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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2015, 09:00:36 PM »

bluebarbie

Almost I am going to make it next month, pure external.

I have a quetsion to you, almost you need around 2 months and two weeks to lenth 7 cm. and you will wait more 2 months before internal nail, why you dont wait for more 2 months or 3 with the external fixator instead of having an internal nail for all your life, or at least for some years.
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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2015, 04:11:28 AM »

Bluebarbie, I find the misalignment of your femurs as well as the explanation your doctors have given you for how they plan to correct it (during nailing) somewhat disturbing.

The exact, precise, proper alignment of your femurs is very important to your hip, knee, and ankle health long term. Currently your alignment on the monorail is way out of wack. Dr. Singh has told you he will "fix this during nailing". But I cannot see how this is a good approach.

Your bones will start consolidating soon. Once they do, your ability to fix the deviation will decline. Furthermore, "roughly approximating" the realignment by manually shifting the knee during nailing is not likely to be precise enough to give you the correct alignment you need.

It's possible I am wrong on this, but we have seen many, many people get butchered by misalignments like this and never become able to walk properly again. If I was you, I would be safer than sorry.

The safest and most accurate way to correct your misalignment before consolidation occurs is probably going to be to have the monorail immediately removed and a external Ilizarov with Hexapod or Taylor frame attached. These devices will allow computer planned accurate realignment of the femurs within only a few days of wearing. Once the realignment is done, you can still get nailed into position, and continue with recovery as planned. The point is, with the Hexapod realignment, at least then you will be getting nailed into a correct alignment.

There are many doctors who offer this procedure. You could talk to KiloKahn about the doctor he's being treated by in India who is not too far away for you (Dr. Parihar). He seems affordable, has done a very good job with Kilo so far, and treats deformities via Hexapod regularly. Perhaps you can e-mail the doctor your current xrays and see what he thinks.

I would very strongly caution you about taking a "wait and see" approach. If that consolidation occurs, and you are not in a good alignment when it happens, you may never walk normally again or you will require multiple much more difficult surgeries to be able to. I think it would be much more affordable and beneficial for you to pay for the Hexapod realignment now than try to fix this once your legs are consolidating in a potentially crooked position.

For illustration purposes, this is what I'm trying to help you avoid:



It would probably not cost more than 10-20K to travel to India, get the Hexapod realignment, and go back home. For the money your parents have already paid, this would I'm sure be worth it to them to avoid having their daughter potentially crippled like the guy above was. 4 years of surgery later and he still can't function properly.

The only thing I'm not sure of is if it is safe to remove the monorails and attach Ilizarov while you have such extensive callus between the bone fragments. You wouldn't want to disrupt that callus and then end up with nonunion either. I would send the xrays to that Indian surgeon as well as perhaps the experts out there like Dr. Paley who can advise you further on the safest next course of action.
Hi, maximize
Thanks alot for all ur concern for me. About that misalignment thing, Yes! As soon as I saw my very first xrays, left femur, 7days post op, I couldn't help myself from crying and begging my doctor to realign it again for me. But he insisted and promised that it will go straight again and I won't have a problem after the internal nailing is done. There were many other doctors, nurses and my family members there when that battle happened. So finally I just gave in and restrained myself from ever thinking about that again and become depressed over it. But during the distraction phase, I find the right femur slowly getting misaligned, too.
As for me now I don't really think about it or worry that much anymore coz like u mentioned it can be fixed somehow. What is really disturbing me currently is that, with LATN method, it's likely that we lose our cms during that internal nailing surgery. And for me with that misalignment thing, I don't even know what to say....
I had emailed other doctors like u suggested me, Dr Rozbruch and dr Aporn from Thailand. Well I thought about Dr Paley and Dr Guichet too, but they mainly practice in internals so I didn't contact them.
Yes for me, I would do anything or travel anywhere as long as I gain my targeted length at least 7 cms. External femurs is like a living hell and there is no way I will let those hard earned cms go away.

Alex,
I wanted to do with internals but as my bones are too small and risky to go with that method I had no choice but go with this hybrid method.
Firstly my knee bending is very bad and the longer I stay in frames, the more likely it is to get stiff knees for a longer period of time and recovery. And I worry very much about subsidence with pure externals. Even with this nailing thing, I am really stressed about losing my gained length during that surgery. But with this u can find out immediately and once it's done, the nail locked,it's over and no more compressing over time. Plus I have this misalignment thing that need to be fixed.
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2015, 04:15:24 AM »

As for me now I don't really think about it or worry that much anymore coz like u mentioned it can be fixed somehow. What is really disturbing me currently is that, with LATN method,it's like that we lose our cms during that internal nailing surgery. And for me with that misalignment thing, I don't even know what to say....

