Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Doctors => Topic started by: Muse on October 15, 2013, 10:08:57 PM
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Here are the response from Dr Sarin regarding the Limb Lengthening surgery.
Note: please refer to our disclaimer about Doctors Directory http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0)
1) How many patients have you operated for cosmetic Limb Lengthening so far and How many patients do you operate yearly?
I operate on an average 40 patients per year for LL
2) What is the estimated total cost, including post-op treatments, stay, medications, physiotherapy? Are unscheduled surgeries covered and How much does a consultation cost?
Total cost at present is 17.5 K which includes every thing even complication and over stay.
3) What kind of physical therapy is assigned to the patient?
There are more than 2 physio 24/7 in the guest house .
4) What maximum amount of lengthening do you recommend per segment, regarding patient safety? What is the daily rate of lengthening?
Safely can increase 22 5 of leg length. Lengthening depends on person to person may be 1.25mm to .5 MM
5) What are your opinions regarding the weightbearing of the patients?
yes standing for at least 2 hrs a day if persons wt is less than 60KG.
6) How often will you follow up with patients during lengthening?
All patients are under strict supervision which i personally monitored and I may see person any time on basis of requirement 24/7 or at least 2 times a week . Many patient do not need much supervision after removal I may see once a week.
7) How fast can patients return to normal life (walking without support)? What is the time required to lengthen 5 cm and 7.5-8 cm ?
It will take at least 9 months till you become independent
Dr. Amar Sarin
B L Kapur Hospital/Sri Balaji Action Medical Institute
Phone: 91-0124-4041465
Email: info@drsarin.in
Web site; http://www.drsarin.in/
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Wow. Good stuff Daemon. :)
I would still like to get patient diaries after they leave the guest house so we can have an honest assessment about the treatment there. I know there was life threatening issues but several medium and small issues. Many are confused and concerned right now.
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Can you please ask him to say something about his HLN.
results of his first HLN patient?
how he has or plans to make adjustments to improve the nail?
Aprroval by government?
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Can you please ask him to say something about his HLN.
results of his first HLN patient?
how he has or plans to make adjustments to improve the nail?
Aprroval by government?
We do have some inside stuff but nothing we can confirm yet . I am sure any verified info will be posted.
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I'm happy he finally raised prices to 17,500 USD. I think this price is very reasonable as you can get plane tickets, hotels, vitamins, protein and be around 20,000 USD. What's to complain about? Anyways, just hope we can get some Indian Diaries started here.
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Hey Arche
Good luck to you. I appreciate the diaries !!! :)
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I'm really confuses.... Is Dr Sarin now a decent doctor or a horrible one?
I've seen good and bad stories about him on this site.
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I'm really confuses.... Is Dr Sarin now a decent doctor or a horrible one?
I've seen good and bad stories about him on this site.
The site's policy is not to officially endorse or invalidate doctors. You'll get a different opinion about Dr. Sarin depending on who you ask. The best way to come to a conclusion about an orthopedic surgeon is to have a direct consultation with that particular surgeon, along with other research such as patient feedback and seeing what exactly his medical background consists of.
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What is Dr Sarin's email? I've mailed him through website but doesn't get any respond...
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info@drsarin.in
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That's the email from the website; I remember on old forum that he had an another email which he actually responds to.
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That's the email he responded to me from when I asked him a question a week ago.
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He removed his email from his site a while ago.
Fill this in and you should get in contact with him: http://www.drsarin.in/contact-us.html (http://www.drsarin.in/contact-us.html)
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Ok received a reply.
He told me that 5cm in 2 months is very possible.
But then I see all these complications? Is this true or is he simply advertising?
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Don't go to Sarin, he's a butcherer. The complications and bad cases are ubiquitous. I'm in India right now and there's no collusion against him, he's just a bad doctor.
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And it seems like he thinks he coined the term, "don't worry". He said this to me when I spoke with him and it sounds like he says it to everyone else too.
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Dr sarin is not a potential doctor...he has some kind of psycho issue , his attitude is somewhat of a merciless dictator . He fked up so many patients while i was at the guest house , yeah i did my surgery with him.
He dosent care about patient . All he care is money .
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Dr sarin is not a potential doctor...he has some kind of psycho issue , his attitude is somewhat of a merciless dictator . He fked up so many patients while i was at the guest house , yeah i did my surgery with him.
He dosent care about patient . All he care is money .
Hi Crazy+6, Checkmate, LLdream, dailyuser, Claude, Gladiator2012. Nice to see you are trying out a new name on the LL Forum. This is your first post on LL Forum and this is what you decide to write. Interesting! You made a mistake on the tense and plurality of the sentence like you always do on old forum with your 6 other accounts. It's so obvious. You are trying to say "He doesn't care about patients. All he cares about is money. Everybody knows that Dr. Sarin is dangerous so you can go back to old forum and be an advertising bitch for Dr. Sringari, Sysop/Apotheosis, and old forum .
I'm not trying to be a moderator or anything here Dameon but check out his second post and it's a question about how you feel about Dr. Sringari. In my opinion this is nothing more than Crazy+6 creating more accounts on different forums. I posted a thread about Crazy+6 doing this and immediately after I created that thread all these accounts started changing their treatment of Sweden and how they posted on old forum .
Here is the thread- http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=156.0
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handy,
People may write you off as a crazy conspiracy theorist but you're very perceptive of this stuff (I noticed when they started treating Sweden differently on the forums as well). Sounds like a crazy+6 sock puppet account to me. I don't think he should be banned or censored, but it's just something good to point out.
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Hi Crazy+6, Checkmate, LLdream, dailyuser, Claude, Gladiator2012. Nice to see you are trying out a new name on the LL Forum. This is your first post on LL Forum and this is what you decide to write. Interesting! You made a mistake on the tense and plurality of the sentence like you always do on old forum with your 6 other accounts. It's so obvious. You are trying to say "He doesn't care about patients. All he cares about is money. Everybody knows that Dr. Sarin is dangerous so you can go back to old forum and be an advertising bitch for Dr. Sringari, Sysop/Apotheosis, and old forum .
I'm not trying to be a moderator or anything here Dameon but check out his second post and it's a question about how you feel about Dr. Sringari. In my opinion this is nothing more than Crazy+6 creating more accounts on different forums. I posted a thread about Crazy+6 doing this and immediately after I created that thread all these accounts started changing their treatment of Sweden and how they posted on old forum .
Here is the thread- http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=156.0
Hey handy m really happy that u are concerned about the wellness of this forum...i really appreciate the thing you are doing , i really do man!! But you are mistaken me for crazy+6 , i have met him at the guest house several time but we never really talked. I even heard crazy+6 was afraid to talk to dr sarin because of his behavior (Dictator).
I was really angry at him for introducing Dr Sarin , but no use wasting my energy instead i made peace with my self.
And about dr sringari , i saw many posts saying that he is not a potential doctor for limb lengthening. So i was just eager to get an opinion from the LL Forum admin Dameon. Ahh u can check the posts under doctors list dr sringari.
And if u still dont believe me then we can skype or something.. i really wish there were good doctors who really care for patient rather then money.
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Hey, this is ColinTheSmall. I did external tibia for 8cm with Dr Sarin in early 2013. It was rough with lots of complications but I managed to get back to work one month after frame removal and now recover. No complications nor pain, unlike Sweden. Anyway, I got banned on old forum for defending Sarin. He was a good doctor so I also planned on coming back in 2014 for internal femur.
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Hey, this is ColinTheSmall. I did external tibia for 8cm with Dr Sarin in early 2013. It was rough with lots of complications but I managed to get back to work one month after frame removal and now recover. No complications nor pain, unlike Sweden. Anyway, I got banned on old forum for defending Sarin. He was a good doctor so I also planned on coming back in 2014 for internal femur.
How can you say that , are you really colinthesmall ..@!!
i mean i saw u suffered alot under Dr Sarin and now you are saying he is a good doctor ..??
i don't understand , is this really happening ?
And you already know that his HNL internal is not successfull at all infact the patient got fked with complications and i heard
he also got 2cm discrepancy on femur if i m not wrong ..!!@
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Yeah, it's me :)
LL is a complicated surgery and I was one of the unlucky patients. Had 6 surgeries. Suffered a lot of pain, both physically and mentally. My gf also dumped me when I was at the hospital (still remember that!).
But in the end, Dr. Sarin never gave up on me and was with me through the whole ordeal. He even gave me an extra month of stay without charge. So I paid 15k (meant to be for 4 months) but I stayed 6 months. So that's why I think he was a good doctor.
People at the guesthouse knows that I wear braces. My orthodontic in Canada is worst. I went back to complain that my upper teeth being tilted to the left and he has this "fuk you attitude" on his face. And I paid him $7800 for the braces.
I also went back to working as a clerk at my company after 1 month of frame removal in July. I spend the last 6 months, going to the gym every single day. Power my way through 60 minutes of steps and other weight lifting exercises. Now I recover with no ballerina. The only thing which I havent try is hopping and running. I feel that I can begin doing these activities but I want to take an x-ray in January and let my Vancouver Orthopaedic advise me whether my bones are strong enough to do these activities.
I'm at 177cm right now but still want more height. I'm thinking of completing another LL project by the end of 2014 for another 8cm in the femur.
Oh really? I haven't been on these forum for months. Anyway, Dr. Sarin is still new to internal femur. But he is also the only doctor who would do it for 35k.
How can you say that , are you really colinthesmall ..@!!
i mean i saw u suffered alot under Dr Sarin and now you are saying he is a good doctor ..??
i don't understand , is this really happening ?
And you already know that his HNL internal is not successfull at all ..!!@
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I haven't started to work yet.
I can hop all I want and run, but it looks terrible.
I've tried to jump on one leg as far as I could but I can only jump ~10cm. Absolutely terrible!!
It's the same in both legs.
Ankles are tight as hell, especially the right one.
I'm really undecided regarding my femurs.
Maybe 2015. Maybe.....
Nice to see you doing great Colin. Cheers.
(Machine: who are you?)
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Yeah, it's me :)
LL is a complicated surgery and I was one of the unlucky patients. Had 6 surgeries. Suffered a lot of pain, both physically and mentally. My gf also dumped me when I was at the hospital (still remember that!).
If you are really colinthesmall then its good to hear that you are fine and doing well .... i m david's roommate from India if you remember , you use to come to our room...!!
well Dr Sarin may be good to you for letting you stay extra months but i don't think he is a good LL doctor because he is the reason you got complication at first and moreover its his responsibility or duty to do his job since everything is included in the package.
i don't need to explain since you already know his attitude and behavior and all the other complications the patients suffered cause of him.
well 177 cm is a good height for now and i think you should wait for some time to do your femur.
You should be more cautious since you already experienced everything the hard way.
and for your kind information , i recently met a LL doctor in delhi and i told him about Dr Sarin and Dr Sringari both and about the HNL internal nail .
well at first he said that he never heard or saw these doctor at any seminar or workshop regarding Ilizarov technique for complex trauma , limb reconstruction or deformity correction that he or any other Ilizarov specialist doctor organised in delhi or around India.
moreover , they are not even member of any Ilizarov Organisation in india that he knows of...!!
And about the internal nail , this doctor was confused and said that there are no course or study in india right now about internal nails so how come Dr Sarin is doing surgery with internal without any knowledge and he said that it is illegal and Dr Sarin could go to jail or maybe loose his license if someone does complaint against him.
and moreover he also told me that they are going to launch some kind of frame soon in india , maybe taylor spatial frame or some kinda frame i don't remember properly, but he clearly said that internal nail is out of question in india at this stage since there are no course or study in india about internal nails.
well i think he was right cause even the most prestigious LL doctor in india like Dr Mangal Parihar doesn't provide or mention internal nail at all .
anyway be careful now , don't fall for trap . After lot of struggle you have recovered well but you might get seriously injured for life if you take one wrong step thinking that Dr Sarin is providing Internal nails for cheap of which he doesn't have any knowledge or experience and moreover legality to perform the surgery ... and if anything goes wrong he will for sure turn his back without hesitation .
I saw a quote about Dr Sringari going to launch internal nail for LL soon , i m not sure how they are doing it .... but those who are real LL doctors , they openly say that they don't have any knowledge to do LL with internal nails infact there is not even a single doctor in india doing internals cause there is no study or course about internals in india ..!!
take care and think carefully .
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Nice to see you doing great Colin. Cheers.
(Machine: who are you?)
i m the mongoloid guy from india whose hash joint you smoked once if you remember .
First Danny's and then David's roommate.
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i m the mongoloid guy from india whose hash joint you smoked once if you remember .
First Danny's and then David's roommate.
Aaaaaahhhh, my man :D
Happy to see you!! Merry Xmas :)
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Hey Machine,
If you are really L****, feel free to send me a text message through facebook.
L***** was a good friend of mine and I used to come downstair to chat quite often.
It's just that L***** was from Tibet and he spoke with a broken-english accent. And I never remember him criticizing Dr. Sarin.
i m the mongoloid guy from india whose hash joint you smoked once if you remember .
First Danny's and then David's roommate.
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Hey Sweden,
Good for you man. Hope you can get back to Tae Kwon Do.
How is your proportion? I know that some people start off with a very long pair of tibias. So it may look strange.
You need to start working!! Otherwise Dr. Sarin will be your only option for femur. Haha, jk
You probably remember my name, feel free to check me up on facebook. I think I have the proportion for another 8cm. My after LL tibias look just slightly longer than some people (eg. callus) pre-LL tibias.
