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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: simons on January 14, 2019, 08:14:32 PM
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Hi there,
here we go again with my second surgery with Dr. Guichet after the first one successfully done in Marseille in August 2011 (seven years ago). The first time I went from 170cm to 177.5cm. This time hopefully from 177.5 to 187.5. In the old forum (not sure if the rules of this board would allow me to post links to other sites) you can find my diary (I had the same username).
I'm 33yo, Italian living in Milan. Born and raised in a town 20 minutes far from Milan. Everything from language to facilities are easier for me than foreigners but I have been really impressed by the "structure" that Dr. Guichet built over the years and that I'm going to describe below.
Before starting this discussion/diary I read few posts about Dr. Guichet on this forum. Some of them are not too positive but what makes me "happy" is that the issues are just about money and Guichet "disorganization". Nobody can be good at everything. Without my assistant I would forget even to pay my utility bills. Dr. Guichet needed a better structure to support his undiscussed professionalism and skills as a surgeon. What I have found in Milan was a very strong structure very well organized. The training center is 300 meters far from the doctor office and the team operating there is very friendly and skilled. They even help patients doing their daily clicking routine. I have seen with my eyes the trainer helping patients clicking their legs. I was shocked about the amazing level of the post-surgery service provided.
Actually I go the gym every single working day in order to increase muscles and flexibility. The trainer has helped re-learn some movements that I forgot about after my first surgery. Mission already accomplished. I will go into details in my future posts in this discussion. I will also keep a quite detailed dairy about the progress.
For people thinking that what I say is too good to be true I strongly suggest them to read my other diary written 7 (seven) years ago. You can also contact me here, call me on the phone, send me an email or meet me in person in Milan (usually from 9 A.M. to 11 A.M. I'm in the training center). Please contact me before coming so I can bring my x-rays with me and I can show you my legs (it sounds sexy!) ... then if you can prove that I'm a fake nick I promise I will pay your consultation with Dr. Guichet with my own money ;)
I'm going to have my second surgery in March 2019 but the date is not mandatory. I have been very clear with Dr.Guichet: I wanted to be trained at 100% before the surgery. Living in Milan I can do that without any problem.
See you tomorrow with more details.
Cheers!
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Hi there,
here we go again with my second surgery with Dr. Guichet after the first one successfully done in Marseille in August 2011 (seven years ago). The first time I went from 170cm to 177.5cm. This time hopefully from 177.5 to 187.5. In the old forum (not sure if the rules of this board would allow me to post links to other sites) you can find my diary (I had the same username).
I'm 33yo, Italian living in Milan. Born and raised in a town 20 minutes far from Milan. Everything from language to facilities are easier for me than foreigners but I have been really impressed by the "structure" that Dr. Guichet built over the years and that I'm going to describe below.
Before starting this discussion/diary I read few posts about Dr. Guichet on this forum. Some of them are not too positive but what makes me "happy" is that the issues are just about money and Guichet "disorganization". Nobody can be good at everything. Without my assistant I would forget even to pay my utility bills. Dr. Guichet needed a better structure to support his undiscussed professionalism and skills as a surgeon. What I have found in Milan was a very strong structure very well organized. The training center is 300 meters far from the doctor office and the team operating there is very friendly and skilled. They even help patients doing their daily clicking routine. I have seen with my eyes the trainer helping patients clicking their legs. I was shocked about the amazing level of the post-surgery service provided.
Actually I go the gym every single working day in order to increase muscles and flexibility. The trainer has helped re-learn some movements that I forgot about after my first surgery. Mission already accomplished. I will go into details in my future posts in this discussion. I will also keep a quite detailed dairy about the progress.
For people thinking that what I say is too good to be true I strongly suggest them to read my other diary written 7 (seven) years ago. You can also contact me here, call me on the phone, send me an email or meet me in person in Milan (usually from 9 A.M. to 11 A.M. I'm in the training center). Please contact me before coming so I can bring my x-rays with me and I can show you my legs (it sounds sxxy!) ... then if you can prove that I'm a fake nick I promise I will pay your consultation with Dr. Guichet with my own money ;)
I'm going to have my second surgery in March 2019 but the date is not mandatory. I have been very clear with Dr.Guichet: I wanted to be trained at 100% before the surgery. Living in Milan I can do that without any problem.
See you tomorrow with more details.
Cheers!
Goodluck bro, Looking forward to read your diary :)
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Good luck man !!
It would be great if you can give a short summery or your first lengthening. Especially about your recovery up to this day.
Kind regards
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Goodluck bro, Looking forward to read your diary :)
Thanks, another day spent at the gym. To be honest this daily routing (gym at 9 A.M.) keeps me fresh and in shape. Couldn't be happier.
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Good luck man !!
It would be great if you can give a short summery or your first lengthening. Especially about your recovery up to this day.
Kind regards
Hi there, thanks and sure ... my first lengthening was in Marseille in August 2011. I started from 170cm and went to 177.5. I spent one month in Marseille before the surgery to complete the pre-op training with the local team working for Dr. Guichet and then I spent another month there after the surgery. I completed my clicks at home. Consider that I completed the clicking in Oct 2011 and during Christmas holidays I was able to walk (like a duck) without crutches. In Feb 2012 I was able to walk around the city without stopping.
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What did you lengthen Femur or Tibia?
do you still feel any complications connected to the surgery in 2011? (Pain, Gait, Running, etc)
Thanks
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What did you lengthen Femur or Tibia?
do you still feel any complications connected to the surgery in 2011? (Pain, Gait, Running, etc)
Thanks
Femur. Dr. Guichet discouraged me about tibia due to slow ossification. I have very good bones but even for me femur is better than tibia.
I can do all exercises that other people do. No pain, nothing. Regarding running I have to say that I still have the nails inside my bones (they will be removed and replaced at the same time during the surgery). My nail is composed by a material that doesn't flex (remember that it's 7yo) and because of that I can run but I can't do it properly. In fact when you run, the femur flexes a little bit. Having a nail that doesn't flex inside of it the "movement" isn't natural. This "issue" has been fixed in the latest releases of the nails.
When I got to the gym to do my daily routine of exercises nobody has noticed anything because of I can do exactly what other people do. When I speak about my surgery the first reaction is "oh... really? nooo you are kidding me!" because I'm more than natural both in movements both the strength applied.
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So you're going to get 2 rounds on lengthening on just the femurs? That's a lot of length on one segment. I don't know of anyone who has done over 11cm on one segment.
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So you're going to get 2 rounds on lengthening on just the femurs? That's a lot of length on one segment. I don't know of anyone who has done over 11cm on one segment.
so if he does femur again with 10 cm. he will have 17.5cm in total in femur!!
im worried, simons u sure tibias wont be better even if recovery takes longer?
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So you're going to get 2 rounds on lengthening on just the femurs? That's a lot of length on one segment. I don't know of anyone who has done over 11cm on one segment.
I'm aware of Dr. Guichet patients with something like 18cm. But I can be wrong. I'll make sure with trainer tomorrow so I can give you detailed information.
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so if he does femur again with 10 cm. he will have 17.5cm in total in femur!!
im worried, simons u sure tibias wont be better even if recovery takes longer?
At first I was 99% to do tibias. Dr. Guichet clearly discouraged me by listing a pretty fair number of reason against tibia. The golden rule is: femur whenever you want, tibia when it's needed.
I'm a male but think about female top models. They represent the perfection. Look at their legs.
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I am a believer that most people don't notice proportions but I do think 10cm is when people start noticing one segment longer than the other.
And it would be good if you can provide some proof simons. Some guy impersonated a member called Android on this forum so we can never be sure ;D
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you are going to look like a freak with that amount in your femurs , reconsider your decision
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I am a believer that most people don't notice proportions but I do think 10cm is when people start noticing one segment longer than the other.
And it would be good if you can provide some proof simons. Some guy impersonated a member called Android on this forum so we can never be sure ;D
How can I prove it to you?
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you are going to look like a freak with that amount in your femurs , reconsider your decision
On the paper everything looks good :)
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How can I prove it to you?
How about?
1. Go back to old forum and post an update.
2. Show a photo of your legs / scars
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How about?
1. Go back to old forum and post an update.
2. Show a photo of your legs / scars
http://www. /index.php/topic,4179.0.html
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Thanks. You are him afterall.
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http://www. /index.php/topic,4179.0.html
The link doesn't work.
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Hi simons :)
Can you give us an update on what you've decided?
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Hi simons :)
Can you give us an update on what you've decided?
Hey there,
I apologize for not having updated the diary during the last week. My daily routing is always the same: gym 5 days a weeks (almost 3 hours session in the morning). I had a isokinetic test and the result was amazing according to the trainer.
Obviously we will proceed with the femur. I'm going to do a "femur length preview" with the trainer tomorrow. If it's something tangible I can post here the result. I'd like to know how femurs will look like after a gain of 10cm.
