Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: Dirona on February 13, 2021, 02:36:09 PM
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I am thinking about how bad the situation is for someone who is 5'6" in the West, mainly North America.I know the probability of finding an "attractive" girlfriend is low but is it very less? I have not been able to date attractive looking girls but I have been successful in dating average looking girls...How has your experience been? Has LL changed the equation completely?
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I just wish that I was a couple of inches taller :( :( :(
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It varies based on other things. There's a short pro wrestler (I'm not sure how short, I think the 5'4 listed on Wikipedia is an underestimate) named Drake Maverick, not even an in-proportion short; he has a goofy long neck and a big torso with tiny dwarf-looking legs (actually he's one of the best LL candidates I've ever seen). But he's on TV so his girlfriend is pretty hot. Same with 5'2 Marko Stunt who is even shorter but has better features.
Not being on TV myself, there is a big difference between how girls reacted to the 5'7 me and the current me.
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Yeah..those on TV/celebrities are outliers.
I guess it is very very important for short folks to take care of other aspects of life (weight, career, grooming etc).. Tall guys can get away with it..
But for you, is it because you became less angry/more personable etc or just the height itself made you more attractive with your personality more or less the same?
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I am thinking about how bad the situation is for someone who is 5'6" in the West, mainly North America.I know the probability of finding an "attractive" girlfriend is low but is it very less? I have not been able to date attractive looking girls but I have been successful in dating average looking girls...How has your experience been? Has LL changed the equation completely?
The internet makes short height sound like a disability. Reality could not be further from the truth. It is very common to see a short man with a very attractive women.
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The possibility is always there, but that's not what's important. What's important is the probability ;)
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I am 5'5 and had an attractive girl as my girlfriend in the past. She has the same height as me. Maybe it's different in the US. I think it's more about self-satisfaction than getting a girlfriend.
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This thread is fücking retarded.
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@below the mean... couldn't agree more...
If the probability is greater than 30 percent(>0.3), then it is okay..If it is less than 10 percent, then it says something..All this is based on anecdotal evidence of course but still..
@indian..I do not want to get LL for curing height dysphoria, if you want to call it that..This surgery is no joke ..I hope I get significant tangible benefits out of it
I am also going through a bad phase in life..That also contributes to how I feel about myself which is angry, frustrated and sad..
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Getting LL for the wrong reasons. A majority of the expectations or "desires Post-LL" should be thrown out. This cures dysphoria/neurosis (probably), makes more self confidence and loving towards ones self. View anything more as a BONUS, not a baseline expectation, and you will love the results. Expecting anything more as a guarantee/baseline? Probably not good outcome
I hope I get significant tangible benefits out of it
I'm sure you'll get something tangible in terms of even slightly more appeal to women (compared to old height) for sure, but squash any expectations first, or else you may be disappointed. I would be lying if I said I didn't factor in that for myself (and everyone else is lying too if they say it's completely for themselves and nothing external at all) but self esteem is the major one thing you should expect, everything else is bonus and not guarantee. It's fine if you disagree, you still have the right to do LL and I'm sure you'll have a somewhat improved life regardless, even if marginally, as with most LL vets.
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I had some very attractive gfs before LL.
But I was too young and they were too young also (17 up to 22) so I doubt if that would still happen at 25yo or my current age (30+).
The younger you are the bigger are the possibilities to find an attractive girl who looks better than you.
The older women get the more they discover their "value" and go for men with a good appearance (where height is the most important) and successful because they have plenty of choices and usually choose one of the best.
And a 5.6 guy is most of the times not good enough for them except they are shorter and the guy is really rich or famous.
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I had some very attractive gfs before LL.
But I was too young and they were too young also (17 up to 22) so I doubt if that would still happen at 25yo or my current age (30+).
The younger you are the bigger are the possibilities to find an attractive girl who looks better than you.
The older women get the more they discover their "value" and go for men with a good appearance (where height is the most important) and successful because they have plenty of choices and usually choose one of the best.
And a 5.6 guy is most of the times not good enough for them except they are shorter and the guy is really rich or famous.
Could not be further from the truth. Women's initial standards are high but once they actually get to know the guy they come down to earth. Only tossers and shallow women make a decision on a partner based only on appearance, and you do not need to be a millionaire or famous either. Tinder and some phoney one night stands are another story though. I am confident and charismatic so I could be standing next to a guy who is 6ft3 but I would be the taller one. Men and women can just tell the energy of a confident man and that is what wins. Period.
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There is also certain possibilities that you could get electrocuted by thunder.So what?As low possibilities are it doesn't mean you must succeed in possessing an attractive gf.
Becoming taller and handsomer will definitely entitle you to have more attractive gf.So stop being childish about the ideas that you can accidentally date a beautiful gf.
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The internet makes short height sound like a disability. Reality could not be further from the truth. It is very common to see a short man with a very attractive women.
Sorry that I haven't seen it very common to witness a short man with a very attractive woman.All women are awared that height is very difficult to change so height will be the most crucial factor of a man's charm.What's more Internet can reflect some truths in reality
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I am thinking about how bad the situation is for someone who is 5'6" in the West, mainly North America.I know the probability of finding an "attractive" girlfriend is low but is it very less? I have not been able to date attractive looking girls but I have been successful in dating average looking girls...How has your experience been? Has LL changed the equation completely?
