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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: hasaki on July 09, 2022, 09:07:48 PM
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I started femoral surgery at livelifetaller last October and had a series of post-operative complications. These include but are not limited to osteomyelitis, osteochondrosis, and nerve damage. Of course, at this point, the most important thing to deal with is still osteomyelitis, which has left me unable to stand and walk independently and with a lot of pain almost a year after the surgery. At the very first interview with them, their doctor told me that their patients were usually able to walk off crutches two weeks after surgery and run within a month. I was convinced, so I had the surgery just a few days after the interview. Just a few hours after the surgery, they ask you to get out of bed and walk, and then they take video behind you. And the steps are repeated over the next few days. You have to do it and they will force you. That's why they have so many videos. I was discharged after 3 days in the hospital, which is usually a week for the rest of the team. After being discharged I noticed thick yellow and red fluid coming out of my wound and had asked them about it. They told me that it was normal drainage and that it meant that everything was fine (since I had no previous experience with infection, I didn't know it was an infection). After that, there was a lot of pus coming out every day and I asked them about it, but they told me to trust them and that they were sure I didn't have an infection. After being in pain for close to a month, their people came over to take x-rays of my femur, but found no success in lengthening it. So a few days later, I underwent a new surgery, which was a continuation of the nightmare. I noticed after the surgery that I had numbness in my left foot and no control of my thumb, which was more intense when I was lying down. As a result, I was unable to sleep most of the time. At first I thought I was losing too much blood and asked them about it. They still told me that everything was normal and that it was normal to experience numbness after surgery. It wasn't until last December when I returned to New York and found the infection had increased that I went to nyu langone for a checkup and they told me that I was diagnosed with osteomyelitis and had nerve damage and bone loss (before that, livelifetall told me that my bones were growing well). And they found that the infection was caused by the built-in metal contamination and recommended that I have immediate surgery and acute shortening of the gap between the bones, which meant that the surgery was a complete failure, so I refused. At a later time I re-inquired about livelifetaller and sent them my ct and x-ray and they told me their doctor had looked at it and still found no problems present. It wasn't until I gave them the nyulangone diagnosis report that they put the blame on me. They said my surgery failed because I took too much pain medication (what does this have to do with osteomyelitis?) However, while I was there they did not allow me to buy any medication and only gave me one or two diclofenac pills a day at my request. After that, their executives contacted me and threatened to hold me legally responsible if I told anyone about the incident. And after I was disabled by them, they still did not take any responsibility and compensate me.
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I am so sorry. They are terrible people, I have heard many terrible stories of them. They will contact you after they see this post and threaten you with legal repercussions. They did the same after a German friend posted a negative report about them here.
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I started femoral surgery at livelifetaller last October and had a series of post-operative complications. These include but are not limited to osteomyelitis, osteochondrosis, and nerve damage. Of course, at this point, the most important thing to deal with is still osteomyelitis, which has left me unable to stand and walk independently and with a lot of pain almost a year after the surgery. At the very first interview with them, their doctor told me that their patients were usually able to walk off crutches two weeks after surgery and run within a month. I was convinced, so I had the surgery just a few days after the interview. Just a few hours after the surgery, they ask you to get out of bed and walk, and then they take video behind you. And the steps are repeated over the next few days. You have to do it and they will force you. That's why they have so many videos. I was discharged after 3 days in the hospital, which is usually a week for the rest of the team. After being discharged I noticed thick yellow and red fluid coming out of my wound and had asked them about it. They told me that it was normal drainage and that it meant that everything was fine (since I had no previous experience with infection, I didn't know it was an infection). After that, there was a lot of pus coming out every day and I asked them about it, but they told me to trust them and that they were sure I didn't have an infection. After being in pain for close to a month, their people came over to take x-rays of my femur, but found no success in lengthening it. So a few days later, I underwent a new surgery, which was a continuation of the nightmare. I noticed after the surgery that I had numbness in my left foot and no control of my thumb, which was more intense when I was lying down. As a result, I was unable to sleep most of the time. At first I thought I was losing too much blood and asked them about it. They still told me that everything was normal and that it was normal to experience numbness after surgery. It wasn't until last December when I returned to New York and found the infection had increased that I went to nyu langone for a checkup and they told me that I was diagnosed with osteomyelitis and had nerve damage and bone loss (before that, livelifetall told me that my bones were growing well). And they found that the infection was caused by the built-in metal contamination and recommended that I have immediate surgery and acute shortening of the gap between the bones, which meant that the surgery was a complete failure, so I refused. At a later time I re-inquired about livelifetaller and sent them my ct and x-ray and they told me their doctor had looked at it and still found no problems present. It wasn't until I gave them the nyulangone diagnosis report that they put the blame on me. They said my surgery failed because I took too much pain medication (what does this have to do with osteomyelitis?) However, while I was there they did not allow me to buy any medication and only gave me one or two diclofenac pills a day at my request. After that, their executives contacted me and threatened to hold me legally responsible if I told anyone about the incident. And after I was disabled by them, they still did not take any responsibility and compensate me.
Osteomyelitis? Their executives threatened?? WTF?? :o Who is that Dr Halil? Woww man felt sorry for you.. :-X If i was you i would have gone to police or press at least about this. :(
I heard similar stories with several other patients aswell. Why nobody is going to press about this? It seems they are getting many Japanese these days and share dairy in twitter.. Somebody should warn these poor people. :( :(
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I am so sorry. They are terrible people, I have heard many terrible stories of them. They will contact you after they see this post and threaten you with legal repercussions. They did the same after a German friend posted a negative report about them here.
Threaten with legal repercussions? How?
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They distinguish infections with their nose, not their eyes. This is amazing to me. Every time they smelled the pus-covered gauze and told me I didn't have an infection.
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It seems that they now have a lot of Japanese salesmen and stigmatize those victims who have had serious complications in livelifetaller.
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First of all, I"m very sorry for your situation. It seemed serious. I think you should start making wise decisions supported by lots of careful research. Height is a life goal, but your health is the most important.
There're always bad people and unfortunately we have to live with them. The best thing we could do is to avoid them, by gathering knowledge.
If you did extensive research, you would have known that this is outrageously a god damn lie. Walking off crutches = walking unaided, usually careful LLers only attempt this after a good amount of CONSOLIDATION. Let alone running within a month - bs! No LLers ever be able to achieve this, even if one only lengthen 1cm theoretically.
At the very first interview with them, their doctor told me that their patients were usually able to walk off crutches two weeks after surgery and run within a month. I was convinced...
It's never late to start making wise decision, better than letting things go worse. I assumed you got the suggestion to shorten from a reputable org in NY. I'd seriously consider this. Best thing to do now is to save your health. LL will have to come later. And by next time, you will have gathered some crucial experiences.
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Not attacking you but can you provide proof of your allegations against the Live life taller company?
This forum has become truly a breeding ground of various turkish doctors talking each other in their quest to amass more customers
Please find the time and sit down and elaborate on your original post in a objective and non emotional manner as if youre writing a court deposition and most importantly try to provide xrays and more detailed explanation on who, where, what happened
It boggled the mind how people still go to this company solely based on the fact that their website and instagram is filled with patients faces
Imagine trying to do this extremely socially embarrassing procedure in secrecy and then 5 months later you randomly stumble on a video of you in a hospital gown pushing a walker in a hospital corridor while grimacing and sweating your ass off from exertion. Just from the fact that they keep such an active instagram id NEVER come near those people.
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I started femoral surgery at livelifetaller last October and had a series of post-operative complications. These include but are not limited to osteomyelitis, osteochondrosis, and nerve damage. Of course, at this point, the most important thing to deal with is still osteomyelitis, which has left me unable to stand and walk independently and with a lot of pain almost a year after the surgery. At the very first interview with them, their doctor told me that their patients were usually able to walk off crutches two weeks after surgery and run within a month. I was convinced, so I had the surgery just a few days after the interview. Just a few hours after the surgery, they ask you to get out of bed and walk, and then they take video behind you. And the steps are repeated over the next few days. You have to do it and they will force you. That's why they have so many videos. I was discharged after 3 days in the hospital, which is usually a week for the rest of the team. After being discharged I noticed thick yellow and red fluid coming out of my wound and had asked them about it. They told me that it was normal drainage and that it meant that everything was fine (since I had no previous experience with infection, I didn't know it was an infection). After that, there was a lot of pus coming out every day and I asked them about it, but they told me to trust them and that they were sure I didn't have an infection. After being in pain for close to a month, their people came over to take x-rays of my femur, but found no success in lengthening it. So a few days later, I underwent a new surgery, which was a continuation of the nightmare. I noticed after the surgery that I had numbness in my left foot and no control of my thumb, which was more intense when I was lying down. As a result, I was unable to sleep most of the time. At first I thought I was losing too much blood and asked them about it. They still told me that everything was normal and that it was normal to experience numbness after surgery. It wasn't until last December when I returned to New York and found the infection had increased that I went to nyu langone for a checkup and they told me that I was diagnosed with osteomyelitis and had nerve damage and bone loss (before that, livelifetall told me that my bones were growing well). And they found that the infection was caused by the built-in metal contamination and recommended that I have immediate surgery and acute shortening of the gap between the bones, which meant that the surgery was a complete failure, so I refused. At a later time I re-inquired about livelifetaller and sent them my ct and x-ray and they told me their doctor had looked at it and still found no problems present. It wasn't until I gave them the nyulangone diagnosis report that they put the blame on me. They said my surgery failed because I took too much pain medication (what does this have to do with osteomyelitis?) However, while I was there they did not allow me to buy any medication and only gave me one or two diclofenac pills a day at my request. After that, their executives contacted me and threatened to hold me legally responsible if I told anyone about the incident. And after I was disabled by them, they still did not take any responsibility and compensate me.
Sorry that my English isn't that good. I am trying to understand what you experienced in LL. Are you saying your legs experienced unexpected pain and your height is the same as starting height?
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The current height is shorter than at the end of the lengthening, probably due to the tilting of the intramedullary nail caused by osteolysis.
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The livelifetaller trolls/employees coming in 3,2,1...
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I can't upload pictures on this forum, so I'm attaching a link to my Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf1C3b0ONXI/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf1DAzruw4r/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf1EGAVO7nT/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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You can see the livelifetaller equipment is rusty
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So sad to hear this man..You fell for their bait...Anyone who advertises any sort of cosmetic procedures needs to be scrutinized carefully? Things will get better..Stay Strong!
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You are clearly japanese and not good in English, and this case is too serious to be left not explained so I took a look at your instagram and will try to piece together what happened to you for reference.
1. You went to live life taller for LON Femur
2. they told you will run in one month after surgery - complete nonsense
3. you had the surgery and they installed a recycled rusty frame from previous patients - that's just NASTY
4. You immediately developed a pin site infection infection, which is a common occurence with external frames
5. your infection was not immediately taken seriously and treated with antibiotics
6. you were in considerable amount of pain for 2 months while you distracted something like, what, 7 cm?