Just out of curiosity we met ivetenneeded2016 at the gym and he saw me jumping around. That's to explain that 100% of what I write is genuine.
Thanks
S
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Hi Simons
Read your diary on the old forum. After 7 years how do you feel. Any residual pain or discomfort(of any type) that you feel. How is your athletic(light activity) ability? What should a future patient expect after this operation after 6-7 Yaers, what I mean to ask is that there is going to be some trade off right. If you could pls tell that would be very helpful, it’s rare to have vets on the forum.
Best of luck for your future surgery.
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Hi Simons
Read your diary on the old forum. After 7 years how do you feel. Any residual pain or discomfort(of any type) that you feel. How is your athletic(light activity) ability? What should a future patient expect after this operation after 6-7 Yaers, what I mean to ask is that there is going to be some trade off right. If you could pls tell that would be very helpful, it’s rare to have vets on the forum.
Best of luck for your future surgery.
First of all thanks for your wishes :)
I had no pain during the first LL, after and even now. My athletic ability has improved. I can jump, kick sandboxes (I'm Karate black belt) and do whatever I want. The only thing I can't do because of the the nail that I haven't removed yet (I'll do within the next surgery when it'll be replaced with the new one) is running. I can run but not in a good way. It's not a problem related to the surgery or recovery but it's the material of the nail. In fact when you run the femurs flex a bit, my nail - being the first generation - is entirely built of titanium and it doesn't flex. The current "release" of the nail is made of another material and it flexes.
A future patient should expect to live a normal life doing everything he used to do before LL. I strongly suggest to keep going regularly to the gym.
The best advice I can give is to follow strictly what the doctor says. Otherwise the result is not guaranteed and you can incur into some issues.
If you have more specific questions feel free to ask me.
Thanks,
S
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Sorry no sorry imo is insane than Dr.Guichet allow/consent doing 10 cm more on yours alredy 7cm lengthen femurs
I am sure medically can be done, lengthen 17 cm bones, muscles, arteries etc over a period of 7-8 years BUT it would be a disaster on the biomechanics of tibia:femur ratio (normally .80 +- .02) and aesthetics
you mention female models legs, well they tend very ofen to have longer femurs, on the other hand male have usually longer tibias
i know Dr.Guichet doesn't do tibias, as advice please if you are dead serious in a second cll consider doing tibias instead even if it mean choosing another doctor and a more moderate amount of height to gain
this in my opinon would be a more sensible plan, at the end of the day is your life, yours legs i truly wish you luck, a good result in the end
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Hi Simons,
I think 1m77.5 is a great height. Doing another 10cm on your femurs sounds very extreme to me...
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M of the same view that you shouldn’t do 10 cm on your femurs, I would say don’t do it at all coz I think u have already achieved a great height. Still if you want to do it gain not more than 4- 5 cm on the tibias.
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Sorry no sorry imo is insane than Dr.Guichet allow/consent doing 10 cm more on yours alredy 7cm lengthen femurs
I am sure medically can be done, lengthen 17 cm bones, muscles, arteries etc over a period of 7-8 years BUT it would be a disaster on the biomechanics of tibia:femur ratio (normally .80 +- .02) and aesthetics
you mention female models legs, well they tend very ofen to have longer femurs, on the other hand male have usually longer tibias
i know Dr.Guichet doesn't do tibias, as advice please if you are dead serious in a second cll consider doing tibias instead even if it mean choosing another doctor and a more moderate amount of height to gain
this in my opinon would be a more sensible plan, at the end of the day is your life, yours legs i truly wish you luck, a good result in the end
I started my first LL with a deficit of 5cm on my femurs. And nobody's noticed that. I gained 7.5cm, so I was 2.5cm above the "perfect" ratio. And nobody's noticed that. Now with 10cm more I'm going be at the same of of somebody who is doing LL starting from a normal height.
Guichet does tibias but he prefers femur for a long list of reasons discussed many times in this board. He suggested me femur and - since I trust him - I agreed. In the next days I'll do a sort of "preview" of my final legs. I'll post it here, I promise.
Btw I have already discussed an "exit strategy": if femurs will be too long we will proceed with tibias.
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M of the same view that you shouldn’t do 10 cm on your femurs, I would say don’t do it at all coz I think u have already achieved a great height. Still if you want to do it gain not more than 4- 5 cm on the tibias.
Well ... the final goal is 10cm BUT if I see that my femurs become too long I will stop and proceed (after the recovery) with tibias.
You may consider that insane but my situation is a bit different than other patients: I live 300 meters far from Dr. Guichet studio and 100 meters far from the gym used for post-op training.
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Hi Simons,
I think 1m77.5 is a great height. Doing another 10cm on your femurs sounds very extreme to me...
Believe me here in Milan 177.5cm isn't a great height. A great height is 184-185cm. My goal is 187.5cm just to "maximize" the investment LOL
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Hey there,
just a quick note ... I think to be able to deliver the preview of femur tomorrow.
Thanks peeps
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Hey peeps,
just a quick update regarding the diary. I started my pre-op training on 21st Dec 2018 and almost 2 months later I have increased by 100% (doubled) or more my strength. At the beginning of the training I was able to lift 36kg on a singular leg. Now I can lift 112kg on the right and 100kg on the left. I'm talking about the leg press.
I have also corrected a couple of "movements" that I "forgot" about after the first LL. I can say that I'm totally in shape thanks to the strong and protein-rich diet created by the Dr. Guichet trainer for me. He asked me to list him that I like and dislike to eat and he came up with diet fitting both my needs both what I like to eat.
Many people underestimate the importance of the pre-op training. Dr. Guichet is crystal clear about that: if you are going loose 30% of your muscles after the surgery you have to increase your muscles of 30%.
I'm also working on the flexibility trying to reach 130/140° on the legs. Actually I'm at 110° starting from 80°. I have developed a sort of protocol for stretching exercises and I hope that it will help me.
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Hi Simons, while I am happy for you that you had a past successful LL surgery and healthy enough to do a 2nd, I just want to say that your attitude and spamming attacks against unicorn in her diary is downright disgusting.
I am also a former patient of Guichet from years ago, and I haven't logged into my profile on this forum for years, but you can see I was an active member posting about my experience back then. I felt compelled after seeing your nasty posts dude. Whatever intention you may have had of defending the doctor or discrediting unicorn is only backfiring and just making you and him look way worse. It's exactly the same as another doctor on here that suspiciously gets defended a lot in the face of bad public outcomes.
As a former patient I've never felt compelled to defend the doctor or attack other patients. Why you've decided to is beyond me, but like I said the only ones you're making look bad are yourself and your doctor. I'd stop and just stick to your diary if I were you.
Best of luck with your 2nd lengthening.
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Hi Simons, while I am happy for you that you had a past successful LL surgery and healthy enough to do a 2nd, I just want to say that your attitude and spamming attacks against unicorn in her diary is downright disgusting.
I am also a former patient of Guichet from years ago, and I haven't logged into my profile on this forum for years, but you can see I was an active member posting about my experience back then. I felt compelled after seeing your nasty posts dude. Whatever intention you may have had of defending the doctor or discrediting unicorn is only backfiring and just making you and him look way worse. It's exactly the same as another doctor on here that suspiciously gets defended a lot in the face of bad public outcomes.
As a former patient I've never felt compelled to defend the doctor or attack other patients. Why you've decided to is beyond me, but like I said the only ones you're making look bad are yourself and your doctor. I'd stop and just stick to your diary if I were you.
Best of luck with your 2nd lengthening.
Oh yes! I keep updating my diary. Probably you missed the part where I offered Unicorn to pay for her recovery in Milan since - as she's stated - she's selling her personal stuff on eBay to pay utility bills.
I don't feel compelled to defend the doctor as well. I just defend who - to my eyes and in my opinion - is "innocent".
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Hi Simons, while I am happy for you that you had a past successful LL surgery and healthy enough to do a 2nd, I just want to say that your attitude and spamming attacks against unicorn in her diary is downright disgusting.
I am also a former patient of Guichet from years ago, and I haven't logged into my profile on this forum for years, but you can see I was an active member posting about my experience back then. I felt compelled after seeing your nasty posts dude. Whatever intention you may have had of defending the doctor or discrediting unicorn is only backfiring and just making you and him look way worse. It's exactly the same as another doctor on here that suspiciously gets defended a lot in the face of bad public outcomes.
As a former patient I've never felt compelled to defend the doctor or attack other patients. Why you've decided to is beyond me, but like I said the only ones you're making look bad are yourself and your doctor. I'd stop and just stick to your diary if I were you.
Best of luck with your 2nd lengthening.
Btw your post deserves a better answer. Last Wed I had a meeting with Dr. Guichet and he proudly showed me a list of cases where he literally SAVED the life and future of children with issues to their legs. I'm not talking about words, he showed me pictures and X-rays he was allowed to show. Probably there was a number of similar cases he wasn't allowed to show because patients didn't give him their permissions.