I’ve dated a few model worthy girls, height isn’t the determining factor with everyone.
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It is unlikely due to chance. Girls in the West on average will be taller than you. You very rarely see a taller woman than man. Limits the pool and the only a fraction of them will be attractive.
At your height I think being friendly, funny and intelligent is your best option. I've seen others try to be overly confident and has failed at that height, I've never seen anyone succeed with it.
You aren't really competing against the 190cm group, if a woman wants tall man she is not going for you. You are competing with the 180cm group which are statistically many more in number than you
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Sorry that I haven't seen it very common to witness a short man with a very attractive woman.All women are awared that height is very difficult to change so height will be the most crucial factor of a man's charm.What's more Internet can reflect some truths in reality
I live in Ireland and girls here don't obsess about mens heights at all, maybe that is the reason why.
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Yeah..those on TV/celebrities are outliers.
Same for very wealthy/successful non-celebrities. A Jaguar and an Armani suit can do wonders for even the shortest man.
And I used those two guys as examples because the pro wrestling business seems to be in permanent decline. Those two guys are lucky to make a middle-class income. Make a name for yourself and you don't even need the money to get some of the benefits.
But for you, is it because you became less angry/more personable etc or just the height itself made you more attractive with your personality more or less the same?
About 50/50 I think. I'm still somehwat angry and impersonable, but now the milder anger comes from a more physically desirable guy who doesn't look like his anger is due to a Napoleon complex.;D
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Really there are too many factors here for one simple answer. The best answer for the OP is: if the type of girl that you find attractive tends to be the type of girl that likes taller guys, then you're out of luck. If the type of girl you find attractive doesn't care how tall you are, then your height doesn't matter.
If that's not very helpful, then the fact is attraction is very subjective, which is why you get such a huge variety of answers in this thread. What one guy thinks is a 10/10 might only be a 5/10 to another guy. Some guys are certainly pickier than others, and if you're more picky with women than what you can bring to the table overall, then you're going to have a hard time.
Also, what counts as "short" is very subjective as well. Honestly, short attractive guys have a better time with women than slightly taller and not very attractive guys. If you're short and not attractive, then you're probably SOL. Of course, if you're rich enough then you can easily find a very attractive girlfriend no matter what your physical attributes are, but she clearly would not be dating you for your physical attributes.
I think the only things that we can posit here are:
- A short, but otherwise well-rounded and confident guy can at least get some girls.
- The girls that this guy gets may or may not meet his standards.
- This exact same guy will have access to more girls than he did before, if he becomes taller.
- Therefore, it's more likely that the guy will find a girl that meets his standards if he becomes taller.
That's it - no absolutes.
CLL will help every guy do better with women, but for those starting from zero, they'll still be at zero after CLL, because height isn't the only thing that matters.
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Really there are too many factors here for one simple answer. The best answer for the OP is: if the type of girl that you find attractive tends to be the type of girl that likes taller guys, then you're out of luck. If the type of girl you find attractive doesn't care how tall you are, then your height doesn't matter.
If that's not very helpful, then the fact is attraction is very subjective, which is why you get such a huge variety of answers in this thread. What one guy thinks is a 10/10 might only be a 5/10 to another guy. Some guys are certainly pickier than others, and if you're more picky with women than what you can bring to the table overall, then you're going to have a hard time.
Also, what counts as "short" is very subjective as well. Honestly, short attractive guys have a better time with women than slightly taller and not very attractive guys. If you're short and not attractive, then you're probably SOL. Of course, if you're rich enough then you can easily find a very attractive girlfriend no matter what your physical attributes are, but she clearly would not be dating you for your physical attributes.
I think the only things that we can posit here are:
- A short, but otherwise well-rounded and confident guy can at least get some girls.
- The girls that this guy gets may or may not meet his standards.
- This exact same guy will have access to more girls than he did before, if he becomes taller.
- Therefore, it's more likely that the guy will find a girl that meets his standards if he becomes taller.
That's it - no absolutes.
CLL will help every guy do better with women, but for those starting from zero, they'll still be at zero after CLL, because height isn't the only thing that matters.
Nailed it!
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@MDOW
Fair enough..I have a friend who owns a medical equipment company..His net worth is around 10 mil).Not that big but still has an awesome girlfriend..But building net worth usually takes time..It does not happen overnight for a lot of people
I have a naturally angry/serious look..I am trying to smile a bit these days :) ..Yeah, the advantage a taller guy has is it is never mistaken for Napoleon complex..
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- The girls that this guy gets may or may not meet his standards.
Great analysis BTM..I am currently in this zone which sucks but perhaps I should get more fit and try harder
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I’m just posting this for fun and it absolutely not to be taken seriously but here is my general feeling about how height influences your attractiveness as a male in the west. I’ll say 5’9 is neutral, you aren’t getting points but generally its not deducting any. If attractiveness is on a scale of 1-10 id say for every inch you go below the neutral amount you lose roughly .5 points. Every inch you gain is probably about +.33 going above neutral.
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I’d also say going above 6’3 probably doesn’t have any real benefit and for every girl who will like it for others it may be too tall so it balances out.
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I’d also say going above 6’3 probably doesn’t have any real benefit and for every girl who will like it for others it may be too tall so it balances out.
