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Title: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 01, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
Hey everyone, just joined. Being above a certain height is every ambition person's dream. I won't go into the merits of stature, but I was 171cm (around 5 ft 7) at the age of 29. For a lot of people, that was good height, but I wasn't content.  Obviously at that age, your growth plates are locked and growing naturally isn't really possible, no matter which exercises you do.  I tried everything from inversion (hanging upside down) to all the stretches you can do, to no avail.
The internet wasn't as developed as it is today, but I was fortunate enough to learn about Professor Bliskunov's internal rod method. The Ilizarov external devices, requiring extended hospitalisation/bed stay and horrendous scarring, never appealed to me. So after some further research, I opted for surgery in Kiev, Ukraine. The year was 2004. I achieved 11cm in around 4.5 months and now stand at 182cm or around 6ft. Nobody has ever told me I looked disproportional.
One of the best things I ever did. Suffices to say I am delighted with my height and have been for many years, I am so thankful to the doctors here, I have so much more confidence and I am more at ease with myself. I can run, jump and do all the activities I did previously. Fast forward 14 years and I am back in this beautiful city with a view to staying here long term.  If anyone here is considering the surgical route, I am more than happy to meet you, offer advice, mentoring etc. Having someone who's been there and done it is a great advantage to have. This is unlike any other surgery. The doctor will operate on you and break your bones, but healing and growing is up to you. As reported elsewhere, there are four phases to LL: Preparation, Surgery, Lengthening and Strengthening. I've seen some patients/rich kids who have skipped the first part to their detriment. You have to be mentally, physically, psychologically and to an extent financially ready.  LL is expensive surgery and with so many doctors and clinics touting for your business nowadays, it is important to be armed with as much information as possible in order to make the right decision for oneself.
Feel free to contact me.

Oh and by the way, I just read Rocky's post. I was his visitor :)  To correct him, my surgery was in 2004, rods were taken out in 2006.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 08:23:49 PM
A pic speaks a thousand words as they say. For those interested, I can talk about life post LL, has it been worth it etc.

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Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 08, 2018, 08:41:47 PM
Did you do IT band release? What are its complications  if any did you face (both cases if you did or if you didn't)?

Internal femurs would cause a loss of rich bone marrow. How does body cope up with the loss? Did you face lower blood count or lack of HGB in blood count leading to feeling of weakness prior to removal of rods?

After the rods were removed, did you get your x-rays, are you bones fully consolidated, has the bone marrow regenerated fully in your bones?

You seem to have a a long post op experience, can you comment on whether there is any negative impact healthwise in long term due to LL?

Have you gained your 100% if no, what is  lost due to LL flexiblity, athleticism, pain, arthritis?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 09:03:41 PM
Sorry what's IT band release?
Thankfully I had little complications. I think the doctor gave me some additional supplements to increase red blood cell count for a while, but other than that, I just followed a healthy diet. Lots of dairy, fresh fruits, meat and veg etc.
Of course the bones were fully consolidated before rods were taken out. Or do you think they would remove them otherwise?
Only negatives are slight loss of flexibilty, but that can be attained with regular stretching. Sitting down on the floor in certain positions for extended periods can cause discomfort. Lengthening just one part of the body will render you out of proportion no matter which way you look at it, but the benefits for me far outweigh any negs. I'd do it again.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: 0184946 on July 08, 2018, 09:07:51 PM
congratulations. Your proportions look fine, I couldnt notice which segment you lengthened till I reread the title. How did you deal with the pain? Im guessing you were very much in shape. Im happy for you. Im only 164 and want to lengthen 20cm total but, man, it sounds painful. what did your tendons feel like when you hit 7-9 cm?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 09:08:04 PM
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Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 09:13:08 PM
Thanks pal.  Of course there is some degree of pain, but everyone has a different pain threshold. I was always thinking of the end result and how happy I'd be to reach my goal, so perhaps I didn't feel it so much. You get given painkillers and it's not unbearable pain. Right after surgery maybe, but once you settle in and start lengthening, it's ok.   Yeh, I've always kept in good shape thankfully, ate healthy etc, that helped too I guess. 
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 08, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
Thanks for the reply and congratulations too!
It band is required in cases of femur lengthening, just like Achilles tendon lengthening for tibia.
So as a successful LLer with 14 year of post op experience, you mean to say there are very few or almost negligible impacts of LL on long term health and flexibility? Can say surgery is a win-win situation for any person to undertake? Please confirm.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Johnson1111 on July 08, 2018, 09:34:11 PM
Thanks for the reply and congratulations too!
It band is required in cases of femur lengthening, just like Achilles tendon lengthening for tibia.
So as a successful LLer with 14 year of post op experience, you mean to say there are very few or almost negligible impacts of LL on long term health and flexibility? Can say surgery is a win-win situation for any person to undertake? Please confirm.

Great question just commenting here so I can get a notification from the response
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
If I didn't know what It was, I'm sure I didn't need it.  You don't mean like a graft do you, in case of non-union? If so, I didn't need that either, thank God.

I believe Dr Jamal's method has advanced some more since I did mine. He now gives you stem cell injections for faster recovery and bone regen.

In regards to your question about life post LL, absofeckinglutely it has been worth it!  Very few negs and positives far far outweigh such. Like I said in my opening post, I am very grateful to Dr Jamal and the medical team here in Kiev.