I know from a reliable source that he did the surgery at the cost of the expenses and putting an insane amount of hours into a customized version of his nail (impossible with a commercial nail I think) to adapt it to the bone of children.
You can believe it or not but he was totally proud when he described me in details all cases. Not proud because of his ego but proud to have saved a life. What Unicorn described is not the Dr. Guichet that I met 8 years ago and that I met again last Nov and that I meet - even for a coffee - sometimes. When you are angry against your life because of something, you can't see things properly.
It's not a secret that LL cosmetic surgeries support research and development of technologies for all kind of LL surgeries. So if my testimonials can help the Dr. doing one more cosmetic surgery in order to be able to save another child (avoiding his "split" of the total amount paid) I have reached my goal.
Now you got my point? Thanks for reading :)
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Dr guichet took 6,000 euros from me in 2012 as a deposit then after 6 days i changed my mind and didnt want to get surgery done with him so i asked for the deposit back.
He refused and only gave me back about 2,600 back and made the excuse that his 2 emails he sent to me were worth 3,400k.
Guichet is not a stand up guy or someone to be trusted.
Hes an exploiter of LL patients.
I think you're writing this diary so you could get a discount on your second surgery. The way you speak of him is as an asvertiser.
Unicorn isnt lying and after what he done to her no one should go to him.
You should be questioning him yourself for letting you do a second surgery on your femurs bro.
Honestly bro think about it, No doctor has ever said you should do more than 7.5cms.
Think about your legs bro.
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Dr guichet took 6,000 euros from me in 2012 as a deposit then after 6 days i changed my mind and didnt want to get surgery done with him so i asked for the deposit back.
He refused and only gave me back about 2,600 back and made the excuse that his 2 emails he sent to me were worth 3,400k.
Guichet is not a stand up guy or someone to be trusted.
Hes an exploiter of LL patients.
I think you're writing this diary so you could get a discount on your second surgery. The way you speak of him is as an asvertiser.
Unicorn isnt lying and after what he done to her no one should go to him.
You should be questioning him yourself for letting you do a second surgery on your femurs bro.
Honestly bro think about it, No doctor has ever said you should do more than 7.5cms.
Think about your legs bro.
Discount? Dude you don't know me. ;D I spend monthly in new cars the same amount to get 60cm taller (read: several surgeries). Firstly I'm not the kind of guy to beg for discounts and then I really don't need it. The reason why I'm defending him are two: the first one is that he literally changed my life (in positive) and then for the reasons written above.
I'm sure you signed a contract and what is refundable or not is on the contract. I'm not telling you are wrong and he's right or vice versa. Maybe reading contracts can help people to avoid misunderstanding.
Regarding surgeries I think we should let the doctors decide. During my consultation (that I paid 300 EUR, would you like to see the receipt? 60 EUR of discount ... I admit it) when I asked for tibias he clearly told me "no way, tibias are take too long! tibias are just for people who need it".
Thanks,
S
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Dr guichet took 6,000 euros from me in 2012 as a deposit then after 6 days i changed my mind and didnt want to get surgery done with him so i asked for the deposit back.
He refused and only gave me back about 2,600 back and made the excuse that his 2 emails he sent to me were worth 3,400k.
Guichet is not a stand up guy or someone to be trusted.
Hes an exploiter of LL patients.
I think you're writing this diary so you could get a discount on your second surgery. The way you speak of him is as an asvertiser.
Unicorn isnt lying and after what he done to her no one should go to him.
You should be questioning him yourself for letting you do a second surgery on your femurs bro.
Honestly bro think about it, No doctor has ever said you should do more than 7.5cms.
Think about your legs bro.
dude be happy he returned some of your money atleast, deposits are generally non refundable atleast in europe since the doc reserves you a slot for the surgery which otherwise someone else could have got.
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dude be happy he returned some of your money atleast, deposits are generally non refundable atleast in europe since the doc reserves you a slot for the surgery which otherwise someone else could have got.
Yes exactly. In 2011 it used to be 3k EUR. Not sure in other countries but in Europe asking a non-refundable deposit to start working on something is totally normal. Remember that the nail is produced upon request so this amount of money is used to cover some pre-op expenses.
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@fivetenneeded2016
No buddy , it was after 6 days and no date for surgery was booked. Anybody that defends him should be ashamed of themselves promoting a doctor that has crippled people and had the nerve to charge them for mistakes he made.
Btw also i at no point signed anything for dr guichet, I thought he was an honourable man which he turned out to not be, More like a money hungry leech.
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@simons
After 6 days? With no date for surgery or agreed date of arrival?
I can produce the excuses he made in the emails if you would like.
But i would be more concerned like i said that hes allowing you to do over 10cms on one segment bro.
Dont do this, you will regret it. Atleast do tibs.
You dont wanna end up like unicorn, You really need to rethink this.
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Discount? Dude you don't know me. ;D I spend monthly in new cars the same amount to get 60cm taller (read: several surgeries). Firstly I'm not the kind of guy to beg for discounts and then I really don't need it. The reason why I'm defending him are two: the first one is that he literally changed my life (in positive) and then for the reasons written above.
I'm sure you signed a contract and what is refundable or not is on the contract. I'm not telling you are wrong and he's right or vice versa. Maybe reading contracts can help people to avoid misunderstanding.
Regarding surgeries I think we should let the doctors decide. During my consultation (that I paid 300 EUR, would you like to see the receipt? 60 EUR of discount ... I admit it) when I asked for tibias he clearly told me "no way, tibias are take too long! tibias are just for people who need it".
Thanks,
S
@simons
You're also making it sound like you are some kind of millionare, If thats true why arean't you going to paley or doctor rozbruch?
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@simons
You're also making it sound like you are some kind of millionare, If thats true why arean't you going to paley or doctor rozbruch?
Honestly? Because I didn't know them. I went with Dr. Guichet and I'm more athletic than before. I can just say good things about him REGARDING MY CASE. I can say good things about cases that I see every day too.
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@simons
After 6 days? With no date for surgery or agreed date of arrival?
I can produce the excuses he made in the emails if you would like.
But i would be more concerned like i said that hes allowing you to do over 10cms on one segment bro.
Dont do this, you will regret it. Atleast do tibs.
You dont wanna end up like unicorn, You really need to rethink this.
I would never end up like unicorn because I follow that the doctor tells me and my bones are 3 times thicker than unicorn.
When you do a deposit for something that you'd like to do - unless differently specified - it's not refundable. It works in this way when you order a car, a surgery, a job to be done, forniture etc etc.
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Remember that the nail is produced upon request so this amount of money is used to cover some pre-op expenses.
If Guichet really claims that his nails are custom made, which they definitely aren't, that would mean this claim is made to circumvent the necessity to get a certification for his nail.
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If Guichet really claims that his nails are custom made, which they definitely aren't, that would mean this claim is made to circumvent the necessity to get a certification for his nail.
Jesus but it's possible to avoid to completely change the meaning of my words?
Done upon request means that you order it, they build or assemble it and then you get it delivery.
Custom made means that it's something "tailor made".
If you order a new car it's "done upon request". They don't create a car tailor made for you. ;D
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I would never end up like unicorn because I follow that the doctor tells me and my bones are 3 times thicker than unicorn.
When you do a deposit for something that you'd like to do - unless differently specified - it's not refundable. It works in this way when you order a car, a surgery, a job to be done, forniture etc etc.
Lets put aside what i think of guichet.
Look you are planning on doing a total of 17.5cm or something like that, There is a real possibility you could end up crippled. For your sake bro atleast do tibias, I take no pleasure in seeing someone losing their ability to walk or to live the rest of their lives in pain.
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Lets put aside what i think of guichet.
Look you are planning on doing a total of 17.5cm or something like that, There is a real possibility you could end up crippled. For your sake bro atleast do tibias, I take no pleasure in seeing someone losing their ability to walk or to live the rest of their lives in pain.
Before the first LL I had a deficit of 5cm to my femurs. I gained 7.5cm. It means that my femurs were 2.5cm longer than the "perfect ratio". With this surgery my femurs will be 12.5cm longer than the "perfect ratio" and just 3.5cm longer than the maximum "perfect range". Not a big deal.
Dude every day i spit blood (italian way to see "I work hard") to have a safe surgery by increasing my muscles and my flexibility. I take this surgery very seriously. Loosing my ability to walk isn't an option :)
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Jesus but it's possible to avoid to completely change the meaning of my words?
Done upon request means that you order it, they build or assemble it and then you get it delivery.
Custom made means that it's something "tailor made".
If you order a new car it's "done upon request". They don't create a car tailor made for you. ;D
Who would be so stupid to just make 2 of those nails at a time? The cost would be huge and for what benefit? Who would be stupid enough to believe this?
These nails are produced in bigger batches, not just 2 at a time . You are losing credibility with every new post here.