7. in the meantime the infection spread down to the bone and became osteomyelitis
8. you were given diclofenac which is a NSAID as a painkiller, a well known non union inducing medicine
9. you had the frame removed and flew back to new york
10. based on your xrays id say you have NON UNION and the proximal femur is getting disintegrated by osteomyelitis
11. doctors in new york told you to immediately get surgery to remove the nail and shorten the femur back to the original length
12. you denied because you think you can fix the situation while having the gap
13. now, one year later, whats happening with your bones? do you have a recent xray?
with the osteomyelitis going on and your non union, you cannot fix the situation with bone grafting. There is just not enough bone in your hip or ribs to competently cover the entirety of the gaps and get everything to stick together
Overall, definitely grounds to sue for CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE
absolutely shocking incompetence
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This is absolutely horrific. It is pretty clear that when you do surgery with wannabetaller or livelifetaller you essentially sign away your life to unscrupulous grifters. Basic stuff such as standing, walking and running unhindered can easily be taken away from you by negligent doctors.
You can try strong antibiotics for a prolonged period to try and clear up the bone infection. But tbh as long as you have hardware in your femur, the infection is likely to return once you stop the course of antibiotics. It seems reasonable that you must remove the hardware before the antibiotics course, to give your body maximum chance to heal. Either way, it seems as if the demineralization and excessive lengthening have brought on a misalignment of the upper and lower parts of the femur, at least in the left femur. Do you really want the femur to heal in this angle? If not, you must reposition the nail. For this to be successful, you probably have to narrow the gap a couple of centimetres to relieve some of the tension on the nail. The good thing is that by narrowing the gap, you will also stimulate bone growth once the infection has cleared.
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This is absolutely horrific. It is pretty clear that when you do surgery with wannabetaller or livelifetaller you essentially sign away your life to unscrupulous grifters. Basic stuff such as standing, walking and running unhindered can easily be taken away from you by negligent doctors.
You can try strong antibiotics for a prolonged period to try and clear up the bone infection. But tbh as long as you have hardware in your femur, the infection is likely to return once you stop the course of antibiotics. It seems reasonable that you must remove the hardware before the antibiotics course, to give your body maximum chance to heal. Either way, it seems as if the demineralization and excessive lengthening have brought on a misalignment of the upper and lower parts of the femur, at least in the left femur. Do you really want the femur to heal in this angle? If not, you must reposition the nail. For this to be successful, you probably have to narrow the gap a couple of centimetres to relieve some of the tension on the nail. The good thing is that by narrowing the gap, you will also stimulate bone growth once the infection has cleared.
Is demineralisation same meaning as loss if calcium, like osteoporosis? And by narrowing the gap, it means to give up small amount of height so infection won't go far?
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yes and yes
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But let me clarify, narrowing the gap is done to relive the tension on the nail, so that it can be repositioned to take care of the misalignment. Relieving the tension should also facilitate healing, even though it falls short of removing the hardware completely.
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The director of nyulangone judged it to be an intraoperative infection, and I went to another hospital. The same result was obtained, the implant was contaminated and needed to be removed and the gap shortened. But I refused because it would have meant a complete waste of money and time. And after I asked the livelifetaller, they told me that my problem would be solved with the passage of time.
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Not attacking you but can you provide proof of your allegations against the Live life taller company?
This forum has become truly a breeding ground of various turkish doctors talking each other in their quest to amass more customers
Please find the time and sit down and elaborate on your original post in a objective and non emotional manner as if youre writing a court deposition and most importantly try to provide xrays and more detailed explanation on who, where, what happened
It boggled the mind how people still go to this company solely based on the fact that their website and instagram is filled with patients faces
Imagine trying to do this extremely socially embarrassing procedure in secrecy and then 5 months later you randomly stumble on a video of you in a hospital gown pushing a walker in a hospital corridor while grimacing and sweating your ass off from exertion. Just from the fact that they keep such an active instagram id NEVER come near those people.
People are still going to this place because victims are staying silent with fear of embarrassment mostly. Also it seems managers of livelifetaller threaten every patient who has a complication like this. I guess his name is sedat. Dr Halil&Sedat.. I guess he is a surgeon too. I could not find any other information about him..
I guess the post owner is not good with computer. Here you go uploaded all here. Now i can go vomit.. :-[
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Even as the picture shows, they still claim I have no infection and only gave me antibiotics for three days at the worst time.
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Just pure upset to watch this. Do we have a section on the forum to list these?
1. List of certified serious complications
2. List of surgeons to absolutely avoid. livelifetaller would ultimately go to this list, despite their success cases, if they really had any.
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Even as the picture shows, they still claim I have no infection and only gave me antibiotics for three days at the worst time.
can you stop feeding us bread crumbs one sentence at a time??
Write the entire story in one big post already.
There are shocking details which needs to be elaborated on like for example
1. why did you get kicked out of the hospital at day 3 instead of at least day 5 or day 7 like other normal doctors? Did they want to save money from hospital bills while discounting the fact that by day 3 youre still not in the clear from PE or DVT??
2. didnt you get infused antibiotics for 3 days in the hopsital and then oral course for 10 more days?
3. what kind of painkillers did you get during your lengtheniung?
4. did you get equipment failure where they did a second surgery to rebreak your bone?
5. how much did you distract and how come noone saw you have non union for the entire time you were in frames?
6. why did they remove the frame when you finished your lengthening with non union?
7. didnt you see on your xrays you have non union? did they even show you your xrays?
8. did you leave with a wheelchair from turkey to america?
9. in december when you got diagnosed with these massive complications what was your next move?
10. what is your current situation, can you give us recent xrays?
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can you stop feeding us bread crumbs one sentence at a time??
Write the entire story in one big post already.
There are shocking details which needs to be elaborated on like for example
1. why did you get kicked out of the hospital at day 3 instead of at least day 5 or day 7 like other normal doctors? Did they want to save money from hospital bills while discounting the fact that by day 3 youre still not in the clear from PE or DVT??
2. didnt you get infused antibiotics for 3 days in the hopsital and then oral course for 10 more days?
3. what kind of painkillers did you get during your lengtheniung?
4. did you get equipment failure where they did a second surgery to rebreak your bone?
5. how much did you distract and how come noone saw you have non union for the entire time you were in frames?
6. why did they remove the frame when you finished your lengthening with non union?
7. didnt you see on your xrays you have non union? did they even show you your xrays?
8. did you leave with a wheelchair from turkey to america?
9. in december when you got diagnosed with these massive complications what was your next move?
10. what is your current situation, can you give us recent xrays?
Hello hasaki,
In addition to the questions above, please answer my questions so we can get a better understanding of what happened.
11. What was your lengthening rate?
12. Did you clean and disinfect all your pin sites on a daily basis with antibiotics, as you must do with external fixators to prevent infections?
13. Did you take a shower that washed the antibiotics away from the pin sites on your legs?
14. Where were you staying during lengthening?
15. How did you visit a physical therapist or physical therapy center, and why did your PT not take any action? Any decent physical therapist would have noticed something horribly gone wrong and reported it to the doctor or hospital.
16. Do they only take X-rays once a month, which is not enough since X-rays every 2 weeks is standard?
17. Why didn't your doctor detect a non-union earlier? Questions from boklecrt about X-rays are important. It's absolutely mind blowing that a doctor could not notice a non-union earlier and slow down, pause, or reverse lengthening.
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1. My guess is that they are trying to save money. Because a day after the second surgery I was asked to be discharged by them, but of course the hospital they work with does not recommend .
2. When I was in Turkey, I only took oral antibiotics for 3 days.
3. Diclofenac
4. livelifetaller said it was due to the failure of the intramedullary nail
5. I lengthened about 6.5cm and at the time they told me my bone was growing well. But later when I took the x-ray they gave me to the nyulango doctor, I was told that there was no sign of bone growth.
6. I originally planned to remove the frame when I extended it to 7cm, but they seemed to operate a lot at that time. So their staff came over and talked me into removing the frame as soon as possible.
7. same with 5
8. Yes
9. Hospitalized for a week with intravenous antibiotic infusion. Also oral antibiotics twice a day until today
10. On the 12th of this month, nyulango' doctor asked me to go over to shoot the MIR.
11. They require 1.5 mm per day
12. At the time they didn't allow me to shower and their staff was a bit lazy. Even when I had an abscess, I came over once every three days to change the gauze. They also did not allow me to change them privately.
13. I stayed in a hotel with whom they have a partnership agreement.
14. Probably because of the gauze, their therapist only knew that I had nerve damage.
15.They took x-rays every two weeks and the first time told me I wasn't successful in extending. The second time they told me my bones were growing well and not to worry.
16. They didn't even tell me to slow down and extend, even though I was reacting to the pain with them every day.
17. I think most of the pain was due to the infection rather than prolongation, as the pain decreased a lot after my IV antibiotic infusion.
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Lengthening femurs 1.5 mm per day? That's why you got a non-union.
Standard for femurs is 1.0mm/day. Patients with faster consolidation can go to 1.25mm/day on femurs, but I never heard of lengthening 1.5mm/day.
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Lengthening femurs 1.5 mm per day? That's why you got a non-union.
Standard for femurs is 1.0mm/day. Patients with faster consolidation can go to 1.25mm/day on femurs, but I never heard of lengthening 1.5mm/day.
That 0.25mm velocity could significantly change the outcome?
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This is what they asked me to do
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This is what they asked me to do
Before the surgery, did you mention that it should be 1mm per day for healing to the staffs???
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This is what they asked me to do
If they were in the U.S., they would be sued for malpractice, shut down, and even arrested.
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That 0.25mm velocity could significantly change the outcome?
Yes. Think in terms of % and you'll see how much additional stress your body'd have to endure. 1mm/day is standard for femur, but most people slow down to .75/day after 3-4cm.
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Before the surgery, did you mention that it should be 1mm per day for healing to the staffs???
If a patient has to tell this then it'd be already wrong from the 1st place! Medical figures are to be told by the MD, not the other way around.
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Yes. Think in terms of % and you'll see how much additional stress your body'd have to endure. 1mm/day is standard for femur, but most people slow down to .75/day after 3-4cm.
Indeed. Thanks.
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@Medium Drink water
petition to make this thread Stickied on top of the Experiences subforum
@HASAKI
read this thread http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64740.0
This is another patient who had gotten maimed by another turkish company however I am sending it to you for the contact of his attorneys which you should contact to build a case against Live life disabled
My lawyers are a Turkish law firm based in London.
They are called London legal international
http://londonlegalint.co.uk/
+442036407692
You need to sue for your payment back + damages
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Do you have current X-rays or current pictures of your scars?
what does it look like after a year?
why are you posting this after a year?
your story is very questionable.
if you really are that person then you should also have current pictures.
during an operation with external fixators it can happen that the skin gets an infection, the only question is after this infection how it ended, i can't imagine that your wounds don't always look like this.
I hope you're not another idiot scaring people here because he's being paid by other doctors to put other doctors down.
whatever, get well soon
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Don't worry, I'll go shoot mir tomorrow and upload my scar picture at the same time to crush livelifetaller's defense. I have plenty of evidence and some of my patients know me and they know about the threats that livelifetaller has made to me. It is indefensible!
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The reason it took me close to a year to post is because I suffer from verified depression, and that can make people lazy. I will also upload the anti-depressants I am currently taking.
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Don't worry, I'll go shoot mir tomorrow and upload my scar picture at the same time to crush livelifetaller's defense. I have plenty of evidence and some of my patients know me and they know about the threats that livelifetaller has made to me. It is indefensible!
Can you make screenshots of the messages/emails where they threatened you and post them here as well as on your instagram?
Also I recommend you change your instagram username to livelifetaller2 or something like that so that when users search for their profile your profile also comes up and they are able to see what these criminals have done to you. Many people stumble on their website without knowing of this forum and making good research.
