Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: PerfectBody on April 28, 2021, 09:46:11 PM
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Hi all!
A little bit about me: 30 year old US Male, 5'7" (a hair over 170cm to be exact). Athletic, works out x5 a week, etc. Very tired of being short as hell. Where I live and work the majority of the men are at least 5'11. I am hoping this experience will at least set me to 177-178cm. My ticket is booked for May 14th, will be arriving on the 15th. Will spend about three weeks in Istanbul to recover and begin rehab, I aim to finish lengthening at home and returning to Turkey early August to pull off the exteriors.
I have a high pain tolerance and am used to hospitalization (broken arm when I was young, came down with a lot of sicknesses) so I don't anticipate this being super scary. A little pain is ok.
My surgeon will be Dr Halil Buldu. Does anybody have any personal experience with him?
If anything I'm more excited to start this started. I will update this on arrival, and subsequently.
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Hi five foot
Congrats on making the decision.
I have spoke with a previous patient and they have positive feedback with regards to his skill.
What made you decide to go with LON Femur in the end?
All the best.
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Thanks Stretch. So there are two things I've noticed:
1. My wingspan is well over 5'9"
2. My tibia is way longer than my femur.
Both of these lead my to conclude that my femur is disproportionately short. I've also had somebody tell me that when we were nked. Of course, femurs also give us 1-2 inches over tibia lengthening, so I'm going to shoot for the moon.
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Update.
Flight is on Wednesday, May 12th. Surgery is on Friday, May 15th (if everything goes accordingly).
I have packed multiple types of proteins for muscle recovery (casein, whey), stretching equipment, work stuff, etc for the lengthening and recovery phases. During the day I am extremely excited. At night I get very strong pangs of doubt - I begin to question my motivation and if this is right for me. The doubt was super hard to sit with the first few nights after I bought the ticket, but I remember my present experience and how much I dislike my circumstance. My life's good - pretty great actually! But my height sets me back sooooo much in my interpersonal interactions and development with other people. It sucks living like a ghost, or worse, somebody nobody wants to have around.
Why Buldu? I've followed his practice very closely via social media - from the hospital he chose to the aftercare. Everything looks very professionally done and well operated (no pun intended). It looks like he has a great team, and I really really like the community of patients he's made in recovery. There's always like 10-20 patients hanging out and chilling, all supporting one another. That's what I need more than anything during this - a support network. I look forward to spending time with these guys.
Anyways, I'll update once I've spoken to the man himself. I have a ton of questions for Dr Halil Buldu on his practice, as well as surgery theory and recovery. I'll document the responses after our meeting.
Cheers all.
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good luck :D
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good luck :D
Thanks man! ;D
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Good luck PerfectBody! I'm sure it'll go smoothly. Excited for you!
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Good luck, wish you all the best!
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4 days until surgery! How are you feeling?
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Good luck, wish you all the best!
Good luck PerfectBody! I'm sure it'll go smoothly. Excited for you!
Thank you both!! :D
4 days until surgery! How are you feeling?
Hey man thanks for asking! In general, so excited! Not going to lie though, during the day I feel great about it but at night my mood swings to worried+concerned ("why am I doing this/am I REALLY doing this??"). The worry is always remedied when I go outside or look at myself in the mirror. I don't want to keep living like this, so I'm ready to do everything it takes for those 2-3 inches. So yeah, 90% ready and excited, 10% worried. No looking back now baby
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Thank you both!! :D
Hey man thanks for asking! In general, so excited! Not going to lie though, during the day I feel great about it but at night my mood swings to worried+concerned ("why am I doing this/am I REALLY doing this??"). The worry is always remedied when I go outside or look at myside in the mirror. I don't want to keep living like this, so I'm ready to do everything it takes for those 2-3 inches. So yeah, 90% ready and excited, 10% worried. No looking back now baby
Good to know! Keep it up, I'm sure you will be fine after all! It's really normal to be worried, but you got this! Hoping to see you walking as a giant soon! i can imagine how anxious you are hahahaha
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Happy for you man! I'm planning to go next month. Are you having Precice or the external monorail fixator?
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I’m on the plane now. Scared, restless. I spent the last few days with my ex. She doesn’t know about it. Nobody does.
My ex and I are on strange terms. I wonder if things would be different if I were a few inches taller. I guess we’ll find out soon.
This is such a fking crazy surgery. I might do 6-7cm, and not push it past that. I want to heal as safely as possible, and return to my runs and weight lifting sessions.
My mind is racing, but my heart is set on this procedure. I need the reset, almost like my life depends on it.
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Best of luck!!
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You got this!
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Fermur LON clearly stated haha my bad for asking. Good luck with the surgery and do update!
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Goodluck my man!
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Met the doctor, asked questions, in my pre-op hotel room. Im enjoying it so far. Very comfortable with the situation.
I forgot a converter 🤪 so I’m on my phone until Monday (religious holiday prevents non essential business from opening). Man, I’m not a fan of religions. I’ll post everything in more details when I get computer access. I brought three laptops and not a single converter. I deserve forum award for dumbest bastrd.
My surgery is tomorrow at 9am. It’s 3:10pm right now. Cheers
Edit: I always measured myself at 170-171cm. The doctor measured me at 173.8cm 🤔 huh
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Like a USA to European power adapter for charge your MacBook?
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Met the doctor, asked questions, in my pre-op hotel room. Im enjoying it so far. Very comfortable with the situation.
I forgot a converter 🤪 so I’m on my phone until Monday (religious holiday prevents non essential business from opening). Man, I’m not a fan of religions. I’ll post everything in more details when I get computer access. I brought three laptops and not a single converter. I deserve forum award for dumbest bastrd.
My surgery is tomorrow at 9am. It’s 3:10pm right now. Cheers
Edit: I always measured myself at 170-171cm. The doctor measured me at 173.8cm 🤔 huh
It’s not necessarily the religion, it’s because EID holiday people usually parade/party so the government shut down the city from the 3rd to the 17th so their isn’t a corona surge
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Edit: I always measured myself at 170-171cm. The doctor measured me at 173.8cm 🤔 huh
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Good news as you can reach your LL goal earlier!
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Edit: I always measured myself at 170-171cm. The doctor measured me at 173.8cm 🤔 huh
Good news as you can reach your LL goal earlier!
Or he could be near 6 foot!
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Edit: I always measured myself at 170-171cm. The doctor measured me at 173.8cm 🤔 huh
Good news as you can reach your LL goal earlier!
Haha hell nooo 😂 I’m doing +7-8cm no matter what. Numbers don’t matter; it’s about how tall you look compared to others
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Numbers don’t matter
I’m doing +7-8cm no matter what
oxymoron much ;D ;D ;D
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😂😂
Yeah yeah you got me. It’s all about perception
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Here’s the money shot
https://imgur.com/a/0iYNZgF
Yeah I’m not as short as I thought - my huge fking forehead gives me those extra CMs 😭
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Surgery day. Wow, this is terrifying in the lightest of sense. Everybody who said this and the subsequent days would be mentally taxing were 100% correct. This is not an easy step.
This is where all of your doubts and fears start pouring out. I’m 100% sure I will be in even worse shape after the surgery.
My legs look bizarre shaven.
Can’t believe I’m going through with this.
See you all on the other side
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🙏🏻
💪🏻
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Good luck bro!!
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Holy sh1t, the first 1-2 hours after surgery is BRUTAL. Shivering, full body pain, etc. the shivering ends after 30 minutes, or so it feels.
I’m chilling now, I think there’s enough narcotics in my bloodstream to kill an elephant but at least I don’t feel like I got fukced in the butt by an elephant. Eating is hard, I’m sweating just trying to eat the hospital food. Pretty ok for hospital food by the way! I’ve definitely had worse.
My mental state is way better. I feel comfortable playing around with the hospital staff and chatting.
The hardest part is over I feel. Now I rest and try to scratch my nuts 🤪
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Morning 1!
Sleep wasn’t bad at all, I pleaded for painkillers and the nursing staff kindly complied. Sleep wasn’t great because I had been napping the whole day after surgery, oops. Lifting my leg is impossible. I can wiggle my feet and lift my body up by arm, but not comfortably. The monorail is quite heavy on my side, having broken legs also be hindering my ability to lift them 😅
The hospital is very nice, truly a world class institute. Beats a lot of US hospitals tbh.
I do still feel foolish for doing this. I know I won’t regret it when this is all over but gosh, was it worth it? I don’t know. I’m still feeling a little defeated. If you do this procedure, please bring somebody with you. The isolation is not pleasant
Thanks for the well wishes everybody. Please feel free to ask questions, I’m happy to answer anything and everything
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A wall adapter. For the outlet. Sorry I misspoke 🥸
Like a USA to European power adapter for charge your MacBook?
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It’s not necessarily the religion, it’s because EID holiday people usually parade/party so the government shut down the city from the 3rd to the 17th so their isn’t a corona surge
I see, that’s actually quite smart of them. However there are essential businesses still open, and none of them were allowed to sell me electronic goods 🤔 ah well, Not like I can use my laptop. Thanks for the clarification!!
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I see, that’s actually quite smart of them. However there are essential businesses still open, and none of them were allowed to sell me electronic goods 🤔 ah well, Not like I can use my laptop. Thanks for the clarification!!
If you wait until tomorrow everything should reopen, if you want to borrow mines you can for a while
Hang in there the hospital is pretty hard getting through but in a few days you’ll be out
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I stood up and got very dizzy. My face turned white, after a few minutes my vision got very very blurry.
Gonna try my baby steps again in 3 hours or so.
If you wait until tomorrow everything should reopen, if you want to borrow mines you can for a while
Hang in there the hospital is pretty hard getting through but in a few days you’ll be out
Thanks man! But no need, it’s not like I can do anything useful anyways. I really appreciate the kindness 😅 by the way how was your experience standing up?
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I stood up and got very dizzy. My face turned white, after a few minutes my vision got very very blurry.
Gonna try my baby steps again in 3 hours or so.
Thanks man! But no need, it’s not like I can do anything useful anyways. I really appreciate the kindness 😅 by the way how was your experience standing up?
Standing up with pain meds improved A lot today. It’s just getting up is the hard part. I need a person to help me stand up, but once I’m in that position I can hold it with the assistance of a walker for about 8 minutes I did today. Day but day you improve, walking helps blood circulation so it’s good for you to
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Standing up with pain meds improved A lot today. It’s just getting up is the hard part. I need a person to help me stand up, but once I’m in that position I can hold it with the assistance of a walker for about 8 minutes I did today. Day but day you improve, walking helps blood circulation so it’s good for you to
8 minutes standing up? Damn that’ must feel like forever. I don’t know how long I stood up for but it was enough to mess around and then to change the sheets. I tried to do a squat lmao but barely moved my waist.
Man this is not easy huh. Are you having any second thoughts? I feel like if I lengthen even 6cm I will be happy. No need to do anything risky or dangerous.
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8 minutes standing up? Damn that’ must feel like forever. I don’t know how long I stood up for but it was enough to mess around and then to change the sheets. I tried to do a squat lmao but barely moved my waist.
Man this is not easy huh. Are you having any second thoughts? I feel like if I lengthen even 6cm I will be happy. No need to do anything risky or dangerous.
With the help of a walker,
It’s really not I feel a lot better today but I’m still almost like an adult infant without the help of my wife or nurse I can’t even get up to get the walker.
Since you already have a decent starting you might be better off with 6-7, but if it’s not hard to go forward once you get there maybe you can safely push for a little more
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With the help of a walker,
It’s really not I feel a lot better today but I’m still almost like an adult infant without the help of my wife or nurse I can’t even get up to get the walker.
Since you already have a decent starting you might be better off with 6-7, but if it’s not hard to go forward once you get there maybe you can safely push for a little more
I’m really happy to hear you feel a lot better today. The past two days you seemed miserable! It gives me a little hope too. My emotions are all over the place right now concerning this LL business. It’s utterly crazy. But here we are.
Your wife’s here? How does she feel about the entire situation, and the surgery?
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I’m really happy to hear you feel a lot better today. The past two days you seemed miserable! It gives me a little hope too. My emotions are all over the place right now concerning this LL business. It’s utterly crazy. But here we are.
Your wife’s here? How does she feel about the entire situation, and the surgery?
I’m still a little depressed being in the hospital but each days seems to get better
She was totally against it however we are past that point now
I’m really hoping I can get discharged tomorrow I miss just being outside so much it’s crazy the little things we take for granted how important they really are
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I’m still a little depressed being in the hospital but each days seems to get better
She was totally against it however we are past that point now
I’m really hoping I can get discharged tomorrow I miss just being outside so much it’s crazy the little things we take for granted how important they really are
Hang in there! You’re wrong the hill for the worst of this experience. I guess I can relate; I’m bored out of my mind in here!!
Will you be going to BOF CEO?
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Hang in there! You’re wrong the hill for the worst of this experience. I guess I can relate; I’m bored out of my mind in here!!
Will you be going to BOF CEO?
I will be going to tzl suite and then an airbnb
Are you going to bof?
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I will be going to tzl suite and then an airbnb
Are you going to bof?
Yep, that’s where everybody is going it seems
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Yep, that’s where everybody is going it seems
How are you holding up
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How are you holding up
Hey man. Just did my first mini physical therapy. Walked around a little, it wasn’t bad at all this time. I mean it was miserable but I walked to the door and backwitjout fainting. I think that’s worth something. Sweaty as hell though
I’m also looking forward to my bowl movement tomorrow 😭my farts smell BAD. Knee bending is hard.
Right now I’m in pain/super sore from the walk but I guess this is ok for now. How are you? Looking forward to leaving the hospital?
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Hey man. Just did my first mini physical therapy. Walked around a little, it wasn’t bad at all this time. I mean it was miserable but I walked to the door and backwitjout fainting. I think that’s worth something. Sweaty as hell though
I’m also looking forward to my bowl movement tomorrow 😭my farts smell BAD. Knee bending is hard.
Right now I’m in pain/super sore from the walk but I guess this is ok for now. How are you? Looking forward to leaving the hospital?
Yeah no kidding my wife said my gas could kill an elephant, it’s normal from the anesthesia and means your going to have a bowel movement. Each day gets way better, today wasn’t really that bad and I’m exited to get released tomorrow. I think the first week is 80% of everything and after that it’s just patience
Hang in there man once you get discharged you’ll feel way better
I’ll try to visit you before I leave, pm or let me know your room number
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Monday - May 17th. 2nd day after surgery
Wow last night was a nightmare. I struggled to fall asleep as nerve pains kept me awake. I begged the nurses for pain meds but it did not help. I don’t have any stomach issues luckily but my legs feel like they’ve been ran over by a car. Holy crap the pain is real.
I need to hire a caretaker to help me move around and exercise. If you have any experience with this please reach out! Otherwise I’m contacting the team for help/suggestions.
This is so weird; the previous two nights were so easy in hindsight. Today feels like it’s going to be the hardest day
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Monday - May 17th. 2nd day after surgery
Wow last night was a nightmare. I struggled to fall asleep as nerve pains kept me awake. I begged the nurses for pain meds but it did not help. I don’t have any stomach issues luckily but my legs feel like they’ve been ran over by a car. Holy crap the pain is real.
I need to hire a caretaker to help me move around and exercise. If you have any experience with this please reach out! Otherwise I’m contacting the team for help/suggestions.
This is so weird; the previous two nights were so easy in hindsight. Today feels like it’s going to be the hardest day
Hang in there bud
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Tuesday - May 18th. 3rd day after surgery
Hi all. The pain substantially subsided yesterday after a nap around 1pm. I still had no control over my quads.
No sleep last night, maybe a total of 3-5 hours across bursts of eye closing moments.
This morning I have a little control over my quads. I can bend a little easier, and lift my legs after bending and keep them suspended for a little over 10 seconds. No pain, just soreness and strings. Feels like pulling on really hard rubber.
I will work nonstop today to achieve mobility to get off and on the bed. They seem keen on throwing me out of the hospital today but I am absolutely not ready to move out. I can’t support myself.
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But you’ve only been 3 days? They wouldn’t allow me to be released until 4th day
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Idk what’s going on. There seems to be new covid regulations on keeping non essential medical cases in Hospitals.
Can you correct me if I’m wrong?
Saturday - surgery - night 1
Sunday - night 2
Monday - night 3
Tuesday - night 4
Wednesday - tomorrow - night 5 - release.
That’s how it’s supposed to go... right?
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oxymoron much ;D ;D ;D
I think about this stupidity a lot more as the days go by. I’m going to settle for 5-6cms. Any more is reckless and endangering.
I’m going to be happy even with 3cm. Why risk my life and quality of life? Stupid.
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Hang in there bud
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Idk what’s going on. There seems to be new covid regulations on keeping non essential medical cases in Hospitals.
Can you correct me if I’m wrong?
Saturday - surgery - night 1
Sunday - night 2
Monday - night 3
Tuesday - night 4
Wednesday - tomorrow - night 5 - release.
That’s how it’s supposed to go... right?
It would be sat -> Sunday 1 Sunday -> Monday 2 Monday -> today 3
Tomorrow would be 4
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I think about this stupidity a lot more as the days go by. I’m going to settle for 5-6cms. Any more is reckless and endangering.
I’m going to be happy even with 3cm. Why risk my life and quality of life? Stupid.
