Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: cheekycabs on October 31, 2018, 08:19:39 PM
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Summary
Age: 33/M/Canada
Starting height: 165 cm or 5 ft 5 in
Finishing height: 172 cm or 5 ft 7 in
Method: External Ilizarov
Country: Azerbaijan
Doctor: Dr. Bagirov / Dr. Babek
Duration: 5 days hospital, and then back home
September 27 - Surgery Day. No complications, the spinal block freaked me out and the sound of power tools and hammers. Stayed in the hospital 3 days, wasn't able to walk really. Sat up in bed and did knee motions, but that was all that I could handle.
October 1 - Sent home and was recovering on my own then. My girlfriend was helping me change bandages and go to the bathroom, I was just recovering, no motion or walking, just resting. I'm getting most of the information second hand as I don't speak the language and my girlfriend is relaying it. Had a small bit of bed sores, but nothing serious.
October 7 - First day doing lengthening, prescribed by the doctor to do quantity x 8 90 degree turns (apparently 2mm) for the first 2 days. Even today I am confused with the sizes, so on a #10 bolt, 2 notches would be a 90 degrees... I'll try and post a picture. Crazy painful. Was prescribed a trauma painkiller, various mineral pills, relaxation pills, was having a lot of issues sleeping at night. Feet were swelling.
October 17 - About 10 days into lengthening, and with the right combination of pain killers, I am able to walk. Was completely freaked out when my left ankle burst into about a cup of blood on the floor, it was swollen beforehand, so I had elevated it. My wounds look pretty gruesome, but the doctor has said it's not infected, I'm not sure I believe it.
October 23 - Finally seeing some good progress. Stretching a lot in bed when I can, working out with weights in bed, then taking a shot of painkillers and doing some walking with a walker. Even able to go up and down stairs! Went to the city and walked 600m in 2 hours, felt great to get out.
October 30 - Strangely tweaked my ankle some how, and it's been shooting pain and ruined my day completely. Wasn't able to sleep, had to take an injection, put me out of commission for at least 2 days, maybe more. My ankle is really, really numb and I'm not sure what to do now. I try walking on it but it feels like it's on fire.
So, all in all I'm a bit unsure. My left ankle may possibly be infected. My right ankle was tweaked from walking, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. I'm trying to do as much physiotherapy as possible, doing toe touches in bed to stretch my achilles. Sometimes a stiff breeze shoots pain into it. Also, I get some weird nerve tweaks in my ankles that just come up randomly.
Hopefully there's someone out there who's doing the same, and we can talk about it. Some days it's boring boring! First x-ray will be in a few days, I hope someone can tell me how much I've lengthened. It feels like 1.2cm, as I've done about 60 turns at 0.25mm a 90 degree bolt turn.
Not sure if these are infected...
https://imgur.com/nsks3i4
https://imgur.com/5K7Fj8C
(https://i.imgur.com/nsks3i4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5K7Fj8C.jpg)
I'm turning this bolt 2 red markers 3 times a day. So when the red marker crosses twice, this is 90 degrees. I'll try 3 turns each day, 0.75mm, but I'm not entirely sure if it's right.
https://imgur.com/AQKQUOW
(https://i.imgur.com/AQKQUOW.jpg)
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they are infected and you need antibiotics as soon as possible. You should not lengthen if a doctor is not near by to monitor everything...
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You're sure about it? I have no problems walking on it, no pain specifically on that point either... The doctor has said to use just an antibiotic cream but no pills yet.
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if you have cream then it is ok. Follow your doctors recommendation.
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Wow i think you are running lot of risks, i recomend you to do some xray to check if everything is ok.
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Could you elaborate which risks you think are mostly crucial? I'm always up for constructive criticism. My xray should be in the next few days, and I will definitely post it here.
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Im not an expert, but leave hospital just 3 days after surgery...risks are high also, you are in Canadá and your doctor in Rusia, i mean if something happens (hope not) you are far away from him
Of course im not blaming you, just pointing something.
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I'm in Baku, Azerbaijan. I'm originally from Canada, but I live in Baku. I can go to the hospital tomorrow if I wanted... I'm not in the hospital but the doctor has said I can leave after a few days, and just check in with problems. I am staying at my own apartment doing lengthening and recovering.
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My right ankle is really painful, as I can barely walk on it. Made it about 2 meters before having to quit.
I have a feeling it may be a sprain/muscle tear, but I am not sure how to tell. One thing for sure, is it is always painful, lying down or not. I couldn't sleep with it.
I had a sudden shock on my ankle 2 days ago when going up some stairs, so I feel that could be it. So, I asked my doctor about taking pill antibiotics, he's told me that I don't need to use it unless I have a fever.
Right now my ankle is just elevated and iced, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed this fixes it. Can anyone offer advice?
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Summary
Age: 33/M/Canada
Starting height: 165 cm or 5 ft 5 in
Finishing height: 172 cm or 5 ft 7 in
Method: External Ilizarov
Country: Azerbaijan
Doctor: Dr. Bagirov / Dr. Babek
Duration: 5 days hospital, and then back home
September 27 - Surgery Day. No complications, the spinal block freaked me out and the sound of power tools and hammers. Stayed in the hospital 3 days, wasn't able to walk really. Sat up in bed and did knee motions, but that was all that I could handle.
October 1 - Sent home and was recovering on my own then. My girlfriend was helping me change bandages and go to the bathroom, I was just recovering, no motion or walking, just resting. I'm getting most of the information second hand as I don't speak the language and my girlfriend is relaying it. Had a small bit of bed sores, but nothing serious.
October 7 - First day doing lengthening, prescribed by the doctor to do quantity x 8 90 degree turns (apparently 2mm) for the first 2 days. Even today I am confused with the sizes, so on a #10 bolt, 2 notches would be a 90 degrees... I'll try and post a picture. Crazy painful. Was prescribed a trauma painkiller, various mineral pills, relaxation pills, was having a lot of issues sleeping at night. Feet were swelling.
October 17 - About 10 days into lengthening, and with the right combination of pain killers, I am able to walk. Was completely freaked out when my left ankle burst into about a cup of blood on the floor, it was swollen beforehand, so I had elevated it. My wounds look pretty gruesome, but the doctor has said it's not infected, I'm not sure I believe it.
