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Title: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 18, 2019, 02:57:47 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm a 22 year-old girl who did LON surgery 12th of February 2019 with Dr. Giotikas. I would love to share as much as I can but keep it a little clear. That's why I'm writing everything down in a google drive document. I hope it works, if not please let me know!!

Kind regards


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kLRNzGUbKcTqfX_lj12FvojHiUgjS1yA?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: jievince3 on March 18, 2019, 03:36:51 PM
Thanks for your share.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 18, 2019, 05:55:24 PM
One more diary from Dr Giotikas. Good.
Good luck with your journey.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: zlRadamanthys on March 19, 2019, 12:56:49 AM
Pleased to read a newspaper like that, I thought that giotikas did not perform LON or LATN, I would like to know a few comments about you which is your initial height, why you look super tall as a model and what is your size of American shoes, your feet They also look pretty long We appreciate your opinion, see that you are a very beautiful woman and I congratulate you for being so brave, I hope you get a good warrior!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: 177cmm on March 19, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Haha i was like wtf, she is 187, i started feeling so bad with my 180  ::) My first thought when I noticed ur face was she wants to have long legs because she gonna be model or something like that, u look so pretty ;) good luck with ur journey, I'm gonna do surgery with dr. Giotkas in one year to reach 188/190, keep smile and diary for us.


Greetings
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 19, 2019, 10:14:51 AM
Hi everyone,

I'm a 22 year-old girl who did LON surgery 12th of February 2019 with Dr. Giotikas. I would love to share as much as I can but keep it a little clear. That's why I'm writing everything down in a google drive document. I hope it works, if not please let me know!!

Kind regards


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kLRNzGUbKcTqfX_lj12FvojHiUgjS1yA?usp=sharing

Haha thank you! But no, I dont have any model-intentions ;) wow nice!! good luck!!!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: zlRadamanthys on March 19, 2019, 01:27:31 PM
wow I knew you were supremely tall but I do not imagine how much, your final height will be 191 cm which is a lot for a woman, plus you are a very nice woman so I think everyone was wondering if it is a requirement in modeling. I hope you keep telling your experience in the newspaper, forgive my English but I am from South America and I speak Spanish. I would like information about the price and the time that you will be in Greece, if you can provide me the mail of the dr I would thank you even more. Thank you very much and I wish you the best, anything will be there to help you.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 19, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
wow I knew you were supremely tall but I do not imagine how much, your final height will be 191 cm which is a lot for a woman, plus you are a very nice woman so I think everyone was wondering if it is a requirement in modeling. I hope you keep telling your experience in the newspaper, forgive my English but I am from South America and I speak Spanish. I would like information about the price and the time that you will be in Greece, if you can provide me the mail of the dr I would thank you even more. Thank you very much and I wish you the best, anything will be there to help you.

so this was a mistake haha I'm 167cm tall sorry for the mistake. The LON for me was 30.200 euros including everything besides food and stay. NORMALLY I stay here for 3 months..
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 19, 2019, 02:57:14 PM
1,67 is tall for a women
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: ok on March 19, 2019, 06:00:19 PM
Great diary Jolien. All the best with your journey!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: james2334 on March 19, 2019, 07:21:54 PM
Thank you for answering personal questions as well. You are so wonderful
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 19, 2019, 08:08:57 PM
Sorry but I need to say that: you are beautiful.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: myloginacc on March 19, 2019, 09:55:34 PM
That 5% chance of internal nail infection is way too high. Glad you are going with someone who seems like a decent doctor, so far. I hope things keep progressing well.

Also, really courageous to show your face and sign posts with your name. I'd recommend thinking if you believe this won't change in the future, just to be safe.

I wish you all the best with your lengthening.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: short on March 19, 2019, 11:46:01 PM
I am thankful for every Giotikas diary.
What was your motivation to go for LON instead of pure internals?
Money, preventing knee-pain?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 20, 2019, 08:05:09 AM
I am thankful for every Giotikas diary.
What was your motivation to go for LON instead of pure internals?
Money, preventing knee-pain?

For me it was pretty simple, when I went back to my country I needed to wear long trousers and I needed to be able to go "walk" less or more. And because stryde was only available in April 2019 LON was  my only option. And I AM SOOOO HAPPY with my choise. Especially when I hear other stories about external only or Precice.

Kind regards!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: fivetenneeded2016 on March 20, 2019, 03:59:30 PM
I am thankful for every Giotikas diary.
What was your motivation to go for LON instead of pure internals?
Money, preventing knee-pain?
doing lon or internals or latn still would give you same knee issue, atleast theroritically all are same, speaking of tibias.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 20, 2019, 07:58:27 PM
I talked with Dr Giotikas in february and he told that time he already had stryde. Maybe he had only for femurs, I don't know. You don't care for the scars of TSF (is it tsf?)?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 21, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
I talked with Dr Giotikas in february and he told that time he already had stryde. Maybe he had only for femurs, I don't know. You don't care for the scars of TSF (is it tsf?)?

No I don't! They are not too bad as you can see in my google drive document.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 21, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Please, do not disappear after your consolidation. Keep posting small updates about your condition.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 22, 2019, 08:33:12 PM
I hope you are more stable on your right leg today.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 23, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
I hope you are more stable on your right leg today.

I'm really training as hard as I can to get stability back, I'm afraid it is not a one-day process. I need to train proprioception again. I also have the feeling that it is not only my balance but my gluteus muscles who are weak at my right side. The keep the hip up as you walk, which I can't at the moment. I'm gonna try to post video's of excercices and my gait right now.

Kind regards!

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 23, 2019, 07:48:55 PM
Waiting the videos.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 25, 2019, 11:01:01 AM
Waiting the videos.
Still waiting.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: 4cms on March 25, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
Still waiting.

Take it easy buddy
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 25, 2019, 11:40:26 AM
Sorry. :)
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: takura on March 25, 2019, 06:57:04 PM
Sorry. :)

It’s getting quite pathetic what you’re doing to be honest . No she won’t sleep with you bro, she’s only sharing her experience

Have you never seen a girl before that you feel the need to give her so much attention

Chill!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 25, 2019, 08:09:26 PM
Wow, dont expect that. I comment in other (male) diaries the same way I do here. I'll not discuss this absurd anymore. I'll not pollute someone's diary with this absurd claims. Please, lets be polite and reasonable.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 25, 2019, 08:18:19 PM
Quote
I noticed I cannot stretch my right leg enough to keep my heel on the ground when my left foot takes a step. PROBLEM!!!
Sorry to read that. Hope you recovery well.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: cheekycabs on March 25, 2019, 08:46:34 PM
Wow, dont expect that. I comment in other (male) diaries the same way I do here.

Sorry but I need to say that: you are beautiful.

Yeah, I do the same hahah!!  ;D
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: 177cmm on March 25, 2019, 09:17:35 PM
It’s getting quite pathetic what you’re doing to be honest . No she won’t sleep with you bro, she’s only sharing her experience

Have you never seen a girl before that you feel the need to give her so much attention

Chill!
Haha i had same thought. Such a beta behaviour. OK girl is looking pretty good but behaving like that and in internet lel, I wouldn't even let myself on something like that in real, my last gf was jumping around me so I adapted to this, not 360° difference.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 27, 2019, 09:15:59 AM
Sorry to read that. Hope you recovery well.

Yes me too! I do a lot of squads which pushes my heel down and I try to walk as much as possible, I feel after walking a while the heel touches the ground again, but still, this is really not a good sign!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 30, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
Waiting the videos.

The videos are in my google drive map!! sorry for the long waiting!

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 30, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Your range of motion is good. You look health and fine.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: james2334 on March 31, 2019, 02:34:49 AM
The videos are in my google drive map!! sorry for the long waiting!

