Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: tallertree on May 28, 2018, 02:00:03 PM
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Hello
I recently had surgery done with Dr. Betz on my femurs.
Age: 25-30
Height: 162cm
Im aiming for around 8cm
I arrived at the hospital two days before and did blood test etc. Operation went fine and shortly after waking up Dr Betz came and we walked a little bit, i felt very dizzy but it worked.
The first days i also had constant pain in my left leg, especially around the hip area. The pain is now almost gone, but i do feel my left leg more than my right. The overall pain is concentrated around the hip area on both legs. When i walk and make a movement wich rotates the leg a bit i can feel lots of pain in the groin area. But i think its getting better. Overall, pain is small.
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Above was written like 5 days post operation
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Most of the pain i have felt until now has been related to bruises i think. Right now im experiencing pain in the groin area of the right leg, but only when i walk and only sometimes, so its getting better. I also feel pain occasionally in the knee region, but then again, there are visible bruises there so the pain will probably be gone in a few days.
I have been clicking now for a few days and i must say this is the biggest challenge for me. Im getting better at it though, trying different methods.
Right now i can walk without crutches but i avoid doing so until i feel no pain anymore in the groin area.
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All the best bro :) keep us updated ;)
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Excellent start tallertree, best of luck on your journey.
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Thanks:)
today is about 2 weeks post operation and just finished clicking for the day. Clicking is still painful and the reason for this is not the clicking itself, but rather bruises and very stiff muscles. On my right leg i have bruises on the knee wich produces very annoying pain when twisting the leg. When clicking on my left leg i have instead a lot of pain around the hip area, it feels extremely stiff. With the right training and time, i suppose these problems will go away.
According to Dr. Betz my mobility is very good, among the best he said. I walk a lot and do exercises as much as i can.
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Clicking is now much easier. The key for painless clicking is to relax the muscles as much as possible.
Im having a bit more pain around the upper-back side of both legs due to lengthening. It feels more and more stiff. However, im stretching daily and walking so hopefully it wont last to long.
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I have reached 3cm now and everything is going good. Clicking works good now, although it takes some time, but thats okey as long as its painless.
The bad thing is that i have a little bit of wide legs, but im stretching everyday so hopefully it wont last long.
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Good luck, tallertree. Thanks for the diary.
Wishing you the best.
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Thx:)
I have now reached 4cm. Clicking is getting easier for everyday, i finnish both legs now in about 30min. Another good thing is that overall pain is very small, i could easily go a whole day without any painkiller. The only reason i take it is because im afraid that the clicking will be hard if i dont, maybe its just in my head but i dont want to take any risks yet because its going very good for me now.
I still have widelegs and the latest thing im trying is the shockwave device and it helps alot to relax the it band. However, its not the ordinary nozzle wich vibrates in a small area, but another one wich is more like massage on a bigger area with lower force.
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Hi Talletree. Congratulations having the surgery and I hope recovery goes fine and smooth for you. I appreciate if you tell us about complications such as duck ass, wide legs, tension and etc. if they are getting better ?? I hope you can lengthen up to your goal of 8 9 cm
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Hi wishadream
Thank you:)
I still have wide legs and im stretching the it-bands daily. Thats the only complication im having right now, and as stated in my previous post im basically not feeling any pain at all, so that feels great.
If i manage to fix the wide legs soon i will be able to walk completely normal, but stretching the it-bands is hard. The thing is that i didn't really stretch the it-band until i noticed the wide legs. My PT told me to do that but i didn't take it seriously. Obviously i can not blame him or any other person for it, but it feels like they should have told me exactly what causes things like wide legs, duckass etc in the very beginning. I had no idea wide legs was caused by the it-bands for example. Today i skipped the clicking because i want to stretch the it-band and recover as fast as possible. I might skip clicking tomorrow aswell.
I did x-ray a few days ago and i saw some low-res photos of them and there is good callus forming so thats very good :) i will get the real photos sent to me in a few days.
Also, i left Germany like one month after the operation. I have a good daily routine now when im home. I take a warm bath in the morning before clicking to soften the muscles. I also have a exercise bike wich i use like 5 times per day.
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What's wide legs Tallertree? Did LL make your legs wider? What do you mean? How does IT band cause wide legs? Thanks
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It means that your legs are separated from each other when standing up straight(in my case like 30cm distance). You can not stand up and have your feets next/close to each other. This is caused by the it-band not being stretched enough.
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I see… Do you mean apparent valgus/varus deformities? 30 cm is a lot!
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My wide legs is now getting better. I have reduced the clicking to half speed and this way its much easier for me to stretch the it-bands. When i feel that my wide legs have been reduced enough, i will go back to 15 clicks i think.
My suggestion to all of you who consider doing this surgery, stretch alot after the surgery. Because if you dont you will develop wide legs and duck ass etc. I took this for granted. Until recently i had no wide legs, then i suddenly realized i had it.
Clicking is completely painless now so that is a big relief.
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How much have you lengthened till now?
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Im at 4,3cm now. I skipped clicking for two days and the last two days i clicked 10 times only each day. 10 clicks = 0,52mm
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Thanks...can you please tell would you go for IT band release and if yes when or at what amount?
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No i would not. I have not heard any information about any it band release. If you keep stretching then i suppose you dont need that.
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Almost at 5cm. Im clicking at halfspeed right now wich is 0,5mm/day. The reason for this is that i dont want the widelegs to be worse.