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Who would be so stupid to just make 2 of those nails at a time? The cost would be huge and for what benefit? Who would be stupid enough to believe this?
These nails are produced in bigger batches, not just 2 at a time . You are losing credibility with every new post here.
From what I remember the circumference of the nail isn't standard but it can change based on the bones. But I can be wrong about that even if I'm 99% sure to remember it.
Let me list some points:
1) Having a load of nails in my "storage" means having a huge amount of money "blocked". Companies try to avoid "blocked money" in any possible way.
2) If I have a contract with a company that I use to produce the nails, and the contract says that for each nail I have to pay them - lets say 5k - producing 1 or 100 is always 5k a nail. Obviously we can make a deal for large orders but sometimes it doesn't worth (see point 1) ).
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From what I remember the circumference of the nail isn't standard but it can change based on the bones. But I can be wrong about that even if I'm 99% sure to remember it.
Let me list some points:
1) Having a load of nails in my "storage" means having a huge amount of money "blocked". Companies try to avoid "blocked money" in any possible way.
2) If I have a contract with a company that I use to produce the nails, and the contract says that for each nail I have to pay them - lets say 5k - producing 1 or 100 is always 5k a nail. Obviously we can make a deal for large orders but sometimes it doesn't worth (see point 1) ).
These nails are by no means complicated or expensive to manufacture. The material cost for the implant steel is below 100Euro per kg.
The biggest part of manufacturing cost is the tool preparation which obviously becomes less expensive per nail the bigger the quantity produced.
Your claim is utter nonsense. The direct manufacturing cost per nail is nowhere near 5k Euro, maximum a couple of hundred.
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These nails are by no means complicated or expensive to manufacture. The material cost for the implant steel is below 100Euro per kg.
The biggest part of manufacturing cost is the tool preparation which obviously becomes less expensive per nail the bigger the quantity produced.
Your claim is utter nonsense. The direct manufacturing cost per nail is nowhere near 5k Euro, maximum a couple of hundred.
Lets say = in example. It was just an example.
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Lets put aside what i think of guichet.
Look you are planning on doing a total of 17.5cm or something like that, There is a real possibility you could end up crippled. For your sake bro atleast do tibias, I take no pleasure in seeing someone losing their ability to walk or to live the rest of their lives in pain.
Guischet seems incapable Internal tibia surgery, and Simons seems to trust him of doing femurs again
Let’s see if this Simons is a real person
I got feeling that this guy is not real
Even if he is real, he’ll face to more chance of complications with tibia surgery
Internal tibia is not any easy game for incompetent doctors
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Guischet seems incapable Internal tibia surgery, and Simons seems to trust him of doing femurs again
Let’s see if this Sumon is a real person
I got feeling that this guy is not real
Even if he is real, he’ll face to more chance of complications with tibia surgery
Internal tibia is not any easy game for incompetent doctors
Yes I'm not real :) people from this board that met me in Milan could tell you that I'm not real. Mental.
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He seems real because he posted an update in the old forum also.
@simon Whatever you decide, please keep us posted on how it all goes :) Most people here think 17.5 cm on femurs is too much (even with your initial longer tibias). It just seems like a lot. But you are already confident, so please make sure you come back and let us know how it all goes and prove us all wrong with some jaw dropping workout videos ;) I trust you will come back and let us know even if you regret it, because we are here to support each other.
Good luck!
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Simons what’s wrong with you not putting videos of you here?
Are you editing it so you’ll look prettier than real ;D ;D
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He seems real because he posted an update in the old forum also.
@simon Whatever you decide, please keep us posted on how it all goes :) Most people here think 17.5 cm on femurs is too much (even with your initial longer tibias). It just seems like a lot. But you are already confident, so please make sure you come back and let us know how it all goes and prove us all wrong with some jaw dropping workout videos ;) I trust you will come back and let us know even if you regret it, because we are here to support each other.
Good luck!
Well Dr G himself can create this fancy character called Simons :P
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@simons, Your excuse that your femurs were initially too short is no excuse, Its well known the max stretch capacity of muscles is 7.5cms regardless on wether they were short or not.
If this really is a real diary, You are not only setting a bad example for others but putting yourself at great risk and others.
No way every can your femurs handle 17.5cms of lengthening...No way.
If this is legit you are going to cripple yourself like crazy 6.
I wont post anymore on your diary bro i really hope you dont go through with this.
Mate i have done 6cms on tibias and only 4cms on femurs and my recovery is hard enough.
What you are going to do is insanity.
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Well Dr G himself can create this fancy character called Simons :P
Have met simons myself, I confirm he is real. His athletic abilites are like any normal guy.
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@simons, Your excuse that your femurs were initially too short is no excuse, Its well known the max stretch capacity of muscles is 7.5cms regardless on wether they were short or not.
If this really is a real diary, You are not only setting a bad example for others but putting yourself at great risk and others.
No way every can your femurs handle 17.5cms of lengthening...No way.
If this is legit you are going to cripple yourself like crazy 6.
I wont post anymore on your diary bro i really hope you dont go through with this.
Mate i have done 6cms on tibias and only 4cms on femurs and my recovery is hard enough.
What you are going to do is insanity.
Dude, you can't judge things like you are doing. You are not a doctor and you are not qualified for saying what you are saying.
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Have met simons myself, I confirm he is real. His athletic abilites are like any normal guy.
The person you met could be a fake patient who didn’t do CLL :P
Why he doesn’t put video promptly
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@simons
Actually i am qualified as im a LL Veteran, currently doing my recovery im also a qualified master personal trainer and im trying to stop you from doing somthing that has great potential to cripple you. I have done 2 surgeries 1 on tibia and recently femurs.
Its also not special knowledge that 7.5 is the reccomended maximum.
17.5cms is 10cms beyond the recommended and if we were going by the other benchmark of 5cms per segment then well its even worse.
On top of that dr guichet allowing it means hes really negligent and not worthy to be a medical professional.
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The person you met could be a fake patient who didn’t do CLL :P
Why he doesn’t put video promptly
And how can I show that I've done a LL? You know ... my Dr. was good enough to make me walk :)
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@simons
Actually i am qualified as im a LL Veteran, currently doing my recovery im also a qualified master personal trainer and im trying to stop you from doing somthing that has great potential to cripple you. I have done 2 surgeries 1 on tibia and recently femurs.
Its also not special knowledge that 7.5 is the reccomended maximum.
17.5cms is 10cms beyond the recommended and if we were going by the other benchmark of 5cms per segment then well its even worse.
On top of that dr guichet allowing it means hes really negligent and not worthy to be a medical professional.
Since you are veteran you should open your studio and maybe why not doing surgery yourself? I'm kidding :D
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Simons I’m a big fun of you waiting to see you walking running making quick turns on your video :-*
You said you’ll put videos here man
No need to edit your pretty legs
If not you are just fancying us
How much you get from Dr G for marketing
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7CoqMIzZg
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Simons I’m a big fun of you waiting to see you walking running making quick turns on your video :-*
You said you’ll put videos here man
No need to edit your pretty legs
If not you are just fancying us
How much you get from Dr G for marketing
How much do I get from Dr G? The fact that I can perform all the actions you saw in the video and even more is enough as compensation :)
I can't do more at home. If you'd like to see more movements or exercises please make me a list :)
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Simons thank u for video with your pretty legs ;D
I’d like lots of your video mainly walking and running in some distance
Also look forward the videos of next 10cm on femurs ;D
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Simons thank u for video with your pretty legs ;D
I’d like lots of your video mainly walking and running in some distance
Also look forward the videos of next 10cm on femurs ;D
I hope that now you can understand that:
1) I'm not paid by Dr G to say good things
2) I'm really really doubtful about all the story about Unicorn
3) My legs are totally normal
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7CoqMIzZg
In all honesty after 7 years i wouldnt expect any less, you did 7.5cms but to add another 10cms is extreamly wrong for you. You will definetely run into complications during and after your lengthening.
For you to say you are doubtful of unicorns experience with guichet is quite disingenuous and one of the main reasons people are upset with you.
Excuse me for posting so much on your diary but just take this as a note, After this if you do go through with another 10cms on femurs and suffer massive complications even such as pain for the rest of your life you wont be able to say you were not warned.
I genuinely dont want you to destroy your legs regardless of what you say about unicorn and that you defend dr Guichet after his fraud and scaming actions towards us.
Theres a chance once you reach 10cms you will begin to realise how big a mistake you are making . You dont seem to realize that even another 4cms in the same segnent might also do a large amount over streatching of joints placing too much inwards or pulling pressure on the hip and knee joints and also pain on your quadriceps and hamstrings origin and insertion points on your bones.
The safest thing to do is to do another 5cms on tibias and possibly not with Dr Guichet because he seems like he doesnt have the confidence to do tibias.