Kind regards

Jolien
It looks like a very good move. I am looking forward to updating my diary and videos.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on March 31, 2019, 02:29:40 PM
It doesnt hurt when you squat on one leg?

The device is really full weigh bearing...
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on March 31, 2019, 06:31:47 PM
It doesnt hurt when you squat on one leg?

The device is really full weigh bearing...

Yes it is really full weight bearing! I doesnt hurt, I only have trouble keeping my hip up as you can see. With the other leg it is like normal.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 08, 2019, 04:52:50 PM
Congrats for you 4cm lengthening. You are almost there.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 16, 2019, 04:27:55 PM
Just uploaded a video of me walking at 4.7cm.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: jievince3 on April 17, 2019, 03:03:07 AM
beautiful girl.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: jievince3 on April 17, 2019, 03:05:47 AM
When can you remove your nails? So far, including surgery costs and accommodation, eating, how much did you spend in total?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: 7231 on April 17, 2019, 04:44:52 AM
nice diary, you are extremely beautiful, like many already said and you seem to be a nice person as well. Are you from spain or argentina or nearby countries? btw, are you ok being public with your LL story? I mean since you are not hiding your face, people who know you, if they come across this site will 'know what you did this spring' (that is LL :)). One confusion - looks like you are doing pure external, not LON , right? or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 17, 2019, 11:36:32 AM
When can you remove your nails? So far, including surgery costs and accommodation, eating, how much did you spend in total?

Hi!

Because I stayed for more than a month in the revalidation centre it costed me way much more than expected (60.000 will be the total amount probably)

But if not this where my estimations.   
29.600 lenghening
3.000 cosmetic scar reduction
4500 3 months stay in Greece Airbnb
600 food
500 flights
1000 exta's
6000 for complications, extra surgeries, longer stay...
2000 nurse-aid at home
= 47.200

Kind regards!

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: james2334 on April 17, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
Hi!

Because I stayed for more than a month in the revalidation centre it costed me way much more than expected (60.000 will be the total amount probably)

But if not this where my estimations.   
29.600 lenghening
3.000 cosmetic scar reduction
4500 3 months stay in Greece Airbnb
600 food
500 flights
1000 exta's
6000 for complications, extra surgeries, longer stay...
2000 nurse-aid at home
= 47.200

Kind regards!

Jolien

Is the rehab center stay at around 1800 euros in two weeks?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 17, 2019, 04:17:53 PM
Did you achieve your goal? Are you in consolidation phase now?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 17, 2019, 07:07:51 PM
Is the rehab center stay at around 1800 euros in two weeks?

The rehab centre is 2700 euro every two weeks.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on April 17, 2019, 07:10:42 PM
The rehab centre is 2700 euro every two weeks.

Dunno if you already answered that but what’s the reason you did the surgery, just asking out of curiosity, you already looked quite tall and also attractive
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 17, 2019, 07:10:52 PM
nice diary, you are extremely beautiful, like many already said and you seem to be a nice person as well. Are you from spain or argentina or nearby countries? btw, are you ok being public with your LL story? I mean since you are not hiding your face, people who know you, if they come across this site will 'know what you did this spring' (that is LL :)). One confusion - looks like you are doing pure external, not LON , right? or am I mistaken?

hi! Thankyou ;-)
I'm not from any of those countries or nearby.
yes kind of. It is not something that I'm ashamed of doing. And if someone comes across, they have the same idea otherwise you wouldnt be on this forum.
I am doing LON. Hopefully my externals can go of very soon.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 17, 2019, 07:12:55 PM
Did you achieve your goal? Are you in consolidation phase now?

Because my last X-ray of last friday showed very little bone regeneration I needed to quit lengtening since yesterday. I have a CT scan tomorrow and hopefully I'm gonna see Dr. Giotikas to ask what the following plans are. So for now I'm not in consolidation phase yet. Some stupid 3 mm to go hahahaha
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 17, 2019, 07:16:04 PM
Dunno if you already answered that but what’s the reason you did the surgery, just asking out of curiosity, you already looked quite tall and also attractive

Hi!

Thankyou,
I did the surgery because I was not happy with the proportion between my lower and upper legs. My lower legs always looked to small in my eyes. I also didnt walked very elegantly (I had kneecaps who were really pointing inwards) so I also did a rotation of my tibia's to fix that.

So to be clear, it was not to gain heigth (I was 167cm)

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 17, 2019, 07:17:06 PM
I will add my latest x-ray in my google doc now
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 17, 2019, 08:16:37 PM
Because my last X-ray of last friday showed very little bone regeneration I needed to quit lengtening since yesterday. I have a CT scan tomorrow and hopefully I'm gonna see Dr. Giotikas to ask what the following plans are. So for now I'm not in consolidation phase yet. Some stupid 3 mm to go hahahaha
Keep us updated with what Dr. Giotikas told you.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: jievince3 on April 18, 2019, 11:23:28 AM
Hi!

Because I stayed for more than a month in the revalidation centre it costed me way much more than expected (60.000 will be the total amount probably)

But if not this where my estimations.   
29.600 lenghening
3.000 cosmetic scar reduction
4500 3 months stay in Greece Airbnb
600 food
500 flights
1000 exta's
6000 for complications, extra surgeries, longer stay...
2000 nurse-aid at home
= 47.200

Kind regards!

Jolien


Why the price of LL is 29.600 ? The Dr.G's website says 22.000 is needed.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 18, 2019, 05:42:49 PM

Why the price of LL is 29.600 ? The Dr.G's website says 22.000 is needed.

I have no idea about that. This was around the price I paid for LON (I think externals were 22.000, not sure)
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: ned_flanders on April 18, 2019, 08:56:32 PM
You need to walk alot. Its the key to callous formation.
1,5 km a day. 5 days a week.
And also standup regularily throughout the day.
Doesnt have to be much. Like 5 minutes every hour if.

Calcium+ K2
And stay in sun for 40 min. If not sunny day take 5000IU D vitamin
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: StrangeDays67 on April 18, 2019, 10:23:55 PM
Did you measure your tibia to femur ratio before the surgery? I doubt it was that out of proportion. The post op results still look good, though. Longer legs work better on women anyways.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on April 19, 2019, 07:55:47 AM
Did you measure your tibia to femur ratio before the surgery? I doubt it was that out of proportion. The post op results still look good, though. Longer legs work better on women anyways.

I think there are studies that demonstrate that they work better overall on anyone, without making the ratios weird i mean
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: StrangeDays67 on April 19, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
You mean having longer tibia?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: champion90 on April 19, 2019, 03:26:11 PM
The rehab centre is 2700 euro every two weeks.

for this price do you intend staying at the Mediterraneo rehabilitation center with bed etc ?? thank you
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on April 19, 2019, 04:43:07 PM
You mean having longer tibia?

Overall long legs while keeping good ratios but also long tibias
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 20, 2019, 01:36:00 AM
So, what's the plan of Dr Giotikas to deal with your lack of bone regeneration?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on April 20, 2019, 08:37:07 AM
@Jolien any chance you give me the exact name of those things made of wood i guess that you use for stretching your feet, the one you said you bought from Amazon for about 16 euro
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 23, 2019, 08:23:06 AM
Thank you for the tips!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 23, 2019, 08:24:06 AM
Yes Dr. Giotikas did! He told me with the lengthening my proportion will be perfect!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 23, 2019, 08:25:42 AM
I stay now at the Theseus rehabilitation centre. And yes, this is everything included. Nurses, doctors, physiotherapy a bed, everything. It is really like in a hospital. I think the safest place you can be.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 23, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
He hasn't evaluated my CT scans yet, so I hope he will tell me his plan soon.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 23, 2019, 08:32:19 AM
@Jolien any chance you give me the exact name of those things made of wood i guess that you use for stretching your feet, the one you said you bought from Amazon for about 16 euro

Yes ofcourse!! I will post a screenshot of the name and picture in my google drive. The name on amazon was "Comfortable Dense Foam Incline Compact Stretch Wedge - Calf, Wrist - 14.5 Deg".

