Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: paid my dues on September 02, 2014, 09:36:07 PM
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Hello people I am a leg lengthening patient, from the old forum make me taller. I am going to start posting here because I recently went through an experience that kinda pissed me off, I done my leg lengthening in india my experience with the doctor was great I recovered fantastically with no problems at all maybe bit of tightness In my calf's thats it. Now personally me I started out telling a few friends about my leg lengthening it didn't bother me too much and still doesn't the problem is Sys op / apotheosis and doctor guichet got my email and looked me up on Facebook started adding my friends and telling them I had leg lengthening I didn't mind too much to be honest I ve told too many people to care about that bit cause I'm an upfront sort of guy people don't scare me and never will. What I am trying to tell y'all is that if you aren't like me which many people aren't don't tell anybody about your LL and trust no one here on this site or any other LL site sorry it has to be said that way. You see I am the sort of personality that truely loves to tell people I done leg lengthening surgery, why? You may ask...... I ll tell you why because I think people should know the lengths people will go to be happy and that it is a good thing ( literally the lengths Haha) , the other thing is that I have and despise that men have to suffer in the manner that they do by society for being shorter than average, screw that I don't accept it and I never will. I hated the fact that simply because I was shorter than most that I was seen as less manly than other men. I always held myself in high esteem as a man I grew up as a fighter on the streets and I'm the boxing ring I am a man and a leader of men at that I don't care what anyone thinks and this is my attitude, I am prepared to take this idea all the way, I am also contemplating becoming a spokesperson for short people it's discrimination it's not fair and it's cruel if someone wants to do leg lengthening and feel better about themselves that's their choice, I also dream of a day where
We are seen by society as just as strong
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You lost me at "Dr. Guichet add my friends to his fb and told em about my ll". Troll
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Troll. Also invest in a comma, makes for easy reading
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U have a lot of free time man do something with ur life
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Too long, didnt read.
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Sys op / apotheosis and doctor guichet got my email and looked me up on Facebook started adding my friends and telling them I had leg lengthening
Lol wtf
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So is that the response I get from fellow leg lengtheners?? My goodness take it or leave it was only concerned for you guys...... Gfu's then.
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So is that the response I get from fellow leg lengtheners?? My goodness take it or leave it was only concerned for you guys...... Gfu's then.
I personally don't care if someone figures I had LL. But I'm not telling everyone I had it either.
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the extreme lengths that people from old forum will go to, to try and demonize this forum.
anyone can sit there and lie and then state on old forum later that "see everyone on LL Forum all believe in lies"
this is to be expected since revenue is being lost by corrupt people on old forum .
it is natural that they would send in provocateurs to deceive us and try to demonize this forum.
this is no simple lie. it is a Psyop with a methodology and purpose.
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So is that the response I get from fellow leg lengtheners?? My goodness take it or leave it was only concerned for you guys...... Gfu's then.
Gtfo u troll.
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U have no proof, guichet would never go that low, the only part I agree though is the title
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Give this guy a break, it's great advice, particularly for anyone who doesn't want to be blackmailed in the future, or plans to take their lengthening to the grave. He says don't even trust your lengthening buddies, nothing wrong with that. I do however agree about the troll problem on this site lately and he's not one, so settle down:) He just needs to make his message more clear.
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This is bulls**t, Guichet would never tell random people that someone had surgery, he's a busy man who's got more important things to do, also a doctor is obliged to keep everything about his patients secret, it's called confidentiality . If he tells someone, he would be breaking the law.
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paid my dues, why don't you shoot an email to Dr. Guichet threatening to sue him over what he did? I would do that. I mean *seriously*.
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Give this guy a break, it's great advice, particularly for anyone who doesn't want to be blackmailed in the future, or plans to take their lengthening to the grave. He says don't even trust your lengthening buddies, nothing wrong with that. I do however agree about the troll problem on this site lately and he's not one, so settle down:) He just needs to make his message more clear.
100% agree, but guiched would never go that low, what would he benefit from that?
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This is the message from the person who gave me some of the information . And yes my name is danny .