Nah bro, you already suffered all that suffering and paid all that money. Might as well do like 6 minimum to be honest. Most people don’t notice a big difference until like 5cm anyways
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It would be sat -> Sunday 1 Sunday -> Monday 2 Monday -> today 3
Tomorrow would be 4
Thanks man. So it looks like they’re releasing me early after all. I dislike that. I want to be near emergency medical aid right now :/ Feels dirty
Nah bro, you already suffered all that suffering and paid all that money. Might as well do like 6 minimum to be honest. Most people don’t notice a big difference until like 5cm anyways
You’re right. I’m venting a little, I think I’ll do 6-6.5. Again, safety and returning to normalcy is my biggest concern right now. I miss my normal life so much man :/ We really don’t know what we have until we lose it. But of course once my mood and performance improves I might sneak in a few mm
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You get discharged yet? Should be or in a few hours yeah?
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Momentarily. Gonna get my catheter pulled out very soon 🤢
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Momentarily. Gonna get my catheter pulled out very soon 🤢
Yikes, I will forever remember what that feels like
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Hi man did you get discharged? Was the pulling out painful :-X?
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quick update:
The boredom is INSANE
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Friday - May 21. 6 days after surgery
Boredom and loneliness are the biggest hurdles now. Also getting on/off the bed, jesus christ it's so laborious. I can't bend my knees freely yet; they're still swollen like grapefruits. The swelling on my thighs have died down an itty bit, but they're still chunky. I can kind of see my quads, which is nice.
I'm thinking of doing 5.5-6cm now. Wow, just a few days ago I had 7-8 on my mind. The reason for this massive reduction in goal is safety and healing. Likelihoods for complications appear to dramatically increase with each cm past 6, a well as a much longer healing period. Personally, f*ck that. I am not sacrificing my quality of life just to be a little less than an inch taller. At 5'9"-5'10", I'll be perfectly content.
I've reached out to an external physical therapist in the company to assist me with PT. I'll be doing between 5-6 sessions/week moving forward.
This also heavily reduces my stay in this 5th world country - previous estimations for departure was early August, now it's early July (if everything goes smoothly). That's the dream lads.
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That sounds like a good idea!! Go for 6 cm, and there is no need for 7-8 cm. As you said, quality of life is essential.
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Not to mention~ your proportions will look better too with just 6cm
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Best wishes and good luck.
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Wishing you best of luck with the rest of the journey. I know it is incredibly tough in those first few weeks but rest assured it does get easier. Have you considered aiming for 7cm as a higher goal to aim for? I am almost at 6cm and my goal is 7cm and I will likely stop there. I think it is an achievable goal and gets you solid value out of doing this surgery.
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Friday - May 23. 8 days after surgery
Not going to be posting super frequently unless something major happens; i'm lengthening 4 times a day, 6am/pm, 12am/pm. No tightness, no pain. My right side stings a little, kinda cold. Otherwise nothing's really happening. I told my mother about what I'm doing, and she was supportive. I'm really happy about that.
Best wishes and good luck.
Not to mention~ your proportions will look better too with just 6cm
Thanks both!
Wishing you best of luck with the rest of the journey. I know it is incredibly tough in those first few weeks but rest assured it does get easier. Have you considered aiming for 7cm as a higher goal to aim for? I am almost at 6cm and my goal is 7cm and I will likely stop there. I think it is an achievable goal and gets you solid value out of doing this surgery.
Originally I wanted 7.5 (3 inches solid) but I whittled it down to 5.5-6cm because I don't want complications and I really want a smoother recovery. It probably won't be fast, but I anticipate less issues along the way. According to most users, every inch is a world of problems in the recovery. So f*ck that. I'll be very happy at 177-179.
There's no reason to get greedy here. But good luck on reaching 7cm bro. Who did you do your operation with?
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hey bro
i m followinf you diary and you are really helpful
but why you want to stop on 5 cm , there are a lot of people who had done 8 cm ore more ,,
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hey bro
i m followinf you diary and you are really helpful
but why you want to stop on 5 cm , there are a lot of people who had done 8 cm ore more ,,
It's in your best interest to not do this. Log off and paint or something pal
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Friday - May 23. 8 days after surgery
Not going to be posting super frequently unless something major happens; i'm lengthening 4 times a day, 6am/pm, 12am/pm. No tightness, no pain. My right side stings a little, kinda cold. Otherwise nothing's really happening. I told my mother about what I'm doing, and she was supportive. I'm really happy about that.
Thanks both!
Originally I wanted 7.5 (3 inches solid) but I whittled it down to 5.5-6cm because I don't want complications and I really want a smoother recovery. It probably won't be fast, but I anticipate less issues along the way. According to most users, every inch is a world of problems in the recovery. So f*ck that. I'll be very happy at 177-179.
There's no reason to get greedy here. But good luck on reaching 7cm bro. Who did you do your operation with?
Fair enough bro, hopefully you have a relatively smooth journey to 5.5/6cm. I had my surgery with Dr. Betz. Thanks bro!
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Fair enough bro, hopefully you have a relatively smooth journey to 5.5/6cm. I had my surgery with Dr. Betz. Thanks bro!
Congrats being on your last cm to your goal! How are you feeling about it? Also how’s the tightness? I am under the impression that the betzbone is a completely easier device to use than LON, and the average recovery isn’t terrible because you’re already walking.
Also how does it feel to already be 6cm taller?? That’s amazing man
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Congrats being on your last cm to your goal! How are you feeling about it? Also how’s the tightness? I am under the impression that the betzbone is a completely easier device to use than LON, and the average recovery isn’t terrible because you’re already walking.
Also how does it feel to already be 6cm taller?? That’s amazing man
Thanks man! Currently I feel ok. I definitely have tightness but as long as I stretch 3-4 times per day and stay on top of my PT it doesn’t bother me too much. I would say you guys doing LON probably have it harder just due to to the frames and being able to walk quicker so the recovery is probably a bit smoother but in the end I assume we would have similar recoveries.
It feels good man, I started noticing the gain at 5cm and now at 6cm it’s definitely noticeable especially when compared to people who I used to be the same height as like my gf. Keep going and you’ll be at 6cm in no time and feel free to ask any questions!
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Wednesday - May 26. 11 days after surgery. Gain: +4mm
The swelling is going down. Bending hasn't drastically improved, but I'm more confident in my ability to move and practice pending. Work started back recently and it's a good way to pass time. My motivation swings from 40-80% when doing stuff, especially because i feel the pins digging into my legs when I sit up. Lying down is really the only way to work.
Pain: No tightness yet. I'm still very early into my lengthening. People report past 4~6cm where they start feeling it. I hope starting a little taller will give me additional runway. Clicking pain has subsided. It still bothers the out of me, but it's not intolerable. The first 1-2 days of clicking is brutal, but now it's just a dramatic ping down my left femur. I dread when my right leg will start clicking.
Mood: Hygiene is a critical component to this. Staying clean and feeling good about yourself is really the best way to do this that doesn't put you in a negative mental state.
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Arent u doing LON? Why do u need to do clicking?
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Arent u doing LON? Why do u need to do clicking?
So there's a rod in our femurs. The rod isn't stable - after swelling dies down, the rod will swing back and forth according to our gait/hip movements. It bangs against our femurs - and let me tell you, this SUCKS. The first time it happens it feels like you rebroke your bone. The sensation dampens which each consecutive instance, but it never stops.
Right now my left leg has adjusted to it. My right leg hurts like a b*tch when it clicks.
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relax man, stay calmed and please do not be panic, you will go through this in a few days, the rods will be soon a no issue, I know how that felt to have the rods get rubbed against the bones, it's awfully painful but it will be gone soon. This ís normal to be hurt with a pair of broken legs and to be alone on this journey but please remember why we do this in the first place. i'm a lon tibias patient, currently at 67 days post surgery
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Did you check with the doctor --is this normal?
If yes, then it is ok.
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Did you leave turkey yet? When are you planning to go back?
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Did you leave turkey yet? When are you planning to go back?
No. I will stay until late July doing therapy. If all goes according to plan I'll hit my goal end of June/early July.
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Friday - May 28. 13 days after surgery. Gain: +6mm
Sigh, ok. Relax and stay calm? I'm in pain . F*ck you, and f*ck everybody who does not detail how painful this is. If you find a diary that does not describe how brutal and painful this situation is, it is a fake diary. This surgery and procedure will shatter you to your core, and everyday until you remove your external fixators the pain will remind you of your dumb decision.
You dont feel pain? Congratulations. Good for you. Wow. AMazIng. You are a great guy! Shut the f*ck up. It's crazy how your new height means 0 changes with your ability to empathize.
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With that said, the pain subsides everyday, little by little. But as one pain subsides, another emerges. Example: surgery trauma -> swelling -> bone clicking -> muscle tightness -> nerve pain.
As time goes on, one becomes another. Sometimes the pain from one group never leaves and you're left with a variety of pain from different sources. That's the way this surgery works.
They promised me a 5 star hotel with breakfast. I don't have breakfast. It's a 2 star hotel anywhere else, at best. The hotel makes everybody go to the lobby to pick up food. In pain.
They promised me frequent contact. LOL they have 90 clients with a 9 person team, and new patients everyday. LOLL they cannot manage this.
Do I regret it? Not sure yet. Dr Halil Buldu is definitely an expert surgeon. He does LON better than almost anybody. While I am spitting vitriol at everything surrounding this situation, I can't fault him. He did a good job.
I'm about .7mm taller. I know at 5cm I will consider stopping. At 5.5cm I will definitely stop. My first x-ray is next Saturday, June 5th. I will be about 1.5cm taller by then. I'm pounding a ton of dairy so hopefully ill be able to push >1mm/day, which allows me to terminate lengthening at the end of June. One month of hell.
If you've read my diary and are still considering this procedure, please evaluate your quality of life. If it's so bad you're willing to take your own life, then this is right for you.
Hang in there. It hurts like hell, but in the end I am sure you will come out stronger, happier and you will be glad you did it.
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You gotta chill man. The first couple weeks can be pretty brutal, but once you get over the hump everybody feels better. In my experience, even the people who were in unimaginable pain at the beginning were functioning pretty well by the one month mark. Just take it one day at a time.
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that's ok to put your anger on me, it's fine it it helps. I think the problem with LON method is that usually doctor would start distraction phase in 7-10 days post surgery, imo this is a little rusty. In your case, if they had waited for another week, probably you would have felt a lot more better since the body would have more time to adapt to the damages from the surgery and get used to the pain from the nails inside and outside. I think, if possible, you can reduce the daily rate length to .75 or even .5 to let your body heal and adapt. pain med should be the last option. hope this helps
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Thanks for the honesty on your diary, haven't seen a real diary like this for a while. From your text your pain is very clearly expressed as well as your emotions. Sincerely hope you get better soon. Night is darkest before the dawn. You will be a bigger man after the procedure(figuratively and literally).
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Thanks for the honesty on your diary, haven't seen a real diary like this for a while. From your text your pain is very clearly expressed as well as your emotions. Sincerely hope you get better soon. Night is darkest before the dawn. You will be a bigger man after the procedure(figuratively and literally).
Thanks Jason. I appreciate you acknowledging my pain and frustration - and I really mean it. I'm really tired of these "chill out man" posts (they can eat it).
I'm feeling better now after doing a ton of PT. The pain is still here but I'm also on half a pill of paracetamol 500 mg (which appears to be the lighter prescriptions they gave me). At 250mg it helps to noticeably dull the bone pain. I'm sure I'll be in a better place before long.
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Thanks Jason. I appreciate you acknowledging my pain and frustration - and I really mean it. I'm really tired of these "chill out man" posts (they can eat it).
I'm feeling better now after doing a ton of PT. The pain is still here but I'm also on half a pill of paracetamol 500 mg (which appears to be the lighter prescriptions they gave me). At 250mg it helps to noticeably dull the bone pain. I'm sure I'll be in a better place before long.
Sorry to ask, but what is the pain comparable to? If there’s anything you can compare it to of course.
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Sorry to ask, but what is the pain comparable to? If there’s anything you can compare it to of course.
Break your femur and find out bro.
But seriously, there's a large variety of different pains in this process. Each as intense and dreadful as the last. The one I'm referring to is called clicking, not to be confused with Betz's clicking, is the rod inside your femur rattling. It's like cracking your knuckle, but it's your femur in half and it does not feel good. it's intense and overwhelming. It stops me in my tracks for 10-30 seconds, howling in pain. IT shoots through your bone, into your pelvic muscles. It's debilitating.
However it's subsided a little. Now it's just dramatic at best, painful at worst.
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@Perfect Body: Have you had a post-surgery check-up yet? Have you seen your doctor in clinic? If you are having this much pain you might be experiencing some type of complication? Either that or early-stage lengthening with LON is just way more uncomfortable than my internals. Even with internals, I remember that the lengthening caused significant discomfort until I slowed down to 0.75 around the 4 CM mark. However, even in the first couple of weeks I never remember suffering nearly as bad as you are describing. Tell your doctor how much you are suffering and see if he can give you a thorough check-up to find out what is going on. Another possibility may be that painkillers they give you in the US are way stronger than you can get your hands on in Turkey.
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Would you advise guys at your height to get this done? Is it worth it in your opinion?
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I think it's worth it for you to evaluate two questions:
1. From a scale of 0-10, where 10 is perfect and 0 is so bad you should take yourself out, what is your quality of life?
2. How much of this negativity can be factored out/ameliorated by a few centimeters in height?
If you sincerely think CLL can give you +3-5 points in your quality of life, idk go for it. Personally, after all the pain and agony and I mean severe pain and agony, it might be worth it for me. I don't now yet because I'm still in the process. Everyday I think about stopping sooner, 3 or 4 cm. But it wont be worth it if I don't hit at lest 5-6cm.
Idk maybe a 3. But could u modify and remove the take urself out part in your post. It makes me feel bad. Admittedly im considering this procedure because i dont feel good overall with my self esteem(mostly due to height), but also due to other depressive issues.
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Sorry but no; it's a serious degree of dissatisfaction many people have with their lives. At this level CLL won't help, and it's important to know.
As for your depression, please spend some time with a therapist. My therapist helped my personal growth and development, but my stature was the only thing holding me back from really being happy. He did everything he could and I am 1000% satisfied with my two years working with him. I'm in a much better place than where I was. But after all that work, I still wasn't where I wanted to be. Hence I am now stuck to a bed, chained to a walker, in Turkey, undergoing mild degrees of pain on the daily basis.
You need to do everything you can to fix yourself first before considering this operation; it's a seriously expensive, extremely painful, and long time commitment.
Do you think this procedure will help you with dating? Most of my disatisfaction in life comes from not being able to date the girls im attracted to. Occasionally every now and then I will be able to date girls but they are usually not the ones I am as attracted to. The ones I really like, I havent had a chance in dating them long term. I mainly attribute this to my height(164cm).
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Do you think this procedure will help you with dating? Most of my disatisfaction in life comes from not being able to date the girls im attracted to. Occasionally every now and then I will be able to date girls but they are usually not the ones I am as attracted to. The ones I really like, I havent had a chance in dating them long term. I mainly attribute this to my height(164cm).
Obviously. Chasing women shouldn't be the only reason you do this. See a therapist before you break your legs.
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Do you think this procedure will help you with dating? Most of my disatisfaction in life comes from not being able to date the girls im attracted to. Occasionally every now and then I will be able to date girls but they are usually not the ones I am as attracted to. The ones I really like, I havent had a chance in dating them long term. I mainly attribute this to my height(164cm).
Not necessarily your height, could be your lack of confidence because of height etc. height is a large factor but no matter how tall you are women take into account many other things
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Monday - May 31. 16 days after surgery. Gain: +9mm
The worst of the clicking pain has subsidded. I'm working with 2 therapists 5 days/week to regain mobility and range of motion. The external/non-company therapist is 100% better than the in house therapist (she's super overworked with all the other cll patients) - I still 100% appreciate her and her work. My comfortable knee bending range is about 70*, I can push myself to 80* but there's a tremendous amount of tension in my quads.
I can sit on super elevated surfaces, but getting on my bed is still a challenge. Getting on the toilet is 100% technique; it's not easy. Getting off can be painful because the amount of force I need to exert on my legs.
I'm off painkillers for the last two days, and hoping to keep it this way indefinitely. I'm also eating like a king (3-4 healthy takeout meals/day, a ton of yogurt + protein powder), taking supplements (calcium, d3, zinc), and sleeping as much as I can.
In about 8 days I'll be officially 5'8" (+18mm), which is crazy to think about. Then 25 days from that, 5'9"(+43mm), and another 25 for 5'10" (+68mm). Total days of lengthening left at 1mm/day: 68.
I feel no tightness or soft tissue irritation of any sort that has been brought on by lengthening; PT has reduced tightness due to trauma. If, and only if, my callous formation is great, I might be able to push 1.25mm after my xray on Saturday. This reduces my penance from 68 to about 48 days. Realistically I'm happy to stop at +58mm (58-48 days) and call it "five-ten"ish ofc. I am not interested in suffering tremendous nerve pain past >5cm, and i'd like a smooth, healthy recovery. Looking forward to the next month flying by.