But I think you will find them when you search for calf stretcher as well.
They are not strong enough to stretch a normal calf but certainly perfect when you are almost having a ballerina foot during lengthening. So when you are in the lengthening process this works perfect! 
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on April 23, 2019, 05:22:47 PM
Thx
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: jievince3 on April 24, 2019, 05:13:30 AM
When will you remove your frames?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: champion90 on April 24, 2019, 11:07:47 AM
Jolien also I would like to work in a year from dr Giotikas .. and facing everything alone I would also opt for the Theseus rehabilitation center .. could you tell me the price per night and what does not include? and if there are monthly discounts since I would be at least 2 months .. thank you friend
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on April 24, 2019, 04:03:04 PM
Im sorry but why on earth would you do lengthening if you are 167 cm?

Also did he insert a nail inside your knees? And how does it feel to have a nail in and out of your tibia?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 24, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Im sorry but why on earth would you do lengthening if you are 167 cm?

Also did he insert a nail inside your knees? And how does it feel to have a nail in and out of your tibia?

Hi!

Thankyou,
I did the surgery because I was not happy with the proportion between my lower and upper legs. My lower legs always looked to small in my eyes. I also didnt walked very elegantly (I had kneecaps who were really pointing inwards) so I also did a rotation of my tibia's to fix that.

So to be clear, it was not to gain heigth (I was 167cm)

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 24, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
Im sorry but why on earth would you do lengthening if you are 167 cm?

Also did he insert a nail inside your knees? And how does it feel to have a nail in and out of your tibia?

Hahahaha the best question I had so far!! It feels like a biiiiig heavy nail in the middle of you bone. exactly like it is! hahahaha no you dont feel anything!! inside the bone you dont have sensation so dont worry. You are only sore at your knee because the nail goes in true the patellar tendon. ;)
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 24, 2019, 05:04:10 PM
When will you remove your frames?
I hope soon!! For now I don't know yet! I quit lengthening because of lack in bone regeneration and I'm waiting for new orders from the surgeon.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 24, 2019, 05:09:39 PM
Jolien also I would like to work in a year from dr Giotikas .. and facing everything alone I would also opt for the Theseus rehabilitation center .. could you tell me the price per night and what does not include? and if there are monthly discounts since I would be at least 2 months .. thank you friend

The price they asked me was
1 bed bedroom: 385euros -> I got 20% reduction: 300 euros
2 bed bedroom: 224 euros -> I got 20% reduction: 180 euros
3 bed bedroom: 180 euros -> I got 20% reduction: 144 euros.

This includes everything you get in a hospital (no medication included but this is payed by giotikas) + physiotherapy. If you stay here you theoretically only need to pay the taxi to the hospital and back for x-rays and surgery.

But to be honest, this is THE most expensive rehab centre of the city and it really laks experience (only open for 2 years) I THINK (I'm not sure) that there are a lot better centre which you will pay the same or less. If I would do it again I would go to a more experienced centre.

Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: champion90 on April 25, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
did you look for it or did Giotikas recommend it to you? Because I wouldn't know how to find one .. in fact it's not cheap if you have to stay there 3 months .. thk homie
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: azman on April 25, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
Hi Jolien

On Dr. Giotikas BJR website it states:

After your discharge from the hospital you will be transferred either to Mediterranean rehabilitation Centre (MESKA)  in Loutraki or to your hotel room or apartment if you have chosen to have physiotherapy as an outpatient.

Are Dr. Giotikas requiring us to stay at Theseus rehabilitation center or do physiotherapy at Theseus?

So Dr. Giotikas does not using or referring us to Mediterranean rehabilitation Centre (MESKA) anymore?

Thanks
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 26, 2019, 01:17:15 AM
Shouldn't the doctor see patient x ray at least every month? How Dr Giotikas didn't notice your lack of bone regeneration till you are almost 5cm? Are you not worried?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 26, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
Hi Jolien

On Dr. Giotikas BJR website it states:

After your discharge from the hospital you will be transferred either to Mediterranean rehabilitation Centre (MESKA)  in Loutraki or to your hotel room or apartment if you have chosen to have physiotherapy as an outpatient.

Are Dr. Giotikas requiring us to stay at Theseus rehabilitation center or do physiotherapy at Theseus?

So Dr. Giotikas does not using or referring us to Mediterranean rehabilitation Centre (MESKA) anymore?

Thanks

Hi Azman,

He asked us to pay in advance for the physiotherapy sessions at Theseus. So that is the standard treatment plan. You are not forced to do this. If you want to do it different he will pay your money back and you can go to another centre, a private therapist,...

He didnt told me anything about MESKA.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 26, 2019, 10:58:04 AM
Shouldn't the doctor see patient x ray at least every month? How Dr Giotikas didn't notice your lack of bone regeneration till you are almost 5cm? Are you not worried?

We had x-rays every two weeks, and the previous x-rays he said my consolidation looked good so I dont know what changed his mind.

I just got a call from him, the CT scan looked great, so my bone regeneration is fine so I can do the last mm in peace!

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Ghostfish on April 26, 2019, 11:33:18 AM
We had x-rays every two weeks, and the previous x-rays he said my consolidation looked good so I dont know what changed his mind.

I just got a call from him, the CT scan looked great, so my bone regeneration is fine so I can do the last mm in peace!

Kind regards

Jolien
That is a great news!  Congrats! Jolien
You are almost there! Keep up the good work!
Wish you the best of luck!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 26, 2019, 04:35:52 PM
Congratulation, Jolien. Let us know when you are finished lengthening.
If you can, post picture of xray on google drive.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: James on April 27, 2019, 08:43:53 AM
Thanks OP for the informative diary. We need more diaries like this about Dr. G.

I do have a question about the pricing : on Dr. Giotika's website it says tibia lengthening with Taylor spatial frame is 22600 EUR including everything besides food and stay. http://www.athensbjr.com/cost-and-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening.html

Why did you have to pay 30200 EUR for virtually the same package though ? Thanks for your time OP.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on April 27, 2019, 02:23:05 PM
Thanks OP for the informative diary. We need more diaries like this about Dr. G.

I do have a question about the pricing : on Dr. Giotika's website it says tibia lengthening with Taylor spatial frame is 22600 EUR including everything besides food and stay. http://www.athensbjr.com/cost-and-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening.html

Why did you have to pay 30200 EUR for virtually the same package though ? Thanks for your time OP.

Hi James,

22.600 euros is the price he asked me for externals only, maybe that's what causes the price difference. But it is maybe interesting to write an email about that? maybe it is changed by now? or maybe this are the old prices I dont know.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Great321 on April 27, 2019, 03:17:41 PM
I know for sure that LON costs more than externals only. Dr. Giotikas offered me LON once, but I'd have to pay about 7.500€ more on top of the 22.600€.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on April 30, 2019, 08:23:56 PM
Congratulations, Jolien. I saw on your google doc you achieve your 5cm. Now things will start to get better and better.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: TinyTL on April 30, 2019, 08:34:52 PM
are you going to share x-ray with us?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 05, 2019, 07:15:58 AM
are you going to share x-ray with us?

All the x-rays I have are on my google doc :D the link can be found in my first message in this discussion.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: TinyTL on May 05, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
saw your x-rays.
im worried about the callous

have you taken any steps since that x-ray?
increased calcium, or walking?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: azman on May 08, 2019, 05:48:53 PM
Hi Jolien,

How you feeling lately?  Hope all is well.