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In all honesty after 7 years i wouldnt expect any less, you did 7.5cms but to add another 10cms is extreamly wrong for you. You will definetely run into complications during and after your lengthening.
For you to say you are doubtful of unicorns experience with guichet is quite disingenuous and one of the main reasons people are upset with you.
Excuse me for posting so much on your diary but just take this as a note, After this if you do go through with another 10cms on femurs and suffer massive complications even such as pain for the rest of your life you wont be able to say you were not warned.
I genuinely dont want you to destroy your legs regardless of what you say about unicorn and that you defend dr Guichet after his fraud and scaming actions towards us.
Theres a chance once you reach 10cms you will begin to realise how big a mistake you are making . You dont seem to realize that even another 4cms in the same segnent might also do a large amount over streatching of joints placing too much inwards pressure on the hip and knee joints and also pain on your quadriceps and hamstrings origin and insertion points on your bones.
At least I'm the only one posting real proves here. People are upset with me? Their problem. I'm taller and I can walk. One picture (or video) worths 1 thousands words.
Since you are a veteran and you consider yourself expert enough to give advices that just doctors could give. Why you don't post a video of you? Are you able to walk? Are you able to jump? Are you able to run? Just a little video. Don't be shy :)
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At least I'm the only one posting real proves here. People are upset with me? Their problem. I'm taller and I can walk. One picture (or video) worths 1 thousands words.
Since you are a veteran and you consider yourself expert enough to give advices that just doctors could give. Why you don't post a video of you? Are you able to walk? Are you able to jump? Are you able to run? Just a little video. Don't be shy :)
I have done 6cms tibias 6 years ago and i am now 2 months post lengtheing. So you do understand i am in the begining stages of my second surgeries recovery. Not 7 years post like your video.
I dont want to compete but i actually went back to boxing and full gym exercises after my first recovery not just a few step ups on a chair and the river dance that you just did. And as i said i am 2 months into my recovery not 7 years post like you.
Since you are deciding to get arrogant, Mark my words if you do another 10cms on tibias you will be lucky if you ever walk normal again or without pain.
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I have done 6cms tibias 6 years ago and i am now 2 months post lengtheing. So you do understand i am in the begining stages of my second surgeries recovery. Not 7 years post like your video.
I dont want to compete but i actually went back to boxing and full gym exercises after my first recovery not just a few step ups on a chair and the river dance that you just did. And as i said i am 2 months into my recovery not 7 years post like you.
Since you are deciding to get arrogant, Mark my words if you do another 10cms on tibias you will be lucky if you ever walk normal again or without pain.
I see every day a patient doing his second LL on femurs. First time he got 7cm (from what I remember) this time he wants 10cm. He is really happy with no pain. We laugh a lot at the gym and he's in a really good mood.
I'm not arrogant. Well maybe yes but believe me, I'm really helpful with people. I just hate when somebody jumps into a discussion trying to educate other people. You talk like you know everything while you have just done a LL and you are at your second stage. So we are at the same step.
Don't you think we should leave doctors telling us what we should or we shouldn't do?
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I see every day a patient doing his second LL on femurs. First time he got 7cm (from what I remember) this time he wants 10cm. He is really happy with no pain. We laugh a lot at the gym and he's in a really good mood.
I'm not arrogant. Well maybe yes but believe me, I'm really helpful with people. I just hate when somebody jumps into a discussion trying to educate other people. You talk like you know everything while you have just done a LL and you are at your second stage. So we are at the same step.
Don't you think we should leave doctors telling us what we should or we shouldn't do?
First of all you defend a Doctor that has crippled Unicorn and after he charged her for his nails own short comings. It was entirely his fault and he charged her to fix complications which were his fault. Again you defend a doctor that basically scams people out of money aswell.
Secondly we are not at the same stage, I am in the recovery of my second surgery and have experienced all the pain and hardships that a second surgery entails.
You are yet to go through that and with my knowledge i was trying to save you from pain and complications however you are taking it as a competition.
If i found a second lengthening hard on a different segment femurs as i done tibias before, Then you adding 10cms on femurs again will be even harder as the body can only handle so much.
Thirdly i am 3rd and 4th stage qualified personal trainer , so we are not the same.
You want to destroy your legs go right ahead.
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First of all you defend a Doctor that has crippled Unicorn and after he charged her for his nails own short comings. It was entirely his fault and he charged her to fix complications which were his fault. Again you defend a doctor that basically scams people out of money aswell.
Secondly we are not at the same stage, I am in the recovery of my second surgery and have experienced all the pain and hardships that a second surgery entails.
You are yet to go through that and with my knowledge i was trying to save you from pain and complications however you are taking it as a competition.
If i found a second lengthening hard on a different segment femurs as i done tibias before, Then you adding 10cms on femurs again will be even harder as the body can only handle so much.
Thirdly i am 3rd and 4th stage qualified personal trainer , so we are not the same.
You want to destroy your legs go right ahead.
Ok, you are right! I won't walk anymore and probably I will die :)
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I hope that now you can understand that:
1) I'm not paid by Dr G to say good things
2) I'm really really doubtful about all the story about Unicorn
3) My legs are totally normal
Oh Simons how come you cannot be more compassionate to others suffering complications
She’s been showing her X-rays videos everything, it’s very obvious she was put wrong size nails
Imagine the hell she had to go though when huge nail broke her bone and suddenly lost 7cm she had lengthened
If you are real gentleman leave her alone and don’t mess with her
I hope you gain 10more cm safely Good luck man ;)
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Oh Simons how come you cannot be more compassionate to others suffering complications
She’s been showing her X-rays videos everything, it’s very obvious she was put wrong size nails
Imagine the hell she had to go though when huge nail broke her bone and suddenly lost 7cm she had lengthened
If you are real gentleman leave her alone and don’t mess with her
I hope you gain 10more cm safely Good luck man ;)
Thanks for the wishes. I'll keep this diary update. Hopefully we will start all pre-op tests the next week.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6OK85Eym0
Pre-op stretching in order to increase the flexibility of the legs. We need 130-140° in order to achieve the result we want to achieve.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOM-xZU7EHI
Me lifting 28kg x 2 (56kg total). It was the last exercises of the session so I was really tired. Even it seems I lift the weight with the arms, the weight is on the legs.
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Nice videos simons,
Can you post of a video of doing full deep squats?
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Nice videos simons,
Can you post of a video of doing full deep squats?
Sure! I'll do that on Thursday when the main trainer would come back from vacation. I will have another video of a patient who went back home yesterday walking without crutches after one week from the last click.
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Thank you for your videos Simons. Its always encouraging to see post op videos of LL patients. If you are determined to go on with a second surgery, I wish you best of luck my friend :)
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Thank you for your videos Simons. Its always encouraging to see post op videos of LL patients. If you are determined to go on with a second surgery, I wish you best of luck my friend :)
It's to show something positive and not always problems over problems.
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What kind of videos would like to see? Make me a list so I can produce them during the next week!
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im a long time lurker, but I just registered to request a video.
Do you mind showing how high you can jump?
Also if can squat as far as possible.
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im a long time lurker, but I just registered to request a video.
Do you mind showing how high you can jump?
Also if can squat as far as possible.
I tell you that I can do 80 squat reps with 15kg sandbag. Will see next week what I achieve. Actually I'm lifting 45kg squat.
Oh, I can do burpees. I'm not a pro at it. So be gentle when you will watch the video lol.
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March 6th 2019 update
Gym is going well. Yesterday on the leg press - isolating the quadriceps - I managed to lift 171kg (the machine is set in pounds) with each leg alone.
I'm a sort of experiment for the training staff because they can perform a sort of "full training path" with me. I have no problem with time or location because I live in Milan. So we are investing lots of time and efforts on the training.
I'll try to do some videos today or tomorrow.
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Please make a deep squat video with barbell if you can. Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW_C1A-rejs
Also a box jump if you can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxldG9FX4j4
I'm really interested in this diary, you are aiming to push through known limits through hard work and training. Hope it all turns good! :)
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March 6th 2019 update
Gym is going well. Yesterday on the leg press - isolating the quadriceps - I managed to lift 171kg (the machine is set in pounds) with each leg alone.
I'm a sort of experiment for the training staff because they can perform a sort of "full training path" with me. I have no problem with time or location because I live in Milan. So we are investing lots of time and efforts on the training.
I'll try to do some videos today or tomorrow.
Simons - thanks for posting your videos.
I want to be honest and I really do not mean to rude but 177cm is 5ft10 and from the videos you do look shorter than that. I'm not sure if it is your arm length or because your t shirt is very tight (in the gym video). Let me know your thoughts please.
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Simons - thanks for posting your videos.
I want to be honest and I really do not mean to rude but 177cm is 5ft10 and from the videos you do look shorter than that. I'm not sure if it is your arm length or because your t shirt is very tight (in the gym video). Let me know your thoughts please.
I think it's quite impossible to determinate the height of somebody without any landmark. Believe or not I'm 177.5 cm.