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Bro who your Colleagues feel about they're surgery. If they are also feel pain so the problem in the doctor, but they feel good so the problem depends on u ;)
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Bro who your Colleagues feel about they're surgery. If they are also feel pain so the problem in the doctor, but they feel good so the problem depends on u ;)
This is such an idiotic comment, I too am in extreme discomfort and had brutal pain the first week
Who would feel good with metal pins going into their broken bones you idiot?
I am pushing through it but no one feels good here that comment makes my blood boil that you downplay the amount of suffering we are going through
I don’t blame anyone, I traded saving money for suffering, if I could go back I would have just payed the extra money for precice two
At the current moment all I care about is having a good outcome, I’ll take the pain day by day if it’s not in vain
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Bro who your Colleagues feel about they're surgery. If they are also feel pain so the problem in the doctor, but they feel good so the problem depends on u ;)
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Don't post here.
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Update:
I spoke to a lot of other guys today at the hotel. It turns out we're going to experience a carrousel of pain. Some days will be easy, some days won't. Muscle pains one day, nerve pains another. Sometimes 0-1, sometimes 5-7. Some people experience a ton of nerve pain, some people experience 0 nerve pain. This is how the next month's going to be.
Knee ROM: Hasn't changed, 80* is the tense range. I can do 90* if I balance my body off the bed in my hands.
Mobility: Walking is easy. I can skip pretty quickly, but it's dangerous. Sitting on an elevated surface is easy, on a normal chair is really challenging. Also very uncomfortable.
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Thursday - June 4. 20 days after surgery. Gain: +13mm
Yesterday was a good day. No pain at all, a little tight from bandage but that's 0.5/10.
Staff has been very responsive and helpful throughout the last few days. The carrousel of pain continues to spin, I had strange pain on my ankle last night - I put an ice pack on it and slept with it on. It helped a lot. Today's harder; right leg feels swollen, but otherwise everything is ok. In general, I feel like the team is really doing their best to take care of us.
Survival tips: Walk a lot, exercise is necessary for pain endorphins. Shower, especially your hair - it makes you feel like a real person again. Stay in touch with people.
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Any videos of your walking that you can share?
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so the team has changed their attitude to you?
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The team is doing 100% their best. No regrets, they're awesome.
Getting my xray a day early.
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Sunday - June 6. 203 days after surgery. Gain: +16.5mm
The doctor told me my healing is going really well, and I should push more than 1mm/day if pain permits. I am trying 1.25 now and it is fine.
The team is really responsive. The first two weeks were really hard but things are getting easier now. I'm still very early in my process so my gait is ok. I can't lift my leg to go up stairs very well, it's something I'm working with the physical therapists.
The team is doing their best, and it really shows; they've been responsive and active. If you're going to do this surgery, I'd recommend this team (live life taller). I would strongly recommend you do this accompanied by a friend or family member, it will help pass time and alleviate mental strain and woes. I'm lucky I can work from home so I am very distracted/focused on my work, and not my leg. Reach out to me if you are strongly considering this procedure in Turkey. I'm happy to guide you through my day-by-day.
I met with the doctor 20 minutes ago (past midnight here) while he was doing his rounds. Cheerful and helpful as always. Helped explain my 1st post-release xray.
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Mornings and nights are definitely the most challenging moments of the day, but once you get through the first few hours it's not too bad. Also strongly follow their lengthening advice.
It's crazy to think that I'm already taller than I've ever been, and that I'll keep growing. This isn't easy, but the feat itself is also impossible. It's a tradeoff you have to make when you do this. I know the pain will go away, so I cannot say I regret it.
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Sunday - June 6. 203 days after surgery. Gain: +16.5mm
The doctor told me my healing is going really well, and I should push more than 1mm/day if pain permits. I am trying 1.25 now and it is fine.
The team is really responsive. The first two weeks were really hard but things are getting easier now. I'm still very early in my process so my gait is ok. I can't lift my leg to go up stairs very well, it's something I'm working with the physical therapists.
The team is doing their best, and it really shows; they've been responsive and active. If you're going to do this surgery, I'd recommend this team (live life taller). I would strongly recommend you do this accompanied by a friend or family member, it will help pass time and alleviate mental strain and woes. I'm lucky I can work from home so I am very distracted/focused on my work, and not my leg. Reach out to me if you are strongly considering this procedure in Turkey. I'm happy to guide you through my day-by-day.
I met with the doctor 20 minutes ago (past midnight here) while he was doing his rounds. Cheerful and helpful as always. Helped explain my 1st post-release xray.
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Mornings and nights are definitely the most challenging moments of the day, but once you get through the first few hours it's not too bad. Also strongly follow their lengthening advice.
It's crazy to think that I'm already taller than I've ever been, and that I'll keep growing. This isn't easy, but the feat itself is also impossible. It's a tradeoff you have to make when you do this. I know the pain will go away, so I cannot say I regret it.
Great looking X-ray, bone callus growth is really up there, probably from your diet like you said. I’ve been trying to drink milk and eat bone promoting foods too
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As promised, here are my first lengthening x-ray results: https://imgur.com/a/Qm2yLui
Like I said, the callouses are already building up, and super fast too. It's almost worrying because I need to crank the LON faster otherwise my bones will heal before I hit my goal.
The important thing for my soft tissue now is to stretch like crazy. I will try to do 2-4x a day, for 20-30 minute sessions. Otherwise my leg nerves will surely hurt.
Extremely important diet tips:
1. I am drinking a whey protein in the morning and casein protein shake at night. Both times with water and 1/4 cup of yogurt in the shake. They both help with the soft tissue stretching/working, and bone formation. Casein is a slow metabolizing protein that slowly fuels your system overnight (when you are not eating/nutrient deprived).
2. Eat a lot of meat. There's a ton of chicken here. Eat eat eat. Salmon is great too but a luxury (expensive) here.
3. Calcium supplements that are citrate based and contain some Vitamin D3. Citrate will help your body metabolize it easily, so no calcium is lost.
4. No smoking and drinking of course.
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Friday - May 21. 6 days after surgery
This also heavily reduces my stay in this 5th world country - .
Turkey is far from a 5th world country. I don't know who told you this.
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Turkey is far from a 5th world country. I don't know who told you this.
That was a joke bro 🤣 Turkey is great.
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As promised, here are my first lengthening x-ray results: https://imgur.com/a/Qm2yLui
Like I said, the callouses are already building up, and super fast too. It's almost worrying because I need to crank the LON faster otherwise my bones will heal before I hit my goal.
The important thing for my soft tissue now is to stretch like crazy. I will try to do 2-4x a day, for 20-30 minute sessions. Otherwise my leg nerves will surely hurt.
Extremely important diet tips:
1. I am drinking a whey protein in the morning and casein protein shake at night. Both times with water and 1/4 cup of yogurt in the shake. They both help with the soft tissue stretching/working, and bone formation. Casein is a slow metabolizing protein that slowly fuels your system overnight (when you are not eating/nutrient deprived).
2. Eat a lot of meat. There's a ton of chicken here. Eat eat eat. Salmon is great too but a luxury (expensive) here.
3. Calcium supplements that are citrate based and contain some Vitamin D3. Citrate will help your body metabolize it easily, so no calcium is lost.
4. No smoking and drinking of course.
so you think this plus standing/walking is giving you great callous? great to read , also confirms my theory of pushing self to be active and do exercise to stimulate. i love the fact that you dont give in to the psychos that tell you that you should just do the maximum just because the nail can do so. just becuase they dont care about top recovery doesnt mean everyone else shouldnt. havent read a real diary like this in a long time. ( there was a girl who did LATN in athens, but i cant find her on here anymore)
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so you think this plus standing/walking is giving you great callous?
Walking and moving is critical because it forces blood flow via muscle stimulation. This is extremely important to prevent any nasty events too (clots). So when you have significant blood flow you also have significant nutrient delivery. They go hand in hand!
There are guys here who skimp out on the nutrients and still get good callouses. It only gets bad if you're very old, or aren't walking and eating like you should.
i love the fact that you dont give in to the psychos that tell you that you should just do the maximum just because the nail can do so. just becuase they dont care about top recovery doesnt mean everyone else shouldnt. havent read a real diary like this in a long time. ( there was a girl who did LATN in athens, but i cant find her on here anymore)
Thanks man, this means a lot to me. Especially since I'm partially stuck in my own head these days :) If you have any specific questions about my experience or the procedure, feel free to PM me! Cheers
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Walking and moving is critical because it forces blood flow via muscle stimulation. This is extremely important to prevent any nasty events too (clots). So when you have significant blood flow you also have significant nutrient delivery. They go hand in hand!
There are guys here who skimp out on the nutrients and still get good callouses. It only gets bad if you're very old, or aren't walking and eating like you should.
Thanks man, this means a lot to me. Especially since I'm partially stuck in my own head these days :) If you have any specific questions about my experience or the procedure, feel free to PM me! Cheers
no doubt man. i have enough for the externals. ( tsf for full weight bearing for sure). trying to get the extra so i can do latn. but will definitely shoot a pm to verify any of my research if i got any questions.
thanks man!
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As promised, here are my first lengthening x-ray results: https://imgur.com/a/Qm2yLui
Like I said, the callouses are already building up, and super fast too. It's almost worrying because I need to crank the LON faster otherwise my bones will heal before I hit my goal.
The important thing for my soft tissue now is to stretch like crazy. I will try to do 2-4x a day, for 20-30 minute sessions. Otherwise my leg nerves will surely hurt.
Extremely important diet tips:
1. I am drinking a whey protein in the morning and casein protein shake at night. Both times with water and 1/4 cup of yogurt in the shake. They both help with the soft tissue stretching/working, and bone formation. Casein is a slow metabolizing protein that slowly fuels your system overnight (when you are not eating/nutrient deprived).
2. Eat a lot of meat. There's a ton of chicken here. Eat eat eat. Salmon is great too but a luxury (expensive) here.
3. Calcium supplements that are citrate based and contain some Vitamin D3. Citrate will help your body metabolize it easily, so no calcium is lost.
4. No smoking and drinking of course.
Do you take any vitamins, and what do you drink milk, water, ...?
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Do you take any vitamins, and what do you drink milk, water, ...?
I'm doing exactly what I wrote here. I'm taking some basic calcium supplements I asked the nursing staff to pick up for me here in Istanbul. It's nothing special. No additional vitamins. Like I said, the staff is awesome and will help you however which way you need it. Just eat a lot of good, whole food.
Drink a lot of water.
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I'm doing exactly what I wrote here. I'm taking some basic calcium supplements I asked the nursing staff to pick up for me here in Istanbul. It's nothing special. No additional vitamins. Like I said, the staff is awesome and will help you however which way you need it. Just eat a lot of good, whole food.
Drink a lot of water.
whats your take on smart water/ electrolyte water?
as an athelete, im thinking that could help recovery. did you test theory or is it just regular water + vit
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whats your take on smart water/ electrolyte water?
as an athelete, im thinking that could help recovery. did you test theory or is it just regular water + vit
Hey man, don't overdo this.
Eat plenty natural, whole foods. That's enough to set your body in a solid path to recovery. Vitamins, exercise, and supplements will ensure your bones heal with no problems. Anything extra won't help. Just let your body do the rest. Believe it or not this is not very complicated. Your body is an insane machine capable of crazy things.
Also:
I don't mean to praise Buldu's success in every post, but there's this one maniac here who achieved 8.5cm on femurs in about 58ish days. Towards the end of his lengthening process he was lengthening at 1.75mm/day with no problem, no nerve issues, and bone consolidation at a very fast rate. As a matter of fact I believe the doctor encouraged him to do so because his bones were consolidating too quickly. I have no idea how he did it, but he did. The guy is made out of steel I guess. Next week he's going to do his Tibias. Not sure what his diet strategy is.
Some people have no issues/pain with this - unfortunately I'm not one of them ??? But yeah everybody is different.
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Any pictures or vids about your current status? Would help us to understand better
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Hey man, don't overdo this.
Eat plenty natural, whole foods. That's enough to set your body in a solid path to recovery. Vitamins, exercise, and supplements will ensure your bones heal with no problems. Anything extra won't help. Just let your body do the rest. Believe it or not this is not very complicated. Your body is an insane machine capable of crazy things.
Also:
I don't mean to praise Buldu's success in every post, but there's this one maniac here who achieved 8.5cm on femurs in about 58ish days. Towards the end of his lengthening process he was lengthening at 1.75mm/day with no problem, no nerve issues, and bone consolidation at a very fast rate. As a matter of fact I believe the doctor encouraged him to do so because his bones were consolidating too quickly. I have no idea how he did it, but he did. The guy is made out of steel I guess. Next week he's going to do his Tibias. Not sure what his diet strategy is.
Some people have no issues/pain with this - unfortunately I'm not one of them ??? But yeah everybody is different.
haha yea i plan to. just trying to keep as much atheletic ability as i can. i remember a few football players who broke their legs. so i started seeing what they took to get back on the field, and wanted to copy them lol.
that 1.75mm is definitely crazy, becuase no matter what, all studies show nerves can stretch to accomodate 1mm a day max no matter what without any real complications. even if we have to lengthen a little more to beat preconsolidation, all studies showed 1.25mm max . lol people really be going the extreme with stuff , but hey their body right!
but anyway, hope you get back to recovering smoothly. im guessing alot of stretches for the itband and just taking it a day at a time is the plan.
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Saturday June 12 - 28 days since surgery - ~25±2mm gained
In spite of keeping a well-detailed excel sheet of my progress and release time, I'm not sure exactly how much I've gained. I'm definitely half-way done, about 20 days left at the rate of 1.25mm. If I feel ballsy or dissatisfied I'll push for another cm but not at the cost of discomfort or complications. I pulled out the pants I wore to Turkey and I've definitely grew out of them; they go up a good inch past my ankles. I'm really happy to see this. Can't wait to see how poorly they fit when I put them on.
I measured myself on Wednesday and I was around 173.6, and again on Friday I was about 174cm. As awesome as this sounds, there's definitely a margin of error in the instrument and my ability to read the measurement correctly. Either way, 174 is definitely greater than 171. That's a win.
Staff has been great and responsive. I sincerely look forward to all my physical therapy sessions with the in house (and private) everyday. They both do an excellent job of helping me stretch into my new legs and relieve muscle pain/tightness. If you do this procedure in Istanbul, please get the package. You'll need the support you get from the physical therapist who has been trained and has had practice with healing patients through this process. A regular physical therapist runs the risk of hurting you by accident, which can set you back a month (or more). I still recommend both, but having the team nearby for PT, doctor support, and bandage changes really really make this procedure a lot safer and smoother. I can't imagine doing this at home.
Knee bending is still hard for me, but now I can bend ~110* when really really forcing myself (tight quads), or about 100 tense. Bending 90* is no problem.
As the days go by, my regret definitely diminishes. Next X-ray in less than 2 weeks. 20 days of lengthening to go.
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wil you do another segment for tibias?
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IMO shoot for at least 7 cms. You've come a long way. This is a type of surgery that you get the opportunity to do it very rarely. Make it worth it man. Rooting for you!
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IMO shoot for at least 7 cms. You've come a long way.
I appreciate your good words, but don't say this. It sounds very sad/desperate, and you also have no idea what I'm going through on a daily basis here. This process is very difficult and I'm shooting for a safe and fast recovery. Read the diary.
wil you do another segment for tibias?
Again, none of you read before posting.
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I appreciate your good words, but don't say this. It sounds very sad/desperate, and you also have no idea what I'm going through on a daily basis here. This process is very difficult and I'm shooting for a safe and fast recovery. Read the diary.
Again, none of you read before posting.
++++ that virtual cheerleading stuff is annoying. they make it seem like the goal is only to MAX out the nail just because the nail can do that. when the goal should be your safety, how you feel physically/mentally and also not looking like a freaking alien imho lol.
question - do you have a big appetite, or are you forcing yourself to eat to get all the large calories needed to recover.
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At first I was eating a lot, like 4 takeout meals a day. Now I do 2-3 with dessert.
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At first I was eating a lot, like 4 takeout meals a day. Now I do 2-3 with dessert.
nice. i guess eating alot may get tiring lol. youre a month in i believe. hows it feel being being 5'8 now lol.
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I read through your whole diary. Very inspiring. Keep fighting, mate!
What was the total cost of the surgery package, if I may ask?
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nice. i guess eating alot may get tiring lol. youre a month in i believe. hows it feel being being 5'8 now lol.
I measured myself twice at 175ish cm in the last few days. I'll take my 5'9" lol. It feels good, I can tell my tailored pants dont fit me well anymore. At ~+3cm my leg muscles are very, very tired.
I read through your whole diary. Very inspiring. Keep fighting, mate!
What was the total cost of the surgery package, if I may ask?
20k Euros
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How is your knee RANGE OF MOTION?
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Man took so long to get verified. I am getting discharged as we speak. Looking forward to meeting you and ActivatedXxx I think we’re all from the US and I have been keeping a close eye on both of your diaries.
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Man took so long to get verified. I am getting discharged as we speak. Looking forward to meeting you and ActivatedXxx I think we’re all from the US and I have been keeping a close eye on both of your diaries.
Awesome, congrats on your surgery man!! How're you feeling?
Yeah I'm from the US. If you're who I think you are, Activated is also from Texas. I might have seen you on the whatapp stories
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How is your knee RANGE OF MOTION?
