Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: Astronomy on November 06, 2020, 05:09:18 AM
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I'm Chinese,who is immersing myself in love with my girlfriend,but her mother didn't agree me on marring her becauses of my height.She said since her daughter was very short so she deserved a very tall guy.I dunno how to handle this.
The only way to handle this is limblengthening surgery,I think.I think for Guangdongese parents,175cm or so is a right height.I don't mind receiving post-surgery disorders for my girlfriend.
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I think it's strange that her mother decides who she would marry. I'd stay away from a family like that
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I think it's because she wants a tall grandchild. You probably couldn't convince her to allow the marriage if you got surgery to be taller.
I think it's strange that her mother decides who she would marry. I'd stay away from a family like that
It's very hard to stay away from people like that in China. You'd have to be a hermit monk on a mountain. ;D
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Agree with MDOW.
The surgery won't change your genetics. You'll still get short children.
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I think it's strange that her mother decides who she would marry. I'd stay away from a family like that
Actually I'm the same with you,but if i stayed away from that family I wouldn't get her.
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Agree with MDOW.
The surgery won't change your genetics. You'll still get short children.
My mission is not to get a tall children and actually I,the same as my girlfriend,don't totally desire a children if it weren't for her mother.I just want to play a trick on her mother and therefore even though our children will be not tall she wouldn't blame my genetic.
Her mother isn't knowledgable of anything because she doesn't achieve a standard general education,let alone surgery of this kind.She would convince herself that my genetic didn't work completely and she would adopt our romance.
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Well the surgery will take you a while to recover from. Assuming you want to lengthen 8cm on femurs, it will take you about 80 days for the lengthening alone and then consolidation will take a couple months.
Besides, would your girlfriend even approve of it? She might think you're crazy for wanting to get a surgery like this, and she would be right to think so. The average person does not think of a surgery as complex as LL.
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How tall are you? How tall is your girlfriend?
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I have told her about my plan for this LL.She agreed and understood me.We are being pushed to the end and have no other alternatives.She also accepted my recovery days.
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My height is 162 at night and 163 not at night.I dunno my girlfriend's height but she told she was measured 148cm in the physical examination at 16.
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163 to 175cm is insanely hard. That's 12cm of growth.
Not only will it be extremely costly, but also you should expect to be rotting away in a hospital for at least a year.
I genuinely do not think this is a feasible choice, OP.
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"Who also needs this surgery for girlfriend's mother like me??"
No one. Because no one else is idiotic enough to think like that.
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My height is 162 at night and 163 not at night.I dunno my girlfriend's height but she told she was measured 148cm in the physical examination at 16.
In that case I hate to say it but her mother may have a point. Height is genetically correlated and with both of you being relatively short for your gender, your sons may suffer even more discrimination if they end up shorter still. Not romantic but worth considering.
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In that case I hate to say it but her mother may have a point. Height is genetically correlated and with both of you being relatively short for your gender, your sons may suffer even more discrimination if they end up shorter still. Not romantic but worth considering.
True. If you are already considering LL, then you shouldn't date someone that short to avoid creating problems for your kids in the future in case you get any.
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I like how everyone here has an opinion on what OP has to do in his life, and how he should not date a woman whose mother thinks like that yada yada instead of helping the man with the actual thing he asked
OP, 12 cm is possible bro. But it is high risk, you will need to lengthen both segments, it will be very expensive, and it will take a long time to recover (possibly 2+ years and that's in a perfect world), and probably forget any athletic ability
From what I understand to you height is more important than any of this. The answer is yes you can lengthen 12cm.
As for your children ending up short, well, that is not guaranteed to begin with,usually children of short parents tend to be taller than them even if they are still below average, that is the regression effect, and, at the end of the day, if we are going to be so cynical, if your child ends up short, you will be the guinea pig to know if this is safe for your child. That's how I think about myself at least
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True. If you are already considering LL, then you shouldn't date someone that short to avoid creating problems for your kids in the future in case you get any.
The problem is the two parents asking for children who should be not short,but even LL can't modify gene.
If I dated a tall girl,it's no doubt she wouldn't love me.If I dated a short girl,it will be that parents will refuse our romance.
Only way for this problem is tricks.I dunno other ways.
I hate it that because of my height I have to give her up.
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The problem is the two parents asking for children who should be not short,but even LL can't modify gene.
If I dated a tall girl,it's no doubt she wouldn't love me.If I dated a short girl,it will be that parents will refuse our romance.
Only way for this problem is tricks.I dunno other ways.
I hate it that because of my height I have to give her up.
Have you tried elevator shoes? You said your girlfriend's mother is not attentive. Perhaps elevator shoes can give her the illusion that you're tall without risking a 12cm lengthening operation?
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I like how everyone here has an opinion on what OP has to do in his life, and how he should not date a woman whose mother thinks like that yada yada instead of helping the man with the actual thing he asked
OP, 12 cm is possible bro. But it is high risk, you will need to lengthen both segments, it will be very expensive, and it will take a long time to recover (possibly 2+ years and that's in a perfect world), and probably forget any athletic ability
From what I understand to you height is more important than any of this. The answer is yes you can lengthen 12cm.
As for your children ending up short, well, that is not guaranteed to begin with,usually children of short parents tend to be taller than them even if they are still below average, that is the regression effect, and, at the end of the day, if we are going to be so cynical, if your child ends up short, you will be the guinea pig to know if this is safe for your child. That's how I think about myself at least
Thx.Actually I only want to lengthen myself to make her mother satisfied enough.That's all.Maybe I don't have to lengthen 12cm,because actually my academic performance is not bad.
Maybe someone suggests give up that girl.But the problem will become bigger and never stop.