Sometimes when i sit down to long and then stand up i can feel quite sore in the knees. However, i use a exercise bike everyday and i think this has helped alot to reduce pain/problem related to knees. Another good thing is that i can pick up things from the floor by my self.
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Today i reached 5cm
Now im starting to feel the height difference. Actually, when im alone i dont really feel taller, but when i meet people i definitely feel taller.
Still clicking 0,5mm/day. Since yesterday im feeling pain on the front side of the right femur, but only when i put pressure on it. I have felt this before though so it will most likely go away very soon. That is also something you will learn while lengthening, ie that pain comes and goes.
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This is a video of me walking, around 60 days post operation. I can walk at normal speed, but because of the wide legs i cant really walk normal yet. However, considering i have reached 5cm, i think im in good condition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0dnRcRfcns&feature=youtu.be
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This is a video of me walking, around 60 days post operation. I can walk at normal speed, but because of the wide legs i cant really walk normal yet. However, considering i have reached 5cm, i think im in good condition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0dnRcRfcns&feature=youtu.be
So good to see that! You are allowed to walk without crutches?
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broken link brother :/
Should work now
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So good to see that! You are allowed to walk without crutches?
I can walk without crutches, but usually i use them and thats because of safety so i dont accidentally fall and because my walking is more stable with crutches and its better for the body.
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what was the price for this whole procedure with Dr. Betz?
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what was the price for this whole procedure with Dr. Betz?
52k euro
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In the video above uploaded, why your right side looks more abnormal in walking while left seems to be kind of normal? Do you feel the same?
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In the video above uploaded, why your right side looks more abnormal in walking while left seems to be kind of normal? Do you feel the same?
Yes, but thats because i have felt pain before when putting preasure on the right leg, and i kind of still have that habit. But i think the problem is mostly due to the wide legs, it does not feel normal to not be able to close the legs. When i look at other people walking, their legs are very close to each other when walking.
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Good luck man, hope you reach 8 cm.
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Thank you:)
This is how my scars look like:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/922/oLFM7t.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/924/RKHynY.jpg)
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I have now reached 6cm. Everything is going good, i have no pain other than being a bit sore in the morning when i wake up. My latest x-rays show good callus growth. Still no duckass or banding knees. I still have widelegs though, but its getting much better.
This is a video of me walking right after stretching my legs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icls80B3CQw&feature=youtu.be
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Wow!! Your walk looks great. Is this because we are now in 2018? I’ve been reading tons of diaries & it seems that a long time ago Betz would run into lots of issues
First post btw
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Looking good bud, congrats!
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I wish you have a best outcome.
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Almost there man! Dont worry the wide legs will disappear after lengthening. Good stretching and physio will help.
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Good luck bud!
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Hi tallertree,
Sour lengthening looks very good, congratulations!
What is the best stretching to prevent/cure wide legs?
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Thanks all :)
To prevent widelegs you need to stretch your it-band.
I usually do this one:
(https://www.rice.edu/~jenky/images/itb_c_jpg)
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Thanks! What is your effort regarding stretching - time comittment per day, per week?
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Thanks! What is your effort regarding stretching - time comittment per day, per week?
I stretch about 2 times everyday. Stretching is very important.
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Hoi tallertree,
I assume you have the Betzbone... having a weight bearing nail, what is the challange when walking? Is your walking limited because you feel pain when stepping on the floor?
Thanks!
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Yes its the Betzbone. Challenge when walking depends on how much you stretch your muscles. For me the only challenge is the widelegs, but its getting better.
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I understand walking depends on stretching the soft tissue...
so you feel no pain when stepping on the ground, e.g while walking?
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how much did you lengthen before you started getting the wide legs?
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I understand walking depends on stretching the soft tissue...
so you feel no pain when stepping on the ground, e.g while walking?
No not really, sometimes i can feel sore but its not really a problem
how much did you lengthen before you started getting the wide legs?
Around 2cm
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I have now reached 7cm
The last two weeks i have intensified the stretching and i now do it about 3 times everyday. Still no duckass but my widelegs are still present. Im sure it will go away shortly after i finnish my clicks because when i did 10clicks per day my widelegs was not as bad. Now im doing 13 clicks per day and its still not so bad but a little bit more than when i did 10 clicks.
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Congratulations ! Your progress is really astonishing and inspiring
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I have now reached 7cm
The last two weeks i have intensified the stretching and i now do it about 3 times everyday. Still no duckass but my widelegs are still present. Im sure it will go away shortly after i finnish my clicks because when i did 10clicks per day my widelegs was not as bad. Now im doing 13 clicks per day and its still not so bad but a little bit more than when i did 10 clicks.
Did more stretching help your wide legs, or is there any benefit?
Also, I (and for sure the whole community) would love to see an update of your walking with those loooong legs ;D
Thanks my friend
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Thanks :)
Well my widelegs are pretty much the same as in the beginning(around 2cm) and since i have reached 7,2cm they have been stretched otherwise i would have huge widelegs.
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How is your pain and sleeping?
Are you still on pain medications?
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I stopped taking painkillers about 3 weeks ago. My sleeping is 100% normal.
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Hello how are you I am really happy for you
I hope all will be better and you will reach your goal am femal 34 years old and planning to do it in end of this year with dr baumgart I feel he is so expensive please can you tell me if it’s possible to talk to you over. What’s app or if you don’t like will keep in touch through Instagram ?