October 23 - Finally seeing some good progress. Stretching a lot in bed when I can, working out with weights in bed, then taking a shot of painkillers and doing some walking with a walker. Even able to go up and down stairs! Went to the city and walked 600m in 2 hours, felt great to get out.
October 30 - Strangely tweaked my ankle some how, and it's been shooting pain and ruined my day completely. Wasn't able to sleep, had to take an injection, put me out of commission for at least 2 days, maybe more. My ankle is really, really numb and I'm not sure what to do now. I try walking on it but it feels like it's on fire.
So, all in all I'm a bit unsure. My left ankle may possibly be infected. My right ankle was tweaked from walking, and I'm not sure how to deal with it. I'm trying to do as much physiotherapy as possible, doing toe touches in bed to stretch my achilles. Sometimes a stiff breeze shoots pain into it. Also, I get some weird nerve tweaks in my ankles that just come up randomly.
Hopefully there's someone out there who's doing the same, and we can talk about it. Some days it's boring boring! First x-ray will be in a few days, I hope someone can tell me how much I've lengthened. It feels like 1.2cm, as I've done about 60 turns at 0.25mm a 90 degree bolt turn.
Not sure if these are infected...
https://imgur.com/nsks3i4
https://imgur.com/5K7Fj8C
(https://i.imgur.com/nsks3i4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5K7Fj8C.jpg)
I'm turning this bolt 2 red markers 3 times a day. So when the red marker crosses twice, this is 90 degrees. I'll try 3 turns each day, 0.75mm, but I'm not entirely sure if it's right.
https://imgur.com/AQKQUOW
(https://i.imgur.com/AQKQUOW.jpg)
I had similar issues too...if it hurts a lot and the pins move slightly or hurt when you move the pins, then it is infected. The skin around it becomes soft. although you wont require antibiotics till its red or in a different colour and you have fever, but I took augmentin D 1000mg ,thrice a day which was okay.
I had similar situation when I had ATL. it was gone just after a second(literally) after the pins were removed. But the doctor said taking painkilers were not needed. However avoid weight bearing :)
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You're sure about it? I have no problems walking on it, no pain specifically on that point either... The doctor has said to use just an antibiotic cream but no pills yet.
If no pain, the doctor is right..you dont require antibiotics. Also dont abuse antibiotics coz eventually the bacteria could become immune to it and later if you are at a point where antibiotic is needed, the bacteria could be immune
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I'm in Baku, Azerbaijan. I'm originally from Canada, but I live in Baku. I can go to the hospital tomorrow if I wanted... I'm not in the hospital but the doctor has said I can leave after a few days, and just check in with problems. I am staying at my own apartment doing lengthening and recovering.
I was in similar situation where i returned back to my country in a week and i joined work too within 10-11 days post op :) Dont bother much, be careful but its easily managable! good luck :)
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My right ankle is really painful, as I can barely walk on it. Made it about 2 meters before having to quit.
I have a feeling it may be a sprain/muscle tear, but I am not sure how to tell. One thing for sure, is it is always painful, lying down or not. I couldn't sleep with it.
I had a sudden shock on my ankle 2 days ago when going up some stairs, so I feel that could be it. So, I asked my doctor about taking pill antibiotics, he's told me that I don't need to use it unless I have a fever.
Right now my ankle is just elevated and iced, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed this fixes it. Can anyone offer advice?
Just lie down. avoid weight bearing till you goto the washroom. I dint have anything at the ankles. I had 2 screws on my feet that too for a month post ATL. So I can relate. is doctor going to eventually remove the screws at ankles soon?
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Not soon, maybe months. I've put antibiotic cream on the open wounds. I've also put a compress on my foot to cut the swelling.
I am almost convinced it's a sprain, but I don't know how to help it either. I'm just in bed, on painkillers and it's still nagging. I tried elevating it and it hurts. I'd say the pain is 6/10 annoying, not enough to scream but enough to keep you awake.
Really out of ideas. Which is sad because 2 days ago I was really progressing well. Walking in the city and going up and down stairs. Now I Can't take 4 steps.
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Which is sad because 2 days ago I was really progressing well. Walking in the city and going up and down stairs. Now I Can't take 4 steps.
it was the exact same for me bro, i could cycle/use the elliptical, walk 4-5km almost with no pain. Most of it, even 2 weeks post ATL. But just in 2 days, I was bedridden :/. Stay strong buddy!
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For sure it doesn't hurt if I wiggle the pins, no pain at all. However, there is yellow discharge draining from the wound pretty consistently. I've tried asking my friend who's a nurse, but she' said it's 50/50. No fever yet, so I will keep consistent on just cleaning it with water and draining it/changing the bandages.
Thanks a lot man!
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Infection can get worsen drastically and suddenly
Worst thing you can get is deep infections which reaches to inside of your bone.
Why not go to see a doctor ASAP especially before this weekend
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So, I showed the doctor, and he says it's not infected, it's just new skin forming...?
Really losing my faith in Russian doctors. I mean, just give me some sort of answer to say you care.
Is there anyone who can help me out? Please someone tell me this is normal...
Right ankle. Apparently new skin. Just a bit smaller than a dime.
(https://i.imgur.com/BQq0Kwi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MuxMAzX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ahz2lVW.jpg)
Left ankle.
(https://i.imgur.com/LifyACZ.jpg)
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Also the maintenance/cleaning is so random. Some days he says don't put antibiotic, some days he says just clean with soap and water. Physically touching/wiggling the pins doesn't hurt.
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if I had like this my doctor would tell me to take antibiotics. Personally I would take them for 5 days and see if they help. Also my doctor told me to change my dressing only once a week because blood and crust closes the wound and prevents bacteria from getting in and causing the infection.
Im 99% sure this is a proper infection...
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So you weren't cleaning/changing dressing every day? Most days I've been using betadine and alcohol on my pin points and putting gauze
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WTF? alcohol ? Jesus. Alcohol is too strong and kills natural bacteria allowing more infection.
https://www.rnoh.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/patient/16-23_rnoh_revision_13-176_rnoh_a5_pg_16_pin_site_care_web_release.pdf
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Okay, going to just wash it out with saline and bandage. Picking up some penecillin pills now.
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First X-Rays! Doctor says that everything is aligned well, but need to speed up my turns as it's close to consolidating. Photo 5 kind of worries me. I hate to say I don't fully trust my doctor, but of course I'm open to opinions if anyone sees anything weird...