Good luck on your MRI tomorrow, we are awaiting your upload of that. In the future if you want to upload a photo here, use this website: https://www.turboimagehost.com/
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The reason it took me close to a year to post is because I suffer from verified depression, and that can make people lazy. I will also upload the anti-depressants I am currently taking.
Its understandable to be depressed but do not despair, medical science has gone a LONG WAY. Furthermore, you are dealing with very high level american doctors so I am hoping they would be able to fix the problem.
Remember, better to revert the entire procedure and heal your legs AND THEN in a few years down the road you could attempt new surgery. Preferably down on your tibia this time far away from the original proximal femur crime scene
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I have the chat transcript of their executives threatening me, but it is not in English, should I upload it.
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I have the chat transcript of their executives threatening me, but it is not in English, should I upload it.
What language is it?
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Chinese. At that time, other people used my situation to publicize. They mistakenly thought it was me, so they told me that her boss told me to delete that instagram within 24 hours, or I would pay legal consequences.
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Chinese. At that time, other people used my situation to publicize. They mistakenly thought it was me, so they told me that her boss told me to delete that instagram within 24 hours, or I would pay legal consequences.
Please post screenshots of the chat transcript in its entirety in its original and then we will have a member here translate it for all of us. As far as i know, our very own moderator here Medium Drink Water is chinese so if he bothers to translate it for everyone no one would accuse him of being dishonest.
Do not be scared by their bullying tactics, you must retain the services of an attorney as soon as possible, did you contact this company I sent you in one of my previous posts? Call them up and retain them, and they will help you start organizing your files and statements in order to sue Life Life Disabled for your original payment + extra damages and emotional distress you've suffered from the consequences of their SHOCKING MALPRACTICE.
Then they could counter sue for defamation, however you will have had a case in motion against them for Malpractice so their case would be thrown out.
Of course, this is by no means legal advice as I am not an attorney, therefore best to discuss it with the lawyers.
We are waiting on those chat transcripts!!!
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Chinese. At that time, other people used my situation to publicize. They mistakenly thought it was me, so they told me that her boss told me to delete that instagram within 24 hours, or I would pay legal consequences.
They can not do anything. You are the VICTIM here not them. Show everyone what kind of horrible people they are. You have nothing to be ashamed or afraid of.
Ignore these idiots who still questions your story. His story is not scaring other patients, it shows them which doctor and company they should avoid.
Your story shows importance of post-op care for a limb lengthening patient. All the things you encounter were the things easily avoidable with solid aftercare and follow ups.
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Man, this is terrible. You mention that you returned to New York...which means you live there. I am wondering why you didn't visit Dr. Rozbroch who practices there. You left the best country to do limb-lengthening in...to go to the worst country to do CLL. I imagine it was a money thing, of course, which I do understand. But when anyone is doing CLL, and I can't stress this enough...you absolutely can't "bargain shop." They made promises to you that are absolutely absurd and untrue...anyone who has spent 10 minutes on this site can corroborate this. Get yourself all fixed up, and bring legal action against that doctor. You can probably do it through a US attorney who will collaborate with a Turkish attorney. I am no legal expert, but at the very least, you have a case. And no...they can't do a damn thing to you legally. They've already done their damage...now it's your turn to hold them responsible. Good luck, I am pulling for you first and foremost for your health...but go after these gd people for financial compensation.
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Here's today's MIR report and images
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/77944136_5784607.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77944136/5784607.png.html)
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t1/77944152_8396422.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77944152/8396422.png.html)
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This is a picture of the scar on my proximal femur, which is very large because of the infection.
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t1/77944195_11.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77944195/11.jpg.html)
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t1/77944196_22.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77944196/22.jpg.html)
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Are you having to pay out of pocket in New York City for all the necessary corrective treatments and surgeries?
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As far as I know, insurance should reimburse some of it.
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I shared your story in my twitter a few days ago. Couple hours ago livelifetaller posted some tweets to reply.
Check out what they say. By the way it seems executives are not happy because i shared all this on twitter.
They think they already know who am i :o It seems they will take legal action against me aswell :P Everybody knows that you can't do crap.
Suck my d. m. f. ;D ;D ;D
(https://i.im.ge/2022/07/14/uePy0M.jpg) (https://i.im.ge/2022/07/14/uePAcY.jpg)
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See this is how they handle the problem, passing the buck, creating rumors and threats.
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This was the answer I got from livelifetaller customer service when I asked them in early March today why I was still in so much pain. They claimed that everything was normal with my x-rays. And the comparison is nyulango's diagnosis report. Pay attention to the date.
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t1/77973548_111.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973548/111.png.html) (https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t1/77973550_8640674.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973550/8640674.png.html)
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This is the chat log of their executives threatening me, and they are the same people that Charizard pointed out earlier.
(https://s8d5.turboimg.net/t1/77973616_222.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973616/222.png.html) (https://s8d5.turboimg.net/t1/77973617_333.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973617/333.png.html)
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Would you mind translating to English?
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google translate supports uploading images
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Would you mind translating to English?
man just flip it into a picture translate software or website, it's not that hard, op has enough weight on his shoulders..
@hasaki very sorry for you, this is almost as terrible as unicorn's case. please hang on and hold your head up, big respects for sharing your story, I really appreciate it. I wish you the best!
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I shared your story in my twitter a few days ago. Couple hours ago livelifetaller posted some tweets to reply.
Check out what they say. By the way it seems executives are not happy because i shared all this on twitter.
They think they already know who am i :o It seems they will take legal action against me aswell :P Everybody knows that you can't do crap.
Suck my d. m. f. ;D ;D ;D
(https://i.im.ge/2022/07/14/uePy0M.jpg) (https://i.im.ge/2022/07/14/uePAcY.jpg)
I do not understand why LLT listed hepatitis A as a cause of increased susceptibility to infection.
Hepatitis A does not usually cause chronic hepatitis, and if the patient had acute hepatitis A, it would be inappropriate to perform surgery on him in that state.
If the hospital wants to say that the patient developed hepatitis A after the surgery, does the hospital have evidence of this?
But if hepatitis A did occur, I don't think it would cause osteomyelitis.
LLT's claim seems unreasonable.
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And a virus is not the same thing as a bacteria. Also I was discharged from the hospital with an infection and the doctor at nyulango judged it to be an intraoperative infection. The problem with livelifetaller is not that they are good doctors, but that they like to hide the problem and pass the buck.
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you make yourself punishable by publishing the chat history of others here. in the chat history you can see the name and also the profile picture. if they report you there is a hefty fine and up to 1 year in prison. I don't think you publish the chat history if you had your profile picture too.
to publish a chat history/picture you need the consent of the person
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you make yourself punishable by publishing the chat history of others here. in the chat history you can see the name and also the profile picture. if they report you there is a hefty fine and up to 1 year in prison. I don't think you publish the chat history if you had your profile picture too.
to publish a chat history/picture you need the consent of the person
Where did you get that information from? Please send link to the law so I can see. Haven't heard anything like that
You're saying saying Doja Cat can get Noah Schnapp in jail for a year for leaking her DMs? lol
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https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publishing-personal-and-private-information
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man just flip it into a picture translate software or website, it's not that hard, op has enough weight on his shoulders..
@hasaki very sorry for you, this is almost as terrible as unicorn's case. please hang on and hold your head up, big respects for sharing your story, I really appreciate it. I wish you the best!
hardly compares to unicorn case which was a matter of simple non union and idiotic mechanical nail design that had to be clicked combined with an doctor who charged her 100 000 pounds for the pleasure. also she didnt take painkillers and was being overly dramatic in her descriptions of her having to pee in her cats water bowl
hasaki here has bilateral non union, as well as osteomyelitis as well as bone loss in the proximal femur, as well as right femur misalignment
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https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/publishing-personal-and-private-information
maybe you shouldnt talk out of your ass when giving legal advice as its not helpful and you're just scaring the already stressed beyond belief hasaki
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She should be the executive of the so-called livelifetaller
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you make yourself punishable by publishing the chat history of others here. in the chat history you can see the name and also the profile picture. if they report you there is a hefty fine and up to 1 year in prison. I don't think you publish the chat history if you had your profile picture too.
to publish a chat history/picture you need the consent of the person
When i saw your post here i was like ??? wait a second where did i hear these two words before in same sentence? yeah thats right, it was on LiveLifeTaller's tweet about me..
The writer of that tweet took a screenshot of my profile.. You see anything unusual? Yeapp thats right writer who wrote that tweet uses twitter in German..
Guess who else speaks german in LiveLifeTaller? Dr. Sedat? or just Sedat. I don't know which is true because it seems you are trying to show your self like a doc but you are not.
An ex lengthening patient turn out to be manager of livelifetaller..
When i checked your previous posts guess what more i found? You are the one who accuse Dr. Serkan and Neko.
Actually it was you who threatened the patient's as like you threatened hasaki with this post aren't you? http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=70773.0
You also used similar disinformation techniques to accuse Cyborg4life and Paley in this post..
Out of the blue an account shows up and posts something like this.. and right away you answer to that http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71276.0
Also it seems you are watching Starwars.. darthmaul.. Tired of the fake dairies ;D ;D http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71271.0
I caught you Sedat ;D ;D You fkn bastard..
(https://i.im.ge/2022/07/15/FTrYsq.jpg)
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Now..that's.. creepy
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(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t1/78016497_9343030.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/78016497/9343030.jpg.html)
HASAKI
Which of these was your assistant during your time in Turkey, as we have to get their name so that you are able to hold them co-responsible in your court case for butchering you. The absolute mind boggling lapse in adequate post surgery care is not solely on the shoulders of Buldu, but to someone of this football team on the photo
The fact that you didnt have the infection cleared as soon as possible AND was kept with non union over the course of at least 3 xrays as well as the final xray before the surgery means that no one showed Buldu your xrays and some unqualified team member was quickly glancing over the xrays and telling you its all good. Buldu may have questionable reputation but in the end of the day he is a certified orthopedic surgeon so there is no humanly possible way he saw a single xray of yours and didnt immediately catch the non union.
If they caught your infection and non union on time they could've reversed the frame back to stick together, put you on an aggressive course of IV antibiotics and when everything is clear, re-attempt the lengthening.
We need to get to the bottom of this as this case is grounds for the complete dissolution of LLT which im sure Buldu wouldnt want especially not when his reputation has been completely bombed by one or several of the people on this photo
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The front-most left is the assistant who changed my bandages, who was a bit lazy and often stressed that I didn't have an infection. In the middle of the second row were the executives who threatened me.
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But the truth is that my infection has been so bad that their doctors were definitely able to notice it when they removed my frame
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So sorry for OP. I hope you're able to sue the fk out of these bastards. The LL community is with you on this. Hope they get their practice shut down and are sued for every penny they have made.
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The front-most left is the assistant who changed my bandages, who was a bit lazy and often stressed that I didn't have an infection. In the middle of the second row were the executives who threatened me.
BASTARDS!!! UNACCEPTABLE
Here's today's MIR report and images
(https://s8d3.turboimg.net/t/77944136_5784607.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77944136/5784607.png.html)
(https://s8d7.turboimg.net/t1/77944152_8396422.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77944152/8396422.png.html)
Anyway, so what happened on your visit from the other day, what did the doctor say in laymans terms regarding your current situation? I am unable to understand neither the photo you posted nor the report due to the medical jargon
As far as I understood you have been taking oral antibiotics for 7 months now, correct? Has this been giving you any side effects? How is your stomach, do you have frequent nausea and diarrhea and stomach pains?