Regards
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I have now reached 8cm and im doing very good. I stopped taking painkillers about one month ago. My widelegs are not as wide anymore, although its still present. I will keep lengthening a few more days, and maybe stop at 8,5cm. I might go up to 9cm, not sure yet.
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Good going! Post a walking video if you can!
Walking while lengthening is quite surreal to imagine. It's sad that nothing came close to the old generation nails until Stryde now (this late).
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tallertree has already posted some walking-videos. Truly amazing... especially if the wide legs are now at 8cm less than at 5cm
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I will post a final video and a summary of my experience once i stop the clicking. Right now im 170cm tall and the new height feels great.
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What diameter nail are you having? At 162cm I would imagine you have thin bones? You also seem on the skinny side..
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My nail diameter is 12mm
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Would you mind posting x-rays? I want to see how much reaming has happened. Thank you
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Hi tallertree,
I am following your journey very interested...
Based on your experience, would you say one can maintain his studies at university during lengthening?
Thanks
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Today i did my last clicks and the final length is 8,8cm
I will do a new x-ray tomorrow i think and once i have the images i will post them.
Yes, you can live a normal live roughly 1 month after the surgery with reduced mobility ofc.
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Congratulations my friend 8.8cm is a few measures that arrive,
Do you intend to arrive in 9 -10cm? I hope everything is alright
and have a blessing for perfect recovery
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8,8 cm is incredible! I can not imagine how the difference feels like...
How is your walking and wide legs?
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8,8 cm is incredible! I can not imagine how the difference feels like...
How is your walking and wide legs?
Overall 16 cm is crazy I’d say keep it as safe as possible
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16cm ??? I think this one confusing it is 8.8cm or 88mm is not 8 + 8
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Hi Tallertree.
I have a few questions?
How much for the surgery ?
How much for medicine and accommodation?
Also did you have IT band release surgery ?
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Thanks everyone.
My goal was 8cm so im very happy i reached 8,8cm. My widelegs are considerably better now compared to when i first got them.
Hi Tallertree.
I have a few questions?
How much for the surgery ?
How much for medicine and accommodation?
Also did you have IT band release surgery ?
The total cost for surgery + 2 weeks stay at the hospital was 52.000 Euro. This includes medicine, food etc during the stay at the hospital for 2 weeks. When i left the hospital after 2 weeks i had to buy medications wich lasted about 3 months and the cost for this was about 600 euro if i remember correctly.
No i did not have IT band release. You dont need this if you keep stretching everyday.
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Do you have any form of chronic pain? 0-10
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I have a general question: Does Dr. Betz put in the nail right over the knee or from the hip area?
Thanks!
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Today i did my last clicks and the final length is 8,8cm
I will do a new x-ray tomorrow i think and once i have the images i will post them.
Yes, you can live a normal live roughly 1 month after the surgery with reduced mobility ofc.
please post walking video! thnx
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Here is a new video, recorded 5 months post operation.
Since last time i continued clicking a few more days and the final length is 9cm. I stopped clicking about 2-3 weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73PcxG5Q-4&feature=youtu.be
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Here is a new video, recorded 5 months post operation.
Since last time i continued clicking a few more days and the final length is 9cm. I stopped clicking about 2-3 weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73PcxG5Q-4&feature=youtu.be
wow that is incredible. your gait and proportions look very normal!
How many months post op do you think your gait became this good?
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Here is a new video, recorded 5 months post operation.
Since last time i continued clicking a few more days and the final length is 9cm. I stopped clicking about 2-3 weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73PcxG5Q-4&feature=youtu.be
Looks real good bro! Always for Dr Betz if albizzia is my option :) any xrays buddy? just curious to see what callous is like at this stage :)
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Here is a new video, recorded 5 months post operation.
Since last time i continued clicking a few more days and the final length is 9cm. I stopped clicking about 2-3 weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73PcxG5Q-4&feature=youtu.be
You look really good, I would never guess that you've had LL. What's your wingpsan? those proportions are legit perfect.
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Here is a new video, recorded 5 months post operation.
Since last time i continued clicking a few more days and the final length is 9cm. I stopped clicking about 2-3 weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73PcxG5Q-4&feature=youtu.be
You look entirety different person in the video in the first page vs third page... In third one you look quite good actually not only height but otherwise also... Congrats. Also please post x-ray photoz.
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Thanks :)
My gait is not completely normal yet. However, it has improved alot since i stopped lengthening. So its probably a matter of weeks until i can walk like before the surgery.
I had new x-rays taken a few days ago but im still waiting for them. They will probably send them to me this coming week.
My wingspan is 170cm.
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looks amazing!
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WTF???? I saw the video before following the rest of the thread, and I thought for sure this was a guy who went 170->175 or something. You look amazing man, especially for how much you lengthened and your starting height.
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WTF???? I saw the video before following the rest of the thread, and I thought for sure this was a guy who went 170->175 or something. You look amazing man, especially for how much you lengthened and your starting height.
I think my new longer legs might give the illusion of me being taller than i really am. The biggest difference with my new height is that i feel normal now. I does not feel as if im an outsider when i meet people anymore. Also, many people have commented on my height and said "you are taller!" and its usually people who were either little bit taller or little bit shorter than i was before the surgery. People who are above 180 rarely notice the difference, or at least they dont say it to me. Maybe they feel its awkard to mention it, or think they might insult me for mentioning it considering i was very short before.