Conversation started 25 September 2013
25/09/2013 03:50
Min-jun Cho
danny, sysop and apotheosis are the same person and he is using the forum to exploit and profit off people because he has financial agreements with the doctors on the recommended list. when you posted slanderous accusations about guichet on your diary, sysop alerted guichet about this and they used your email you gave guichet to access your facebook and tell your friends about your surgery. they used this as an excuse to remove your diary and thus remove the slanderous accusations from the forum, they believe your accusations could cost guichet business and therefore cost both of them money. sysop also had a disagreement with dr sarin so he blocked the guesthouse IP address and posted slanderous accusations about dr sarin on the forum. he has also blocked many people like captain america and calic from accessing their accounts. he needs to be stopped.
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Since guichet and sys op / apotheosis haven't stopped I will now continue to tell the truth about guichet and sys op , I remember also suddenly being banned from the forum , at first I was like wtf but then I understood it .
Who's the trol now . But that's not the point the point being I'm here to help not be a keyboard warrior yea , take it or leave it .
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the extreme lengths that people from old forum will go to, to try and demonize this forum.
anyone can sit there and lie and then state on old forum later that "see everyone on LL Forum all believe in lies"
this is to be expected since revenue is being lost by corrupt people on old forum .
it is natural that they would send in provocateurs to deceive us and try to demonize this forum.
this is no simple lie. it is a Psyop with a methodology and purpose.
this, probably sysop send him to say false information to make us look that we believe in every thing we read
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@pay my dues, thanks a lot for coming forward, please ignore those who call you a troll.
If Guichet really did that people deserve to know the truth about him.
As you can understand, people aren't willing to believe you and they seem brain washed by Guichet and his supposed awesomeness.
So can you post some screenshots of Guichet telling people about you?
I'm honestly not challenging you. If you did this, it would be a huge favor you would be doing us. People shouldn't go to such desperate doctors if what you're telling is real.
Thanks
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How about some screenshots....? So far its all hearsay and he said, she said, my dads tougher than your dad...
I find this extremely hard to believe, like another poster already said, whats in it for Guichet by doing this? He's an accomplished Dr and a well regarded one at it, has a good reputation whereas Dr Betz has lost his, makes good money, has a lot of patients. And he'd rather throw all that away to tell your friends you did LL.... on Facebook? Lol, why bother? Sorry but I call bulls**t, I think I have a better chance at winning the lottery and then flying over to see Guichet to have both my surgeries than that ever happening. Of course Im happy to be proven wrong so post some screenshots to back up your claims because so far all Im reading is slander. And no Im not biased, Im yet to start my LL journey with anyone and even if I started my journey I'd never be able to afford either Drs anyway so theres no reason for me to defend either Dr's, Im neutral
Also Guichet is Betz's number one rival and Sysop hates this site, put two and two together and you get paid my dues. Sorry I dont have any proof, you'll just have to take my word for it(sarcasm)
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Are you stupid , go back and read the message I had sent to me explaining why guichet and sys/op were angry . Do you understand are you dumb , sys op -?sysop and guichet had a deal . That sys op sysop promote guichet so since they had a deal to make money , me slandering guichet on the forum was getting in the way of their business deal . If you read my diary on old forum , you would have seen apotheosis who actually is sys/op sysop post in my diary defending guichet . But your soo in the dark you don't know nothing .
Bottom you know jack about guichet and sys op - sysop .
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Your an idiot
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Here's some info about dr guichet and sys/op -sysop from old forum , and what they were doing . Screen shot of how I was notified by a concerned patient .
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the troll is real with this one, u really believe some random asian dude?
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Then why dont you sue him for breaking the Dr confidentiality agreement once you became his patient instead of coming on here... Seems more logical wouldn't it, and since you have all your proof, it should be a walk in the park...
Again the troll is strong in this one...
So we're supposed to believe some asian guy no ones ever heard off and take his word for it? No thank you sir, I'd rather take my chances with Guichet if I had the money than listen to you and your anonymous asian friend... Betz however, well his affiliation with Sysop has already been well documented and this site is result of the seedy business deals they had. No one has ever heard of a Guichet-Sysop deal yet but EVERYONE has heard of a Betz-Sysop deal . If you had concrete proof then I'd take you seriously but you just reek of troll so I give Guichet the benefit of the doubt.
