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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: BeyondAverage on September 11, 2022, 10:13:23 AM
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Hello everyone,
I have height dysmorphia and am considering limb lengthening.
I’m roughly 180-181cm tall but when I was younger everyone thought I would grow a lot taller.
I was always the tallest in school and doctors thought I could reach 6’4 but I stopped at 5’11
I’m considering doing 11cm. 6cm on femurs and 5cm on tibias to reach 191cm or 6’3
I believe this is healthy for each segment and shouldn’t cause complications.
Who’s the tallest person to have gotten limb lengthening?
Should I go through with this?
I truly believe it will cure my dysmorphia as I always thought I would grow to be tall.
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Just do 6cm femur with reliable doctor. 186-187cm will be totally enough to anyone.
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6’1 will be a nice height but I feel like it won’t be noticed as being “tall” the same way 6’3 will be.
But I want to do femurs first and heal before I do tibias.
I’ve seen too many scary stories of delayed healing for people who did cross-lengthening or boat segments simultaneously.
So I can see how I feel at 6’1 and then decide.
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where do you live? unless you live in denmark or netherlands, you won't get 11cm LL, let's me honest.
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I think some patients from Dr. Betz (Germany) did 11 cm.
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Bro, youre 5.11, forget about ll and live your life. Period
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In my opinion Betz is not reliable doctor. In Europe Köhne (Germany) and Giotikas (Greece) are way more better options.
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why people around this height would be willing to go through this surgery is beyond me. Complete waste of time, money, and energy. Nowhere in the world you will feel short at 5'11".
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why people around this height would be willing to go through this surgery is beyond me. Complete waste of time, money, and energy. Nowhere in the world you will feel short at 5'11".
Im 178cm and i dont feel short. But i feel average. And in fact, Im average but still I almost hate it. I simply want to be tall. Its maybe my biggest dream. Probably most men at my height are just fine with their height. But im not. I think it everyday. Many men are shorter than me and height is not problem for them at all. Why? I dont know.
I been trying find cure. And the cure for me is simply do ll surgery.
So please lets not judge each other. If someone want to be longer, bigger or even different sxx, it's not off from anyone.
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Im 178cm and i dont feel short. But i feel average. And in fact, Im average but still I almost hate it. I simply want to be tall. Its maybe my biggest dream. Probably most men at my height are just fine with their height. But im not. I think it everyday. Many men are shorter than me and height is not problem for them at all. Why? I dont know.
I been trying find cure. And the cure for me is simply do ll surgery.
So please lets not judge each other. If someone want to be longer, bigger or even different sxx, it's not off from anyone.
Seeing people ask strangers for advice regarding such tremendous life decisions, the mind is not at the right place.
The real question should not be "should I do it", but rather "what can I expect", "what do you think about my proportions" and such.
It does not come across very manly or decisive. Your mindset is average, that is why you are average. It's not your height.
Your character development has more upside potential than your body.
Maybe you lack physical appearance, I don't know. But someone with a well trained body would not ask childish questions such as "Who’s the tallest person to have gotten limb lengthening?" and not even knowing if you should do it.
Do you need compliments to overcompensate for your frail ego after LL?
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Seeing people ask strangers for advice regarding such tremendous life decisions, the mind is not at the right place.
The real question should not be "should I do it", but rather "what can I expect", "what do you think about my proportions" and such.
It does not come across very manly or decisive. Your mindset is average, that is why you are average. It's not your height.
Your character development has more upside potential than your body.
Maybe you lack physical appearance, I don't know. But someone with a well trained body would not ask childish questions such as "Who’s the tallest person to have gotten limb lengthening?" and not even knowing if you should do it.
Do you need compliments to overcompensate for your frail ego after LL?
Damn this is the post of someone who needs to take a break from the forum and touch grass. “Should I do it” is a totally valid question especially for people who are new to the forum. The guy has 2 prior posts and probably doesn’t know where to start which is the whole purpose of the forum. For a lot of people they don’t have anyone but strangers to talk to about this given the nature of the surgery.
“ it does not come across as manly or decisive”. The vast majority of humans alive would say a man who wants to do this surgery isn’t manly. Decisive? Being overly decisive on such a massive undertaking should wait until you have learned extensively about the surgery, OP is obviously in the beginning stages of learning and being decisive would be idiotic.
His mindset is average? Are you role playing as Sherlock Holmes? There isn’t nearly enough info here for you to say that. There are tons of factors including mindset that go into being below, above, or simply at average.
A well trained body = not asking the tallest person to get the surgery? This just sounds schizophrenic. The logic doesn’t follow at all. It’s also not a childish question, it’s just an interesting one.
Why do you assume he wants compliments or that he has a frail ego? Everyone has something they want to change and height dysphoria can be crippling. Just because he’s at a height that most people on here would love to have, there are many reasons one can develop dysphoria. Me, as an example, am average height but had abusive parents and a much taller sociopathic older brother all who always demeaned me for my height while praising my older brother. I was also way below average height until senior of high school so this feeling inadequate based on height is deeply ingrained.
I’d bet my life that you are just bitter that this guy wants to reach a height you will never be and maybe already is at that. Your entire post is just projecting, you are the one who lacks masculinity, who has a frail ego, and who is mentally underdeveloped.
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Hey beyondaverage, unfortunately for people your height it will be very hard to get good advice on this forum. There are a lot of cool people but also a lot of bitter angry ones who will be jealous of you. Feel free to message me if you want.
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where do you live? unless you live in denmark or netherlands, you won't get 11cm LL, let's me honest.