(https://i.imgur.com/cgOoBzV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8Ofl0St.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qcl0tZ7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cw4Lyqd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ucywMLA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oIL65DJ.jpg)
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he is right , dont take any supplements with vitamin d or calcium and go faster. The bones are bridging.
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This experience has really shown how little of a response I'm getting from this place. The doctor hasn't specified how many turns I need to do, but just turn faster. My schedule says to do 2 turns (.5mm) so faster means 3? Can you advise? And no mention of holding off the vitamins... but I will take your advice on that too.
It was quite funny, both doctors almost deliberately avoided talking to me today as I visited the clinic, both had more important things to do. Just hard to get any kind of answer from these guys.
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They really were just happy to say "yes it's aligned, go home" and have me go on my way.
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They really were just happy to say "yes it's aligned, go home" and have me go on my way.
This seems concerning. I hope you see some relief. Can you go back to your home country or even America and get care there? You don't have to pay for your surgery again, so it won't be very expensive.
It's better than having to deal with doctors who don't care.
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I live in the city that I did my surgery, Baku Azerbaijan. I am very far from any kind of western medical health care...
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Your antibiotics will kill 'friendly' bacteria as will the alcohol. That is nothing to overly worry about.
If you think you have an infection you could try and get a sample of the infected area and get a lab to culture it for type of bacteria and sensitivity.
Your personal details look like they might be on those x-rays, don't know if you knew that
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I live in the city that I did my surgery, Baku Azerbaijan. I am very far from any kind of western medical health care...
But you have written Canada in the opening post
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This experience has really shown how little of a response I'm getting from this place. The doctor hasn't specified how many turns I need to do, but just turn faster. My schedule says to do 2 turns (.5mm) so faster means 3? Can you advise? And no mention of holding off the vitamins... but I will take your advice on that too.
It was quite funny, both doctors almost deliberately avoided talking to me today as I visited the clinic, both had more important things to do. Just hard to get any kind of answer from these guys.
lol I was doing 1 mm everyday up to 5 cm. 0.5 mm is definitely too slow. In your case at least 1 mm if not more or you bones will fuse.
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Your antibiotics will kill 'friendly' bacteria as will the alcohol. That is nothing to overly worry about.
If you think you have an infection you could try and get a sample of the infected area and get a lab to culture it for type of bacteria and sensitivity.
Your personal details look like they might be on those x-rays, don't know if you knew that
I don't mind at all, besides they spelled my name wrong, haha.
I took the safe bet as my doctor literally won't give any answers, so I'm doing 5 days of amoxillan. One of the cuts looks really pus filled so I won't take the chance.
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lol I was doing 1 mm everyday up to 5 cm. 0.5 mm is definitely too slow. In your case at least 1 mm if not more or you bones will fuse.
Thanks for the heads up. Yes I'm doing 2 turns every 6 hours now religiously, going to stop vitamins for a week and then get back on it. I really appreciate your input man. A solid community really means a lot when your doctor barely talks to you. Did you do Ilizarov tibias as well?
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But you have written Canada in the opening post
I'm originally from Canada, but I live in Baku now. I'm pretty sure no one in Canada would do this procedure.
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Thanks for the heads up. Yes I'm doing 2 turns every 6 hours now religiously, going to stop vitamins for a week and then get back on it. I really appreciate your input man. A solid community really means a lot when your doctor barely talks to you. Did you do Ilizarov tibias as well?
yep, in 2016. Im looking at those xrays and to me they look fused. I hope your doc knows what he is doing. If I was you I would go for 1.5mm for 2 weeks. Just to be safe. There is no way you could have non union with that much callus.
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I wonder if there would be a way to know if you're lengthening and your bones are already fused... catastrophic pain? :-\
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no idea but you should speed up considerably, 1.5 mm seems ok for you.
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Ur Dr must guide you through the lengthening spped , as he is the one who can examine ur xray correctly, in Russia they tends to make u lengthen faster in the first days until ur first xray then they will see ur regeneration and advise. But u have to know that lengthening very fast will make ur soft tissues suffer and will increase ur recovery. I was doing 1 mm per day and I regret that i wish i was slower.
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After a good week of progress I've hit another road block. Took a full shower as I really havent had one since the surgery. I didnt cover my pin points and rinsed them out thinking it would be fine. 1 day after the pain is really bad, at my pin points all the way into my tibias, really having issues sleeping. Definitely made a mistake there, was reading that I didn't need to over it up, really paying for it now.
I also put a tiny bit of antibiotic cream on each pin point, maybe that could be it? So much info is all over the place with keeping wounds clean. Alcohol, no alcohol, antibiotic cream, soap and water... etc etc.
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just take oral antibiotics u'l be fine. infection is always temporary focus on the bone and soft tissue recovery. thts wat is important.
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dont touch those fki n pins... cover them well and clean them very carefully once a week... blood clots make natural barrier and you are just breaking that seal. Dont use that cream too. Once you have infection take antibiotics for 7 days until it heals. Thats it. DO NOT TAKE SHOWER!!! Only sponge bath and very careful leg cleaning with a moist cloth far away from the pins, not wet, moist! DO NOT TOUCH PINS!
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Well, it's already done. I feel like fluid may have gotten into my legs, and the change in pressure is affecting my nerves. I am trying to keep them warm and exercising as much as I can. Anyone have advice to get past this? The pain is really deep, it feels like bone/nerve pain as opposed to soft tissue pain from lengthening. Painkillers are allowing me to walk, but it is definitely harder than before.
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try to eat vegetables and only exercise moderately. secondly do consult the doctor and take his opinion into consideration p.s everybody goes thru different pains hang in there. btw are u getting nailed after this or ur doing pure ilazarov?
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At the moment I've decided to tough it out and keep the frames on without a nail. My opinion changes every day, when it's going good I feel like lengthening to 8-9 and nailing, when it's bad like now I feel like tapping out at 5-5.5 and consolidating. Very tough to say.
My goal, at this time is 6-6.5 with only frames, but the pain is slightly getting to me.
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Yesterday I was able to take painkillers and walk outside a good 400m , but without painkillers it would be impossible, I skipped lengthening 2 days now, but going to try and do 2 turns today and just rest. My ankles have swollen and filled with fluid, which could be from the showering, so I'll stay in bed today with ankles elevated and do a big walk tomorrow.
Doctor really hasn't said anything since its the weekend. Fending for myself as usual.