I met my old boss a few days ago, a woman, and the first thing she said was "holy you are taller" and "i could see it directly when you entered the door from the distance"
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Its really awesome outcome. It was from 162 to 171, right? Do you think about tibia surgery aswell or this is enough for you? Gosh with 9 cm i wouldnt probably consider CLL and just go for one surgery and perform daily stretching, exercises etc.
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This outcome is amazing...
Honestly you look incredible! I would never say that your longer legs look disproportionate, in fact they look much better than average. Maybe because longer legs give the illusion of being lean and tall.
But man, 9cm is such a high amount of lengthening. Aren’t you worried about your athletic abilities, etc.?
I just do not know what the trade.off for this great aesthetic benefit might be...
keep safe and enjoy your new height!
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Internal Lengthening without ITB with weight bearing for $60k usd.
This guy did 9 CM on Femurs
This diary is GOLD.
You got Xrays man ?
Also where did you stay for lengthening ?
When do you think you will get Rods out ?
You think the way they measure XRAY is accurate?
how do they measure?
no chance legs can be different length?
Sorry to blast so many questions but just some concerns.
I appreciate it.
Did you meet a lot of other LLers?
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I would love to to tibia aswell but my torso is to short for that. My sitting height is that of a person who is 160cm, even slightly less.
I dont think my athletic abilities will get reduced that much. Right now im still recovering so i cant really tell what the difference is.
Right now i only have a normal paper print of the latest x-ray. I will get the real digital ones in a few days, i spoke to them today. I soon as i get them i will post them here for both legs.
However, here is a scanned image of the normal paper print(this is low quality image)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/GI9bOc.jpg)
The measurment on the x-ray is not correct, Dr. Betz told that only the amount of clickings can give a proper measurement because 1 click equals 0,052mm.
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wow, your callus is excellent.
you are one of those 10/10 patients.
My theory is that the more you walk the more callus growth your stimulate.
@tallertree, did you walk alot? can you give a ballpark percentage. Like 50% of time you were awake?
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I walk pretty much the same as before the surgery. The only big difference is that i get tired much faster.
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I would love to to tibia aswell but my torso is to short for that. My sitting height is that of a person who is 160cm, even slightly less.
Sitting height doesn't matter that much, lots of taller people have the same sitting height as you if not 1-2cm more at best. Looking at how great you look now compared to before, I think you could easily get 5cm on tibias without that screwing you up in any way, possibly just further improving an already amazing outcome.
To be fair you look impressively proportionated which is great news, you're seriously leading me to think that proportions are just an over-stressed topic, which should not limit or concern us as much as it does. That said, big congratulations for your astonishing achievement, truly inspirational for all of us, enjoy reaching the shelves :)
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Wow, congrats! This is inspiring for every future patient out there.
May I ask some questions about your recovery because I can’t find much information here and you seem like the ideal:
- how long did it take after you stopped clicking to be able to walk like you do in the video?
- when did you ditch the crutches after click stop? Not only at home but also outside
- how much longer will it take until full recovery?
- did you feel better right after you stopped or did it take a few days until you noticed any difference in terms of muscle stiffness or knee pain
Thanks!
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- Walking became easier about 2 weeks after i stopped clicking.
- I ditched the crutches about 1,5months after the surgery. I did use them sometimes though, but from august i pretty much never used them anymore.
- How fast i recover from now i think depends on how much exercise and stretching i do. Right now im doing less than usual because i live alone at the moment and i dont have anyone around who can help me stretch. I only do stretching with my physiotherapist, but thats like 2 times every week only. I would guess that in about one or two months im pretty much fully recovered.
- It did take a few days after i stopped clicking before i could feel the difference.
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Thank you for the vids and xrays!
I'm glad you achieved and surpassed your goal!
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hi Tallertree,
„I ditched the crutches about 1,5months after the surgery. I did use them sometimes though, but from august i pretty much never used them anymore“
As soon as you ditched the crutches, were you walking a lot? Also bigger distances like going in to the city?
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Thanks
Yes, i used to walk alot but i did get tired faster than usual. Right now im basically back to normal life and will start work again in a few days.
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So you were not limited to your home/apartment during lengthening?
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great man. did other's people notice that you walk differently ? I mean noticeable by posture. its still not looks like normal.
Thanks
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Yes they notice it and i always tell people i had an accident.
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Yes they notice it and i always tell people i had an accident.
its look like that one leg(left) is short cause you lean/bend in left position. how wil you manage it in future ?
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Thats because i have not recovered fully yet. There there is still tension in my muscles and tendons
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Here are my latest x-rays
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/0r5AIz.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/l07F8W.jpg)
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Looks good!
How many days after clicking?
How many days after surgery?
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This was about one week after i stopped clicking. Almost 5 months post operation.
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How are you doing now?
Do you have lateral x-ray also?
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Today is 6 months since i had my surgery. Two days before the surgery i asked Dr. Betz how long it would take until i can walk normal and he said about 6 months. And he was right, i can walk normal now without anyone really noticing, although i still need to do exercises. I can not run yet however but i can walk fast.
Lateral x-ray
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/Qvw4Ck.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/921/nIcpRx.jpg)
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Yours look like a text book surgery
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I also have a exercise bike wich i use like 5 times per day.
Hi, what sort of exercise bike do you have? Does the seat look like that of a normal bike or rather like a chair? I'm planning to buy one for the time when I come back home after my surgery...
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Hi, what sort of exercise bike do you have? Does the seat look like that of a normal bike or rather like a chair? I'm planning to buy one for the time when I come back home after my surgery...