What if my next girlfriend(And yet suppose another girl loved me.Maybe there will never come a girl accepting me)'s parents wouldn't accept me cause of my height?And that's of high possibility.So I reckon giving up is not a good solution.I dont wanna be a monk.
So sooner or later LL is a must.
As for children,since I knew of LL,I had known numerous knowledge about how to grow taller.So it's impossible that my children would grow as short as I am.You got it right.
Right now I thought over my idiotic plan.I would like to lengthen one of segments at first and then one year later(or longer)lengthen the another.
In China,because of Chinese culture,when men or women grow up to a particular age,parents will definitely become anxious about why their children are still not married.So first LL can grow me taller and next it can make her parents anxious cause of long time spent by her daught being single.
Don't laugh at me.I really hate to imagine giving up a loved girl cause of being short.I think everyone short hates to imagine that and daren't do that.
Or anyone else can help give another piece of good advice??
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Have you tried elevator shoes? You said your girlfriend's mother is not attentive. Perhaps elevator shoes can give her the illusion that you're tall without risking a 12cm lengthening operation?
When I succeeded becoming her husband,In China(I dunno if it's the same in other countries),husband or wife must live in other parents' homes,it was definitely impossible I walk,sleep,go to the toilet and so on with elevator shoes all the time.It's fun Chinese husband or wife must enter other parents' houses without any kind of shoes.(Otherwise it's very impolite and if every time I enter the house with shoes,her mother will cast me away one day)
What's worse,for my very short height,elevator shoes won't work a lot.
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"Who also needs this surgery for girlfriend's mother like me??"
No one. Because no one else is idiotic enough to think like that.
Actually I also wrote me off as idiotic.But if I weren't idiotic,I must give that girl up because of my height.
Think it twice and think it twice.I chose to be idiotic.
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Thx.Actually I only want to lengthen myself to make her mother satisfied enough.That's all.Maybe I don't have to lengthen 12cm,because actually my academic performance is not bad.
Maybe someone suggests give up that girl.But the problem will become bigger and never stop.
What if my next girlfriend(And yet suppose another girl loved me.Maybe there will never come a girl accepting me)'s parents wouldn't accept me cause of my height?And that's of high possibility.So I reckon giving up is not a good solution.I dont wanna be a monk.
So sooner or later LL is a must.
As for children,since I knew of LL,I had known numerous knowledge about how to grow taller.So it's impossible that my children would grow as short as I am.You got it right.
Right now I thought over my idiotic plan.I would like to lengthen one of segments at first and then one year later lengthen the another.
In China,because of Chinese culture,when men or women grow up to a particular age,parents will definitely become anxious about why their children are still not married.So first LL can grow me taller and next it can make her parents anxious.
Don't laugh at me.I really hate to imagine giving up a loved girl cause of being short.I think everyone short hates to imagine that and daren't do that.
Or anyone else can help give another piece of good advice??
I understand your situation bro. For some people LL is the only solution. I understand that in your case, if you don't want to leave your gf, you have to grow taller at all costs
Just make sure to do with a good doctor and please get informed well on the matter. Unfortunately this is a surgery that doesn't always end up well. Is it worth risking becoming a cripple on a wheelchair (in the extreme case) in order to have a chance to a family? For some people (like me) the answer is yes. If you are one of these people, then you will benefit from LL
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I support you OP. I recommend getting 8cm on femurs first. Average height in China is 5'8" which is 172cm. You, at 163cm, will reach 171cm, which is just 1cm shorter than average. You will be doing well.
12cm will take too long to recover from as it will require two surgeries.
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Her mother is 148cm or so(equals my gf's height).I dunno if 8cm femur can satisfy her.
Because of her mother being so short,on her shoes,maybe she would misestimate my height as 175cm(without shoes).Then with shoes my height would raise up to "177cm or so"(with shoes).
Actually I'm a graduate and aiming for JiaoTong University,but I dunno if that I succeeded in that would change her mother's mind.If so,LL wouldn't be a must.
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I support you OP. I recommend getting 8cm on femurs first. Average height in China is 5'8" which is 172cm. You, at 163cm, will reach 171cm, which is just 1cm shorter than average. You will be doing well.
12cm will take too long to recover from as it will require two surgeries.
It's my fault that I didn't mention her mother's height.She is 148cm or so.(Anyway she is shorter than me by half head)
Maybe on her shoes,I will be 175cm or so(and without shoes,cause of illusion).
The reason I think of LL is to satisfy her mother.
Myself don't desire to be tall very much.'Just so so' is no problem.
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It's my fault that I didn't mention her mother's height.She is 148cm or so.(Anyway she is shorter than me by half head)
Maybe on her shoes,I will be 175cm or so(and without shoes,cause of illusion).
The reason I think of LL is to satisfy her mother.
Myself don't desire to be tall very much.'Just so so' is no problem.
You mentioned you are a student. This surgery is very costly and very time intensive. Are you sure you can bear that burden of finances and time? It could halt your education for half a year or more.
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You mentioned you are a student. This surgery is very costly and very time intensive. Are you sure you can bear that burden of finances and time? It could halt your education for half a year or more.
No.I never want to do LL during my study career(because if I enter into JiaoTong Univerisity,her mother may change her mind).I want to do LL after graduating from JiaoTong University（If her mother still didn't accept me）
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Is "enter into JiaoTong Univeristy" code for getting LL?
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Is "enter into JiaoTong Univeristy" code for getting LL?
No.JiaoTong Univerisity is a well-famous univerisity throughout China.Therefore I guess that can persuade her mother into marrying her daughter with me.If not so,then LL is a must,which I most hope it not to be.
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No.JiaoTong Univerisity is a well-famous univerisity throughout China.Therefore I guess that can persuade her mother into marrying her daughter with me.If not so,then LL is a must,which I most hope it not to be.