I thought 11cm was possible with LL as long as you lengthen both femurs and tibias and not just 1 segment?
Is this considered ill-advised? Does it lead to greater risks?
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In my opinion Betz is not reliable doctor. In Europe Köhne (Germany) and Giotikas (Greece) are way more better options.
Thank you for the information Hatch. I only just learnt about LL a week ago.
Who are you considering for your surgery? Or have you already completed?
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Im 178cm and i dont feel short. But i feel average. And in fact, Im average but still I almost hate it. I simply want to be tall. Its maybe my biggest dream. Probably most men at my height are just fine with their height. But im not. I think it everyday. Many men are shorter than me and height is not problem for them at all. Why? I dont know.
I been trying find cure. And the cure for me is simply do ll surgery.
So please lets not judge each other. If someone want to be longer, bigger or even different sxx, it's not off from anyone.
For me between about 10 years old and 16 my identity was tall. All my photos at these ages I’m the tallest of all my friends.
Then I stopped growing and some reached my height and 1 or 2 overtook me. Now I’m around the height of all my close friends and jealous of those that overtook me by a couple of inches.
I want to be known as the tall guy again.
I hope you achieve your dream king.
What phase are you at for your plans to do this surgery?
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Seeing people ask strangers for advice regarding such tremendous life decisions, the mind is not at the right place.
The real question should not be "should I do it", but rather "what can I expect", "what do you think about my proportions" and such.
It does not come across very manly or decisive. Your mindset is average, that is why you are average. It's not your height.
Your character development has more upside potential than your body.
Maybe you lack physical appearance, I don't know. But someone with a well trained body would not ask childish questions such as "Who’s the tallest person to have gotten limb lengthening?" and not even knowing if you should do it.
Do you need compliments to overcompensate for your frail ego after LL?
Why is it wrong to ask people for advice?
Everyone here is the expert and I know nothing.
There are people on this forum who have researched everything or even undertaken the surgery.
If they grant me some time, I’d love to learn from them and make the most informed decision possible.
I feel that asking if someone else around my height has completed the surgery is a valid question? They would be a good person to talk to if they’re available.
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Hey beyondaverage, unfortunately for people your height it will be very hard to get good advice on this forum. There are a lot of cool people but also a lot of bitter angry ones who will be jealous of you. Feel free to message me if you want.
Thank you Sambolio
https://youtu.be/AomPemsgjmg (https://youtu.be/AomPemsgjmg)
I only came across this Vice Asia documentary on Limb Lengthening a week ago and was completed stunned that this is possible.
I believed my height was set in stone and that’s it.
And this forum is even newer to me.
I’d love to message you as I learn more and could use an opinion.
Sorry to hear about your parents and brother, and I hope you successfully complete this surgery and heal from the trauma.
I didn’t come across abuse, but the way I was treated when I was the tallest to just being average now, the difference is night and day.
When I was tall I was naturally the leader of everything, everyone always complimented me, and people were just naturally nicer.
I wasn’t treated badly when everyone caught up or got close to it, and I just blended into the crowd, but I do miss being the tall one.
I want to improve everything about myself I can. I have a great job now and a mortgage on a nice home. I’m not buff but I’m fit and jog 20km’s a day.
I see height as the thing that I can improve that will give me the most benefit at this point in my life.
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The "bitter short guys who are jealous of your height" and went forward with the surgery are actually the only normal people here. Of course, listen to guys who are average height or even above and struggle with women.. They sure know what's best.
You are 180cm. You are not short, realistically speaking, and knowing if this surgery is worth for you is something only you can answer. But don't listen to the average height lunatics around here who usually 95% of the time don't ever go forward and do the surgery and just stick around endlessly fantasizing about how 1-2 inches will magically turn them from basement dwellers into chick magnets.
Only average height or above people I know are a few and there is someone called optimus on cyborg4life channel that did an interview recently. But also in his case, he was a 175cm man with a weight of 245 pounds (which is atleast 110kg I think). Instead of just dieting and stop being extremely fat he went on the broke his legs
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I want to be known as the tall guy again.
What phase are you at for your plans to do this surgery?
There is nothing wrong about want to be tall. But please remember that this surgery has risks. One Giotikas patient died about year ago. So 2 surgeries means 2 x more risks.
Please read patients experiences so you get realistic picture of this process.
Im planning to do surgery at next year. Max 5cm femur is fine for me.
At least Giotikas has already operated patients near 180cm so nothing special about that. But probably you would be one his tallest patients.
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I know being seen as the “tall guy” might have made you get treated better in some ways but I don’t think going to around average height made your life as bad as you think. I think attributing your height to everything is not good, but I don’t know everything about your life and the mindset you have. You seem like you have other parts of your life in order which is good and that’s a great starting point. Ultimately the decision is yours to go through with a surgery like this but I personally don’t think it will make a big Difference.
Just some anecdotal experience from me: I have some friends who range from 5’10” -6’2/6’3” and the difference is not that big to me or others. There is also a co worker I have who is not even 6 feet, he’s 5’10” or 5’11” at most and my other coworkers referred to him as the “tall guy”. Keep in mind this is in Canada though.
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The "bitter short guys who are jealous of your height" and went forward with the surgery are actually the only normal people here. Of course, listen to guys who are average height or even above and struggle with women.. They sure know what's best.