I'm at 177cm but everyday when I go to the gym and look into the mirror, I just think how wonderful it would be to be another 3 inches taller. So for sure, I will take another 3 months off of work in late 2014 for this LL journey. The only question will be which doctor I will do this with.
Dr. Sarin still correspond with me and congratulated me on my recovery. His internal femur is 35k.
I haven't started to work yet.
I can hop all I want and run, but it looks terrible.
I've tried to jump on one leg as far as I could but I can only jump ~10cm. Absolutely terrible!!
It's the same in both legs.
Ankles are tight as hell, especially the right one.
I'm really undecided regarding my femurs.
Maybe 2015. Maybe.....
Nice to see you doing great Colin. Cheers.
(Machine: who are you?)
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Aaaaaahhhh, my man :D
Happy to see you!! Merry Xmas :)
LOL thanks man ..!!
happy to see you too .. and belated Merry Xmas ..
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Hey Machine,
If you are really L****, feel free to send me a text message through facebook.
L***** was a good friend of mine and I used to come downstair to chat quite often.
It's just that L***** was from Tibet and he spoke with a broken-english accent. And I never remember him criticizing Dr. Sarin.
yeah i m that guy , and my ancestor are from there but i was born and raised in india so that makes me more like indian i guess and i have never been to tibet cause of strict chinese rule .
LOL do you really think my english is broken but my roommate always use to say that my english is much better then almost every indians he met in india . Whenever i try to post anything i have to recheck and do correction of sentence or spelling which i m doing right now like this :o.
Yeah you are right , i never criticized openly cause i was afraid he might do something stupid . since i m just a local guy from India he won't give a s**t , but you guys are foreigner so you guys were his ticket to $$$$$ .
and moreover i really didn't knew about the business deal and stuff until this forum was created and i was really angry .
but i was trying to watch everyone from distance and i saw lot of politics and stuff , and i understand cause everyone will try to look out for themselves first .
anyways do not just jump anywhere for gods sake ... i have done extensive research about finding a good indian doctor who really knows how to do LL at a reasonable price and by far Dr Sarin or Dr Sringari are not even colse to 50% regarding knowledge about LL and complications comparing to those real LL doctors.
rest is up to you ..!!
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Machine i really appreciate your posts. think of its like this ... you pretty much are save someone from fking up their life and future.
thanks heaps for you honesty.
could you please elaborate more on the patients with complications please and what sarin does when he realise the complication
also do you remember danny ?? was he in the good ot bad list ?
thanks again
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Machine i really appreciate your posts. think of its like this ... you pretty much are save someone from f**king up their life and future.
thanks heaps for you honesty.
could you please elaborate more on the patients with complications please and what sarin does when he realise the complication
also do you remember danny ?? was he in the good ot bad list ?
thanks again
Thanks for the appreciation and support , i really needed this for sometime now :)
In the link below you will know exactly what happend in detail at the Sarin guest house ...!!
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5.0
Danny was straight forward and a cool guy , we were roommates for almost 15 to 20 days before he left for home .
i had small piece of hash that time and we shared few joints also, it was fun ..!!
As i recall , i think he wanted to lengthen around 7 cm but he had to stop at 6cm cause of some nerve issue .
later i heard he was doing fine .. so i guess he is in the good list ..!!
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Thanks for the appreciation and support , i really needed this for sometime now :)
You need someone's appreciation and support? Is your goal here is to try and defame/destroy Dr. Sarin's reputation?
Anyway, I don't think you are L*****, Danny's and D****'s roommate. I asked you to send me a message through facebook to confirm but yet have receive any message from you. You got caught lying. You're not L*****.. because...
1. You said we smoked pot together. I did smoked pot with a lot of people at the guesthouse and spoke about it. But I never smoked pot with L*****.
2. I just chatted with Danny on facebook yesterday. I know that there are some ex patients who are anti-sarin but Danny is one patient who is loyal to Dr. Sarin. He is also planning on returning for femur in 2014 like me.
3. L**** used to be a quiet guy who watch indian TV all day. It's quite shocking that he suddenly became articulate online activist against Dr. Sarin.
Okay, I do believe that you may be a former patient or someone who has worked at the guesthouse since you have many knowledge about us. But I don't get why you don't confess who you really are but have to pretend to be someone who you are not.
I have my doubts because I, and other Sarins' patients, were banned on old forum for defending Dr. Sarin.
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You need someone's appreciation and support? Is your goal here is to try and defame/destroy Dr. Sarin's reputation?
Anyway, I don't think you are L*****, Danny's and D****'s roommate. I asked you to send me a message through facebook to confirm but yet have receive any message from you. You got caught lying. You're not L*****.. because...
1. You said we smoked pot together. I did smoked pot with a lot of people at the guesthouse and spoke about it. But I never smoked pot with L*****.
2. I just chatted with Danny on facebook yesterday. I know that there are some ex patients who are anti-sarin but Danny is one patient who is loyal to Dr. Sarin. He is also planning on returning for femur in 2014 like me.
3. L**** used to be a quiet guy who watch indian TV all day. It's quite shocking that he suddenly became articulate online activist against Dr. Sarin.
Okay, I do believe that you may be a former patient or someone who has worked at the guesthouse since you have many knowledge about us. But I don't get why you don't confess who you really are but have to pretend to be someone who you are not.
I have my doubts because I, and other Sarins' patients, were banned on old forum for defending Dr. Sarin.
LOL ;D ;D ;D i know who i m ... you are really very suspicious guy . anyway everyone needs appreciation and support when they are doing something right and i thought you will understand more then anyone else since you suffered alot at the guesthouse , and if you think writing 100% truth about this doctor as well as the LL program , i m destroying/defaming his reputation then i have no choice but to accept it .
And if you are really colinthesmall then i remember you were not found of Dr Sarin b4 , but now all of a sudden this change in prospective is really confusing .
I didn't thought it was necessary to confirm who i m to you and based on not sending msg on FB you are accusing me of lying lol ... if you really want to know who i m just call David and ask who is machine , i talked to him just now.
1. I never mention we smoked hash joint together , i said danny and me smoked few joints . by the way hash and weed are different
though they come from same origin Cannabis Sativa (Marijuana) . i m not a regular smoker but i think you smoked weed and i do
not smoke indian weed . you should read my previous quote again carefully .
2. Most of the ex-patients are anti-Sarin but i don't know about Danny being loyal to Dr. Sarin cause we only shared room for about
15 to 20 days and most of the time he was out hanging around but i remember clearly that he said he was never going to come to
india again . Anyhow if you guys really want to go for femur then its your life , all i could say is GOOD LUCK .
3. yeah lol i use to watch TV all day thats true , my roommate sleep schedule was different then mine so i always use to watch TV
when i was alone , i don't remember we talking that much so you cannot judge my personality or character .
LL Forum is the forum where you will see more and more shocking news and truth .
You just joined here 2 days back so i suggest you should go through all the topics first .
If you still do not believe me then we can skype , pm me your id . anyways , it is really shocking to see that you have changed your prospective towards Dr Sarin , i really sympathized when you were suffering alot during your complications .
i think you should go through this thread to refresh your memory
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5.0
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Hey, I was overly suspicious b/c Crazy 6 has been creating all these fake accounts. But D**** has confirmed that you are L*****. My bad!
So what happened to you? I thought you had 3-4cm when I left and you had no complication. I didn't know that you would be hiding your grudges against Dr. Sarin for all these times I visited your room. You never spoke up... so now I was shocked to see all this coming from you. I always complained but you never joined in... until now.
Yeah, I thought Dr. Sarin was an honorable man. I have no reason to hate him anymore. I have recovered, no pain, no ballerina, 3 inches taller, and could lift heavy weights and perform other extrenuous exercises. So basically, I'm just waiting for January to come so I can take an x-ray and ask my orthopaedic's opinion to see if my bones are strong enough so I can start running and jumping again. Dr. Sarin also told me the manufacture of the rod. So I can have the rod remove in Canada by another orthopaedic surgeon for free.
I still keep a picture of my ex (the picture I showed you) in my iphone to remind myself that I need to better myself. So that's why I need to lengthen another 8cm in the femur in 2014.
But it's great knowing you are L***** and are legit and not one of crazy's 6 fake account.
LOL ;D ;D ;D i know who i m ... you are really very suspicious guy . anyway everyone needs appreciation and support when they are doing something right and i thought you will understand more then anyone else since you suffered alot at the guesthouse , and if you think writing 100% truth about this doctor as well as the LL program , i m destroying/defaming his reputation then i have no choice but to accept it .
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Hey, I was overly suspicious b/c Crazy 6 has been creating all these fake accounts. But D**** has confirmed that you are L*****. My bad!
So what happened to you? I thought you had 3-4cm when I left and you had no complication. I didn't know that you would be hiding your grudges against Dr. Sarin for all those times I visit your room. You never speak up... so now I was shocked to see this coming from you. I always complained but you never join in... until now.
Yeah, I thought Dr. Sarin was an honorable man. I have no reason to dislike him anymore. I have recovered, no pain, no ballerina, 3 inches taller, and could lift heavy weights and perform other extrenuous exercises. So basically, I'm just waiting for January to come so I can take an x-ray and ask my orthopaedic's opinion to see if my bones are strong enough so I can start running and jumping again. Dr. Sarin also told me of the make of the rod. So I can have the rod remove in Canada by another orthopaedic for free.
I still keep a picture of my ex (the picture I showed you) in my iphone to remind myself that I need to better myself. So that's why I need to lengthen another 8cm in the femur in 2014.
But it's great knowing you are L***** and legit and not one of crazy's 6 fake account.
yeah , i was also bit suspicious that you are not C**** cause i really thought that C**** was anti Dr Sarin since he suffered alot under him but now i see that you have started to like him cause you have recovered well and planning to go back again for femur in 2014 , good luck with that . but still i do not recommend Dr Sarin or Dr Sringari to anyone because of many reasons .
Yeah i was around 3 to 4 cm when you left and i had no complication and you also know that so i had no reason to complain while you were there . i remember you complained about food and you asked everyone's opinion about the food , well i told you i was ok with any decision you take .
Initially i did not have any grudge against him , i thought he was a good doctor that is why i did my surgery with him .
Limb Lengthening is a lengthy process , so gradually i came to know about his reckless attitude and all the bull he was selling .
from staff to the patient , everyone did not like him .. why !! did anyone say anything , no !!
when you visited my room i had no complication so i had no reason to speak up , i had my complication after 7cm thats when i told Dr Sarin lot of times but he never gave me a answer . i had to visit another real LL doctor with D**** few times , why would i waste my money to go to another doctor since i paid Dr Sarin to take care of me and so i don't think he is an honorable man . not even me , many patients went to another doctor for consultation cause they were afraid , Ask D**** about it.
you said he gave you discount to stay at the guest house for free that is why you think he is a good man in your previous quote.
well , he also gave me a discount since i m from india . i paid around 12000$ but still i don't consider him as a good doctor and i have my own reasons.
yeah i remember i saw the picture of your ex but i m sorry its all blurr in my memory , anyway its good to see that are always think to better yourself , that is what D**** taught me while i was his roommate . i owe him too much for giving me great knowledge about life , i was really stupid before i met D**** . he said i should stand up for what is right ..!!
Its really good to know that you have recovered well and you are happy .
crazy+6 , SysOp , Dr Sarin are poor souls who have booked their tickets to HELL.
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Do you have any idea how benevolent our medical system is towards idiots like us who wiLL Forumully deform our legs and need secondary treatment?
I heard they take care of complications within reason.thanks.
Actually, our heathcare system is quite generous. When I came back, I switched family doctor. I know the one that I had would think that I was crazy for doing this to myself. He was a viet man, about 5'2, and believe everything should be natural. He thought I was suicidal for asking for sleeping pill once. So I switched to an Iranian family doctor who was sympathetic to my cause. He referred me to an Orthopaedic at the General Hospital. The orthopaedic wasn't going to take my case but I told him about my story.
I was born and raised in Canada. I was a Canadian child. Went through the education system and paid taxes yearly. Unfortunately, my parents were from another country where the average height was extremely low. So I grew up short in a world of tall people. So that's why I had to do this surgery. And even though I gain height, I'm still below average height so I wasn't being greedy. So he took on my case. That was when I returned in a wheelchair and thought I could never walk again. Luckily, I recover so I don't need to do anything any longer but he is still there to help.
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You don't need physical therapy??
I'm planned for another 8 months. Somehow I just can't believe you've recovered more than me. Maybe you have.
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You don't need physical therapy??
I'm planned for another 8 months. Somehow I just can't believe you've recovered more than me. Maybe you have.
I don't understand why you wouldn't recover. Physical therapist won't be able to do the exercise for you that is needed for recovery. Plus I have to work full-time plus study for my master degree so don't have time for physical therapy.
Great, I also should expect to save up another 20k (2.5k/month) in 8 months. I want another 8cm in the femur. Hopefully it will be internal this time so I won't have scars.
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Update about the HLN, also clearing up any false information that's been spreading.
Currently the nails he's using are 100% imported from Belgium. These are the exact ones you're getting if you go now: http://www.jeannor.be/lengthening-nail.html
The price is $35000 if you stay in India to lengthen and $30000 if you go home to lengthen. It's still in the testing phase so know that you're kind of a guinea pig at this point and it's probably a bad idea to lengthen at home. Complications will be fixed for free.