You can use any exercise bike. Doesnt really matter what model.
Mine looks similar to this one
(https://www.dkn-uk.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/d/k/dkn_am-e_exercise_bike_dkn_am-e_exercise_bike_-_black1_2000x2000.jpg)
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Thanks :)
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amazing diary.. gives hopes to the rest of us.
btw are you from sweden or any country near?
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Stupid question: Why cant the nail be left inside without removing it?
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I live in Scandinavia
About the nail, i guess its better to remove it once the bone is healed in case you break the bone in the future in an accident, then you dont want a bent nail inside the bone.
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But do you feel the nail somehow inside your legs? Or is it if the nails weren’t there?
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How long did you take painkillers and how long have you been chained to the bed?
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Hi tallertree,
I'm so happy that you've achieved what you wanted from your LL-experience and your diary has helped me tremendously I can't thank you enough!
A quick question, you mentioned you can't run yet, do you know when this will be possible? Also if you wanted to go to the gym and start weight lifting e.g deadlift/squats etc etc how long until this would be possible?
All the best for the future :)
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No you dont feel the nail inside
I dont think its wise to do squats until the bone has healed. I will wait until my bone has healed completely until i start with heavy weight liftening.
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tallertree,
You did a great job on your limblengthening!!!
I have read through your post and replies, and they are very impressive to us!!! You story is a great inspiration!!!
Could you please share some more of your daily life pictures or videos for us?
It is also kind of you posting your lastest X-rays before the end of 2018.
Best wishes!!!
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Hi tallertree,
How is your recovery going?
During lengthening coulf you sit borma normally on a chair without pain and for a longer period of time?
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Hi tallertree,
great diary! many thanks for that.
Why did you choose Betz but not Guichet for example? How long did you search for the right doctor?
Many thanks in advance and all the best!
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If you have read unicorn diary you may find the answer
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What is the price of accommodation and food for 3 months in German?
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My walking is basically normal now. My right leg is recovering slower than my left leg but its doing progress.
Before doing LL i did lots of research and came in contact with a guy who had done the surgery in Germany with Dr. Betz a few years ago. He was very satisfied with his process and that lead me to contact Dr. Betz and after having a consultation i was convinced he was the right man for the job. My LL process has been very smooth and Dr. Betz has been very professional.
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are u doing it alone and wats been ur costs?
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Thank you very much!
Happy new year and all the best.
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hi tallertree,
really impressed with your results. happy for your achievement. will you post an update video of your walking? it would be great to include front view of the walking posture. thanks a lot!
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New x-ray, about 7-8 months post op
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/NBwQyd.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/JDwbal.jpg)
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Looks very good to me, thanks for sharing !
How are you doing? (pain, sleep, walking)
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im doing fine. I have been back to normal life since about 2-3 months. I do feel little bit of pain sometimes on the upper part of the right leg, but its definitely getting better. My sleep has been 100% normal since about summer.
Im going to the gym now regularly and doing exercises to strengthen my muscles, but i do it very carefully and with light weight.
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This is great to hear. Hopefully the pain on the upper right part disappears soon.
Did you try running yet? You think (one or two years from now) you could actually be faster than prior surgery?
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Your bone callus looks great! I am happy to see your good bone consilidation.
By the way, I did my femurs surgery in Betz Institute on Dec, 13, 2018, which was 7 months later than yours.
Now I have almost reached 3 cm. Just like your experience, I got my wide legs at 2 cm.
I am an asian, and 2 other asian girls I met in the hospital also told me that they got wide legs at around 2 cm.
I have no duck ass and bend knee. I do biking more than 30 minutes and walking less than 1 km with crutches per day.
Now I am worried about my wide legs recovery. It seems getting tighter everyday after my 20 clicks.
How is your wide legs now? Can you cross you legs? Thank your for your reply. :)
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I have not tried running yet.
Hey wangchaoan
You need to stretch your legs everyday and especially the it-bands to reduce widelegs. My widelegs disappeard about 1,5 months after i stopped clicking.
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Hey tallertree.
I wonder if Dr.Betz count the maxium amount of lengthening by measuring your bone length?Cuz if you lengthen one segment by more than 20％ length of its,lengthening will be very dangerous！
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Hey tallertree.
I wonder if Dr.Betz count the maxium amount of lengthening by measuring your bone length?Cuz if you lengthen one segment by more than 20％ length of its,lengthening will be very dangerous！
Betz has been performing LL from decades...he onbiously would have let him lengthen under medical limits itself.
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hi tallertree
Thanks for your sharing.
Could I ask some questions about the pain management?
Do you used painkiller during lengthening?
Do you get the enough medicine form dr Betz?
How many mg you used everyday?
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I used painkillers the first 3 months then i stopped. I got painkillers while i was in the hospital. Once i left the the hospital i had to buy medication that lasted for about 3 months and the cost was about 500 euros.
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Tallertree - how are you doing with recovery - could we get a detailed update please?
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Hey bud - any chance we can get an update?
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Update?
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Hi, tallertree:
I had stopped my lengthening at 5.2cm on 14th, Feb, and now it's been 10 days for me into consolidation phase.
Yes, you are right, my widelegs problem is getting better and better day after day. Now I can easily ALMOST stand and walk with my two legs put together. I think my situation will continue to get better if I keep on exercing and walking.