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I have TSF frames on, I was told not to shower for more than 2 months.
The swelling might also come from certain excercises you've done. Elevating your legs sounds like a good idea.
Did you get any pills prescribed for the nerve pain? Something like Lyrica? I have to take that twice a day on top of the painkillers.
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I was prescribed diclophenac injection with dexamethasone. This has been an absolute lifesaver. I was originally prescribed a trauma injection that would knock me out, but it wasn't strong enough. I can't remember the name. I also have ketonal pills when pain is annoying, however it won't help me walk.
Well, I spoke to my doctor friend and he told me it was an idiotic idea. All I have done is put extra fluid into my legs, which has probably built up in my ankles now. Keeping them elevated will circulate it into my bloodstream, but it will take a week or so. Same diagnosis though, lots of vegetables and try to do light exercise to keep blood flowing. Cold/hot compress to cut the swelling.
If you shower, bag your legs. Only way to clean your pin points is gauze and saline solution, no soap. I put soap and water into almost all of my cuts, then covered it with antibiotic cream, which has probably inflamed the pin point more so.
In all I will probably lose 4 days lengthening, maybe more if it still hurts.
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so for 6.5cm lengthening without any nail i'd say it could take around give or take 7-8 months until the frames comes off if all goes well.
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I started reading your diary a few days ago.
How are you doing right now? Do you have other hospital options nearby, if the need arises?
Sorry to hear your doctor has been, apparently, so nonchalant about it all.
Best of luck.
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Things are going okay, it could be going better. Really painful in my pin points specifically on my right knee, I've started another cycle of antibiotics to try and see if it helps. Currently limited to 2 turns a day and walking every second day. I'll go for an x-ray in another week and see if there's any issues.
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most likely pre consolidation
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I’m hoping it isn’t. I’ll have an X-ray next week. I am still able to do 2 turns a day, so I’ll keep doing so until things get worse. I’d do more but the pain is really killing my left leg.
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New X rays, a bit disappointed as I've had only a little progress in the past 3 weeks.
(https://i.imgur.com/wZRglBE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5BkFb29.jpg)
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u have good callus formation
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Dude I would be worried about preconsolidation especially because you have also not had great communication with your doctor. Is there really no way you get care from another doctor inside or outside your country?
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I think I'm going to stick with him, not much new stuff has been said, but he has recommended that I can speed it up to 3 turns a day, and that progress is slow, but going okay with no preconsolidation.
As far as pain, I am doing much better now, I'm not sure what's changed but pin point pain in my right leg has really dropped and I'm getting back to very good form for both. I am going to attempt to try walking without pain killers as soon as possible.
Sanity thanks for the heads up, I don't know too much about the callous formation, so I'll just take your word.
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I live in the city that I did my surgery, Baku Azerbaijan. I am very far from any kind of western medical health care...
Well, I am originally from Baku, Azerbaijan. And I have lots of connections there. There is surely some good facilities that can help you. If I might be helpful in any way, please let me know.
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I think I'm going to stick with him, not much new stuff has been said, but he has recommended that I can speed it up to 3 turns a day, and that progress is slow, but going okay with no preconsolidation.
As far as pain, I am doing much better now, I'm not sure what's changed but pin point pain in my right leg has really dropped and I'm getting back to very good form for both. I am going to attempt to try walking without pain killers as soon as possible.
Sanity thanks for the heads up, I don't know too much about the callous formation, so I'll just take your word.
Compare it to Rocky's, whose callus formation seemed poor at the time of his x-rays:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5395.msg90361#msg90361
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Guys, I'm really having trouble staying motivated to even get out of this bed. More and more frequently I'm doing full days where I'm doing limited physiotherapy and zero walking, only just lengthening, vitamins and eating and stuck on my laptop.
How do you do it and stay motivated? Maybe it's because I'm in some weird country for the holidays, but I need to do something to get out of this funk. The weather has turned a bit and it's not fantastic out, I know I need to move and exercise but the motivation isn't there. I'm about 75% done my lengthening, but I just can't see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Are you doing external or internal? Femur or tibia?
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im not a great motivational speaker but think back at the times where you have suffered heightism... every single one of them.
Dream about how it will all change now when you complete the procedure.
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I'm doing external tibia ilizarov full.
In all honesty I didn't suffer too much heightism before the surgery, I was okay with being short, I had other skills to get me through life and figured this would be another tool to help me in my life.
I've had complications, but it is so true how mentally draining this procedure is. Days stack upon days where you have less and less energy to go out and train your body. The motivation just gets flushed in the toilet.
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I understand u. With time it will get better
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Dude I would be worried about preconsolidation especially because you have also not had great communication with your doctor. Is there really no way you get care from another doctor inside or outside your country?
Quick question how does one determine callous formation?
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Down here with doctor sarin, The Surgical Assistant comes every 4-5 days to check and/or clean the patients wounds. He did it with me without fail every 4-5 days around where the small HLN pump inserted into my hip/top of femurs.
He does NOT use plain water and soap.
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Down here with doctor sarin, The Surgical Assistant comes every 4-5 days to check and/or clean the patients wounds. He did it with me without fail every 4-5 days around where the small HLN pump inserted into my hip/top of femurs.
He does NOT use plain water and soap.
wHAT DOEs he use instead?
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Dont know to be honest, he brings it with him from the hospital every time he comes. I ll ask him.
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I’m so sorry to hear this. I guess my motivation will be to come back to my country and start going out and enjoying life and meeting a partner.
Today I went out with a friend to a fun fair. It was wonderful. My friend used to work with me. He worked with me for years. I told him of my intentions to do the operation and he was not surprised and told me to go for it.
He said he always noticed my huge lack of confidence at work and how I always held myself back and he could see how unhappy I usually was. It was wonderful to hear that he sees it and understands. He said he may even visit me there if he can.
Please keep positive. Time flies.
Have you had visitors??
I plan to catch up on reading about topics I’m interested in while going through all this next year. Assuming I will be in the right frame of mind to do so that is. I may be being naive and this procedure is so hard that I may not even have the strength and/motivation to read.
I’m wondering whether I would even be able to do a long distance PA course if I take my laptop.
May I ask is your concentration ok or do you find it’s not so good??