Has this made any impact on the osteomyelitis? Did the doctor say you need to remove the nail in order to remove all irritants from the infection site?
Remember its best to remove the nail, re-damage the already necrotized ends of the two femur pieces and push them together to get them to re-attach, make sure the infection is cleared and wait for full bone healing. This is just so you can walk again with your old height.
Then in the future you can do tibias when this entire nightmare is firmly behind you and a distant memory
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Misalignment, non-union and osteomyelitis.
Livelifetaller - Nah bro it's his fault coz he got Hep A. If you're going to do it in Turkey it seems we know where to steer clear of now.
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It seems Asi219 (LiveLifeTaller Sedat) turn pale out of fear after cyborg4life's ultimatum and sent an apology to moderation
and requested removal of his fake account's false accusation post.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71276.0
You can not run anymore you little rat ;D ;D Still acting but noone buys it anymore. I will follow you wherever you go!
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you hobbyless person.
I am neither Sedat nor have I written an apology letter.
find yourself a hobby maybe then you will become a human.
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you hobbyless person.
I am neither Liveliftalle Sedat nor have I written an apology letter.
find yourself a hobby maybe then you will become a human.
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When i saw your post here i was like ??? wait a second where did i hear these two words before in same sentence? yeah thats right, it was on LiveLifeTaller's tweet about me..
The writer of that tweet took a screenshot of my profile.. You see anything unusual? Yeapp thats right writer who wrote that tweet uses twitter in German..
Guess who else speaks german in LiveLifeTaller? Dr. Sedat? or just Sedat. I don't know which is true because it seems you are trying to show your self like a doc but you are not.
An ex lengthening patient turn out to be manager of livelifetaller..
When i checked your previous posts guess what more i found? You are the one who accuse Dr. Serkan and Neko.
Actually it was you who threatened the patient's as like you threatened hasaki with this post aren't you? http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=70773.0
You also used similar disinformation techniques to accuse Cyborg4life and Paley in this post..
Out of the blue an account shows up and posts something like this.. and right away you answer to that http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71276.0
Also it seems you are watching Starwars.. darthmaul.. Tired of the fake dairies ;D ;D http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71271.0
I caught you Sedat ;D ;D You fkn bastard..
(https://i.im.ge/2022/07/15/FTrYsq.jpg)
I don't think that those words are sufficient evidence that Asi219 is Sedat, but it is a bit suspect.
However, as you say, it is an obvious fact that Asi219 accused Dr. Serkan and that Asi219 tried to stop the exposure of the LLT message by hasaki.
Whether or not Asi219 is Sedat himself, his opinion shows bias.
Considering the state of the LL clinic industry in Turkey, I don't see any contradiction if Asi219 is an LLT official.
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Considering the state of the LL clinic industry in Turkey, I don't see any contradiction if Asi219 is an LLT official.
These turks are so stupid with the way they mutilate their patients. Imagine if they put the effort in to provide perfect surgery and care for each and every patient like the way other doctors do(like donghoon lee in korea). The same is true for the Hair transplant industry in turkey where they have dosens of different hair transplant companies that provide extremely low quality end result again by the form of a package deal - 1000 usd for 5000 grafts + hotel ;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't put it past Buldu to start offering hair transplants + limb lengthening combo deals like that guy working with Betz
"Extend your legs and grow your hair back!"
But then it turns out its really:
"Become disabled and get a head that looks like its eaten by moths!"
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This is the chat log of their executives threatening me, and they are the same people that Charizard pointed out earlier.
(https://s8d5.turboimg.net/t1/77973616_222.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973616/222.png.html) (https://s8d5.turboimg.net/t1/77973617_333.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973617/333.png.html)
@hasaki It's horrifying to read through your story. Please continue to update us with your situation. This could save lives.
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Has this made any impact on the osteomyelitis? Did the doctor say you need to remove the nail in order to remove all irritants from the infection site?
The initial advice from the doctors was to replace the nails, which they considered to be the main source of infection
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Their executive was very upset that I posted their chat transcript here and she claims to have contacted a lawyer. ;D ;D
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Has this made any impact on the osteomyelitis? Did the doctor say you need to remove the nail in order to remove all irritants from the infection site?
The initial advice from the doctors was to replace the nails, which they considered to be the main source of infection
hasaki tell us the full picture, whats your situation right now?
1. any pain?
2. where and what level on a scale of 1 to 10?
3. still in wheelchair?
4. what about crutches?
5. how are you dealing with every day life in your state?
6. whats your plan?
7. are you going to listen to the doctor and get surgery to remove the nails?
8. After removal will they shorten the gap to promote union?
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1. I have to say that the infection was very painful, especially in the left leg
2. The left leg is 8 when moving, especially the proximal femur and knee. The right leg is 4 to 5.
3. I use a wheelchair when I go out and a walker when I am at home, and I am currently unable to use crutches.
6. I plan to see a doctor and make an appointment for the surgery.
7. Yes, I have to do this.
8. I'm guessing they'll shorten the gap, but I'm hoping they'll use a bone graft. I think the dislocation of the left leg would be a problem.
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Their executive was very upset that I posted their chat transcript here and she claims to have contacted a lawyer. ;D ;D
Take screenshot of it and post it here ;D Show the world what kind of people they are >:( >:(
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1. I have to say that the infection was very painful, especially in the left leg
2. The left leg is 8 when moving, especially the proximal femur and knee. The right leg is 4 to 5.
3. I use a wheelchair when I go out and a walker when I am at home, and I am currently unable to use crutches.
6. I plan to see a doctor and make an appointment for the surgery.
7. Yes, I have to do this.
8. I'm guessing they'll shorten the gap, but I'm hoping they'll use a bone graft. I think the dislocation of the left leg would be a problem.
Can't they clean up the infection somehow? Maybe stem-cell or bone graft may help?
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I don't see any contradiction if Asi219 is an LLT official.
Come on mason, it's too obvious. That fker was manipulating people here with his bot accounts until he pussied out after cyborg's message XD
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Come on mason, it's too obvious. That fker was manipulating people here with his bot accounts until he pussied out after cyborg's message XD
I will add what I know about this topic.
I know that someone associated with LLT called this topic a "false rumor" and said that LL surgery applicants should not read this forum.
I don't know the details of other Turkish providers, but LLT's response on this matter is dishonest.
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I will add what I know about this topic.
this topic = hasaki's trouble
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This is the chat log of their executives threatening me, and they are the same people that Charizard pointed out earlier.
(https://s8d5.turboimg.net/t1/77973616_222.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973616/222.png.html) (https://s8d5.turboimg.net/t1/77973617_333.png) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/77973617/333.png.html)
支持同胞 他们就是臭傻逼
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Their executive was very upset that I posted their chat transcript here and she claims to have contacted a lawyer. ;D ;D
这帮人是傻逼吧，我们国内都禁止这个手术，他个傻逼再那说告告告的，国外哪个傻逼律师会跑中国来管这种破事情，他们真的有病
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I don't know why somebody here is still backing up that bastard Livelifetaller.
First off seeing from LL diaries about Livelifetaller there their team seems very irresponsible for patient's safety, like Meck, having done 18cm but most importantly his surgeon allowed it?? Thanks to his good luck he ended up well, as well as other crazy diaries like having done 11cm external femurs, 10cm external tibias(I know they are possible but they are really highly not recommended)
Secondly, they seem to be hiring shills onto this forum. I can remember from Feb to March there are persistently LL diaries done in Livelifetaller coming up in LL experience and it seems the frequency was too obviously high, which made me wondering if they are hiring ghost writers.(it was like 3-4 diaries within one month and all about Turkish doctors)
Finally, that guy protecting livelifetaller convinced they were indeed hiring shills and justified my suspect.
Be aware potiential LLers, this team seems not relible at all.
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Lol I called Livelifetaller out on their IG and they instantly blocked me. These rats need to be sued for every penny.
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Hi hasaki. Really fell sorry for you condition brother. It's very pathetic. These people only want money they don't have moral and ethics. Your diary maybe make a people's aware who are planning for CLL with this doctor. Make a wise decision and change your life with better treatment. Good luck.
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These turks are so stupid with the way they mutilate their patients. Imagine if they put the effort in to provide perfect surgery and care for each and every patient like the way other doctors do(like donghoon lee in korea). The same is true for the Hair transplant industry in turkey where they have dosens of different hair transplant companies that provide extremely low quality end result again by the form of a package deal - 1000 usd for 5000 grafts + hotel ;D ;D ;D
I wouldn't put it past Buldu to start offering hair transplants + limb lengthening combo deals like that guy working with Betz
"Extend your legs and grow your hair back!"
But then it turns out its really:
"Become disabled and get a head that looks like its eaten by moths!"
Yea, i totally agree with you! The hair transplant industry in Turkey is a mess! I can imagine that the Dr of LLT will offer a hair transplant during a LL surgery which is performed by one of his minions. ;D
"get a head that looks like its eaten by moths!"
LMFAO!! ;D That was a good one! Some of these patients look like walking toilet brushes!
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The long (typical 4 months) downtime during CLL is a great time to undergo other procedures and emerge taller and better looking/more confident, eg I flew to Mumbai and had a HT, Teeth Caps/Implants, temporal face lift during my 8cm Precice Femur CLL (I didn't tell the surgeon i was taking the ERC out of the country....).
During my first 5 cm CLL i also had a spinal fusion.
During my current 3 cm LL I have also had a thumb fusion, and sinus surgery, next week I am flying to Mumbai for Teeth and possible chin/Brow surgeries? - sucks getting old lol
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The long (typical 4 months) downtime during CLL is a great time to undergo other procedures and emerge taller and better looking/more confident, eg I flew to Mumbai and had a HT, Teeth Caps/Implants, temporal face lift during my 8cm Precice Femur CLL (I didn't tell the surgeon i was taking the ERC out of the country....).
During my first 5 cm CLL i also had a spinal fusion.
During my current 3 cm LL I have also had a thumb fusion, and sinus surgery, next week I am flying to Mumbai for Teeth and possible chin/Brow surgeries? - sucks getting old lol
Is it easy to travel with ERC on a flight? I heard they do not allow it in most cases
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The long (typical 4 months) downtime during CLL is a great time to undergo other procedures and emerge taller and better looking/more confident, eg I flew to Mumbai and had a HT, Teeth Caps/Implants, temporal face lift during my 8cm Precice Femur CLL (I didn't tell the surgeon i was taking the ERC out of the country....).
During my first 5 cm CLL i also had a spinal fusion.
During my current 3 cm LL I have also had a thumb fusion, and sinus surgery, next week I am flying to Mumbai for Teeth and possible chin/Brow surgeries? - sucks getting old lol
Doctors I spoke with recommended against any sort of major dental work while having/recovering from limb lengthening due to possible infection risks.
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Doctors I spoke with recommended against any sort of major dental work while having/recovering from limb lengthening due to possible infection risks.
Does that include braces?
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Does that include braces?
Didn't discuss braces, suggest ask your surgeons if it's an issue.
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hasaki, really sorry for what you went through and the treatment you received - this was an uncomfortable read no doubt. First of all, I hope your corrective procedure goes very well and I know you'll recover fast. Second, would you like to join a roundtable I plan to have on complications patients have sustained during LL and share your experience? I know this is not something you wish to dwell on and want to heal and move on as soon as possible so I understand if the answer is no. But if you are willing, I'm sure many patients who support you would like to hear your story?