Women like your girlfriend's mom seem to be more concerned about enhancing the genetic quality of their grandchildren rather than anything else. That's why I personally don't think she might be impressed with your education as much as she would be with you being taller.
After all, women in the west literally lust after people with 0 education and sexy looks and stature. There has been many cases of literal criminals in the USA that have gained exponential levels of fame due to their looks, such as Richard Ramirez and Jeremy Meeks. Both of them are 6' 1", which translates to 185cm. They are also both very handsome.
They received money in jail and reportedly Jeremy Meeks was making more than the prison guards at the prison he was at. All from women who were lusting after them.
In my opinion, this is the ultimate proof that nothing is in your control when it comes to attraction. It sucks that your girlfriend's mother has such a grip on her personal decisions on who she wants to date, but I suppose some things are just not meant to happen.
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What I can say is more height more hope.
Since 180cm+ is funny，172cm or so is the most height I can achieved.Ahhhhh..
So I think if her mother is so stubborn，JT University + 172cm equals 180cm.
Or what else can I do?Nope.I really dont wanna date another girl，for my height.
I have been always discriminated and live a life of low level since my childhood.Its of big bliss that I got a gf who accepted me but then her mother didnt.Its a golden chance to get my own romance，as a short man.So I dont wanna give up her and thus LL is considered
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No.JiaoTong Univerisity is a well-famous univerisity throughout China.Therefore I guess that can persuade her mother into marrying her daughter with me.If not so,then LL is a must,which I most hope it not to be.
It also could mean foot pain though, right? ;D
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Please don’t listen to people telling you that it’s just not meant to be! Your girlfriend apparently loves you the way you are, and that’s the most important thing. I’m quite sure that your girlfriend’s mother will sooner or later accept you if you treat her daughter well. You shouldn’t do LL just to impress your girlfriend’s mother. Do it only if YOU are unhappy with your height.
By the way, your story is probably the saddest height discrimination story I’ve ever heard, and I think your girlfriend is really lucky to have a boyfriend like you (who is considering doing LL just to get her mother to accept him).
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your story is probably the saddest funniest height discrimination story I’ve ever heard
Fixed it for you. ;D
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Hey 985er, only do LL for yourself.
I don't think it is worth doing LL to make your gf's mom to accept you.. Her mom cares about genes. It is even worse if you cheat on it.
Honestly, I also feel sad for my children if I give them short genes. I dont want my children to suffer this too.
Do you really make the decision to not have the babies?
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Please don’t listen to people telling you that it’s just not meant to be! Your girlfriend apparently loves you the way you are, and that’s the most important thing. I’m quite sure that your girlfriend’s mother will sooner or later accept you if you treat her daughter well. You shouldn’t do LL just to impress your girlfriend’s mother. Do it only if YOU are unhappy with your height.
By the way, your story is probably the saddest height discrimination story I’ve ever heard, and I think your girlfriend is really lucky to have a boyfriend like you (who is considering doing LL just to get her mother to accept him).
Actually her mother knew I'd been treating her daughter like God Cuz my gf often communicates with her on phone or something else so her mother must have known that.So I thought that was not something about whether I treat her daughter well or not well.It's just everything about height.After all no mother-in-laws will pull one short man's hand into her door,for good gene.
And actually cuz of Chinese marriage culture,a hellva Chinese short men or women are being refused by mother-in-laws or other families for heights.I'm just one of them.
Anyway It's very upset for me to say LL is the only way out of this bad situation.
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Hey 985er, only do LL for yourself.
I don't think it is worth doing LL to make your gf's mom to accept you.. Her mom cares about genes. It is even worse if you cheat on it.
Honestly, I also feel sad for my children if I give them short genes. I dont want my children to suffer this too.
Do you really make the decision to not have the babies?
Her mother won't be that smart anyway.Even though I had a short child she wouldn't blame me for gene so that she wouldn't think I was cheating her.
Really,both of me and my gf don't want any child cuz we both knew our bad genes but if her mother compelled us to have children....I would like to cheat her,like Chinese saying 'What has been done cannot be undone'
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It’s your decision, but not having kids just because you and your girlfriend are short is pretty messed up. What if it’s a girl? Being short is not that big of a deal for girls. But even if it’s a boy, there are plenty of short guys whose life is awesome despite their height. Again, it’s your decision, but you shouldn’t miss out on the joy of having kids just because of “bad” genes. Because what’s next? Ugly couples shouldn’t have children because their children might be ugly too? Unintelligent couples shouldn’t have children because their children might be unintelligent too? Couples of certain ethnicities shouldn’t have children because their children might face racial discrimination?
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It’s your decision, but not having kids just because you and your girlfriend are short is pretty messed up. What if it’s a girl? Being short is not that big of a deal for girls. But even if it’s a boy, there are plenty of short guys whose life is awesome despite their height. Again, it’s your decision, but you shouldn’t miss out on the joy of having kids just because of “bad” genes. Because what’s next? Ugly couples shouldn’t have children because their children might be ugly too? Unintelligent couples shouldn’t have children because their children might be unintelligent too? Couples of certain ethnicities shouldn’t have children because their children might face racial discrimination?
He is just being practical. He mentions he is 162 and he is gf is like 150. If they have a son, statistically speaking he ll probably end up less than 165. I am 165 and I can guarantee that life is crap, even here in northern Europe where height discrimination does not exist in such an extreme form.
If he has a daughter and she ends up 150,do you think this is not a problem? A girl being short is not as bad as a guy, but at the point of 150 I don't think it is nice
I wouldn't want to have my children needing to do LL, although if need to at least I would have been the guinea pig already
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OK, it’s your decision, I don’t want to convince anyone to have kids if they think their kids might end up unhappy. But I think it’s sad that people feel they shouldn’t have kids just because of their height. 有匪君子‘s girlfriend is 148 cm, but is she miserable because of her height? Does she think her life is not worth living? Probably not. And who knows, maybe LL will be much safer and easier in 20 years’ time. Again, I don’t want to convince anyone to have kids, but be aware that there are few things in life that can bring you as much joy as becoming a parent and raising a child.