I've never been super flexible - let's begin there. Like, I couldn't completely fold onto my legs if I sat on my shins.
With that said, I can easily do 90* now. I struggle to do +100*. I could be improving more but I had a debilitating pinsite infection the last few days. Was hard to move without 8/10 pain spikes.
Also I notice how much longer/thinner my legs are when I sit on the toilet. It's weird man! Anyways tomorrow I will be about 60% done with my journey to 5cm. I won't lie, I fantasize about 4cm a lot because I really want these fixaters gone.
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Thanks man. I found it strange how I kept telling my friend that I’d never felt so defeated in my life and upon reading your diary you used the same lingo. I’m feeling optimistic just at the fact that I’m leaving the damn hospital. It’s like a phase is over with.
Yeah I am from Texas..that’s good to hear man we can swap some stories and confirm our craziness cos God knows I had never been in so much pain I my life. Looking forward to meeting you both. Are you both at the hotel? BOF suites I think
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I've never been super flexible -
I am wondering what kind of athlete You were ? athlete are more flexible than the others and you are just 30.
Why the most Dr. Baldu's patients having pin site infection? is there any hygiene problem ?
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Thanks man. I found it strange how I kept telling my friend that I’d never felt so defeated in my life and upon reading your diary you used the same lingo. I’m feeling optimistic just at the fact that I’m leaving the damn hospital. It’s like a phase is over with.
Yeah I am from Texas..that’s good to hear man we can swap some stories and confirm our craziness cos God knows I had never been in so much pain I my life. Looking forward to meeting you both. Are you both at the hotel? BOF suites I think
@FIVEANDSOMETHING
Congratulations surgery done!
Which method LON or Precise?
All the best
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@FIVEANDSOMETHING
Congratulations surgery done!
Which method LON or Precise?
All the best
Thanks. I did LON . BIG ooof there
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I am wondering what kind of athlete You were ? athlete are more flexible than the others and you are just 30.
Why the most Dr. Baldu's patients having pin site infection? is there any hygiene problem ?
Pinsite infections are rather common. The weather is also muggy/humid, so it's not great for bacterial transmission. Also hotel staff are d*ckheads. Not the team - the hotel; they wont change my f*cking bedsheets. I don't know what their problem is.
Thanks man. I found it strange how I kept telling my friend that I’d never felt so defeated in my life and upon reading your diary you used the same lingo. I’m feeling optimistic just at the fact that I’m leaving the damn hospital. It’s like a phase is over with.
Yeah I am from Texas..that’s good to hear man we can swap some stories and confirm our craziness cos God knows I had never been in so much pain I my life. Looking forward to meeting you both. Are you both at the hotel? BOF suites I think
I bet you feel pretty f*cking dumb now hahaha. Don't worry, you'll be happy you did it in 3 weeks. I'm in my 4th week and I'm finally feeling good about the process - I had a lot of regret but they've all dissipated. I'm really happy to have left the life I was living behind. After I'm done here, the ball's entirely in my court - I won't have my height to blame for my shortcomings, social or interpersonal or whatever. No lie, I feel physically crippled right now for some very obvious reasons, but inside I feel pretty unstoppable.
The first two weeks will brutal man, hang in there. Week two you'll get the clicking pains, but they only last 2-4 days/leg. The pain literally halves per day. Just a warning, cause it's the next challenge you'll be facing. It's the real price we pay for doing the impossible.
Try your best at getting up and moving round. Eat a ton of protein and yogurt - avoid milk! I don't know what the deal is but it made one of my infections worse a long time ago. I've also been warned by the guys here to avoid the milk. I don't know - I guess it's not as cleanly processed as it is in the states. Moving and eating rocks for your bone healing - especially since you're gonna want to do more than 1mm/day. Unless I guess you love Turkey lol.
Anyways I'll PM you my number. Catch you soon man.
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I bet you feel pretty f*cking dumb now hahaha. Don't worry, you'll be happy you did it in 3 weeks. I'm in my 4th week and I'm finally feeling good about the process - I had a lot of regret but they've all dissipated. I'm really happy to have left the life I was living behind. After I'm done here, the ball's entirely in my court - I won't have my height to blame for my shortcomings, social or interpersonal or whatever. No lie, I feel physically crippled right now for some very obvious reasons, but inside I feel pretty unstoppable.
The first two weeks will brutal man, hang in there. Week two you'll get the clicking pains, but they only last 2-4 days/leg. The pain literally halves per day. Just a warning, cause it's the next challenge you'll be facing. It's the real price we pay for doing the impossible.
Try your best at getting up and moving round. Eat a ton of protein and yogurt - avoid milk! I don't know what the deal is but it made one of my infections worse a long time ago. I've also been warned by the guys here to avoid the milk. I don't know - I guess it's not as cleanly processed as it is in the states. Moving and eating rocks for your bone healing - especially since you're gonna want to do more than 1mm/day. Unless I guess you love Turkey lol.
Anyways I'll PM you my number. Catch you soon man.
LMAOO I just painfully laughed man. I definitely was blaming my bestfriend for not talking me out of it lol I can’t imagine a worser pain Jesus Christ. I’m looking forward to talking to ya so hurry and send that number. I’m already here at the hotel. I know it’s going to be tough man and you really hit the nail on the head with that statement you made. To anyone reading this, if just the Pain you go through for this extra 3 inches doesn’t cure your insecurities, I don’t think anything will quite frankly. I think of people who went through the surgery twice and God bless their heart, nothing against them but I don’t believe that I am mentally strong to put myself through this a second time. Hell if it were up to me I’d have this stuff removed and be on the way back to the states on the next flight out but gotta SEE IT THROUGH. That’s a poem I read as well. That and some motivational songs..speeches by Eric Thomas about how pain is temporary but the reward is permanent.
I am happy for you man. I have so much more to say but we’ll have to keep that through personal messages. Again looking forward to meeting you as well and everyone else quite frankly, cos I know this is not a easy process and anyone who opts to go this route definitely had insecurities that I hope gets better following this.
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Pinsite infections are rather common. The weather is also muggy/humid, so it's not great for bacterial transmission. Also hotel staff are d*ckheads. Not the team - the hotel; they wont change my f*cking bedsheets. I don't know what their problem is.
I bet you feel pretty f*cking dumb now hahaha. Don't worry, you'll be happy you did it in 3 weeks. I'm in my 4th week and I'm finally feeling good about the process - I had a lot of regret but they've all dissipated. I'm really happy to have left the life I was living behind. After I'm done here, the ball's entirely in my court - I won't have my height to blame for my shortcomings, social or interpersonal or whatever. No lie, I feel physically crippled right now for some very obvious reasons, but inside I feel pretty unstoppable.
The first two weeks will brutal man, hang in there. Week two you'll get the clicking pains, but they only last 2-4 days/leg. The pain literally halves per day. Just a warning, cause it's the next challenge you'll be facing. It's the real price we pay for doing the impossible.
Try your best at getting up and moving round. Eat a ton of protein and yogurt - avoid milk! I don't know what the deal is but it made one of my infections worse a long time ago. I've also been warned by the guys here to avoid the milk. I don't know - I guess it's not as cleanly processed as it is in the states. Moving and eating rocks for your bone healing - especially since you're gonna want to do more than 1mm/day. Unless I guess you love Turkey lol.
Anyways I'll PM you my number. Catch you soon man.
Lol dont you have Air-conditioned rooms ? and facility? This is very bad if you dont have
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Humidity can be controlled by Air-con
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Humidity can be controlled by Air-con
It’s in Turkish. And the rooms could definitely be disability Friendly. Man I’ve never missed the US so much and i still have 80 days at least ...
Ughhh lol
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It’s in Turkish. And the rooms could definitely be disability Friendly. Man I’ve never missed the US so much and i still have 80 days at least ...
Ughhh lol
It feels like forever ago, but once you hit day 35ish you don’t feel that bad about motivation because you are close to 7.5/3’
Just make sure you don’t get pinsite infections like us, they suck, don’t touch or massage around your pinsite when it’s sore, I think that’s what caused it for me
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I measured myself twice at 175ish cm in the last few days. I'll take my 5'9" lol. It feels good, I can tell my tailored pants dont fit me well anymore. At ~+3cm my leg muscles are very, very tired.
20k Euros
haha already 5'9, so you'll be 5'10 and im assuming youll wear an inch lift and claim 6ft lol. pretty nice man. lol
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Could you post some images or Xrays to show your progress? Havent see anything after these pages of diary. Thanks
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Could you post some images or Xrays to show your progress? Havent see anything after these pages of diary. Thanks
I've posted my initial xrays and my pre-surgery mugshot. The only thing worse than a short man, is a dumb short man.
haha already 5'9, so you'll be 5'10 and im assuming youll wear an inch lift and claim 6ft lol. pretty nice man. lol
I can't wait to have this off my my guy. Two weeks to go. This is rough but today was actually really easy compared to this weekend, no kidding
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I've posted my initial xrays and my pre-surgery mugshot. The only thing worse than a short man, is a dumb short man.
Your hostile response is uncalled for. Seems like you have issues besides your height. I was asking for motion pictures if any. No need to get so agitated over it.
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Really dont mean any offence, I was just trying to understand more about the experiences in pictures and videos. Your diary is very inspiring.
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Your hostile response is uncalled for. Seems like you have issues besides your height. I was asking for motion pictures if any. No need to get so agitated over it.
Bro I’m sorry about the harshness. Put it this way, if you knew how many people log on to ask the same question and for stuff that is already there, you’d be tired of it too. You asked for X-rays and pictures.
I don’t have videos because I’m either busy with physical therapy, work, or rest/recovering because moving for extended period of times isn’t easy. I reserve my active moments got hanging out with other people, which is 10-30 minutes a day. I’ll get some when I have my fixaters removed because this thing makes life really hard, physically and emotionally man.
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Bro I’m sorry about the harshness. Put it this way, if you knew how many people log on to ask the same question and for stuff that is already there, you’d be tired of it too. You asked for X-rays and pictures.
I don’t have videos because I’m either busy with physical therapy, work, or rest/recovering because moving for extended period of times isn’t easy. I reserve my active moments got hanging out with other people, which is 10-30 minutes a day. I’ll get some when I have my fixaters removed because this thing makes life really hard, physically and emotionally man.
No worries, it's cool! ;D ! You may not notice but some people look at your diary and see a glimmer of hope of what they could be. Keep working hard, your doing great!
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No worries, it's cool! ;D ! You may not notice but some people look at your diary and see a glimmer of hope of what they could be. Keep working hard, your doing great!
Thanks man, you’re remarkably nice man and I’m sorry for spiting vitriol like that. I hope you get what you need out of this, minus the pain. I’m sure if you did this you’d be in wayyyy better spirits than I am, and it’s important to stay in a good mood. I wish I had that. Pain really sours me.
Here are some updates - an emergency X-ray and knee bending performance: https://imgur.com/a/gxV9Vqb
I can probably bend a little better than that since this was this past weekend but not by much.
I needed the emergency X-ray because I had a very noticeable length difference. It turns out it’s a mere 3mm disparity I am resolving now (1.5mm on my left, 1 on my right/day, for 6 days). Hopefully I can bang this out without too much issues. It I’m already feeling the nerves tingling like mad when I hit the 1.5mm at night. Oof.
Today was a good day in terms of pain. This past weekend was brutal. 16 more days to go.
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Really dont mean any offence, I was just trying to understand more about the experiences in pictures and videos. Your diary is very inspiring.
I’ll tell you this man,whatever your expectation is in regards to pain tolerance, go ahead and toss that out and come here in a blank slate. I’m sure he didn’t mean any offense by his response and you handled it well. The pain will be the most pain you have ever felt in your life man, physically and emotionally. But if you’re strong minded you will be able to tolerate it(you kinda have no choice lol) I’m possibly going to post my journey here once I leave cos mines is very detailed with experiences ...and well I don’t wanna offend anyone while I’m currently helpless. BUT whatever your expectation is put it away. Also I don’t know what country you’re coming from but if it’s the US ...Do Not Expect this to be anything like what you’re used to back at home at all.
When are you planning to head this way? I’ll be here till late august, early September
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I've posted my initial xrays and my pre-surgery mugshot. The only thing worse than a short man, is a dumb short man.
I can't wait to have this off my my guy. Two weeks to go. This is rough but today was actually really easy compared to this weekend, no kidding
im paying close attention becuase i want to do tibia. i actually wanted to do LATN in greece. but with some unexpected costs i had to spend and him raising prices 6K euros this year, i wont have enough. and now thinking heavily about doing it in turkey. but not going to lie, turkey sounds scary to go to haha. vs Greece that is in european union and doesn't need visa and follows european medical code which is similiar to usa and canada.
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Small update.
Sunday June 20 - 37 days since surgery - ~35±1mm gained
Pain: none in the last 4-5 days. Like 1-2 small spikes on my knees and pinsites but generally none. I take 1 novalgin a day (usually at night to make sure I sleep soundlessly). Infection pains are a nightmare so I try to stay super hygenic.
Knee bending: https://imgur.com/a/HTsEmmg - 1st pic is near-max rom with strain. 2nd pic is slightly uncomfortable. 90*s is normal now.
I’m beginning to realize my limited rom is 1000% my fault; after watching the latest Cyborg4Life interview I really accepted that I haven’t been stretching at all. Like 10-20 mins a day is hardly enough. The doctor recommends 3-4 hours minimum and I’ve been seriously slacking.
I’ve updated my stretching exercises accordingly: hold the stretch for 12-16 seconds, rest for 2-3 seconds, repeat 10 times with increasing force (try harder). It gets almost painfully tense, but that's the only way to really improve. This is 1 set; repeat 3-4 times with 1-2 mins resting between sets. This helped my knee ROM quite a bit in just two days (+5-10 degrees - compare new pic to old ones). This also helps a f*ck ton with knee stiffness pain.
I will stop in about 12-13 days when I reach 50mm. Extremely looking forward to stop lengthening and getting these leg-cuffs removed; these will greatly help my recovery. I have also made the executive decision to get my nails removed in the US. PM me if you have any questions as always.
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Small update.
Sunday June 20 - 37 days since surgery - ~35±1mm gained
Pain: none in the last 4-5 days. Like 1-2 small spikes on my knees and pinsites but generally none. I take 1 novalgin a day (usually at night to make sure I sleep soundlessly). Infection pains are a nightmare so I try to stay super hygenic.
Knee bending: https://imgur.com/a/HTsEmmg - 1st pic is near-max rom with strain. 2nd pic is slightly uncomfortable. 90*s is normal now.
I’m beginning to realize my limited rom is 1000% my fault; after watching the latest Cyborg4Life interview I really accepted that I haven’t been stretching at all. Like 10-20 mins a day is hardly enough. The doctor recommends 3-4 hours minimum and I’ve been seriously slacking.
I’ve updated my stretching exercises accordingly: hold the stretch for 12-16 seconds, rest for 2-3 seconds, repeat 10 times with increasing force (try harder). It gets almost painfully tense, but that's the only way to really improve. This is 1 set; repeat 3-4 times with 1-2 mins resting between sets. This helped my knee ROM quite a bit in just two days (+5-10 degrees - compare new pic to old ones). This also helps a f*ck ton with knee stiffness pain.
I will stop in about 12-13 days when I reach 50mm. Extremely looking forward to stop lengthening and getting these leg-cuffs removed; these will greatly help my recovery. I have also made the executive decision to get my nails removed in the US. PM me if you have any questions as always.
Congrats PerfectBody. Do you have wide legs? Did Buldu happen to do an ITB release for you? It would've improved your knee ROM significantly.
Thanks
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Congrats PerfectBody. Do you have wide legs? Did Buldu happen to do an ITB release for you? It would've improved your knee ROM significantly.
Thanks
No wide legs. IDK about ITB release - I think he does. My knees always had issues. Exercising and stretching religiously helps. But once you start lengthening you start losing ROM no matter what - you need to stretch to keep whatever you can.
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Hey man,glad to know you're better now,would you recommend LON on femurs if you had to do it again or would you go for precise instead ? Now that stryde has been recalled and might not be available for a year or two,i'm considering all possibilities,i'm really curious about precise as there is no way it could bear even half my weight and comparing to LON femurs it seems like LON might offer a better recovery in the short term,not really sure about it
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Hey man,glad to know you're better now,would you recommend LON on femurs if you had to do it again or would you go for precise instead ? Now that stryde has been recalled and might not be available for a year or two,i'm considering all possibilities,i'm really curious about precise as there is no way it could bear even half my weight and comparing to LON femurs it seems like LON might offer a better recovery in the short term,not really sure about it
I cannot do precise, I weigh 175lb. If you have nothing planned for 1 year into your future, go do precise. Otherwise if you want to try getting back to life in 3-5 months, do LON. LON is very brutal and painful for people with a lot of muscles. If you are weak and have no muscles (Cannot squat more than 135-155lbs x12) then LON maybe won't hurt as much.
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We weight the same,yea,precise is no option,i can't afford to stay a bed during a year,i don't have muscular legs but they are fit,i mostly do biking and i try to stretch to be more flexible,have you met some patients there who are in consolidation phase ? What's your goal ? 8cm ?
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After lengthening is complete, how long do you need to wait to remove the external fixator?