I had emailed other doctors like u suggested me, Dr Rozbruch and dr Aporn from Thailand. Well I thought about Dr Paley and Dr Guichet too, but the mainly practice in internals so I didn't contact them.
Yes for me, I would do anything or travel anywhere as long as I gain my targeted length at least 7 cms.

It can be fixed, but again, the only correct way to fix it is almost certainly with a full Ilizarov and Hexapod setup. Dr. Parihar is an expert with this. You will not be able to fix this once you consolidate. Do NOT let Dr. Singh nail your legs.

You should start getting in contact with Dr. Parihar now. His contact info is in the doctor's directory forum here:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=87.0

You are being way too worried about the possibility of losing a centimeter when it "compresses". You need to worry more about whether you'll ever walk straight again.

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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2015, 04:30:05 AM »

It can be fixed, but again, the only correct way to fix it is almost certainly with a full Ilizarov and Hexapod setup. Dr. Parihar is an expert with this. You will not be able to fix this once you consolidate. Do NOT let Dr. Singh nail your legs.

You should start getting in contact with Dr. Parihar now. His contact info is in the doctor's directory forum here:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=87.0

You are being way too worried about the possibility of losing a centimeter when it "compresses". You need to worry more about whether you'll ever walk straight again.
Thanks, maxi. I ll see what I can do about it. I really appreciate ur help and concern.  :-*
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2015, 03:50:21 AM »


Picture of me standing, so that u can see my new proportions.
6 more days to reach my 8cms. Feeling really great lately. Yesterday I walked alot on my crutches without needing assistance anymore, went out, had late dinner date with my friends, yet pain and discomfort were just zero. The only thing I find it hard is the muscle tightness and stiffness during sleep. I still can't believe it. I thought the last days of reaching my goal would be like hell but everything is going really fine and smooth, I aldy feel like I m on my recovery journey.   ::)
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Surgery dates: first (10.01.2015), second (16.07.2015)
Lenghtening finished (01.05.2015)
Starting height 145cms, Goal 7 to 7.5cms
Achieved 7.9cms. Lenghtened 8.4cms so lost only 5mms on second internal nailing surgery.

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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2015, 04:26:30 AM »

mmm


barbie, you really seem like you're in denial

i hope you realize you will not be walking normally for over a year... you had the surgery  3 months ago? and yoyee doing 8 cm... with monorail


and you need to correct both legs...  this is gonna take a while


ii know the tibia can be realigned with a nail after consolidation... not sure about the femur/... i can tell you for sure though that you will n ot walk  normally again if you dont correct the issues... i have only 1 malaligned leg, not 2, and i know i cant walk normally until may or june when i have the correction done

good luck, and expect  the next year and a half to recover
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2015, 04:51:01 AM »

Remain positive bluebarbie, and at the same time be ready for any possible setbacks you might have not expected. All that matters is that in the end you will be fine once again and will enjoy your new stature/height.
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2015, 05:07:53 AM »


Picture of me standing, so that u can see my new proportions.
6 more days to reach my 8cms. Feeling really great lately. Yesterday I walked alot on my crutches without needing assistance anymore, went out, had late dinner date with my friends, yet pain and discomfort were just zero. The only thing I find it hard is the muscle tightness and stiffness during sleep. I still can't believe it. I thought the last days of reaching my goal would be like hell but everything is going really fine and smooth, I aldy feel like I m on my recovery journey.   ::)

Awesome, blue.  It was the same way for me at the end - doing better than at the beginning.  You're even doing better than I was if you can already balance with crutches.

And I'm sure your doctor knows how to correct your alignment and will do a good job of it on the operating table before he locks the nails.
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2015, 01:02:54 PM »

you look great.
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« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2015, 03:24:02 AM »

Thanks my dear friends.
I know I have to be ready for the unexpected, it's still a long way ahead until full recovery. But I m just enjoying the moment where the most difficult and painful part is ending. 
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2015, 05:36:22 AM »

what is this mis alignment and how do i avoid it fully.. By internal or not doing LATN femurs ?
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2015, 05:42:59 AM »

How is your duck ass now?
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2015, 12:49:47 AM »

Picture of me standing, so that u can see my new proportions.
6 more days to reach my 8cms. Feeling really great lately. Yesterday I walked alot on my crutches without needing assistance anymore, went out, had late dinner date with my friends, yet pain and discomfort were just zero. The only thing I find it hard is the muscle tightness and stiffness during sleep. I still can't believe it. I thought the last days of reaching my goal would be like hell but everything is going really fine and smooth, I aldy feel like I m on my recovery journey.   ::)

Very happy for you that you can walk well. but let me ask you, what did you do to can walk again while you still lengthening ? last time I asked you, walking was so hard as you said.