Most of the cost is due to the Belgian origin of the current nails. If the test cases are successful he's going to explore options for an Indian-made HLN that would enable him to lower the price.
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MDW,
Correct me if i am wrong. The original HLN does not lengthen 12cm. I think its 7.5cm or 8 cm.
So if Dr Sarin is using the original nail why does it say you can lengthen up to 12cm?
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Interesting. Maybe Jeannor offers more models of the nail than they list on the website. But there's no Indian factory churning out cheap HLNs, at least not yet.
Anyway I'm going to investigate this. Thanks for pointing that out.
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The original nail does lengthen 12cm. The Belgian doctor said it to me when I met him.
But you have to be insanely stupid to do 12cm in one go.
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Thanks for the clarification Sweden.
unfortunately I am only 5'4 and I am sick of being short. I would rather look unproportional than be short.
I am doing LL in June this year and if they don't have any other nails (in India) then I am going for this HLN.
How far into LLing after the 3 HLN patients in India? I want to visit the place while they r there so I can have a chat with them if I am allowed.
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Thanks for the clarification Sweden.
unfortunately I am only 5'4 and I am sick of being short. I would rather look unproportional than be short.
I am doing LL in June this year and if they don't have any other nails (in India) then I am going for this HLN.
How far into LLing after the 3 HLN patients in India? I want to visit the place while they r there so I can have a chat with them if I am allowed.
Go ahead do your surgery with him ... I just went through all your posts and you seemed to be in favor of Dr Sarin from the very beginning ...!!
my advise for you is , from my personal experience with Sarin .
don't argue with him on any matter or else he will not treat accordingly like he did with mmn_native and many patients at the guest house while I was there .
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=25.15
if you have any complication or problem during lengthening , physio or the doctor will not disclose it and will try to avoid it like he did with many patients . you are on your own and you will have to address it many times to the doctor until he does take action .
I think you should go through this link again to rethink on your decision
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5.0
Dr Sarin f**ked so many patients with LON and now he is doing HLN for the first time in life without proper knowledge or course .
his first HLN is also not successful .
do you still trust him or are you in a deal with Dr Sarin to promote him like others ..!!
Even if you trust him , on what basis do you trust him ... can you elaborate ..?
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Thanks for the clarification Sweden.
unfortunately I am only 5'4 and I am sick of being short. I would rather look unproportional than be short.
I am doing LL in June this year and if they don't have any other nails (in India) then I am going for this HLN.
How far into LLing after the 3 HLN patients in India? I want to visit the place while they r there so I can have a chat with them if I am allowed.
Consider functionality too. Proportion is just one thing to consider - you also have to take into account the higher complication risk by lengthening a higher amount.
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BigFaker's consultation with Dr Sarin, some interesting details.
"As far as I know, Dr. Sarin's medical knowledge has never really been called into question. His C-cut procedure? Yes. His patient aftercare? Yes. His ability to delegate and prioritize his responsibilities as an LL surgeon and those of people he hires? Oh-Goddamn-For-Sure-Hell-YES!
So we began to talk about my specific case.....and this is where he really surprised me. Remember this phone call earlier this year?
ANSWER #1: "No problem."
ANSWER #2: "Don't worry."
ANSWER #3: "No problem."
ANSWER #4: "Don't worry."
ANSWER #5: "No problem."
He said, because of my age (39), the most I could hope to do was 5-6 cm. This was really the first morsel of caution I had ever heard out of the man......and in hindsight, especially considering the rest of the time he was pitching me, this was really unexpected. He told me of the various cases he has had in which older guys were not able to lengthen more then 5cm. I started to argue my case about good family genetics and such. He said it is not biological age or physiologic age, it is anatomy. One 50-year-old had to stop at 4.5. He also said, that with older patients, mental determination is not as good. Most of them, they have given up the middle. This is where I smiled inside a bit. You see, when I set my mind to something, I do it, then I do it again, and again, and again, then I do it one more time to rub it in your face.
We talked about weight bearing. Again, he said in my case, it would be difficult.
"With standing and walking, the complication rate increases once you are overweight"
Dr, Sarin said that for me, the consolidation time would also increase because of weight. The issue is not the frames, nor the nails, but the screws, which are only 3.5 mm.or 4.0 mm thick. The nails are tested to withstand 2000N (newtons). The screws don't take more than 800N.
BALLERINA
I asked how we would combat Ballerina without the standing and/or walking.
"What we do is we put a dedicated physiotherapist, who gets you the physiotherapy done repeatedly in the day, reduce the distraction time, uh...size" (not sure what he meant by that) "And...at night, we keep the sandals very tight". He added, if we see ballerina, we stop lengthening. You do in "pulses", as he termed it.
Dr. Sarin said he no longer locks the ankles -- because there is a single muscle running down the lower leg (not sure if he meant Tibialis Anterior, Gastrocnemius/Achilles combo, or something else) -- it causes knee-bending issues, which he says are much harder to correct than Ballerina. He said that they still used methods like sandbags on the knees, but despite their Ballerina-fighting efforts, "people tend to....get it"
AFTERCARE
I asked about Physical Therapy.
"We have four physiotherapists and they are available for whole day." [sic] Then he threw me a little: "We are changing the system now, one thing which will reduce the cost also, [in] that you will have a dedicated physiotherapist only for you."
Now at first, I thought this meant he was going to be hiring enough PTs to have one dedicated for each patient, but I am sure what he meant was that each patient only sees on PT regularly to develop a connection and rapport. He went on:
"I would like to put people in the hotel and give different kind of options, a charging plan, so the cost also comes down."
At this point, the doc really started to turn it on. Now in my lifetime, I have bought cars, boats, houses, insurance policies, lots and lots of big ticket electronics, so I know when someone is trying to hustle me. Dr. Sarin was in full sales pitch mode now and, aside from little query here and there, I just let him talk:
"It won't be very expensive, all the facilities in there, the servants we will provide, the physiotherapists will be there, the food you have a choice that like...you know, in my experience with running...so many....it really gives a problem with the food."
He then talked for a couple minutes about past guest house problems with monotony, catering to people of different ethnicities, from all over the world, how "somebody doesn't like this" and how "you will get bored eating the same thing every day".
OK, it's great that he cares so much about patient care...down to the food, but doesn't this go right back to what we've read in diaries before, about Dr. Sarin's over-involvement in Guest House Issues? I mean seriously: if I'm on a transatlantic flight aboard a giant Airbus A380, do I really want the pilot worrying about whether the guy in 35C got his f*cking peanuts?
But "Captain Sarin" went on:
"So what we do, it's freely available, we give you 20 menu cards, whatever you want to eat, take an order day before, they make it for you accordingly, so you save money also, your taste is maintained"
Wow, sounds great, I wanna live here forever! When can I move in?
I asked about the problems patients had, earlier this year, when he had people split between the guest house and the hotel:
"No, that was a transition phase...we were changing the thing. Some people are very comfortable in the guest house and some people are very comfortable in hotel.
He said he was in the "planning of closing down this guest house"
And despite all of these domestic issues he had just gone on about, he actually then said
"You see, I'm a surgeon. I'm not here to run the place"
I asked about why he gets so involved in trivial, non-medical house matters
"No, but I have to, but it is my responsibility. This is what happening, as you know it. The people hijacking me from, uh United States"
At this point, Dr. Sarin starts to throw out some really ugly claims against SysOp and old forum and really what can I say about it?
Anyway, Dr Sarin then alleged:
"The website owner wanted to control the guest house, like he wanted to manage and he should be getting money. You know, basic issue was: they wanted to control this guest house, they wanted the money, this is the way they will run. Now suppose, there are 15 patients. They have taken the money and they run away...who's responsible for that? And it was totally unethical, like he puts a good post on his website, everything is good, but inside he is involved and I am involved. I said 'I'm sorry, it is my responsibility and I'm not going give that. I'm not going to make it a commercial thing'"
He went back to the subject of living in the house, touching on the fighting in the guest house and the drinking.
"They think it is a party going on. It is not a party going on, and what the person is doing, the other person starts doing the same thing, and the tantrums and this and that"
This was maybe the funniest thing he said all day:
"...and eventually, to be very frank, 4 months lying in the bed and all this thing, the people go cuckoo. Right?"
I think maybe it was just me, or hearing him say it in his accent, but it was just damn funny to me
He stated that these type of things led to his decision to just keep patients in the hotel from now on.
LL CREDENTIALS
I had my standard list of LL questions for him. About the difference, in his opinion, between reconstructive and cosmetic LL:
"It is a mode of responsibility, more than anything. Reconstructive, the person is ill, and he is already having a problem. Here, the person has walked in from some other country, and I'm breaking his bones. So, it's more of a responsibility."
And which are more difficult to treat?
"Reconstructive ones are more difficult, but easy thing is: it's a single leg".
He did acknowledge that cosmetic patients are much more demanding.
I proferred that he probably had more cosmetic LL experience than most doctors in India:
"Not most of India, most of the WORLD"
Wow. No wonder they needed a new guest house. His ego probably couldn't fit in the old one.
He went on to question the credentials of many of the surgeons practicing LL around the globe.
"There are certain guidelines to do some things. You are doing one of the most complex kind of orthopedic surgery, right? That complex orthopedic surgery is a superspeciality in itself. Most of the world, the people who call themselves limb lengthening surgeons, they have to have background in Ilizarov, right? Either they have to be trained, they have done some fellowship, under some authentic guy or they are self-styled -- with experience they have become like that, which is not possible, right? There are only few centers in Russia where, you know, this thing has done [sic]. So, the most authentic part is you go there and you learn the technique. And problem with the technique is, if you go and learn it you need at least six months of [time] to be there, right? They speak in Russian, every literature is in Russian, right?"
This was, to me, probably the most impressive part of the day, as he discussed his first studies in Ilizarov (presumably at Vinitssa), briefly went over the many complications possible, and how a qualified LL doctor needs to have experienced these. He then slammed, rightly so, the charlatans who claim to be trained in Ilizarov (and contrasting it with his own resumé):
"What people are doing, everywhere in the world...they just go for 15 days, with Dot Shot they will click a picture that 'I am trained here, I am trained there', right? And if you see the profile of people, right? I would not take the name and all this thing...they have not done even six months of residency in the thing! Right? When it comes to my profile, I am a postgraduate in a subject. It's not that I have been learned or seen something, right? I'm a postgraduate in that particular field...in that superspeciality."
In Russia, I confirmed?
"Right. I speak Russian, I write Russian, I spent three years of my time there, right? So that makes you authentic kind of a surgeon, that otherwise, going by profile...."
"For example, I'll give you the biggest example, because the war is open between the Betz and me. If you see his credentials, it doesn't say that he's an orthopedic surgeon! And where he writes down The Betz Institute, it is a residence address!"
OK, this already sounded a little strange when he said it that day (early December) and admittedly, I didn't look up Dr. Betz's website until today, but still...WTF?
I brought up Dr. Mahboubian, whom I might see when I get back to California, and my slight concern that he is not an MD:
"See, but do you see what credentials he has, where he has it, under whom he has learned, right? Have you learned under a person who is an authentic cater of this thing or are you learning from a person who just did six months of residency? So there are very few surgeons available in this world and there are very few surgeons who will take this responsibility."
I mentioned how Dr. Parihar takes on so few cosmetic patients, and doesn't actively seek them out, as in trying to draw them.
"No, he doesn't. He would say that he would do it, but he doesn't want to take the responsibility. It's not easy, it's a serious thing."
THE KNEE
I asked whether he cuts the patellar tendon for the osteotomy. He said no, what he does is a standard procedure by the AO (Association of Orthopedics):
"It should be a vertical incision. It's difficult to work with a transverse incision, right?. We can do it, we've done it when the patient insists, I've made a horizontal incision, but even with the horizontal thing, inside there's a vertical. It's only on the skin you have a horizontal, but inside the patellar tendon...you cannot cut it like this [pantomimes horizontal incision]. You have to separate it and you don't cut it....so what you do is separate the fibers and make a place and just go from the middle."
The INFAMOUS C-CUT
So whaddaboutit, Dr. S?
"No, I stopped it. I stopped it."
Was that a medical decision?
"No, no...I will tell you the many things that have been changed in all thing. If you make a C-incision, your osteotomy is very high up, right? And it unites very fast. The union is pretty...good. The higher you go for the osteotomy, the bone union is faster. Suppose it is going to take 7 months in the lower part of [the tibia], it will be in 5 and a half months, it will be fine. But doing an osteotomy, just with a small incision, at that level, is very dangerous. So you made a C-incision and open it and look into it and what's happenning it's under vision, you do it"
Dammit, if I had been on my game, I would have asked if any kind of arthroscope is used. Sorry, Guys. I suck. He went on:
"But a lot of people say 'No, the scar, scar, scar', so I've gone a little down compromised it and now we do it with the one little thing...I could show you, there's a guy here...it's just one stitch. "
I didn't get to go up and meet patients until a good 30 minutes later (yes, we talked tor a LOOONG time!), and F*CK, I was too busy looking at the frames and the rooms and the guys legs overall to notice the scars"
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How come Dr Sarin's current patients do not have diaries?
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How come Dr Sarin's current patients do not have diaries?
Olivetree does, and she is currently updating it around twice a week.
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Does Dr. Sarin offer externals only? His internal rods have a 60kg weight limit. I am around 70kg and athletic/fit. I have a 96+ CM sitting height (built somewhat like an orangutan, but far sexier 8) ), so a lot of my weight is from my torso and shoulders, which naturally weigh a lot more than my legs. This means that I won't be able to drop to 60kg, since I don't have much fat at all currently. Does this mean that I wouldn't be able to bear weight at all while lengthening? If not, what's the point of destroying my knees to get an IM rod implanted?