You are 180cm. You are not short, realistically speaking, and knowing if this surgery is worth for you is something only you can answer. But don't listen to the average height lunatics around here who usually 95% of the time don't ever go forward and do the surgery and just stick around endlessly fantasizing about how 1-2 inches will magically turn them from basement dwellers into chick magnets.
Only average height or above people I know are a few and there is someone called optimus on cyborg4life channel that did an interview recently. But also in his case, he was a 175cm man with a weight of 245 pounds (which is atleast 110kg I think). Instead of just dieting and stop being extremely fat he went on the broke his legs
Hi informationispower,
I’m not negative to anyone. Everyone on this forum knows more than me at this point and I’d love to hear all opinions and advice.
We’re all here with the same goal of getting taller and a part of the same community.
Thank you for telling me about the Cyborg4Life channel, I will be going through his videos.
Are there any other channels or sites or podcasts I should watch, read or listen to?
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I know being seen as the “tall guy” might have made you get treated better in some ways but I don’t think going to around average height made your life as bad as you think. I think attributing your height to everything is not good, but I don’t know everything about your life and the mindset you have. You seem like you have other parts of your life in order which is good and that’s a great starting point. Ultimately the decision is yours to go through with a surgery like this but I personally don’t think it will make a big Difference.
Just some anecdotal experience from me: I have some friends who range from 5’10” -6’2/6’3” and the difference is not that big to me or others. There is also a co worker I have who is not even 6 feet, he’s 5’10” or 5’11” at most and my other coworkers referred to him as the “tall guy”. Keep in mind this is in Canada though.
This surgery is definitely drastic. With the risks, and investment of time and money required, I don’t see it ever becoming mainstream. Orthopaedics is definitely not like plastic surgery, even though this is a cosmetic procedure for us, where you can walk out with the results, pun intended on “walking out”.
I am trying to weigh if personally the rewards are worth the year commit given I want to do two segments if I go through with this. I just don’t see what else to improve at this point, and I want to love the best life I possibly can.bAnd I’m not afraid of doing drastic things.
I’m Australian and the average height here is around 178cm. I think we are the same?
It’s an interesting anecdote thank you. The only times I’m called tall is if I’m with my female colleagues and they say “you’re tall can you grab this for me”. Definitely not around guys.
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My advice:
* If you're moderately competitive at sports, I recommend against this surgery. A fit 5'9" and above guy is way more attractive than a 6' skinny fragile dude. Let alone you're 5'11.
* If your height dysphoria is real AND you live in those well known tallest EU countries, I recommend <= 5cm femurs and <= 4cm tibias. From your original height you should not need more than this gain limit. This was what I did and at my much shorter height, I feel comfortable now after LL (nails still in my legs). So at your height proportionally it should feel like a minor impact to your body/stamina/etc - you get the point.
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My advice:
* If you're moderately competitive at sports, I recommend against this surgery. A fit 5'9" and above guy is way more attractive than a 6' skinny fragile dude. Let alone you're 5'11.
* If your height dysphoria is real AND you live in those well known tallest EU countries, I recommend <= 5cm femurs and <= 4cm tibias. From your original height you should not need more than this gain limit. This was what I did and at my much shorter height, I feel comfortable now after LL (nails still in my legs). So at your height proportionally it should feel like a minor impact to your body/stamina/etc - you get the point.
I play volleyball competitively twice a week and basketball regularly with friends.
Is a full recovery possible if I don’t go past 15% per segment?
Sport is a huge part of my life and I also meet up with my girlfriend most mornings for jogging. I want to be able to keep doing this post surgery.
I do feel like my height betrayed me when doctors and everyone told me I’d be taller than I reached. I genuinely feel like the body I’m in isn’t the height of the body I should be in.
I live in Australia. The average height here is around 178cm
If I do your Lower recommendations per segment will the recovery be 100%?
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Ultimately, just want to share my personal sentiment: I'm barely 5'8 now AFTER LL and I feel TALL everyday going out, to restaurants, groceries, parks, etc. Guys, You have so so many aspects that make up you: a good height, make yourself good looking, stay fit, hit the gym, grow clean hair, trim a good bear, be modest, talk slowly and grammatically correct like a gentleman, etc. Zillions of things, height is just one.
Don't blame on your height for everything. Do best at your other aspects before addressing your height dysphoria and considering LL. Like many experienced LLers on this forum already pointed out, it's a very drastic experience not for the faint of heart or the shallow of mind. Personally, my subconscious took me to LL research around 2018. I finally did it in 2022. It's a 4y self assessment.
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I play volleyball competitively twice a week and basketball regularly with friends.
Is a full recovery possible if I don’t go past 15% per segment?
... meet up with my girlfriend most mornings for jogging. I want to be able to keep doing this post surgery.
If I do your Lower recommendations per segment will the recovery be 100%?
Basketball is definitely a concern. Your knee strength will decline certain degrees no matter how much you lengthen.. I think, at least beyond 3cm any segment -as a personal gauge. The side to side movement in basketball is extreme on the knees. If I were you I'd consider skipping this surgery.
Jogging is fine for the lower limit I recommend. You should do fine on this aspect post LL.
From my personal experience of what I feel now + countless of prior LLers' diaries I have digested, NO ONE ever recovered 100% after LL. You have to accept the reality of some declines in your body fitness.
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Ultimately, just want to share my personal sentiment: I'm barely 5'8 now AFTER LL and I feel TALL everyday going out, to restaurants, groceries, parks, etc. Guys, You have so so many aspects that make up you: a good height, make yourself good looking, stay fit, hit the gym, grow clean hair, trim a good bear, be modest, talk slowly and grammatically correct like a gentleman, etc. Zillions of things, height is just one.