But if you think I am living happily ever after, you'd be wrong too.  Of course I achieved a lifetime goal and for that I am very happy, but life has many challenges and human nature is such that we return to our normal states once the jubilation of something is over. Chances are if you are an unhappy person prior to LL, you might continue to be so, but only taller. I have a balanced view so I'd say I am definitely happier and more at ease.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 08, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
No, it's different it's like elongation of an elastic band which runs from hip to knee by way of making incision, I hope you didn't have to go through it if you don't know about it.

Anyways, a lot of hearty thanks for the detailed answers and replies. Your unmatched experience of 14 years post LL  would be a great treasure and support for  for anxious and potential  LLers here. Please visit this forum regularly to help them. Wishing you a great future and health.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
No, I defo didn't need that.   Are you someone considering LL?
Thanks pal. Wishing you the same!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Body Builder on July 08, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
11 cm are way too much.
You dont look bad at all but if you really did that much (I doubt it from the pics and from the fact that you didnt do itb release) then premature arthritis is almost inevitable for you.

Lengthening more than 8cm in amy segment is insane.
The consequences will be showm in the next years.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Haha, thanks for the heads up on what's awaiting me!  I'm 43 and so far so good.  I think I was lucky in that my femurs were shorter than normal for my pre-LL height, so although they're now much longer, they don't appear so much out of proportion. Dr J wants to take an x-ray soon. I'll be sure to post that.

I am not the only LL'er who put 11cm with the Bliskunov method. I've heard of at least one more. I think he was a local man. But don't expect him to appear on the board anytime soon.  Personally I think it's the best and most efficient method.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: tlannister on July 08, 2018, 10:27:08 PM
taller_in_kiev, I suppose women were one of many reasons for doing this surgery.
Did you find your love? do you have family now?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 08, 2018, 10:40:43 PM
Tlannister, women women.. especially these creatures that walk around Kiev, gives lust a whole new meaning. I actually met my love just prior to commencing surgery in '04. She helped me a lot actually and who knows if the result would've been the same  without her. I owe her much. Only I was too much of an idiot to keep her! We parted ways after a couple of years.  I then found love again some years later, but was still an idiot! So sadly I don't have my own family yet, but it's something I'm working on as a priority, maybe I've left it a little late, who knows?!
There's no doubt being taller increases your chances in the dating world, but it's something you have to reveal if you're going to get serious, or else how're you gonna explain the scars in the bedroom? Fortunately women think differently to men and if she likes you, revealing your LL shouldn't be a deal breaker.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: myloginacc on July 09, 2018, 12:22:27 AM
Can you post pictures of your scars?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Rocky on July 09, 2018, 07:04:55 AM
Hello taller_in_Kiev

It was nice meeting you here in Kiev and hear about your journey. It gave me a boost of energy.

I am thinking about stopping at 8 cm (max 8.5 cm). Most likely end of July or beginning of August. I am thinking about adding 5-6 cm on my tibia for next year or so. But lets see.

It seems that you will stay permanently in Kiev.

Good luck and God bless you.

Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 07:57:13 AM
Hi Rocky
No worries pal and it was a pleasure meeting you too. I think you are doing the right thing, spreading the gains across, but with a total of 13-14cm you are going to be one tall dude!  We will have to meet again when you're all healed up and you'll be towering over me lol!
My stay in Kiev is not certain at the mo, I will see.
Keep stretching, eat well and stay positive.
God bless you too!


Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 08:01:38 AM
Can you post pictures of your scars?

Sorry, not appropriate, but you will have scars. You're not going to hide this completely!  Everyone heals differently, unfortunately I have keloids. I had them cut out and lasered only in the last couple of years, so they're still a bit red and healing.  Having seen Rocky, I don't think his scars were so bad, so I think Dr Jamal's procedure has come a long way since I did it in '04.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
By the way, if you are considering LL, unless you are very close with your family and you think they would understand if you told them, it is best not to tell anyone at all!  I only told a very close friend I knew I could confide in. For everyone else, it was a surprise upon my return.  And I still got all the tut tuts when they saw me on crutches!  They knew nothing about LL of course.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: myloginacc on July 09, 2018, 06:02:24 PM
You can post full body pictures, but not those of your scars, despite all the years that have passed?

And cutting, lasering out keloids generally just means they'll most likely grow back, and even larger.

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Removing the scar is one treatment option; however, it may result in more severe consequences: the probability that the resulting surgery scar will also become a keloid is high, usually greater than 50%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfcISWpOs8Q

This is what happens with bad (e.g. surgical - without cryotherapy) keloidal treatment.

You got misdiagnosed, or you are lying.

I'm tired of all these pseudo-diaries where people can't produce the minimum evidence necessary, don't answer medically pertinent questions, and start crying wolf when pressed on.

For all we know these are just pics of a guy who is naturally that height. Not only that, the claim is 11cm - virtually unheard of -, and you are also claiming to be doing well.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 09, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
Seems very plausible that the diary is fake... This further means Rocky is also fake as he claims to have met this guy.... both are then going to be paid advertisers of Jamal....   happens.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Johnson1111 on July 09, 2018, 08:32:18 PM
Seems very plausible that the diary is fake... This further means Rocky is also fake as he claims to have met this guy.... both are then going to be paid advertisers of Jamal....   happens.