Can you tell me more of your stay at the Theseus rehabilitation center?

How was the staff?

How was the food?

Are there a  jacuzzi there for sore muscle for internal Precice or is that no good for CLL?

Where did you stay after leaving Theseus?

Did Dr. Giotikas assistant help find you a place?

Thanks
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 13, 2019, 01:11:20 PM
saw your x-rays.
im worried about the callous

have you taken any steps since that x-ray?
increased calcium, or walking?

No I didnt. Dr. Giotikas took a CT scan and told me my consolidation was oke.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 13, 2019, 01:13:36 PM
Hi Jolien,

How you feeling lately?  Hope all is well.

Can you tell me more of your stay at the Theseus rehabilitation center?

How was the staff?

How was the food?

Are there a  jacuzzi there for sore muscle for internal Precice or is that no good for CLL?

Where did you stay after leaving Theseus?

Did Dr. Giotikas assistant help find you a place?

Thanks

For me the staff was a little inexperienced.

The food is not good haha hospital food so I ordered sometimes delivery food.

They dont have a jacuzzi, they do have a swimming pool!

I now stay at an appartement where I get private physiotherapy.

If you want the assistent can you help finding a place yes.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: james2334 on May 13, 2019, 01:57:21 PM
For me the staff was a little inexperienced.

The food is not good haha hospital food so I ordered sometimes delivery food.

They dont have a jacuzzi, they do have a swimming pool!

I now stay at an appartement where I get private physiotherapy.

If you want the assistent can you help finding a place yes.

Kind regards

Jolien

Is the quality of physical therapy in Greece not good?  Do you have physical therapy in addition to the physical therapy provided by the hospital?  Do you know the price etc?  And how are you doing now?  It seems to have reached 5 cm, but I am worried about walking etc.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on May 14, 2019, 12:32:32 PM
I kinda feel like the quality of the hospital in athens that giotikas does the surgery in isnt the best thing ?
can u tell us a true opinion about that ?
is it a clean professional place or more basic?
and the Dr himself is he strict or does he listen & help & has alot of knowledge ?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 18, 2019, 09:44:03 AM
Is the quality of physical therapy in Greece not good?  Do you have physical therapy in addition to the physical therapy provided by the hospital?  Do you know the price etc?  And how are you doing now?  It seems to have reached 5 cm, but I am worried about walking etc.

Personally I was not very happy with the physiotherapy I got at Theseus. I now have private physiotherapy at home. I left Theseus because it was to expensive fot another mont. I CAN WALK WITHOUT WALKER!!!!!! My leg magically started working again properly after my frames came off!!! I'm the luckiest girl in the world!!! Now I just walk without any support. :)))))))))
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 18, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
I kinda feel like the quality of the hospital in athens that giotikas does the surgery in isnt the best thing ?
can u tell us a true opinion about that ?
is it a clean professional place or more basic?
and the Dr himself is he strict or does he listen & help & has alot of knowledge ?

I personally was very happy about the hospital. No complaints at all.

The doctor does listens and helps. He is a nice person. Goh I hope he has!!

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Great321 on May 18, 2019, 12:33:03 PM
Congratulations for being able to walk without the walker ;D

Maybe LON is better than fully externals. Anyway this gives me hope, too.

How is your gait and do you have any kind of slight "ballerina foot". Can you walk straight or still a bit bend over?

Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on May 18, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Personally I was not very happy with the physiotherapy I got at Theseus. I now have private physiotherapy at home. I left Theseus because it was to expensive fot another mont. I CAN WALK WITHOUT WALKER!!!!!! My leg magically started working again properly after my frames came off!!! I'm the luckiest girl in the world!!! Now I just walk without any support. :)))))))))
Congratulations. So you already took frames off?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: PAGrb490 on May 18, 2019, 05:17:40 PM
Congrats!!!! So happy for you!!! You go girl !!!! ;)
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Activatedx on May 18, 2019, 06:33:51 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm a 22 year-old girl who did LON surgery 12th of February 2019 with Dr. Giotikas. I would love to share as much as I can but keep it a little clear. That's why I'm writing everything down in a google drive document. I hope it works, if not please let me know!!

Kind regards


https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kLRNzGUbKcTqfX_lj12FvojHiUgjS1yA?usp=sharing



How is everything going so far? I am considering either Armenia or Greece this coming year, hope to go to Giotikas for stryde femurs and tsf tibia for 11.5-12cm combined. Have you had any complications so far?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: james2334 on May 19, 2019, 02:18:52 AM
Personally I was not very happy with the physiotherapy I got at Theseus. I now have private physiotherapy at home. I left Theseus because it was to expensive fot another mont. I CAN WALK WITHOUT WALKER!!!!!! My leg magically started working again properly after my frames came off!!! I'm the luckiest girl in the world!!! Now I just walk without any support. :)))))))))

I am happy that you look good.  Well now you are doing physical therapy in your apartment.  Did you find that physical therapy yourself?  Or did you introduce it from Giotikas?  Please tell me the price of physical therapy if it is good.  Are you dissatisfied with Greece or Giotikas outside of physical therapy?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: james2334 on May 19, 2019, 02:23:17 AM

How is everything going so far? I am considering either Armenia or Greece this coming year, hope to go to Giotikas for stryde femurs and tsf tibia for 11.5-12cm combined. Have you had any complications so far?
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I think Armenia is the worst option.  There are Japanese men who have extended 10 cm without problems, but there are also some patients who can not walk well due to their transformation.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: cheekycabs on May 19, 2019, 07:34:49 PM
Congratulations for being able to walk without the walker ;D

Maybe LON is better than fully externals. Anyway this gives me hope, too.

How is your gait and do you have any kind of slight "ballerina foot". Can you walk straight or still a bit bend over?

Starting to agree with this... 8 months of frames absolutely sucks.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on May 20, 2019, 03:12:47 AM
It's obvious LON/LATN is better than full externals. Birkholtz made everyone paranoid.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 20, 2019, 08:53:57 AM
Congratulations for being able to walk without the walker ;D

Maybe LON is better than fully externals. Anyway this gives me hope, too.

How is your gait and do you have any kind of slight "ballerina foot". Can you walk straight or still a bit bend over?

I'm walking better everyday! I'm back home now and will upload a video of me walking pretty soon!! I need to wear special boots who keep my ankle in a 90° angle so it is pretty difficult to walk normal with those. But overal I walk pretty normal I think!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 20, 2019, 08:56:28 AM


How is everything going so far? I am considering either Armenia or Greece this coming year, hope to go to Giotikas for stryde femurs and tsf tibia for 11.5-12cm combined. Have you had any complications so far?

Yes ofcourse! I had two pinsite infections, I had a slight ballerina foot and my biggest problem was that I couldnt walk without walker!

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 20, 2019, 08:58:37 AM
I am happy that you look good.  Well now you are doing physical therapy in your apartment.  Did you find that physical therapy yourself?  Or did you introduce it from Giotikas?  Please tell me the price of physical therapy if it is good.  Are you dissatisfied with Greece or Giotikas outside of physical therapy?

In Greece the average price is between 30 and 50 euros for one hour of private physiotherapy. I found my private physiotherapist via the Theseus rehab centre. I'm not dissatisfied with Greece or Giotikas.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 23, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
I uploaded a video of me walking 1 week after frame removal on the google drive

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: MirinHeight on May 23, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
I uploaded a video of me walking 1 week after frame removal on the google drive

Kind regards

Jolien

wow your walk looks really good and its only gnna get better! would advise using crutches until close to 100% though!

also I had a quick question about compartment syndrome. Did Dr. Giotikas mention anything about it, and how he would treat/prevent it. It is a major concern when doing tibias.