I still have a question for you to answer:
You know we have 4 screws in each leg, 2 for upper location, 2 for lower location. Do you feel sometimes your muscles or tendons have been scratched or slightly cut by those screws, like when you suddenly stand up, go upstairs/ downstairs, or any situations that your muscles thighten to use power? Now I have this problem, although it is not serious, it is annoying.
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Hey, wangchaoan.
Congratulations, you fulfilled your journey, great job!
Just be curious: was 5.2 cm your original goal? Or something happened and it became difficult to push it another half or 1 inch?
Thank you
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Hi, Uphill:
My original goal is 5-5.5cm. I am not a greedy person. I consider proportion more than just gained height data. My original height and wingspan are both 170cm. Now I am 175 and my arms seem not comparablly short, which is a satisfactory result for me. 5.2cm also makes it possible for me to recover sooner and come back to social life earlier. Btw, Dr. Betz recommended me go for 7cm+. Technically 7cm+ is no problem for betzbone.
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Thank you for the reply.
Wish you the best recovery!
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I used painkillers the first 3 months then i stopped. I got painkillers while i was in the hospital. Once i left the the hospital i had to buy medication that lasted for about 3 months and the cost was about 500 euros.
Hi TallerTree
How are you getting on my friend? Can we get an update?
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I will make an update soon. I have made lots of progress. One thing you need to remember about this surgery is that recovery takes time, you just need to be patient.
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I will make an update soon. I have made lots of progress. One thing you need to remember about this surgery is that recovery takes time, you just need to be patient.
U r right. I corrected a 10 mm leg length discrepancy using precise nail 2 with Dr. Rozbruch 7 months ago and i still have some pain in femur and knee and difficulty in climbing stairs and my gait is still not back to normal 100%
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I will make an update soon. I have made lots of progress. One thing you need to remember about this surgery is that recovery takes time, you just need to be patient.
Any chance to get that update buddy?
Thanks
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I will make an update soon. I have made lots of progress. One thing you need to remember about this surgery is that recovery takes time, you just need to be patient.
Hey buddy,
How are you getting on with things? Will you be giving another update?
Hope things are well.
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Hi tallertree:
We are looking forward to your one year Xrays. :)
How about your walking, running and jumping now?
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Hi, tallertree:
It's been a year. How's your situation now?
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This is a video of me running. It was recorded one year post surgery.
https://youtu.be/WL7qSE03bnU
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Good recovery for 1 year post-op. Congratulations! ;)
hopefully you will stay and post another running video in 2 or 3 year post-op.
maybe it will have more initial explosiveness?
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This is a video of me running. It was recorded one year post surgery.
https://youtu.be/WL7qSE03bnU
Wow - you look so tall!! Congrats - can we get a detailed update on how you feel - was it worth it etc?
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This is a video of me running. It was recorded one year post surgery.
https://youtu.be/WL7qSE03bnU
awesome bro! quite confident that i would go with betz too :)
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great , very inspirational
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What is your tibia - femur ratio now? do you think a ratio in the normal range of biomechanics helps with running a year or so after operation, or is it just inherently the stretching of the soft tissues that messes up the explosiveness?
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My right leg is still sore and after i recorded this video i had some pain. However, running like this was not possible about 3-4 months ago. My legs are obviously getting better each day but its going very slow.
I think that my mobility will go back to normal eventually, especially when i remove the nails.
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Awesome bro, you are a true inspiration. please keep the updates coming whenever you feel like you've made some progress, it is very motivating for those of us who are still thinking about LL.
can i ask what is your sitting height and wingspan in cm?
good luck on your recovery man.
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Amazing. Just read through your diary and your progress and all of the effort you put into this is inspirational. You look great, tall and proportional. Seeing your success puts a huge smile on my face!
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My wingspan is 170cm but my sitting height is short, and thats why im not going for a second surgery.
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Thanks for replying, we are almost the same starting height that's why i was interested in your measurements because you look very proportionate, can you please measure your sitting height and update us?
looking at your progress and how things turned out for you makes me really consider Dr. Betz for femurs, you are a true inspiration.
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Hi, tallertree:
Now it's my 6 months from my surgery. My surgery was at Dec, 13, 2018. Now I can walk normally with some slight swaying. Nobody really notices it anyway. Actually from the beginning of March, I usually walked outside with only one crutch to attend social activities. From the middle of April, I walked completely without crutches. Now I can walk like 1 km without a pause. And I can walk as far as 3 km in 1 hour. There is no any inconvinience for me to do my work as a normal person. My back pain reduces a lot also. My IT band tension is still present, but much better than 2 month ago. No obvious duck ass or wide leg anymore. I have taken my 6 month X-rays some days ago, and the result showed good consolidation. I think the fuss is more than 60% percent. Hopefully I will try some jogging after 8 month.
Good luck to you!
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Wow - you look so tall!! Congrats - can we get a detailed update on how you feel - was it worth it etc?
Hey bud - could we get a detailed update on how you feel - was it worth it etc please?
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Hey tallertree. Would you recommend walking a lot or bicycle a lot during lengthening and consolidation?
walking a lot with crutches or cycle with home bike?
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hi, my mate,
It's 1 year and 3 months for you. When do you plan to take out those nails?
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Hey bud - can we get an update please?
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Hey bud - can we get an update please?
Hey bud - just checking in - how's things?
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Latest x-ray from October
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/a6h0Fc.jpg)
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Seems like youre fully healed. Congrats bro. When do you plan to take the nails out?