Feel free to contact me directly - victor@cyborg4life.com
All the best and heal well my guy!
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:o wth is this! Judging from some other diaries you are not the only one who has been threatened like that. But personally I appreciate your courage and honesty tho, hope you will get well broh but I think you gotta give a shot and just make it to a live session with Cyborg, people have rights to know
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I had no issues (Australia to India)...
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The LiveLifeTaller team, Dr Buldu and Sedat, have just recently made a response video. What do you think?
https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A (https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A)
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The LiveLifeTaller team, Dr Buldu and Sedat, have just recently made a response video. What do you think?
https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A (https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A)
Yeah I just saw that, what me worries is the comment section. Like I wanna actually hear from REAL PATIENTS. But for some reason some FUTURE patients are giving positive feedback like dude you didnt even do any surgery and have no clue what it is about. Some people really should know when they should keep their opinions to themselves about things they have no clue about.
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The long (typical 4 months) downtime during CLL is a great time to undergo other procedures and emerge taller and better looking/more confident, eg I flew to Mumbai and had a HT, Teeth Caps/Implants, temporal face lift during my 8cm Precice Femur CLL (I didn't tell the surgeon i was taking the ERC out of the country....).
During my first 5 cm CLL i also had a spinal fusion.
During my current 3 cm LL I have also had a thumb fusion, and sinus surgery, next week I am flying to Mumbai for Teeth and possible chin/Brow surgeries? - sucks getting old lol
😂
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They just dropped a YouTube video complaining about all the “fake” patients and all other stuff discussed here.
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Complaining only highlights their irresponsibility and indifference once again. As I stated before. They claimed I had no infection until I gave them the report from the medical facility in New York. And in early March when I complained to them about my increased pain and uploaded my x-rays to them, they still claimed that everything was fine with my surgery. After the truth was revealed, they started to threaten and pass the buck, and spread rumors.
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Would an ethical healthcare provider's way of making amends for negligence be to pass the buck and make threats?
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No of course not. That is not professional at all.
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Why don't you go on Cyborg4life's channel and expose them? He offered you to come on there. You should do this
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I don't want to show my face, it's about privacy.
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I don't want to show my face, it's about privacy.
hasaki whats going on with your reparative surgeries, any progress?? did you book any appointments yet?
regarding victor and an interview, multiple people have been interviewed on cyborg4life without showing their faces, as long as your voice works you can do it, since you dont look like you're going to be suing buldu and his band of butchers(which normally any person in your position should do) you must at least write him an email and get on there
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The LiveLifeTaller team, Dr Buldu and Sedat, have just recently made a response video. What do you think?
https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A (https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A)
absolutely pathetic attempt at damage control again from buldu and his band of butchers
and the comments are obviously people in their circle of trust, no point in any of us going there and commenting anything, any person who does limb lengthening without researching the surgery or his surgeon of choice first here on the forum are in for a rude awakening when they are already weeks into the surgery, have surgery related questions and only then find out this forum and come to find the amount of negative information on their surgeon
im sure its blood curdling to find that out after already paid and done the surgery
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Does that include braces?
why would it include braces?? he means gum grafts, implants and oral surgery
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Yeah I just saw that, what me worries is the comment section. Like I wanna actually hear from REAL PATIENTS. But for some reason some FUTURE patients are giving positive feedback like dude you didnt even do any surgery and have no clue what it is about. Some people really should know when they should keep their opinions to themselves about things they have no clue about.
they are truly pathetic, nasty turk butchers
and notice the retarded comments, absolutely hilarious
bet they sent out an instruction in their company whatsapp work group and had everybody from their band of merry butchers write a comment
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😂
whats so funny?? many people can only afford this surgery when they are in their 30s and 40s and at that point why not attempt to do an appearance makeover? you should know better not to judge other users especially on this forum
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whats so funny?? many people can only afford this surgery when they are in their 30s and 40s and at that point why not attempt to do an appearance makeover? you should know better not to judge other users especially on this forum
Exactly!
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Two weeks ago a livelifetaller executive told me she had contacted a lawyer to sue me for releasing their chat logs. But until now there has been no follow-up. Maybe they are used to threatening people. ;D ;D
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告个屁 你在中国 他在土耳其 这个手术在国内有是违法的 根本打不了官司
Two weeks ago a livelifetaller executive told me she had contacted a lawyer to sue me for releasing their chat logs. But until now there has been no follow-up. Maybe they are used to threatening people. ;D ;D
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Two weeks ago a livelifetaller executive told me she had contacted a lawyer to sue me for releasing their chat logs. But until now there has been no follow-up. Maybe they are used to threatening people. ;D ;D
All they can do is bark like a mad dog to scare patients away who became disabled by butcher halil buldu obviously. Don't worry they can not do crap.
If i were you, i would have sue their asses immediately. If its true, it seems many ex patients are suing them now already.
I have peeked to their YouTube video too today. I was too busy with work in the past couple of weeks so now i am catching up.
It seems they can't even talk without a prompter ::) ::) ::)
Sedat, the truth comes out from your tongue unintentionally if you listen closely ;D https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A?t=55 (https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A?t=55) Fake accounts you created again, again and again ;D ;D
Yeah bro you've worked a lot to create all these fake accounts..
I don't know why there is a lot of accounts which writes LLT in their bio's in twitter, some of them follows me.. fake accounts? or are these salesmans? To draw these poor Japanese people to add your disabled patient collection?
Bro i am a behavior analyst but you don't even have to be an analyst to see the lies and guilt in both you and Halil's eyes.
Blaming other doc's to give away commissions? https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A?t=83 (https://youtu.be/kU6YcuyAY1A?t=83) Didn't you accused cyborg with same sh*t bro?? Same words and sentences againn..
Legal Action Card again? Really?? ;D ;D ;D Are you this retarded?
Yeah complications may occur even with Dr. Rozbruch's surgery and I'm sure he takes good care of his patients for that.
But when your patient gets a complication, you ignore it till it irreversibly damage the patient and then threaten him to cover it up.
Everybody knows that now thanks to hasaki.
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This reminds us of the horrible professionalism of Livetallerlife.
Hope all of shills from there gtfo this forum.
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Does anyone know which education Sedat has?
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Does anyone know which education Sedat has?
Probably primary school
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Probably primary school
Insults like that are not really called for or productive
The issue at hand is chronic gross negligence by the entire team of livelifetaller and if buldu liked this sedat guy so much after extending him 20cms to make him his team manager or whatever he is thats really their own business
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I had a consultation with Dr. Kenneth Egol a few days ago and will be starting my left leg repair surgery on August 15 due to the complexity of the procedure. I will be having surgery on my right leg after completing the repair of my left leg, but this means I will have to have at least six surgeries.
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Together with the three surgeries in Turkey (one of which failed), the total number of surgeries is nine, while the average person only needs two. And this is the result of livelifetaller concealing the infection.
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Hi hasaki, why did you choose Dr. Egol instead of Paley or Assayag?
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Because he is the best choice I can find at the moment, HSS is too far from my house.
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Hasaki, good luck with this, and keep us posted on everything that happens
Can you share what course of action did the doctor outline for these 6 surgeries? Is it 3 planned surgeries per leg?
What will each of the surgeries do?
Hi hasaki, why did you choose Dr. Egol instead of Paley or Assayag?
he doesnt need a LL doctor now, he needs an orthopedic surgeon, and he is going through insurance, therefore this doctor is probably the most qualified in his insurance network
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They will be treated with the Masquelet method. Briefly, the first surgery will inject antibiotic bone cement into the area where the bone is missing. After two weeks the cement will be removed and bone grafting will begin. Finally, a plate will be inserted to correct the deformity of the bone. Three surgeries will be performed on each leg.
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The issue at hand is chronic gross negligence by the entire team of livelifetaller and if buldu liked this sedat guy so much after extending him 20cms to make him his team manager or whatever he is thats really their own business
In my opinion, it is irresponsible to let him disseminate infos about risk&complications in a youtube video when he doesn't have a medical degree.
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Sometimes they are not negligent but deliberately hide it, like in March this year when I was in pain and could only lie in bed all day. I went to ask them why and they told me, "Don't worry, everything is fine."
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记得回复我 别老回复老外 你有考虑去北京看医生吗
Sometimes they are not negligent but deliberately hide it, like in March this year when I was in pain and could only lie in bed all day. I went to ask them why and they told me, "Don't worry, everything is fine."
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They will be treated with the Masquelet method. Briefly, the first surgery will inject antibiotic bone cement into the area where the bone is missing. After two weeks the cement will be removed and bone grafting will begin. Finally, a plate will be inserted to correct the deformity of the bone. Three surgeries will be performed on each leg.
So you will stay the same height? Or are they gonna make you revert to your original height?
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Hi, I am really sorry about your situation, and I would like to ask a few questions
1- How was your nerve damage?
2- How it affected you?
3- How is the situation now about it?
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记得回复我 别老回复老外 你有考虑去北京看医生吗
我15号在纽约做手术
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Hi, I am really sorry about your situation, and I would like to ask a few questions
1- How was your nerve damage?
2- How it affected you?
3- How is the situation now about it?
The nerve injury was mainly in the left leg. Numbness and loss of sensation in the outer thigh, and loss of sensation in the foot and thumb consent. And no control of the thumb.
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Have you recovered from that?
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I had an anti-infection surgery on my left leg on August 15, which bled a bit, so my red blood cells were still low even after the blood transfusion.
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Also it can be seen that the cause of the infection is because of hardware contamination, which also confirms nyulangone's statement that the infection occurred during the procedure. Also disgusting is that the infection is obvious. Yet I had 3 surgeries in Turkey and went to 2 different hospitals and not one person told me about my infection, they just told me that everything was fine.
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I had no issues (Australia to India)...
How do you manage to carry your ERC device around? Do you always have someone accompany you?
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sorry to hear about the infection hasaki
hope you get better soon..
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Get well soon, hasaki!! It was absolutely inhuman how they treated you in Turkey!
To all the people planning a LL surgery: NEVER DO THIS SURGERY IN TURKEY!!!!!!
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The hospital called me today and informed me that I still have to have IV antibiotics for 7 weeks. :( :(
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The hospital called me today and informed me that I still have to have IV antibiotics for 7 weeks. :( :(
What's the name of the antibiotic?
And what are the next steps?
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What's the name of the antibiotic?
And what are the next steps?
I will perform bone grafting after the infection is cleared.
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I went to the emergency room today and found out that my wound for this surgery was extended from where the femoral head was to near the knee. This means that I will be faced with aesthetic problems in the future. Despise those livelifetaller salesmen and executives. When their clients send in medical malpractice, what they do is not solve the problem but cover up and threaten. fk!
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hey Hasaki, can you please share your latest x rays post surgery...
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GREAT NEWS HASAKI
we need xrays, photos of legs and incisions and extensive report on your new surgeries
fingers crossed everything goes smoothly!
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Here are the details of my surgery and fluoroscopy.
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This is the equipment that livelifetaller used for my surgery, and it looked in badly rusted to the point of needing to be scrapped. They operated on me with medical equipment that should have been scrapped, which led to the beginning of my nightmare.
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I know many people who have gone to Turkey for this procedure who have had various degrees of complications. So I am curious why people still go to Turkey for this surgery.