Also, does anyone know the weight-bearing limit for the HLN?
What do you all think would be the best tibia lengthening option for someone in my situation?
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Olivetree does, and she is currently updating it around twice a week.
This is an LL forum. Is it not obvious that I by patients I was referring to LL Patients?
I find it suspicious that none of the current LL patients are start diaries when we have 4 or more patients that did surgery with him last year still positing even post frame removal.
Whats really stoping these guys from starting diaries?...I am pretty sure they are aware of this forum so its not like they r scared Syop will ban them ...lol
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Does Dr. Sarin offer externals only? His internal rods have a 60kg weight limit. I am around 70kg and athletic/fit. I have a 96+ CM sitting height (built somewhat like an orangutan, but far sexier 8) ), so a lot of my weight is from my torso and shoulders, which naturally weigh a lot more than my legs. This means that I won't be able to drop to 60kg, since I don't have much fat at all currently. Does this mean that I wouldn't be able to bear weight at all while lengthening? If not, what's the point of destroying my knees to get an IM rod implanted?
Also, does anyone know the weight-bearing limit for the HLN?
What do you all think would be the best tibia lengthening option for someone in my situation?
While Dr. Sarin does offer external-only, the weight-bearing limit is for unassisted walking; i.e. without crutches. If you want to do externals, there are cheaper options like Dr. Murthy:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=253.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=253.0)
Dr. Sarin only charges $10,000 because he knows western patients will pay it, but that's actually a lot of money in India. Murthy charges $3,800 USD – $4,300 USD.
We have no diaries from this doctor yet and Dr. Sarin has had his fair share of negative feedback, so choose at your own risk.
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Does Dr. Sarin offer externals only? His internal rods have a 60kg weight limit. I am around 70kg and athletic/fit. I have a 96+ CM sitting height (built somewhat like an orangutan, but far sexier 8) ), so a lot of my weight is from my torso and shoulders, which naturally weigh a lot more than my legs. This means that I won't be able to drop to 60kg, since I don't have much fat at all currently. Does this mean that I wouldn't be able to bear weight at all while lengthening? If not, what's the point of destroying my knees to get an IM rod implanted?
Also, does anyone know the weight-bearing limit for the HLN?
What do you all think would be the best tibia lengthening option for someone in my situation?
The things I get to read at these forums........ ::)
You are not out of proportion and that was the worse excuse I've heard so far just bc you fail to lose weight.
You don't need to push yourself. If you do LL you will lose weight anyway so it will be no problem walking.
When you start walking your muscles are too weak and you'll need crutches.
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The things I get to read at these forums........ ::)
You are not out of proportion and that was the worse excuse I've heard so far just bc you fail to lose weight.
You don't need to push yourself. If you do LL you will lose weight anyway so it will be no problem walking.
When you start walking your muscles are too weak and you'll need crutches.
Dude, how does this make any sense? Sorry, but I really don't understand your point. I'm shorter than you are and have 3-4 CM more of sitting height because 96 CM is being a bit conservative. It's actually a hair over 38 inches, but I rounded down to 96 CM. You said yourself that you sit at 93 CM. How am I just as proportional as you? And I run 5 kilometers almost daily and eat healthy. I really don't think I can lose much more weight. Maybe from muscle loss, but I hope that's not the case, and I don't think it will cause me to lose 10kg.
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You measured wrong.
Show us a photo and I can easily tell.
So far everyone has been wrong claiming they have weird proportions. It would be nice if you are the first example. That's why I doubt it.
I know you believe in it so strong that it seems impossible for you to lose weight but it depends on your nutrition.
If your body fat is 8-9% then sure, it's a little bit more difficult but doable.
You will lose 5-7kg when doing LL.
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built somewhat like an orangutan, but far sexier 8)
Yeah and im like a little poney, because i have a huge head and really tiny hands and leggs.
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Yeah and im like a little poney, because i have a huge head and really tiny hands and leggs.
I'm a Tazmanian Devil, only an upper body with small stumps sticking out from it here and there ;D
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I'm a Tazmanian Devil, only an upper body with small stumps sticking out from it here and there ;D
Im so jealous because you are a kung fu Tazmanian Devil and im a fat little poney soccer player :-\
Okkkkkk lets get back to adult/LL mod 8)
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Lol, Mr. Tasmanian Devil, I agree with you that I am already proportionate. But I do want to get taller and believe that my 96 CM will help me to still look normal after LL. I measured it by sitting under a stadiometer and measuring my sitting height just as I measure my standing height. I was sitting erect. Was I supposed to slouch? If you'd like I can post a picture, but it may take me a while because I use my phone to access these forums and can't upload from my phone.
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Yeah yeah yeah always excuses, my dog ate my phone etc ;D
Im a real little pony here's a proof (me playing soccer) :
(http://www.horsenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Feb6th.jpg)
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Claude, are you a brony?
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Claude, are you a brony?
Im not sure what it means, sorry (i had to google this Sh..) i have not your culture in little pony.
But yeah im a HUGE fan of the anime, i have all sorts of ponies in my room.
Man i cant hide it anymore.
My dream height is 120 cm, so i can be a cute pony.
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Geez Claude,
Yes, we want to see your proportions, but next time you play soccer outdoors, please put some clothes on! :o
This picture is burned into my mind forever. When i close my eyes... PONIES PLAYING SOCCER!!! At least he is actually quite buff. You can se his little arm muscles rippling kicking that soccer ball. That's his forearm tho.. yellow card!
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I'll save Claude's self esteem by posting a nked picture of myself too.
Here it is:
(http://i.imgur.com/hqZXuHj.jpg)
what the hell has happened to this thread??
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Lol... I think Claude's pony is FEMALE! :-*
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I'll save Claude's self esteem by posting a nked picture of myself too.
Lol... I think Claude's pony is FEMALE! :-*
Im also considering 5 cm, if you know what i mean :-\
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Im also considering 5 cm, if you know what i mean :-\
You're not alone. I think Sweden's pony is the Apotheosis of...
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Then who is this?? ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/2hOdUEj.jpg)
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That's me after doing steroids :D
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Lol, Mr. Tasmanian Devil, I agree with you that I am already proportionate. But I do want to get taller and believe that my 96 CM will help me to still look normal after LL. I measured it by sitting under a stadiometer and measuring my sitting height just as I measure my standing height. I was sitting erect. Was I supposed to slouch? If you'd like I can post a picture, but it may take me a while because I use my phone to access these forums and can't upload from my phone.
You need to be sitting with your back straight on a flat surface and then measuring from that surface to the top of your head like you would standing, no slouching.
(http://i.imgur.com/SNpSp9i.jpg)
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Hi All
Is the “Hydraulic Lengthening nail” completely internal? How does the clicking happen during the distraction?
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Hydraulic means liquid. A pump injects liquid into the nail, causing internal pressure which makes it click. It's internal except for a little tube that sticks out.
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Thanks MD - that’s what I thought.It’s not completely internal.
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For those considering HLN, note that Dr. Sarin is making his patients sign non-disclosure agreements (NDA) before he does anything. This means the patients are not allowed to share the details of their medical experience with others.
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For those considering HLN, note that Dr. Sarin is making his patients sign non-disclosure agreements (NDA) before he does anything. This means the patients are not allowed to share the details of their medical experience with others.
Well this goes a long way to explain why we haven't heard from any HLN patients as of yet! Do you know why the NDA is being required? I understand that the nail is experimental with Dr. Sarin, but it's been used more extensively in Belgium. Is this just a precaution Dr. Sarin is taking to protect his reputation in the event that something goes seriously wrong? Is the agreement still binding once the patient has left India?
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Dr. Sarin have patients of HLN. I am not sure about NDA but he is doing this surgery.
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Why would a doctor require an NDA with patient?
On this link (http://www.drsarin.in/hydraulic-lengthening-nail.html), he requires 20K USD upfront.
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I am planning on having 5-6 centimetres starting in July/August this year with Dr Sarin. I am discussion the option of HLN with him also.
I will keep you all briefed on what transpires.
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I am planning on having 5-6 centimetres starting in July/August this year with Dr Sarin. I am discussion the option of HLN with him also.
I will keep you all briefed on what transpires.
Please, no.
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I question the legality of any internal methods available in India. From my discussion with Dr. Parihar, internal devices of any sort are not approved under license.
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ok, I agree now that internals in India is premature and risky right now.
I really want to get 5-6 centimetres done in my femurs (my femurs are short so would look normal after this also).
Is Sarin safe for this ? He says two months so if I booked for 70 days (say) I hope to return home on crutches and return to work while solidifying.
I am trying to understand the Dr Xi and Ukrane options also from a cost perspective. However China and Ukraine are not appealing places to stay. Ironically I have spent a lot of time in India in the past and am immune/acclimatised somewhat :-)
Your advise folks is appreciated and I hope to start my diary (wherever I get the op done) in a couple of months.
Cheers
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What's wrong with China? I loved the time I spent there, except for the broken legs and pain part.
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The Beijing clinic has a good track record, and Beijing itself is fine (not that you'll really be out and about exploring the city while lengthening). If you have the budget for it then you should keep them as an option. Of course, if you do femurs you'd really be better off with internals, which are not offered in either India or China.
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Don't go Sarin. Anywhere is better than India, really.
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Please, people. No India with these fly by night docs!! Learn from those of us stupid enough to have fell into the trap. If you think you had a good outcome and are delusionally satisfied with how things run here, the staff these docs employ will jump on you and offer you some sort of deal to promote them. Watch out for Dee23/Sameer23 on LL Forum and old forum . They're always coercing those willing to promote them on the internet. The managers and doctor struck some sort of deal with him and he's now in league with them and wants to promote Dr. Sringari to others. Take warning.
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I honestly don't understand why India is still such a popular option people consider for LL. There are many other, safer places with an acceptable price level.
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Russia is a much better Option than india... I would never go to india
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With what's been happening with these Indian doctors, even ones who apparently have good credentials like Dr Chaudhary, it's hard to keep India as a viable destination for lengthening. For those on a budget you may as well go to Russia. Not many people like the idea of external only but maybe you can see if a doctor over there would be okay with plating the legs to reduce fixation time.
I'm still going to India soon to visit a variety of doctors in Delhi and Mumbai, but there are still only two doctors that I would seriously consider in the meantime, as they both have trained in the West under Dr. Paley. Dr Parihar in Mumbai, and another doctor in Delhi. I was going to post the other doctor's name and info in the doctor directory but because of all the India screw ups I'm not sure I should post that info until I go there and meet the doc for myself.
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I'm still going to India soon to visit a variety of doctors in Delhi and Mumbai, but there are still only two doctors that I would seriously consider in the meantime, as they both have trained in the West under Dr. Paley. Dr Parihar in Mumbai, and another doctor in Delhi. I was going to post the other doctor's name and info in the doctor directory but because of all the India screw ups I'm not sure I should post that info until I go there and meet the doc for myself.
You should post other doctors info anyway if you have it because other doctors in india are already in doctors section here, and if you only put it after you meet him people will think you have business deal with him like Sysop did with Sarin and Sringari.
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Sysop that mother fker really should hang for what he's done and continues to do to people to fund his own correction procedures. Hope he's as happy with his actions as he is with his precious website.
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You should post other doctors info anyway if you have it because other doctors in india are already in doctors section here, and if you only put it after you meet him people will think you have business deal with him like Sysop did with Sarin and Sringari.
My main concern is unintentionally starting another India bandwagon, especially since being so outspoken against the actions of those on the other site who promoted these Indian doctors excessively and then turned around and said "well it's your fault for going there based on info from a forum" and acted like their advertisements weren't at all responsible for influencing people's decisions. Of course we have the disclaimer for the doctor directory on this site but I don't want to feel responsible for a repeat India trend.
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My main concern is unintentionally starting another India bandwagon, especially since being so outspoken against the actions of those on the other site who promoted these Indian doctors excessively and then turned around and said "well it's your fault for going there based on info from a forum" and acted like their advertisements weren't at all responsible for influencing people's decisions. Of course we have the disclaimer for the doctor directory on this site but I don't want to feel responsible for a repeat India trend.
But on the other side of the story you might be able to save people from going to Sringari to a better doctor. If he is trained by Paley then what are the chances he is the same level of bad like Sringari or Sarin? I say post info because then people can have more options than these two S doctors. Their names shouldn't be typed out they should be S**** and S*******. Make them look like swear words LOL
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Russia is a much better Option than india... I would never go to india
Russia, China, Turkey, to name a few. All are way better.
I remember Captain America's diary where he mentioned that although some Indian doctors are very well-trained, other important factors like nurses' training and hospital hygiene aren't on par.
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But on the other side of the story you might be able to save people from going to Sringari to a better doctor. If he is trained by Paley then what are the chances he is the same level of bad like Sringari or Sarin? I say post info because then people can have more options than these two S doctors.
Fair point. I guess if there's interest I can post the info in the doctor directory.
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Fair point. I guess if there's interest I can post the info in the doctor directory.
Please post that info.
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I think that there are good Limb Lengthening surgeons in India. I just don't believe there are any in the sub-20 grand range. I think we should keep exploring surgeons in India, but limit the search to those who studied abroad (UK, US, etc.) and then came back. I don't think I would ever go to India, but I do realize there are people from different countries who simply cannot never afford the likes of Paley or Guichet because they aren't getting paid in Pounds or USD if you guys know what I mean.
