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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2015, 07:28:50 PM »

Looking forward to weighing in as I recover.

Having done 8 CM, I can say for starters that my fully healed legs leg press and movements feel great.

My only issue is some pain in lower left leg and rather tight hip flexors with duckass, both of which should likely be resolved soon.

I'm really happy for you, man! To be almost fully recovered after only about four months and 8 cm is fantastic!
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2015, 07:35:31 PM »

There is nothing to say that Medium Drink's knee pain actually comes from the surgery. There could be other factors at work.

Sweden also entire with Dr. Sarin, whom is the worst excuse for an ll doctor that these forums have ever seen.

OBG says his running speed is back up to "90% compared to before", and that was before his rods were removed about three months ago. It's also important to remember that he wasn't a young man in the prime of his life; he was 45, so recovering from surgeries is naturally going to be a little harder.

The research amongst young peoples whom get cosmetic ll, 20s to 30s, seems to show no long-term side effects/impairments.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2015, 10:37:30 PM »

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The research amongst young peoples whom get cosmetic ll, 20s to 30s, seems to show no long-term side effects/impairments.

I'm very interested in this research. Care to share the link?

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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2015, 12:54:37 AM »

I've only seen these two studies so far. But, the results look very promising:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25183215

http://www.bjj.boneandjoint.org.uk/content/87-B/10/1402
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2015, 02:56:32 PM »

Very interesting indeed. Almost all the patients had a positive outcome according to those studies. Not it's all about finding the right doctor.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2015, 03:09:25 PM »

its not all about the right dr... but, if you have the money, go to rozbruch

I'll post my experience soon about him
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2015, 11:58:13 AM »

I am 5'5 and i am going to do probably 5 on my tibia in the next year but will I do 6 or 7 ?  Bitch I'm 5'5 who the fk wants to be 5'7?  I'm 22 and I am going to be done with my master's degree in November I can't be happy at 5'5.  Hate people the way they treat me and  .  I really just don't care about it either 5'9 is my ultimate goal but being closet to 5'10 is ideal.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2015, 12:39:37 PM »

I am 5'5 and i am going to do probably 5 on my tibia in the next year but will I do 6 or 7 ?  Bitch I'm 5'5 who the fk wants to be 5'7?  I'm 22 and I am going to be done with my master's degree in November I can't be happy at 5'5.  Hate people the way they treat me and crap.  I really just don't care about it either 5'9 is my ultimate goal but being closet to 5'10 is ideal.

5.5CM on your tibiae and 7CM on your femurs and you'll be set for life.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2015, 12:54:55 PM »

you should do 7 cm, 172 is a decent height and you avoid the trauma of a second procedure
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2015, 08:33:35 PM »

you guys, especially the ones that never did lengthening are simply wrong... there are no definites first of all


i lengthened over 7 cm... i lewngthened more than .66 mm a day often...


guess what... I'm in no pain, and on no painkillers... ill see dr agaon on wed, but i'm pretty sure im ok

I can already walk. etc etc

i might need to realign my left leg, which is a bit annoying, but other than that... and a very tiny amount of numbness that seems to be going away(already cant even notice it unless i consciuously think of it)... and  it has zero impact on function


Will I be 100%... well, Considering the fact that I, as well as most others, never pushed our bodies to ithe maximum anyway, I doubt it even matters

For most people, while technically they will  not be 100%, for all intents and purposes, they will not even notice theres a difference


the people that have done ll, ask them if they regret it, almost all will confidently say no...


I know I don't regret it... even with the potential of fixing one last issue... for me to regret it, I'd have to suffer loss of a limb or  motor function


Being short sucks

Needing a second surgery is not an example of someone who has no problems from LL surgery and in a more current post, you are now in recovery from surgery again. So you're not exactly a fully recovered patient without complications and certainly can't speak about longterm problems. http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=634.450

Cautionary Threads like these are important because there are many people who aren't as embittered by their heights as you are/were…. even at your previous height. They are those who may change their minds about this surgery and decide it isn't worth the risks or that your current post-op recoveries are not what they consider an acceptable trade-off for them.

You hate being short so much that you're probably more optimistic about any problems you're experiencing that others who are not as unhappy would be.

Medium Drink of Water has posted that he is satisfied with his decision to have LL surgery even though it had consequences. He reveals all the problems he's had and still has because he understands that what is a good result for him might be considered a poor result by someone else. He doesn't seem to have any problems with people being forewarned about complications or even emphasizing them.

There's no need to be annoyed if someone else decides that this type of surgery isn't worth it and doesn't go thru with it.
Someone who hates his stature as much as you did will do this surgery regardless of how many warning threads are posted so it isn't meant for you. Some people would rather be dead than to keep living as a short person but others just want to get taller only if it makes common sense for them.