Thank you for your time
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 23, 2019, 02:14:58 PM
wow your walk looks really good and its only gnna get better! would advise using crutches until close to 100% though!

also I had a quick question about compartment syndrome. Did Dr. Giotikas mention anything about it, and how he would treat/prevent it. It is a major concern when doing tibias.

Thank you for your time

Dear,

thankyou!

He did mentioned compartment syndrome, I think (not sure anymore) that he will do fasciotomy when this appears. I dont think he did anything to prevent it.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: MirinHeight on May 23, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
Dear,

thankyou!

He did mentioned compartment syndrome, I think (not sure anymore) that he will do fasciotomy when this appears. I dont think he did anything to prevent it.

Kind regards

Jolien

sounds good, thank you!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 23, 2019, 02:28:22 PM
sounds good, thank you!

Or maybe he did a small incision in the fascia. I'm doubting now hahah but it is not mentioned in my medical report so I really dont know I'm sorry
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: LLwarrior on May 23, 2019, 04:36:07 PM
do you feel any pain now ? and when walking ?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 24, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
do you feel any pain now ? and when walking ?

No I dont!! :-)
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on May 24, 2019, 07:15:04 PM
i mean, sorry but didnt you do LON ?
Which means nails has been inserted inside and outside your tibia, knee,ankle!
How can you not feel pain?
while others who do this say they walk like penguins and normal walking is so hard to attain after such surgery....
Or is it because you are already extremely tall 175 or sth ?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 25, 2019, 08:05:29 AM
i mean, sorry but didnt you do LON ?
Which means nails has been inserted inside and outside your tibia, knee,ankle!
How can you not feel pain?
while others who do this say they walk like penguins and normal walking is so hard to attain after such surgery....
Or is it because you are already extremely tall 175 or sth ?

I did LON indeed! my internal nail is like you can see on the X-rays (in my google doc) not that long. It ends at the last 1/3 of my Tibia. I never had pain when I walked, only in the beginning after 5 minutes walking because my bloodflow was not oke. But I never had pain because of the nail!

Now I am 171,5cm (so with 5cm lenghtening)

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: azman on May 26, 2019, 07:18:36 AM
Hey Jolien,

Glad to hear that you are doing good.

Question:

When you were at the Theseus rehab centre, did they give you a schedule of when and what you can do there?

Can you use the PT center and the pool at anytime without a therapist?

Thanks

 
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on May 26, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
Hey Jolien,

Glad to hear that you are doing good.

Question:

When you were at the Theseus rehab centre, did they give you a schedule of when and what you can do there?

Can you use the PT center and the pool at anytime without a therapist?

Thanks

 

Dear,

they didnt gave me a shedule of things I could do on my own, but ofcourse if you let them feel you want to do more you can obviously! The physiotherapists will explain you excercices you can do on your own.

Because of my frame I was to scared for infections so I didnt used the pool. I think it is a pool with supervision only and to small to really swim. But like I said Theseus is not the only rehab centre in Athens and I found some with a big pool where you can swim.

I also had the idea that I would be active for the entire day but you feel that if you walked one hour and did two hours of excercices a day you are fed up already. But this is my own experience.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Great321 on May 26, 2019, 03:23:53 PM
With frames on you don't go swimming anyways. Only afterwards walking in the water is good.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: azman on June 01, 2019, 08:32:47 AM
Hi Jolien

Sorry the pool question was for Precise nail.

Is there a patio or outside area at the Theseus centre in which you can be in the sun?
I been looking at their site and could not  locate it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 04, 2019, 08:31:28 AM
Hi Jolien

Sorry the pool question was for Precise nail.

Is there a patio or outside area at the Theseus centre in which you can be in the sun?
I been looking at their site and could not  locate it.

Thanks

Yes there is!!!! I was soooo happy for that!! There is a super cute little park on the roof and a coffee shop. I always went out in the morning and you can do super nice walks outside!!! this was such a bless for me!!! xx
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 04, 2019, 08:32:16 AM
I posted a before and after picture in my word document in google drive. I also posted a video of me walking today!

Kind regards!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: LLwarrior on June 04, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
I posted a before and after picture in my word document in google drive. I also posted a video of me walking today!

Kind regards!

Hello, could you post a photo of your scars at this moment ? i want to see how they look
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on June 04, 2019, 01:52:09 PM
Jolien how many months did you stay-in Athens?

Where did you stay?

Ans this garden you are walking in is in the hospital or where exactly?

& what is thesus center??
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: wannagrowtaller on June 04, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Your gait looks pretty good to me only 3 weeks after frame removal. Now I hope you recover well.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 04, 2019, 05:36:26 PM
Your gait looks pretty good to me only 3 weeks after frame removal. Now I hope you recover well.

Thank you! x
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 04, 2019, 05:38:06 PM
Jolien how many months did you stay-in Athens?

Where did you stay?

Ans this garden you are walking in is in the hospital or where exactly?

& what is thesus center??

 I stayed there for 3 months
The garden was at the rooftop of the revalidation centre called Theseus.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: azman on June 05, 2019, 03:20:21 AM
Hey Jolien

That’s awesome to hear that there a roof top garden.

I'm been trying to decide if I should chose Dr. Giotikas to do my CLL on my femur with stryde.

Have you meet any of his patient during your stay in Athens that has done internal Precice 2.2 or Stryde on the femur or tibia?

If so, how were they, did their surgery went ok?

Thanks
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 10, 2019, 07:38:20 AM
Hey Jolien

That’s awesome to hear that there a roof top garden.

I'm been trying to decide if I should chose Dr. Giotikas to do my CLL on my femur with stryde.

Have you meet any of his patient during your stay in Athens that has done internal Precice 2.2 or Stryde on the femur or tibia?

If so, how were they, did their surgery went ok?

Thanks

I did, they all reacted different but overall I think they all will be fine in the near future. :-D
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 10, 2019, 07:43:59 AM
Hello, could you post a photo of your scars at this moment ? i want to see how they look

Dear,

I uploaded some pictures of my scars on my word google doc.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: InFullStryde on June 10, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
Dear,

I uploaded some pictures of my scars on my word google doc.

Kind regards

Great diary, Jolien.  I reviewed the Google Docs area and you have provided excellent material and information for future Tibia Lengthening patients.  Based on your walk; you are well on your way to recovery.  Proportions for Femur/Tibia look wonderful. 

Best wishes and in advance, congratulations on a successful recovery!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on June 10, 2019, 03:17:56 PM
Yeah best diary by a landslide
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 10, 2019, 07:13:48 PM
Great diary, Jolien.  I reviewed the Google Docs area and you have provided excellent material and information for future Tibia Lengthening patients.  Based on your walk; you are well on your way to recovery.  Proportions for Femur/Tibia look wonderful. 

Best wishes and in advance, congratulations on a successful recovery!

Thank you so much!! I wish you the best as well!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: MirinHeight on June 11, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
Im honestly very impressed with Dr. Giotikas.
hoping to see many more great diaries on him on this forum.

You had one of the best recoveries ive seen on this forum Jolien. Very informative diary as well.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 11, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Im honestly very impressed with Dr. Giotikas.
hoping to see many more great diaries on him on this forum.

You had one of the best recoveries ive seen on this forum Jolien. Very informative diary as well.

Thank you!

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Apoplectic on June 11, 2019, 10:42:07 PM
You're walk is already very good.
Dr Giotikas looks to be a major player in this field in the near future.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: sylar94 on June 11, 2019, 10:48:48 PM
I feel like Jolien deserves more credit for the fast recovery than Giotikas
It is the most organized diary and Jolien was very focused on PT
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 12, 2019, 10:15:50 AM
I feel like Jolien deserves more credit for the fast recovery than Giotikas
It is the most organized diary and Jolien was very focused on PT

This is a very interesting topic actually. And I certainly dont wanne take credits away from Dr. Giotikas, but I think the recovery speed dependens on the flexibility you are born with (I was very flexible) and the amount of time you stretch and do excercices which also depends on the coaching you get (where Dr. Giotikas was certainly part of). I lived in so much fear because I lied to all my friends and family about this so I couldnt afford anything going wrong and I really didnt want to go back home disabled. So I just pushed through because I was terrified as f*ck hahah.