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Here in Turkey LON/LATN should be around $27,000 (excluding accomodation), and externals around $18,000 (again, excluding accomodation). I asked my doctor to provide some package prices, hopefully he'll be able to come up with something this summer. I didn't find the external ilizarov price quite competitive if it happens to be around this range, but for the intramedullary methods this should be one of the best options financially. I came up with the prices myself by converting the quotes given to me by Dr.Inan (From Euro to Dollar and Lira to Dollar). He gave the surgery price (in Euros) and the materials cost (in Liras) seperately, lol.
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Posting the info now.
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Thanks so much Kilokahn for posting what looks like an alternative to Dr. Sarin perhaps?
I've also emailed China now as suggested by Drink of Water, thank you.
I think external with LON for femur is the best I can afford :-(
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Sysop that mother f**ker really should hang for what he's done and continues to do to people to fund his own correction procedures. Hope he's as happy with his actions as he is with his precious website.
Spoken like a true protege ;D
those were the days.........
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Does this cost include the frame removal?
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^ Yes and it comes with complimentary amputations.
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As a former patient of Sarin I beg anyone to find another option. He has permanently disabled several of his patients myself included. I wish to remain anonymous but feel compelled to issue a warning to anyone considering him. If you have questions you may PM me and I would be happy to provide some guidance. Best wishes.
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I just met with my surgeon after having The hardware from Sarin removed and external fixators put on to correct his mistakes. I was informed that in addition to the non union, ankle deformity, and bone migration I had an internal buildup of puss inside my bone where the nail was removed. Fortunately the biopsy came back negative for infection, yet this is just another issue that could have caused grave issues had I not seen a competent surgeon to repair Sarins careless errors. Several of Sarins patients had bone infections so bad it literally ate away at the bone and left gaping voids in the tibia.
If anyone wonders how this could happen let me give you an example of how Sarin operates (I refuse to call him Dr. At this point)
One of his patients ( an Australian fellow) was having severe nerve pain due to pin placement in his tibia. So rather than bring the patient to the hospital and make any corrections on the operating table Sarin showed up to the dirty indian hotel where his patient was staying. Using a pair of wire cutters that could be purchased at Home Depot Sarin simply cut both ends of the wire that attached to the frame. Now the wire is running through the bone not attached to anything on either side he then pulled the wire out of his leg dragging dirt and bacteria affixed to the wire directly into the patients internal bone!!! He did not even bother to wipe the pin down with alcohol before yanking it out. Now these pins are never cleaned and are absolutely filthy. To pull a dirty pin through the interior of a patients tibia is madness. Not to mention all of this was done without even giving the Australian man a children's Tylenol for pain. Needless to say he was screaming in agony.
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Another topic which I feel must be stated is that Sarin told me he does not test the blood he uses in transfusions for HIV AIDS as in his opinion it is a waste of money. I personally did not have a blood transfusion, yet several of his previous patients who received blood had themselves tested 3 times for fear of being exposed to AIDS. One of the patients I speak of posts on this site regularly. I will not disclose his online ID out of respect for his privacy.
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Ironically Sarin is a chemical weapon.
It was recently used in Syria War but became most infamous during the 1990s Tokyo subway gas attack.
Sarin is a Weapon of Mass Destruction.
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Christ...and this is the doctor who was planned to get exclusive rights to the Betzbone and Precice in India :/
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Contacted Dr Sarin to see if he is still doing the surgeries.
> Mail through Dr Sarin
> [name]: tom Dxxxx
> [email]: tomdxxxx@yahoo.ca
> [phonenumber]: xxxxxxxxxx
> [country]: usa
> [treatment]: tibia/fibula lengthening 7.5cm
> [description]: Hi Dr Sarin. I am interested in doing the surgery in your care
> but need to know a few more details.
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> Do you still have the guest house? How much do you charge for surgery and the
> 3 months needed for lengthening?
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> Do i need a sponsor for my visa ?
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> Please let me know I plan to have it this summer if the price is right.
Reply
info@DrSarin
Now we keep people in small hotels and provide cost of stay also comes down
depending on accommodation you choose . surgery charges will 11K USD It
includes physio for 4 months . stay varies from 3K to 5 K depending what type
of hotel and food u chose you have option of picking different kind of food.
In cas you need Visa then please send the passport details so i can send you
the invitation .please travel on medical visa.
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Why does it take 9 months with Sarin when most Doctors usually take 6 months max?
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Why does it take 9 months with Sarin when most Doctors usually take 6 months max?
I don't think 7.5 cm takes 6 months. Its always 1.5 months per cm
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charges for LL surgery is 11K USD for dr sarin ?
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Hey Fellahs.
I sent Sarin the email to see if he was still operating and if so how much.
I wanted to follow up with him to see if he would take some test patients to refurbish his image on the LL forums and old forum but I have not followed up on it.
Just so he can get a few success stories so he can turn the page on sysop and other bad episodes.
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I am totally confused about whether or not he is a good doctor
Do not trust anyone
Sorry for my English
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If you're set on New Delhi you dhould probably just skip Dr Sarin and go with Dr Dhawan. Costs less but with better credentials and the option to lengthen with a hexapod correction afterward.
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If you're set on New Delhi you dhould probably just skip Dr Sarin and go with Dr Dhawan. Costs less but with better credentials and the option to lengthen with a hexapod correction afterward.
Yeah gonna skip him. Waiting 9 months on top of what I've heard on him allthough crazy 6 lengthened beyond reason but Sarin allowing him to attributed to that as well.
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i am not indian.
tell me is he dr sarin is Quality doctor؟
and his cost is 11000$?
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tikal. don't be lazy. do some reading.
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I sent Dr Sarin a heartfelt email and he was very quick to reply
info@drsarin.in
To me
CC info@drsarin.in Today at 5:40 AM
Dear Tom,
Thank you for showing the level of trust and confidence in me. I am very
pleased that despite the reviews on the old forum , you are interested in coming to
India for the surgery along with the others.
The LON surgery would you cost you $10,000 per person which shall include cost
of the accommodation, breakfast and physiotherapy for a period of 3 months.
This is the best offer I can extend to you. Trust the same is acceptable at
your end.
Furthermore, patients are not obligated to write any diaries, testimonials or
reviews on any website. Since there are many fictitious diaries being written
on the forums, I do not encourage any of my patients to write any such
diaries.
Should you decide to proceed further and come to India for the surgery, please
send me details of your passport for the visa.
Thank You.
Dr. Amar Sarin
On Wed, December 24, 2014 4:35 pm, tom dxxxx wrote:
> Hi Doctor. Merry Christmas and Happy Hollidays!
> My name is tomd on the forum LL Forumorums. This is the thread dedicated to you as
> a Limb lengthening Doctor Dr Amar Sarin ( New Delhi, India)
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> I am one of the founders of LL Forumorums. We were the small group of Makemetaller
> members who started to question sysop (aka Sysop) the owner of old forum
> about his relationship with you. At the time I was very interested in doing
> the surgery with you in India. In fact, I was very interest in the hydraulic
> nail for internal femurs. Sysop had you in very high regard and his number
> one doctor on his 'approved list'.Â
> He went to India to see you and then all
> of a sudden came back not wanting anything to do with you which caused great
> confusion for the members of Makemetaller. When asked, he refused to say why
> and he started to block people from the guest house from commenting on it.
> This is when the small group of us confronted him on it . Instead of telling
> us the truth, he banned us from the forum so we started up our own forum. My
> goal is to re establish your good name to the many members who wish to do LL
> surgery. We understand that there is a learning curve to the procedure and
> now that you have extensive experience with it there should be no serious
> complications with simple external tibias.Â
> I am not interested in going into
> business anything like that. We on LL forums want all doctors to succeed on
> their own merits. Would you be willing to take 3 of us for a sum of $5000
> each for external tibias (we would pay for our own hotels and whatnot) as
> test patients  so that you can re emerge as a renowned  doctor with a lot
> to offer at a great price of $11k ? Â I always believed you to be a good
> doctor but were put in a difficult circumstance. We cannot promise a glowing
> reference but we will be fair and keep a diary on LL forums. Let me know
> your thoughts on the matter.Â
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I could have sworn he used to charge 17500 usd$ or something around that figure.
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I could have sworn he used to charge 17500 usd$ or something around that figure.
He did.
He is offering LON and accommodations for 3 months for only 10k. That to me is an outstanding deal. I am considering it if the Spanish Doc doesnt pan out.
I will probably talk to Sweden first before I make my final decision.
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perhaps you could do femurs with the Spanish doctor, and tibia with sarin.
I personally would not use sarin. I prefer to stick to doctors who are internationally recognized. like ASAMI board members.
but good luck.
just remember. staying in a 3rd world might not seem like a big deal but it really hits you after you move there. so consider it. things that you are used to having will all of a sudden be unavailable. especially diet wise. :)
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perhaps you could do femurs with the Spanish doctor, and tibia with sarin.
I personally would not use sarin. I prefer to stick to doctors who are internationally recognized. like ASAMI board members.
but good luck.
just remember. staying in a 3rd world might not seem like a big deal but it really hits you after you move there. so consider it. things that you are used to having will all of a sudden be unavailable. especially diet wise. :)
This is what I was thinking but I have emailed the Spanish doc about doing Fitbone femurs and LON tibs for a reduced price. We will se what he says.
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ask about wat happen for mmn_native is that true ? can tell me for knowing fact
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Dear ForcedPuberty
i am not lazy i think dr is now good option but i think he is not care form patients and some Indain dr cost is cheper than him
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your definition of good doctor, and my definition of good doctor. is different.
also to ask people is this doctor good option. that is lazy. it means you never read all the diaries on the site and came to your own conclusion. you just wanted others to tell you what to believe.
you know that this doctor has messed people up, however because he is very cheap you have convinced your self that he is an excellent option because 4cm and smallguy have said they would use him.
this kind of mentality is seen often, sarin could disable thousands of people and 2 people might get good results and you will cling to those 2 results and ignore everything else because deep down you want to believe a cheap doctor is good so you don't have to spend more.
it is possible you will go to sarin and be fine. but it is also possible you will go to sarin and experience life long problems that only more surgery with more expensive doctors can fix.
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i read many diaries . but r u know wich is fake wich is not?
for Example first carzy6+ surgery that have write in old forum he do LL surgery in banglor by a doctor that his cost is 5000-6000$ and good result and he do the surgey by dr sairn too , another person has told that carzy6+ is fake
who say true
i do not know
u do not know too.
some times i think do this surgery in my country
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To be fair , The only thing we have is the patient diaries and all the hearsay that comes with it.
I am convinced that Dr Sarin made some errors with patients and the cause was the quality of care.
However, I am also open to the real possibility that the negligence of care was exasperated by Sysop starting up an assembly line of patients for Sarin.
Sarin was overloaded by patients and had no experience in dealing with a meat market or 'chop shop' kind of medicine. Since he had to pay Sysop a cut of his fees per patient, the only way he could make any money was to shovel as many of them as possible through the doors.
Now that the sysop guest house experiment went down in flames, I am curious to see if Sarins level of care has returned to normal . We should have seen a drop in complications for patients admitted for surgery after Nov 2013.
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Good point Tom. I have met Dr Sarin and he seemed sincere to me. But a consultation is important and this is something decided by yourself. I may do LL in mumbai in a few months. There are some good doctors in India and KiloKahn helped us in finding 3. His diary is not fake. But there are a lot of fake diaries and posts, with these people putting in so much time and effort
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Good point Tom. I have met Dr Sarin and he seemed sincere to me. But a consultation is important and this is something decided by yourself. I may do LL in mumbai in a few months. There are some good doctors in India and KiloKahn helped us in finding 3. His diary is not fake. But there are a lot of fake diaries and posts, with these people putting in so much time and effort
Yes. I hope he does right the ship so to speak. My impression of him was he was as knowledgeable as any other doctor.
His hook up with sysop ruined his reputation but I like to think that he was otherwise a good doctor under normal circumstances.
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How are medical laymen on the forums able to say with any degree of legitimacy whether or not a doctor is knowledgeable in their field?
Aside from that, Sarin is not recognized as a legitimate limb lengthening surgeon by any of the credible limb lengthening surgeons or other doctors of ASAMI. He's not even employed at the hospital he performed his surgeries in. He's a freelancer experimenting on those who are unfortunate enough to be his sucker.
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How are medical laymen on the forums able to say with any degree of legitimacy whether or not a doctor is knowledgeable in their field?
Aside from that, Sarin is not recognized as a legitimate limb lengthening surgeon by any of the credible limb lengthening surgeons or other doctors of ASAMI. He's not even employed at the hospital he performed his surgeries in. He's a freelancer experimenting on those who are unfortunate enough to be his sucker.
Exactly; I know nothing about Dr. Sarin, and I will likely never meet him in all of the days if my life. I only know that many of those whom have sought him out have had terrible results.
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I probably wouldn't go to him either, but he has too many supporters to conclude that he is terrible. Some people are happy with their results and the care they received.
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Some means only 6 out of 60 patients .
And those some are either lucky or made a deal with Dr Sarin .