Yes I think you'll be able to do a PA job freelance without issue. Any kind of work on a laptop should be easy, since you'll be on it plenty. My concentration is fine, but the massive swings in mood/pain/motivation is draining. Just from this week, thursday was a complete writeoff due to ankles being swollen, friday was great and I walked and met friends in the city but my painkillers wore out on the way home and it was a painful struggle to get to sleep, saturday I had crazy tightness/pain in my knees maybe from walking a lot the day before and sleeping was brutal. But I took some painkillers last night and maybe it's the effects carrying over but this morning I feel amazing and will walk a lot again today.
And the days spent at home are very hit and miss. If the pain is high I'll just stay and bed with no PT or exercise or stretching, but some days I'll crank out a lot of working out and staying active.
Ugh. Just need something to keep my mood/motivation up, because once it's down you don't want to do anything. I wouldn't call it depression, but I definitely understand the feeling.
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Down here with doctor sarin, The Surgical Assistant comes every 4-5 days to check and/or clean the patients wounds. He did it with me without fail every 4-5 days around where the small HLN pump inserted into my hip/top of femurs.
He does NOT use plain water and soap.
Inserted? As in, injection? This is the first I've heard of it, could you elaborate?
I use NaCl saline water if I'm cleaning the wounds, and I put some sudocrem or klobest, both very light ointments for wound treatment with very little medication in them. Aside from that, changing gauze and a bit of drying. I have zero idea if the pin points are infected, but I sure do get pain in some of them. The main screw in my tibia gets a sharp pain when walking, and 1 or 2 in my knees also get painful in bending certain positions.
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Inserted? As in, injection? This is the first I've heard of it, could you elaborate?
I use NaCl saline water if I'm cleaning the wounds, and I put some sudocrem or klobest, both very light ointments for wound treatment with very little medication in them. Aside from that, changing gauze and a bit of drying. I have zero idea if the pin points are infected, but I sure do get pain in some of them. The main screw in my tibia gets a sharp pain when walking, and 1 or 2 in my knees also get painful in bending certain positions.
No no you're misunderatanding me im talking about the HLN pump that is inserted into my hip. ......its nothing to do with the cleaning done by the Surgical assistant.
Saline water and bedtadine would be ok to use. I will say leaving the wound dry for periods of 4-5 days is fine. I had build ups of scab tissue around my pin sites and its perfectly normal, its the bodies way of trying to close the wound. The doctor alone or nurse has the ability to tell you if its infected.
Also give it time to try dont do it everyday.
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Yes I think you'll be able to do a PA job freelance without issue. Any kind of work on a laptop should be easy, since you'll be on it plenty. My concentration is fine, but the massive swings in mood/pain/motivation is draining. Just from this week, thursday was a complete writeoff due to ankles being swollen, friday was great and I walked and met friends in the city but my painkillers wore out on the way home and it was a painful struggle to get to sleep, saturday I had crazy tightness/pain in my knees maybe from walking a lot the day before and sleeping was brutal. But I took some painkillers last night and maybe it's the effects carrying over but this morning I feel amazing and will walk a lot again today.
And the days spent at home are very hit and miss. If the pain is high I'll just stay and bed with no PT or exercise or stretching, but some days I'll crank out a lot of working out and staying active.
Ugh. Just need something to keep my mood/motivation up, because once it's down you don't want to do anything. I wouldn't call it depression, but I definitely understand the feeling.
Since moving to America to study I faced this feeling everyday. My community college doesn't have jack and the area around it isn't safe so I stay far away and have spent almost my entire 8 months alone at home and going to school, only other time going out for groceries
It actually drove me crazy in the first 4 months now I with a lot of bouts of crying, but now Im completely numb to happiness and sadness. I sometimes get out of words if even the store cashier talks to me
Im going to be doing LL next year too and come back and stay at home (cuz Im broke) and it sounds like more and more dreadful waiting .. I was considering doing it with a doctor and then going to the guesthouse where I get to meet people in similar shoes and we would get a positive atmosphere but lmao! money > all that
Keep strong boy! you are 75% done so thee light at the end of the tunnel is coming soon.
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I understand where you’re coming from. I consider the idea of a clinic more and more as I go along. Thinking I’d get better support from my doctor (post home care doctors don’t have to care since they’re an email/text away) and of course meeting others in the same shoes. Home care is REALLY tough doing it by yourself, you will absolutely need a nurse or someone to take care of you, even just so you don’t go insane by yourself. Of course this is the cheaper option but 80% of this surgery and recovery is mental game. Pain, mood, feeling affects all of your progress, and how easy you get past the days. Tough to weigh out, really.
I’m doing great again today, big walk in the city with friends and now back home now working out. Like I said, ups and down are how the days go after surgery.
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I think you’re right. I had a terrible habit of picking at my scabs, and now I’ve put them all under a heap of gauze and tensor bands, so I cannot pick. lol and behold, pain is really gone. Aalso the tensors help immensely!
Pretty good day/week and am starting to see the upside.
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Back when i was doing tibias external, when i saw that scab building up i thought it was infection too, look if its green or yellowish and the surrounding skin is red then yes its infected but if its just normal brown looking scab building up around thats normal. Im still not an expert a doctor nurse still knows better than me.
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Well it’s all packed under wraps of gauze and tensors so no I really have no idea.. seemingly problems occur every time I change or clean my gauzes and I’m considering keeping them on for a 2 week period while it dries, but I’m not entirely sure. Just every time I change it, it rips all of the firmed scabs off and I start again from scratch, and strangely enough pain and tightness kick in a day later.
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To be honest we used to leave them open, not covered the moisture somehow makes it look worse, The dryer the better. When i done external we litrally left them as it and tended to them when needed.
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I will not motivate u , I will warn u , u will regret being inactive. u will suffer the ty ballerina feet and knee bending for some good time and u will not enjoy the height u gain because u will not be able to stand straight to measure it .
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Are you going to stay here for consolidation as well?
How long are you planning to stay in AZJ
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I will not motivate u , I will warn u , u will regret being inactive. u will suffer the ty ballerina feet and knee bending for some good time and u will not enjoy the height u gain because u will not be able to stand straight to measure it .
Very fair comment. I'm not being inactive fully. Every second day I climb up/down 3 flights of stairs, walk 400m, and on my second day I do leg lifts sitting and lying down, and weight train. My knee ROM is about 80% but it's not fully straight unless I really force it, but I'm trying.
You are absolutely right about ballerina. Can I ask if you got a lot of pain in your ankles after walking? Mine seem to swell every time, making it hurt to lengthen. Can I ask how you fought ballerina?