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It’s your decision, but not having kids just because you and your girlfriend are short is pretty messed up. What if it’s a girl? Being short is not that big of a deal for girls. But even if it’s a boy, there are plenty of short guys whose life is awesome despite their height. Again, it’s your decision, but you shouldn’t miss out on the joy of having kids just because of “bad” genes. Because what’s next? Ugly couples shouldn’t have children because their children might be ugly too? Unintelligent couples shouldn’t have children because their children might be unintelligent too? Couples of certain ethnicities shouldn’t have children because their children might face racial discrimination?
It's disgusting that In China,parents are gods.They can unconditionally command thier offsprings to do all that they want and having children is the example.So we have to be faced with children's pain with our eyes and there ain't other ways...But if my mother-in-law did will want us to have a baby,only thing that we do is to raise him or her up with all kinds of cares.
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He is just being practical. He mentions he is 162 and he is gf is like 150. If they have a son, statistically speaking he ll probably end up less than 165. I am 165 and I can guarantee that life is crap, even here in northern Europe where height discrimination does not exist in such an extreme form.
If he has a daughter and she ends up 150,do you think this is not a problem? A girl being short is not as bad as a guy, but at the point of 150 I don't think it is nice
I wouldn't want to have my children needing to do LL, although if need to at least I would have been the guinea pig already
Until today I've known maybe I had also been sacrificed for my parent's wedding... :(
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OK, it’s your decision, I don’t want to convince anyone to have kids if they think their kids might end up unhappy. But I think it’s sad that people feel they shouldn’t have kids just because of their height. 有匪君子‘s girlfriend is 148 cm, but is she miserable because of her height? Does she think her life is not worth living? Probably not. And who knows, maybe LL will be much safer and easier in 20 years’ time. Again, I don’t want to convince anyone to have kids, but be aware that there are few things in life that can bring you as much joy as becoming a parent and raising a child.
Thx...If my children were destined to be bullied,discriminated or something else because of height,only thing we can do was to take good care of him or her mental and bring much joy to him or her.
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You can never make sure that your child won’t be bullied. Even if YOU were tall, your child could still take after his mother (e.g., Will Smith’s son Jaden is way shorter than his father). Or if you used a sperm donation from a tall donor, your child could still end up, e.g., with a huge nose because the donor’s mom had a huge nose. Or there could be complications during birth and your child might end up mentally disabled. If you give your child enough love, he/she will be happy no matter what.
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I apologies for suggesting that very short people should consider carefully before marrying each other and I concede that this thinking is prejudicial. To reproduce is a fundamental human right and so it should be. To the OP - maybe if you spend some time with your girlfriends mother and she gets to know you then she may see past her prejudices. I don't think you should do this surgery just for her. It's a challenging, costly and a somewhat risky surgery and it won't really fix the problem - if she finds out that you had the surgery then she might feel you tried to cheat her and this will likely damage your relationship in any case.
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You can never make sure that your child won’t be bullied. Even if YOU were tall, your child could still take after his mother (e.g., Will Smith’s son Jaden is way shorter than his father). Or if you used a sperm donation from a tall donor, your child could still end up, e.g., with a huge nose because the donor’s mom had a huge nose. Or there could be complications during birth and your child might end up mentally disabled. If you give your child enough love, he/she will be happy no matter what.
Fit what I was thinking!
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I apologies for suggesting that very short people should consider carefully before marrying each other and I concede that this thinking is prejudicial. To reproduce is a fundamental human right and so it should be. To the OP - maybe if you spend some time with your girlfriends mother and she gets to know you then she may see past her prejudices. I don't think you should do this surgery just for her. It's a challenging, costly and a somewhat risky surgery and it won't really fix the problem - if she finds out that you had the surgery then she might feel you tried to cheat her and this will likely damage your relationship in any case.
In fact I'm to do this surgery for myself meanwhile.If it's empty enough for you,you can read my past posts and you shall know why I said 'I'm to do this surgery for myself meanwhile'.
So anyway her mother is a catalyzer.I just found a reasonable excuse for myself or I dunno why I would rather receive others' personal attacks to my height.But actually I'm indeed bombarded with misery from my height.
Guys above are right.I truly love her and I don't wanna give her up.
As for 'spend some time with her mother and she gets to know you then she may see past her prejudices.'...I knew of her temper and bad personality.So let's say No.
And I can guarantee even she found scars on my legs or I couldn't walk at normal speed or something else,it wouldn't inform her of LL .You and I can take it easy.Her mother didn't receive general education and can't speak a single English word.You know,China is always shutting away any piece of information about LL and her mother is always busy working that she couldn't spare time to surf on the Internet or TV(China is more strict with controlling information about LL on TV).So she wouldn't know I did this surgery.That's why I dare do LL to cheat her.
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In fact I'm to do this surgery for myself meanwhile.If it's empty enough for you,you can read my past posts and you shall know why I said 'I'm to do this surgery for myself meanwhile'.
So anyway her mother is a catalyzer.I just found a reasonable excuse for myself or I dunno why I would rather receive others' personal attacks to my height.But actually I'm indeed bombarded with misery from my height.
Guys above are right.I truly love her and I don't wanna give her up.
As for 'spend some time with her mother and she gets to know you then she may see past her prejudices.'...I knew of her temper and bad personality.So let's say No.