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to all the dumb people about to jump on the sarin band wagon again because they are poor.
from crazy 6
This is how he placed nail wrong way in my right leg and hence right leg is fked up. When I asked him that I feel something poking inside knee. He kept saying don't worry. It will go by time and eventually I ended up with Leg straightening problem. Then he started telling me - This is because of hamstring shortage and keep weight on knee. I have kept more than 30-35 kg on my knee and bear so much pain but It never went down. It was all because of nail which damaged surface of Tibia. He also ignored my tibia curve and said it is nothing to do with leg ROM. He kept fooling me. I do feel dumb to trust on him so much.
Now I am fighting with multiple problems in right leg.
Another point is he never allowed me to take X rays like I wanted so I can see nail. He never allowed me to take CT scan or MRI. This is all because he wanted to hide my complication.
I dont have any grudge against him as I take this as my responsibility to give myself to him but in same time I just want to ask him one thing. "Will he sleep in night knowing that he fked my life?"
x rays included in the link. sarin just doesn't know what the fuk he is doing. especially with internals. and some people who may end up fine are going to risk going to an amateur to save money. sarin can not perform the surgery correctly. he is not a competent surgeon. he is a butcher who gets lucky for some patients. how can you explain this placement of the nail in the link. nothing can excuse this surgical error.
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It's funny that you are quoting Crazy 6. I could remember the time when he also said Dr. Sarin was the greatest doctor in the whole wide world. Oh yeah, I forgot, Crazy 6 was previously the manager working at the guesthouse in charge of payroll. I wonder if there is any conflict of interest there. Then he was fired and went to work for another doctor.
If you enjoy Crazy 6's quotes.. here are some more.
"Proportion is just an illusionary of the human's mind."
"I only date tall white girls now."
"Get tall or die trying."
"Dr. Paley was a snob. Wouldn't recommend" - he told me he previously tried to contact Paley but was turned down thus of grudge against the doctor
"Slow and steady are the way to go." - because of this quote, I developed pre consolidation.
And if you like Crazy 6, you can join him in adopting a diet of curry and vegetable diet. Never exercise. And chat on Skype at 2am at night while his roommate (myself) is trying to F*ckin get some sleep.
Btw, ForcedPuberty, you seem like a nice guy, but I wouldn't want to shake your hand... if you know what I mean :)))
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Some means only 6 out of 60 patients .
And those some are either lucky or made a deal with Dr Sarin .
Sarin screwed up 54 patients? I am surprised he still has a medical licence.
What I am interested in is the quality of care after Oct 30th 2014. Here are my reasons:
It is my bet Sarin and Sysop went into business together and Sarin could not handle the workload. Too many patients too fast for too little money.
The big 'blow up' happened in July 2013 and Sysop banned him from his approved list (and set in motion the events that created this forum) so I doubt he had many patients come in after this time.
Even if he had just operated on any, they should have finished lengthening and been strong enough to go home by Nov 1 2013.
So if my theory is correct the level of care should have returned to normal as his patient load did likewise. I want to hear about Sarin patients who were operated on after this date. If this is correct or false I would like any info that anyone can give .
cheers.
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It's funny that you are quoting Crazy 6. followed by ra ra ra ra crazy+6 this, crazy+6 that. ra ra ra
small gy, I don't really give a fk who posted this. im pointing your attention to an x ray.
and you have ignored the xray because you know its a clear example of how a doctor sarin is. you have instead gone on a crazy+6 attack rant to demonize him as a person. I hate crazy+6. but I don't give a fk about crazy+6. but the x ray is proof of sarins incompetency.
so stop ignoring the evidence. the LON internal nail is basically in the guys freaking knee cap. sarin is not a leg lengthening doctor if he doesn't understand that the rod doesn't belong in the fking knee cap.
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small gy, I don't really give a fk who posted this. im pointing your attention to an x ray.
and you have ignored the xray because you know its a clear example of how crap a doctor sarin is. you have instead gone on a crazy+6 attack rant to demonize him as a person. I hate crazy+6. but I don't give a fk about crazy+6. but the x ray is proof of sarins incompetency.
so stop ignoring the evidence. the LON internal nail is basically in the guys freaking knee cap. sarin is not a leg lengthening doctor if he doesn't understand that the rod doesn't belong in the fking knee cap.
Hey, no need to swear, stoop low or to get hostile. I believe you are a more educated person than this.
From what I know, Sarin only operated on Crazy 6 femur. He did his tibias with a different doctor. Why does the nail in his tibias got to do with Sarin's femur operation? And if he had problem, why didn't he brought it up when he was the manager at the guesthouse? He was very optimistic when we were there. Why didn't he get his problem fixed? I did my LL in early 2013. At this time, Crazy said his bones are already consolidated and should have taken his rod out. Why did he waited all the way until the end of 2013 without fixing his issues?
I'm not trying to demonized Crazy 6. He's a great guy and a good friend. He gave me good advice and visited my room several times when I have issues. I never exposed anything about him that hasn't been revealed by himself or somebody's else.
You mean I try to discredit him? The facts speak for itself. There was the time when he said Sarin was a good doctor. But after he was fired. His comments totally changed. I can't speak for his medical condition. But if this is the case, I feel sorry for him and thought he should have gotten it resolved... then to have waited for several years and posting picture online and not getting it fixed.
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I don't believe you looked at the link. because if you did you would have seen it only has 1 bone and therefore is not the tibia like you stated.
the diary is called. Topic: Crazy+6 - External Femur - Dr. Sarin - 2011 - My LL Nightmare
it is in the doctors I do not recommend section, and it is page 53.
also I know crazy discredited himself. but you only focused on crazy and not the xray. so can you just understand what I am saying here.
there are mistakes a surgeon can make which are acceptable, and there are mistakes that a surgeon can not make unless he does not know the hell what he is doing. I think you have cognitive dissidence. your refusing to even see the evidence or address it because you have a current paradigm for sarin. you have a particular way of thinking about sarin and you are refusing to take in more information.
the very first thing people with cognitive dissidence say when confronted is no im not refusing to see more evidence and no I don't have cognitive disadence.
you don't want to change the way you view sarin so badly that you did not even address the x ray. your mind ignored the fact that only a bumbling idiot could have done that on the operating table........ like this is no small matter..... the femur LON device is in his knee cap. please address this instead of ignoring it.
it is inexcusable for sarin to do this. this is daming evidence to his surgical prowess.
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Okay cool. I mistaken those x-rays for his tibias photo. He also has issues with his tibiae from his former tibiae doctors. Here is your picture. I do agree. They are closed to the knee cap. However, the bones are consolidated and he should have taken out the rod. Problem solved.
(wow, you must be thrill now, winning your first debate)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2mgs65c.png)
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hiii . i am planing to visit dr.sarin for a consultation .is he good surgeon? i m from new delhi india.i m planing surgery
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hiii . i am planing to visit dr.sarin for a consultation .is he good surgeon? i m from new delhi india.i m planing surgery
Are you joking? He's probably the most awful option among doctors mentioned in this forum.
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hiii . i am planing to visit dr.sarin for a consultation .is he good surgeon? i m from new delhi india.i m planing surgery
Don't go with Dr. Sarin. Try Dr. Dhawan or Dr. Naveen Talwar, instead. They are both in New Dehli and just as affordable.
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Don't go with Dr. Sarin. Try Dr. Dhawan or Dr. Naveen Talwar, instead. They are both in New Dehli and just as affordable.
Dhawan and Naveen Talwar are better options, of course. But avoid India as much as you can.
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Dhawan and Naveen Talwar are better options, of course. But avoid India as much as you can.
I agree bro
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Why dismiss a whole country because of a few bad eggs? I think going to Europe or USA makes a lot more sense for those who can afford it, for sure. But for those who are in the sub $30,000 range, India can be a good destination provided you go to the right doctor. I had a positive experience with my surgeon, who's certainly not a butcher, scammer, or quack.
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Why dismiss a whole country because of a few bad eggs? I think going to Europe or USA makes a lot more sense for those who can afford it, for sure. But for those who are in the sub $30,000 range, India can be a good destination provided you go to the right doctor. I had a positive experience with my surgeon, who's certainly not a butcher, scammer, or quack.
I totally agree. There are plenty of fantastic doctors in India. India has it's very impoverished, undeveloped regions, but the whole country isn't like that. In a country like that, you will have quacks, but you will also have doctors like Parihar and Dhawan catering to the wealthy.
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I totally agree. There are plenty of fantastic doctors in India. India has it's very impoverished, undeveloped regions, but the whole country isn't like that. In a country like that, you will have quacks, but you will also have doctors like Parihar and Dhawan catering to the wealthy.
Yep. And if Dr Parihar wasn't a good surgeon, I don't think he'd be selected to lecture with Dr Paley at the British Limb Reconstruction Society Annual Meeting in London. A quack would get called out by Paley pretty good.
http://www.blrs2015.com/
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Yep, and there's a reason Dr. Sarin wasn't invited lol
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Yep, and there's a reason Dr. Sarin wasn't invited lol
YEah in spite of flowers and rainbows from old forum... 8)
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Does anyone know how to open a new post/thread. i couldnt see anywhere. pls help
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Sarin is butcher please don't go to him, my doctor has said he is now infamous.
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I had my surgery with Dr sarin in 2013 and I can honestly say I didn't have any major complications, I did get ballerina but that was due to the fact I never wore the slippers I was supposed to and didn't exercise, at this current moment my flexibility and eve thing is normal and I shall be having my nails removed next month at my local hospital, Free of charge of course
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Spiderman what's with all the hate have you personally been a patient of Dr Sarins, obviously the doxtor you wrnt to is going to say thay hes competition, yes I agree it wasn't all flowers and roses all the way but people saying things like butcher etc is ridiculous, I was his patient and yes he was very busy and not always there but the nurses always came to help or the physios, most of the people I was with in India and I'm still in touch with them and they are all fine including myself , in fact I'm going back in July for internal femurs, if he had "butchered" me I wouldn't be going back and if he is so bad then why is he in one of India biggest newspapers.also I've spoken to his current patient who has had the surgery and they've had no problems and sent me there x_ray and leg pictures and no I'm not promoting him, nor am I working for him I was genuinely his patient few years ago
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you are right thinkerbell .when i met his patients all were very happy with dr.sarin
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At least someone's being honest, when did u visit you might have met me
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I was there jan -13 to May-13. I'm alright but lots of days my feet are still killing me in certain positions.
I sti don't have required full ROM in my ankles but I'm alright.
I got the height.
I also got x-legs which I really don't like. It still looks pretty bad in my opinion.
I am flexible, but mostly only when I'm warmed up.
I could do internal femurs with him but I'm really not so sure about the hydraulic nail.
I have no hard feelings towards Dr Sarin more than I wished he could explain more about the process and be more concerned about doing physio. We wouldn't need to have severe ballerina.
But that's the down part of going to cheap places.
Too bad for the war in Ukraine right now or else I'd be there now.
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Yeh Sweden I came just after you left but my roommate knew who were and spoke of you fondly, I'm sorry about the trouble your having bit I can honestly say I gave made a full recovery and the bad things that did happen to me were my fault eg I never wore those slippers, never exercised only when the physio came.
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I've spoken to him and the physio about the hydraulic nail and that say it's been successful but yeah I was there initially when it malfunctioned but they say it has been rectified if height gainer has been recently then maybe he can give us more insight into this
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Yeh Sweden I came just after you left but my roommate knew who were and spoke of you fondly, I'm sorry about the trouble your having bit I can honestly say I gave made a full recovery and the bad things that did happen to me were my fault eg I never wore those slippers, never exercised only when the physio came.
How much did you lengthen and what method has been used?
I'm just curious because you said full recover, do you talk about a 100% in sports and daily life acitvities?
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Well in term of full recovery I'm back to how I was, initially my walking was slow but I'm at the speed I was before, in terms of running I can run fine, however I don't want to mislead you I'm not a athletic person so I can't say anything about sports, the only thing I use to do in terms of cardiovascular was skipping and I can do that but the was just recently and my operation was in June 2013 so it's Been two years since my surgery, I do feel I would have recovered faster if I had actually done the exercise in india and when I came back home, also everybody is different my weight is only 38kgs so that why I recovered really fast
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38kg vs. 380kg.
Just saying......
(http://i.imgur.com/QRzgdsm.jpg)
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Sweden, tinkerbell.. you guys both have real loyalty, which is rare in this day and age.
I'm glad to have rode in the same boat as you both have.
As for me, I'm a money person so, I can't forget the extra months that Dr. Sarin gave me and the free equipment.
Anyway, I'm moving on but had a strange feeling and came back here and saw your post.
Wish you both all the best.
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Thanks buddy.
Want to hop on the femur-ride any time soon?
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I hope u r not implying I'm lying Sweden, yes I now 38kg is very less even for someone my height, even after surgery I'm only 5.1. I was severely malnourished and became anorexic and was hospitalised I'm more than happy to provide you the proof of the hospital papers #just saying
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Christ!
Sorry, it was just hard for me to believe.
I went down to 58kg when I left India.
Now I'm 68kg.
I was up to 75kg last year but didn't like it.
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Hey Sweden,
I'm done with LL. 5'9 is already the average height here where I live. I haven't thought about height for years.
If I do another 2 inches, it will be more like you. I already have the money so it will be like buying a car or a personal tanning bed. A luxury but unnecessary. I'll see when I have free time. I just want to come back here to check out on old patients.
Machine seen in the earlier post is a good guy too. He was the roommate of another guy I know
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Lol its ok Sweden , I'm a girl that's why
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Hey buddy, I'm really happy your satisfied with your height and not undergoing a 2nd surgery, but if you do come to visit in hope to see you there and keep in touch on fb
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Oh yeah. I still remember India and the nurse at the hospital.