I think the more dedication you have the better results you will get; you are gonna take more care of your pinsites, you are gonna workout more consistently, you are gonna push through the pain more and focus on the progress instead of the pain and exhaustement. Because after all, the surgeon only puts your nail and/or frame on, all the rest is up to you.


Kind regards

Jolien 
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Activatedx on June 12, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
This is a very interesting topic actually. And I certainly dont wanne take credits away from Dr. Giotikas, but I think the recovery speed dependens on the flexibility you are born with (I was very flexible) and the amount of time you stretch and do excercices which also depends on the coaching you get (where Dr. Giotikas was certainly part of). I lived in so much fear because I lied to all my friends and family about this so I couldnt afford anything going wrong and I really didnt want to go back home disabled. So I just pushed through because I was terrified as f*ck hahah.

I think the more dedication you have the better results you will get; you are gonna take more care of your pinsites, you are gonna workout more consistently, you are gonna push through the pain more and focus on the progress instead of the pain and exhaustement. Because after all, the surgeon only puts your nail and/or frame on, all the rest is up to you.


Kind regards

Jolien



You mentioned you spent 6k on complications, may I ask what complications?

Also that’s a lot on scar revision, I’m not a hairy person except for my legs so good thing for me that will definitely cover up the scars lol
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 12, 2019, 08:18:28 PM


You mentioned you spent 6k on complications, may I ask what complications?

Also that’s a lot on scar revision, I’m not a hairy person except for my legs so good thing for me that will definitely cover up the scars lol

No I saved 6K for potential complications. I didnt spend anything in real life.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: sylar94 on June 12, 2019, 10:07:05 PM
Also Jolien looks very skinny; maybe this helps with recovery

Jolien, did you do blood tests for Vitamin D before surgery? Did you take any supplements to speed up recovery?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 13, 2019, 03:07:14 PM
Also Jolien looks very skinny; maybe this helps with recovery

Jolien, did you do blood tests for Vitamin D before surgery? Did you take any supplements to speed up recovery?

I actually recommend to be keep a little more reserve. Because I was so skinny I had to push even more to get all my excercises and walking done every day. Also if something would happen like a pneumonia or an osteomyelitis I would have been in severe trouble. So I think in contrary, it is better to be a little more fatty.

They test your blood before surgery and if you have a deficiency you get supplements. For me it was Iron. I'm now taking calcium still.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 25, 2019, 07:27:58 PM
I put my google doc only again. My apologies for this. I will post a video of my excersices I'm doing now and I uploaded my x-rays of yesterday.

Kind regards!

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 25, 2019, 07:33:25 PM
I put my google doc only again. My apologies for this. I will post a video of my excersices I'm doing now and I uploaded my x-rays of yesterday.

Kind regards!

Jolien

*online
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on June 25, 2019, 07:35:26 PM
I also go to a very known and experienced orthopedic surgeon of my country and he said I can just walk without crutches and he even said I could start jogging in 2 monts already!! (not that I am gonna do that tho)
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on July 03, 2019, 11:55:42 AM
I also go to a very known and experienced orthopedic surgeon of my country and he said I can just walk without crutches and he even said I could start jogging in 2 monts already!! (not that I am gonna do that tho)

Hi Jolien, sorry i forgot how much did u lengthen? And u used LATN right?

Also, can you please say the difference between the regular Illizarov metallic silver frame and the Black tsf frame, like are the nails cutting through skin cleaner?
Is lengthening easier with it?
Less pain?

Because it seems that TsF is more bulky...
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Activatedx on July 03, 2019, 04:30:16 PM
Hi Jolien, sorry i forgot how much did u lengthen? And u used LATN right?

Also, can you please say the difference between the regular Illizarov metallic silver frame and the Black tsf frame, like are the nails cutting through skin cleaner?
Is lengthening easier with it?
Less pain?

Because it seems that TsF is more bulky...


Tsf is to correct deformity so is better if you have curvature in your bones or complications that cause deformity
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 08, 2019, 06:57:51 PM
Hi Jolien, sorry i forgot how much did u lengthen? And u used LATN right?

Also, can you please say the difference between the regular Illizarov metallic silver frame and the Black tsf frame, like are the nails cutting through skin cleaner?
Is lengthening easier with it?
Less pain?

Because it seems that TsF is more bulky...

Hi!

For what I have seen the Ilizarov frame has more pinsites, but they are all small. They are as small as my small pin sites (see google doc). I have in total 8 pinsites per leg, 3 of them are bigger. I think the Ilizarov has around 15 pinsites per leg. (not sure).

They have the same dimensions for what I have seen. Both frames diameters will be adjusted to your leg diameter. So the bigger your leg the bigger your frame.

You can also do a rotation with TSF which is not possible with Ilizarov.

So far for what I have seen and red is the LON less painfull to walk than a frame only. But this is only my experience.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on July 08, 2019, 08:52:49 PM
Omg, i just saw Thesus Rehab center and its a whole building!
I thought its like a small room in a hospital but can you please tell us more about this center?
First of all did Dr G tell u that this is the PT center or did he give u choices and you pick?

Or is Pt not even included in package and we search for it on our own ?
& what didnt u like about it?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 22, 2019, 10:39:29 AM
Omg, i just saw Thesus Rehab center and its a whole building!
I thought its like a small room in a hospital but can you please tell us more about this center?
First of all did Dr G tell u that this is the PT center or did he give u choices and you pick?

Or is Pt not even included in package and we search for it on our own ?
& what didnt u like about it?

It was in the package, but if you tell him I wanne do PT somewhere else he is gonna give you your PT money back.
I felt I could have done way much more in the guided PT I received. They are all very young and quit unexperienced, so yes it would be a miracle if they had a lot of leg-lengthening experience. And like I said earlier, I think it all depends on you, you cannot ask a physiotherapist to do physiotherapy 3 hours a day. A lot of excercises you figure out during your recovery that work for you and help you, you can do by yourself.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 22, 2019, 12:11:39 PM
I just posted a video of today! my walking and doing all kinds of tricks hahah

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on July 22, 2019, 12:21:21 PM
Looking great
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 22, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
I posted very detailedly my workout routine I'm doing now for more than a month already in my google doc.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on July 23, 2019, 10:36:39 AM
It was in the package, but if you tell him I wanne do PT somewhere else he is gonna give you your PT money back.
I felt I could have done way much more in the guided PT I received. They are all very young and quit unexperienced, so yes it would be a miracle if they had a lot of leg-lengthening experience. And like I said earlier, I think it all depends on you, you cannot ask a physiotherapist to do physiotherapy 3 hours a day. A lot of excercises you figure out during your recovery that work for you and help you, you can do by yourself.

Kind regards

So if this Thesus center isnt the best in athens and to be honest i dont want some young amaetured training my broken legs so How much is The PT refunded Amount and do you know famous better physiotherapist in athens ?
Plus if they are all young and inexperienced why did dr giotikas pick this center!!!! Doesnt he know ?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 23, 2019, 08:26:19 PM
So if this Thesus center isnt the best in athens and to be honest i dont want some young amaetured training my broken legs so How much is The PT refunded Amount and do you know famous better physiotherapist in athens ?
Plus if they are all young and inexperienced why did dr giotikas pick this center!!!! Doesnt he know ?