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Please make a deep squat video with barbell if you can. Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW_C1A-rejs
Also a box jump if you can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxldG9FX4j4
I'm really interested in this diary, you are aiming to push through known limits through hard work and training. Hope it all turns good! :)
Hey thanks for the videos, I'll make sure to take a video tomorrow with both exercises.
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Good luck Siamon
Femur lengthening I've heard is hard as hell but it looks like it wasn't that hard for you if you're prepared to round #2 it
I'm gonna support you regardless of what happens. If Guichet destroys you, I will support you mentally still and if all works out I will still support you and be happy for you.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7CoqMIzZg
Nice moves Simon. Btw, shouldnt your title reflect Diary - Internal femurs Dr.Guichet - March 2019 - Milan (second lengthening) instead of Jan 2018? Er..i read somewhere you are planning for it to be somewhere in march depending on feasibility. ???
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Nice moves Simon. Btw, shouldnt your title reflect Diary - Internal femurs Dr.Guichet - March 2019 - Milan (second lengthening) instead of Jan 2018? Er..i read somewhere you are planning for it to be somewhere in march depending on feasibility. ???
Ouch, thanks for letting me know! I didn't noticed that year at all :o
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Hey Simons.
Have some updates with Guichet ? How IS your ll process ??
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Hey simons,
How are you? If you're getting the surgery again, and if it's ok with you, please post those videos of squats and high jumps if you've recorded them. I'm really curious to understand the athletic offset this operation results in. Particularly if you do another round we'd be able to progressively see how it changes
Good luck with your second surgery, please write a diary. Cheers :)
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Simons - thanks for posting your videos.
I want to be honest and I really do not mean to rude but 177cm is 5ft10 and from the videos you do look shorter than that. I'm not sure if it is your arm length or because your t shirt is very tight (in the gym video). Let me know your thoughts please.
Yea he doesnt look 5'10 or 177cms, He might be but in video looks 5'7 to 5'8
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Pre-op stretching in order to increase the flexibility of the legs. We need 130-140° in order to achieve the result we want to achieve.
20 Hours Club ;)
Are you training with Christian?
Did you decide when you will do the surgery?
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Yea he doesnt look 5'10 or 177cms, He might be but in video looks 5'7 to 5'8
You were fortunate enough to get a great result 7 years ago. Why the fk would you risk breaking and stretching out your legs again? Doesn't the fact that after 7 years you're still not happy give off warning bells? Guichet should be sending you to a psychologist, not taking your money again. 177.5 is a great height.
You're chasing an ideal that doesn't exist. This is all a huge cope. You need to do some serious and honest and probably painful self reflecting if you ever want to find peace. It hurts - I hate it, it can be shattering, but unless you do you'll keep chasing this insane idea that a few more cm will make you happy.
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You were fortunate enough to get a great result 7 years ago. Why the fk would you risk breaking and stretching out your legs again? Doesn't the fact that after 7 years you're still not happy give off warning bells? Guichet should be sending you to a psychologist, not taking your money again. 177.5 is a great height.
You're chasing an ideal that doesn't exist. This is all a huge cope. You need to do some serious and honest and probably painful self reflecting if you ever want to find peace. It hurts - I hate it, it can be shattering, but unless you do you'll keep chasing this insane idea that a few more cm will make you happy.
I tried to tell him for his own good but he wouldnt listen, I tried to advise him to atleast do it on his tibias as the femurs musculature will not be able to safely stretch past his previous lengthening of 7.5cms without suffering a complication such as a really really long painful recovery, Lots and lots of pain, early arthritis and permanent life long pain.
There is reason Doctors and with all of their case studies do not reccommend going more than 7.5cms and somw even saying not more than 5cms per segment.
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Hey Simons.
Have some updates with Guichet ? How IS your ll process ??
Hey, it's all good. Still alive and doing well. Surgery booked for mid of June.
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Yea he doesnt look 5'10 or 177cms, He might be but in video looks 5'7 to 5'8
Actually I'm not 177 you are right, I'm 177.5.
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You were fortunate enough to get a great result 7 years ago. Why the fk would you risk breaking and stretching out your legs again? Doesn't the fact that after 7 years you're still not happy give off warning bells? Guichet should be sending you to a psychologist, not taking your money again. 177.5 is a great height.
You're chasing an ideal that doesn't exist. This is all a huge cope. You need to do some serious and honest and probably painful self reflecting if you ever want to find peace. It hurts - I hate it, it can be shattering, but unless you do you'll keep chasing this insane idea that a few more cm will make you happy.
Fortune doesn't exist. Hard work and determination both exist. I had an ideal height in my mind and the only way to reach it would have by with two surgeries. I had a deficit of 5cm in my femurs. Considering the ratio between tibia a femur is like I have increased the length of my femurs of 2cm.
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20 Hours Club ;)
Are you training with Christian?
Did you decide when you will do the surgery?
Yes, mid of June. Did we meet at the gym? Can't remember.
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Actually I'm not 177 you are right, I'm 177.5.
You might be but don't look it, Look like 175 tops.
And I hope you have charged your mind on doing femurs again. It's too much for femurs to handle.
For your own good, Dr guichet doesnt care about you man.
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You might be but don't look it, Look like 175 tops.
And I hope you have charged your mind on doing femurs again. It's too much for femurs to handle.
For your own good, Dr guichet doesnt care about you man.
Ok, I respect your point :)
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Did you do the second surgery?
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Regarding surgeries I think we should let the doctors decide.
Fortune doesn't exist. Hard work and determination both exist. I had an ideal height in my mind and the only way to reach it would have by with two surgeries. I had a deficit of 5cm in my femurs. Considering the ratio between tibia a femur is like I have increased the length of my femurs of 2cm.
Hi simons
How are you doing? I normally don't really discourage anyone to go through CLL since I understand how they feel and did CLL. However, your case seems to be too much extreme in that 7.5 cm in femurs by the first surgery which was done successfully, fortunately, and another 10 cm in the same femurs by the second surgery which is planned now. In this case you will get 17.5 cm longer femurs than what you had prior to the surgery.
As far as I know, you claim that your femurs were 5 cm shorter than tibias, which I think is hard to believe. Of course you could have had an unusual developmental discrepancy, but 5 cm shorter femurs are very very rare. Even in that case, suppose your proportion may look not bad but gaining 17.5 cm in the segment is absolutely too much.
First of all, you have a high chance of giving up before you reach 10 cm, which is sort of good though.
Second, you will have a high risk of complication, if you push that much. Your recovery will be extraordinarily long.
Third, even if you had 5 cm shorter femurs prior to the surgery, after 17.5 cm gaining you will have 12.5 cm longer femurs which is really not biometrically acceptable. Your athletic ability will drop huge amount just simply due to unnatural proportion, even if you don't have any complication. This will also increase a risk of arthritis or any sort of health problem.
You said "Regarding surgeries I think we should let the doctors decide.", which is right! The thing is you only asked Dr. G. This surgery is not trivial so you should have consultation with at least one or two more Drs. If all three or at least two agreed your plan, go for it! However, I guarantee no doctor will recommend your plan due to the reasons I just mentioned and probably more. If you really want to gain more height, you should consider tibias. Although you may not be able to gain 10 cm in tibia, about 7 cm is doable. Longer tibias will look better and biometrically adapt better. Plus, your tibias never have the surgery so they will tolerate better than your femurs which had already 7.5 cm lengthening.
Lastly, you said "Fortune doesn't exist. Hard work and determination both exist." This is sort of true and I want to believe it is true. However, a lot of time hard work and determination still can't overcome some limitation, unfortunately. Our body naturally has some limitation whether you want to admit or not.
Sorry, if you feel my writing is educational. I certainly do not have any intention to give you any education. I may not be good at writing. But hope you reconsider your plan.
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Did you do the second surgery?
Not yet. Mid of June (2019).
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Hi simons
How are you doing? I normally don't really discourage anyone to go through CLL since I understand how they feel and did CLL. However, your case seems to be too much extreme in that 7.5 cm in femurs by the first surgery which was done successfully, fortunately, and another 10 cm in the same femurs by the second surgery which is planned now. In this case you will get 17.5 cm longer femurs than what you had prior to the surgery.
As far as I know, you claim that your femurs were 5 cm shorter than tibias, which I think is hard to believe. Of course you could have had an unusual developmental discrepancy, but 5 cm shorter femurs are very very rare. Even in that case, suppose your proportion may look not bad but gaining 17.5 cm in the segment is absolutely too much.
First of all, you have a high chance of giving up before you reach 10 cm, which is sort of good though.
Second, you will have a high risk of complication, if you push that much. Your recovery will be extraordinarily long.
Third, even if you had 5 cm shorter femurs prior to the surgery, after 17.5 cm gaining you will have 12.5 cm longer femurs which is really not biometrically acceptable. Your athletic ability will drop huge amount just simply due to unnatural proportion, even if you don't have any complication. This will also increase a risk of arthritis or any sort of health problem.