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Hey man,glad to know you're better now,would you recommend LON on femurs if you had to do it again or would you go for precise instead ? Now that stryde has been recalled and might not be available for a year or two,i'm considering all possibilities,i'm really curious about precise as there is no way it could bear even half my weight and comparing to LON femurs it seems like LON might offer a better recovery in the short term,not really sure about it
If you can afford anything else do it. I personally would never recommend LON. That sh**T is painful AF but if you should then go Tibias. Femurs are so limiting you have no idea. Also Negotiate.
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The only alternative i have is precise,which will keep me walking with a walker at best for almost a year,so the dilemna is quite big here,suffer with LON for 3 months and basically be with a stryde-like nail after that and be able to walk on my own 3-4 months after op,as stryde is not planning to come back anytime soon i'm gonna have to decide,but i can't afford be in bed for a full year basically
What do you mean about negotiate ? For the suffering,i'm pretty sure LON is quite a torture comparing to internals,but hey breaking your legs anyway will hurt as fk in the end.
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What do you mean about negotiate ? For the suffering,i'm pretty sure LON is quite a torture comparing to internals, but hey breaking your legs anyway will hurt as fk in the end.
It is torturous but it’s the price you pay to get taller. Don’t be a pussy after you break your legs; the worst thing than a short man is a stupid short man who didnt realize this is going to be the most painful experience you'll ever have. And it is. But you man up and get used to the daily pain.
Take this extremely serious like your life depends on it: stretch, follow instructions, and eat. This will help you 50% of the way. The other 50% is pain killers and patience. It’s not easy. But for me, being short was worse. I'm trading physical pain for existential pain.
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Small update.
Sunday June 20 - 37 days since surgery - ~35±1mm gained
Pain: none in the last 4-5 days. Like 1-2 small spikes on my knees and pinsites but generally none. I take 1 novalgin a day (usually at night to make sure I sleep soundlessly). Infection pains are a nightmare so I try to stay super hygenic.
Knee bending: https://imgur.com/a/HTsEmmg - 1st pic is near-max rom with strain. 2nd pic is slightly uncomfortable. 90*s is normal now.
I’m beginning to realize my limited rom is 1000% my fault; after watching the latest Cyborg4Life interview I really accepted that I haven’t been stretching at all. Like 10-20 mins a day is hardly enough. The doctor recommends 3-4 hours minimum and I’ve been seriously slacking.
I’ve updated my stretching exercises accordingly: hold the stretch for 12-16 seconds, rest for 2-3 seconds, repeat 10 times with increasing force (try harder). It gets almost painfully tense, but that's the only way to really improve. This is 1 set; repeat 3-4 times with 1-2 mins resting between sets. This helped my knee ROM quite a bit in just two days (+5-10 degrees - compare new pic to old ones). This also helps a f*ck ton with knee stiffness pain.
I will stop in about 12-13 days when I reach 50mm. Extremely looking forward to stop lengthening and getting these leg-cuffs removed; these will greatly help my recovery. I have also made the executive decision to get my nails removed in the US. PM me if you have any questions as always.
I am glad that the pain level is now less for you.
Regarding, the holding of stretch for 12-16 seconds, my physiotherapist said to hold the stretch for atleast 30 seconds, preferably 1 minute, with 3 repetitions. This is the minimum required time for the muscle to stretch and elongate.
I wish you the best of luck in the further process.
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I am glad that the pain level is now less for you.
Regarding, the holding of stretch for 12-16 seconds, my physiotherapist said to hold the stretch for atleast 30 seconds, preferably 1 minute, with 3 repetitions. This is the minimum required time for the muscle to stretch and elongate.
I wish you the best of luck in the further process.
Hey man thank you for the advice - I'll give it a try!! 👍
I think both methods get >90 seconds, but holding it for 30 whole seconds sounds like a real challenge.
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It is torturous but it’s the price you pay to get taller. Don’t be a pussy after you break your legs; the worst thing than a short man is a stupid short man who didnt realize this is going to be the most painful experience you'll ever have. And it is. But you man up and get used to the daily pain.
Take this extremely serious like your life depends on it: stretch, follow instructions, and eat. This will help you 50% of the way. The other 50% is pain killers and patience. It’s not easy. But for me, being short was worse. I'm trading physical pain for existential pain.
Hey absolutely that's what i meant,precise,or lon you break your legs at the end of the day,pain is here for sure,i was really going to wait for stryde to be extra safe,but i just can't afford being crippled for a year almost,LON is stryde with externals fixators and a hell of a post-op reality for sure,but hey,if it only last 3 months...
Did you met with other patients ? I wonder how well Buldu's patients recover after several months post op
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Hey absolutely that's what i meant,precise,or lon you break your legs at the end of the day,pain is here for sure,i was really going to wait for stryde to be extra safe,but i just can't afford being crippled for a year almost,LON is stryde with externals fixators and a hell of a post-op reality for sure,but hey,if it only last 3 months...
Did you met with other patients ? I wonder how well Buldu's patients recover after several months post op
You have the wrong idea, the fixators are a torture contraption. Between pinsite infection and knee/hip pains and not being able to sleep comfortably the whole duration etc, it’s a nightmare. You will want to quit by your 2-3 week post op. Every day is a struggle to keep going for me
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You have the wrong idea, the fixators are a torture contraption. Between pinsite infection and knee/hip pains and not being able to sleep comfortably the whole duration etc, it’s a nightmare. You will want to quit by your 2-3 week post op. Every day is a struggle to keep going for me
I'm not saying it's easy man,i'm just considering all the options here,what would you trade ? LON as you are doing now,or precise for at least twice the duration and a lesser recovery ? Imagine not being able to walk with confidence for almost a year,with LON even though i really understand that pain and comfort are ,you'll be able to walk and consolidate properly in less than 3 months,that's worth considering
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I'm not saying it's easy man,i'm just considering all the options here,what would you trade ? LON as you are doing now,or precise for at least twice the duration and a lesser recovery ? Imagine not being able to walk with confidence for almost a year,with LON even though i really understand that pain and comfort are ,you'll be able to walk and consolidate properly in less than 3 months,that's worth considering
If I weighed 200 pounds I still would have went with precice, my personal opinion however
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I would not do precise; I’m too heavy and I want to return to normal life as fast as possible. It’s a trade off you need to make.
I am only doing 5cm so I will be pretty ok in 2-3 months, I hope. This is way better than one whole year.
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If I weighed 200 pounds I still would have went with precice, my personal opinion however
I'm going through your journal again man,really sorry for your complication,i hope you're better now that you have your family around to support you,although tbh if it was me,i would have stayed near the doctor with all the assistants,if i go with Buldu i'm probably going to take his package to be taking care off from day one,i'll keep following your progress,wish you nothing but the best man
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I'm going through your journal again man,really sorry for your complication,i hope you're better now that you have your family around to support you,although tbh if it was me,i would have stayed near the doctor with all the assistants,if i go with Buldu i'm probably going to take his package to be taking care off from day one,i'll keep following your progress,wish you nothing but the best man
I appreciate it, i feel that I’m far better off where I am however
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I would not do precise; I’m too heavy and I want to return to normal life as fast as possible. It’s a trade off you need to make.
I am only doing 5cm so I will be pretty ok in 2-3 months, I hope. This is way better than one whole year.
Yes,i agree,i'm really leaning more towards LON right now,i have mobility,uncomfortability,but for only 3 months,and after that being able to weight bear and have significantly better recovery,and be able to have a normal life a year after op,but if i'm doing this i'm aiming for 6/7cm minimum for sure
How are you now ? It's been what,a month post op,how is pain,mobility ? Is it better overall as time pass ?
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I appreciate it, i feel that I’m far better off where I am however
For sure,i was talking with a friend who did LL with Buldu a few months before you,he went through hell the first 3 weeks,and it kept going better after that,now he is recovering pretty well actually,walk 4km everyday,stretching and so on,with 6 months post op,it's quite good,i'm sure things are going to be better for you now,you've been through the worst imo,just keep in touch with the doc for a good follow up
Can i ask you guys how much is that package,i heard 20 or 22k,is it possible to get lower price if you get in touch with Buldu in person ?
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Yes,i agree,i'm really leaning more towards LON right now,i have mobility,uncomfortability,but for only 3 months,and after that being able to weight bear and have significantly better recovery,and be able to have a normal life a year after op,but if i'm doing this i'm aiming for 6/7cm minimum for sure
How are you now ? It's been what,a month post op,how is pain,mobility ? Is it better overall as time pass ?
You can read the diary for the details. First three weeks are hell, but for the last week I have been 95% painfree. I’ve had pain spikes of about 1-3(rarely) that last 2 minutes, otherwise I’ve been very well this week.
I started stretching 1-2 hours a day and it has helped me recover a lot of mobility and flexibility. If you do not stretch like it is your job, you will always be in pain. You will also walk out of here unable to bend your knees and ankles. Again, if you do LON femurs, you need to stretch 1-3 hours a day minimum.
I’m taking my fixaters off in 8 or so days. I’m looking forward to returning to life with my two inches at 177ish.
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Congrats bro,177cm is a solid height imo,with good shoes you can claim 6ft quite easily
How was your flexibility before the surgery ? Did you train to prepare yourself ? Did you stretch during your first 3 weeks ? Do you have any advice on how to prepare before doing that surgery ?
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Congratulations! I bet you feel amazing at your new height!
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Congratulations! I bet you feel amazing at your new height!
Congrats bro,177cm is a solid height imo,with good shoes you can claim 6ft quite easily
How was your flexibility before the surgery ? Did you train to prepare yourself ? Did you stretch during your first 3 weeks ? Do you have any advice on how to prepare before doing that surgery ?
Thanks for the kind words both, but it's not over until the fixater is yanked out. This is not going to be a simple process- I heard it can be a 10/10 painful process.
Do non-strentgth yoga for a month or two before hand. Get used to stretching your back, hamstrings, quads, and calfs. I didn't stretch enough. Either way you'll be doing it here.
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Thanks for the kind words both, but it's not over until the fixater is yanked out. This is not going to be a simple process- I heard it can be a 10/10 painful process.
Do non-strentgth yoga for a month or two before hand. Get used to stretching your back, hamstrings, quads, and calfs. I didn't stretch enough. Either way you'll be doing it here.
Nothing will happen to muscle if you so stretching only before 1 or 2 month from surgery.
for flexibility at least 2 years stretching and for strength 6 month
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The only alternative i have is precise,which will keep me walking with a walker at best for almost a year,so the dilemna is quite big here,suffer with LON for 3 months and basically be with a stryde-like nail after that and be able to walk on my own 3-4 months after op,as stryde is not planning to come back anytime soon i'm gonna have to decide,but i can't afford be in bed for a full year basically
What do you mean about negotiate ? For the suffering,i'm pretty sure LON is quite a torture comparing to internals,but hey breaking your legs anyway will hurt as fk in the end.
What country are you coming from? If US. Get you some Bendadryl and zzquil before you come out here. Those will help you get at least 4hrs of sleep per night. If you can get your hands on some vicodine and or Tylenol 3 with codeine. I would advise that as well. The pain killers here are literally Tylenol strength.
That being said, if you are going to consider LON. It will be the hardest thing you have ever done. Hands down. You will cry on a few occasions during. The regret is gonna be every other day and the Pain will be the worst pain. LON WHILE it is affordable in my opinion is NOT conventional, bruh Lol the pain is NO JOKE...some days you’ll feel absolutely Nothing tbh just the inconvenient and then the next day you may be in excruciating pain.
I Do believe ANYONE CAN DO IT.
As painful as it is, it is quite TOLERABLE..but...the sh8t is is 100% No joke Y DF did I do this level pain every other days at least.
If you have family support. Negotiate the price/package, get the surgery wait here three weeks and Go back Home... Knowing what I Know now that is what I would have done.
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I'm not saying it's easy man,i'm just considering all the options here,what would you trade ? LON as you are doing now,or precise for at least twice the duration and a lesser recovery ? Imagine not being able to walk with confidence for almost a year,with LON even though i really understand that pain and comfort are ,you'll be able to walk and consolidate properly in less than 3 months,that's worth considering
I would have loved to have never known this type of pain, and I’ve broken my arms from a motorcycle accident. I would choose any other method 10/10 times before I would do LON AGAIN.
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What I understand, you chose LON with about 10 days of hotel and some physiotherapy sessions for 15k EUROS, that does not include the extraction of the fixatives, right? And that the package that includes the hotel, all the physiotherapy and all the care in general is at 20k euros, including removal of fixatives correct?If so, it would not seem like a bad idea to pay 5000 EUROS more, even knowing that you have to pay the 2500 $ for the extraction of the fixatives (which I doubt is included in the price of 15k) which in the end would rise to $ 17,500 in total. But the prices really confuse me, is it really possible to negotiate this surgery? or to what extent? In another publication I saw that the LON package with only surgery was at 16k and the other package that includes hotel and all care was at 22k, in the end 2k or 3k make a lot of difference. (sorry for my english)
and thanks for sharing such good information, good luck guys. :)
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What country are you coming from? If US. Get you some Bendadryl and zzquil before you come out here. Those will help you get at least 4hrs of sleep per night. If you can get your hands on some vicodine and or Tylenol 3 with codeine. I would advise that as well. The pain killers here are literally Tylenol strength.
That being said, if you are going to consider LON. It will be the hardest thing you have ever done. Hands down. You will cry on a few occasions during. The regret is gonna be every other day and the Pain will be the worst pain. LON WHILE it is affordable in my opinion is NOT conventional, bruh Lol the pain is NO JOKE...some days you’ll feel absolutely Nothing tbh just the inconvenient and then the next day you may be in excruciating pain.
I Do believe ANYONE CAN DO IT.
As painful as it is, it is quite TOLERABLE..but...the sh8t is is 100% No joke Y DF did I do this level pain every other days at least.
If you have family support. Negotiate the price/package, get the surgery wait here three weeks and Go back Home... Knowing what I Know now that is what I would have done.
Do you really believe Precise would be way less painful than LON ? I mean for sure the fixators must be annoying asf,and cause additionnal pain for sure,but the advantage i see for going with LON is really the recovery part,which seems to be like stryde overall,being able to walk on your own a few weeks after the surgery,and walk properly after fixators removal is a huge advantage for the recovery process,a year after operation,with proper diet and training you can be quite confident to get back most of your pre op condition,walk,start to run again and so on,but with precise you'll probably using crutches even a year after,that's a huge commitment,and right now i would only trade LON for stryde,but it's apparently not coming back anytime soon,maybe 2 years from now,that's why i'm seriously considering LON,living hell for 3 months as bad as it sounds is better than precise for more than a year
Yea i'll probably take some painkillers from here ( Europe ),before going to Turkey and planning a proper diet and training,with supplements and stuff,that's why i'm trying to learn as much as i can from you guys,thanks for your diairies i learn a lot
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Can you people please have this conversation somewhere else
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@ PerfectBody.
You wrote you drink whey protein in the morning and casein protein at night. Is it possible to only drink casein protein - that is casein protein in the morning and casein protein at night?
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Do you really believe Precise would be way less painful than LON ? I mean for sure the fixators must be annoying asf,and cause additionnal pain for sure,but the advantage i see for going with LON is really the recovery part,which seems to be like stryde overall,being able to walk on your own a few weeks after the surgery,and walk properly after fixators removal is a huge advantage for the recovery process,a year after operation,with proper diet and training you can be quite confident to get back most of your pre op condition,walk,start to run again and so on,but with precise you'll probably using crutches even a year after,that's a huge commitment,and right now i would only trade LON for stryde,but it's apparently not coming back anytime soon,maybe 2 years from now,that's why i'm seriously considering LON,living hell for 3 months as bad as it sounds is better than precise for more than a year
Yea i'll probably take some painkillers from here ( Europe ),before going to Turkey and planning a proper diet and training,with supplements and stuff,that's why i'm trying to learn as much as i can from you guys,thanks for your diairies i learn a lot
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Saturday June 26 - 43 days since surgery - ~38.5±1mm gained
Xrays - https://imgur.com/a/UpN2HQX
Pain - Until late last night, nearly 0 for the last 10 days. Late last night I had a hard time sleeping, very uncomfortable. I tried bending my knees, and i felt a tear above my right knee. My right shin then became numb/tingly/hot when touched. I suspect nerve damage. People here say it's normal and it'll be ok in about 2 weeks. Welp. So much for that streak. Shin gets fiery when rubbed - like a 2/10. Otherwise I'm ok.
Tightness - I've been stretching 2-3 hours/day, and it helps a lot. Does not help prevent morning stiffness of course, since I'm continuously lengthening. It really sucks, because I'm working really hard just to maintain flexibility/mobility, not even to regain anything I lost. That's just how it is.
I'm disappointed at my xrays - I expected to be about ~41mm because I had been lengthening at 1.25 for 20 days. Those 3mm are definitely negligible, but I still wish I had them. At the rate I was going at, I was hoping to stop at exactly 50mm. However the bone healing looks pretty amazing; my right leg callous looks like it's forming beautifully. My left leg is a little questionable.