Confidence is confidence, it can come at 5ft5 it can come at 6ft3 and thats what women want.
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Ya confidence is huge but all else equal, the girl will choose the taller guy.
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whats the point of this thread? you are asking this question on a forum where most people suffer from height dysphoria?
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Ya confidence is huge but all else equal, the girl will choose the taller guy.
Cant argue on that one but more often than not, the playing field is never equal.
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Yeah "all else being equal" is a theoretical concept.."All else" is never equal and that is how it should be :)
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whats the point of this thread? you are asking this question on a forum where most people suffer from height dysphoria?
The point of this thread is to get different perspectives on what people think about having an attractive girlfriend with below average height based on their life experiences..Just knowing different perspectives out there under one umbrella gives you a window into other people's thoughts/experiences which I find to be valuable
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The point of this thread is to get different perspectives on what people think about having an attractive girlfriend with below average height based on their life experiences..Just knowing different perspectives out there under one umbrella gives you a window into other people's thoughts/experiences which I find to be valuable
Funnily enough no matter how much you tell someone on this forum about the fact that height does not matter all that much, they will still have only one perspective and thats their own. Based on that we could say that this topic is pointless.
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Funnily enough no matter how much you tell someone on this forum about the fact that height does not matter all that much, they will still have only one perspective and thats their own. Based on that we could say that this topic is pointless.
Exactly. My friend is 5'7 and gets taller women. Why? Well, he has clean skin, he takes care of himself and he has long legs compared to his torso which apparently makes him look more attractive (not like a manlet). The difference is he is living his life to the fullest and height was never an issue. He is successful and happy. Maybe you should start there instead of getting 5cm and thinkig you will be a super model. Bro, let me tell you something, it wont change anything. You will still be the same fkboy and people will still on you. 5cm dont make an alpha.
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Exactly. My friend is 5'7 and gets taller women. Why? Well, he has clean skin, he takes care of himself and he has long legs compared to his torso which apparently makes him look more attractive (not like a manlet). The difference is he is living his life to the fullest and height was never an issue. He is successful and happy. Maybe you should start there instead of getting 5cm and thinkig you will be a super model. Bro, let me tell you something, it wont change anything. You will still be the same fkboy and people will still on you. 5cm dont make an alpha.
Well said.
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Cant argue on that one but more often than not, the playing field is never equal.
It is equal between the same guy who gets LL vs. not getting it.
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many here struggle with low self-esteem and confidence - gonna be difficult then obviously - many, many of my friends are married with kids etc - heights all vary down to 5f 4in - they are happy etc height don't matter in the long term - i remember when i wad 16 and a girl asked me to walk her home height didn't enter.my head nor hers - as we get older, we can develop or be predisposed to such neuroses etc in general i mean - after i got the surgery at 39, i returned home and soon slept with a 19 y old, possibly height helped but cannot be sure as i am handsome! - longer, deeper relationships will find u out etc height not so relevant..
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many here struggle with low self-esteem and confidence - gonna be difficult then obviously - many, many of my friends are married with kids etc - heights all vary down to 5f 4in - they are happy etc height don't matter in the long term - i remember when i wad 16 and a girl asked me to walk her home height didn't enter.my head nor hers - as we get older, we can develop or be predisposed to such neuroses etc in general i mean - after i got the surgery at 39, i returned home and soon slept with a 19 y old, possibly height helped but cannot be sure as i am handsome! - longer, deeper relationships will find u out etc height not so relevant..
Yeah you could say that. Looks always beats height but this varies to an extent. Below 5ft4 it gets sort of awkwardly short but a 5ft6 man wearing lifts appears average.
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but u can't wear lifts in a long term r'ship man!! - this is the obession we have - the issue ain't height man!! >:(
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but u can't wear lifts in a long term r'ship man!! - this is the obession we have - the issue ain't height man!! >:(
Well when we gain what we can at least we will be at peace that we tried our very best and the extreme so we cannot really complain anymore.
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possibly - but then the patient wants to do femurs!!! - it never ends and the mental cost is high!!
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possibly - but then the patient wants to do femurs!!! - it never ends and the mental cost is high!!
Ends for me. Even at 5cm now I feel like Im at that 80 percent confidence with my height. Just going to get 2 or 3 more and Im good.
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good for you - but maybe check in in a few months!!??
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good for you - but maybe check in in a few months!!??
I plan to until my bones fully heal. After that the forum will be in my past and remain that way.
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that's great - unless there's another lockdown!! - are u feeling more confident??
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u do not know anything... u have not done LL
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i do not know anything... i have not done LL....
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a few seem to have caught on to u!! :)
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a few seem to have caught on to u!! :)
🥰♥️♥️
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v good - check my posts to see further info
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v good - check my posts to see further info
Mocking u
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might be better to just try to help those re l l - mocking anonymously u may lose further credibility!! :)
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before i did surgery i didn't even post on this site and just went to russia and did it - because i wanted it more than anything else - this is the mindset u need - gets tiring people posting and then backing out etc :-\
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You planning on doing Femurs or nah
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i should have done - i don't mind externals and i loved russia - but i am older now etc - was a shame i didn't do it when younger, i played f'ball at a good level and at the time wanted to keep playin - lookin back wished i had stayed fof femurs!! - i think may have helped mentally - glad we are friends now!!