You said "Regarding surgeries I think we should let the doctors decide.", which is right! The thing is you only asked Dr. G. This surgery is not trivial so you should have consultation with at least one or two more Drs. If all three or at least two agreed your plan, go for it! However, I guarantee no doctor will recommend your plan due to the reasons I just mentioned and probably more. If you really want to gain more height, you should consider tibias. Although you may not be able to gain 10 cm in tibia, about 7 cm is doable. Longer tibias will look better and biometrically adapt better. Plus, your tibias never have the surgery so they will tolerate better than your femurs which had already 7.5 cm lengthening.
Lastly, you said "Fortune doesn't exist. Hard work and determination both exist." This is sort of true and I want to believe it is true. However, a lot of time hard work and determination still can't overcome some limitation, unfortunately. Our body naturally has some limitation whether you want to admit or not.
Sorry, if you feel my writing is educational. I certainly do not have any intention to give you any education. I may not be good at writing. But hope you reconsider your plan.
Thanks for your reply. I respect your opinions. Just a couple of things:
1. I have never said I had femurs 5cm shorter than tibias. I said that considering the ideal ratio between tibias and femurs, my femurs were 5cm shorter than this ideal ratio. My femurs have been longer than tibias even before the first surgery.
2. Gaining 10cm is not mandatory. I will see daily the result.
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Thanks for your reply. I respect your opinions. Just a couple of things:
1. I have never said I had femurs 5cm shorter than tibias. I said that considering the ideal ratio between tibias and femurs, my femurs were 5cm shorter than this ideal ratio. My femurs have been longer than tibias even before the first surgery.
2. Gaining 10cm is not mandatory. I will see daily the result.
Regarding your reply 1, the ideal, perhaps normal, ratio of tibia to femur is 0.8 in general, although some people may want to have different ratios. So since your previous femurs were actually already longer than tibias, which is quite normal, your femurs are already very longer than tibias, which may be a little off from the variation of natural ratio but within a tolerable range. If you add additional 10 cm in these long femurs, that will definitely make your femurs abnormally long.
Of course, 10 cm is not mandatory and nobody will force you to reach that goal. If you stop very early like 5 cm or less, it will be good for your body but you may be disappointed. If you go too far, for example 9-10 cm, you may be happy with gaining, but it will be bad for your body. Considering your fantastic recovery and strong determination, I am afraid you may be able to achieve quite far. Anyway, think about it one more time.
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Wait, so you did 7.5 cm on tibia Internal & you then did 8 or something on femur ?
first of all how ! & about the video you posted in the red shirt i dont understand u are showing us the scars on femur...so youve done the 17 cm lengthening already ...?
that all is by Guichet Nail or did u use precice?
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No, he did 7 cm on his femurs a couple of years ago and want to add 10 cm more to the same femur. That's crazy.
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No, he did 7 cm on his femurs a couple of years ago and want to add 10 cm more to the same femur. That's crazy.
I did 7.5cm 7 years ago to femurs. And now adding (hopefully) 10cm to femurs again.
It's not crazy because everybody is different. My legs are different than yours. Considering an ideal ratio between tibia and femur, i had a deficit of 5cm to both femurs. So actually my femurs are 2.5cm longer than the ideal ratio and totally into the ratio considered "normal". So basically it's like I have never done any LL.
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Well, I'll not patronize you. If that's what you want, go for it. It's your life.
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Well, I'll not patronize you. If that's what you want, go for it. It's your life.
I was simply trying to explain bit more for people who will read this discussion. I see too many "doctors" here (I'm not talking about you) sentencing what is good and what is bad. Then I saw some pics in their diaries and the scars shocked me (in a bad way). The butcher around the corner does a better job. But they are totally fine with them because they saved money by going in 3rd world countries. So I'm wondering about their method to judge and sentence other ppl results and reasons.
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I was simply trying to explain bit more for people who will read this discussion. I see too many "doctors" here (I'm not talking about you) sentencing what is good and what is bad. Then I saw some pics in their diaries and the scars shocked me (in a bad way). The butcher around the corner does a better job. But they are totally fine with them because they saved money by going in 3rd world countries. So I'm wondering about their method to judge and sentence other ppl results and reasons.
This is your Dr guichets nail, Do you not get scared maybe this can happen to you?
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41046520/868eeaad-8722-4c77-bcf9-d0b00a172992.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41045841/IMG_2486.png.html
You know Dr guichet does not admit his mistakes and will blame you and make you pay for his mistakes. Look at it, his nail broke on unicorn and he did not fix her and blamed her for his nail breaking.
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This is your Dr guichets nail, Do you not get scared maybe this can happen to you?
You know Dr guichet does not admit his mistakes and will blame you and make you pay for his mistakes. Look at it, his nail broke on unicorn and he did not fix her and blamed her for his nail breaking.
What happened between Dr Guichet and Unicorn is not my business. This diary is about my LL and my only business is what happened between Dr Guichet and me. And I'm a satisfied customer. That's all for me.
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I'm telling you this because I believe you are a high risk of complications and I don't want something to happen to you then guichet asking for and another 20k or even worse blaming it on you and abandoning you like he did to unicorn.
Also if you really are 177cms I really do think you don't need this surgery.
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I'm telling you this because I believe you are a high risk of complications and I don't want something to happen to the guichet asking for and other 20k or even worse blaming it on you and abandoning you like he did to unicorn.
Also if you really are 177cms I really do think you don't need this surgery.
I had a Dr. G patient who did 8.5cm the first time and 9cm this time in front of me for two months. He was totally fine. The same happened another patient.
1. You are not concerned about my surgery. You simply use my discussion in order to blackmail Dr Guichet.
2. I don't have access to private dossiers of Dr. Guichet and I think you don't have access as well. You are judging just by reading one bell. I usually prefer to hear two bells.
3. Back in this discussion you accused me of lying about my height because in my video to your eyes I didn't look 177.5 but 175. Are you serious? Are you able to see the difference of 2.5cm in a video? What's your nick name? Ruler?
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I didnt accuse you of lying buddy i said you didn't look 177cms.
I'm trying to blackmail guichet? Hows that?
Am I asking him for money?
Let me tell you something. Back when I did my first lengthening i had a diary on the old forum, Did you know Dr guichet used to pay sys op for patients that would come to him from old forum? ( old forum )
Dr guichet asked sys op - apothesis to try and threaten me for telling peope on my diary that Dr guichet took 6,000 euros from me and did not return all of it after I decided not to do surgery with him. So I asked 5 days after I paid to have my deposit back and he did not give it back, he gave back $2,600 which only equals 1,600 Euros now.
When I noticed Dr guichet was not an honorable man I was very happy I didn't do surgery with him.
So getting back to the story, Dr guichet asked sys op - apothesis to threaten me which he then made a web page about me with all sorts of lies but guess what It didn't stop or bother me. Sys op even sent mass messages to my friends on facebook telling them I done LL...... BUT guess what again it didn't phase me as I'm extreamly mentally strong.
I will always tell the truth about Dr guichet and I have tried to warn you many times now, Since you have not listened dont complain if somthing does happen.
I hope you atleast stop after 4 or 5cms.
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I didnt accuse you of lying buddy i said you didn't look 177cms.
I'm trying to blackmail guichet? Hows that?
Am I asking him for money?
Let me tell you something. Back when I did my first lengthening i had a diary on the old forum, Did you know Dr guichet used to pay sys op for patients that would come to him from old forum? ( old forum )
Dr guichet asked sys op - apothesis to try and threaten me for telling peope on my diary that Dr guichet took 6,000 euros from me and did not return all of it after I decided not to do surgery with him. So I asked 5 days after I paid to have my deposit back and he did not give it back, he gave back $2,600 which only equals 1,600 Euros now.
When I noticed Dr guichet was not an honorable man I was very happy I didn't do surgery with him.
So getting back to the story, Dr guichet asked sys op - apothesis to threaten me which he then made a web page about me with all sorts of lies but guess what It didn't stop or bother me. Sys op even sent mass messages to my friends on facebook telling them I done LL...... BUT guess what again it didn't phase me as I'm extreamly mentally strong.
I will always tell the truth about Dr guichet and I have tried to warn you many times now, Since you have not listened dont complain if somthing does happen.
I hope you atleast stop after 4 or 5cms.
So now you are "using" the Unicorn story as a sort of revenge. Good.
To address your other points.
1. Who Dr. Guichet pays it's not my business. The general idea of paying the owner of a public space (like a forum) to send clients, in the civilized world, is called "advertisement". And that's totally fine and legal.
2. The deposit is NOT REFUNDABLE. Five minutes or five years later doesn't matter. If you change your mind you won't get your money back. If you want to get a - by law - not refundable deposit refunded ... it's your own problem.