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Here are the details of my surgery and fluoroscopy.
great report hasaki, its extremely detailed, i understood everything
can you clarify if they removed the IM nail from the femur? and then put a plate to keep the bone aligned?
did they shorten the original 7 cm non union gap at all or kept it as is but just injected cement in it?
when you get the bandages off please make a photo of the 20 cm scar
I know many people who have gone to Turkey for this procedure who have had various degrees of complications. So I am curious why people still go to Turkey for this surgery.
its because they want to save money, and they want the maximum amount(femur) for minimum money(LON). lon femur is a barbaric and outdated technique thats why there are only a handful of places left in the whole world who do LON femur in 2022 and turkey is the one who does the most marketing
besides turkey you can get LON femur in vietnam, the place i went to does it regularly and the care is superior when compared to this turkish nightmare
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看这个贴子真的看的我血液喷张。
这些穆畜真的每每都刷新我的下限。
还有这些狗b同胞中介竟然还来威胁你。
真的是操蛋
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This is the equipment that livelifetaller used for my surgery, and it looked in badly rusted to the point of needing to be scrapped. They operated on me with medical equipment that should have been scrapped, which led to the beginning of my nightmare.
I hope your nightmare ends soon bro. Our prayers are with you.
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why do people keep going to get lengthening by these guys?
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Same reason people keep going to casinos and playing the lottery: they think they can beat the odds.
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why do people keep going to get lengthening by these guys?
Because they have very good marketing .They makes videos like 20+ in 5 months. 10+ cm in 60 days and potential LLrs get attracted to them.
they don't understand this is not medical ethics . A good doctor will never do femur with external method for cosmetic reasons.
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Because of their effective marketing videos, they have many clients all over the world outside of the United States. While the U.S. has excellent LL doctors and health care systems, if you don't have health insurance in the U.S., the costs of any type of medical services goes up astronomically.
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Hey man, how is your progress so far? Hope you are doing good!
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Because of their effective marketing videos, they have many clients all over the world outside of the United States. While the U.S. has excellent LL doctors and health care systems, if you don't have health insurance in the U.S., the costs of any type of medical services goes up astronomically.
People fall to their trap videos, happy patients etc and all that bull ..
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But they do have a lot of successful cases
I think internal nails should be better if u r going to them
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2mm per day is just insane
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2mm per day is just insane
They see patients as products on an assembly line and therefore focus on efficiency. That's why they start by lengthening the client's bones by 1.5 cm during the surgery
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Dear Hasaki,
Hope you ar doing well and recovering. Have your bones been shortened to pre surgery length? Does that mean your left leg is shorter now? If yes, by how many cm?
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This is a nitemare. My goodness. I hope everything can be fixed and recovery is swift.
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They see patients as products on an assembly line and therefore focus on efficiency. That's why they start by lengthening the client's bones by 1.5 cm during the surgery
You mean they immediately extend the gap after cutting during the surgery to 1.5cm? And then lengthen at 1.5-2mm per day? No surprise why non-union happens in that case.
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You mean they immediately extend the gap after cutting during the surgery to 1.5cm? And then lengthen at 1.5-2mm per day? No surprise why non-union happens in that case.
Yes, in the x-ray livelifetaller gave me after the surgery, they measured the gap at 1.5 cm
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Hi hasaki,
how is your progress? Any updates?
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Hasaki what is your plan for the future? Will you ever do LL again?
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Wish you all the best hasaki. Stay strong. Keep us posted when you can.
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there are a bunch of posts missing from this thread from other posters talking about similar outcomes as hasaki
one poster specifically had written he also was butchered by buldu and was about to post a full thread about it but now everything is GONE
a little bit suspicious ISNT IT eh buddy boyos
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there are a bunch of posts missing from this thread from other posters talking about similar outcomes as hasaki
one poster specifically had written he also was butchered by buldu and was about to post a full thread about it but now everything is GONE
a little bit suspicious ISNT IT eh buddy boyos
yeah. the poster you mentioned said he didn't want to post just in case buldu would fix him up again. i guess buldu fixed him up.
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Long overdue update, I completed my bone graft surgery on my left leg on September 29th. And will be having infection clearance surgery on my right leg soon.
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Long overdue update, I completed my bone graft surgery on my left leg on September 29th. And will be having infection clearance surgery on my right leg soon.
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Did you lose height or stay the same height?
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Did you lose height or stay the same height?
The livelifetaller told me I had a 7 cm lengthening, but the hospital in New York measured the lengthening gap from the x-ray at only 5 cm. A few months after the lengthening ended, I found out from the measurements that I was at least two centimeters shorter.
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Hi Hasaki
I saw the Video from LiveLifetaller.
They said they would provide life time warranty if there is any complication.
The would help to fix the problem without any charges
Did you go back to them to fix the issue?
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Hi Hasaki
I saw the Video from LiveLifetaller.
They said they would provide life time warranty if there is any complication.
The would help to fix the problem without any charges
Did you go back to them to fix the issue?
Bagga, be realistic. If he got an infection under their care, why would he go back to get further treatment again from them? What if he got even worse treatment? Either way, infections should have been caught by the doctor before it progressed into a bone infection. This takes months of negligence.
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Exactly..... These doctors caused him issues that were preventable. Not worth taking a risk going back to them and cause further complications. Hope you recover soon :)
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Hi Hasaki
I saw the Video from LiveLifetaller.
They said they would provide life time warranty if there is any complication.
The would help to fix the problem without any charges
Did you go back to them to fix the issue?
I know several wantbetaller clients who have osteomyelitis and wantbetaller has promised to fix it for free, but they only treat it with oral or intravenous antibiotics and tell them that osteomyelitis does not require surgery. If they don't follow the doctor and ask for surgery, they will have to pay for it. I think it is because Gentamicin is cheap and surgery costs more. If I go back to livelifetaller, I think they will use the same solution. And livelifetaller requires that to fix complications you must stay in their rehab center or charge to fix complications. The cost of the rehab center is at least 1000+ euros per month, think how much a long osteomyelitis treatment costs for accommodation. In addition, because of the severity of my condition, my insurance covered most of the costs, so I was able to have the complications repaired at NYU Langone Health at a low cost. That's the 3rd best overall yiy in us news.
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Do you know the root cause of the infection?
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Do you know the root cause of the infection?
Intraoperative infection, which is why the intramedullary nail needs to be replaced
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Are they using recycled nails?
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Are they using recycled nails?
They use rusted external stents and reused and not thoroughly sterilized intramedullary nails
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that was why you cant see the infection.
I thought it was pin site infection
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HASAKI
whats up with the latest developments
how is the antibiotic cement thing going?
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They use rusted external stents and reused and not thoroughly sterilized intramedullary nails
Wait! They take out the old intramedullary nails from patients in whom the bone has healed and insert the same (non-sterilized) nails into new patients? WTF?!
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Wait! They take out the old intramedullary nails from patients in whom the bone has healed and insert the same (non-sterilized) nails into new patients? WTF?!
I don't think that's possible but I'm not sure. They may reuse the LON frame but idk if the intramedullary nail is reusable.
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Hello again, I had previously posted on this thread about how Halil crippled me also. I asked to have it erased in case he could fix it but I just met with him over the last 2 days(5 minutes meeting max, he's always rushing to cripple another) and he cannot fix my case.
Long story short he released my IT band during the frame removal surgery while I had an infection. As a result the IT band remained accumulated and now it is too long to provide support to my outer thigh so I am crippled. I cannot walk properly or run, my joints hurt, etc
Obviously there's more to this story than this and the amount of incompetence he had towards me(not the only one) is hard to believe so I will be making a long post, there's a lot more to his fk ups. Such as blindly treating everyone for infection for any reason without testing them first to see if they have infection or even testing the infection to see what the proper treatment for it is
Right next to his live life crippled building there's a hotel called Golden hotel where he keeps all the cripples. Most of them suffer from infections but there's tons of different cases such as mine or broken bones in the wrong places, etc, everything you can imagine going wrong goes wrong with that butcher
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Hello again, I had previously posted on this thread about how Halil crippled me also. I asked to have it erased in case he could fix it but I just met with him over the last 2 days(5 minutes meeting max, he's always rushing to cripple another) and he cannot fix my case.
Long story short he released my IT band during the frame removal surgery while I had an infection. As a result the IT band remained accumulated and now it is too long to provide support to my outer thigh so I am crippled. I cannot walk properly or run, my joints hurt, etc
Obviously there's more to this story than this and the amount of incompetence he had towards me(not the only one) is hard to believe so I will be making a long post, there's a lot more to his fk ups. Such as blindly treating everyone for infection for any reason without testing them first to see if they have infection or even testing the infection to see what the proper treatment for it is
Right next to his live life crippled building there's a hotel called Golden hotel where he keeps all the cripples. Most of them suffer from infections but there's tons of different cases such as mine or broken bones in the wrong places, etc, everything you can imagine going wrong goes wrong with that butcher
Ah you're back! You should have kept your original post.
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Yeah I know but I wanted to give them a chance to fix my leg but the doctor refused. Just came back from turkey, I'm gonna be making a post to expose butcher halil soon.
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I've done 4 complication repairs on both legs, but the most recent measurements show that I've shortened my height by 4 cm compared to February last year when I was 174 and now I'm only 170, which is equivalent to only lengthening my height. femur two centimeters。 This has nothing to do with the revision surgery of complications, because my height was only 171 cm in March last year. As for why the height has shortened, I still don’t know the reason, maybe it is related to osteomyelitis.
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I've done 4 complication repairs on both legs, but the most recent measurements show that I've shortened my height by 4 cm compared to February last year when I was 174 and now I'm only 170, which is equivalent to only lengthening my height. femur two centimeters。 This has nothing to do with the revision surgery of complications, because my height was only 171 cm in March last year. As for why the height has shortened, I still don’t know the reason, maybe it is related to osteomyelitis.
To make it clear what was your height before limb lengthening?
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To make it clear what was your height before limb lengthening?
167cm
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i got crippled too, nerve damage aand non union, are u able to walk now?
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i got crippled too, nerve damage aand non union, are u able to walk now?
I can't walk at the moment. And I had the surgery at llt in October 2021.
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pls dm me your email.
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I can't walk at the moment. And I had the surgery at llt in October 2021.
also, do u have sensation on the top and the sole of ur foot?are u able to move all your toes?
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I'm so sorry for what you've been through. I hope you get well.
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also, do u have sensation on the top and the sole of ur foot?are u able to move all your toes?
I couldn't control my left thumb in the first half of last year, now I can. But I still have numbness in the back of my left foot
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Reading this I will never do it country like Turkey, India and other suspicious ones. It's better to save money and do it well with Betz and high cm outcome. Nontheless, we are driven by emotions and I wish you a good recovery in the end.
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I couldn't control my left thumb in the first half of last year, now I can. But I still have numbness in the back of my left foot
Same! I have numbness on the back /sole of my left foot . We’re both crippled 😢
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I hope you will be well as soon as possible.
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I couldn't control my left thumb in the first half of last year, now I can. But I still have numbness in the back of my left foot
By back you mean the sole of your foot?
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I couldn't control my left thumb in the first half of last year, now I can. But I still have numbness in the back of my left foot
any update hasaki?