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I mean it's not too late. You live only once anyways
What's that user, California2 or something, did LL at like 60
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there was someone in russia at 44 too so perhaps i will...
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And StrydeNailChallenge is like 49 and through hard work he have the best recovery on this whole forum and world record
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yes anyone at any age etc
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And StrydeNailChallenge is like 49 and through hard work he have the best recovery on this whole forum and world record
Thing I noticed in the last 2 months is that LL is very individual. Recovery time frames are all over the place. One could take 6 months and the other could take a year.
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Thing I noticed in the last 2 months is that LL is very individual. Recovery time frames are all over the place. One could take 6 months and the other could take a year.
Some do never recover...
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it varies - don't think someone never recovers - who?
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it varies - don't think someone never recovers - who?
Assuming everything goes well, everyone eventually recovers
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Some do never recover...
Not talking about that unlucky odd few that get butchered or become extremely unlucky with choosing their doctor.
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but who? - u can't be unlucky with your doctor or get butchered - u don't hear the truth of what goes on ie patient not following instructions etc - i saw one lad refuse to get up and walk etc - this scaremongering simply does not help...
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but who? - u can't be unlucky with your doctor or get butchered - u don't hear the truth of what goes on ie patient not following instructions etc - i saw one lad refuse to get up and walk etc - this scaremongering simply does not help...
fair enough
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u have done ll so we should try to help etc the musinformation is nonsense - most patients were arguing with the doctor, 2 patients lengthened 11cm on tibias, the doctor took away their device so they went to hardware store and bought a spanner to continue lengthening!! - they then went back to barinov asking for his help! he still tried to help them...some patients are bat- crazy!!
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u have done ll so we should try to help etc the musinformation is nonsense - most patients were arguing with the doctor, 2 patients lengthened 11cm on tibias, the doctor took away their device so they went to hardware store and bought a spanner to continue lengthening!! - they then went back to barinov asking for his help! he still tried to help them...some patients are bat- crazy!!
Yeah, they do crap over on their doctors reputation.
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yes indeed and then this forum supports them, that's why doctors stay well clear - all patients were fine and i am talking over the last few years, no cases of negligence etc - pure bull ...
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yes indeed and then this forum supports them, that's why doctors stay well clear - all patients were fine and i am talking over the last few years, no cases of negligence etc - pure bull ...
There are obviously doctors out there but many of the problems are the fault of the patient.
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Could not be further from the truth. Women's initial standards are high but once they actually get to know the guy they come down to earth. Only tossers and shallow women make a decision on a partner based only on appearance, and you do not need to be a millionaire or famous either. Tinder and some phoney one night stands are another story though. I am confident and charismatic so I could be standing next to a guy who is 6ft3 but I would be the taller one. Men and women can just tell the energy of a confident man and that is what wins. Period.
I don't know your current height. But if you are less than 5.7-8 no matter how confident you (think you) are, almost no good looking woman would care except you are rich, famous or knows you for many years and maybe she likes your character.
I have a lot of confidence right now and a good look and a decent height after LL. But still being more than 5.11 would have helped me even more.with women, even though I am in a completely different world compared to my preLL height.
So either if you can accept it or not, height is the most important factor in a man's appearance although if you have only that of course it won't help you much. But even if you have anything else, a short height will be a big obstacle with women especially.
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I don't know your current height. But if you are less than 5.7-8 no matter how confident you (think you) are, almost no good looking woman would care except you are rich, famous or knows you for many years and maybe she likes your character.
I have a lot of confidence right now and a good look and a decent height after LL. But still being more than 5.11 would have helped me even more.with women, even though I am in a completely different world compared to my preLL height.
So either if you can accept it or not, height is the most important factor in a man's appearance although if you have only that of course it won't help you much. But even if you have anything else, a short height will be a big obstacle with women especially.
Looks counts but not as much everyone on this forum makes it out to be.
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Looks counts but not as much everyone on this forum makes it out to be.
Looks are the most important factor in terms of sexual attraction.
Money and success are the most important factors for mating and creating family.
But only a small mimority have plenty of money and success and thats why men focus on things that can improve easier and the most important is appearance except from one trait which is very important and can't change, height.
You can build a very good body, you can improve.your style a lot but you can't have a good height without LL if you don't have it already. Thats why people here focus so much on that, because it is the only thing they can't change but still women care about it more than anything other which is insane but true.
So a good appearance together with financial stability is what women want from men most of the times.
If you don't have one of them things get harder but if you don't have neither, then you are almost doomed.
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One of my friends who is around 5 ft 7 married 5ft 6 girl, she attractive, but his family is rich.
All girls I date with were attractive, two of them are 162 cm,one 5 ft 7, and the other one 5 ft 10.
So I think being short and have a pretty girl besides you is very easy.
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Looks are the most important factor in terms of sxxual attraction.
Money and success are the most important factors for mating and creating family.
But only a small mimority have plenty of money and success and thats why men focus on things that can improve easier and the most important is appearance except from one trait which is very important and can't change, height.
You can build a very good body, you can improve.your style a lot but you can't have a good height without LL if you don't have it already. Thats why people here focus so much on that, because it is the only thing they can't change but still women care about it more than anything other which is insane but true.