It is very close to the Mediterraneo hospital so I think for practical reasons. I have found a couple who are both physiotherapists and reallly good! If you are really going to Greece I will ask them if they are oke if I give you their contact information. For me this reaaaally made the difference.

The price I dont know exactly I think it is around 800 euros. Dont shoot me if this is not entirely correct. Just an estimation.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Shadow91 on July 26, 2019, 12:16:46 PM
Hi

I must say that you are very brave to go through this. Thank you for sharing your story and still answering our questions, especially when you could have easily stayed away from this forum.

 I would like to ask you a question or two. If you could revaluate your spending, how much did you spend in total?Not counting in the surgery cost and the price for stryde, but how much money should one set aside for rent,food,taxi,care, complications and etc. If you would stay for 3-4 months and chose to do it with stryde? Just a guess if you could.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: sylar94 on July 26, 2019, 02:21:52 PM
Jolien, how is your consolidation?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Kenda on July 26, 2019, 04:50:31 PM
It is very close to the Mediterraneo hospital so I think for practical reasons. I have found a couple who are both physiotherapists and reallly good! If you are really going to Greece I will ask them if they are oke if I give you their contact information. For me this reaaaally made the difference.

The price I dont know exactly I think it is around 800 euros. Dont shoot me if this is not entirely correct. Just an estimation.

Kind regards

Jolien

so Giotikas deducts 800 euros frompackage if i dont take his PT , Oh i thought its a couple of thousand euros..... (no problem i know its an estimate)
but his package contain how many times PT? & Is PT daily or 3 times per week or 2 times a day ??
yeah Private Message me please,,,the name of these other PT centers.
thanks in advance
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 26, 2019, 07:08:21 PM
Hi

I must say that you are very brave to go through this. Thank you for sharing your story and still answering our questions, especially when you could have easily stayed away from this forum.

 I would like to ask you a question or two. If you could revaluate your spending, how much did you spend in total?Not counting in the surgery cost and the price for stryde, but how much money should one set aside for rent,food,taxi,care, complications and etc. If you would stay for 3-4 months and chose to do it with stryde? Just a guess if you could.

Dear,

For me, it was veeery expensive because I stayed for a long time in the physiotherapy center itself. And overall it will certainly depend on what you eat, where you stay.

normally you have to take a taxi to the hospital once every two weeks which is around 50 euros.

I spended around 20.000 euros in total I think during my 3 month stay.

Kind regards

Jolien



Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 26, 2019, 07:10:58 PM
Jolien, how is your consolidation?

the 5th of August I have another x-ray. For now you can check my consolidation on my google doc. Both Giotikas and the docs I see here in my country are happy about it. Still taking vit. D en calcium every day and walking around all the time together with my pretty extensive revalidation chedule I think I cannot do more than pray hahah

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 26, 2019, 07:14:55 PM
so Giotikas deducts 800 euros frompackage if i dont take his PT , Oh i thought its a couple of thousand euros..... (no problem i know its an estimate)
but his package contain how many times PT? & Is PT daily or 3 times per week or 2 times a day ??
yeah Private Message me please,,,the name of these other PT centers.
thanks in advance

We had PT 3 times a week.
 I don't remember  which ones exactly are better. You should mail a little bit around and hear them out about their experience, how long they have been running,... I did the same. The prices though are all a little bit the same.
I will ask the two physiotherapists if you want their contact data.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 26, 2019, 07:16:48 PM
so Giotikas deducts 800 euros frompackage if i dont take his PT , Oh i thought its a couple of thousand euros..... (no problem i know its an estimate)
but his package contain how many times PT? & Is PT daily or 3 times per week or 2 times a day ??
yeah Private Message me please,,,the name of these other PT centers.
thanks in advance

If you are really gonna stay at the physiotherapy he gives you the money back and you can have as much physiotherapy as you want. This is included in the price you pay the centre. I had 2 times a day physiotherapy and I could do as much excercices I wanted on my own there.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Nestor on July 27, 2019, 03:49:06 PM
Hi Jolien, are you experiencing any knee pains? How is your walking now, do you still need crutches?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 27, 2019, 05:56:31 PM
Hi Jolien, are you experiencing any knee pains? How is your walking now, do you still need crutches?

Dear,

you can see a video of me walking from around a week ago.
I dont need crutches but because my consolidation is not full yet I am not allowed to do very long distances.
I dont have any knee pain. Only when I lie down on my side and I put my legs on each other I have some pain on the side of my knee where the knees touch each other.

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Nestor on July 28, 2019, 03:05:03 PM
Wow you look fantastic, never would guess you had any surgery, great going :) Did Dr. G say how long full consolidation would take? Do you find any discomfort if you walk long distances?
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 28, 2019, 07:27:55 PM
Wow you look fantastic, never would guess you had any surgery, great going :) Did Dr. G say how long full consolidation would take? Do you find any discomfort if you walk long distances?

Dear,
Thanks

I have never tried long distances because I'm not allowed :-D

My orthopedic surgeon in Belgium said you need to count on 1,5month per cm without internal nail and 2 months per cm with nail so for me that would be 10 months :-D


Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: champion90 on July 29, 2019, 12:57:17 AM
Hi Jolien
Sorry but I can't understand how you could have spent 20,000 euros in Athens in three months between lodging, food, assistance and taxis. It seems excessive to me. Could you please tell me about it?
thank you
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Rei on July 29, 2019, 04:26:10 AM
Hi Jolien
Sorry but I can't understand how you could have spent 20,000 euros in Athens in three months between lodging, food, assistance and taxis. It seems excessive to me. Could you please tell me about it?
thank you

She means including the actual surgery...
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 29, 2019, 02:00:32 PM
Hi Jolien
Sorry but I can't understand how you could have spent 20,000 euros in Athens in three months between lodging, food, assistance and taxis. It seems excessive to me. Could you please tell me about it?
thank you

Staying at the physiotherapy centre costs a looooot of money.

Kind regards
Jolien 
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on July 29, 2019, 02:01:05 PM
She means including the actual surgery...

Haha I wish I did! ;p
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 08, 2019, 08:04:06 PM
Dear,

I just uploaded my X-rays of the 5th of August. I put them down below the google doc.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: champion90 on August 08, 2019, 08:45:20 PM
ahh .. I believe it! At the center I think it costs 200 euros a night ... that's how you spent all that money .. if you had gone to an airbnb near you would have spent 12,000 euros less as a minimum
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Heightmare on August 08, 2019, 10:05:18 PM
Since I'm looking into going with Dr Giotikas,how much would you recommend saving overall?

 I've never lived in a foreign country. I'm a uni student so I spend about £5000 every three or so months including accommodation.  Uni accommodation is intentionally overpriced but it seems a good estimate though I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 09, 2019, 09:27:46 AM
ahh .. I believe it! At the center I think it costs 200 euros a night ... that's how you spent all that money .. if you had gone to an airbnb near you would have spent 12,000 euros less as a minimum

Indeed! :-D
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 09, 2019, 09:29:08 AM
Since I'm looking into going with Dr Giotikas,how much would you recommend saving overall?

 I've never lived in a foreign country. I'm a uni student so I spend about £5000 every three or so months including accommodation.  Uni accommodation is intentionally overpriced but it seems a good estimate though I'm not sure.

Dear,

I listed the money I saved in this disscussion board. But this is very personally and depends on how you live.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Heightmare on August 09, 2019, 09:33:12 AM
Excellent I'll check it out 🙂
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Infinity on August 09, 2019, 02:19:30 PM
Dear Jolien,

Many thanks for writing this diary, Its very detailed and informative.

I am considering Dr. Giotikas and was wondering if he would consider doing femurs LON/LATN. WHat would be the best way to contact him, through his office?

x.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: MyBestSelf on August 10, 2019, 09:27:27 AM
Dear Jolien,

Many thanks for your amazing diary. I have been a longtime lurker on this forum, but now am deciding to pull the trigger on this surgery. I have scheduled bilateral femur lengthening (with Stryde nail) with Dr. Giotikas for September 14 (about a month away).