Either way I will stop lengthening after this coming Friday (June 2nd) - I've had enough of this. I genuinely want to return to life asap, and do so safely and in good health. I can already feel early stages of lordosis developing, my ass going flat, my calfs ultra tight. I don't want to push my luck with my body/health. Above all, I feel extremely happy with my new 2 inches, or 177-178cm. I don't think it's worth risking my health just for 1-2 extra cm - that's very reckless/stupid to me.
If your body can take it, I'm jealous. Good for you.
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2-3 hours of stretching everyday ? On your own or with a physiotherapist ? What do you think of the physio team there ? What kind of stretching are you doing ? Imo 177-178cm is a very solid height and a decent upgrade from 171cm
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2-3 hours of stretching everyday ? On your own or with a physiotherapist ? What do you think of the physio team there ? What kind of stretching are you doing ? Imo 177-178cm is a very solid height and a decent upgrade from 171cm
I try to stretch like you throughout a day but this is tiring lol
every LL patients loses their sleep at the end of distraction phase
just call it after june 2nd and comeback to finish the 3rd inch in 2-3 years, maybe
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2-3 hours of stretching everyday ? On your own or with a physiotherapist ? What do you think of the physio team there ? What kind of stretching are you doing ? Imo 177-178cm is a very solid height and a decent upgrade from 171cm
Thank you! I'm really happy about it. Here are my complete thoughts on stretches -
Stretches
Hamstrings - Any bending to your toes help you stretch you hamstrings and back. Your hamstrings are going to be tight hell real quick. After 2cm my hamstrings were utterly taught. Not fun!
Quads - You need these for bending and standing. Child's Pose (yoga pose) is a good and controlled way to stretch these out! I can't do the full thing, so I try to push myself as far back as I can.
Stretching duration - 2-3 hours. Note: Physical therapy does not count as stretching time
On your own (or help if you have it!). 15 mins before+after you lengthen (total: 2hrs). So you're not really doing anything while you distract apart from eat/sleep/maybe work - but work should not be your top priority; your recovery/physical health is! Try to stretch throughout the day, at least 4 additional 15 minute sessions(total: 3hrs). It sounds like a lot but this is our lives now. Resting time counts as stretching time.
Try to start early - I waited too long because of swelling+pain+infection. Now I lost a lot in terms of flexibility that I will have to struggle to regain later after distraction.
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just call it after june 2nd and comeback to finish the 3rd inch in 2-3 years, maybe
I'm content. I'd like to move towards the end of the LL journey
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I'm content. I'd like to move towards the end of the LL journey
how many gram of paracetamol are you on for the last 20 days, may I ask? and how many days in a row have you been on them too?
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how many gram of paracetamol are you on for the last 20 days, may I ask? and how many days in a row have you been on them too?
I stopped taking them 2 weeks ago; they aren’t super helpful. Maybe twice a day max when I used to. It’s not addictive, why do you ask?
I take novalgine once a day if I feel pain coming on (ie today).
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I wanna know if painkiller get less effective overtime. I'm on 350gr paracetamol before bed and can sleep for maybe 2-3 hours, this is bad for everything. I wonder, should I up the dose for better sleep. how many hours can you sleep per night?
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I wanna know if painkiller get less effective overtime. I'm on 350gr paracetamol before bed and can sleep for maybe 2-3 hours, this is bad for everything. I wonder, should I up the dose for better sleep. how many hours can you sleep per night?
Typically yes. But the painkillers they prescribe imo are nowhere near strong enough for the pain we’re experiencing. They’re the equivalence if Tylenol
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:-[ , LON femur is notoriously painful, even during my far less painful unilateral Internal nail femoral lengthening Paracetamol/Tylenol were not strong enough pain killers to give me any level of normal comfort or sleep.
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Typically yes. But the painkillers they prescribe imo are nowhere near strong enough for the pain we’re experiencing. They’re the equivalence if Tylenol
know, sad man, I bet we all do miss the time when we were normal, still gotta finish the mission
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Wednesday June 30 - 47 days since surgery - ~45±1mm gained
Exit surgery - scheduled for June 2nd! By then I should have reached 4.7cm, which is close enough to 5cm in my book. I don’t care for the remaining 3mm, lmao
The only pain I have is nerve pain. It bites extremely hard when I move my leg from a resting position (flat).
Flexibility is still but I can walk easily unassisted.. Penguin with a duck ass, but still walking. Today I went up stairs! Like 15 steps with crutches and hand rails. I definitely put a ton of my weight on the crutches and rails. Somebody recorded a video, I’ll post it when I can.
Very exited for this cursed process to come to an end. So tired of stretching 3 hours a day, Jesus
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Saturday July 2nd - 51 days since surgery - ~47±1mm gained
POST REMOVAL SURGERY!
Hi all, I just got back to the hotel. Yesterday was the fixater removal surgery. The procedure lasts about 1 hour, which is good because long surgeries tend to leave me super debilitated. I woke in the post-surgery room cold and in tremendous pain. The nurse gave me a shot of something to help me but it wasn't that helpful. I was wheeled back to my room (in pain) and waited what felt like an hour (in increasing pain) for painkillers.
This experience was utterly brutal, 9/10 pain. I was in bed howling in pain, begging for painkillers. Not sure why but they need consent to administer pain killer to me, but this happened last time too, and to other patients. After what felt like 30-60 minutes, the doctor's assistant visited me. 5 minutes later the nurse came in and administered two painkillers; one helped a little (made me drowsy) and the other one completely undid the pain. It was crazy effective! I didn't feel pain for the rest of the stay at the hospital. Morphine? Contramol? I'm not sure.
For the first time in a while I slept (almost) like a baby. I woke in 3-4 hour intervals but without pain or discomfort so I fell back asleep with no problem. It was an incredibly comfortable experience after the 1 hour of post-op hell, all things considered.
I'm back in my hotel room (about 14 hours after surgery) and am doing ok. Sometimes when I move I still feel the presence of the fixater. My legs are pretty damn swollen. Here's some pics: https://imgur.com/a/QhvKB9C - Sorry about my huge magnum dong
Right now I'm in my hotel room. Getting up is a scary challenge and I need to eat. I should also take a painkiller before my situation worsens. Welp
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Congrats man,take it easy from there for a few days to recover properly,when are you planning to go home ?
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Congrats man,take it easy from there for a few days to recover properly,when are you planning to go home ?
Thank you. The next few days won't be easy. I'm leaving on the week of July 19th - I have about 2 weeks here to recover.
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I'm well at the end of my goal in the first recovery stage, 3 days after removal. I heavily regret this. I don't care about my height anymore - so I guess my height dysphoria is cured.
I want to sleep sideways, I want my family and friends. I miss comfortably relaxing, working out, running, driving. It feels like these things are so fking far away.
It's 3 days after the removal (friday night) and I feel like my body is deteriorating. Hands and arms hurt, legs (obviously) hurt, spine is fked up, no ass. This procedure is fking awful.
I regret this.
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Give it some time dude,you went through the hardest,hopefully from now it's only going to get better,you might change your mind in a few weeks,i mean i know it's not going to help you right now,but i really wish you a good recovery,you lengthen a conservative amount,went hard into your physio and diet,i bet you're going to recover wonderfully
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I'm well at the end of my goal in the first recovery stage, 3 days after removal. I heavily regret this. I don't care about my height anymore - so I guess my height dysphoria is cured.
I want to sleep sideways, I want my family and friends. I miss comfortably relaxing, working out, running, driving. It feels like these things are so fking far away.
It's 3 days after the removal (friday night) and I feel like my body is deteriorating. Hands and arms hurt, legs (obviously) hurt, spine is fked up, no ass. This procedure is fking awful.
I regret this.
Thanks for the honest opinion on the surgery. Hope you get better. Road to recovery is coming. Honestly this surgery should not be taken lightly and only a last resort.
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The whole reason behind regretting this surgery is LON FEMUR. All the doctors in the world should stop LON femur
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Give it some time dude,you went through the hardest,hopefully from now it's only going to get better,you might change your mind in a few weeks,i mean i know it's not going to help you right now,but i really wish you a good recovery,you lengthen a conservative amount,went hard into your physio and diet,i bet you're going to recover wonderfully
Thanks. I know but it still feels terrible.
Thanks for the honest opinion on the surgery. Hope you get better. Road to recovery is coming. Honestly this surgery should not be taken lightly and only a last resort.
Personally I feel that it was - I've tried everything in life to find genuine happiness, from within rather than chasing hedonistic highs. A lot of my depression/sadness stemmed from my stature. 3 years of therapy, nice car, great job, friends, family. None of these were enough.
The whole reason behind regretting this surgery is LON FEMUR. All the doctors in the world should stop LON femur
Maybe. It's definitely not for everyone.
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If it can help you somehow,i had a friend who did LL with Buldu 6 months ago or so,and his condition is improving day after day,like a month after frames removal he was able to walk quite good,and now he walk something like 4km a day,ROM was a bit after surgery but he is getting it back every day,almost at 100 degrees nowadays
Even though precise or stryde would definitely bring way more comfort,in the end,you break your legs and after lenghtening your muscles and all soft tissues will need months to grew properly,to either methods you use,in the end it's quite the same in term of recovery,even much better than precise at least you can walk post op
Only good from here hopefully man,wish you all the best,imo the worst is over
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Thanks for the words of encouragement. How much did your friend lengthen?
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Hey,he lengthened 7.5cm,starting height around 164cm,he wasn't that much consistent with physiotherapy during the lenghtening and after removal fixators,after the surgery his ROM was really bad about 30-40 degrees,but with proper physio he is recovering pretty fast
And during the lenghtening,he didn't even really walk he was afraid to damage the nails somehow,but during consolidation phase he was able to walk properly,although his gait wasn't the best,it takes time,and watching how stryde patients are walking during consolidation,it's quite the same
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If it can help you somehow,i had a friend who did LL with Buldu 6 months ago or so,and his condition is improving day after day,like a month after frames removal he was able to walk quite good,and now he walk something like 4km a day,ROM was a bit after surgery but he is getting it back every day,almost at 100 degrees nowadays
Even though precise or stryde would definitely bring way more comfort,in the end,you break your legs and after lenghtening your muscles and all soft tissues will need months to grew properly,to either methods you use,in the end it's quite the same in term of recovery,even much better than precise at least you can walk post op
Only good from here hopefully man,wish you all the best,imo the worst is over
After 6 months if its 100° knee flexion that's mean your friend in trouble. He may need quadricepsplasty to improve knee ROM
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This guy lengthened past conservative/safe margins, and cant bend 6 months later. Not an encouraging example man.
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Hey mate, how’s recovery going now? Any improvement? Are you walking without aids at this stage? You should have a full recovery given the amount you lengthened so keep working hard man and you will be normal before you know it!
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He is doing fine overall,his ROM keep improving day after day,but as i said he was a bit lazy regarding his physiotherapy,even post op,since he start to actually do stretching and exercises on a daily basis a month or so after consolidation he made huge improvements
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Hey mate, how’s recovery going now? Any improvement? Are you walking without aids at this stage? You should have a full recovery given the amount you lengthened so keep working hard man and you will be normal before you know it!
I can penguin walk without aid. No pain, but tightness on quads if i sit for too long, and knees always problematic. The road will be long but there's no other path forward
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Small update - 12 days after fixater removal
Mood has improved. I think the opioids (contramol) had a negative affect on my mental health last week. However as my freedom/return to the US approaches my regret lingers; I can't walk normally or sit down/get up naturally. I 100% expected all of this, but confronting it in reality is a completely different beast.
I now walk without crutches a lot - they're more annoying than anything now. My walk is atrocious of course, but I'm happy that I'm not 100% dependent on crutches. I get tired very easily. Yesterday I walked 30 minutes at the lowest speed setting on the treadmill, and it got hard trying to stay at pace. Before this the 1 setting was almost insultingly slow - now it's almost too fast.
The physical therapists (in and out-house) help a lot with regaining movement. A lot of it is stretching/fixing muscles that haven't been used or are extremely and utterly tight because we couldn't work them out due to the fixater. Alone I'm a little scared to stretch by myself - my legs are extremely heavy and hard to move. This feels very injury prone if I do anything irregular. On top of that I don't want to do any movements that could disrupt healing. The pool has finally opened up in the hotel so I'm swimming/stretching in the water. It helps a lot.
I look forward to all the comfort that home brings. Especially the food.
To the people looking at Buldu for this surgery:
Go ahead, he's a really good surgeon.
The purpose of my blog and posts is not to smear the work being done here. The purpose of my posts is to give you a western, US-leaning perspective on my experience. LLT is good but they are not my choice for #1 clinical team out of those whom I have worked with. However for the price, this service will get the job done. Don't let me deter your decision. I understand that if you are seriously considering this operation you are in serious (mental, emotional) pain and you cannot afford the 100k price tag. This procedure can help cure those ailments.
This has not been easy, and it never will be, but it's the price you pay to do the impossible. Just be aware of how the culture/climate is in Turkey and how this team works. If you can stomach these problems, your experience here won't be as bad as it was for me.
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Was it the 90days Premium package you picked with Dr. Buldu? Did you manage to haggle down the price by 2k EUR, because it seems like the package is listed at 22k EUR?
Best of luck to you on your recovery, In less than one year, You can probably read about my painful journey at the same place...
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Was it the 90days Premium package you picked with Dr. Buldu? Did you manage to haggle down the price by 2k EUR, because it seems like the package is listed at 22k EUR?
Best of luck to you on your recovery, In less than one year, You can probably read about my painful journey at the same place...
Good luck. It's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life and many patients there can attest to this. I bought the surgery for 15k EUR and negotiated the package. I only stayed 2/3 months so I paid for a little less than 2/3.
Casual reminder: LON-Femur diaries that do not talk about how extremely, devastatingly painful it is 100% FAKE.
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Small update since my last post:
I'm approaching the 4-week mark after removal. My gait is wobbly but ok, it's getting better very quickly everyday. I am doing physical therapy by myself at home 2-3 times a day for 45 minutes. Hold the stretch for a total of 90 seconds for at least 30 second per rep. Repeat twice. Feels great after every time.
I walk without crutches unless I'm going outside. I only use 1 crutch for support/safety. Flexibility is terrible - I'm getting 105-110* bending. Extremely tight quads. Hamstrings are great. Hips are awful. I am stretching everything of course. I can scale stairs ok with one crutch.
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Thanks for the detailed journal. I was set to go this month but after reading I'm thinking of changing my mind. You think someone who's more of a loner would have a easier Time being there? I noticed guys who are used to home comforts have a harder time. I go months without seeing family from time to time. So 3 months for me would be a nothing. I just need Netflix and YouTube to keep me occupied. My concern is the pain. I thought they'd give something for that but it seems what they provide isn't good enough.
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Thanks for the detailed journal. I was set to go this month but after reading I'm thinking of changing my mind. You think someone who's more of a loner would have a easier Time being there? I noticed guys who are used to home comforts have a harder time. I go months without seeing family from time to time. So 3 months for me would be a nothing. I just need Netflix and YouTube to keep me occupied. My concern is the pain. I thought they'd give something for that but it seems what they provide isn't good enough.
Every with best pain medicine the discomfort itself will drive you crazy
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Thanks for the detailed journal. I was set to go this month but after reading I'm thinking of changing my mind. You think someone who's more of a loner would have a easier Time being there? I noticed guys who are used to home comforts have a harder time. I go months without seeing family from time to time. So 3 months for me would be a nothing. I just need Netflix and YouTube to keep me occupied. My concern is the pain. I thought they'd give something for that but it seems what they provide isn't good enough.
Bring a ton of sleeping medications, seriously. If you’re not a military/trained sleeper youlll need all the pain and sleeping meds in the world. Internet is absolute and you need vpn so don’t count on it.
Food is also absolute , at best a 2/10. I like Turkish food but you’re a patient at a hospital/hotel you don’t have many options.
This is doable but it’s very hard. My biggest regret, seriously, is not doing an extra 1-2 cm. But in the face of not even the pain, but just being in Turkey with bad internet and ty food (but of course also the pain and being immobilized) no thank you. I am very happy with my 5cm. If you are shorter than 17x cm before starting this surgery I heavily recommend doing at least 7cm. You don’t want to leave this with regrets.
You’re a loner? F*Kc off man, you’ll need to spend 100% of your time with the other patients. It’s the only thing that will help you, seriously. Company is key.
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Bring a ton of sleeping medications, seriously. If you’re not a military/trained sleeper youlll need all the pain and sleeping meds in the world. Internet is absolute and you need vpn so don’t count on it.
Food is also absolute , at best a 2/10. I like Turkish food but you’re a patient at a hospital/hotel you don’t have many options.
This is doable but it’s very hard. My biggest regret, seriously, is not doing an extra 1-2 cm. But in the face of not even the pain, but just being in Turkey with bad internet and ty food (but of course also the pain and being immobilized) no thank you. I am very happy with my 5cm. If you are shorter than 17x cm before starting this surgery I heavily recommend doing at least 7cm. You don’t want to leave this with regrets.
You’re a loner? F*Kc off man, you’ll need to spend 100% of your time with the other patients. It’s the only thing that will help you, seriously. Company is key.
Thanks bro. I'm just glad you got to the other side of it ok. I'll try to lengthen as long as I can tolerate. That will suck for me if the internet is bad.. lol. I was in turkey last year and had no cell service so I depended heavily on wifi.