And I can guarantee even she found scars on my legs or I couldn't walk at normal speed or something else,it wouldn't inform her of LL .You and I can take it easy.Her mother didn't receive general education and can't speak a single English word.You know,China is always shutting away any piece of information about LL and her mother is always busy working.So she wouldn't know I did this surgery.That's why I dare do LL to cheat her.
Understood and good luck!
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Understood and good luck!
Thx!
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Hi
I understand your situation and concerns, that push you to consider LL. However, if you do LL with 8cm or more, I am sure your gf's mom will notice it as well as many others. How can you handle this situation? Is there any perfect scenario?
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Hi
I understand your situation and concerns, that push you to consider LL. However, if you do LL with 8cm or more, I am sure your gf's mom will notice it as well as many others. How can you handle this situation? Is there any perfect scenario?
My scenario is the best scneario.What I've said is that only me and my gf will know about this whole plan.I know I'll be noticed by others besides us but there ain't any explanation except that I grew taller thanks to my gene.
Chineses know very little about LL besides short ones and the education level of my gf's family is not high.I'd thank for China's banning the information about LL but take pity on other short people who haven't heard of this surgery.
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If you cannot guarantee your prospective offspring(s) with the fact that they won't suffer, be afflicted with illness, sadness, existential dread and injuries then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
Philosopher David Benatar presents in his book “Better Never to Have Been” an asymmetry that exists between existence and non-existence. I can not outline his whole work on here; I recommend reading his book if you want to know the big picture.
Put simply, the asymmetry illustrates how not existing is preferable over existing in any case. When you exist, you experience positive things, which is good, and negative things, which is bad. When you do not exist, you do not experience negative things, which is good. You also do not experience positive things, which is not bad, though, as not experiencing good things is only perceived as suffering when it is deprivation. Besides what are you being deprived of when you never had existed in the first place?
Not to mention they didn't even consented on being born in the first place.
Thus, non-existence is preferable as you do not experience suffering and are also not able to miss the delights you miss out on. To put it in a rather humorous way as an analogy: Have you ever felt pity for the poor non-existent inhabitants of Ernst Thälmann Island, for they can not behold the beautiful Caribbean beaches? How about the non existent incel that would be snooping around esoteric height growing or face fixing forums in the hopes of finding a girlfriend?
The only reason people reproduce is because of tradition and also because it feels good to fŭck which is one reason people tout the reproduce is "muh human rightz" (willingly passing on their sħitty disability inducing genetics thus condemning their children to a life of misery), had they even put in a modicum amount of thought none would be able to rationalize such a stupid decision in the first place.
Had you not existed you wouldn't have to worry about your height, your looks or women finding you attractive to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTpk2hodhxM
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If you cannot guarantee your prospective offspring(s) with the fact that they won't suffer, be afflicted with illness, sadness, existential dread and injuries then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
No one should have children, then, because there is no guarantee. My wife’s co-worker and her husband are both perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their first child is also perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their second child was born with a congenital disease and will never be able to lead a normal life.
And yes, a really short couple will most probably have a short child. But even a tall couple can, in rare cases, have a short child. Although my wife is not short, she’s significantly shorter than her mom even though her dad is close to 200 cm (and yes, it’s her real dad because she looks very much like him), most probably because her grandmother is really short. Again, there’s no guarantee.
Plus, even if your child ends up short, he/she can still have a great life. Of course, you can’t assume that your child is going to become a pop star, but do you think that Bruno Mars or Ariana Grande would rather not exist? On the other hand, there are people whose life seems perfect but who are still depressed (e.g., Chris Cornell). Again, there’s just no guarantee.
The only reason people reproduce is because of tradition and also because it feels good to fŭck
When I was suffering from hypogonadism in my late teens, one doctor told me I might not be able to have children. At that time, I didn’t give a damn because, like you, I didn’t understand why someone would want to reproduce in the first place. Fortunately, that doctor was wrong, and everything went back to normal a few years later. Nowadays, I can say that being a father and watching my child grow up is the most beautiful thing in the world, and I’d rather be 150 cm than no longer be able to see my child smile at me when I wake up in the morning. So it’s not always all about tradition or the fact that it feels good to have sxx (which also feels good if your partner is on birth control).
(Just my two cents, I’m not looking to start another fight with you.)
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Height genes are pretty much random these days. You can have tall children even though you're short especially if you are Asian.
Look at the following example. How small the dad is on the right. And all the 3 sons are easily TALL AND BIG.
(https://i.ibb.co/tB8WcKH/Whats-App-Image-2020-10-19-at-20-02-392.jpg)
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Trust me guys we're not allowed to have no children.I've said both I and my gf don't wanna have any children because we know how miserable our children will be but we have no other alternatives.So please don't criticize.I know how stubborn her mother is.
BTW genevariations are of little possibilities so don't illusion that.I do never let go of my gf because of our children being short.That's impossible i swear.If my children are as short as me I'll afford them to do LL or anything else but of course yet I hope they can grow healthily in mental and fall in love like me.But if height was the blockage,I'll help them.So unless we persuade her families out of having babies,we have to have babies,which fights against our willings.So whether we will have children is not our faults.So blahblah in this thread is meaningless(I also found this thread had stirred up some major problems...)
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Trust me guys we're not allowed to have no children.I've said both I and my gf don't wanna have any children because we know how miserable our children will be but we have no other alternatives.So please don't criticize.I know how stubborn her mother is.
BTW genevariations are of little possibilities so don't illusion that.I do never let go of my gf because of our children being short.That's impossible i swear.If my children are as short as me I'll afford them to do LL or anything else but of course yet I hope they can grow healthily in mental and fall in love like me.But if height was the blockage,I'll help them.So unless we persuade her families out of having babies,we have to have babies,which fights against our willings.So whether we will have children is not our faults.So blahblah in this thread is meaningless(I also found this thread had stirred up some major problems...)