May I PM you with a couple questions? I realize I will do a different procedure from you, but I am just trying to decide if I should stay at the Theseus Rehabilitation Center or not for part of the distraction period (like you did). Dr. Giotikas told me it really isn't necessary to do so (he recommends Airbnb and getting transferred to  the 4-5 times per week PT sessions at Theseus).

But either way, I am weighing out all my options.  I also wanted to get your recommendations about other physical therapists in Athens, as you have alluded to on this forum.

I had my in-person consultation with Dr. Giotikas yesterday and it went very well. He seems like a competent and professional doctor who was able to answer my questions effectively. I also visited the Theseus Rehabilitation Center briefly and checked out the facilities (but did not have a chance to meet with any other CLL patients). After I do my surgery, I will post a diary for the benefit of this forum.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 10, 2019, 09:44:12 AM
Dear Jolien,

Many thanks for writing this diary, Its very detailed and informative.

I am considering Dr. Giotikas and was wondering if he would consider doing femurs LON/LATN. WHat would be the best way to contact him, through his office?

x.

Dear,

I just applied for his free online consultation :-D. He also answers his mails via info@bjrathens.com pretty quick.

(I don't know if frames for the femur are done. I think it is too uncomfortable)

Kind regards
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 10, 2019, 09:53:22 AM
Dear Jolien,

Many thanks for your amazing diary. I have been a longtime lurker on this forum, but now am deciding to pull the trigger on this surgery. I have scheduled bilateral femur lengthening (with Stryde nail) with Dr. Giotikas for September 14 (about a month away).

May I PM you with a couple questions? I realize I will do a different procedure from you, but I am just trying to decide if I should stay at the Theseus Rehabilitation Center or not for part of the distraction period (like you did). Dr. Giotikas told me it really isn't necessary to do so (he recommends Airbnb and getting transferred to  the 4-5 times per week PT sessions at Theseus).

But either way, I am weighing out all my options.  I also wanted to get your recommendations about other physical therapists in Athens, as you have alluded to on this forum.

I had my in-person consultation with Dr. Giotikas yesterday and it went very well. He seems like a competent and professional doctor who was able to answer my questions effectively. I also visited the Theseus Rehabilitation Center briefly and checked out the facilities (but did not have a chance to meet with any other CLL patients). After I do my surgery, I will post a diary for the benefit of this forum.

Thank you.

Dear,

the problem for me was that I lose all my motivation to do exercises, walk, etc. when I am locked in my apartment all alone. I also saw this with the other patients staying alone. You are just miserable alone and you don't do enough. When I was there we only got physiotherapy 3 times a week. Which was not enough at all. I am very happy I could stay at the center. It also keeps you more productive in the things you want to accomplish besides lengthening (like studying).

So if you have money enough, you have nobody to join and you want to be as productive and as soon recovered as possible please go to a place with other people (Theseus is like a hospital with doctors and nurses 24/7). It is also very important for your mental health. If you have nothing else planned than watching television and you don't care too much about a rapid recovery you can stay at an airbnb. Theseus just makes life easy ;-)

I think you need to ask Giotikas about reliable physiotherapists because he didnt liked it that "my" physiotherapists treated his patients outside Theseus. But one of "my" physiotherapists works in Theseus, she is German, you will find her soon enough ;-)

Kind regards

 
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Heightmare on August 10, 2019, 11:39:49 AM
Did you keep in contact with any of the patients you stayed with?

If so do you think you can tell them to write about their experiences on this forum. I'm specifically looking for anyone that underwent stryde with Dr Giotikas.
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: MyBestSelf on August 10, 2019, 01:47:46 PM
Dear Jolien,

Thank you for the kind and quick answer. I will strongly consider staying at Theseus. I think you are correct that it is just easier to stay motivated. The cost is quite high, but it includes meals and nursing care, so perhaps it isn't that bad.

1). This is a stupid question, but I assume they have wifi internet at Theseus for patients to study/ do work, correct?

2). During my consultation, I spoke at length to Dr. Giotikas about physical therapy.  Giotikas told me he personally trained the physical therapists who work at Theseus and he explained to them what his lengthening patients need. He also has a "team leader" at Theseus (the name escapes me) whom Giotikas keeps in contact with to advise what the patients need, after he examines your X-rays every 2 weeks.  This was a selling point for me because it seems like the PT at Theseus is tailor made and well planned. However, at one point earlier in your forum post (on 18 May), I noticed you wrote, "Personally I was not very happy with the physiotherapy I got at Theseus. I now have private physiotherapy at home."

That being said, do you believe the quality of the physical therapy you received at Theseus was poor? I know how vital PT is for the recovery process, so just wanted to clarify this.

Thank you again for your time. 
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 10, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
Did you keep in contact with any of the patients you stayed with?

If so do you think you can tell them to write about their experiences on this forum. I'm specifically looking for anyone that underwent stryde with Dr Giotikas.

Dear,

I do, but I dont think they want to put their story on the discussionboard. Otherwise they would already have done it.
Maybe they will do it when they are recovered.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: Jolien on August 10, 2019, 02:34:32 PM
Dear Jolien,

Thank you for the kind and quick answer. I will strongly consider staying at Theseus. I think you are correct that it is just easier to stay motivated. The cost is quite high, but it includes meals and nursing care, so perhaps it isn't that bad.

1). This is a stupid question, but I assume they have wifi internet at Theseus for patients to study/ do work, correct?

2). During my consultation, I spoke at length to Dr. Giotikas about physical therapy.  Giotikas told me he personally trained the physical therapists who work at Theseus and he explained to them what his lengthening patients need. He also has a "team leader" at Theseus (the name escapes me) whom Giotikas keeps in contact with to advise what the patients need, after he examines your X-rays every 2 weeks.  This was a selling point for me because it seems like the PT at Theseus is tailor made and well planned. However, at one point earlier in your forum post (on 18 May), I noticed you wrote, "Personally I was not very happy with the physiotherapy I got at Theseus. I now have private physiotherapy at home."

That being said, do you believe the quality of the physical therapy you received at Theseus was poor? I know how vital PT is for the recovery process, so just wanted to clarify this.

Thank you again for your time.

Dear,

1.) They do have wifi!

2.) That is correct. They opened their doors 2 years ago, so in my perspective, they lack experience. And for this price, there are other more experienced physiotherapy centers. (you have to do the research I discovered this too late). But physiotherapy is not that complex. I just did the best I could with the physiotherapists and I did as many useful exercises I could by myself.  You will naturally feel the needs of your body. They also gave me a lot of exercises that I could do on my own.

In my view, your recovery depends on your own dedication to do as much as you can and by not quitting when you feel pain. A physiotherapist who pushes you to the limit (which my german physiotherapist did) helps you in pushing through. Also dont tell them to stop when it gets hard or you are exhausted. That way they can build the exercises up.

They are not too bad, it all depends on your attitude, mindset and most of all what you do in between the sessions (netflix vs. exercises, walking, stretching). Not that I was constantly busy (I slept maybe 16 hours a day) But when I was awake I always tried to do useful things.

Kind regards

Jolien
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: MyBestSelf on August 10, 2019, 03:13:40 PM
Thank you so much Jolien. I agree with all your points.

I sent you a quick PM and would really appreciate a response when you get some time.

Thank you again and have a great rest of your weekend!
Title: Re: Dr Giotikas, LON 5cm Tibia
Post by: ujin0101 on September 08, 2019, 09:52:32 PM
Hi Jolien, I sent you a quick PM and would really appreciate a response when you get some time.  :)