Are you going to stay here for consolidation as well?
How long are you planning to stay in AZJ
I live here, so as long as it takes. No issues with time.
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yea thts wat il suggest too. let the body take over let it control the place. dont interfere often. let the crust form and leave it you will not have problems. I asked my doctor and he told me the same thing. You should ask your's.
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Not very painful after walking but when i walk unaided i feel some pain in my ankles specially the left one, stretching helps to reduce the pain alot , pain goes away with time , and life gets better after lengthening and correction if both are done slowly.
For ballerina I lengthened only 4 cms so i was shock how i got this bad ballerina, standing and walking are the most helpful things to me , walking with crutches not walker will enhance the ballerina quickly, Now I'm about 6 months in the frames and didn't restore my full ankle flexibility, i don't have ballerina any more and i put my heels confidently on the ground while walking but i need more dorsiflexion to stand straight and going down stairs. I believe that after removing the frames i will restore more flexibility.
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New x rays. I believe 4cm but getting measured.
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A bit confused. I’ve done about 150 turns which calculates to about 4cm but my doctor is saying I’m at 5cm. Apparently I’ve been turning more than I needed to, which is why it was extra painful... also one of my legs is shorter, so I’m going to even it out.
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This is the kind of cluster fk I am dealing with. Dr. Bagirov came in, did some calculations and said I am at 5cm. I have done 150 turns at that works out to about 4cm. He also said I have one leg shorter than the other. So this doctor just leaves and my original doctor Babel comes. Does some calculations and apparently I’m at 6cm and my legs are fine. No real from answers but to lengthen my left leg a little bit more... no real amount, just more.
I’m losing my fkn mind with the doctors here. No one knows.
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It's really hard to believe your doctors are so negligent to you. It's crazy.
on the bright side, your bones look solid and your recovery should be close if you stop now.
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If u've done ~5cm then how much more do you think u can handle safely without dealing with ballerina and other problems.
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It’s hard to say, right now I do t have issues with bf but some turns have an immediate effect, it could happen any time. I’m pretty confident I’ll either stop at 172 or 173 and then consolidate, I’ve had enough of these frames for now.
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I’ve measured myself since the doctor can’t even tell me either: how tall I am, or how much I’ve lengthened.
I am currently 171.5, but unsure of how even my legs are. Trying to measure inseams.
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It’s hard to say, right now I do t have issues with bf but some turns have an immediate effect, it could happen any time. I’m pretty confident I’ll either stop at 172 or 173 and then consolidate, I’ve had enough of these frames for now.
that wise. 6-7 cm is good and safe choice. Also it is harder without the nails but it is much safer in the long run. How is your walking ?
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Walking is still tough, can’t do it without painkillers but slowly getting better.
So, I’ve tried to measure my legs to see if they’re even. I don’t know if any other way to check if they are the same, if anyone can recommend advice, I am all ears. It seems like they are the same. But also, the laptop I placed isn’t even.
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your pin sites look terrible, they should be covered.
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The pin sites are fine, no pain and they’ve scabbed well with no infection. The cream I use “sudacream” helps lots with scabbing, but it makes everything look dried out and dirty. Hard to get off even with a shower.
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Pretty fair size milestone conquered today. No longer requiring painkiller injections to walk, I'm able to get up and walk with some low dose tramadol and lyrica. I was really getting annoyed by injecting every other day, but finally seeing my pain tolerance drop. Also, recovery is going good, I will probably stop lengthening next week. Pretty excited, things are looking up!
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I’m incredibly happy for you
While your struggles seem to be stopping, mine are about to begin!
You’re an incredible my friendly guy and I hope you stay on this forum so we see your updates :)
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Congrats on almost being over with this.
You're really strong.
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Currently I've lengthened 5.5cm and out of literally nowhere I am experiencing incredible nerve pain in my right leg. The location sort of travels, from the point of the break in my tibia, and moving upwards past my knee. The pain is worse than anything experienced during lengthening. So far, I am able to cut the pain with Ibeuprofin, I have requested my doctors advice and as usual, it's crap. Take painkillers, maybe open the apparatus.
I am in dire need of advice or help on what to do, I have booked to see some neuropaths this week to get to the root of the problem, but any advice is welcome. I cannot sleep, and can barely lie down in one place without painkillers.
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I want to comment on some points that may help
- U will gain almost what u have turned, so if u r sure u have turned 4 cms u will gain 4 cms . Maybe u weren't accurate in turns like u may turn 95 degrees or 100 degrees with 150 turns any slight increase will sum up to half or 1 cm happend with me , also note that xray is always longer than the reality the error is from 10 to 15% so if ur xRay shows 50 mm u r most likely 45mm
- its very hard to measure ur height during this period, ur posture is at its bad so dnt depend on that
- also its very hard for u to tell if 1 leg is longer than the other. The best way is to do a standing xray or long film get the xray in DICOM format and measure the leg length. Ur standing xray shall be performed while ur standing with straight legs no ballerina and no knees bending.
- nerve pain is normal at this stage dnt worry and during my journey it was the most terrible pain i've felt. Just use pain killers and it will go away after u stop lengthening it may take some time but u will feel good dnt worry.
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I have already stopped lengthening though...
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Dnt panic just give ur self some time and u will feel good. Absolutely normal
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New x rays. Pretty happy with the consolidation. 5.5cm after lengthening, almost 6 months to the day from surgery.
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Problems to report are very, very slight duck ass and maybe a hair of ballerina in my right foot. But I’ve been walking almost painkiller free, 1 tablet of ketanol. My frames will be off in 2 months apparently. A bit sad about it but it’s all good.
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One question drew upon me just now.How did he work out how much you could lengthen?
Did he make this conclusion by X-ray or something else?
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He didn’t, he allowed me to lengthen as much as I want. But I was happy with 5.5.
The pain was too much to keep lengthening for me, so I stopped.
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He didn’t, he allowed me to lengthen as much as I want. But I was happy with 5.5.
The pain was too much to keep lengthening for me, so I stopped.
What?!So capricious....Anyway still best wish for your surgery :)
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Everyone doing limb lengthening has the option to lengthen as much of as little as they want. How is this different?
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To Jcayabo:
From what I can see, your x-rays look very good to me. Congratulations!
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To Jcayabo:
From what I can see, your x-rays look very good to me. Congratulations!