If the diary is fake why would Rocky use that callous gap pic he posted? And why would he say that he was advised to keep lengthening when it wouldn't show any signs of bridging and that "stem cell therapy" will be used instead. Seems like a pretty bad fake if he is one.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 09, 2018, 09:03:11 PM
If the diary is fake why would Rocky use that callous gap pic he posted? And why would he say that he was advised to keep lengthening when it wouldn't show any signs of bridging and that "stem cell therapy" will be used instead. Seems like a pretty bad fake if he is one.


Or let me ask otherwise, how could he meet a person and verify his credentials while person is hesitating to give even a minor proof of legitimacy. Why can't you give some proof that you are real CLLer?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 09:30:25 PM
Wow, I can't believe I'm reading this!  Some haters and doubters on these boards. I had 'Mr bag of good news' earlier telling me to look forward to arthritis lol.
What motivation would I have to post on here if indeed a fake? I have better things to do with my time. I am one of those that moved on with his life after LL. I had a career, went through a couple of marriages, only here cos I am back in Kiev and it was good meeting with Dr J again and his current patient Rocky. As a successful LLer I thought I'd share my experience with you guys and this is what I get in return? Fine, just to shut you bi@tches up, scar photos coming soon.  I'll take'em tomorrow. It's late here.

p.s. however, I am flattered that I look like a guy who is naturally that tall ) best compliment you can give me, cheers!
And can you please remove that vid about keloids, really not necessary!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
Actually, this annoyed me to the point where I had to do it now.

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Happy?  And I'm fairly happy with my scar revision surgery thank you.  Please remove that vid from my diary
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: myloginacc on July 09, 2018, 10:36:17 PM
I can't edit old posts, and those don't look like keloids. People tend to have the tendency to call hypertrophic scars (what those look like after scar revision) the same as if they were keloids. Keloids are a type of scarring only really prevalent in those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

Still, thank you for posting the pictures. You can't expect us all to believe someone who came here claiming he lengthened 11cm and is doing totally fine, specially now at over 40, and without seemingly any concrete proof at all. Most people here lengthened less and complain about small aches/feelings of stiffness everyday, not to mention an endurance loss.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: PAGrb490 on July 09, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
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Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 10:44:46 PM
I can't edit old posts, and those don't look like keloids. People tend to have the tendency to call hypertrophic scars (what those look like after scar revision) the same as if they were keloids. Keloids are a type of scarring only really prevalent in those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

Still, thank you for posting the pictures. You can't expect us all to believe someone who came here claiming he lengthened 11cm and is doing totally fine, specially now at over 40, and without seemingly any concrete proof at all. Most people here lengthened less and complain about small aches/feelings of stiffness everyday, not to mention an endurance loss.

Yes sorry they're not keloids, apologies for the confusion.  Maybe ask the mod to remove the vid?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 09, 2018, 10:47:40 PM
Endurance loss? Nope, can't relate to that either sorry. If anything I'd say my legs have gotten stronger. I'll post a YouTube vid soon
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: 0184946 on July 10, 2018, 02:06:31 AM
Very inspiring and strong of you to recover at that length especially since you got the surgery at 33 which is still young but not so much for a invasive procedure.  Dont let the haters get to you theyre paranoid from earlier troll accounts  and as said before glad yore enjoying tour new height   ;)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: lucindaris on July 10, 2018, 02:41:36 AM
@taller_in_Kiev
How much did you pay 14y ago for surgery? I know it sounds silly but around ~3 mln from Ukraine work in Poland which is also not a good country if it comes to salary even in IT. I need to do outsourcing IT stuff for Benelux countries to get good amount of money, otherwise I wouldnt be able to afford internal methods.

What is in your opinion safe limit for one segment?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 10, 2018, 09:40:53 AM
Very inspiring and strong of you to recover at that length especially since you got the surgery at 33 which is still young but not so much for a invasive procedure.  Dont let the haters get to you theyre paranoid from earlier troll accounts  and as said before glad yore enjoying tour new height   ;)

Thanks pal. I was 29 when I started ) about the haters, I don't.. and to be fair, I can understand how some reacted when I refused the request for scar photos. I wish everyone well here, whatever their goals. No point in wasting energy, especially mental energy, the highest form.  I have other challenges in my life currently. LL is way in the past for me, not something I think about anymore.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 10, 2018, 09:49:43 AM
@lucindaris
I paid around $25k back then. Current price with Dr Jamal is around $48k + apt stay, maid etc. Thats for a standard gain of 7-8cm. More info on his page. You're looking at around 50k give or take, which is half the cost of western docs like guichet, paley, betz and others. I am not entirely up to date on their pricing so correct me if I'm wrong. In my opinion, 7-8cm is the safe limit, achievable with minimal complications and good recovery.
Best of luck with your business.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: lucindaris on July 10, 2018, 01:14:52 PM
Thanks for the answer really appreciate that :)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: myloginacc on July 10, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
Yes sorry they're not keloids, apologies for the confusion.  Maybe ask the mod to remove the vid?