Continue trolling, the forums need some laughter ;D
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lol @ the troll is strong in this one :) so true.
listen paid my dues. facebook already has the legal precedent in court to be proof of statment and people have even gone to actual jail for posting on facebook.
my point being that the precedent states, in court, that if what you say is true then it would be easier than taking candy from a baby to sue dr guitchet.
so until you post proof of a law suit I think your full of fu##ing sh#t. :) you are a troll.
all you are doing is gas lighting now. ridiculous.
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Hey everyone - Danny is the boxer guy from Dr. Sarin and Guichet did not return any of his deposit, that is what I remember. He wrote all what happened between him and Guichet in his diary.
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"they used this as an excuse to remove your diary" LOLL, since when does sysop need an excuse to remove a diary?? Youre still here, troll?
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this guy is real. i remember him from old forum . he did surgery in india after having pre-op exam with guichet. There were some disagreement between him and guichet about money or something.
But yeah this guy has many nicknames. he also posted his with face exposed and his real name too.
dude how is you recovery. are u 100% again? can u walk normally? any change is life after LL? regarding girls and self-esteem=
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What did you say about Guichet that got you banned and your diary removed?
Whatever it was, say it here for the record. You won't be censored.
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Finally you pricks are starting to see the light, thanks kusop, yea I don't care jack who knows I done LL, I did, 6 cms but actually turned out to be 5cms, anyway I'm good I went back to boxing continued with personal training and almost married twice, just got a few things to sort out.
Anyway now that you know who I am, guichet the little faggot took 5'000 euros from me which is 6,000 and something aud dollars and only returned 2,500 dollars to me, which is only 1882 aud.
Guichet did nothing for me except send a freaking stretching document and introduction document. So he said he wouldn't return the rest.
In the end I realised he wasn't an honourable doctor and was quite happy to take funds from me that he did nothing to earn fot it. You get me i got pissed off so I said it in my diary.
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Sorry for the pricks comment I was getting pissed lol
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when you say you lengthened 6 cm but got 5... you mean you think you turned 6 cm but x rays showed 5>>>??? not that x rays showed 6, but you shrunk?
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Sorry bro not here to talk about how much I lengthed I'm over that, just here to spread the word.
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So you dont care who knows you did LL yet you are here because Guichet told your friends on Facebook...? ??? Ok...
Why dont you turn your tone down and stop giving the rest of us Australians a bad image, no need for foul language like 'little faggot'. Its uncalled for and can be seen as homophobic
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Don't be an idiot lol it was the lengths that he went to you get it??? like I said don't be an idiot other thing is, you sound abit like your sympathising with Sys op / sysop and guichet. Mmmmmm
You sure your not a supporter or sysop himself??? Like why u defending him / them!?????
You hiding something??
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Anyway I ve done my 5 or 6 cms and Im off to go live life. Bye
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Anyway I ve done my 5 or 6 cms and Im off to go live life. Bye
finally
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What I see is a sore loser whos spreading lies cuz he didn't get all of his non-refundable deposit back.
The only "proof" shown was that crap fb post from Min-jun Cho that you prob wrote yourself. Heres a trollipop paidmydues, go suk on it.
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Well like I had posted earlier once, one can never tell whether diaries *even on this forum* are real or not. I can randomly start a Parihar diary and say he's horrible with vivid descriptions. Then you'd believe me. But you outright reject Danny. I'm not asking you believe him but keep your minds open. Things may not be as they seem. Guichet *might* have done that.
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Well like I had posted earlier once, one can never tell whether diaries *even on this forum* are real or not. I can randomly start a Parihar diary and say he's horrible with vivid descriptions. Then you'd believe me. But you outright reject Danny. I'm not asking you believe him but keep your minds open. Things may not be as they seem. Guichet *might* have done that.
I agree. I reckon we should not chase paid my dues away. My feeling is that the highly respected and one of the godfathers of modern LL (Dr.Guichet) would never go this low but then again I may be wrong. Maybe paid my dues is right all along but his anger is what causing all this controversy amongst the members. It would be better if paid my dues actually provides more evidence on this matter. This would help future members who are considering Dr.Guichet.