Don't blame on your height for everything. Do best at your other aspects before addressing your height dysphoria and considering LL. Like many experienced LLers on this forum already pointed out, it's a very drastic experience not for the faint of heart or the shallow of mind. Personally, my subconscious took me to LL research around 2018. I finally did it in 2022. It's a 4y self assessment.
May I ask which country you’re living in? Feel free to reject if it’s personal information you don’t wish to share.
Congratulations on your successful surgery. Is your mobility and athleticism the same as pre LL?
I agree there’s a lot we can improve upon. I have a career, home, girlfriend, happy social life. I don’t know what else to work on besides LL to make my circumstances better. But if I can walk out in public tall instead of average I think that will be a nice improvement.
But there is a big risk I’m worried about. I haven’t told my girlfriend about these plans yet. I don’t know if her opinion of me will change. I don’t want to ruin a part of my life to improve another.
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Ultimately, just want to share my personal sentiment: I'm barely 5'8 now AFTER LL and I feel TALL everyday going out, to restaurants, groceries, parks, etc. Guys, You have so so many aspects that make up you: a good height, make yourself good looking, stay fit, hit the gym, grow clean hair, trim a good bear, be modest, talk slowly and grammatically correct like a gentleman, etc. Zillions of things, height is just one.
Don't blame on your height for everything. Do best at your other aspects before addressing your height dysphoria and considering LL. Like many experienced LLers on this forum already pointed out, it's a very drastic experience not for the faint of heart or the shallow of mind. Personally, my subconscious took me to LL research around 2018. I finally did it in 2022. It's a 4y self assessment.
You did mention that where you are from, 5'8 is considered tall though. Or are you kiving in the west?
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You did mention that where you are from, 5'8 is considered tall though. Or are you kiving in the west?
Haha nice catch. I live in the US permanently now. So yes, I do personally feel tall - for me - in the US. No one here would say I'm tall for sure. But what's more important is that I'm fulfilled with myself. This is the true goal that I think any LLers should aim to reach if you undergo this very brutal process.
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Haha nice catch. I live in the US permanently now. So yes, I do personally feel tall - for me - in the US.
It's a small but important detail afterall ;)
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Basketball is definitely a concern. Your knee strength will decline certain degrees no matter how much you lengthen.. I think, at least beyond 3cm any segment -as a personal gauge. The side to side movement in basketball is extreme on the knees. If I were you I'd consider skipping this surgery.
From your experience, was lengthening significantly more painful or difficult after the first 3cm’s?
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Haha nice catch. I live in the US permanently now. So yes, I do personally feel tall - for me - in the US. No one here would say I'm tall for sure. But what's more important is that I'm fulfilled with myself. This is the true goal that I think any LLers should aim to reach if you undergo this very brutal process.
I consider you tall now too. I have Asian male friends and I believe they’re around 5’6 or 5’7.
You’re taller than all of them now.
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From your experience, was lengthening significantly more painful or difficult after the first 3cm’s?
Post 3cm: more painful - no; difficult - there're different aspects of difficulty.
For me, it's more painful during 2w period following a surgery. After that, I don't have this extreme discomfort during lengthening. What I felt instead was a long-dragging exhaustion on the legs. If I'd try to explain it to you.. it's like if you had to do intensive jogging/running 30min every 2-3h for the whole day. I guess that's how it would feel like? The tiredness is caused by your muscles constantly elongated every day. So you have to keep up with stretching. Stretching exercises during LL also make you tired. Lack of normal sleep hours at night is non-negotiable. Cognitive tasks is a big NO, at least for the first 1 to 1.5 month after surgery. After that you can manage, but I don't recommend.
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I consider you tall now too. I have Asian male friends and I believe they’re around 5’6 or 5’7.
You’re taller than all of them now.
Thanks.. but man, not really. My point is, we're only happy with our height truly when we stop comparing it to others'. I go out these days, in the US, and in any circumstances, there're always a handful number of guys taller than me, sometimes even girls. But I'm more comfortable walking/standing close to them. Why? Because now I feel my height is closer to the standard of "tall" or "not short", even in the US.
LL is a surgery to eliminate the psychology disorder of height depression. It's not a height booster. Anyone of us here wether doing LL or not, you're still gonna be shorter than someone else. Greed will always leave us in unhappy state of mind. Stop comparing gives us the true happiness.
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Hi OP I would say yes go for it but have a few questions to better help answer.
How old are you? How much money and time have you put aside to do this? Are you fine with your family/friends possibly finding out you've done limb lengthening? Where are you planning on doing the surgery?
Saying how tall you'd like to be is the easy part once the planning comes into it many bail as they realise how intense both physically/timewise and costly this surgery is.
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Hi OP I would say yes go for it but have a few questions to better help answer.
How old are you? How much money and time have you put aside to do this? Are you fine with your family/friends possibly finding out you've done limb lengthening? Where are you planning on doing the surgery?
Saying how tall you'd like to be is the easy part once the planning comes into it many bail as they realise how intense both physically/timewise and costly this surgery is.
I’m in my late 20’s. I have converted into American around 30,000 US in savings.
I can do my job remotely if it’s possible after surgery.
I am worried about my girlfriend finding out. She might not understand the personal reasons I’d do this for. We also already have a large height gap, 150cm to 180cm. I’m okay with being taller but I don’t know how she feels about it.
Possibly Vietnam or India? Close to Australia and affordable. But I don’t know if the surgeons are okay?