So a good appearance together with financial stability is what women want from men most of the times.
If you don't have one of them things get harder but if you don't have neither, then you are almost doomed.
Perfectly said.
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One of my friends who is around 5 ft 7 married 5ft 6 girl, she attractive, but his family is rich.
All girls I date with were attractive, two of them are 162 cm,one 5 ft 7, and the other one 5 ft 10.
So I think being short and have a pretty girl besides you is very easy.
It is very individual to be frank. I was 164cm and my past two girlfriends were 169cm and 170cm but I really excelled in everything I did and I am attractive so maybe that was the reason for them ignoring my height who knows. What I do find funny is that the taller girls care less about the height than shorter ones, just from my personal experience.
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Luck is the biggest factor folks. Height does help but still, if your luck is fked up then you'll struggle even after being tall and handsome.
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If her age is on the clock shes ready for the ck
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funny, people on this site thinking they're experts on how to pull women - give me strength!! :D
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funny, people on this site thinking they're experts on how to pull women - give me strength!! :D
Lol. People on here have so many complexes. Its not even funny
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Lol. People on here have so many complexes. Its not even funny
Why are you on the forum? You are either insecure or a Leg lengthener "lol"
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Why are you on the forum? You are either insecure or a Leg lengthener "lol"
Im here to mock people for my amusement
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Im here to mock people for my amusement
So you are a truly retard.
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I am here to gather information and read diaries abt limb lengthening😁
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Firstly, you need to as confident as you can. this LL thing is can make you more confident but not gonna change sth big. you'll be as same as before. I've been consulting patients since 2018 for LL surgeries, i still keep in touch with many of my patients. none of their lives has changed that much.
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The most important physical characteristic for men besides face is actually shoulder to waste ratio followed by height.
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It is very individual to be frank. I was 164cm and my past two girlfriends were 169cm and 170cm but I really excelled in everything I did and I am attractive so maybe that was the reason for them ignoring my height who knows. What I do find funny is that the taller girls care less about the height than shorter ones, just from my personal experience.
Is it that taller girls want bf taller than them by 10cm or so,which means you must be 180-185cm tall?But I found another important thing about genes is that taller females are usually playing more important roles in giving birth to tall offsprings besides boys and girls,especially boys.So my plan is to earn enough money then work on myself by LL and finally fk a tall female model with normal appearance(Of course better with good appearance).In such case I can modify my bad genes.
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Looks are the most important factor in terms of sxxual attraction.
Money and success are the most important factors for mating and creating family.
But only a small mimority have plenty of money and success and thats why men focus on things that can improve easier and the most important is appearance except from one trait which is very important and can't change, height.
You can build a very good body, you can improve.your style a lot but you can't have a good height without LL if you don't have it already. Thats why people here focus so much on that, because it is the only thing they can't change but still women care about it more than anything other which is insane but true.
So a good appearance together with financial stability is what women want from men most of the times.
If you don't have one of them things get harder but if you don't have neither, then you are almost doomed.
Mating and creating family are based on s**ual attraction.In addition,men with good looks can earn plenty of money,too.So it's bad for short men to have to earn far more money than good-looking men but still can't win them over dating a girl.
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Mating and creating family are based on s**ual attraction.In addition,men with good looks can earn plenty of money,too.So it's bad for short men to have to earn far more money than good-looking men but still can't win them over dating a girl.
You will see all kinds of people in life. Also, do not forget that in many countries the height preferences women have are completely different to countries like the US. Height is height, and just that, nothing else.
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You will see all kinds of people in life. Also, do not forget that in many countries the height preferences women have are completely different to countries like the US. Height is height, and just that, nothing else.
Which country is that man? Hopefully, it is on earth :)
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Which country is that man? Hopefully, it is on earth :)
My previous girlfriend was Russian and she was 171cm. Honestly she never seemed to have cared and when we did speak about the topic of height, she told me that my proportions and facial features were more important. By proportions I mean like a decently toned body. I do not want to give away my nationality as it is a small country and someone could figure out who I am, what I can say is that it is very similar to Russia. Then again someone could have a completely different experience but this is from my own.
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Threads like these are why people compare this forum to incel forums. Yes there are women who care a lot about height (he has to be 6’0+ etc.) but you guys make these generalizations that no women will ever be able to love or be attracted to a guy because he’s short. This is literally just entirely false. I will admit that being taller would probably make it easier to get girls, but it’s far from impossible. My girlfriend is 4’11, and says she used to have a thing with a guy who was 5’2. For a good amount of girls I would say, they only really care that the guy isn’t shorter than them. There’s also a number of tall girls that actually find confident men who are shorter than them really attractive actually.
The guy at my high school who had the best track record of getting with the most hot girls at my high school back in the day was literally 5’3. Sure, you could tell he was insecure about his height, and I think it was part of the reason why he was kind of a dck, but he didn’t treat it as a limitation. He was funny and charismatic and I guess girls found his energy attractive. what’s more unattractive to a lot of women about short guys heights isn’t always their actual height, it’s the inferiority complexes they build up around their heights more often than you think
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Threads like these are why people compare this forum to incel forums. Yes there are women who care a lot about height (he has to be 6’0+ etc.) but you guys make these generalizations that no women will ever be able to love or be attracted to a guy because he’s short. This is literally just entirely false. I will admit that being taller would probably make it easier to get girls, but it’s far from impossible. My girlfriend is 4’11, and says she used to have a thing with a guy who was 5’2. For a good amount of girls I would say, they only really care that the guy isn’t shorter than them. There’s also a number of tall girls that actually find confident men who are shorter than them really attractive actually.