Believe me, there are times when I absolutely hate my height but I want to know as much about the consequences as possible.
Your own experience with LL and needing a second surgery may not be a problem for you, but it would be for me. I will need to read about the average patient experiencing more successful surgeries than your own to consider this for myself.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2015, 08:47:12 PM »

Needing a second surgery is not an example of someone who has no problems from LL surgery and in a more current post, you are now in recovery from surgery again. So you're not exactly a fully recovered patient without complications and certainly can't speak about longterm problems. http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=634.450

Cautionary Threads like these are important because there are many people who aren't as embittered by their heights as you are/were…. even at your previous height. They are the ones who may change their minds about this surgery and decide it isn't worth the risks or that your recovery that you are happy with  is not what they consider an acceptable trade-off for them.

You hate being short so much that you're probably more optimistic about any problems you're experiencing that others who are not as unhappy would be.

Medium Drink of Water has posted that he is satisfied with his decision to have LL surgery even though it had consequences. He reveals all the problems he's had and still has because he understands that what is a good result for him might be considered a poor result by someone else.

There's no need to be annoyed if someone else decides that this type of surgery isn't worth it and doesn't go thru with it.
Someone who hates his stature as much as you did will do this surgery regardless of how many warning threads are posted so it isn't meant for you. Some people would rather be dead than to keep living as a short person but others just want to get taller only if it makes common sense for them.

Believe me, there are times when I absolutely hate my height but I want to know as much about the consequences as possible.
Your own experience with LL and needing a second surgery may not be a problem for you, but it would be for me. I will need to read about the average patient experiencing more successful surgeries than your own to consider this for myself.

Very wise words
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2015, 09:27:06 PM »

I am 5'5 and i am going to do probably 5 on my tibia in the next year but will I do 6 or 7 ?  Bitch I'm 5'5 who the fk wants to be 5'7?  I'm 22 and I am going to be done with my master's degree in November I can't be happy at 5'5.  Hate people the way they treat me and crap.  I really just don't care about it either 5'9 is my ultimate goal but being closet to 5'10 is ideal.

I'd want to be 5'7 bro rather than my current 5'3. Don't let your goals to get your head man 5'7 is average short but you won't get laughed at unless your personality sucks. Personally I've been humbled a lot on this forum by dudes who are two to five inches shorter than myself and will never reach 5'7
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2015, 09:27:18 PM »

what is this post???

are u joking???

let me make it very short

1- i never stated i had no issues... those are yours words which you need to make up to have a basis for this long post

2-i have no idea why this post was even made... i constantly state no one will ever be 100%

i can't stand these long  posts that can be written in a sentence or two


very simply, heres  how it goes


almost no one will recover 100%

almost everyone   who has ll will function normally again... unless they do something like 10-12 cm... and almost everyone that gets this surgery does not regret it... even the biggest complainers like sweden  don't regret it

read more posts ,  then post

btw, you obviously hate your height... that is why you're spending time on this forum... i did hate my height, but I don't now
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2015, 09:33:51 PM »

joel,

if youre 5'5, 5'8 or so is a realistic goal

5-10 is too much, 5-9 even is a bit much

big difference between 5'5 and 5'8
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2015, 06:19:53 AM »

I am 5'5 and i am going to do probably 5 on my tibia in the next year but will I do 6 or 7 ?  Bitch I'm 5'5 who the fk wants to be 5'7?  I'm 22 and I am going to be done with my master's degree in November I can't be happy at 5'5.  Hate people the way they treat me and crap.  I really just don't care about it either 5'9 is my ultimate goal but being closet to 5'10 is ideal.
You can be happy at 5'5. I know this because I'm 5'5 and in my late 20s. Let me explain something to you since you're 22. People your age are superficial and haven't prioritized other characteristics of people over looks yet. That's why you feel the pain of being short more. It gets better when you're older. Much better especially if you make a lot of money and have a funny/fun personality. Trust me on this. You can spent the next few years always looking at your height and being sad. Or you can work on the other aspects of your life like I did and be an amazing person despite your height.

I'm only getting LL because I don't like the way I look, and not because of the way people treat me. I'm actually well respected and have a lot of followers on social media. When the rest of you is great, people won't care about your height. Look at that short guy at Game of Thrones. Well respected. Even Tom Cruise at 5'7 is respected. People make fun of him for his height and religion, but you got to admit that he makes interesting movies. And if they still don't respect you solely because of your height, then they're superficial. And you probably don't want to be friends with those people anyway. Don't let other people's opinions about you make you do stupid things like overlengthening. It's called peer pressure. And many dumb people injured themselves and/or died because of it. And for what? To impress people who you don't even care about? Believe me when I say this: You will stop caring about these people after a while. At your age, you're probably struggling for attention because you haven't yet established yourself as somebody yet. And you're frustrated that nobody is paying you attention. Guess what? Everyone at your age is probably suffering from this (minus the super attractive people). Don't let being short be the excuse as to why you can't be happy. You're still taller than 50% of the girls. That's not a bad dating pool size.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2015, 05:33:16 AM »

I'm a little confused, you've told a few people on here that doing 4/5 inches is way too much with a starting height of 5'5 but you're saying you want to get to 5'9/5'10?
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2015, 05:35:35 AM »

I am 5'5 and i am going to do probably 5 on my tibia in the next year but will I do 6 or 7 ?  Bitch I'm 5'5 who the fk wants to be 5'7?  I'm 22 and I am going to be done with my master's degree in November I can't be happy at 5'5.  Hate people the way they treat me and crap.  I really just don't care about it either 5'9 is my ultimate goal but being closet to 5'10 is ideal.