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I’m in my late 20’s. I have converted into American around 30,000 US in savings.
I can do my job remotely if it’s possible after surgery.
I am worried about my girlfriend finding out. She might not understand the personal reasons I’d do this for. We also already have a large height gap, 150cm to 180cm. I’m okay with being taller but I don’t know how she feels about it.
Possibly Vietnam? Close it Australia and affordable.
I think you will have to find some way to ease your way into bringing this up with your girlfriend, but the height difference between you and her is already big so theres a chance she may not notice after lengthening lol. I think it would still be a better idea to talk to her about it.
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I think you will have to find some way to ease your way into bringing this up with your girlfriend, but the height difference between you and her is already big so theres a chance she may not notice after lengthening lol. I think it would still be a better idea to talk to her about it.
I think she is going to be like… Do what you want.
Until she realises how long I’d be gone for. Then she will most likely dump me for choosing to be taller over being with her.
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I’m in my late 20’s. I have converted into American around 30,000 US in savings.
I can do my job remotely if it’s possible after surgery.
I am worried about my girlfriend finding out. She might not understand the personal reasons I’d do this for. We also already have a large height gap, 150cm to 180cm. I’m okay with being taller but I don’t know how she feels about it.
Possibly Vietnam or India? Close to Australia and affordable. But I don’t know if the surgeons are okay?
Only femurs you can afford are external lon which most surgeons don't recommend. I think you should do tibias first and then see how you feel. Are you planning to stay in Vietnam for several months while lengthening or return to Australia and complete lengthening there?
The other issue I think you will face compare to guys 170cm and shorter is motivation when lengthening/recovery gets difficult. Shorter guys are facing actual discrimination whereas yours is not being noted as tall like you used to be. This part is subjective but something you need to consider.
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Only femurs you can afford are external lon which most surgeons don't recommend. I think you should do tibias first and then see how you feel. Are you planning to stay in Vietnam for several months while lengthening or return to Australia and complete lengthening there?
The other issue I think you will face compare to guys 170cm and shorter is motivation when lengthening/recovery gets difficult. Shorter guys are facing actual discrimination whereas yours is not being noted as tall like you used to be. This part is subjective but something you need to consider.
Why is external lengthening over tibias commonplace but external over femurs is not recommended?
Isn’t the femur the better bone to lengthen because it’s longer and stronger?
Sorry, I’m new to LL.
Good idea to do one segment first, I agree. Is $30000 enough for Vietnam or India?
I do concede that I want to do this mostly out of the extra recognition I got before when I was the tallest. I think I will need to fight harder than those doing it to be treated equally.
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Thanks.. but man, not really. My point is, we're only happy with our height truly when we stop comparing it to others'. I go out these days, in the US, and in any circumstances, there're always a handful number of guys taller than me, sometimes even girls. But I'm more comfortable walking/standing close to them. Why? Because now I feel my height is closer to the standard of "tall" or "not short", even in the US.
LL is a surgery to eliminate the psychology disorder of height depression. It's not a height booster. Anyone of us here wether doing LL or not, you're still gonna be shorter than someone else. Greed will always leave us in unhappy state of mind. Stop comparing gives us the true happiness.
But it’s also a very big height booster,no?
It’s resolve the psychology disorder ,yes, it’s also a biiig height booster,no?
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But it’s also a very big height booster,no?
It’s resolve the psychology disorder ,yes, it’s also a biiig height booster,no?
[sigh].. sure, your take
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Why is external lengthening over tibias commonplace but external over femurs is not recommended?
Isn’t the femur the better bone to lengthen because it’s longer and stronger?
Sorry, I’m new to LL.
Good idea to do one segment first, I agree. Is $30000 enough for Vietnam or India?
I do concede that I want to do this mostly out of the extra recognition I got before when I was the tallest. I think I will need to fight harder than those doing it to be treated equally.
When did you find out about LL surgery?
Since you haven't researched the basics such as the various methods of LL let alone costings I think you need to take a step back and do a lot of reading before any further discussion on you getting it done so you have an actual idea of what your getting into.
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Agreed. @OP, I suggest you go through existing diaries to digest and compare. Before surgery, I spent weeks of research from this forum, collected appeared-to-be-legit patients' diaries, then drew metrics from there. There're scores of metrics: their age, muscles flexibility, LL methods, $$ spent, what doctors, time spent for lengthening, time spent for consolidation, time spent until walking w/ crutches, time spent until 1st step of walking unaided, time spent until acceptable/unnoticeable gait, overall mentality impact rating along the whole journey, etc. When you have all in front of you, you'll have much clearer ideas of what you want, each with pros/cons.
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You're lower end of average. For this forum you are tall, but in the real world, amongst the wealthy, educated, Caucasian population you are not. At 190cm you will not be the tallest in this population. You might be part of a different demographic and tall amongst them.
You don't have enough savings to get this surgery, especially two segments. I would re evaluate what you really want to get from this surgery
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You're lower end of average. For this forum you are tall, but in the real world, amongst the wealthy, educated, Caucasian population you are not. At 190cm you will not be the tallest in this population. You might be part of a different demographic and tall amongst them.
You don't have enough savings to get this surgery, especially two segments. I would re evaluate what you really want to get from this surgery
I’m from a wealthy Caucasian country and most of my friends are young. I stand right amongst them if not on the higher end of average with my friends. I can also attest to this walking in the malls.
You honestly don’t see many people 6’3 or taller. 6’1 to 6’2 maybe, but not 6’3+
I honestly think your assessment is completely wrong.