The guy at my high school who had the best track record of getting with the most hot girls at my high school back in the day was literally 5’3. Sure, you could tell he was insecure about his height, and I think it was part of the reason why he was kind of a dck, but he didn’t treat it as a limitation. He was funny and charismatic and I guess girls found his energy attractive. what’s more unattractive to a lot of women about short guys heights isn’t always their actual height, it’s the inferiority complexes they build up around their heights more often than you think
Thats because they are mostly incel. I never come across these girls who reject men because of their height anyway, I think it is mostly because they are basing their facts around incel threads online or tinder and I base them off the actual real world.
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Yeah you could say that. Looks always beats height but this varies to an extent. Below 5ft4 it gets sort of awkwardly short but a 5ft6 man wearing lifts appears average.
Not always, I remember seeing a video where a guy went around asking girls if they would prefer a tall average guy or a short good looking guy, and almost all of them picked the tall guy.
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Mating and creating family are based on s**ual attraction.In addition,men with good looks can earn plenty of money,too.So it's bad for short men to have to earn far more money than good-looking men but still can't win them over dating a girl.
I agree that it is bad that short men need more money to have a woman. The same happens with all unattractive traits like bad face, baldness, obesity etc, not only height.
On the other hand, no, an attractive man can't make more money from his appearance except he becomes a modes or a stripper or something like that.
Otherwise, the most rich men I know are not good looking. Even the most rich men in the world are ugly (Bezos, Zuckenberg), old etc.
So no, being tall and good looking is a way of having many women but not to become rich.
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The tall man would more likely get the promotion and make a few thousand more a year than an equally competent short man though.
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Justin Bieber is 5’9 and got hailey Bieber sooo
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First of all 5'9 is not short and secondly he is justin bieber..money and fame comes to play there bro..get it....and also justin ain't a ugly guy by any means he is just lanky tht's all..a lot of woman like lanky guys..so is hailey😅
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I agree that it is bad that short men need more money to have a woman. The same happens with all unattractive traits like bad face, baldness, obesity etc, not only height.
On the other hand, no, an attractive man can't make more money from his appearance except he becomes a modes or a stripper or something like that.
Otherwise, the most rich men I know are not good looking. Even the most rich men in the world are ugly (Bezos, Zuckenberg), old etc.
So no, being tall and good looking is a way of having many women but not to become rich.
I agree with Bodybuilder..The relation between money and looks is shrinking in the modern world unless you are in media/entertainment,NBA,NFL etc..Tall folks getting promotion is also moot because I know first hand several short people who are promoted and are doing quite well..The reason that tall people are more likely to become CEOs (from Malcolm Gladwell's Blink) is because of confidence they get by getting into sports in high school,more acceptance from girls etc..But you can derive confidence from other things such as intelligence, debating skills, originality etc...So there is NO excuse for not making money..Regarding women, I have a different view..For hook ups, the taller , better looking guy has a significant advantage..For serious relationships, the taller folks still have an advantage but not so much..Beyond all this and needless to say, I would like to stress that luck plays a very important role in marriage or a serious relationship..
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Well said both BB and realistic....anways planning into serious relationship with a taller woman..wht r ur thoughts on this btw i am 5'7-5'8.
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Well said both BB and realistic....anways planning into serious relationship with a taller woman..wht r ur thoughts on this btw i am 5'7-5'8.
Not easy, most women want taller men than them.
But if your looks are good, your height is not a big obstacle to find a taller woman as you are not short but average.
I have a very good looking 5.8 friend who had many gorgeous gfs in his life, some of them taller than him.
@mdow, that is simply not true. A normal height and looking man can have the same opportunities of a tall or model looking man if he has skills.
Style (clothes, grooming) is more important in that cases than physical appearance.
Most ceos and really rich men most of the times are at max normal looking or even ugly, still millionaires. And many of them are not tall or anything.
So yes, if you are very short then you are going to face social stigma even in your work and that means less opportunities to have money.
But a normal looking man with an appropriate style, intelligent with skills even at 5.6 have nothing to fear compared to an 6.2 man with about the same skills.
My personal experience says exactly that as in the company I work most of the heads or managers are bad or average looking and most of them are less than 5.11 (some of them are not more than 5.6) although there are plenty more good looking and tall men in the company but in lower positions.
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Regarding women, I have a different view..For hook ups, the taller , better looking guy has a significant advantage..For serious relationships, the taller folks still have an advantage but not so much..Beyond all this and needless to say, I would like to stress that luck plays a very important role in marriage or a serious relationship..
The moment you start differentiating hookups and serious relationships is when this topic gets interesting. The women who want to have casual relationships and hook ups tend be more younger and more attractive. The ones that want to be in a serious relationship leading to marriage tend to be older and care less about looks. Naturally, the type of man that fills each role is going to be different.