I'm a little confused, you've told a few people on here that doing 4/5 inches is way too much with a starting height of 5'5 because of the smaller bodies but you're saying you want to get to 5'9/5'10?
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2015, 07:42:42 PM »

joel,

if youre 5'5, 5'8 or so is a realistic goal

5-10 is too much, 5-9 even is a bit much

big difference between 5'5 and 5'8

Four inches shouldn't hurt anyone divide evenly between segments. That's pretty moderate and reasonable
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2015, 07:45:56 PM »

 thats over 10 cm and 2 surgeries

its a bit much... people talk about 2 surgeries as if its pretty easy,but lets look at statistics

how many diaries are on this site, and how many of these diaries are of people having 2 surgeries

its very low, close to 0 %...  are there any successful double surgeries on this forum?
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2015, 04:27:17 PM »

No succesful double surgeries in the forum. In my opinion, even some people who has done one surgery is hiding information from us. They say everything is OK but it isn't.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2015, 09:24:38 PM »

Define "successful"
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2015, 04:12:12 AM »

Not a cripple or an amputee, suffering from major depressive disorder with suicidal ideation.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2015, 07:18:32 AM »

No succesful double surgeries in the forum. In my opinion, even some people who has done one surgery is hiding information from us. They say everything is OK but it isn't.

Too many says they're OK but in fact they suffer every day.

I've been told I'm the only honest one about what the procedure is really like. Not sure about it but having met so many patients all over I can say I healed up pretty well.

It may sound as I'm complaining a lot about aches or different problems but I'm just telling it the way it is. Nobody gets unaffected from this and I bet I can outrun most of the old patients in here.
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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2015, 12:12:25 PM »

Too many says they're OK but in fact they suffer every day.

I've been told I'm the only honest one about what the procedure is really like. Not sure about it but having met so many patients all over I can say I healed up pretty well.

It may sound as I'm complaining a lot about aches or different problems but I'm just telling it the way it is. Nobody gets unaffected from this and I bet I can outrun most of the old patients in here.

Now I'm certainly impressed with what you've done Sweden and I am the first to applaud your commitment to truth rather than sugar coating. That said, after seeing your videos I feel like there are a couple of femur patients that move and run in a smoother more natural way, can't tell about their speed though.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2015, 01:36:13 PM »

If I could undo LL, I would. Being mid-20s and not able to participate in sports for the rest of my life, and moving like an arthritic 70+ through most movements is not worth being taller.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2015, 08:20:56 PM »

If I could undo LL, I would. Being mid-20s and not able to participate in sports for the rest of my life, and moving like an arthritic 70+ through most movements is not worth being taller.

This is just tragic, but I understand you. :(

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I move pretty stiff bc of my broken foot right now. Before that I ran almost every day and it just went better and better.
The foot set me back a lot and I gained some weight too.
It's going away soon and I'll be cycling more now instead, but I will always fight until I can run descent again.
I ran 10km in March this year in ~56minutes. I'm pretty happy with that.

There must be many who can move better than me I'm sure of it. But the general patient is not in to serious sports.
I will try to get back in competitive class again. Just have to change my style a bit.

Most likely there will be aches for the rest of our lives - that goes for everyone who lengthened their legs.
Especially when we get older.
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Re: Permanent effects of LL
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2015, 02:30:29 AM »

56 minutes for 10km isn't bad at all for a guy in his 30's. Most men in their 30's would be much slower than that. So congrats! What was your 10km time before LL?
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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2015, 07:16:05 AM »

56 minutes for 10km isn't bad at all for a guy in his 30's. Most men in their 30's would be much slower than that. So congrats! What was your 10km time before LL?

Between 38-45min depending on daily shape.
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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2015, 08:55:55 AM »

polycrates,


id regret ll too, if i were you. you were basically 5'10... what i went through would not  have been worth it if instead of 5'6, i was 5'9

but you say you cant participate in sports, why? do you mean competitive sports, or you cant do anything?
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« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2015, 01:39:02 PM »

If I could undo LL, I would. Being mid-20s and not able to participate in sports for the rest of my life, and moving like an arthritic 70+ through most movements is not worth being taller.

So you still not healed from your toe and foot issue? So bad.
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« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2015, 03:07:42 PM »

I think you'd be be better off if you got your nails out. They do force your bones to be stiffer and act more rigidly than they would otherwise. The nails can also cause fully healed bones to ache as bones are naturally supposed to flex and bend during walking and sports.
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