There's also something called HGH.
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There's also something called HGH.
HGH can only be used for those who are lack of GH(Actually I had a friend who did tell me that and of course he used HGH in the childhood) and I did research relative informantion long time ago for more height.
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Pretty sure you can use it for familial short stature.
I know of a guy (ghkid2019) who did HGH and got an inch. He would have gotten more had he started earlier. Endocrinologists in the US also prescribe HGH.
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"Who also needs this surgery for girlfriend's mother like me??"
No one. Because no one else is idiotic enough to think like that.
Aha the irony!! Isn't all of us are doing it for some idiotic reason or another? At least OP has a noble reason - they say 'everything is fair in love and war', On the flip side we can also say 'love is blind' ;)
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No one should have children, then, because there is no guarantee. My wife’s co-worker and her husband are both perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their first child is also perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their second child was born with a congenital disease and will never be able to lead a normal life.
And yes, a really short couple will most probably have a short child. But even a tall couple can, in rare cases, have a short child. Although my wife is not short, she’s significantly shorter than her mom even though her dad is close to 200 cm (and yes, it’s her real dad because she looks very much like him), most probably because her grandmother is really short. Again, there’s no guarantee.
Plus, even if your child ends up short, he/she can still have a great life. Of course, you can’t assume that your child is going to become a pop star, but do you think that Bruno Mars or Ariana Grande would rather not exist? On the other hand, there are people whose life seems perfect but who are still depressed (e.g., Chris Cornell). Again, there’s just no guarantee.
When I was suffering from hypogonadism in my late teens, one doctor told me I might not be able to have children. At that time, I didn’t give a damn because, like you, I didn’t understand why someone would want to reproduce in the first place. Fortunately, that doctor was wrong, and everything went back to normal a few years later. Nowadays, I can say that being a father and watching my child grow up is the most beautiful thing in the world, and I’d rather be 150 cm than no longer be able to see my child smile at me when I wake up in the morning. So it’s not always all about tradition or the fact that it feels good to have sxx (which also feels good if your partner is on birth control).
(Just my two cents, I’m not looking to start another fight with you.)
Yap all of this is addressed in the video I linked, which is just another post hoc rationalization.
Like Stardusk said they could produce thousands of studies detailing how parents are unhappy than non parents of the same age but people will still reproduce because it is inevitably a result of our evolution, it's coded in the DNA of the majority of people to want to have kids as ultimately people's instincts supplants reason.
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Aha the irony!! Isn't all of us are doing it for some idiotic reason or another? At least OP has a noble reason - they say 'everything is fair in love and war', On the flip side we can also say 'love is blind' ;)
Bull . What are you? 12 year old?
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Yap all of this is addressed in the video I linked, which is just another post hoc rationalization.
Like Stardusk said they could produce thousands of studies detailing how parents are unhappy than non parents of the same age but people will still reproduce because it is inevitably a result of our evolution, it's coded in the DNA of the majority of people to want to have kids as ultimately people's instincts supplants reason.
I don’t think that having kids is for everyone, and I’m sure that some parents would be happier if they didn’t have kids. But for me, seeing my child smile is the highest form of happiness I’ve ever experienced. I wouldn’t trade this feeling for anything in the world, and no philosopher or study can convince me otherwise. It’s somehow comparable to the feeling of giving a gift to someone you love and seeing how happy it is making them—just a thousand times more intense.
When I was suffering from hypogonadism, I also had some serious spells of depression and spent a few weeks in the hospital. It was a terrible time, but it did not make me wish I had never been born. Imagine going on a two-week vacation and having a terrible first day—it’s raining, your wallet gets stolen, etc. But the rest of your vacation is just awesome—lots of sunshine, parties, great food, etc. At the end of your vacation, would you regret having gone on vacation in the first place just because the first day was terrible?
Just another example, an old friend of mine (who was a real Chad in high school) had a motorcycle accident in his early twenties and has been confined to a wheelchair since. He was severely depressed for at least two to three years following his accident before he turned his life around. Nowadays he’s one of the happiest guys I know. He has a beautiful daughter and wife and is one of the most successful Paralympic athletes in the world.
As a parent, you can never guarantee that your child will always be happy, but there’s a lot you can do to make sure that there’s more light than darkness in your child’s life and that they will lead a happy and fulfilling life despite any potential challenges and adversities. But again, just because raising my child is the best thing in the world for me, doesn’t mean that everyone needs to have children in order to be happy.
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I don’t think that having kids is for everyone, and I’m sure that some parents would be happier if they didn’t have kids. But for me, seeing my child smile is the highest form of happiness I’ve ever experienced. I wouldn’t trade this feeling for anything in the world, and no philosopher or study can convince me otherwise. It’s somehow comparable to the feeling of giving a gift to someone you love and seeing how happy it is making them—just a thousand times more intense.
When I was suffering from hypogonadism, I also had some serious spells of depression and spent a few weeks in the hospital. It was a terrible time, but it did not make me wish I had never been born. Imagine going on a two-week vacation and having a terrible first day—it’s raining, your wallet gets stolen, etc. But the rest of your vacation is just awesome—lots of sunshine, parties, great food, etc. At the end of your vacation, would you regret having gone on vacation in the first place just because the first day was terrible?
Just another example, an old friend of mine (who was a real Chad in high school) had a motorcycle accident in his early twenties and has been confined to a wheelchair since. He was severely depressed for at least two to three years following his accident before he turned his life around. Nowadays he’s one of the happiest guys I know. He has a beautiful daughter and wife and is one of the most successful Paralympic athletes in the world.
As a parent, you can never guarantee that your child will always be happy, but there’s a lot you can do to make sure that there’s more light than darkness in your child’s life and that they will lead a happy and fulfilling life despite any potential challenges and adversities. But again, just because raising my child is the best thing in the world for me, doesn’t mean that everyone needs to have children in order to be happy.