As for my savings, I can get more. But looking at this forum and the internet today, it looks like I can go to vietnam or India for the first segment and during that lengthening period I can work and save up for the second segment.
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I think it depends on where you are. Where I am 190cm is common. This is a wealth part of a wealthy country. I'm your height and often called short. If 190cm is tall for where you live then it might be worth it.
196 and above gets recognised as tall, but that's it, just as tall. Not as a good partner, hot or masculine. It helps, but if you're struggling to save up in a short time the money needed to go to Europe for surgery then I would say improving your career would have more impact.
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I think it depends on where you are. Where I am 190cm is common. This is a wealth part of a wealthy country. I'm your height and often called short. If 190cm is tall for where you live then it might be worth it.
196 and above gets recognised as tall, but that's it, just as tall. Not as a good partner, hot or masculine. It helps, but if you're struggling to save up in a short time the money needed to go to Europe for surgery then I would say improving your career would have more impact.
i travel the world, especially wealthy white countries, including tallest ones. i've never ever seen 190 is common or 196 is the starting height considered tall.
please tell me where you live bro? i don't understand why you exaggerate on an insane level.
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Have you worked in rich white areas in high end jobs where people are from the best backgrounds and best education? Comparing travelling to these countries to actually working in these environments is completely different. I can go into the neighbouring, deprived, area and I am above average
Rich people have good nutrition. Tall people become richer on average and get more top job opportunities.
This forum is very biased. There are a few coders but generally few doctors, lawyers and bankers - people with top jobs.
I live in one of the wealthiest areas in a very wealthy city where people have all gone to Harvard equivalents.
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i travel the world, especially wealthy white countries, including tallest ones. i've never ever seen 190 is common or 196 is the starting height considered tall.
please tell me where you live bro? i don't understand why you exaggerate on an insane level.
HeightGain is definitely insane
190 isn’t common anywhere
I travel too and I work in CBD of a wealthy city. 180 is a bit above average and 190 is rare. Anyone taller standouts a lot.
You’re correct when you say he exaggerates to an insane level.
And his latest comments make it sound like he thinks we never leave our homes?
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HeightGain is definitely insane
190 isn’t common anywhere
I travel too and I work in CBD of a wealthy city. 180 is a bit above average and 190 is rare. Anyone taller standouts a lot.
You’re correct when you say he exaggerates to an insane level.
And his latest comments make it sound like he thinks we never leave our homes?
I'm not trying to attack anyone but, he sounds a lot like incel forum type of a person. Strangely, i've seen many comments lately like that. And yeah, you are right.
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Think what you like. I've said many times, you've got to be comfortable in your own environment. I'm just stating what is in my environment. Obviously, a proof of a negative is impossible in this context but never mind
If you're struggling to save more than 30k you are not working in the same environment I am.
Someone from a rich country considering going to Vietnam or India when they don't consider themselves short for their environment. That's insane
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If you're struggling to save more than 30k you are not working in the same environment I am.
Not my discussion, just my 2c, but you sound a bit classist right here. I think the oppositions were about asking you to give facts of what regions do you observe people with 190cm+ height to be normal. You yourself drew correlation between being rich and being tall, rather a very odd one in its own. Instead of degrading people with how much $$ they implied to have, can you focus on answering the original question? aka. what specific regions did you claim having normal people at 190cm+ height?
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You're lower end of average. For this forum you are tall, but in the real world, amongst the wealthy, educated, Caucasian population you are not. At 190cm you will not be the tallest in this population. You might be part of a different demographic and tall amongst them.
1.90 is not common anywhere in the world. And 1.80 is definitely not seen as short anywhere. I’m from Germany, a country which has a high average height.
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If you're struggling to save more than 30k you are not working in the same environment I am.
Who said I’m struggling to save 30k?
I barely discovered limb lengthening a week ago… I haven’t been saving for it.
30k is just what I already had tucked away, and not including my mortgage offset account I don’t want to touch…
Also why is considering India or Vietnam insane?
I’ve read diaries where people have had great results with Dr Parihar and Dr Quynh.
Are you racist and consider any doctor outside of Europe or America inferior?
Considering I live in Australia and India and Asia is closest to me, these options make perfect sense.
And as other users have responded, you have not provided any evidence regarding your height speculations.
Cheers.
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I'm trying to sympathize but I think this is just ridiculous. You dont want to be equal you want to be better than everyone else. I think the mentality of needing to dominate instead of co-exist with other humans is your issue. If you want to be competitive then focus on other areas of success that dont land you in a hospital and risking permanent body damage.
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I'm trying to sympathize but I think this is just ridiculous. You dont want to be equal you want to be better than everyone else. I think the mentality of needing to dominate instead of co-exist with other humans is your issue. If you want to be competitive then focus on other areas of success that dont land you in a hospital and risking permanent body damage.
Domination is the wrong word. I don’t want to put anyone down while I lift myself up.
I just want to the best version of myself I possibly can be.
Improve myself in all areas. Why skip over height when there’s a method available?
And every surgery has risks not just limb lengthening, and not just for me. Everyone on this forum is taking a risk.
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Domination is the wrong word. I don’t want to put anyone down while I lift myself up.
I just want to the best version of myself I possibly can be.
Improve myself in all areas. Why skip over height when there’s a method available?
And every surgery has risks not just limb lengthening, and not just for me. Everyone on this forum is taking a risk.
First of all everyone should be able to do whatever surgeries they want but I think you misinterpreted him.