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Wow - looks great - congratulations bud
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Those bones look incredible. That said, don’t be in a rush to take the nail out. There have been people who break their leg even after nail removal. I’d wait at least two years, maybe three.
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Thanks. I was in contact with Dr. Betz a few days ago but he didn't mention nail removal so i guess i have to wait a few more months until nail removal is possible.
Since last year i have been walking daily and also working full time and i think that contributed to the good bone healing.
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hi, tallertree,
Now it's my 1 year and 1 month after surgery. My legs are recovering well. Waiting for your latest news, like x-rays, videos. Thx for sharing, :-)
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how about scars? do they fade well? are they noticeable? thanks.
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At one year one month, are you still recovering?
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Hello,
¿Would you mind making any updates? I would love to know your sitting height.
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My sitting height is bad. Many people talk about proportions but trust me when i say that noone will notice any of that. HOWEVER, what people might notice is a very short sitting height in comparison to your body height. But even then people will most likely not think about it since everybody is so different. But if there is anything you should consider, its the ratio between sitting height and body height.
The latest news is that im soon going for the nail removal. Date not decided yet, but once i get my new x-ray i will contact Dr. Betz. But it will probably be in 2-3 months from now.
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Hi,
If I get you right, what you mean is nobody will notice you have longer legs, but they will rather notice you have a shorter sitting height?
¿Is this what you mean? I feel most people slouch when sitting so if you keep a good posture it will be good for your back, and it will keep you in line with most people around you even if they have taller sitting heights.
¿ How do you feel about your arms to body ratio?
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Hi,
If I get you right, what you mean is nobody will notice you have longer legs, but they will rather notice you have a shorter sitting height?
¿Is this what you mean? I feel most people slouch when sitting so if you keep a good posture it will be good for your back, and it will keep you in line with most people around you even if they have taller sitting heights.
¿ How do you feel about your arms to body ratio?
Yes exactly. For example, i have a few friends that are the same height as me(my new height). But when we sit down their sitting height is clearly higher than mine. I know about it and think about it so of course i also notice it. I dont know if they notice it though, but it would not surprise me.
Regarding proportions: I have been in the locker room many times together with other guys and noone has mention anything about my legs despite having barely any cloths on.
My arm to body ratio is very good. I was lucky there. But i think body height to sitting height ratio is more important.
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Gotta disagree, but everybody is entitled to his opinion. I for example am the exact Opposite
(Height: 1,67 with Short legs and 1,68 Wingspan). So when i sit down with my average sized German friends (all about 6ft tall) we have the same sitting height. It doesn’t really seem unnatural, since all people vary in torso-legs proportion.
In my opinion, short arm to body ratio seems unnatural and is way more eye-catching - so your all good.
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Gotta disagree, but everybody is entitled to his opinion. I for example am the exact Opposite
(Height: 1,67 with Short legs and 1,68 Wingspan). So when i sit down with my average sized German friends (all about 6ft tall) we have the same sitting height. It doesn’t really seem unnatural, since all people vary in torso-legs proportion.
In my opinion, short arm to body ratio seems unnatural and is way more eye-catching - so your all good.
Doing LL is not just about become taller, its also about being perceived as bigger and we sit down probably more than we stand up thus if you have a short sitting height you will be perceived as short/small.
Im pretty sure no one notices that someone has short arms.
Imagine being on a date with a girl and you are taller than her when you stand up but as soon as you sit down she is suddenly taller than you. She will probably notice that, at least unconsciously.
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Doing LL is not just about become taller, its also about being perceived as bigger and we sit down probably more than we stand up thus if you have a short sitting height you will be perceived as short/small.
Im pretty sure no one notices that someone has short arms.
Imagine being on a date with a girl and you are taller than her when you stand up but as soon as you sit down she is suddenly taller than you. She will probably notice that, at least unconsciously.
Did you measure yours sitting height? I know its inconvenient but it might help others to get a point of reference in regards to proportions.
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Doing LL is not just about become taller, its also about being perceived as bigger and we sit down probably more than we stand up thus if you have a short sitting height you will be perceived as short/small.
Im pretty sure no one notices that someone has short arms.
Imagine being on a date with a girl and you are taller than her when you stand up but as soon as you sit down she is suddenly taller than you. She will probably notice that, at least unconsciously.
I wouldn't care. I am 185 and i never sit straight, so i always look short in a sitting position but when I stand up people look at my height. I never cared about a sitting position.
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Not sure if you mentioned it earlier or not, could you please let me know of your weight(approximately, if you could recall) prior to the surgery? Just curious as I might want to reduce my weight a bit so I too could ditch the crutches after 6 weeks post op without having to worry about the nail bend/break.
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Hey did you get your nails removed?
Also how is your running now?
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Latest x-ray from October
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/a6h0Fc.jpg)
great
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I will do a major update in a few months.
As you can see from my x-rays the surgery and bone healing went well. However, that does not mean that 9cm is something i recommend, on the contrary actually.
Yes i have removed my nails. All your questions will be answered on the major update, so just wait.
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I will do a major update in a few months.
As you can see from my x-rays the surgery and bone healing went well. However, that does not mean that 9cm is something i recommend, on the contrary actually.
Yes i have removed my nails. All your questions will be answered on the major update, so just wait.
How many cm on femur would you recommend then and why?
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How many cm on femur would you recommend then and why?
It is recommend to stay under 8cm to prevent complications
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I will do a major update in a few months.