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I started femoral surgery at livelifetaller last October and had a series of post-operative complications. These include but are not limited to osteomyelitis, osteochondrosis, and nerve damage. Of course, at this point, the most important thing to deal with is still osteomyelitis, which has left me unable to stand and walk independently and with a lot of pain almost a year after the surgery. At the very first interview with them, their doctor told me that their patients were usually able to walk off crutches two weeks after surgery and run within a month. I was convinced, so I had the surgery just a few days after the interview. Just a few hours after the surgery, they ask you to get out of bed and walk, and then they take video behind you. And the steps are repeated over the next few days. You have to do it and they will force you. That's why they have so many videos. I was discharged after 3 days in the hospital, which is usually a week for the rest of the team. After being discharged I noticed thick yellow and red fluid coming out of my wound and had asked them about it. They told me that it was normal drainage and that it meant that everything was fine (since I had no previous experience with infection, I didn't know it was an infection). After that, there was a lot of pus coming out every day and I asked them about it, but they told me to trust them and that they were sure I didn't have an infection. After being in pain for close to a month, their people came over to take x-rays of my femur, but found no success in lengthening it. So a few days later, I underwent a new surgery, which was a continuation of the nightmare. I noticed after the surgery that I had numbness in my left foot and no control of my thumb, which was more intense when I was lying down. As a result, I was unable to sleep most of the time. At first I thought I was losing too much blood and asked them about it. They still told me that everything was normal and that it was normal to experience numbness after surgery. It wasn't until last December when I returned to New York and found the infection had increased that I went to nyu langone for a checkup and they told me that I was diagnosed with osteomyelitis and had nerve damage and bone loss (before that, livelifetall told me that my bones were growing well). And they found that the infection was caused by the built-in metal contamination and recommended that I have immediate surgery and acute shortening of the gap between the bones, which meant that the surgery was a complete failure, so I refused. At a later time I re-inquired about livelifetaller and sent them my ct and x-ray and they told me their doctor had looked at it and still found no problems present. It wasn't until I gave them the nyulangone diagnosis report that they put the blame on me. They said my surgery failed because I took too much pain medication (what does this have to do with osteomyelitis?) However, while I was there they did not allow me to buy any medication and only gave me one or two diclofenac pills a day at my request. After that, their executives contacted me and threatened to hold me legally responsible if I told anyone about the incident. And after I was disabled by them, they still did not take any responsibility and compensate me.
Outcomes like this are discouraging. If you have recent imaging data please put it at this thread. Redact any information that could be used to dox you.
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Any updates?
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I was wondering what happened to you hasaki? Recovered?
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I’m sorry for everything you have gone through. All I can say is I’m grateful that everything has been going well with my surgery and not all Turkish doctors are butchers. Either that or I (along with everyone else I’ve met here) have been very fortunate. Still I hope you can have a good outcome and return to your normal life.
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I’m sorry for everything you have gone through. All I can say is I’m grateful that everything has been going well with my surgery and not all Turkish doctors are butchers. Either that or I (along with everyone else I’ve met here) have been very fortunate. Still I hope you can have a good outcome and return to your normal life.
To be honest, I question the authenticity of these individuals. If I were in their shoes, I'd be relentlessly posting videos on YouTube and contacting news agencies who might even compensate these people. Moreover, I would immediately file a lawsuit against the responsible doctor. However, all these people seem to do is complain on this forum. It just doesn't make sense. If they are crippled, wouldn't they be outraged enough to contact a news agency? If a doctor were responsible for debilitating me for the rest of my life, I would turn that doctor's life upside down if his guilt is as pronounced as claimed. Furthermore, numerous people have also chimed in, claiming they are now crippled too. Though I've only encountered perhaps ten patients in my life, I believe that if the complications were as high as suggested, the authorities wouldn't permit such a procedure in the first place
They often argue that they are concerned about their privacy. However, they should realize that their faces can be blurred, and voices can be altered in such reports. I suspect that these individuals might be employees from rival companies abroad or even domestically or possibly envious of Live Life Taller's financial success. During the lengthening period when I was writing a diary, it was bombarded with nonsensical lies. I even exposed one individual who was using Turkish-to-English translation while claiming to be French. His English was so poor that it was clear he hadn't even reviewed what he wrote. As a Turkish speaker, I immediately realized he was Turkish when he referred to my doctor Yunus as 'Dolphine,' a direct English translation. Ultimately, he admitted he was a Turkish resident living in France. I advise taking people's words on this platform with a hefty dose of skepticism, unless they provide authenticated videos and pictures.
I've also noticed that these individuals seem to target those who write about their experiences in Turkey, never even offering well-wishes or encouragement. Instead, they instantly bombard these accounts with accusations of fabrication, condemnations of the doctors, and dire warnings of future disability. I don't see this sort of commentary for patients who document their experiences with doctors in Germany, the US, Greece, Italy, and so forth. As you are all aware, there have been even two deaths reported in Italy, and yet, I don't see these kinds of comments targeting that specific doctor on this forum. I'm referring to Dr. Guichet - my pronunciation of his name might be incorrect, but I believe you know who I'm talking about I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I do understand human nature. It seems there's a considerable share in the limb lengthening market that some people don't want to share.
Furthermore, these individuals spend an extraordinary amount of time on this forum, almost as if it were their job. Most people tend to limit their forum activity after their procedures are completed, choosing to move on with their lives and only checking in occasionally. For instance, I didn't log into this forum for about four to five months after my lengthening procedure was done.
If you claim to be crippled, create a YouTube channel and post weekly videos. Reach out to media outlets like CNN or BBC - they would most certainly be interested in covering your story without revealing your identity, and you might even receive compensation. File a lawsuit against the responsible doctor, continue posting updates, and start a GoFundMe campaign. However, if you don't take these steps, don't expect people to believe your claim of being crippled. Be decent, and refrain from tarnishing people's names without substantial proof.
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To be honest, I question the authenticity of these individuals. If I were in their shoes, I'd be relentlessly posting videos on YouTube and contacting news agencies who might even compensate these people. Moreover, I would immediately file a lawsuit against the responsible doctor. However, all these people seem to do is complain on this forum. It just doesn't make sense. If they are crippled, wouldn't they be outraged enough to contact a news agency? If a doctor were responsible for debilitating me for the rest of my life, I would turn that doctor's life upside down if his guilt is as pronounced as claimed. Furthermore, numerous people have also chimed in, claiming they are now crippled too. Though I've only encountered perhaps ten patients in my life, I believe that if the complications were as high as suggested, the authorities wouldn't permit such a procedure in the first place
They often argue that they are concerned about their privacy. However, they should realize that their faces can be blurred, and voices can be altered in such reports. I suspect that these individuals might be employees from rival companies abroad or even domestically or possibly envious of Live Life Taller's financial success. During the lengthening period when I was writing a diary, it was bombarded with nonsensical lies. I even exposed one individual who was using Turkish-to-English translation while claiming to be French. His English was so poor that it was clear he hadn't even reviewed what he wrote. As a Turkish speaker, I immediately realized he was Turkish when he referred to my doctor Yunus as 'Dolphine,' a direct English translation. Ultimately, he admitted he was a Turkish resident living in France. I advise taking people's words on this platform with a hefty dose of skepticism, unless they provide authenticated videos and pictures.
I've also noticed that these individuals seem to target those who write about their experiences in Turkey, never even offering well-wishes or encouragement. Instead, they instantly bombard these accounts with accusations of fabrication, condemnations of the doctors, and dire warnings of future disability. I don't see this sort of commentary for patients who document their experiences with doctors in Germany, the US, Greece, Italy, and so forth. As you are all aware, there have been even two deaths reported in Italy, and yet, I don't see these kinds of comments targeting that specific doctor on this forum. I'm referring to Dr. Guichet - my pronunciation of his name might be incorrect, but I believe you know who I'm talking about I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I do understand human nature. It seems there's a considerable share in the limb lengthening market that some people don't want to share.
Furthermore, these individuals spend an extraordinary amount of time on this forum, almost as if it were their job. Most people tend to limit their forum activity after their procedures are completed, choosing to move on with their lives and only checking in occasionally. For instance, I didn't log into this forum for about four to five months after my lengthening procedure was done.
If you claim to be crippled, create a YouTube channel and post weekly videos. Reach out to media outlets like CNN or BBC - they would most certainly be interested in covering your story without revealing your identity, and you might even receive compensation. File a lawsuit against the responsible doctor, continue posting updates, and start a GoFundMe campaign. However, if you don't take these steps, don't expect people to believe your claim of being crippled. Be decent, and refrain from tarnishing people's names without substantial proof.
I don’t agree with your opinion. I can’t respond to everything, but I’ll mention a few points.
You say victims should sue. But remember, many people who undergo LL surgery in Turkey are the foreigners. Suing in another country is hard. It takes time, effort, and money. Most of these patients prioritize their recovery over legal action.
Many people who get LL surgery don’t want others to know. Therefore, many people would probably avoid revealing any personal information, even the slightest, in photos or videos. Moreover, to my knowledge, many of the reported victims of surgery in Turkey are Asians. Maybe they are reluctant to expose their cosmetic surgery failures on a platform like YouTube for cultural reasons.
On the other hand, of course not all LL surgeries fail in Turkey. I understand that the patients who succeeded in Turkey feel uncomfortable with the criticisms of Turkish doctors.
I agree that there are some fabrications mixed in the criticisms of Turkish doctors. I remember there was a post about a Turkish doctor who was an alcoholic, but that was probably a lie. There might also be some posts on this forum that are intended to lower the number of customers for other clinics. However, the medical malpractice by LLT against hasaki in this thread is clearly true.
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I don’t agree with your opinion. I can’t respond to everything, but I’ll mention a few points.
You say victims should sue. But remember, many people who undergo LL surgery in Turkey are the foreigners. Suing in another country is hard. It takes time, effort, and money. Most of these patients prioritize their recovery over legal action.
Many people who get LL surgery don’t want others to know. Therefore, many people would probably avoid revealing any personal information, even the slightest, in photos or videos. Moreover, to my knowledge, many of the reported victims of surgery in Turkey are Asians. Maybe they are reluctant to expose their cosmetic surgery failures on a platform like YouTube for cultural reasons.
On the other hand, of course not all LL surgeries fail in Turkey. I understand that the patients who succeeded in Turkey feel uncomfortable with the criticisms of Turkish doctors.
I agree that there are some fabrications mixed in the criticisms of Turkish doctors. I remember there was a post about a Turkish doctor who was an alcoholic, but that was probably a lie. There might also be some posts on this forum that are intended to lower the number of customers for other clinics. However, the medical malpractice by LLT against hasaki in this thread is clearly true.
I never feel uncomfortable with criticism. I welcome criticism, as it is what has brought us this far. As an engineer, I have no choice but to be comfortable with criticism. Those who cannot accept criticism are often authoritarian figures like Putin, Erdogan, or Kim. What I truly dislike are lies and people's greed. The majority of people here have tainted my diary, claiming it to be fake despite all the authenticated photos I have shared. Therefore, I am almost entirely confident that there is a conflict of interest here. This is also why I left the forum four months ago, and will do the same again soon. I dislike such behaviors because I want humanity to thrive and one day become an Omega-type civilization. I don't want people to stoop so low.