She told me that she liked me. Maybe I come back there just to get her Fb!!!
And you too. If you feel like it, send me a message. Who knows, I might be rich one day.
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Lol well I have one of the nurses on my fb, u can add her and ask for her colleagues number hehe
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This is what I said to Dr. Paley: If you have any information this Dr. Sarin, please tell me more about him. Is he a scammer? It just doesn't look like he knows what he is doing. Should people stay well away from him? I have read diaries and so many people suffered.
This is his website. Have you even heard of this Doctor before? http://www.drsarin.in/
Now this is what Dr. Paley replied back and said to me:
"I keep seeing disastrous results from Sarin. I have had to fix several of his cases. Costs more to fix the problems he creates than to do it correctly in the first place."
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I was one of the cases Paley had to fix from Sarin. It has been almost 3 years since I trusted myself to Sarin and I still can't walk anything close to normal. Paley did improve my case, but I am now only half crippled not fully crippled. Stay away from Sarin.
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Sarin actually asked myself and another person to set up a fake Google hang out account for him almost 2 years ago when he and sysop first had their falling out. Of course we declined. I was disgusted to read sysops statement on the old forum that claims all of Sarins patients "are pretty much OK". That is complete utter nonsense. There are people so severely disabled that I wonder if they will ever live something that resembles a normal life.
I am familiar with Amit and the other fakers who post. I was one of the original guests who noticed the fake phantom account he posted on the other sight that led to sysop banning the entire guesthouses IP address. I have never met Sringari nor would I hire him since It is my understanding he is not formally trained in LL. It is also my understanding that Sringaris assistant Harry is claiming to be a Dr now. When I met him he was working for Sarin as a physio therapist. It is my belief he now claims to be a Dr. in order to give a false sense of assurance to sringaris patients and to lessen Sringaris duties as an attending physician which is abhorrently devious.
A last word to the wise. Lengthening over 5 cm in the tibia ( I did 7cm) is a great risk. Nearly everyone who stayed conservative and lengthened just over 5cm up to 6 did much better in terms of soft tissue recovery compared to the fools like myself who lengthened 7cm. I know 2cm does not seem like much of a difference but in the body it is huge. I regret not stopping my distraction at 5cm.
If anyone has any further Sarin or Sringari thoughts I suggest you remove them from your mind. Even if you choose India there are multiple other surgeons to consider who are Board certified and formally trained in Illizarov.
Best of luck. I will be seeing another surgeon today as a matter of fact to see about a TFL release surgery in my Illiotibial band. To this day I have had 7 surgeries. 2 for lengthening and 5 for corrections. You can see how much grief an additional 5 surgeries could cause. I am now looking to surgery number 8.
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And them you went to Sarin anyway. Strange how that is sometimes.......
Don't do more than 5cm people!!
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How about 5.1 centimetres? That extra millimetre over 5 is what I am aiming for! No doctors seem to have a problem with that extra millimetre and believe it wont destroy me. What do you think?
By the way, what was your bone length before the surgery, Sweden? They say 15% of your bone length is the safest.
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Hello everybody. I messaged Dr Sarin about 2 days ago but he has not message me back. I am 5'7 I want to do internal femur about 3-4 inches but worried about long recovery time because I do have university. Im thinking of doing this summer and taking 1 semester off to recover. Can anyone tell me if he's a good doctor for femur or if any doctors you recommend in India or Vietnam. Thanks :)
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I would look at everything said about Sarin, I'd then run a mile. I'd then think I'd run far enough, then run again.
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^I would do probably more than that :P
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I've read good and bad stories. I just want to choose a good doctor in India and also affordable. this is so hard.
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If you do 3 to 4 inches with any doctor you are looking at a long recovery. If you are going to India, I recommend you follow veterans advice and do not lengthen more then 5 to 6 cm.
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I've read good and bad stories. I just want to choose a good doctor in India and also affordable. this is so hard.
you get what you pay
it is ur life
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hmm 6 cm is that much. Many doctors recommend 7.5 cm the max. With my research, I have found people recommend dr talwar or dr. dhawan. I was thinking dr dhwan, any thoughts on him? Also to goodluck not many people have 100k to spend for american doctors.
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Yea I did mine with sarin in 2013 too, I did 6.5cm and I don't have a single complication. I would go back and do femurs if I had the cash.
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Isn't this guy not even a certified doctor (i.e. has a degree unrelated to that of an orthopedic surgeon)?
Should this thread be locked?
Paley's words: "I keep seeing disastrous results from Sarin. I have had to fix several of his cases. Costs more to fix the problems he creates than to do it correctly in the first place."
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Isn't this guy not even a certified doctor (i.e. has a degree unrelated to that of an orthopedic surgeon)?
Should this thread be locked?
Paley's words: "I keep seeing disastrous results from Sarin. I have had to fix several of his cases. Costs more to fix the problems he creates than to do it correctly in the first place."
His profile:
(http://www.drsarin.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/dr-sarin.png)
Dr. Sarin is a consultant surgeon in New Delhi, having worked in the field of orthopaedics for over 25 years he has gained tremendous expertise in complications of trauma and orthopaedic surgeries, Non-Unions and infected Non-Unions surgeries, polio corrective surgeries as well as bone deformities and defects and has performed more than 3000 Ilizarov surgeries successfully.
Additionally and more recently, he has successfully performed over 300 cosmetic limb lengthening surgeries and has gained immense popularity amongst limb lengthening community.
He continues to have an active research interests in limb lengthening and infected Non-Unions. Limb lengthening surgery is now a large component of his practice. He is committed to developing and teaching limb lengthening and Illizarov surgeries in a large way.
Surgeon’s Profile
Dr. Sarin has graduated from M.S. Ramaiah Medical College, Bangalore in 1986 and completed his M.S. from Vinnitsa Medical Institute, Ukraine, U.S.S.R in 1993. He been trained at Institute for Invalids & Reconstructive Surgeries Ukraine Region, Vinnitssa Medical Institute Hospital, Vinnitssa U.S.S.R. for Reconstructive Surgeries, Rehabilitative Surgeries and Illizarov Technique of Bone remodelling. His thesis on ‘Tibial Plateau Fractures’ has been submitted and accepted by the Vinnitssa Medical Institute Hospital in 1994.
He has worked at Jaipur Golden Hospital, New Delhi and has been instrumental in creating the department of Illizarov Surgery during his tenure of seven years, stering it to newer milestone. He has been associated with BL Kapoor Memorial Hospital as a Senior Consultant and currently associated Sri Balaji Action Medical Institute, Pachism Vihar New Delhi as Head of the Restorative Unit.
Having been awarded a fellowship by the prestigious IMA Academy of Medical Specialties in Orthopedics in 2016, he is also a proud member of the Indian Orthopaedic Association since 1994 as well as ASAMI India. He is also an active member of the European Bone and Joint Infection Society.
In the field of basic and advanced Illizarov and Ortho-oncology surgeries, he has trained over 70 surgeons and conducted a workshop on Inflatable Nails in 2005, demonstrated a Humeral Interlock surgery at the Agra Medical college in 2003, workshops and demonstrations on Illizarov Fixtor attended national and foreign delegates held at Jaipur Golden Hospital in 2001. He has also given a lecture on Interlocking Nails in Punjab aswell as Bone Tumors at New Delhi. In 1998 he has performed a live surgery and held a workshop on Illazarov Fixtaor at Indira Gandhi Medical College, Shimla.
Dr. Sarin has performed advanced Illizarov over more than 3000 patients in the past 20 years. His interests lie in Revision Illizarov Surgeries and Height Gain Surgeries. He has been working extensively on designing custom made prosthesis and has recently been granted patent rights for a Hydraulic Nail in collaboration with a Belgian bio medical engineer- Mr. Norbet Dijon in the EU.
- Also dumb for Paley to say that it costs more for him to fix the issues than to get the surgery done correctly. Well no crap, he charges exorbitant amounts for any procedure he does.
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- Also dumb for Paley to say that it costs more for him to fix the issues than to get the surgery done correctly. Well no crap, he charges exorbitant amounts for any procedure he does.
He means that if you just went to a good doctor in the first place it would have cost the patient less overall in $$ than going to a cheap doctor.
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He means that if you just went to a good doctor in the first place it would have cost the patient less overall in $$ than going to a cheap doctor.
Yes go to him or go to someone else and then go to him
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I have got the cash now , im heading to india to see his latest internal femur patients.
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I have got the cash now , im heading to india to see his latest internal femur patients.
It would be interesting to read a detailed diary on the internal hydraulic nail.
Best of luck.
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It would be interesting to read a detailed diary on the internal hydraulic nail.
Best of luck.
Yes lets see how it pans out. I am still 50 - 50 atm.
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Do you know there is a possibility to have a single room in the guest house?
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Most times rooms are with 2 people, Tbh it can be better to have a roomate. If it's not busy you might get a single room for a while but if all rooms have 2 people the next person would come to your room.
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It would be interesting to read a detailed diary on the internal hydraulic nail.
Best of luck.
Hey sweden well im here, internal femur surgery has been done , looks like all the hype was fake i have done the surgery and im doing fine. I have also seen videos from ji jo of many other internal femur patients that had their internal femurs done with sarin.
Remember ji jo the surgical assistant.
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Sarin actually asked myself and another person to set up a fake Google hang out account for him almost 2 years ago when he and sysop first had their falling out. Of course we declined. I was disgusted to read sysops statement on the old forum that claims all of Sarins patients "are pretty much OK". That is complete utter nonsense. There are people so severely disabled that I wonder if they will ever live something that resembles a normal life.
I am familiar with Amit and the other fakers who post. I was one of the original guests who noticed the fake phantom account he posted on the other sight that led to sysop banning the entire guesthouses IP address. I have never met Sringari nor would I hire him since It is my understanding he is not formally trained in LL. It is also my understanding that Sringaris assistant Harry is claiming to be a Dr now. When I met him he was working for Sarin as a physio therapist. It is my belief he now claims to be a Dr. in order to give a false sense of assurance to sringaris patients and to lessen Sringaris duties as an attending physician which is abhorrently devious.
A last word to the wise. Lengthening over 5 cm in the tibia ( I did 7cm) is a great risk. Nearly everyone who stayed conservative and lengthened just over 5cm up to 6 did much better in terms of soft tissue recovery compared to the fools like myself who lengthened 7cm. I know 2cm does not seem like much of a difference but in the body it is huge. I regret not stopping my distraction at 5cm.
If anyone has any further Sarin or Sringari thoughts I suggest you remove them from your mind. Even if you choose India there are multiple other surgeons to consider who are Board certified and formally trained in Illizarov.
Best of luck. I will be seeing another surgeon today as a matter of fact to see about a TFL release surgery in my Illiotibial band. To this day I have had 7 surgeries. 2 for lengthening and 5 for corrections. You can see how much grief an additional 5 surgeries could cause. I am now looking to surgery number 8.
When were you their ? i would like to verify if you're lying , i was there when sweden , colin the small and scarifice4gain and many others were there , i got banned from old forum and sys op sysop tried to blackmail me using my email address i think he didnt know what sort of guy he was deaaling with i have not shame and dont fear anything for all i know you are probably im cahoots with him. Anyway im here again and im being treated fine .
You could also be amit who i seen in the guest house , lengthened over 8cms on both segnents and used monorails on femurs which is a big no no asking for complications.
Anyone who does 7cms or over is asking for complications and shouldnt blame the doctor.
Theres a guy currently here whos lengthened 8cms now against dr sarins advice i even told him myself to stop and if he could drecrease the anount if thats even possible. So if that guy gets complications is the doctor to blame ?
Well it depends on if he told them to stop ? There was one guy there who done 8.8cms and got foot drop or equinus he only has himself to blame.
Sarin told me to stop at just over 6cms i listened and i am doing great 5 years on.
Also why did sys op block my account on old forum ? Was i saying somthing wrong like maybe the truth that i was ok and went home happy ! Abit of advice not everyone goes home happy , LL is always a risk and we are made aware before the surgery.
Im here for a second lengthening this time internal femurs ive been out of surgery for 3 days now and im doing fine , be sure that i will be fine and you can go ahead and look at my internal femur diary.
If you want some picture just go look at my diary. On top of that why do you only have 4 posts here ? Stinks if you ask me.
Im a fair person and if dr sarin doesnt fix my complications i will say so , so far im at the beginning but so far so good.
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When were you their ? i would like to verify if you're lying , i was there when sweden , colin the small and scarifice4gain and many others were there , i got banned from old forum and sys op sysop tried to blackmail me using my email address i think he didnt know what sort of guy he was deaaling with i have not shame and dont fear anything for all i know you are probably im cahoots with him. Anyway im here again and im being treated fine .
You could also be amit who i seen in the guest house , lengthened over 8cms on both segnents and used monorails on femurs which is a big no no asking for complications.
Anyone who does 7cms or over is asking for complications and shouldnt blame the doctor.
Theres a guy currently here whos lengthened 8cms now against dr sarins advice i even told him myself to stop and if he could drecrease the anount if thats even possible. So if that guy gets complications is the doctor to blame ?
Well it depends on if he told them to stop ? There was one guy there who done 8.8cms and got foot drop or equinus he only has himself to blame.
Sarin told me to stop at just over 6cms i listened and i am doing great 5 years on.