I think what he was getting at is it bothered you to see your friends catch up to you in height and even though you are currently above average you still want to be seen as the taller one.
For you other point about everyone taking a risk that is true. The difference is that 165cm guy has much better risk/reward ratio than you at 180cm. It's similar to how a 20 year old gains far more from this surgery as they get to enjoy their height while it matters most, their youth. Compared to say those 30 and older where most people are coupled up and in careers by then.
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First of all everyone should be able to do whatever surgeries they want but I think you misinterpreted him.
I think what he was getting at is it bothered you to see your friends catch up to you in height and even though you are currently above average you still want to be seen as the taller one.
For you other point about everyone taking a risk that is true. The difference is that 165cm guy has much better risk/reward ratio than you at 180cm. It's similar to how a 20 year old gains far more from this surgery as they get to enjoy their height while it matters most, their youth. Compared to say those 30 and older where most people are coupled up and in careers by then.
I agree with you about the risk/reward thing when it comes to starting height but not to age. A man at 30 or 40 can still enjoy the benefits of this surgery as muchbas a 20 years kid can. If we are talking about enjoying slerping with random girls of the ages between 20-30, a 30 years old has much highier chances than a 24 years old (this is my experience)
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I agree with you about the risk/reward thing when it comes to starting height but not to age. A man at 30 or 40 can still enjoy the benefits of this surgery as muchbas a 20 years kid can. If we are talking about enjoying slerping with random girls of the ages between 20-30, a 30 years old has much highier chances than a 24 years old (this is my experience)
I totally agree. Age is not so big problem for men than for women. I see all the time tall handsome men (who are way older than me) with young beautiful women. Man can easily get 10-20 yrs younger women, if he is tall and handsome. And for many women height is number 1 thing. If you are short, better look like Tom Cruise if you want lot of one night stands with hot women.
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The difference is that 165cm guy has much better risk/reward ratio than you at 180cm.
I’d argue the risk/reward ratio is better for me.
I’m taking a lot less risk but my limbs are already longer. For example, me lengthening 5cm on my tibias is less riskier than someone with shorter tibias doing the same.
I’m happily in a relationship (even discussing engagement and marriage) so not doing this to for girls, but I’d say the dating benefit of going from below average height to average, or average to tall is about equal.
Going to average height your height is no longer seen as a negative but also not anything special, going to tall your height is going from not a factor to a positive.
The benefit shifts the same amount.
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. It's similar to how a 20 year old gains far more from this surgery as they get to enjoy their height while it matters most, their youth. Compared to say those 30 and older where most people are coupled up and in careers by then.
I’m in my late 20’s but I’ve done the dating different girls thing and I’m past liking going out and trying to impress and hookup.
I’m at that phase of its cooler to hold onto the right one and settle. I’m 20’s like you say but also coupled up and in a stable career.
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I’d argue the risk/reward ratio is better for me.
I’m taking a lot less risk but my limbs are already longer. For example, me lengthening 5cm on my tibias is less riskier than someone with shorter tibias doing the same.
I’m happily in a relationship (even discussing engagement and marriage) so not doing this to for girls, but I’d say the dating benefit of going from below average height to average, or average to tall is about equal.
Going to average height your height is no longer seen as a negative but also not anything special, going to tall your height is going from not a factor to a positive.
The benefit shifts the same amount.
Again speaking from personal experience, the negatives of shortness are much bigger than the positives of tallness. Once you are about average (175cm usually in the vast majority of western countries) face and body are no longer influenced by height. I always heard women say "good looking but short" but never "ugly looking but atleast tall/big"
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Again speaking from personal experience, the negatives of shortness are much bigger than the positives of tallness. Once you are about average (175cm usually in the vast majority of western countries) face and body are no longer influenced by height. I always heard women say "good looking but short" but never "ugly looking but atleast tall/big"
I just asked my girlfriend instead of guessing.
But her response is just 1 view and she’s short like 4’11
She said 175 or higher she doesn’t care, and too tall is a turn off
But taller girls might like even taller guys. I dunno
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I just asked my girlfriend instead of guessing.
But her response is just 1 view and she’s short like 4’11
She said 175 or higher she doesn’t care, and too tall is a turn off
But taller girls might like even taller guys. I dunno
I asked her what about shorter guys, because the argument is that short to average is more benefit.
She said she’s never dated guys below average, but that’s only her personal preference.
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She said 175 or higher she doesn’t care, and too tall is a turn off
My rule nro. 1. Don't ever listen girls. They say just what sounds good. But finally they want tall men instead of short. No matter what they say.
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My rule nro. 1. Don't ever listen girls. They speak just what sounds good. But finally they want tall men instead of short. No matter what they say.
That’s so sexist. My girlfriend is intelligent and pretty steadfast. She’s not an opinion flopper and she’d give me her legit opinion.
Sorry, just had to put on the bf boots for a second and defend her.
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I’d argue the risk/reward ratio is better for me.
Going to average height your height is no longer seen as a negative but also not anything special, going to tall your height is going from not a factor to a positive.
My opinion change from 180 to 185cm is huge. Im about 178-179cm my goal is 184cm. So from average to tall. Couple of my friends are short (about 170cm), most of us are near 180cm and some are about 185cm. WIth girls it seems like those tall guys live in different world. Getting ONE NIGHT STANDS is so much easier for them. I dont see almost any benefit at bar being 178-179cm instead of my best friends height 175cm. We both are just average and dont get any benefit of our height.
