2-3 times every night. 2 days ago I got hamstring pain, it feels like muscle pain. Just like get injured from the sport. When I push it, I could feel a string(or tendon? I have no idea) was very tight and it was painful. I hate that feeling. I started to stretch my hamstrings harder. Today, I feel much better but still can feel it. It feels like it's recovering from injury lol. I guess that's how muscle lengthens and grows.

Dear asian,
I hear these recommendations that if your stretching starts to be painful you should take it easy. It has generally not worked like that for myself! In the past if I have some muscle or tendon injury, instead of taking easy on it, I would push it aggressively to a point that it would make me cry, but it would help with the healing. I did that for my ankle, shoulder and thumb. In all three cases, taking it easy did not work, but pushing it aggravated pain at start, but finally helped with the healing. What you said about your hamstrings reminds me of that! I am therefore in favor of pushing myself, especially now that I am in the consolidation phase, meaning, if I feel some pain while walking, I would not necessarily take it easy, but I would continue a bit more; that would even increase pain, but I think it helps with growth and healing.

My pain is much more predictable. It is mostly around the bone gap area and mostly appears when I walk close to 0.5 miles or longer, or during evening times!  I am however very happy that I am finally painkiller free for days now!  My way of handling pain is a combination of stretching a few times per day, and taking hot showers  or sitting in a hot bathtub at least once per day.


By the way, when you get close to 4cm or so and all the way to your final length, you would start to experience a lot stiffness. Don't get disappointed by that. As far as I know it happens to everyone.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 31, 2020, 01:09:23 PM
Dear asian,
I hear these recommendations that if your stretching starts to be painful you should take it easy. It has generally not worked like that for myself! In the past if I have some muscle or tendon injury, instead of taking easy on it, I would push it aggressively to a point that it would make me cry, but it would help with the healing. I did that for my ankle, shoulder and thumb. In all three cases, taking it easy did not work, but pushing it aggravated pain at start, but finally helped with the healing. What you said about your hamstrings reminds me of that! I am therefore in favor of pushing myself, especially now that I am in the consolidation phase, meaning, if I feel some pain while walking, I would not necessarily take it easy, but I would continue a bit more; that would even increase pain, but I think it helps with growth and healing.

My pain is much more predictable. It is mostly around the bone gap area and mostly appears when I walk close to 0.5 miles or longer, or during evening times!  I am however very happy that I am finally painkiller free for days now!  My way of handling pain is a combination of stretching a few times per day, and taking hot showers  or sitting in a hot bathtub at least once per day.


By the way, when you get close to 4cm or so and all the way to your final length, you would start to experience a lot stiffness. Don't get disappointed by that. As far as I know it happens to everyone.

Hi SNC,

Thank you very much for your advice! Congrats, you're painkiller free now! Yes, aggressive PT does help muscle recovery. Today, I'm about 34mm distraction, I only feel stiffness from tightness and a little muscle pain. My muscles are really tight, especially hamstring and IT band. Hope that I will not experience a lot of pain lol.

Thanks,
Asian
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on October 31, 2020, 01:14:12 PM
Day 41 after surgery, lengthened 34mm: My sleep is getting much better, I only wake up 2-3 times every night and I usually can sleep 9-10 hours. Sleep on the stomach and soft bed topper changed my life lol. My muscles are getting really tight, especially hamstring and IT band. I don't feel much pain, only some pain from the bone gap during the night.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: marathonrunner on November 01, 2020, 06:33:17 AM
Have any recent xrays of both AP and lateral view you could share?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on November 04, 2020, 02:03:27 PM
Day 43 after surgery: I have lengthened 37mm. I had a follow-up appointment with the doctor this morning. Everything went very well, bones are growing fine. Recently, I feel more pain from the bone gaps during the night, it's like 1-4/10. I have lost a lot of flexibility. PT is getting more painful, it's really painful...I almost couldn't tolerate it. My sleep is still pretty good. I sleep about 8-10 hours every night.

(https://i.imgur.com/msD7D9x.jpg)
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AnotherShorty on November 04, 2020, 05:57:50 PM
Hi Asian,
How about your gait?
Are you on the same meds and doses?
So glad to see you are doing great... Hope the PT becomes easy for you...

Best regards,
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: Giotikas2021 on November 04, 2020, 06:31:15 PM
Keep strong¡ Seems like you are having great progress
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: SpeedDialer on November 08, 2020, 07:48:39 PM
Hi AppleFanBoy,

eFood, eFresh and Beat are English, probably because my iPhone system language is English? eFood and eFresh accept credit cards but the taxi only accepts cash. I only brought 200 euro cash, I still have about 20 euros.. I only use cash for taxi. I'll have to withdraw some cash from an ATM machine.

Thanks. You had mentioned that your place was too noisy. What's your advice for finding a better place? What would you have done differently? Seems difficult to anticipate a place being noisy
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on November 17, 2020, 06:30:44 PM
Reached 5cm today: I had an appointment with the doctor today. Everything went very well. Bones are growing fine. I haven't got numbness or nerve pain yet. I feel my legs are really tight, it feels like it would explode soon lol. The pain remains low, only 1-3/10 during the night. Aggressive PT is still pretty painful, everyone is screaming at the PT center... But I feel much better after each PT session. My sleep is still very well, I can sleep for 9-12 hours. Since I will stay in Athens until the end of January, the doctor recommends me to slow down to 0.75mm/day.
Even though my experience is not too bad, I still think this surgery is super hard... I feel the process is too long, damn if it only needs 2 weeks or one month, it definitely would be easier. But it needs about 3 months, it feels like an endless game, you have to work very hard every day. This is the hardest thing I've ever done.

Xray:

(https://i.imgur.com/ae6ACrk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pdSH6TV.jpg)
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: asian on November 17, 2020, 06:38:11 PM
Hi Asian,
How about your gait?
Are you on the same meds and doses?
So glad to see you are doing great... Hope the PT becomes easy for you...

Best regards,

Hi, my gait is fine. I can walk like a normal guy after stretching or a PT session. If I feel my legs are very tight, I walk like a robot.
Yes, I'm on the same dose. 1 tramadol + 2 Depon(Paracetamol) in the morning, 1 lyrica + 1 tramadol + 2 Depon(Paracetamol) before sleep.
PT became harder because my muscles and nerves became tighter.
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AnotherShorty on November 18, 2020, 06:54:05 AM
No worries if you walk like a robot sometimes, I still think your progress is amazing... I mean your LL journey so far is the best-case scenario till now in my perspective. No pain, no complication and your gait is normal for most of the time.   
Hope you are enjoying your 2 inches gain, 1 more inch to go buddy... do your best, we are rooting for you...

Regards
PS: Don’t know what will happen to me, I am allergic to Paracetamol
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: wannabeidol on November 18, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
thats an unfortunate allergy to have, what happens when you take it?
Title: Re: Asian - Femurs Stryde with Giotikas September 2020
Post by: AnotherShorty on November 19, 2020, 07:06:25 AM
Hi wannabeidol,
 I just feel throwing up, kinda makes me cough too...but will discuss with docs once I decide abt the surgery...

Regards