Would you rather be:
A) The guy that a woman in her 20s is passionate about and earnestly attracted to.
B) The guy that a woman in her 30s is settling for because her biological clock is ticking.
I would be willing the bet that the average height of group A is more than the average height of group B. However, that doesn't mean there aren't short guys in group A and tall guys in group B. Relationships are complex and no simple model can predict the success of an individual.
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Tall folks getting promotion is also moot because I know first hand several short people who are promoted and are doing quite well.
Knowing a few exceptions doesn't mean something isn't true the majority of the time. Tall men get more respect.
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Knowing a few exceptions doesn't mean something isn't true the majority of the time. Tall men get more respect.
The bias for taller person being more capable or commanding more respect is always there.Same with women or minority groups in certain parts of the world..All I am saying is that the exceptions are not few but many.In dating/hookups etc, the number of exceptions are puny
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Yes i do check most of the boxes..except being tall....but r8 now in my nearest future the only thing i will be working on is completing my education and building my body..ig this two will boost my confidence a lot....btw i had no problems with two of my past gf's they were 5'5 and 5'6....just looking forward for a even taller one😅
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Yes i do check most of the boxes..except being tall....but r8 now in my nearest future the only thing i will be working on is completing my education and building my body..ig this two will boost my confidence a lot....btw i had no problems with two of my past gf's they were 5'5 and 5'6....just looking forward for a even taller one😅
Awesome ...Good luck with that :)
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Justin Bieber is 5’9 and got hailey Bieber sooo
Since when is 5'9 short? You also made it sound like he's ugly or something.
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damn. this incel forum need to be shut down 8) this is worse than reddit
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Since when is 5'9 short? You also made it sound like he's ugly or something.
Justin Beiber is 5'9 the same way Tom Cruise is 5'9. ;D
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Knowing a few exceptions doesn't mean something isn't true the majority of the time. Tall men get more respect.
You could say that tall men get more respect than short men but average and tall men are treated more or less the same. As long as you do not resemble a child you are good to go.
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Justin Beiber is 5'9 the same way Tom Cruise is 5'9. ;D
:D
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fk it..tall man short man avg. man the only thing whn it comes to getting chicks is intimidation and being taller helps with that a lot..like the part where godzilla tries to intimidate ghidora with his epic roar and ghidora does the same but instead of his scrawny snaky roar😅 he does that by standing way taller then godzilla and putting his huge wingspan on display..godzilla is like a short heavy stud on steroids and ghidora is like a lanky scrawny tall kid😁....btw i once saw an interview with snopp dog and justin bieber and was surprised to see justing sit next to snopp and being same height or sometimes taller thn snopp😅..even though snopp is 6'4 and justin is 5'9.
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if u dont feel like a man u can still become a tranny. just take hormones 8)
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fk it..tall man short man avg. man the only thing whn it comes to getting chicks is intimidation and being taller helps with that a lot..like the part where godzilla tries to intimidate ghidora with his epic roar and ghidora does the same but instead of his scrawny snaky roar😅 he does that by standing way taller then godzilla and putting his huge wingspan on display..godzilla is like a short heavy stud on steroids and ghidora is like a lanky scrawny tall kid😁....btw i once saw an interview with snopp dog and justin bieber and was surprised to see justing sit next to snopp and being same height or sometimes taller thn snopp😅..even though snopp is 6'4 and justin is 5'9.
Thinking way too much into it mate.
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if u dont feel like a man u can still become a tranny. just take hormones 8)
Too late. Gotta start at like age 10 to be passable. :'(
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Too late. Gotta start at like age 10 to be passable. :'(
u r 177 and still don't feel like a man🤔hmm interesting.Thinking way too much into it mate.
😆as always.
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Justin Bieber is 5’9 and got hailey Bieber sooo
People here act like height is the end-all when it comes to dating, but it's just one factor. Good looks, confidence, and money are also very important.
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Justin Beiber is 5'9 the same way Tom Cruise is 5'9. ;D
There are a lot of pictures of him standing next to people that are 5'7 and 5'8, and he's visibly taller than them. His wife is 5'7 there are pictures of the two standing in their socks so no chance of him wearing lifts, and he is clearly taller than her.
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There are a lot of pictures of him standing next to people that are 5'7 and 5'8, and he's visibly taller than them. His wife is 5'7 there are pictures of the two standing in their socks so no chance of him wearing lifts, and he is clearly taller than her.
The funny thing is Bieber and Cruise are the two most visited pages on a certain popular celebrity height website.
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If you are at least average height with and average looking you should be good to go.
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Could not be further from the truth. Women's initial standards are high but once they actually get to know the guy they come down to earth. Only tossers and shallow women make a decision on a partner based only on appearance, and you do not need to be a millionaire or famous either. Tinder and some phoney one night stands are another story though. I am confident and charismatic so I could be standing next to a guy who is 6ft3 but I would be the taller one. Men and women can just tell the energy of a confident man and that is what wins. Period.
Alpha fux, Beta bux
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Yeah you could say that. Looks always beats height but this varies to an extent. Below 5ft4 it gets sort of awkwardly short but a 5ft6 man wearing lifts appears average.
it also depends on where you live... in certain (Northern) European cities median height is 6'1"...
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What I do find funny is that the taller girls care less about the height than shorter ones, just from my personal experience.