Also why did sys op block my account on old forum ? Was i saying somthing wrong like maybe the truth that i was ok and went home happy ! Abit of advice not everyone goes home happy , LL is always a risk and we are made aware before the surgery.
Im here for a second lengthening this time internal femurs ive been out of surgery for 3 days now and im doing fine , be sure that i will be fine and you can go ahead and look at my internal femur diary.
If you want some picture just go look at my diary. On top of that why do you only have 4 posts here ? Stinks if you ask me.
Im a fair person and if dr sarin doesnt fix my complications i will say so , so far im at the beginning but so far so good.
How much weight can the hydraulic nail weight bear?
What exactly are the advantages opposed to something like LON?
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Im told it can bear up to 65kg
Well there is only one small hole in your leg for the lengthening mechanism , you can wear clothes over it and go out , recovery is faster, no pin cutting scars or pain.
Im doing it at the moment , i start lengthening on friday !
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Do you think that working remotely as a programmer in the guest house is a good idea? I don't want to spend that long time doing almost nothing.
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This doctor..ehhh..Several days ago i emailed him how long can I lengthen safely he just replied me Femur can only be lengthened by HLN.....
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This doctor..ehhh..Several days ago i emailed him how long can I lengthen safely he just replied me Femur can only be lengthened by HLN.....
Omg it too costly man :o
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In this forum there is only people writing so much and no actual prove of any thing!!!
who where and when Dr Sarin disastrous results and where Dr Paley's say "I keep seeing disastrous results from Sarin. I have had to fix several of his cases. Costs more to fix the problems he creates than to do it correctly in the first place."
so people pull out name, picture , videos of people that Dr Sarin destroyed life!!! if not shut the fk up!!!!
wasting every one time reading this forum !!!!!!!
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UPDATE 11/9/19
Dr Sarin will be doing lengthening with Stryde Nail. He will be probably the cheapest doctor who perform lengthening with Stryde. More info:
Femur or Tibia:
Cost 45000 $
Including accommodation for 3 months
Cost covers-
-Nails
-Surgery
-Hospital stay
-Medicine
-Supplements if required
-Xrays
-Post OP stay at facility 3 months
-Breakfast
-Physiotherapy
-24×7 helping staff at facility
-Complications
-Airport pickup and drop
-Walker, crutches , wheel chair
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Found an interview with Dr Sarin dated from March 2019:
https://youtu.be/w7bqnRmCtJY
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In this forum there is only people writing so much and no actual prove of any thing!!!
who where and when Dr Sarin disastrous results and where Dr Paley's say "I keep seeing disastrous results from Sarin. I have had to fix several of his cases. Costs more to fix the problems he creates than to do it correctly in the first place."
so people pull out name, picture , videos of people that Dr Sarin destroyed life!!! if not shut the fk up!!!!
wasting every one time reading this forum !!!!!!!
You’re an absolute idiot if you think Paley would lie about something like that. He literally has nothing to gain, and why would he single out Sarin himself when there’s countless other international doctors that do this surgery? Lol.
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UPDATE 11/9/19
Dr Sarin will be doing lengthening with Stryde Nail. He will be probably the cheapest doctor who perform lengthening with Stryde. More info:
Femur or Tibia:
Cost 45000 $
Including accommodation for 3 months
Cost covers-
-Nails
-Surgery
-Hospital stay
-Medicine
-Supplements if required
-Xrays
-Post OP stay at facility 3 months
-Breakfast
-Physiotherapy
-24×7 helping staff at facility
-Complications
-Airport pickup and drop
-Walker, crutches , wheel chair
Missed this from earlier. Honestly though, Sarin has had so many complaints against him that it's such a gamble as it is. If you want Stryde in India and can afford it, go for safety first and consult with Dr. Parihar. I only see Sarin as another option if someone insists for whatever reason on using that HLN nail. Perhaps I shouldn't be typing this as a mod who should remain neutral, but I don't see any advantage of going to Dr Sarin with Stryde.
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Yes kilokhan they call him sarin the butcher
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Is Sarin a safe option for cheap nail removal?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7bqnRmCtJY
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Should I just save up for stryde for a speedy recovery
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I myself am a current patient at Amar Sarin. As a (brain tumor) surgeon myself it seems like the procedure progressed rather well and the surgeon in question had good command over their instruments which might imply that they are as experienced as they claim to be. Will write a kind of "diary" at this and am happy to respond to dm if one has any questions at progress. Currently about two days away from 6cm with no complications. Posting this because I see more than a bit of FUD at this particular medical professional and feel that they've earned a bit of positive exposure given the nature of the skill I witnessed at operative theater. Even if one isn't a fan of a particular personality they've seen at a given medical professional doesn't mean it's in any way tied to their surgical skill at operative theater. Some people at this forum should keep this in mind. In case you were curious about my background; I'm from Doctor Robert F. Spetzler's group and completed my fellowship at the top ranked neurosurgery hospital at USA & residency at Feinberg (where rfs himself trained). Happy to post images at the near future
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Should I just save up for stryde for a speedy recovery
I don't think it's necessary, but I wouldn't go with Dr. Sarin unless you paid me.
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I don't think it's necessary, but I wouldn't go with Dr. Sarin unless you paid me.
can you say more
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Should I just save up for stryde for a speedy recovery
Stryde has been recalled at corrosion of nails so would advise against saving up for it. I'd instead strongly recommend the Precise 2.2 / ERC4P at https://www.nuvasive.com/procedures/limb-lengthening/precice-system-2/ (https://www.nuvasive.com/procedures/limb-lengthening/precice-system-2/). Our experience at the apparatus has been overwhelmingly positive.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xqmNHz7Q/photo-2022-06-10-19-33-56.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xqmNHz7Q)
as an aside- https://youtu.be/VaiHTvifGt0?t=2 (https://youtu.be/VaiHTvifGt0?t=2) - 怪鳥
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/pterional-model-1-b917bd1dc65e4411829d262a282807f7
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UPDATE 11/9/19
Dr Sarin will be doing lengthening with Stryde Nail. He will be probably the cheapest doctor who perform lengthening with Stryde. More info:
Femur or Tibia:
Cost 45000 $
Including accommodation for 3 months
Cost covers-
-Nails
-Surgery
-Hospital stay
-Medicine
-Supplements if required
-Xrays
-Post OP stay at facility 3 months
-Breakfast
-Physiotherapy
-24×7 helping staff at facility
-Complications
-Airport pickup and drop
-Walker, crutches , wheel chair
"Dr Sarin will be doing lengthening with Stryde Nail."
Stryde has been discontinued https://www.nuvasive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/NSO-Precice-FSN-United-States-Biodur.pdf (https://www.nuvasive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/NSO-Precice-FSN-United-States-Biodur.pdf). Precice 2.2 would be the natural alternative at https://www.nuvasive.com/procedures/limb-lengthening/precice-system-2/ (https://www.nuvasive.com/procedures/limb-lengthening/precice-system-2/) because it is the most technologically advanced lengthening nail available. You would want to lengthen the femur or tibia with the precision and control at this device, assuming this modality is a viable option for you at time of implantation.
While Precice 2.2 is non weight bearing; this will give you more time to focus at pursuits that don't involve the kind of ambulation you could reasonably expect with Stryde. The complication potential at traditional Ilizarov external apparatus is also obviously much higher than at Precise 2.2. As an example of fun things you can do while engaging at the consolidation phase...you could explore the Monster Hunter universe and hang out with legendary dragons like the Yian Ut-Ku [https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Yian_Kut-Ku (https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Yian_Kut-Ku)]. In part because it's an awesome dragon at an awesome online game, and partly because Ut-ku is the private source I've been using to navigate the LL universe, in case you were curious. We chose a dragon at alias because within our research group; the official spirit animal is the Dragon and each Professor has their own tag within the Monster Hunter universe internally at Stanford https://suif.stanford.edu/~lam/ (https://suif.stanford.edu/~lam/) much like Monica; who is Fatalis. We develop clinical tools and are advised by a team of Professors from both Stanford and MIT. Make sure to load up on delicious candies like lokum to ensure you're at a good mood throughout the consolidation process [if you'll be living at a guest house like the Ronald McDonald House, it's best to be in a good mood if you're going to be around other people] and track visual changes periodically at any given mirror to stay motivated.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vcSB7MRw/suomi.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vcSB7MRw)
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Dr. Aman Sarin and his team is just making money out of this surgery, least they care about the recovery of their patients. Sarin and physiotherapist Shariq has made this limb lengthening surgery a business, where their only agenda is to lure depressed youngsters with low self esteem by giving false hopes. They don't care about whether some patient had non union issue, osteoporosis, infection, or any other life threatening issue. There are many patients who has been operated by Dr. Sarin and they are still not able to walk. Even in 2022 patients who had been operated 7 years back still came in that guest house as they are still not able to walk properly. Many who tried for HLN are still struggling with their recovery.
Moreover, even if we leave the above issues, the character of that physiotherapist(Shariq) is pathetic. He has no professionalism and choose patient as per his mood, if a patient ask him to slow down exercise or suggest something then from next day Shariq will assign some untrained physiotherapist to that patient and even after knowing the condition of patient He kept blaming patients and does not inform Dr. Sarin on time.
Shariq has already been accused of rape charges once and arrested by Police. There is no record of him in any NCR hospital, his past experience, his professional profile nothing. It seems like he is only working for Dr. Sarin like his servant. Also Shariq encourages male patients to engage in sexual activity with female patients. Also, once in guest house three people(care taker, physiotherapist, one patient) tried to rape a girl who was working there as cleaner. Once Dr. Sarin also in drunk state entered in some female patients room around 11 in the night. That's totally unacceptable. Shariq and Sarin often touch female patients inappropriately and then spread rumors about that female patient in the guest house that she is asking them sexual favors'. The reason patients has been silent for so long is because they get stuck in that situation and rely on them for recovery. Many come for this surgery without informing their families and friends.
Please think before you approach Dr. Amar Sarin.
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Dr. Aman Sarin and his team is just making money out of this surgery, least they care about the recovery of their patients. Sarin and physiotherapist Shariq has made this limb lengthening surgery a business, where their only agenda is to lure depressed youngsters with low self esteem by giving false hopes. They don't care about whether some patient had non union issue, osteoporosis, infection, or any other life threatening issue. There are many patients who has been operated by Dr. Sarin and they are still not able to walk. Even in 2022 patients who had been operated 7 years back still came in that guest house as they are still not able to walk properly. Many who tried for HLN are still struggling with their recovery.
Moreover, even if we leave the above issues, the character of that physiotherapist(Shariq) is pathetic. He has no professionalism and choose patient as per his mood, if a patient ask him to slow down exercise or suggest something then from next day Shariq will assign some untrained physiotherapist to that patient and even after knowing the condition of patient He kept blaming patients and does not inform Dr. Sarin on time.
Shariq has already been accused of rape charges once and arrested by Police. There is no record of him in any NCR hospital, his past experience, his professional profile nothing. It seems like he is only working for Dr. Sarin like his servant. Also Shariq encourages male patients to engage in sxxual activity with female patients. Also, once in guest house three people(care taker, physiotherapist, one patient) tried to rape a girl who was working there as cleaner. Once Dr. Sarin also in drunk state entered in some female patients room around 11 in the night. That's totally unacceptable. Shariq and Sarin often touch female patients inappropriately and then spread rumors about that female patient in the guest house that she is asking them sxxual favors'. The reason patients has been silent for so long is because they get stuck in that situation and rely on them for recovery. Many come for this surgery without informing their families and friends.
Please think before you approach Dr. Amar Sarin.
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Dr. Aman Sarin and his team is just making money out of this surgery, least they care about the recovery of their patients. Sarin and physiotherapist Shariq has made this limb lengthening surgery a business, where their only agenda is to lure depressed youngsters with low self esteem by giving false hopes. They don't care about whether some patient had non union issue, osteoporosis, infection, or any other life threatening issue. There are many patients who has been operated by Dr. Sarin and they are still not able to walk. Even in 2022 patients who had been operated 7 years back still came in that guest house as they are still not able to walk properly. Many who tried for HLN are still struggling with their recovery.
Moreover, even if we leave the above issues, the character of that physiotherapist(Shariq) is pathetic. He has no professionalism and choose patient as per his mood, if a patient ask him to slow down exercise or suggest something then from next day Shariq will assign some untrained physiotherapist to that patient and even after knowing the condition of patient He kept blaming patients and does not inform Dr. Sarin on time.
Shariq has already been accused of rape charges once and arrested by Police. There is no record of him in any NCR hospital, his past experience, his professional profile nothing. It seems like he is only working for Dr. Sarin like his servant. Also Shariq encourages male patients to engage in sexual activity with female patients. Also, once in guest house three people(care taker, physiotherapist, one patient) tried to rape a girl who was working there as cleaner. Once Dr. Sarin also in drunk state entered in some female patients room around 11 in the night. That's totally unacceptable. Shariq and Sarin often touch female patients inappropriately and then spread rumors about that female patient in the guest house that she is asking them sexual favors'. The reason patients has been silent for so long is because they get stuck in that situation and rely on them for recovery. Many come for this surgery without informing their families and friends.
Please share your experiences at Dr. Amar Sarin and his so called guest house and physiotherapists
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I dont see why anyone would ever go to India or turkey to get this done. there so many examples ive seen of surgeons in these countries mishandling LL cases. Sure I think USUALLY people end up okay but you wanna take a 30% chance of mistreatment? just take your money elsewhere.
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you get what you pay
this is true at all surgery.