To cover,parents with bad genes shoulnd't have children or that'll really screw up your children.Don't let'em reexperience your pain and there's also no meaning to pass on dwarflike genes.That's what I thought so that's my mother-in-law's fault.
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To cover,parents with bad genes shoulnd't have children or that'll really screw up your children.Don't let'em reexperience your pain and there's also no meaning to pass on dwarflike genes.That's what I thought so that's my mother-in-law's fault.
No, quite the contrary! Even couples with “excellent genes” can have a mentally or physically challenged child (like my wife’s co-worker and her husband). There’s just no guarantee. And even though your child will most likely be below average height, given that both you and your girlfriend are not particularly tall, it doesn’t mean that your child can’t live a happy and fulfilling life (especially if it’s a girl).
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No, quite the contrary! Even couples with “excellent genes” can have a mentally or physically challenged child (like my wife’s co-worker and her husband). There’s just no guarantee. And even though your child will most likely be below average height, given that both you and your girlfriend are not particularly tall, it doesn’t mean that your child can’t live a happy and fulfilling life (especially if it’s a girl).
All of us here will pray so that he has a girl then, lmao.
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No, quite the contrary! Even couples with “excellent genes” can have a mentally or physically challenged child (like my wife’s co-worker and her husband). There’s just no guarantee. And even though your child will most likely be below average height, given that both you and your girlfriend are not particularly tall, it doesn’t mean that your child can’t live a happy and fulfilling life (especially if it’s a girl).
Well...That's problem about possibilities.Short men are mentals--------99.999999％.Tall men are mentals(comparing to short men)---------10％(and I don't think that's that much if that tall man is handsome and rich.I just equal them to short men).
All above you can see even though there's no guarantee that short men must have dysphoria and tall men must have health mental but the formers' possibilities are higher than the latters'.You can grasp it from Darwin's theory of evolution where you have to place much emphasis on Natural Selection.That's why I and my gf both don't hope to have any baby.I'm also convinced that every LLer here has once complained about his or her bad height gene because he or she is not tall.That's why we aim for LL.And I don't think as being Chinese,a people busy with work,can spare empty time to take care of children every second.He's also bombarded with study and work in future.I don't think he can grow happily as expected.
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Well...That's problem about possibilities.Short men are mentals--------99.999999％.Tall men are mentals(comparing to short men)---------10％(and I don't think that's that much if that tall man is handsome and rich.I just equal them to short men).
All above you can see even though there's no guarantee that short men must have dysphoria and tall men must have health mental but the formers' possibilities are higher than the latters'.You can grasp it from Darwin's theory of evolution where you have to place much emphasis on Natural Selection.That's why I and my gf both don't hope to have any baby.I'm also convinced that every LLer here has once complained about his or her bad height gene because he or she is not tall.That's why we aim for LL.And I don't think as being Chinese,a people busy with work,can spare empty time to take care of children every second.He's also bombarded with study and work in future.I don't think he can grow happily as expected.
Those numbers are only based on your own distorted perception. I know plenty of tall guys who are not successful in life (no partner, sh*tty job, etc.), and I know plenty of short guys who are happy and successful. Would they still like to be taller? I assume most of them would. But this doesn’t prevent them from being happy.
Most bald guys would like to have hair, most women with small boobs would like to have bigger boobs, most people with an ugly face would like to have a more attractive face, etc. Does this mean they’re all miserable?
I believe that every person has the potential to be happy, and every person has the potential to be unhappy—no matter the circumstances. I think Body Builder here on this forum once explained it very well. You can either accept your fate and try to improve your current situation or resign and drown in self-pity. That friend I mentioned in my previous post (who had a motorcycle accident and is now a professional Paralympic athlete) was also very close to giving up but eventually managed to adopt a winning mentality and become a happy and successful person despite his handicap. If you can instill that kind of winning mentality in your child, they’ll be able to lead a happy and fulfilling life regardless of how tall or attractive they are.
But again, if you don’t want to have children, that’s totally fine. I just don’t agree with your reasoning (which is also fine).
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So if you and your girlfriend don't want to have a baby then why have this surgery? Her mom wants tall grandchildren. Tell her you don't plan on having any children. End of story
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So if you and your girlfriend don't want to have a baby then why have this surgery? Her mom wants tall grandchildren. Tell her you don't plan on having any children. End of story
Then the end of story is me being compelled to break up with my gf and she being gonna be scolded.
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Bump
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How tall is she? and how tall are you? Were you raised in the city or country?
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How tall is she? and how tall are you? Were you raised in the city or country?
Alright I am just the OP. I lost that account's password so I can't login through that one anymore.
Here is the sequel:
She was compelled to disconnect with me by her grandparents who abused her physically by whipping with a rope(her grandpa did it) and she was afraid to keep touch with me so we can say we've totally broken up with each other. And after that I tried to aperiodically email her without letting her families know but it seems to me she was suffering from PTSD and afraid to contact with me even just via email. And she told me never 'harass' her again and I've kept myself without the contacts for over half a year already. So I think it's of no use worrying about if my post-LL height can satisfy her mother anymore.
But I still wanna do LL to satisfy myself and I found out that those who don't do LL for girls are just bent on doing LL to increase their self-worths and self-esteems though when we hit old ages height can't make many senses like in teenagers and youths. So just do it as soon as possible! Don't waste time on being hesitant on LL! If you wanna do it just do it if you think it's riskful and not worth it just give up!
I was raised in city and she raised in a little village before she started kindergarten and then her family came to my city. And I am 162cm and she is like 150cm.