3. You are not a doctor. I kindly hear your suggestions but your diagnosis have - to me - the same value of the diagnosis done by the baker behind the corner.
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No unicorns story serves as a reminder of how lucky I am, I didn't go to Guichet.
I sense he has given you some sort of discount otherwise you wouldnt be defending such an immoral butcher.
You are definitely receiving a kick back of some sort.
Also Ive done both surgeries and am a fully qualified Personal trainer so you can run along now with your bakers comment.
The fact is even a lay person would think lengthening the same segnent twice and at a total of 17.5cms well quite Frankly as silly and reckless.
You dont have to listen to the Baker, Go and ask any leh lengthening doctor and he will tell you that going past 7.5cms is stupid and medically not advisable.
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No unicorns story serves as a reminder of how lucky I am, I didn't go to Guichet.
I sense he has given you some sort of discount otherwise you wouldnt be defending such an immoral butcher.
You are definitely receiving a kick back of some sort.
Also Ive done both surgeries and am a fully qualified Personal trainer so you can run along now with your bakers comment.
The fact is even a lay person would think lengthening the same segnent twice and at a total of 17.5cms well quite Frankly as silly and reckless.
You dont have to listen to the Baker, Go and ask any leh lengthening doctor and he will tell you that going past 7.5cms is stupid and medically not advisable.
Unfortunately no discount. The bill was about 20k eur MORE than my last surgery.
I'm not defending anybody. You complained that you didn't get back your non-refundable deposit. I tried to explain you that a non-refundable deposit is ... not refundable. You told me that I'm 175cm and not 177.5 because you saw it in a video of mine. I kindly told you that you are wrong.
Are you a fully qualified personal trainer? Great, so you are confirming that you are not a doctor. You are not entitled to give medical advises. You know, sometimes I cook at home for my friends, it doesn't make me a Michelin starred chief. Next time I need advices about how to gain/loose weight/muscles I'll ask you. Please leave medical stuff to doctors.
Btw if you are happy with your surgery in a 3rd world country, with scars that I'd be not comfortable to have on my legs ... I'm kinda happy for you ;)
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Unfortunately no discount. The bill was about 20k eur MORE than my last surgery.
I'm not defending anybody. You complained that you didn't get back your non-refundable deposit. I tried to explain you that a non-refundable deposit is ... not refundable. You told me that I'm 175cm and not 177.5 because you saw it in a video of mine. I kindly told you that you are wrong.
Are you a fully qualified personal trainer? Great, so you are confirming that you are not a doctor. You are not entitled to give medical advises. You know, sometimes I cook at home for my friends, it doesn't make me a Michelin starred chief. Next time I need advices about how to gain/loose weight/muscles I'll ask you. Please leave medical stuff to doctors.
Btw if you are happy with your surgery in a 3rd world country, with scars that I'd be not comfortable to have on my legs ... I'm kinda happy for you ;)
Look buddy you're going to a doctor that you can see with your own eyes has literally destroyed a womans body.
Litrally made her a cripple. That's a fact.
I wouldnt be talking about 3rd world countries because I'm yet to see a case as bad as unicorns which again was by your Dr guichet from a 1st world country which makes it even worse. The proof is in the pudding im doing fine and recovering slowly but surely after 2 surgeries in INDIA!
Dont forget 1/4 of all our doctors here in Australia so I wouldn't bag them. Are you a littte racist?
You may want to take another look at unicorn, It really makes guichet look pathetic and not fit to be called a doctor.
If somthing does happen to you I'm afraid I would not have sympathy for you since you are ignoring all warnings.
I think I've warned you enough and others can see the facts regarding this doctor. If people after seeing the facts regarding guichet choose not to go to him then I am satisfied.
Look at her! So you would take the risk of this or something similar happening to you, OK.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt_KV48hMK8/?igshid=1obac77h680z8
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Look buddy you're going to a doctor that you can see with your own eyes has literally destroyed a womans body.
Litrally made her a cripple. That's a fact.
I wouldnt be talking about 3rd world countries because I'm yet to see a case as bad as unicorns which again was by your Dr guichet from a 1st world country which makes it even worse. The proof is in the pudding im doing fine and recovering slowly but surely after 2 surgeries in INDIA!
Dont forget 1/4 of all our doctors here in Australia so I wouldn't bag them. Are you a littte racist?
You may want to take another look at unicorn, It really makes guichet look pathetic and not fit to be called a doctor.
If somthing does happen to you I'm afraid I would not have sympathy for you since you are ignoring all warnings.
I think I've warned you enough and others can see the facts regarding this doctor. If people after seeing the facts regarding guichet choose not to go to him then I am satisfied.
Look at her! So you would take the risk of this or something similar happening to you, OK.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt_KV48hMK8/?igshid=1obac77h680z8
This discussion is about my diary. So please be respectful and avoid to mention in every reply the same person.
What has happened to unicorn is not business. Usually I decide when I'm able to have the whole picture in front of me. Unfortunately I haven't access to Dr.G. private dossiers about patients. Good for you if you can judge just by listening one bell. Long short story please avoid to mention other people in my diary.
You are not a doctor even if you pretend to be it. So please also avoid to suggest what is good or bad of other people. You can always tell what it has been good or bad for you.
You don't like Dr. Guichet just because he partially refunded you a non refundable deposit. Otherwise you'd have given a about him, other his patients etc etc.
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This discussion is about my diary. So please be respectful and avoid to mention in every reply the same person.
What has happened to unicorn is not business. Usually I decide when I'm able to have the whole picture in front of me. Unfortunately I haven't access to Dr.G. private dossiers about patients. Good for you if you can judge just by listening one bell. Long short story please avoid to mention other people in my diary.
You are not a doctor even if you pretend to be it. So please also avoid to suggest what is good or bad of other people. You can always tell what it has been good or bad for you.
You don't like Dr. Guichet just because he partially refunded you a non refundable deposit. Otherwise you'd have given a about him, other his patients etc etc.
1. Because he is not honourable and without integrity
2. Because he is money hungry by charging patients for the faults of his own Rod.
3. He had sys op - Apothesis threaten me and sent messages to friends on my FB because I exposed him on my old forum diary. He also encouraged sys op to make a defamation web page about myself.
4. He crippled unicorn, made her pay for his faults and abandoned her.
5. Finally the fact that he's letting you do another 10cms on 1 segment that you already lengthened 7.5cms, Shows he does not care about you at All!
So you see i had forgotten about what happened 7 years ago but when I seen what he did to unicorn it is my responsibility to tell the truth to others do he does not ruin other peoples lives.
You refuse to acknowledge what he did to unicorn so there must be a financial incentive for you the same way he is used to give sys op a percentage of each patient.
5. I tried to warn you and you got defensive mmmmm why is that ? , Highly suspicious.
6. He is letting you lenhthen femurs another 10 cms after already doing 7.5cms shows he does not care about your well being and safety at all.
We can leave it at that.
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1. Because he is not honourable and without integrity
2. Because he is money hungry by charging patients for the faults of his own Rod.
3. He had sys op - Apothesis threaten me and sent messages to friends on my FB because I exposed him on my old forum diary. He also encouraged sys op to make a defamation web page about myself.
4. He crippled unicorn, made her pay for his faults and abandoned her.
5. Finally the fact that he's letting you do another 10cms on 1 segment that you already lengthened 7.5cms, Shows he does not care about you at All!
So you see i had forgotten about what happened 7 years ago but when I seen what he did to unicorn it is my responsibility to tell the truth to others do he does not ruin other peoples lives.
You refuse to acknowledge what he did to unicorn so there must be a financial incentive for you the same way he is used to give sys op a percentage of each patient.
5. I tried to warn you and you got defensive mmmmm why is that ? , Highly suspicious.
6. He is letting you lenhthen femurs another 10 cms after already doing 7.5cms shows he does not care about your well being and safety at all.
We can leave it at that.
You are not doctor. Please do your job. Let doctors do their job. Now if you want to keep bringing on the tables the same thing please use another discussion. Not mine. Thanks.
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You are not doctor. Please do your job. Let doctors do their job. Now if you want to keep bringing on the tables the same thing please use another discussion. Not mine. Thanks.
When a so called doctor does what he did, He does not deserve his liscence and Should have his credentials taken from him.
For your information Doctors would refer patients to myself for training And recovery after injuries.
So quite frankly My opinion counts and is valued among This community and amongst Doctors. Not to say im above them but like I said they do ask me my opinion.
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When a so called doctor does what he did, He does not deserve his liscence and Should have his credentials taken from him.
For your information Doctors would refer patients to myself for training And recovery after injuries.
So quite frankly My opinion counts and is valuable .
Sue him then :o Btw I'm done with you.
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Sue him then :o Btw I'm done with you.
Not worth the headache and good for you.
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Hey, it's all good. Still alive and doing well. Surgery booked for mid of June.
so, are you undergoing 2nd LL right now? ::)