As far as food, do they have delivery services like uber eats? Its actually kind of a good thing for me if the food is bad. I could stand to lose a few pounds.
I'm stacking up on the zzzquill and Tylenol PM. I just hope customs don't give me a hard time about it when traveling.
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Thanks bro. I'm just glad you got to the other side of it ok. I'll try to lengthen as long as I can tolerate. That will suck for me if the internet is bad.. lol. I was in turkey last year and had no cell service so I depended heavily on wifi.
As far as food, do they have delivery services like uber eats? Its actually kind of a good thing for me if the food is bad. I could stand to lose a few pounds.
I'm stacking up on the zzzquill and Tylenol PM. I just hope customs don't give me a hard time about it when traveling.
Yeah they have delivery services. Food is pretty cheap here too. Put those in your carry on and not your luggage, make sure they’re still sealed otherwise it will be trashed. So once you buy them don’t open until you get here.
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Yeah they have delivery services. Food is pretty cheap here too. Put those in your carry on and not your luggage, make sure they’re still sealed otherwise it will be trashed. So once you buy them don’t open until you get here.
Thanks bro, good thing you said something. I was planning on putting it in my luggage so they won't throw It away. I thought we couldn't bring liquids through the line when going through TSA.
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Thanks bro. I'm just glad you got to the other side of it ok. I'll try to lengthen as long as I can tolerate. That will suck for me if the internet is bad.. lol. I was in turkey last year and had no cell service so I depended heavily on wifi.
As far as food, do they have delivery services like uber eats? Its actually kind of a good thing for me if the food is bad. I could stand to lose a few pounds.
I'm stacking up on the zzzquill and Tylenol PM. I just hope customs don't give me a hard time about it when traveling.
How tall are you and what is your goal? Weird question but also what is your weight, and how muscular would you describe your legs from 1-10, where 10 is ultra-jacked body builder? Your muscularity will be the ultimate determining factor for your lengthening imo. Take it from me and 5footsomething, we're both pretty built and it was brutal for us - we had a lot more muscle and flesh to lengthen than the average skinny guy there.
Bring protein powder for muscle growth/health too - you'll be very tired all the time and whey will help your muscles maintain some energy/vitality. Put ALL of this (including sleeping+pain meds) on your check-in luggage.
In general don't rely on the LLT team helping you as much as you'd like - they're there to make sure you don't drop dead and provide some guidance, but in general this is 99% you supporting yourself. There's an app they use to get food and it's ok. Bring a laptop so you can automatically google translate everything.
One way or another, this experience will turn you into a man. Like I said, I do kind-of regret not pushing for an extra 1-2cm, but if I were doing it again I would still not push past 5cm. Please keep in mind - this sort of regret exists in all cosmetic surgery patients who recovery successfully because they will always wonder why they didn't push for more (thinner nose, bigger boobs, etc). Maybe Tibias later (LOL) but that's all my body would let me do for now. I wouldn't even call it regret, just curiosity. I don't regret having done this surgery and the amount I lengthened. Just a lingering desire, I guess.
The good news is that my recovery is perfectly fine - I can walk better 1 month after fixater removal than anybody who did 7-8cm 6 months after they removed it. In some ways it really feels like I cheated/got away very lucky from this.
This is not easy. Good luck ,have fun.
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How tall are you and what is your goal? Weird question but also what is your weight, and how muscular would you describe your legs from 1-10, where 10 is ultra-jacked body builder? Your muscularity will be the ultimate determining factor for your lengthening imo. Take it from me and 5footsomething, we're both pretty built and it was brutal for us - we had a lot more muscle and flesh to lengthen than the average skinny guy there.
Bring protein powder for muscle growth/health too - you'll be very tired all the time and whey will help your muscles maintain some energy/vitality. Put ALL of this (including sleeping+pain meds) on your check-in luggage.
In general don't rely on the LLT team helping you as much as you'd like - they're there to make sure you don't drop dead and provide some guidance, but in general this is 99% you supporting yourself. There's an app they use to get food and it's ok. Bring a laptop so you can automatically google translate everything.
One way or another, this experience will turn you into a man. Like I said, I do kind-of regret not pushing for an extra 1-2cm, but if I were doing it again I would still not push past 5cm. Please keep in mind - this sort of regret exists in all cosmetic surgery patients who recovery successfully because they will always wonder why they didn't push for more (thinner nose, bigger boobs, etc). Maybe Tibias later (LOL) but that's all my body would let me do for now. I wouldn't even call it regret, just curiosity. I don't regret having done this surgery and the amount I lengthened. Just a lingering desire, I guess.
The good news is that my recovery is perfectly fine - I can walk better 1 month after fixater removal than anybody who did 7-8cm 6 months after they removed it. In some ways it really feels like I cheated/got away very lucky from this.
This is not easy. Good luck ,have fun.
Thanks for the info. Are you back home already? not sure if You mentioned it or not. And that's pretty awesome that you feel good. Whats important is that your health is in tact and you are taller than you were previous so I'd call the a success.
I am 5'8", and my goal is to be 5'11". I will also be getting me legs straightened. I am knock knee'd. I'm 185 lbs. My goal weight is 155-160. I'm hoping I could lose some weight during my stay in turkey. I won't be as tempted with not having the convenience of a corner store to by snacks etc. I'd say 5.5 as far as my legs go. they aren't super muscular but not scrawny either.
I already have 2 tubs of protein to bring with me. I also will be bringing supplements for micros and also supps to support collagen and bone growth. I planned to bring my laptop already. Was gonna bring my fire stick but not sure if the apps will work in a different country.
I also found a travel leg and foot massager that wraps around the foot up to the knees. I got this because I heard of people having shin and ankle pains and numbing during the lengthening process. Heat is good for blood circulation to promote healing and the massage function is just the cherry on top.
I'm preparing for the pain. I was searching to score some "good pills" before the trip but its very hard and super expensive without prescription. Hopefully I can walk away from this with no regrets as well. I will aim for 8cm, but if it becomes too much I will stop.
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Thanks for the info. Are you back home already? not sure if You mentioned it or not. And that's pretty awesome that you feel good. Whats important is that your health is in tact and you are taller than you were previous so I'd call the a success.
Thanks. Yes I am home and well. I scale (with support) 4 flights of stairs 2-3x daily to get in/out of my apartment. Things are looking good.
I am 5'8", and my goal is to be 5'11". I will also be getting me legs straightened. I am knock knee'd. I'm 185 lbs. My goal weight is 155-160. I'm hoping I could lose some weight during my stay in turkey. I won't be as tempted with not having the convenience of a corner store to by snacks etc. I'd say 5.5 as far as my legs go. they aren't super muscular but not scrawny either.
Aim for 7cm, it sounds like you will struggle past 5cm. Remember, every cm past 4-5 becomes harder exponentially. And only tiny dudes with no body-muscle really make it to 8cm. The average dropout is 7-7.5cm.
I already have 2 tubs of protein to bring with me. I also will be bringing supplements for micros and also supps to support collagen and bone growth. I planned to bring my laptop already. Was gonna bring my fire stick but not sure if the apps will work in a different country.
I also found a travel leg and foot massager that wraps around the foot up to the knees. I got this because I heard of people having shin and ankle pains and numbing during the lengthening process. Heat is good for blood circulation to promote healing and the massage function is just the cherry on top.
The reason people's ankle/shins hurt is because they're lying in bed with 10lb weights surgically stuck to their legs with broken bones. Your heels will drag across the fabric and after several hours will blister. Just ask for ice packs and put them under your heels. Or on your shins sometimes to deal with nerve/muscle pain.
Also for the love of f*cking god, you're doing this to get taller not skinnier. Hard stop, that's all you are doing. If you want to stop eating, enjoy 0 bone formation. You need 1k calorie surplus for each broken bone in your body if you want to heal. Do not bring up your f*ck-witted diet aspirations, you're in an extreme medical procedure. Jfc. Please take this deadly serious, your legs depend on it. Good luck man, dont skimp on food. You'll be fine.
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Also for the love of f*cking god, you're doing this to get taller not skinnier. Hard stop, that's all you are doing. If you want to stop eating, enjoy 0 bone formation. You need 1k calorie surplus for each broken bone in your body if you want to heal. Do not bring up your f*ck-witted diet aspirations, you're in an extreme medical procedure. Jfc. Please take this deadly serious, your legs depend on it. Good luck man, dont skimp on food. You'll be fine.
Woah.. you need to calm down there buddy.. you gotta learn to use your words bruh.. fk witted? Don't bring it up to who, you? Sure I won't bring it up to YOU..anyway.. I've already been dropping weight already. I eat far more than I should now. I'll do research on the info you gave me though about eating 1k calorie surplus to heal. I'll also ask Dr. Baldu about that. Thanks for the tip about the heels. I would have never thought of that. this gonna be and uncomfortable time for sure.
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Don't tell anybody to calm down, pipsqueak.
If you can't handle somebody calling your plans to "lose weight" while healing a double osteotomy stupid, which it is, then I recommend you toughen the f*ck up. Look up the Vietnamese guy who can't lengthen after 4.5cm. He's on this forum, check his diet and bone formation xrays. This is not meant to insult your character - this is genuinely a very bad idea.
You're about to go to a foreign country to get your legs broken, and you will be beyond handicapped for 2+ months. All of this alone. If you're getting offended on a forum, you don't stand a chance. This is coming from a place of brotherly kindness and love: my ultimate recommendation for you is to grow a pair of balls before you do this. I cannot stress how mentally and physically tough this is.
Looking forward to reading about your experience while you're in the hospital after surgery. Good luck man.
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Don't tell anybody to calm down, pipsqueak.
If you can't handle somebody calling your plans to "lose weight" while healing a double osteotomy stupid, which it is, then I recommend you toughen the f*ck up. Look up the Vietnamese guy who can't lengthen after 4.5cm. He's on this forum, check his diet and bone formation xrays. This is not meant to insult your character - this is genuinely a very bad idea.
You're about to go to a foreign country to get your legs broken, and you will be beyond handicapped for 2+ months. All of this alone. If you're getting offended on a forum, you don't stand a chance. This is coming from a place of brotherly kindness and love: my ultimate recommendation for you is to grow a pair of balls before you do this. I cannot stress how mentally and physically tough this is.
Looking forward to reading about your experience while you're in the hospital after surgery. Good luck man.
Not getting offended at all. your delivery is just disrespectful. I don't even let my mom talk to me like that, let alone some rando I don't know and never met. Your just weird man, that outburst came out of no where. who does that in a normal conversation? lol.. And I just said I want to eat better since I eat junk and hopefully drop weight while doing so. But you went the, let me be a di.ck for no reason route. I'm a grown ass man. Of course I'd take issue with a total stranger coming at me like that.. You talking sh*t behind the safety of a computer. So my balls are non-existent because I don't like a total stranger talking to me sideways? I think you was the short kid that got bullied and living out your dreams to be big and bad online. You should Have stayed a little longer in Istanbul. I'd would have LOVED to meet you face to face in Turkey when I got there later this month so we can have the same chat like we're having on line now to see how much "brotherly kindness" you'd like to give out to me in the flesh ;D
Learn to act normal.. That response was so left field. I don't know if you have an issue understanding social cues or not but that's not how you talk to someone if you disagree or truly concerned. Your a 30 year old man talking reckless on here far worse than our younger counterparts. But say no more..I'll keep my distance from you on here, because I don't fu.ck with disrespectful people who can't be normal and have a conversation.... No more need to be said..And Trust me, my Balls are HUGE... BBC Certified..Thanks for the good luck tho. 8)
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..And Trust me, my Balls are HUGE... BBC Certified..
Big black... huh? :o
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Hey man, don't overdo this.
Eat plenty natural, whole foods. That's enough to set your body in a solid path to recovery. Vitamins, exercise, and supplements will ensure your bones heal with no problems. Anything extra won't help. Just let your body do the rest. Believe it or not this is not very complicated. Your body is an insane machine capable of crazy things.
Also:
I don't mean to praise Buldu's success in every post, but there's this one maniac here who achieved 8.5cm on femurs in about 58ish days. Towards the end of his lengthening process he was lengthening at 1.75mm/day with no problem, no nerve issues, and bone consolidation at a very fast rate. As a matter of fact I believe the doctor encouraged him to do so because his bones were consolidating too quickly. I have no idea how he did it, but he did. The guy is made out of steel I guess. Next week he's going to do his Tibias. Not sure what his diet strategy is.
Some people have no issues/pain with this - unfortunately I'm not one of them ??? But yeah everybody is different.
That's amazing, dude. 1.75mm/d is way faster than recommended speed. And he had no nerve issues, and bone consolidation at a very fast rate? it will be so kind of you to share his diet strategy here.
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That's amazing, dude. 1.75mm/d is way faster than recommended speed. And he had no nerve issues, and bone consolidation at a very fast rate? it will be so kind of you to share his diet strategy here.
I have no idea what he was eating. In general people eat a lot; I hung out in his room and he didn't seem to have a hard-core strategy like I did. He was super young (~19), flexible and very lean. Keep in mind he went on to do tibias 2 weeks later.
Not suffering severe nerve pain was very beneficial to him. I do not advice following in his steps - it's very abnormal/lucky. Seriously, 1.25mm/day is good enough if you can handle it.
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Hi PerfectBody! I hope you are recovering well in the US! Any update on your gait approx. 1 month since your first update? Has it improved? Do you still feel pain when walking/resting?
I am planning on having ~4cm LON on my femurs (178cm -> 182cm). I am aware of the fact that it will be super painful and willing to suffer for those centimeters also I am not in a financial position to have Stryde.. Will also be having the procedure with Dr. Buldu. Since I will be done with university in Spring 2022 I will have around 3 months of vacations and will be using that time for the lengthening. My question is did you feel able to walk (moderately) and study/work during consolidation phase? I am supposed to do an internship beginning of September (office work), do you think it will be too soon for me?
I wish you a very good and safe recovery and appreciate the effort you put in to keep this log.
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Koutaba, good questions. From the perspective of somebody who did 5cm/2 inches: do MORE. This is not worth the pain, money, and time for only 4cm.
You will not notice a difference until 2inches. Honesty for me even, it’s hard to notice a difference and sometimes I wish I manned the f*ck up and did at least 6-7cm. It’s suffering beyond your understanding and you don’t want to waste that time regretting it later.
As for recovery time, that’s not enough to return to normal. After 3 months (start to now) I can walk with a slight drop foot (legs are still a little tight). If you do less than me then obviously you’ll recover faster but I did the bare minimum for “feeling taller”. I would not recommend doing less than 5cm. Plan for a total of 4 months for a complete recovery for anything 5cm or less.
Working was really hard. 30-40% productivity during lengthening. Stretching, eating, and resting are your main objectives. Buldu’s a good doctor, you’re in good hands. Good luck, stay strong, and try to stay happy. Your mental/emotional capacity is as important as your physical shape.
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Hi man, good to see ur fixators finally off! At this point have you started seeing benefits to your added height yet? Or do you still have any regrets at the moment? How long do you forsee to being able to walk normally without assistance? Thanks for reading!
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Hi man, good to see ur fixators finally off! At this point have you started seeing benefits to your added height yet? Or do you still have any regrets at the moment? How long do you forsee to being able to walk normally without assistance? Thanks for reading!
~1 month since removal.
Honestly it's hard for me to gauge my new height since I'm not completely integrated into society yet. I can walk up and down stairs without assistance.
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Was it worth it to you?
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yes
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Hi PerfectBody! I hope you are recovering well in the US! Any update on your gait approx. 1 month since your first update? Has it improved? Do you still feel pain when walking/resting?
I am planning on having ~4cm LON on my femurs (178cm -> 182cm). I am aware of the fact that it will be super painful and willing to suffer for those centimeters also I am not in a financial position to have Stryde.. Will also be having the procedure with Dr. Buldu. Since I will be done with university in Spring 2022 I will have around 3 months of vacations and will be using that time for the lengthening. My question is did you feel able to walk (moderately) and study/work during consolidation phase? I am supposed to do an internship beginning of September (office work), do you think it will be too soon for me?
I wish you a very good and safe recovery and appreciate the effort you put in to keep this log.
You will see no benefit in doing 4cm. Frankly they’ll look at you funny if you come in wanting to do 4. Shoot for nothing less than 65mm which is rough 2.54inches. 7CM if you can. As perfectbody said there is no value in going through all that agony for 4cm. Regardless of how much you lengthen each person is different so recovery will vary but I think a good 2months after should have you walking fine, maybe not all the way proper.
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Yeah 4cm is stupid as s*** minimum do 6cm, or 5 if you’re really conservative but anything less not worth the suffering for sure
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First, thank you for your input PerfectBody, really appreciate the details you gave me! Also, and this is for Fiveandsomething, I am not looking to achieve great heights or be the tallest I can get - just want to safely lengthen to the point where "tall" seems to start (which in my opinion begins at ~181cm). Sure I will look noticeably shorter than say 6'3 but won't be dwarfed by people this tall. IMO, doing 4cm will allow for a smoother and safer recovery and will not compromise my proportions much. Regarding the "they will look at you funny", whatever. I am the one who's paying for it and since that is what I really want and believe will cure my slight height dysphoria, I don't really care what doctors/staff will think of me. TBH I don't really like being subject to comments such as Activatedxx's as his comment had basically no argument in it. If you want to debate with me I would like a more genuine approach as opposed to being judgmental. I am here to make myself feel better about myself and even if only 1cm is what I need to be content, it is what it is.
