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 on: Today at 12:20:07 AM 
Started by five10not6feet - Last post by ibuse
If you're in the U.S., there is a program hosted by Eli Lilly to get a massive discount (the company that produces the drug). If you are on a public form of healthcare such as Obamacare/Medicare, you get no discount and rely on your program to fork over the cost. In other words, they expect the government to eat the full cost. (And we wonder why healthcare is failing--the U.S. government eats up big pharma's research costs, while the rest of the world benefits.)

Now if you're on any private insurance that is typically given by a company, you get a two year supply at $4 per 90 days! After two years, it looks like the program expires and you eat up the original cost (insurance would pay it after you meet your deductible anyways). But like I said, in a year the patent expires, so that should help out considerably. Because it is still the best drug out on the market. It blows any bisphosphonate out of the water once you get over the cancer scare.

With all that being said, if you were to go to any reasonable doctor in the U.S. and ask for a bone DEXA scan when you hit your consolidation phase, they would probably cave in and give you the drug to speed things up. I just can't think of a reason why they wouldn't do it. But if the bone DEXA scan doesn't yield a very concerning result (you're not in the osteoporosis range in the consolidation phase), they may chicken out and give you some drug like Prolia (zzzzzz).

 on: May 22, 2017, 11:48:03 PM 
Started by five10not6feet - Last post by 0184946
That makes sense. The big pharma comp's probably do it in a more state of the art lab so they charge more to not lose profit from all the investment they did. Even if the generic were less powerful id still take it along with some D3 should really speed up the process.
Ehh those side effects aren't any biggie. I get heavy bone pain and I haven't even done LL yet so I'm used to that only thing that really seems unbearable is nerve pain. Brain fog doesn't seem too severe if u just make sure u take it right before bed or any time period that u wont need any good judgement.
"It is effective in growing bone." Where was this when i was 9 years old?  >:(
"But an Italian soccer player, Francesco Totti, was given teriparatide after a tibia/fibula fracture, and he unexpectedly recovered in time for the 2006 World Cup." Goddamn this is like something made out of heaven. 579-967 USD a pop though.. that generic brand needs to come out soon. Thanks for sharing

 on: May 22, 2017, 11:40:14 PM 
Started by SStriker - Last post by Body Builder
LL affects negatively soft tissues. But the difference is not significant, if we talk of course about sensible lengthening. For a limit of about 5cm in tibias and 6cm in femurs the change in muscle function will be minor for most people.

However the change in biomechanics is more important and obvious imo.
Even if the muscles work good, the body can't fully adapt to some longer legs and that causes problems in running, stability and maybe even ligaments after some years.

So even if the muscles won't have any obvious difference, the biomechanical change will cause obvious differences in functions.

 on: May 22, 2017, 11:02:47 PM 
Started by SStriker - Last post by KiloKAHN
You gotta understand that it takes a very long time for muscle fibers to stretch the lengthened amount and adapt to the new consolidated bone's length and duplicate its length. Thats something that can't be done at 2 years. If a individual is lengthening lets just say 6 cm by 5-7 months on average they should be able to walk unaided safely and by 8-9 months the individual's limbs should be 80-90% consolidated assuming no complications arisen. Point is, by 8-9 months they're just getting started finishing consolidation so why would you base a answer on 2 year old test subjects? Do a follow up study in 4 years and let me know if they still feel weak. You are a mod educate people more thoroughly and analyze all factors that contribute to it. Or else don't spread ignorance.

Also, people that have long legs and a short torso suck at squats and deadlifts its not about LL its just simple physics  just don't expect to be Hercules after a traumatic procedure like this but if you dedicate yourself and are patient then I think you will be in good shape.