I apologize for my tone too.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 10, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
No worries pal. Still wish that vid could be removed )
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 11, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
Get inspired folks, life post LL is good :)

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Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 11, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
As stated in my other posts, anyone considering having the surgery with the good Dr Jamal in Kiev, I am happy to provide mentoring and support during your LL journey at no additional cost to you. While I am here of course.  Time for me to give back to the LL world.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: YellowSpike on July 12, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
Hey man - impressive lengthening! Your proportions don't look bad at all, considering you lengthened a crazy amount! I did 7cm, and I'm mostly happy with my proportions. All the women who've seen me nked have never commented (one just said "you have s*exy long legs" lol), and I've finally learned to squat with my long femurs (I have a certain stance I use, and weight lifting shoes that make my tibias "longer").

How was the recovery when you had the rods taken out? I'm having my rods out this fall (after almost 4 years having them - Dr. R thinks I should be fine to remove them at this point) and am a bit nervous. I think I'll be fine, but still a bit on my mind.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 12, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
Hey pal, thanks for the kind words. I was greedy, what can I say? I was only going to do this once. My inspiration was an older dude of around 50 who had attained 9cm with the same doctor/method. I figured if he could do 9, I should aim for 11 given I was 20 years younger.
If it's a trade off between being able to squat hundreds of pounds Vs being taller, I'd choose the latter anyway!
You've had rods 4 years?!! I only had mine for 2. There is a little bit of soreness to go through again as your body has been accustomed to the metal, but it should only last a few days. You'll be fine, and once removed you'll only get better and stronger with nothing foreign inside your bones. Hope it all goes well.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: YellowSpike on July 12, 2018, 02:51:48 PM
Hey pal, thanks for the kind words. I was greedy, what can I say? I was only going to do this once. My inspiration was an older dude of around 50 who had attained 9cm with the same doctor/method. I figured if he could do 9, I should aim for 11 given I was 20 years younger.
If it's a trade off between being able to squat hundreds of pounds Vs being taller, I'd choose the latter anyway!
You've had rods 4 years?!! I only had mine for 2. There is a little bit of soreness to go through again as your body has been accustomed to the metal, but it should only last a few days. You'll be fine, and once removed you'll only get better and stronger with nothing foreign inside your bones. Hope it all goes well.

I know exactly what you mean. I actually wanted to go for the full 8cm, but am actually now very happy I stopped at 7cm. My body was telling me it was time to stop, and my proportions I feel would have looked worse. They look fine now, especially because my quads and hamstrings are muscular again (I can deadlift 425 lbs and squat about 300 lbs now). But I agree on only wanting to have to go through this sh*t once. I was also in my very early 30s when I did this.

It will be 4 years this December! I kept them in because I had delayed consolidation on my left leg. I actually very narrowly avoided needing a bone graft. As of my last x-rays this past falls, both my legs are finally fully healed. I was going to remove them this past fall, but I changed jobs and had a lapse in insurance coverage as a result. So now looking at this fall (finally!). I'm a bit nervous (Dr. R says I have to wait a month to run or do weight training on my legs, which sucks a bit, but whatever), but excited to be rod free.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 12, 2018, 03:00:43 PM
I would say wait even longer. The rods would've been bearing some load and it seems you're a heavy lifter. Last thing you want is for your bone to give way and you shrink!! 
Take it real easy in the gym I would say. Don't go for too much, build up again, listen to your body
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: YellowSpike on July 12, 2018, 04:09:55 PM
I would say wait even longer. The rods would've been bearing some load and it seems you're a heavy lifter. Last thing you want is for your bone to give way and you shrink!! 
Take it real easy in the gym I would say. Don't go for too much, build up again, listen to your body

Oh yeah for sure, I will. I'll probably start fairly light weights after a month, see how that feels, then slowly rebuild to where I was.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 13, 2018, 07:54:03 AM
Have the spaces in your bones healed? Have you taken x-rays of your legs post rod removal? Can you please post them here?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 13, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
Yes all healed thanks God. Of course I had x-ray taken. I will take another soon, just a matter of finding time with Dr J, he's a busy man as you'll understand.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 13, 2018, 07:23:09 PM
Cool..plz post them here if/when you have one. Thanks!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 14, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
Cool..plz post them here if/when you have one. Thanks!
Taller_in_kiev post your x-rays man.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 14, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
Soon, worry not. I don't have access to the x-ray room myself!  In response to your request for a seated sideways photo:

 (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889423_IMG_20180714_121422.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889423/IMG_20180714_121422.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889424_IMG_20180714_121546.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889424/IMG_20180714_121546.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889425_IMG_20180714_124141.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889425/IMG_20180714_124141.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889426_IMG_20180714_124237.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889426/IMG_20180714_124237.jpg.html)

Remember, I am not denying I am out of proportion. Femur is longer of course, but it's a very acceptable trade-off for me. What matters is when you stand up. Of course, if I had done less, say 7 or 8cm it would be less obvious.

More photos standing up here:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9023.0 
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on July 14, 2018, 10:50:58 AM
Soon, worry not. I don't have access to the x-ray room myself!  In response to your request for a seated sideways photo:

 (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889423_IMG_20180714_121422.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889423/IMG_20180714_121422.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889424_IMG_20180714_121546.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889424/IMG_20180714_121546.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889425_IMG_20180714_124141.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889425/IMG_20180714_124141.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38889426_IMG_20180714_124237.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38889426/IMG_20180714_124237.jpg.html)

Remember, I am not denying I am out of proportion. Femur is longer of course, but it's a very acceptable trade-off for me. What matters is when you stand up. Of course, if I had done less, say 7 or 8cm it would be less obvious.