Since this is PerfectBody's journal, please feel free to send me a private message if you want to elaborate on your point :)
PerfectBody, was the tremendous pain you were feeling during distraction still there even after monorails removal or did it go away? Like you my thighs are quite big so I am expecting more or less the same pain intensity as you've experienced. Also, How are you man? Any progress on your gait since we last talked? Wishing you a smooth recovery, you deserve it :)
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So bro, it sounds like you’re already tall and you’re doing this just to feel taller. Neither of us can speak for that because we were suffering from existential height neurosis. You’re already living a what seems to be a really good life. I have a strong feeling that you might seriously regret this procedure once you’re doing it. Not trying to scare you away, but to do this you need to really need it - like your life depends on it. I couldn’t find internal happiness at my stature; a lot of therapy, material wealth, and friends wasn’t enough. I dont know your situation, but make sure you’re mentally prepared for this! :)
Thanks for checking in. My life’s back to normal, I’m walking fine. I’m also extremely happy and excited for the future. After all that torment, I feel like I can fistfight god lol.
Pain left almost immediately after removal (however surgery pain lasted like 5 days but some people report less). Stride has gotten amazingly better after 1 month removal (your progress improves rapidly for small lengthening).
Good luck, keep us posted if you decide to go forward with it. It’s gonna be a real b*tch but if it’s what you need, do it!
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First, thank you for your input PerfectBody, really appreciate the details you gave me! Also, and this is for Fiveandsomething, I am not looking to achieve great heights or be the tallest I can get - just want to safely lengthen to the point where "tall" seems to start (which in my opinion begins at ~181cm). Sure I will look noticeably shorter than say 6'3 but won't be dwarfed by people this tall. IMO, doing 4cm will allow for a smoother and safer recovery and will not compromise my proportions much. Regarding the "they will look at you funny", whatever. I am the one who's paying for it and since that is what I really want and believe will cure my slight height dysphoria, I don't really care what doctors/staff will think of me. TBH I don't really like being subject to comments such as Activatedxx's as his comment had basically no argument in it. If you want to debate with me I would like a more genuine approach as opposed to being judgmental. I am here to make myself feel better about myself and even if only 1cm is what I need to be content, it is what it is.
Since this is PerfectBody's journal, please feel free to send me a private message if you want to elaborate on your point :)
PerfectBody, was the tremendous pain you were feeling during distraction still there even after monorails removal or did it go away? Like you my thighs are quite big so I am expecting more or less the same pain intensity as you've experienced. Also, How are you man? Any progress on your gait since we last talked? Wishing you a smooth recovery, you deserve it :)
There’s no argument in my comment because it’s your best interest bud
Coming from people that have been through the process 4cm is really not your best interest but it is your choice
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Brief (psychotic*) update:
Everything is going well. I did xrays 3 weeks ago and the callous was entering the bulbous stage where the callous is way thicker/swollen than the original bone. My walking gait is 90% back to normal. I "can" run, but I am waiting another few weeks before I exert a lot more pressure on my bones like that. I'm healing way way better than I ever expected, and I'm very happy about my journey.
*here's the psychotic part: I want to go back to do more. I am saving up for summer 22 to do tibias and have my rod removed at the same time. Why? Because f*ck it, let's get this sh*t. Let's get this sh*t, let's get this sh*t. Yeeeeeeeeeeh. Seriously at 5'9.5 I am very happy, but I know I can be even happier at 5'11-6'. This is absolutely crazy and if I did this it would be for no other reason than a crazy power trip. My god it feels good. It feels good being incrementally taller, it feels good knowing I can get taller. I love the way my legs look now. In spite of everything I previously said or did, I really wish I did at least 7.5cm. After seeing my healing progress, you will and you can heal. Please don't go crazy and try 8-10cm. That's brutal. But 7cm and less? Absolutely.
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hmm, but how u got so much money? lol this be expensive as hell
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hmm, but how u got so much money? lol this be expensive as hell
I'm 30 years old in the US. I went to a cheap state school and majored in something that pays me a ton of money for very little work.
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I'm 30 years old in the US. I went to a cheap state school and majored in something that pays me a ton of money for very little work.
damn you win 8)
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Sincerely happy for your awesome recovery. We may cross paths in the summer of '22 :). It's either gonna be with Dr Inan or Dr Buldu. Both of their patients stay at the same hotel though
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Congrats on the recovery. Has anyone noticed the new height?
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Congrats on the recovery. Has anyone noticed the new height?
Only people very close to me, and at my previous heights. Family, roommates, and close friends - yes. Gym people at my old height - yes.
Dates have also been fruitful.
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I'm 30 years old in the US. I went to a cheap state school and majored in something that pays me a ton of money for very little work.
Is it tech related?
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Hey PerfectBody! Apologies for not getting back to you all this time - I rarely check my notifications on this site and had a lot of travelling this past month. Your recovery sounds very promising, SO happy for you man! Very impressed with your motivation and dedication. Please be careful and make sure your femurs are healthy again and that you are 100% able to do more on tibias before you pull the trigger on anything :)
It is true, I want to feel taller than I am right now. the majority of my male friends and family are taller than me (my father was 6ft) and it has started to f*ck with me even more once I moved to London and experienced the value people put on height in the west (I am from North Africa). Studies after studies show 85th percentile in 20-29 year old males in height at 183cm and 90th percentile at 184.9cm. I am already at 178-179cm naturally and tbh it would be really cool to be in the top 15% for height. That is the reason why I only want to go for 4-5cm. My thought process is that doing less will get me the best of both worlds - be legitimately tall and at the same time try to limit complications (short or long term) to the maximum. You said it yourself brother, you'd be really content at 5'11-6' and there is absolutely no reason to go for more unless height is the only factor you find important in life. The third reason why I am being conservative in the lengthening is the fact that I will be done with studying and will hopefully start work ~September 2022 so that gives me around 4 months to go ahead with the procedure. Let me know what you think. My english is not on point so please let me know if you don't understand something I wrote!
Enough talking about me, how are you? Has your gait improved since last month? How about your running? (would really be amazing if you could send me a little video of your current gait so I can more or less know what to expect 5 months after the procedure is done. If possible, of course). Also, would you recommend me booking more PT sessions than what's included in Dr Buldu's pack during distraction period or is doing 4 hours of daily stretching individually enough? Are you still doing PT sessions now?
Again, thanks a lot for all this precious information you are giving, very grateful and taking this as an opportunity to gather as much info as I can before I go ahead for the procedure. I might ask you more questions in the future if that's okay with you. If so, I'll pm you :) Have a great day my man
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@PerfectBody: just going to hijack your post for a bit mate, I know you're a legend and you want mind ;)
Peeps: Just arrived in Istanbul Turkey
Seeing one of the teams Monday (because my flight was delayed and I missed the Thursday slot).
First impressions: Istanbul is a lovely city. I had a would and a snoop past TZL suites and the hospital near that.
Hospitals look state of the art/ high end so I wouldn't worry about that. The whole place looks super legit.
I'm keen to see any peeps that are doing the process here now. You can cure your boredom and I can know a little more of what to expect win win!
Getting cooler FYI bring those jackets!
Cheers lads/ladets. Cheers PerfectBody!
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@PerfectBody: just going to hijack your post for a bit mate, I know you're a legend and you want mind ;)
Peeps: Just arrived in Istanbul Turkey
Seeing one of the teams Monday (because my flight was delayed and I missed the Thursday slot).
First impressions: Istanbul is a lovely city. I had a would and a snoop past TZL suites and the hospital near that.
Hospitals look state of the art/ high end so I wouldn't worry about that. The whole place looks super legit.
I'm keen to see any peeps that are doing the process here now. You can cure your boredom and I can know a little more of what to expect win win!
Getting cooler FYI bring those jackets!
Cheers lads/ladets. Cheers PerfectBody!
Congrats and good luck! Aim for the sky bud, and stay positive
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Hi OP. How much did procedure cost you?
How long after externals taken out can u walk without crutches?
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15k Euros
About 3-4 weeks for me. Took me 2-3 months to look more 'normal'
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Could we see how is your walking currently? I really hate my height but stories of people recovering from LL keeps me going
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Could we see how is your walking currently? I really hate my height but stories of people recovering from LL keeps me going
Go to live life taller's instagram page, I'm on there somewhere. They said I did 5.5 but it was only 5. Whoever is in charge of their social media is weird; just ignore it.
If you hate your height, just do it. Please don't live a life full of bullsh1t and regret. It's a really difficult process but believe me when I say if I had to do it again, I would have done it ASAP. 5'9 >> 5'7. I'm going to do it again to hit 5'11 out of pure greed. Tibia will hurt a ton more, but fk it yolo
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Go to live life taller's instagram page, I'm on there somewhere. They said I did 5.5 but it was only 5. Whoever is in charge of their social media is weird; just ignore it.
If you hate your height, just do it. Please don't live a life full of bullsh1t and regret. It's a really difficult process but believe me when I say if I had to do it again, I would have done it ASAP. 5'9 >> 5'7. I'm going to do it again to hit 5'11 out of pure greed. Tibia will hurt a ton more, but fk it yolo
congrats man. When do you plan to do tibia? Will you be going to Buldu again?
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hey perfectbody, why will tibia hurt more? the general consensus here and my personal experience is that femur hurts a lot more than tibia with externals..
also when are you planning to have your tibia done?
btw our gains would almost be similar,, i am doing 4.85cm on femur and tibia.. my final height will only be 5'8" though,,
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congrats man. When do you plan to do tibia? Will you be going to Buldu again?
Probably spring-summer 2022. I want to remove my implants and do tibias simultaniously.
hey perfectbody, why will tibia hurt more? the general consensus here and my personal experience is that femur hurts a lot more than tibia with externals..
also when are you planning to have your tibia done?
btw our gains would almost be similar,, i am doing 4.85cm on femur and tibia.. my final height will only be 5'8" though,,
Tibias hurt more 1000%. Nobody who did it had an easy time, and I am really afraid of this . Do 6-7cm femur, 5-6 tibia. You will regret doing less.
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With LON Tibias you can at least sleep on the side. With that monorail on femurs you can't.
Sleeping on the back as someone who usually never does it is torture. I even forced myself to sleep on the stomach if possible, that is how much I needed it.
The greatest pain people experience is after waking up from each surgery.
After that it's not like you live through each day with an unbearable pain level.
This is why for me LON Tibias has to be the easier method theoretically. One last reason is that I would not aim for the max length on tibias, in order to keep the proper ratio between F/T after two LLs. So there should not be nerve pain that is solely due to a high amount of distraction.
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Im day 5 into tibia its crazy I am so broken just the whole thing. DREADING going to hotel without nurses. As soon as I put feet on ground try to walk everything goes black and I start to lose consciousness.
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Okay I left the message before and didn't post it.
Update: Since then I have taken a dump via the camode wheeled by nurse gave up on trying to walk there. (this is a really big deal to me FYI)
While I was taking a dump the Doc came.
Loss of consciousness when standing/walking. Low blood from operation they are fixing with iv bag. So not related to walking etc accept that the blood moves when you stand up.
We also did the first our first lengthening! Im taller baby! Fkn Lebron James over here..
Takeaway this whole thing is a rollercoaster of ups and downs. Tougher and more rewarding than climbing Everest perhaps...
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Pain wise - on day 5 (I think) I haven't had any pain killers today last iv bag was like 2AM last night and I asked her not to renew it. There was pain plenty and I am sure there will be more. In fact it does hurt a bit. But the pain killers were doing my head in.
For my a lot of the "pain" was psychological (real pain too) this aspect for me is what was tipping me over the edge. It's just a crazy rollercoaster ride. That's my take.
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The first 1-3 days will completely devastate you, no joke. Flubber is 100% on point. You lose everything guys, your ability to walk, run, jump. Your entire ability to move is disabled. This sh*t is SERIOUS!!
Hang in there, be strong. You need strong mental fortitute for this stuff!! You will get through it, the pain will go away. You will come out of it stronger and taller - much greater man than you ever were. Hang in there, and congratulations on taking the first, scary step on the most intense journey of your life. You will get through this
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Thanks PerfectBody coming from you that means a lot to me, much appreciated bro! I'm 1mm taller now so feeling pretty chuffed about that haha #motivation
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Can you keep us updated of your experience mate. I'm considering doing 6cm LON tibia so your advice would be invaluable.
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Yeah absolutely. Ill post during and drop a dairy with the stats and what not after. I don't want to drop a dairy in this fragile state. Just because there are like 1 or 2 folks on here that say some pretty unnecessary stuff and I don't need that while I'm doing this. - cheers.
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Hey PerfectBody! Been a while, how have you been? :)
Only people very close to me, and at my previous heights. Family, roommates, and close friends - yes. Gym people at my old height - yes.
Dates have also been fruitful.
That's interesting, how do they usually react to it? Mind telling us you answer them? Is a 5cm gain big enough for everyone in your social circle to notice? Would love to have your opinion on this! Thanks
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Hey PerfectBody! Been a while, how have you been? :)
That's interesting, how do they usually react to it? Mind telling us you answer them? Is a 5cm gain big enough for everyone in your social circle to notice? Would love to have your opinion on this! Thanks
I'm fine, thank you for asking. People react kindly if they know what I did. 5cm isn't very noticeable - as I mentioned earlier, I wish I did more. I don't regret doing what I did because I can already run and lift just fine, but my gait still has problems every now and then. It's not perfect yet but I can force myself to walk normally. I have to force myself though, keep this in mind. If you go through this trouble, max out.
As I said, if you are going to do this, or are doing this, please do more. 7cm is very achievable and worthwhile. For those currently in the process, the Turkish/LLT team may feel sketchy at times (I understand it) but they are very trust worthy and they know what they are doing. It's definitely the one thing I'm comfortable in admitting. I don't suck up to people - I wouldn't be considering going back to them if I didn't trust them 100%. I just really wish Turkey had better food lol.
I know we will constantly have new faces/members, so unless I say 'something is wrong' or 'I have a problem' - please assume everything is ok. This is to prevent flooding this topic with 'how are you' posts. Cheers.
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Good thread bro. I skimmed most of it and your journey throughout.
You were at one stage talking how you wish you had never embarked on the treatment. It was during your depressed phase. All caught up in the moment and natural I would feel. Now you have done a U turn and love it. Yup, makes sense and I remember thinking you would when reading.
Anyways listen, I myself am 173.1cm so 5'8 and want to touch base with 5'11. That's a 7.5cm increase needed. You have fluctuated a couple of times in saying every cm after 6cm increases the probability of not being able to recover proper lower bodily function. You flipped then to 5cm. I would like to ask you here what is your number now? Also. You are now 5-6 months post surgery. Is it too early to ask about your ability to play sport and/or workout and the levels of intensity at which you are able to do either?
Much thanks in advance bro
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What was the overall cost?
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Hey bro could you please post a few recent scans? Would love to see the difference between those and the ones at the beginning, if you want!
Also, have you ever tried checking how much you can jump off the ground? Feel like that would be interesting to track over time, no?
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I see you are online man! How is the gait / recovery coming along perfectbody?
I am planning to get the package for femur LON and try to hit 8cm. Thanks for all the advice you’ve posted
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probably not very well ...
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you went there direct to buldu or trought agency ? i wanna go do surgery but direct to dr buldu
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hey mate how much you paid totally as i m asking prices and all seems to be changing, montha ago you could do 20 lon no stay but all was included x ray therapy bandage change, now that say absolutely nothing is included surgery and good bye. And the 25k in no meals but stay included i gues is for people stay with them and lowers risks. About food because i think is suuuper important for good healing, eating in their center might be super expensive no? you can ask for food delivery? on super market delivery and have food in your room ???
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Hey PerfectBody glad to see u got a brandnew body!
BTW I heard from one LL veteran who also accomplished LL with Halil and he added he is not worthwhile of being recommendations cuz he performs LL 2-3 times per day therefore compared to othet surgeons surgeric frequencies he will be likely to more or less lose concentrations and devotions into patients in terms of caregiving post LL.
Is that true?
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I would like to ask you here what is your number now? Also. You are now 5-6 months post surgery. Is it too early to ask about your ability to play sport and/or workout and the levels of intensity at which you are able to do either?
I don't play sports, my running is poor, probably because I am lazy and don't exercise. My healing is fine I can walk normally now without issues. I might do Tibias this summer/fall. I don't know. I wish I did 8cm total - but I did not have the patience or mindset at the time. It's extremely hard, but it is possible.
Hey PerfectBody glad to see u got a brandnew body!
BTW I heard from one LL veteran who also accomplished LL with Halil and he added he is not worthwhile of being recommendations cuz he performs LL 2-3 times per day therefore compared to othet surgeons surgeric frequencies he will be likely to more or less lose concentrations and devotions into patients in terms of caregiving post LL.
Is that true?
He works hard, not just doing LL but actual hospital work. I would trust him with my legs again. The problem with Turkey is medication for pain - LON is very painful but some people don't mind it.
Everyone else - I'm busy with life/work. I don't have time to post on here. Good luck with your journeys, wish you all the best of luck.