Additionally, they provide absolutely no evidence. It would take no more than 20 minutes to take a video and blur your face. Regarding your Asian claim, during my stay at the WannaBeTaller facility, I encountered only one Asian individual, four Americans, one Canadian, one Iraqi, and four or five Germans. These people seemed quite confident. The people here who have written that I am now crippled, etc., also seem to have high confidence. It's quite easy to call CNN, tell them what happened, and they would immediately send a reporter to your home. You wouldn't even have to leave your house, and no one would see or hear you. It's that simple. You would ruin the doctor's reputation and career for the rest of his life and even might cause his medical license to be revoked.
But If you are a rival from the United States, Germany, Italy, Greece, India, or Turkey, you might employ a strategy of discrediting the competition: 'throw mud and some will stick.'"
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Hasaki showed many photos of his bad result.
Apart from other people’s posts, do you also say that Hasaki’s damage is a lie?
He seems to be Chinese, and he may not be very good at English.
Maybe he is telling his story in Chinese media.
Anyway, people who had bad LL surgery may get hateful messages if they tell everyone what happened to them. So it is normal that they don’t want to talk about the bad doctors outside this forum.
Also, although he is not a Turkish doctor, Betz was sued in Germany and it was reported in the news. As a result, did his hospital stop doing surgery? Maybe the media doesn’t have as much influence as you think.
You said that you met 10 patients during your stay, but that is too small a sample to judge whether the hospital is good or not. Even if there are many failures in Turkey, I guess severe failures such as osteomyelitis or deformity are about 5%.
I don’t think that all Turkish doctors are bad. Your doctor may be fine. But at least LLT is a medical institution that should be avoided.
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can you share the news link on Betz being charged?
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can you share the news link on Betz being charged?
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9733.0
https://www.zeit.de/zustimmung?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2018%2F47%2Fbeinverlaengerung-operation-koerpergroesse-arzt-wunderheiler-gericht
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It is not possible to these Doctos do a butcher work with every single patient and being on TV and social midia living like nothing is going on, so my vision is there are a few of bad cases, perhaps more then american Doctors because these Doctors operate much more patientes and because they use methods more dated.
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I did my hair transplant on turkey and I like of the result, it was very dense and natural.
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It is not possible to these Doctos do a butcher work with every single patient and being on TV and social midia living like nothing is going on, so my vision is there are a few of bad cases, perhaps more then american Doctors because these Doctors operate much more patientes and because they use methods more dated.
At first glance, it seems logical to argue that the number of surgical failures in Turkey increases due to the high volume of surgeries.
Indeed, even for excellent doctors, it is challenging to eliminate the occurrence of complications entirely.
However, the problem with LLT is not just their rate of complications.
They lack the ability to diagnose complications early, fail to provide the right treatment when complications are clear, and continue with their strong marketing.
Additionally, a positive experience with hair transplantation in Turkey is in no way an evidence of the safety of LL surgery. Even if hair transplantation fails, the only harm is that the hair doesn't grow as expected. There's no possibility of bone deformation or chronic osteomyelitis.
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No, you are wrong about it. If hair transplant goes wrong, you can lost part ou all of the donor area, so maybe you have to live bald or unnatural because of depletion of donor area and another hair transplant to fix it won't be possible.
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No, you are wrong about it. If hair transplant goes wrong, you can lost part ou all of the donor area, so maybe you have to live bald or unnatural because of depletion of donor area and another hair transplant to fix it won't be possible.
My point was incomplete.
However, hair transplantation is usually a treatment in the field of plastic surgery, and not orthopedic surgery.
Therefore, even if the hair transplantation technique of Turkish plastic surgeons is high, it does not prove that Turkish doctors are good at LL surgery.
And the important part of my claim is as follows.
However, the problem with LLT is not just their rate of complications.
They lack the ability to diagnose complications early, fail to provide the right treatment when complications are clear, and continue with their strong marketing.
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A group of butchers on national tv from turkey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dxUxHDHGA8 . It can't be possible, I still believing that are some others doctors on the forum trying to destroy their reputation to try to finish the party .
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I won't deny the possibility that there might be posts from competitors in this forum trying to harm the reputation of other LL doctors.
However, it is entirely inappropriate to have this discussion in hasaki's topic.
Hasaki has shared numerous photos and reported on the treatment he received in the US, and his severe damages are real.
If you are to defend LLT in this topic, please provide evidence that hasaki's posts are false.
LLT has claimed on social media that the cause of Hasaki's osteomyelitis was due to his lack of hygiene at the wound site, intake of antidepressants, and having Hepatitis A.
The general public might have unfortunately believed such deceitful and medically incorrect justifications.
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A group of butchers on national tv from turkey, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dxUxHDHGA8 . It can't be possible, I still believing that are some others doctors on the forum trying to destroy their reputation to try to finish the party .
Yeah maybe I just imagined that Halil butchered my ankles requiring 2 revision surgeries in Los Angeles and nearly a year without walking. Perhaps it was all a fever dream.
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You’re disgusting defending him here. He’s hurt so many people with zero repercussions or accountability.
Smell like a Turk.
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Brutal
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I'm wondering how many people got osteomyelitis and crippled from Dr Halil's hands..
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I'm wondering how many people got osteomyelitis and crippled from Dr Halil's hands..
The guy literally belongs in prison. It’s beyond simple malpractice. Live Life Taller is a criminal enterprise.
He pushes hundreds of patients through that meat grinder of a “clinic” every few months, resulting in countless compilations, some life threatening and life destroying that the victims will never recover from. Pushes everyone to pay in cryptocurrency to dodge Turkish taxes.
He’s a criminal. Full stop.
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The guy literally belongs in prison. It’s beyond simple malpractice. Live Life Taller is a criminal enterprise.
He pushes hundreds of patients through that meat grinder of a “clinic” every few months, resulting in countless compilations, some life threatening and life destroying that the victims will never recover from. Pushes everyone to pay in cryptocurrency to dodge Turkish taxes.
He’s a criminal. Full stop.
I paid them and they dont ask to me to pay in cripto, they only give the options. Cash, USDT and transfer wire in euro.
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I will get criplle by live life taller in the next months.
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In 2022 they specifically asked to be paid using a stablecoin called Tether. Maybe the Turkish government caught up with them.
You very well might get “criplle” by them next month. Hopeless illiterate subhuman mongrel
Best of luck ✌️
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They indeed just want cash or crypto. They don't even have a proper company bank account. I refused to get the surgery after consultation there, too sketchy and not professional at all. Already had 2 consultations with Betz in germany btw. Cancelled surgery twice. Was worried of the clicking pain and LLT seemed a good option with precice in a rehabilitation center and had a good contact with Sedat (i was a bit naiv btw but just wanted to believe it).
They are so unprofessional it's crazy, it's like you are going to do a gym subscription it's crazy. Wanted a premium room but not available, so i asked if I could check the normal room and they were not very happy to show me around. But very basic with horrible sound of the huge road next to it, not very pleasant to stay there 3 months in pain.
They also keep filming you all the time then you have to make a little video for them (that i expected it)
At the end of consulation they also ask you to pay in cash. I said i want to pay via bank transfer and it was not possible, plus surgery was scheduled for the day after.
I said i want to cancel and had to pay 800 eur for consultation and blood tests. Didn't have cash so asked for bank transfer again and they gave me one of the chauffeur bank account (rememered his name) ...
I also met a guy there the day before the surgery, he was nice but you could see he was a bit uneducated and naiv.. I think this is how they get that many patients
And yeah i could understand this feeling how they ghost you once you are not going their way, so i cannot imagine this feeling when you are in pain with complications
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wow those picture looks really insane. if you have seen that would you have ask all the questions about your leg. its just not right.
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They indeed just want cash or crypto. They don't even have a proper company bank account. I refused to get the surgery after consultation there, too sketchy and not professional at all. Already had 2 consultations with Betz in germany btw. Cancelled surgery twice. Was worried of the clicking pain and LLT seemed a good option with precice in a rehabilitation center and had a good contact with Sedat (i was a bit naiv btw but just wanted to believe it).
They are so unprofessional it's crazy, it's like you are going to do a gym subscription it's crazy. Wanted a premium room but not available, so i asked if I could check the normal room and they were not very happy to show me around. But very basic with horrible sound of the huge road next to it, not very pleasant to stay there 3 months in pain.
They also keep filming you all the time then you have to make a little video for them (that i expected it)
At the end of consulation they also ask you to pay in cash. I said i want to pay via bank transfer and it was not possible, plus surgery was scheduled for the day after.
I said i want to cancel and had to pay 800 eur for consultation and blood tests. Didn't have cash so asked for bank transfer again and they gave me one of the chauffeur bank account (rememered his name) ...
I also met a guy there the day before the surgery, he was nice but you could see he was a bit uneducated and naiv.. I think this is how they get that many patients
And yeah i could understand this feeling how they ghost you once you are not going their way, so i cannot imagine this feeling when you are in pain with complications
Unfortunately, Not the first time I have heard this.
Thank you for sharing.
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No problem. And btw, I saw the Instagram page of a guy who had to fly back to Turkey from the US because one of his precice nail stoped working. Now I keep asking myself if they might reuse nails from previous patients.. that’s a real concern and it wouldn’t surprise me
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They indeed just want cash or crypto. They don't even have a proper company bank account. I refused to get the surgery after consultation there, too sketchy and not professional at all. Already had 2 consultations with Betz in germany btw. Cancelled surgery twice. Was worried of the clicking pain and LLT seemed a good option with precice in a rehabilitation center and had a good contact with Sedat (i was a bit naiv btw but just wanted to believe it).
They are so unprofessional it's crazy, it's like you are going to do a gym subscription it's crazy. Wanted a premium room but not available, so i asked if I could check the normal room and they were not very happy to show me around. But very basic with horrible sound of the huge road next to it, not very pleasant to stay there 3 months in pain.
They also keep filming you all the time then you have to make a little video for them (that i expected it)
At the end of consulation they also ask you to pay in cash. I said i want to pay via bank transfer and it was not possible, plus surgery was scheduled for the day after.
I said i want to cancel and had to pay 800 eur for consultation and blood tests. Didn't have cash so asked for bank transfer again and they gave me one of the chauffeur bank account (rememered his name) ...
I also met a guy there the day before the surgery, he was nice but you could see he was a bit uneducated and naiv.. I think this is how they get that many patients
And yeah i could understand this feeling how they ghost you once you are not going their way, so i cannot imagine this feeling when you are in pain with complications
Are you going to Betz?
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Betz has retired i think, now it’s Dr Becker in Freiburg. Closer from my place by car it is the most convenient choice for a weight bearing nail. Also contacted Dr Kohne, you can do one leg at a time with precice but need to go see him every 2 weeks.. I live 8hrs away by car so not possible. I lost so much time and energy thinking of doing this surgery but at least I learned a lot thanks to this forum and experiences I did
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Dr Halil also demage my legs 3 years now , my left leg is ballerina foot and pain i canot wallk normal , i went to him 1 year after he try fix but not succes , , he not even visit me when i lenthening just came to take money and gone , anyone pls do not go to Istanbul for LL will be crippled 99% . Dr Halil only care about money , and if anyone sue him let me know i will to
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It's been a long time since I've updated, I thought this forum was shut down earlier. I can currently do basic walking, but still can't run due to stiffness in my right leg. And the right leg still slopes the foot when walking. I've been to some orthopedic surgeons and they all say that skeletally my leg is fine. Then consulted a physiotherapist who said that it should be the inner thigh muscles that are weak to account for the pain and stiffness in my right leg.
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By the way, is ITB release surgery necessary? I feel like my ITB is too tight in my right leg and my physical therapist said the same thing.