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Look I can't help myself, let this just be a warning to anyone don't give dr guichet any money if you think you might back out at one stage or another. Is that simple enough. It's hilarious to me that people wouldnt even consider that what I'm saying might be true, except for the last 2 posts that is. But any way speaking of proof If i can find them bear in mind they were 2 years ago I ll post them.
But damn it really does make me suspicious as to why a bunch of guys here are guichet groupies.
I Dunno.
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wow, gas lighting, and now a new psychological manipulation technique. mixing a truth in with the lie to gain support from a subgroup of the population. we all know that doctors don't return deposits. you are hardly the first person to report such things. you are clearly reporting on something that is factual now so as to gain support on your other claims which are clear lies.
like I stated: no lawsuit then it didn't happen. your just pissed that you did not get your deposit and so you are spreading lies.
gotta love when people mix truth into their lies to gain support for their story.
did anyone notice the change in directed talking point to his whole pretense being about loosing money for his deposit and nothing to do with facebook..............
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did anyone notice the change in directed talking point to his whole pretense being about loosing money for his deposit and nothing to do with facebook..............
I was about to say, beat me to it.
It all started as a Facebook problem, now its turned into a deposit dilemma. Sigh.
Next he'll tell us Guichet amputated one of his legs... :-[
Plus when you get in contact with Guichet dont you already provide him all your details including your email? Just curious
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Just a bunch of cunts that wanna argue like women, evenn with LL I think you 2 would drive a women insane, I think height might be the least of your problems.
Lol it's that sort of over analysing attitude that, gets u in trouble in the first place.
Would it hurt to think maybe I might be telling the truth???
For everybody that's seeing these cunts, I put it to you since these guys won't give up lol
Maybe these guys are paid by guichet himself.
Paid by old Sys/op
Are Sys/op lol
Guichet patients ( don't know a thing about em, I don't research Every cunt on her lol)
anyway I'm not into this but Im amuzed I can't help but wonder about the sort of personality that refuses to see another perspective.
Like I don't hate you guys, the only reason I think y'all won't show a litttle understanding is that you could just be selfish people and only care for yourselfs.
The only reason I am here is to helI (ftp://I)p by Way of don't let this happen to you, idea. Get me???!?!
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Its funny how "Min-jun Cho" letter is EXACTLY the same uninterrupted style of your first post.
Get me??
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Paid my dues,
thanks for posting.
guys, lets not chase away people who have had problems with doctor, because in the future someone might not want to share an important information out of fear of being ostracized. I don't know if 'paid my dues' is telling the truth or not, but it is good to be cautious.
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I remember him now , Danny he went to India last year
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I know Danny is for real and had to say that the way you chased him out is unbelievable! He ripped of Danny and did the lowest thing a doctor can do, breaking patient confidentiality, and you still defend the guy?
Gouichet patients have had complications. Stop lying to people that he is the best!
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Growtallordietrying post has been removed and he was sent a PM about why it is removed. I suggest waiting for his response first.
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hi guy
it seems we were indeed getting off topic.
I believe that paid my dues is a patient of guichet like he is claiming as he has been seen by others, and I honestly believe he did not receive his deposit back, but it makes no sense for the doctor to incriminate himself on facebook. so my comment to gps was that we do believe half of the statements that paid my dues is making.
I think that is quite a reasonable stance to take in this matter. anyways peace out guys :)
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GTDT’s post got deleted because it was too much nonsense and rude even for the standards of this forum.
The doctor in this thread is Guichet and you went on and on about “bets”? Are you well?
You deliberately don’t capitalize his name, misspell his name although you clearly see it’s spelled Betz and don’t refer to him as Dr.
Your bias against “bets” shows and that’s why you blindly defend his rival.
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So Danny created a fake identity to message himself in 2013 because he predicted this forum will be created a year later and he will be asked to show a screenshot?
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what the fk are you going on about.
I accidently wrote bets instead of gitch because it was a typo. its called a Freudian slip.
are you mental if that is your argument? because that is ridiculous.
as for either doctor I frankly don't care about either. never did never will.
paid my dues is lying about the facebook issue. if he is not then were is the law suit? there is none and there never will be.
paid my dues did not lie about the other issues, only about facebook. by all means your welcome to post proof.