More photos standing up here:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9023.0

Thanks man a lot!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 25, 2018, 02:28:16 PM
Just a quick update. I promised x rays and vids showing running and weights in gym. Slight delay due to logistics but coming soon.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: totallyred on August 01, 2018, 01:17:45 PM
Just a quick update. I promised x rays and vids showing running and weights in gym. Slight delay due to logistics but coming soon.
Hope you keep up the promise. As many potential LLers would be eagerly waiting for the same. Tia
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: JohnOdin on August 03, 2018, 11:17:41 PM
hey taller in kiev, can I ask what is your wingspan ? you look great in your photos of standing up, but sitting down definitely looks a little off
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 06, 2018, 11:30:20 AM
Hi folks, just discovered that Dr Jamal had kept some old photos of mine (including a before/pre LL pic) plus some xrays. Have a look at the link below.

http://www.correction.kiev.ua/news/patient5.htm

I shot some clips in the gym yesterday, will post to youtube soon and publish links.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Messenger on August 06, 2018, 06:15:45 PM
Thanks for the detailed responses.
What did you do to prepare for the surgery?
Can you list it out as im planning on getting surgery in October 2018 and I haven’t done anything to prepare physically.

I do take my vitamins, but that is all currently.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 07, 2018, 08:31:47 PM
Eat well, cut out all junk. Go to gym, mix of cardio and resistance training. Don't do squats or deadlift. Stretch, stretch and stretch.
Where are you getting your surgery done?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Messenger on August 07, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
I’m going to to go Paley which is expensive but I just want to be in the best hands as possible.  So I shouldn’t deadlift or squat?  My legs are pretty weak compared to my upper body so I was thinking of actually upping the squats and deadlifts prior to surgery
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Valiant on August 08, 2018, 01:33:29 AM
Hi folks, just discovered that Dr Jamal had kept some old photos of mine (including a before/pre LL pic) plus some xrays. Have a look at the link below.

http://www.correction.kiev.ua/news/patient5.htm

I shot some clips in the gym yesterday, will post to youtube soon and publish links.

The photo where you're squating on the ground, that's post LL I presume, judging by small scar on the your thigh?. Your femurs don't look too long at all.  Appears proportional.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 08, 2018, 05:39:47 PM
I’m going to to go Paley which is expensive but I just want to be in the best hands as possible.  So I shouldn’t deadlift or squat?  My legs are pretty weak compared to my upper body so I was thinking of actually upping the squats and deadlifts prior to surgery

If your legs are fairly weak, then go for it, but not too heavy. You want to be lean and flexible, not too bulky.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 08, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
Yes of course, post LL. I myself know I am a little out of proportion, but it really doesn't bother me and nobody has ever noticed it or pointed it out, unless I tell them, in which case, they look for it!

I just uploaded all my gym clips to youtube. I will post links here and also create a new thread with the vids embedded.

Free standing squats:
https://youtu.be/wVUjkL5zovI

Inversion and ab crunches:
https://youtu.be/bCbotZham9Q

Hamstring curl:
https://youtu.be/xtM6bu6xHVg

Leg curl:
https://youtu.be/mniZ54Jjjlo

Leg press:
https://youtu.be/alRHwFVgyc4

Hip adduction:
https://youtu.be/Vb7hTzJGpC0

10 minute jog:
https://youtu.be/z_iimNO3Mg0

Scars:
https://youtu.be/0IdErNW7coE
Title: LL veteran leg exercise videos - 4 inch gain on femurs with Dr Jamal 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 08, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
Hi all, sorry it has taken a while. There were some logistical challenges. The gym management would only allow filming if it was done discreetly by another gym member and only shot with your phone! A local Ukrainian chap was kind enough to help me, he gave it his best shot at the first attempt, so here goes:

Squats:
https://youtu.be/wVUjkL5zovI


Inversion and ab crunches:
https://youtu.be/bCbotZham9Q


Leg curl:
https://youtu.be/mniZ54Jjjlo


Leg press:
https://youtu.be/alRHwFVgyc4


Hamstring curl
https://youtu.be/xtM6bu6xHVg


Hip adduction:
https://youtu.be/Vb7hTzJGpC0


10 minute jog:
https://youtu.be/z_iimNO3Mg0


Scars:
https://youtu.be/0IdErNW7coE

As a reminder, I gained just over 4 inches on my femurs back in 2004 with Drs Dragan (RIP) and Jamal.
Title: Re: LL veteran leg exercise videos - 4 inch gain on femurs with Dr Jamal 2004
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on August 09, 2018, 08:04:58 AM
Thank you for sharing These fantastic videos.
Title: Re: LL veteran leg exercise videos - 4 inch gain on femurs with Dr Jamal 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 09, 2018, 10:43:37 AM
You're welcome pal. I am surprised with all the LL veterans out there, there aren't more vids.
Title: Re: LL veteran leg exercise videos - 4 inch gain on femurs with Dr Jamal 2004
Post by: Valiant on August 09, 2018, 11:35:46 AM
Thanks for the videos. 