Thanks, callous buildup is still not as great on the right leg, but it's close.
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If your last x-rays are 6 months out from your initial surgery; then, our initial surgeries were at about the same time (mine was September 20, 2018).
I distracted quite a bit more than you (9 cm vs 5.5 cm). I have another x-ray next week but I don't yet expect to have close to the amount of cortical bone you grew over the same period.
When (what date) did you stop distracting?
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I was in no hurry to lengthen fast, I’ve noted it in this diary. I was lengthening about an average of 0.4mm per day, but I also had alignment issues afterwards. Really, I put down my wrench at about the middle of February.
I approached it a lot differently than most, as most people are looking to turn, turn, turn. Also, I used NSAIDs like diclophenac and neurofen, now I’m completely off but a majority of the time I was using them.
But as far as training and nutrition, I walked every other day, was using a lot of protein shakes, double dosage of all vitamins, electronic exogen pulse bone healer, testosterone, nandrolone... it’s hard to say what could have had major impacts on my callous since it was all done at once.
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Where do you get your Nandrolene?
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I was in no hurry to lengthen fast, I’ve noted it in this diary. I was lengthening about an average of 0.4mm per day, but I also had alignment issues afterwards. Really, I put down my wrench at about the middle of February.
I approached it a lot differently than most, as most people are looking to turn, turn, turn. Also, I used NSAIDs like diclophenac and neurofen, now I’m completely off but a majority of the time I was using them.
But as far as training and nutrition, I walked every other day, was using a lot of protein shakes, double dosage of all vitamins, electronic exogen pulse bone healer, testosterone, nandrolone... it’s hard to say what could have had major impacts on my callous since it was all done at once.
How tall are u now? U original height was? Wingspam? Feet Size?
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Where do you get your Nandrolene?
India/Turkey
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So, you're 170.5cm now?
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I fcked up my original height, but never actually measured myself, I'm 167 and now I'm 172 and a bit.
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I fked up my original height, but never actually measured myself, I'm 167 and now I'm 172 and a bit.
Claim 5'8 if you live in the US. 172cm is like 5'7.7. American 5'7ers seem to claim 5'9, so you could probably get away with that, too.
How do you feel about the height?
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I live in the Middle East and people really are a lot less concerned with height socially. For example, girls won't blow you off tinder because you're 5'xx. The height feels fantastic, being raised in Canada, and living in a society that was really stressing the height issue, yes I look at it more often than usual. I'm very thumb-shaped with a pretty big chest and the length has evened me out.
Yes, I probably still am considered short in some places, but it's gotten rid of the body dysmorphia that I had before, and meeting friends again with the new height seems like a whole different world. I'm still recovering and I hope I get my athleticism back, but we'll see what happens.
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Very exciting updates from the last 2 weeks or so of recovery. I've completely stopped using my zimmer walker and am using forearm crutches. I cannot recommend this strategy enough. I felt that adding wheels on my zimmer was helping me recover fast, but I've seen drastic changes in my strength and abilities to walk with barely more than a week of using forearm crutches. It puts your body into relying on weight bearing devices less and less, and builds the muscles you need to actually get out of this surgery alive and normal.
I am skipping my xray this month beause I'm sure I'm not fully consolidated yet, which isn't a big deal. I will see my doctor again in about 3 weeks and we will see if I can get these damn frames off. My strength is going through the roof for my legs, even stairs and moving from sitting to standing is getting better. I still need a bit of practice but I can guarantee this is the best way to recovery. I'm even considering taking yoga classes even with my frames.
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WALKING UNAIDED!! SCK MY DCK ILIZAROV FRAMES.
But I look like a waddling duck.
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WALKING UNAIDED!! SCK MY DCK ILIZAROV FRAMES.
But I look like a waddling duck.
Did you finally remove the frames?
That was a long time I read that you were distracting at .4 mm/day for most of it
Congrats!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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WALKING UNAIDED!! SCK MY DCK ILIZAROV FRAMES.
But I look like a waddling duck.
Really nice! Congrats!
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Did you finally remove the frames?
That was a long time I read that you were distracting at .4 mm/day for most of it
Congrats!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'll find out about my frames tomorrow... big day.
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i ma happy to see you are recovering. keep it up. keep going. thumbs up.
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Very frustrating day. Got my xrays and very, very little progress in 2 months. Could be the NSAIDS, could be my crap PT.
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What will happen now?
I get my next X-rays by the end of june and I fear that it won't be enough again...frustrating indeed
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What will happen now?
I get my next X-rays by the end of june and I fear that it won't be enough again...frustrating indeed
Doctor has now said, out of nowhere, that the frames cannot come off until I am walking unaided fully and able to sit>stand without aid. Very strange because this is the first time I've heard about it. So, now I need to start crushing my PT or I will never be out of the frames.
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Doctor has now said, out of nowhere, that the frames cannot come off until I am walking unaided fully and able to sit>stand without aid. Very strange because this is the first time I've heard about it. So, now I need to start crushing my PT or I will never be out of the frames.
Very weird. In my eyes your legs look almost fully consolidated...Maybe you know another doctor who you can show the X-rays to for a second opinion? Via DICOM files or CD ROM ? As you said...what your doctor said is unusual. But maybe he thinks that you will progress to that level soon anyways and until than your bones might be 100%. In my case I couldn't wait until then. Pretty sure that without the frames, the recovery will be a lot faster.
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Very weird. In my eyes your legs look almost fully consolidated...Maybe you know another doctor who you can show the X-rays to for a second opinion? Via DICOM files or CD ROM ? As you said...what your doctor said is unusual. But maybe he thinks that you will progress to that level soon anyways and until than your bones might be 100%. In my case I couldn't wait until then. Pretty sure that without the frames, the recovery will be a lot faster.
You're probably right, it may be good for a second opinion, but I have seen massive strides in my abilities, maybe I am closer to walking/standing than I thought. I'm going to try and see how this month goes, really get into PT and see what happens. I just want to wear normal pants again. My doctor has said that if I can't walk/stand there is a possibility that the bones will compress on themselves and I'll lose height, so unless I'm able to walk fully they won't remove it. And you're definitely right, having these damn pins in my legs have to be halting my recovery.
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2 week update or whatever it is.