My experience, too!
The really short women are the most extreme height Nazis you can imagine...
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Is it that taller girls want bf taller than them by 10cm or so,which means you must be 180-185cm tall?But I found another important thing about genes is that taller females are usually playing more important roles in giving birth to tall offsprings besides boys and girls,especially boys.So my plan is to earn enough money then work on myself by LL and finally fk a tall female model with normal appearance(Of course better with good appearance).In such case I can modify my bad genes.
Tall attractive women date rich football stars, not some generic AsianCels...
https://time.com/3302251/9-ugly-truths-big-data-ok-cupid-book/
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2018/11/when-asians-say-theyre-not-into-asian-men
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Which country is that man? Hopefully, it is on earth :)
Tau Ceti III
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Threads like these are why people compare this forum to incel forums. Yes there are women who care a lot about height (he has to be 6’0+ etc.) but you guys make these generalizations that no women will ever be able to love or be attracted to a guy because he’s short. I will admit that being taller would probably make it easier to get girls, but it’s far from impossible.
My girlfriend is 4’11, and says she used to have a thing with a guy who was 5’2. For a good amount of girls I would say, they only really care that the guy isn’t shorter than them. There’s also a number of tall girls that actually find confident men who are shorter than them really attractive actually.
The guy at my high school who had the best track record of getting with the most hot girls at my high school back in the day was literally 5’3. Sure, you could tell he was insecure about his height, and I think it was part of the reason why he was kind of a dck, but he didn’t treat it as a limitation. He was funny and charismatic and I guess girls found his energy attractive. what’s more unattractive to a lot of women about short guys heights isn’t always their actual height, it’s the inferiority complexes they build up around their heights more often than you think
Of course short men can get women, but in most instances those women are not what these short men have envisioned (meaning: fat women, crazy BPD women, nagging women, unattractive women, trailer-park women. In Germany we have a dotty art figure illustrating it: Cindy aus Marzahn)
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But you can derive confidence from other things such as intelligence, debating skills, originality etc...
like Urkel?
For hook ups, the taller , better looking guy has a significant advantage..For serious relationships, the taller folks still have an advantage but not so much...
Sounds like AF BB ...
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My neighbor is around 5'2 or 5'3. His first wife was very pretty. I am not sure why they divorced, but it had nothing to do with his height. His second wife is absolutely gorgeous. She is a little bit taller than him. It probably helps that he has money, but both wives didn't strike me as golddiggers. My first husband was 6 feet tall, my second husband is only5'6. I would choose him even if he would be shorter than me.
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Even women who don't seem like obvious gold diggers care a lot about money.
If that guy were poor, forget about it.
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I can tell you from experience that the possibility increases with your income.
Having said that, the height neurosis stays on the same level.
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damn the incel is strong with this one. afaik posts like that should be deleted 8)
this is LL forum, not a mental institution
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You can also get a beautiful girlfriend when you are short. My friend for instance is 1,72 and has found one recently. I think if you are short you must have different features to make yourself attractive like facial features, dense hair, nice eyes or simply an attractive character.
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Of course short men can get women, but in most instances those women are not what these short men have envisioned (meaning: fat women, crazy BPD women, nagging women, unattractive women, trailer-park women. In Germany we have a dotty art figure illustrating it: Cindy aus Marzahn)
Loool :-)
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Of course short men can get women, but in most instances those women are not what these short men have envisioned (meaning: fat women, crazy BPD women, nagging women, unattractive women, trailer-park women. In Germany we have a dotty art figure illustrating it: Cindy aus Marzahn)
LMFAOOOO 😂😂
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Sieht so aus, als ob ein paar Leute aus D hier wären. Seems like some people from Germany are here :)
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Yes, but it will depend on your face, body, hair, etc. If you have a good-looking face, a good body, and good hair, then you can pull an attractive woman with ease at 5'6 in most parts of the West. You will be at a moderate disadvantage, of course, compared to average height and tall men of similar caliber, but it's certainly not impossible or unreasonable.
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I was 1.68 when I started dating my girlfriend and she is a hot russian model. She was taller than me thought, so she did make a lot of jokes (not in a bad way, but still). I.m 172-173 now and I and getting like 6 cm on femurs this summer, she is coming with me to help.
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Even women who don't seem like obvious gold diggers care a lot about money.
If that guy were poor, forget about it.
I fail to see how women care about money for one night stands.
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Yes, but it will depend on your face, body, hair, etc. If you have a good-looking face, a good body, and good hair, then you can pull an attractive woman with ease at 5'6 in most parts of the West. You will be at a moderate disadvantage, of course, compared to average height and tall men of similar caliber, but it's certainly not impossible or unreasonable.
No, at 5.6 you won't have easily good looking women even if you have the appearance you mentioned.
If you have a lot of money and what you mentioned then yes.you can, otherwise you could still find a good looking gf but not at ease and not frequently.
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I fail to see how women care about money for one night stands.
He talked about women married to someone and not one night stands.
And yes, in marriage, money play a huge role, especially with good looking women eho have plenty of choices.
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He talked about women married to someone and not one night stands.
And yes, in marriage, money play a huge role, especially with good looking women eho have plenty of choices.
Then I fail to see why you are so concerned about marriage.