Do you ever do any barbell squats or deadlifts?

Title: Re: LL veteran leg exercise videos - 4 inch gain on femurs with Dr Jamal 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 09, 2018, 11:57:55 AM
Dead lifts never, not even pre LL, was never a fan. Barbel squats, yes, but prefer with a smith machine these days
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: OverrideYourGenetics on August 11, 2018, 08:59:18 PM
By the way, if you are considering LL, unless you are very close with your family and you think they would understand if you told them, it is best not to tell anyone at all!

I told pretty much everyone I cared to have a conversation with, and everything was fine. One friend of a friend judged me, two coworkers made fun but had no real problem with it (later told others I was a badass), and most everyone else was like "Ok, cool".

Those matter don't mind, and those who mind, don't matter. (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5215.msg81684#msg81684)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: MirinHeight on August 14, 2018, 04:57:43 PM
What is your wingspan @taller_in_kiev
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Hamiltonzac on August 15, 2018, 06:29:43 AM
Taller in kiev, what is your sitting height?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Hamiltonzac on August 15, 2018, 06:34:26 AM
Oh man, you shut so many people up. A lot were saying if you do 11cm your crippled and that there is no one here with evidence. All I can say is you became my inspiration for my LL procedure I'm doing next year. Your looking good and fit.
Cheers from Georgia!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 15, 2018, 07:28:53 AM
@MirinHeight 177cm

@Hamiltonzac thank you so much pal, nice to hear something positive for a change! That's really all I came here for, to inspire and motivate, but lots of trolls and people with hidden agendas on these forums.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on August 20, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
Today I met up with Dr J and Rocky, we went to take some CT scans. Rocky was looking good, healthy, almost at the end of his lengthening phase.
The scans were taken at a private clinic called Eurolabs, very modern, seemed quite new, English speaking staff. Definitely not around during my LL time. You can look at some google photos of the place here:

https://goo.gl/LGmY59

I also took the liberty of taking some snaps inside, namely, the waiting room and scanning room.  That's Dr J in the background of the last photo.

 (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39194759_IMG_20180820_134734.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39194759/IMG_20180820_134734.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39194760_IMG_20180820_134738.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39194760/IMG_20180820_134738.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39194761_IMG_20180820_140220.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39194761/IMG_20180820_140220.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39194762_IMG_20180820_140230.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39194762/IMG_20180820_140230.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39194763_IMG_20180820_140405.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39194763/IMG_20180820_140405.jpg.html)

My CT scan coming soon.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: noone on September 03, 2018, 10:48:09 PM
hi there
how about your arms? are your arms look like shorter tjam before? if yes, do people notice that?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on September 09, 2018, 02:09:43 PM
Arms are fine thanks, no body has ever noticed anything.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on September 09, 2018, 02:11:38 PM
Here we are finally (complete with an outline of my schlong lol), unfortunately they're only photos of a computer screen, but you get the idea...

 (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313259_IMG-20180907-WA0000.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313259/IMG-20180907-WA0000.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313260_IMG-20180907-WA0001.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313260/IMG-20180907-WA0001.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313261_IMG-20180907-WA0002.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313261/IMG-20180907-WA0002.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313262_IMG-20180907-WA0003.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313262/IMG-20180907-WA0003.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313263_IMG-20180907-WA0004.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313263/IMG-20180907-WA0004.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313264_IMG-20180907-WA0005.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313264/IMG-20180907-WA0005.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313265_IMG-20180908-WA0000.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313265/IMG-20180908-WA0000.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313266_IMG-20180908-WA0001.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313266/IMG-20180908-WA0001.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313267_IMG-20180908-WA0002.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313267/IMG-20180908-WA0002.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313268_IMG-20180908-WA0003.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313268/IMG-20180908-WA0003.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: YungGud on September 18, 2018, 11:52:33 AM
Can you answer one  question ,so your pre LL height was 171 ?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on September 18, 2018, 12:09:59 PM
Haven't I answered that previously? Isn't it in my sig?
Yes around that)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: 6'2_dream on September 18, 2018, 05:01:37 PM

Hello Friend
Your femur looks very well.
It is a pity that there is no medical reference to see the total length of your femur in centimeters per curiosity, in my case I have a short femur also in relation to the proportion I could probably reach in 10cm and looking normal, logically if my bears accept that stretch
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on September 18, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
Hello Friend
Your femur looks very well.
It is a pity that there is no medical reference to see the total length of your femur in centimeters per curiosity, in my case I have a short femur also in relation to the proportion I could probably reach in 10cm and looking normal, logically if my bears accept that stretch

Thanks friend, I will see if I can get the proper files from Dr Jamal, they should have the data. But let me tell you something, my femurs are long now, very long, about the size of a 6'3 guy!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: YungGud on September 18, 2018, 10:31:15 PM
DO you feel tall enough at 182?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on September 19, 2018, 07:44:47 AM
Yes, though not when standing next to dudes 6'4+ )
I might have to do tibias not for the extra height, but just to even things out a bit.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: 6'2_dream on September 20, 2018, 02:25:42 PM
Good morning, my friend, I put the measurements on your x-ray, I considered the lateral marking with centimeters and I used this reference, if everything is right, your femur is about 55cm which makes a lot of sense, which indicates that you had before the femur LL 44cm which is within the standard for 1.71m pre-LL height.

https://imgur.com/a/8BHm1nq
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on September 23, 2018, 12:30:15 PM
Wow thanks so much for that, very helpful of you)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Johnson1111 on October 01, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
How is your athleticism compared to before? Are you severely worse off?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on October 05, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
How is your athleticism compared to before? Are you severely worse off?