Walking very good lengths of time unaided, I'll say for 3 minute intervals I'll walk unaided without crutches. But my form is not so great, I spoke to a very interesting blind russian physiotherapist, and he's basically given me this video to help me recover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04oNYB0wmQ
He's told me walking is not the be all and end all, these exercises are much more important, so I'm focusing on that more than before, which every post-LL patient says anyway.
One last thing, still getting some swelling after walking a lot. I really do hope it's just because of the pins. Damn I want these things off. :(
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Are you taking supplements?
Make sure you're getting appropriate vitamin d3, calcium and vitamin K intake for someone with broken bones. Drinking one glass of milk thrice a day might also help some (increases IGF-1 levels in the body).
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Hi cheekycabs
Hang in there buddy! You are almost there! Hope you remove the frames soon!
Wish you the best of luck!
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Are you taking supplements?
Make sure you're getting appropriate vitamin d3, calcium and vitamin K intake for someone with broken bones. Drinking one glass of milk thrice a day might also help some (increases IGF-1 levels in the body).
Diet and everything is listed in my google doc below. I have it all covered.
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Hello how are you doing now. I am at 3cm and feel like im ripping apart. I wanted to ask you when you were at 3cm did it feel this tight as if it felt like you were literally ripping your muscles apart. For me it is so tight at 3cm i cant imagine how tight it would be at 6cm.
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Walking videos!!
https://imgur.com/wOnLHgc
https://imgur.com/CFbrLxa
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Hello how are you doing now. I am at 3cm and feel like im ripping apart. I wanted to ask you when you were at 3cm did it feel this tight as if it felt like you were literally ripping your muscles apart. For me it is so tight at 3cm i cant imagine how tight it would be at 6cm.
Check my walking videos above. 3CM was definitely tough, just read my diary about how slow I was lengthening, it took 3 - 3.5 months because I was in pain a lot after each day.
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Walking videos!!
https://imgur.com/wOnLHgc
https://imgur.com/CFbrLxa
How long ago from those videos you removed the external fixator?
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How long ago from those videos you removed the external fixator?
My fixators are still in.
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Going to start using these vids to train:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZGV7SMPAIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZXbjwr7t4o
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My fixators are still in.
I swear i tought you just remove them.
Looks great btw, you are going to remove them next month?
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I swear i tought you just remove them.
Looks great btw, you are going to remove them next month?
My doctor hasn't said anything just yet. i believe I will dynamize my frames and then maybe take them off in a month.
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So, today I had my left leg dynamized. The first 2 days don't feel good at all, the weight is all on my bones now, and it's painful in all of the weak spots. Goign to be difficult to walk today, but need to get outside
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Did he remove some pins? How many?
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Well, sort of. They release the entire apparatus from supporting your bones, and then reattach it. So, the apparatus is no longer bearing all the weight. My bones are now taking the most of the pressure on my left leg.
I have confirmation that my left leg can be removed in 1 month :D :D
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Left leg has been removed!!
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Gz 10 months for 5,5cm and you have still one frame on it’s a lot, you had any complications?
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Yeah it's a long time. Some complications, ballerina, some duck ass. But it will be straightened out in physio I believe.
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Scars
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Looks like next week the frame is coming off :D So far my left leg which has had the frame removed already is really strong once the frame is off. You really do get a lot stronger once it's off. Stairs are easy and I don't need crutches. A lot of stuff is easy to do, but I definitely need to work on my balance. But... if next week it's out, that puts a total of 333 days for everything to be done, and still need to have rehab done to get everything back to normal.
Pretty big sacrifice to take for 5cm, but I'll see how much I'm effected after the surgery.
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Sounds amazing! That gives me hope, too:) Do you know when your frame will be removed exactly?
How many pins did you have inside each of your leg again? Because not everyone seems to have the same amount of pins.
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Sounds amazing! That gives me hope, too:) Do you know when your frame will be removed exactly?
How many pins did you have inside each of your leg again? Because not everyone seems to have the same amount of pins.
It was removed 2 days ago. If I count the holes in each leg it’s 13. I really just tried to keep my eyes closed on the removal. They don’t use anesthetic and the screws are a good 7cms deep into the skin. I believe 3 were screws, and 5 were wires that went through.
Just taking the next week and resting. My ankle is a bit tight, and I have a little bit of ballerina in my right leg but I think I can get rid of it. Movement is pretty good, able to walk around without crutches, but still have a tiny bit of duck ass. Nothing exercise can’t fix.
So this is pretty much it, road to physiotherapy is long but I have my height and it’s pretty cool. Immediately noticeable for me especially now that I can wear boots and normal pants again.
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Maybe 8 months post frame removal. Feel absolutely fantastic. Can run, jump, whatever. Go up and down stairs with weights. The biggest difference is that my balance is definitely worse, for example on a slippery street in the rain I have fallen down drastically more times.
Also, if I am sitting for example in a kneeling position it is a bit tight.
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Congrats man! happy to hear the outcome is positive
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Oh wow I saw your hgh thread yesterday and was going to try to contact you and see your supplements but you didn't post for like 6 months. What a surprise you posted today. Glad to see your happy results!
Btw, your links in your signature don't work, I wanna see your supplements:)
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I accidentally deleted the google doc. Mostly I turned to the dark side and used testosterone and steroids to heal faster. Tried to eat a clean diet, but really hard to do. It's almost like quarantine life really, so many similarities. Best thing to do is get weights, and get training. Just read through this thread, it's pretty well explained how I felt day to day
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Also the normal, load up on vitamins C/D/E, Multi's, protein WPI and casein, eat eat eat. Clean veg, clean meat. Train as much as you can, stay off youtube/netflix.
I honestly wish I turned more. The results are pretty amazing.
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Nice to hear you're doing well mate! Especially when you contrast how many problems you faced while lengthening.
Do you have any videos of doing difficult exercises or running or similar?
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So just to be clear, would you recommend using HGH during distraction and the entire LL journey? Or only consolidation- or perhaps with the knowledge you know now... not use it at all?
Happy for you.
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I had a horrible response to HGH and I recommend staying off of it. I took so much that I developed skin issues that I am only NOW 8 months later slowly recovering from.
No videos of me doing stuff, sorry. But I've went skating, I've ran on treadmills at about a 13 speed, biked, used a motorcycle, used a moped. Only issue as I said is my balance is a bit worse, and sometimes if I'm sitting on the floor I need to grab something super briefly.
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Ignore this post. Thought you did 7cm based on your original measurements.