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If you cannot guarantee your prospective offspring(s) with the fact that they won't suffer, be afflicted with illness, sadness, existential dread and injuries then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
Philosopher David Benatar presents in his book “Better Never to Have Been” an asymmetry that exists between existence and non-existence. I can not outline his whole work on here; I recommend reading his book if you want to know the big picture.
Put simply, the asymmetry illustrates how not existing is preferable over existing in any case. When you exist, you experience positive things, which is good, and negative things, which is bad. When you do not exist, you do not experience negative things, which is good. You also do not experience positive things, which is not bad, though, as not experiencing good things is only perceived as suffering when it is deprivation. Besides what are you being deprived of when you never had existed in the first place?
Not to mention they didn't even consented on being born in the first place.
Thus, non-existence is preferable as you do not experience suffering and are also not able to miss the delights you miss out on. To put it in a rather humorous way as an analogy: Have you ever felt pity for the poor non-existent inhabitants of Ernst Thälmann Island, for they can not behold the beautiful Caribbean beaches? How about the non existent incel that would be snooping around esoteric height growing or face fixing forums in the hopes of finding a girlfriend?
The only reason people reproduce is because of tradition and also because it feels good to fŭck which is one reason people tout the reproduce is "muh human rightz" (willingly passing on their sħitty disability inducing genetics thus condemning their children to a life of misery), had they even put in a modicum amount of thought none would be able to rationalize such a stupid decision in the first place.
Had you not existed you wouldn't have to worry about your height, your looks or women finding you attractive to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTpk2hodhxM
Wow, Great Honorable Philosopher ZUCC420 appeared in my post to waste so much time on the harangue riddled with unlogical nonsenses(I think you better turn to learn science not philosophy. It seems philosophy can't fit with your intelligence.)
If you are already convinced 'not experiencing good things' is 'not bad', then why experiencing bad thing is bad? Do you know what 'negative proposition' is? I think as a negative propostion, the true conclusion is 'not experencing good things is not bad while experiencing bad things is not good' if you've developed a really explicit logical thinking?
Secondly, if you are really obsessed with such outlandish ideology, what is the reason that you can use your smartphone or computer to write down this kind of addresses? From the way I understand all you said they should've preferred to be non-existent, therefore phones or computers should've also been non-existent since the inventors should've also been non-existent, let alone languages, or even philosophy itself(the philosopher should've been non-existent also right?)
Finally, who told you I wanted children? I've repeated like for billions of times I don't want children. So your speech was totally absurd in the logic and comprehension from the beginning to the end.
You are not sophisticated either at all.
Who told you having children is just a tradition? I am not saying tradition is never the component of the motivations of having children but having children is also a crystal of romance, in order to challenge how true to the core yourself and your romantic partner are and how much smartly and flexibly you can circumvent or even surmount the barriers that God sets up in your two's life after establishing a relationship/getting married, etc.
You are definitely like only ranging from 15 to 17 y.o rn at least you still haven't finished middle school. Your view of this world is very juvenile and bizarre, even appearing to be a pure psychopath who is pathetic enough to be suffering from psychiatric disorders in such a young age right?
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Alright I am just the OP. I lost that account's password so I can't login through that one anymore.
Here is the sequel:
She was compelled to disconnect with me by her grandparents who abused her physically by whipping with a rope(her grandpa did it) and she was afraid to keep touch with me so we can say we've totally broken up with each other. And after that I tried to aperiodically email her without letting her families know but it seems to me she was suffering from PTSD and afraid to contact with me even just via email. And she told me never 'harass' her again and I've kept myself without the contacts for over half a year already. So I think it's of no use worrying about if my post-LL height can satisfy her mother anymore.
But I still wanna do LL to satisfy myself and I found out that those who don't do LL for girls are just bent on doing LL to increase their self-worths and self-esteems though when we hit old ages height can't make many senses like in teenagers and youths. So just do it as soon as possible! Don't waste time on being hesitant on LL! If you wanna do it just do it if you think it's riskful and not worth it just give up!
I was raised in city and she raised in a little village before she started kindergarten and then her family came to my city. And I am 162cm and she is like 150cm.
Were you and this girl that close? It sounds like it was more a high-school crush thing than anything serious or in any way sexual. It also sounds like you were way more into her than she was into you which would explain her behaviour.
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Were you and this girl that close? It sounds like it was more a high-school crush thing than anything serious or in any way sxxual. It also sounds like you were way more into her than she was into you which would explain her behaviour.
Yeah back then she was only 16 y.o who just started senior school but now she was gonna graduate into college/university around July this yr. For who is more into who part, I gotta agree with you. It indeed seems to me that I am more relying on her than she is relying on me.
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Fixed it for you. ;D
If you are thinking my story is not interesting enough for you to hear out just leave from my post.
It's not worth it for you to spare any time on this post anymore right?
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You mentioned you are a student. This surgery is very costly and very time intensive. Are you sure you can bear that burden of finances and time? It could halt your education for half a year or more.
I forgot to add informations about it.
I don't want to expose too much personal informations here but I got two houses, respectively for my parents and for myself and I am planning to exchange the house for myself for this surgery and for time intensity, I can do LL after graduations and if everything proceeded smoothly I could just immigrate to USA through studying abroad in Mercy College that is located at New York State and become a PR, that is to say LL was just a breeze.
I am already very badly bent on this surgery so those potiential issues you mentioned above are not hard for me to overcome.
The only issue I am worried about is whether Precise nails can come back when I hit USA and if it never came back my life was over.
For one guy who was convicting me to sell my parents' houses, just eat your crow rn. That house is originally left for me and why can't I exercise my right to sell it?
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Is "enter into JiaoTong Univeristy" code for getting LL?
I know why you were decoding Jiaotong as foot pain.
Jiaotong stands for 交通, instead of ‘脚痛’.