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My opinion change from 180 to 185cm is huge. Im about 178-179cm my goal is 184cm. So from average to tall. Couple of my friends are short (about 170cm), most of us are near 180cm and some are about 185cm. WIth girls it seems like those tall guys live in different world. Getting ONE NIGHT STANDS is so much easier for them. I dont see almost any benefit at bar being 178-179cm instead of my best friends height 175cm. We both are just average and dont get any benefit of our height.
The biggest players I know are all good looking. And are tall, average and short (167cm). They also know how to game. Geting ONSs is not just looks. Even I had no problem before getting laid with random girls... character goes a very very long way. You do need to look somewhat attractive though
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My opinion change from 180 to 185cm is huge. Im about 178-179cm my goal is 184cm. So from average to tall. Couple of my friends are short (about 170cm), most of us are near 180cm and some are about 185cm. WIth girls it seems like those tall guys live in different world. Getting ONE NIGHT STANDS is so much easier for them. I dont see almost any benefit at bar being 178-179cm instead of my best friends height 175cm. We both are just average and dont get any benefit of our height.
That’s a healthy amount. You lengthening tibias or femurs?
It worries me all these people that think doing 8cm on one segment in one surgery is A-Okay
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The biggest players I know are all good looking. And are tall, average and short (167cm). They also know how to game. Geting ONSs is not just looks. Even I had no problem before getting laid with random girls... character goes a very very long way. You do need to look somewhat attractive though
Are girls the only reason people on this forum lengthen?
I’m not thinking about girls at all in doing this surgery.
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Are girls the only reason people on this forum lengthen?
I’m not thinking about girls at all in doing this surgery.
I see huge benefits of height in many areas of life. Girls are definately huge factor, maybe 30%. But still if I was happily married I would still do it. But now when Im not interested in getting married or have kids at all, i have every reason to do it.
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Are girls the only reason people on this forum lengthen?
I’m not thinking about girls at all in doing this surgery.
IMHO, 95% of guys do. Me as well.. I dont see any other reason to do this other than attractivness
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IMHO, 95% of guys do. Me as well.. I dont see any other reason to do this other than attractivness
To me reasons: girls, dream, self esteem, job opportunities.
Side note: and If i get with my height rich women who would fund my life and I could even stop working that would be awesome.
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I just had femur for 8 cm , if you do tibia , it is another 7 cm . I know someone who did LL same day as me on Tibia got 7 cm .
total would be 15 cm , if you do both , you can go 6 cm femur , 5 cm tibia and it is very safe for your body .
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As far I know the higher you are, the less risk there is.
I highly recommend Paley European Institute for the procedure <3
https://increaseheight.eu/en/
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Who said I’m struggling to save 30k?
I barely discovered limb lengthening a week ago… I haven’t been saving for it.
30k is just what I already had tucked away, and not including my mortgage offset account I don’t want to touch…
Also why is considering India or Vietnam insane?
I’ve read diaries where people have had great results with Dr Parihar and Dr Quynh.
Are you racist and consider any doctor outside of Europe or America inferior?
Considering I live in Australia and India and Asia is closest to me, these options make perfect sense.
And as other users have responded, you have not provided any evidence regarding your height speculations.
Cheers.
Crying out rAsCIst because someone has a different opinion to is rather pathetic and hypocritical. People go to the US and Europe because the standard of healthcare is better there and that is reflected in the prices. The doctors ethnicity is irrelevant.
You're getting on a long haul flight if you're going to India, Vietnam or the US. That is not enough to be the differentiator. It is clearly a financial decision that has made you choose Vietnam or India.
You can believe what you like regarding the height of the area I live in. I believe that you won't be getting leg lengthening or this is not a genuine account. If you've only discovered limb lengthening a week ago you are obviously not that concerned by your height and have little understanding or knowledge of scientific and medical progress. I mean you've been so relaxed about your height for all these years that you've never done a 2 minute search on how to get taller? Something doesn't make sense here
Next you'll be saying you've done a lot of research and can confidently declare that Dr Parihar or some other doctor based in India/turkey/Vietnam is the best doctor out there and everyone should visit them for lengthening
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Are girls the only reason people on this forum lengthen?
I’m not thinking about girls at all in doing this surgery.
Try being shorter than 5'6 and see if you struggle with girls. You are 5'11 which is way above most people's desired height after surgery. To you of course you have no issues dating and you take your height for granted.
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If I had been blessed with the height of 5'11"...I never would have considered doing CLL. It appears now that CLL is simply making already-tall men even taller. No way I would go through what I did if I were already tall.
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People at 5.11 must be so bored with life, to even consider ll. amazing
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If I had been blessed with the height of 5'11"...I never would have considered doing CLL. It appears now that CLL is simply making already-tall men even taller. No way I would go through what I did if I were already tall.
Nowadays for example Giotikas has ll patients almost 180cm and some are even taller. Maybe in future even 185cm male will do it. Who knows.
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Nowadays for example Giotikas has ll patients almost 180cm and some are even taller. Maybe in future even 185cm male will do it. Who knows.
I think this is still a very small minority of people who are at a good height and still want to do this. Hell, even most short people don’t wanna do this as it’s not like any other cosmetic surgery.
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Nowadays for example Giotikas has ll patients almost 180cm and some are even taller. Maybe in future even 185cm male will do it. Who knows.
If this happens and LL surgery becomes less expensive and easier short men will have no hope. Surgery will be for average/tall guys wanting to mog other men rather than for short guys wanting to be treated as humans as even if they get the surgery they will still be short.