I'm severely better off)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: montahn on October 22, 2018, 07:25:41 AM
Did you walk normal now? Do people notice that you have surgery? any posture problem while walking ??
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Hamiltonzac on November 04, 2018, 07:02:55 AM
Does your bone by your ass get bigger? Like the ass itself. Since the bone is groing I would assume tour ass would too?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: deaddog on November 17, 2018, 04:03:37 PM
Hi taller_in_Kiev, Thank you so much for your diary!

I just wanted to ask why the x-ray tech did not cover your "schlong" with an x-ray shield? Gonadal shielding is one of the most basic precautions when having x-rays, particularly a CT scan which are aprox 1000 times more powerful than a standard x-ray!

If it was me and I was unaware of the standard precautions that "ALL" Radiologic Technologists learn and have drilled into their brain during school...I would be pissed that they did not care enough or have enough basic professionalism as to make sure to protect my gonads from such powerful and unnecessary radiation exposure (ALARA)!!!

P.S. It appears that Dr. Jamal was right there in the CT scanning room when you were having your scans, so why would he not make sure that your/his patient's gonads were shielded/protected??? It is a reasonable expectation from any/all so-called medical professionals!!!

That seemingly small mistake would steer me away from ever considering Dr. Jamal for CLL!!

Sorry, but you are paying for a service and this is what I gathered from this particular alarming post! Please correct me if I am wrong...

Kind regards and thank you very much again for your diary!

Here we are finally (complete with an outline of my schlong lol), unfortunately they're only photos of a computer screen, but you get the idea...

 (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313259_IMG-20180907-WA0000.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313259/IMG-20180907-WA0000.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313260_IMG-20180907-WA0001.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313260/IMG-20180907-WA0001.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313261_IMG-20180907-WA0002.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313261/IMG-20180907-WA0002.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313262_IMG-20180907-WA0003.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313262/IMG-20180907-WA0003.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313263_IMG-20180907-WA0004.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313263/IMG-20180907-WA0004.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313264_IMG-20180907-WA0005.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313264/IMG-20180907-WA0005.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313265_IMG-20180908-WA0000.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313265/IMG-20180908-WA0000.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313266_IMG-20180908-WA0001.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313266/IMG-20180908-WA0001.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313267_IMG-20180908-WA0002.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313267/IMG-20180908-WA0002.jpg.html) (https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39313268_IMG-20180908-WA0003.jpg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39313268/IMG-20180908-WA0003.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: tlannister on November 17, 2018, 04:19:51 PM


I just wanted to ask why the x-ray tech did not cover your "schlong" with an x-ray shield? Gonadal shielding is one of the most basic precautions when having x-rays, particularly a CT scan which are aprox 1000 times more powerful than a standard x-ray!


taller_in_kiev takes it up the ass, so he doesnt need his d!ck
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: deaddog on November 17, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
taller_in_kiev takes it up the ass, so he doesnt need his d!ck

@tlannister... I come to this great forum to find helpful and informative posts on CLL and I greatly appreciate everyone who is kind enough to share their experience here...

Please do not post further unhelpful and unwelcome comments here! Thank you for understanding!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Hamiltonzac on December 07, 2018, 06:22:15 PM
taller_in_kiev takes it up the ass, so he doesnt need his d!ck

Dude, I see you everywhere, with those contagious comments lol
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on December 10, 2018, 09:14:14 PM
Hi taller_in_Kiev, Thank you so much for your diary!

I just wanted to ask why the x-ray tech did not cover your "schlong" with an x-ray shield? Gonadal shielding is one of the most basic precautions when having x-rays, particularly a CT scan which are aprox 1000 times more powerful than a standard x-ray!

If it was me and I was unaware of the standard precautions that "ALL" Radiologic Technologists learn and have drilled into their brain during school...I would be pissed that they did not care enough or have enough basic professionalism as to make sure to protect my gonads from such powerful and unnecessary radiation exposure (ALARA)!!!

P.S. It appears that Dr. Jamal was right there in the CT scanning room when you were having your scans, so why would he not make sure that your/his patient's gonads were shielded/protected??? It is a reasonable expectation from any/all so-called medical professionals!!!