As you can see from my x-rays the surgery and bone healing went well. However, that does not mean that 9cm is something i recommend, on the contrary actually.
Yes i have removed my nails. All your questions will be answered on the major update, so just wait.
Good to hear all is well.
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I will do a major update in a few months.
As you can see from my x-rays the surgery and bone healing went well. However, that does not mean that 9cm is something i recommend, on the contrary actually.
Yes i have removed my nails. All your questions will be answered on the major update, so just wait.
Looking forward to it!
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Here comes an update.
The last 3 years have been quite challenging. I have had problems with my legs and especially the right leg. The more pressure/weight was put on the right leg the more pain i felt through the femur. Before the nail removal i thought to myself that once i remove the nail the pain will go away. But the pain was still present even after removing the nails.
Dr. Betz have unfortunately not been very helpful in this situation. In fact, he has not been helpful at all. During these three years, whenever I sent Dr. Betz x-rays I also mentioned the pain and every time he just answered something like "You need to do more PT/Training". Now, he might have been right about the PT/Training part. But telling a patient only this is like going to the gym for the first time with the goal of becoming a body builder and then your personal trainer just tells you "Yeah bro you need to workout more".
After removing the nails, I sent a long message to Dr. Betz and described my problem more in depth. Do you know what answer I got? that's right, he didn't answer at all.
So what I did instead was to contact Dr. Paley. He immediately answered and his first thought was that we were dealing with a tight-it band. However, I would have to meet him in order to give a correct diagnosis. So after a few months I meet him and he did examine me. The final conclusion was that the pressure pain was likely related to a week hip muscle. My right muscle was clearly weaker than my left. And my it-band is in fact tight and i have the so called "jumping hip" thing going on where the it band like jumps on the hip when rotating the leg. This was not a major issue though and could be done with a quick fix(it-band release) but it was not recommended by Dr. Paley at this stage. The important thing right now was to strengthen the muscles and the it-band release could be done anytime if it bothers me. Its only in extreme position the it band jumps, in daily life it does not.
This is very interesting because back in January I contacted a physiotherapist close to where i live. I suspected the problem was related to a tight it-band but my physiotherapist insisted we should instead try strengthen the muscles around the hip. I followed this program and saw a slight improvement, but nothing significant. Now however, the result seem to have come because since about 3 weeks the pressure pain is almost gone. So shoutout to my physiotherapist for identifying the problem first :D
So this is something you should think about if you are considering this surgery. Your muscles will become significantly weaker. Some muscles will become so weak that you cant function properly. Its therefore very important that you start training these muscles in a early stage.
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Here comes an update.
The last 3 years have been quite challenging. I have had problems with my legs and especially the right leg. The more pressure/weight was put on the right leg the more pain i felt through the femur. Before the nail removal i thought to myself that once i remove the nail the pain will go away. But the pain was still present even after removing the nails.
Dr. Betz have unfortunately not been very helpful in this situation. In fact, he has not been helpful at all. During these three years, whenever I sent Dr. Betz x-rays I also mentioned the pain and every time he just answered something like "You need to do more PT/Training". Now, he might have been right about the PT/Training part. But telling a patient only this is like going to the gym for the first time with the goal of becoming a body builder and then your personal trainer just tells you "Yeah bro you need to workout more".
After removing the nails, I sent a long message to Dr. Betz and described my problem more in depth. Do you know what answer I got? that's right, he didn't answer at all.
So what I did instead was to contact Dr. Paley. He immediately answered and his first thought was that we were dealing with a tight-it band. However, I would have to meet him in order to give a correct diagnosis. So after a few months I meet him and he did examine me. The final conclusion was that the pressure pain was likely related to a week hip muscle. My right muscle was clearly weaker than my left. And my it-band is in fact tight and i have the so called "jumping hip" thing going on where the it band like jumps on the hip when rotating the leg. This was not a major issue though and could be done with a quick fix(it-band release) but it was not recommended by Dr. Paley at this stage. The important thing right now was to strengthen the muscles and the it-band release could be done anytime if it bothers me. Its only in extreme position the it band jumps, in daily life it does not.
This is very interesting because back in January I contacted a physiotherapist close to where i live. I suspected the problem was related to a tight it-band but my physiotherapist insisted we should instead try strengthen the muscles around the hip. I followed this program and saw a slight improvement, but nothing significant. Now however, the result seem to have come because since about 3 weeks the pressure pain is almost gone. So shoutout to my physiotherapist for identifying the problem first :D
So this is something you should think about if you are considering this surgery. Your muscles will become significantly weaker. Some muscles will become so weak that you cant function properly. Its therefore very important that you start training these muscles in a early stage.
It is sad to hear that you feel neglected by Betz, but it is at least reassuring that the advice he gave you is pretty much the same as Paley and your physiotherapist - you need to train more. I wish you the best of luck!!
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Thanks for the update @tallertree
I am glad that you are feeling well now.
It’s good to know that I would have to work extensively to not only stretch the muscles but also strengthening the muscles.
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Thanks for the update, it's an interesting point of view.
I'll have my surgery in 2022, and am interested to know in advance what muscles specifically should be strengthened to prevent issues like this?
I guess glutes and other hip muscles, but if you have some specific exercises I'll take them to start working on strengthening the muscles.
Th
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Hi taller tree
I read you wished you did around 6cm instead of 9cm due to proportion issues but wanted to ask if you also started to feel lengthening got more difficult around that point? It is a common theme in diaries that it gets harder around 6cm what do you think?