Link a study showing that muscle strength after leg lengthening is in no way adversely affected permanently. Right now we have this, plus more than one study showing that lengthening limbs damages the muscle fibers to a degree, regardless of distraction rate. What makes you think that you can stretch muscles to adapt to a longer bone that it wasn't built for and then have it end up not losing any strength potential as opposed to if it were not lengthened at all? It's wishful thinking.

 on: May 22, 2017, 10:20:24 PM 
Started by five10not6feet - Last post by ibuse
The generic should be the same stuff, it'll probably just go by the name of Teriparatide, which is the drug's non-branded name. Normally big pharma companies up the cost into the thousands of dollars if it is an innovative drug and they hold the patent on it. It makes up for the research costs and lines their pockets until other companies can use the patent. So the generic should be the same stuff, just with different companies making it to drive down the costs.

Here is a wiki article on it. It did give me the side effects of bone pain and heavy brain fog for the first few weeks, but it cleared up afterwards. I still get a little brain fog from it, but not too much. If there are side effects, they generally clear up after several hours. I think it only stays in your system for a very short period of time, so that may be why. You'll have to get blood-work done before you're allowed to take it. From what I understand, your parathyroid glands have to work in order to make use of this drug (which should be almost everyone on this forum).

 on: May 22, 2017, 10:00:23 PM 
Started by SStriker - Last post by Body Builder
Thanks for your input, scientific evidence is always good.

I guess I would not care too much then. I don't care too much for building strength, nor for speed or flexibility. Mass and decent functionality (like being able to ride bicycles at normal speed when going to work or being able to walk stairs up and down normally if needed) is my main concern.

Thanks for your input as well. It's nice to hear from someone who actually engages in bodybuilding about it.

I guess I should still be able to work out nicely then. My main concern is about not being able to do it. I don't care about sports too much. I ride bicycles sometimes when I need to go somewhere though, do you think it would affect it? I guess it's not going to be much of a problem if I get a motorcycle or a car eventually, or use public transportation, but I'd still like to have an idea.

Also, do you think 5-6 cm in each limb is a good idea? I've seen people do more than that but I don't feel too safe about it, it seems to have more room for complications, especially since I'm way shorter than average. I wouldn't mind getting a bit out of proportion for a extra inch or two but I would probably mind if I lost too much functionality.
No, I don't think you are going to have trouble with biking.
And the best idea, if you really want to do both segments, is 6-7 cm in femurs and 5-6 in tibias. Most people can handle that without much problems.

 on: May 22, 2017, 09:56:56 PM 
Started by p89 - Last post by Body Builder
Personally, the max pain I feel after the first 3 days of surgery and for the whole lengthening process which took me 3 months was 3/10 and that only for 6-7 days totally
Almost all of the days I was pain free.

But that doesn't mean that I didn't have ballerina foor and a small misalignment in my right tibia.
So even I was pain free I had some serious complications while many people that felt much more pain had less complications.
So pain is not a real sign most of the times.

 on: May 22, 2017, 09:56:49 PM 
Started by KiloKAHN - Last post by doomsday
Genetic short stature is different of course from short or less than average.

I am sure the threshold would be 1.60 for a man or maybe even less.
An 1.65 man is completely normal, just short.
An 1.55 man on the other hand (except maybe asians) may included in what we call short stature syndrome.

The threshold is always below 3rd percentile for particular population. Then youre talking about short stature which in most cases is a idiopathic short stature. 

 on: May 22, 2017, 09:07:25 PM 
Started by p89 - Last post by The Kaiser
i am not complaining about pain. PAIN MAYBE TOLERABLE. but what it means to the body is scary. is there a clear line between bad pain and normal pain? because many patients seem to experience all sorts of pain. muscle stiffness, numbness, tingling pain, shooting pain etc many people have said pain was 10/10 for them.

if people can get 10/10 pain how then are we to know if a pain is deadly and disabling or normal?

i can deal with lots of normal pain but if it means permanent damage to body then no.

Its possible to be a permanent damage and permanent knee pain the rest of your life, this surgery is unexpected and you have to know the consequences

 on: May 22, 2017, 08:00:49 PM 
Started by KiloKAHN - Last post by p89
hi kilokhan. i read your diary and found that you stayed in maharana hotel. did they ask u for any proof of visit or anything like thiat for long stay? if i take a hotel i do not want to tell the hotel people i want to do surgery to increase my height  ::)  ;D

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