1000 times more powerful than an xray??! What total nonsense! One CT scan doesn't do you any harm.  And no shielding cos my crown jewels must be immune to radiation I guess.  Trust me, if shielding was required, I'd have been shielded. 
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on December 10, 2018, 09:21:51 PM
taller_in_kiev takes it up the ass, so he doesnt need his d!ck

I haven't checked in here for a while. LL isn't something I think about anymore, thank God.  But lol tlannister, that's a cheap shot!  it's easy to hide behind an anonymous forum name, I doubt you could speak to me in the same way. Regardless your comments are like tin arrows aimed at a battleship, they have NO effect whatsoever and I am not going to get dragged down to your level, in both senses of the word.
However, you're still welcome to visit Kiev anytime. Dr J has a special treat waiting for you, bring your own vaseline if you like)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: jyhtha on January 03, 2019, 05:23:18 PM
Hi taller_in_Kiev. Awesome diary. What is your tibia length?
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on January 07, 2019, 11:06:38 AM
Just measured it, so from the ground to the 90 degree bend of the knee in a seated position is around 54cm or 21 inches.   
I will ideally like to lengthen my tibs by about 5cm, but it is not a priority for now.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: StrangeDays67 on April 03, 2019, 02:30:23 AM
What is your current inseam? I don't see why you want to lengthen the tibia, proportions look fine in clothes (No idea what you look like nked though )
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Astronomy on May 09, 2019, 03:35:26 AM
I just finished browsing your thread.Now I'm bursting out my enthusiasm for LL!!!
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Gman23 on December 25, 2019, 08:54:40 PM
Hi , how much did the surgery cost you and was it a single surgery only on the femurs or was it on the tibia aswell.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: TemakiSushi on December 26, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
talker in Kiev is not a veteran of Jamal
Jamal is famous for producing non union cases
Be careful with this shill
Jamal nail is quite expensive anyways
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: Kal el on March 16, 2020, 02:58:22 AM
Hi..taller in kiev..i think you got me the inspiration for my CLL....thank you beyond words..and as a matter of fact i am exactly you..wingspan-178cm and height-170.5cm....wish me luck for my CLL bro..i am 22 right now..hoping to do it at 28...thanks a lot again.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 10, 2021, 09:21:30 PM
No shill here. Veteran of Dr Jamal and Dr Dragan(RIP)
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: taller_in_Kiev on July 10, 2021, 09:23:18 PM
Hi..taller in kiev..i think you got me the inspiration for my CLL....thank you beyond words..and as a matter of fact i am exactly you..wingspan-178cm and height-170.5cm....wish me luck for my CLL bro..i am 22 right now..hoping to do it at 28...thanks a lot again.

You are welcome)and hope all goes well for you if you did go ahead with it of course.
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: TinyTL on July 12, 2021, 07:10:13 PM

WARNING: Read ROCKYs diary. The surgeon (abu Jamal Al-nemer) that taller_in_kiev is advertising for makes his rods in car spare parts manufactorer. Rocky is in wheelchair for 3 years. many other patients crippled.
we need to find taller_in_kiev identity and hold him responsible for marketing this fake surgeon.


this is what rocky said about Jamal
Dears,

I will try to answer your questions the best I can.

He manufactures his nails at a car spare parts factory and he pays the engineer there pennies to do so. Very poor materials quality. He has also been manufacturing his devices at cheap factories in Bangladesh and Pakistan but he stopped doing so, because the devices kept failing. I discovered that very late.

He never uses a monitor during the surgery, so he has in several occasions drilled screws in the wrong places. We have discovered a single time, where he drilled the lower screw few mm below the nail. So basically the nail was loose at one end. We discovered that during the X-Ray couple of weeks after the surgery. He didn't want to admit it to begin with and talked around the topic. We had to do another surgery to put the screw in its place, so it could hold the loose end of the nail.

He was panicking because he kept repeating the surgeries and replacing the nails multiple times. We ended up with more mistakes. He ended up losing focus and doing more mistakes. At one point he had tighten one of the screws too much. He told me that if the bones consolidate, he will have hard time removing it. So we had to do another surgery, so he could loosen the screw... I can keep going on...

Be also aware, that he utilizes his 2 students daughters to operate during the surgeries. One of his daughters is underaged. I discovered this accidentally by one of the nurses too.

He uses Lidocaine (local anesthesia) during his surgeries, because doctors get it either for free or for a small fee when they rent the surgery rooms in Ukraine.

When you sleep during the surgery, you will experience that you will wake up multiple times. If they are slow to give you the injection, you will start screaming of pain. I have confronted him with that but I was unsure if I was dreaming or if it was real. He kept saying that it was illusions, until one of the nurses told me the truth.

To make matters even worse. It turned out that he has no clinic and he is not a certified doctor in Ukraine. He bought his diploma in 2011.

If you ever get the chance to visit Ukraine, try to chase his 'clinic' address. It doesn't exist. There is no clinic!

Medical centre BONAMED
Chervonozorianyi prospect, 17, Kiev, Ukraine


http://www.correction.kiev.ua/index.htm (http://www.correction.kiev.ua/index.htm)

He has hired some Russian dude to answer any email request going to the official email: onex@ukrpack.net

Because he simply can't read or write properly in English, Russian and doesn't know Ukrainian at all. He can't even write any medical report by himself. I wonder how he graduated from University.

If you can speak Russian or Ukrainian, try to have a normal and simple conversation with him over the phone and you will discover wonders by yourself.

Check his University Diploma and judge for yourself (It says Doctor of Philosophy)…

http://www.correction.kiev.ua/bonamed/phd-cert.jpg (http://www.correction.kiev.ua/bonamed/phd-cert.jpg)

I promised my wife to move on and not talk about this topic, but I couldn't help myself when I logged in and I saw your questions...
Title: Re: 11cm on femurs internal Bliskunov with Drs Dragan and Jamal in Kiev in 2004
Post by: edencorvo on December 07, 2021, 05:16:53 PM
what the hell is this horror story? damnn