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Agreed, I think the Facebook issue is a load of s**t if you ask me....
He may have taken his deposit for what ever reason, only he knows, and that I may believe if there is proof. But regarding Facebook, that just seems extremely low. Not even Betz would do that and he is really low in terms of ethics and honesty. Im happy to be proven wrong.
Since paid my dues's main point of starting this topic was to inform us about Guichet and who you choose to tell about your LL, I think thats been achieved and everyone here has noted. No point carrying on unless he has proof to back up his statements otherwise its just slander
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Nobody's chased me away it doesn't bother me if you believe me or not, just go get your leg lengthening and call it day. None of this bothers me my whole point I'm trying to get into your heads is, keep your personal information private. I'm mentally strong enough to handle whatever comes my way it's no big deal the people who truly love you won't care you had leg lengthening.
I tried to tell you about what can happen, don't believe it tough cookies it's not my problem.
Anyway I thought this new limb lengthening forum would be different. I was here to help fellow patients, not appreciatiated that's fine with me i won't lose anything.
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Nobody's chased me away it doesn't bother me if you believe me or not, just go get your leg lengthening and call it day. None of this bothers me my whole point I'm trying to get into your heads is, keep your personal information private. I'm mentally strong enough to handle whatever comes my way it's no big deal the people who truly love you won't care you had leg lengthening.
I tried to tell you about what can happen, don't believe it tough cookies it's not my problem.
Anyway I thought this new limb lengthening forum would be different. I was here to help fellow patients, not appreciatiated that's fine with me i won't lose anything.
I had a similar experience. The people on forums somehow don't want to believe in negative stuff. They think a doctor would never go so low. Ironically they easily believe in positive stories without much questioning. Anybody can claim he's a patient of a certain doctor and that they had no problem whatsoever and the doctor is great and blabla. But once somebody tells them the wonderful doctor is not so wonderful, that person gets immediately attacked.
Wake up people! Doctors who specialize in cll more often than not have poor ethics.
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paid my dues:
I think your looking at this glass half empty,
you have certainly reminded people that doctors can not be trusted to return deposits.
that is a huge issue for people who trust doctors to return them.
you have highlighted that if you give someone a deposit you will not (or might not) get it back no matter who the doctor is.
I think you should be happy with spreading that awareness.
now people will be persuaded to accept that they should not hand over a deposit unless they are prepared to never see that money again should they back out.
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If it is fine with you, then move on from the topic. We got your point, that's what important. Some people believe you and others don't. It is what it is. 8)
+1 to that
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GTDT,
Are you cursing because you didn’t have a comeback for why he has a FB message from 2013? You know you don’t have to be a forum Nazi if you are losing an argument. Are you able to stop being rude?
You’re not smart to say if there is no lawsuit, nothing wrong happened. People get ripped off all the time, but they don’t have the time, knowledge, and resources to pursue a lawsuit. Even more difficult if it is an international case.
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Wake up people! Doctors who specialize in cll more often than not have poor ethics.
+1
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GTDT,
Are you cursing because you didn’t have a comeback for why he has a FB message from 2013? You know you don’t have to be a forum Nazi if you are losing an argument. Are you able to stop being rude?
You’re not smart to say if there is no lawsuit, nothing wrong happened. People get ripped off all the time, but they don’t have the time, knowledge, and resources to pursue a lawsuit. Even more difficult if it is an international case.
No he's saying that paidmydues has no credibility and no proof so why would anyone with an ounce of brain believe him?
Any clown can come here and make false accusations to get back at someone. His game is clear, he's pis*ed because he didn't get all of his deposit back and now he wants payback.
Actually I think that it was very nice of Dr. Guichet to reimburse a portion of his non-refundable deposit. If I were him I would've kicked his sorry ass all the way to nowhere land, where he belongs.
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I think this topic is going in a circle. Paymydues made his claim about Dr Guichet and elaborated on it, it's up to people to believe what they want. Simple as that. It's not constructive to drag this topic on with petty arguments. Thread locked and moving on.