I am going to do femur soon, so I am intertsed to get your experience: ))
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2015, 04:58:56 AM »

@Melan-sprint
Sorry, I don't know much about those alignment things. But my doctor told me when internal nailing is done with my method, they will b fixed.

@Kirp1
It's surprising that my duckass is no longer there. I can now stand really straight without pain. Well I think they resolved from doing lots of stretching for my hip flexers for the last several weeks. But quite amazing that they went away really quick.

@alex
Hi alex, yes I'll try to help as much as I can. Very few people do external femurs or with LATN method, so I guess there aren't enough information or examples that we need. That's why I m in this forum. I'll try to share as much information as I can about my experiences.
Ok, back to my walking, I still need help to get me up on my crutches, sitting back is ok for me. That's because my knees cannot bend. It's just all about balancing. First I just tried standing and test my balance, take short steps with someone's assistance first, then tried unaided. It's just like babies learning to walk for the first time. Knowing ur balance is important. Good luck with ur journey. Best wishes.


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Re: 8cms update, LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2015, 05:01:09 AM »

8cms!! I still couldn't believe that I came this far. I m now feeling very happy and satisfied that I have just overcome the hardest battle and now enjoying my confort zone.
Yet the journey is still not over though, the internal nailing surgery in June buzzes me alot when I think of it.

My condition now after reaching the targeted length; I've been walking quite alot with weight-bearing of about only 30% of my body weight (86 pounds), using elbow crutches. My Roms were left 25' with the last distraction yet I feel like gaining them back, very little but easier to bend them.
Sleep wasn't bad for me during the distraction phase but now it is definitely better with about 1/10 of muscle tightness and ache.
Overall I m now so in love with my fixators and I won't mind wearing them for longer time if it guarantees decompression during the next internal nailing surgery. ;)
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Achieved 7.9cms. Lenghtened 8.4cms so lost only 5mms on second internal nailing surgery.

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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2015, 05:26:21 AM »

Congratulations for your lengthening! You are a true warrior! Now the hardest part is over.
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« Reply #78 on: April 28, 2015, 05:41:24 AM »

Hey princess!! Congrats for a successful journey so far n wish u all the best!!
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2015, 11:37:15 PM »

Hi Bluebarbie , how are you doing?
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2015, 05:11:43 PM »

bluebarbie , please update , how are you ?
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« Reply #81 on: May 04, 2015, 11:51:10 AM »

Thanks buddies. I m doing well. My condition was the same as my last update plus I m enjoying my moments of less stress, tightness and stretching exercises. During distraction I turned 4 times a day so I did my exercises 3 times daily, 2 to 3 hours each sessions. Now it's off my shoulder but I still do my daily stretches. And I use my crutches alot. I go out sometimes and try to love my life in frames becoz I might stay in them longer than planned.
I will meet my dr on the 10th.  We'll discuss about the next surgery.  I m still worried about losing my cms and my alignment thing during that surgery.
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2015, 12:12:37 PM »

hope all goes well with your new surgery. my friend
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2015, 03:10:27 PM »

hope all goes well with your new surgery. my friend

Me too. I like this girl. She's genuine. She posts her Xrays and pics.
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« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2015, 04:13:37 AM »

Thanks,. you two. :-*
Four months anniversary! Went to see my doctor today. We discussed mainly about that re-shortening thing and misalignment. He answered my questions with passion and explained me about the surgical methods that could be used during the nailing procedure.  He instructed me to  stimulate the callus with turning back and forth one week after another. It's like starting from tomorrow I have to rewind my turns twice a day for a week (about 4 mms) then get them back to last distraction the next week and go on. Its quite a relief that my doubts and worries have gone down, not totally but much relieved after our discussion. 

I have been going out quite alot and enjoying my consolidation with the best I can, like keeping myself busy with the things I love to do and rehabilitation of course. When I go out or meet my friends, I feel sooooo verrry happy with my new height that everytime I stand up, I feel like I was reborn again. There is no more fear that people would see my ugliness and feeling small that I just wanted to shrank more and disappear. I feel awesome.

I still go to rehab center three to four times a week and I do my daily stretches at home. My doctor told me to work on my knee bending more, as much as I could. I was left with about 25' with my last distraction. Up to now I gain back about 10' so my knee Roms are around 35' at the moment.
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« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2015, 04:33:56 AM »

 ::) 8) 8) ;D My proportions

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« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2015, 04:55:16 AM »

Looking really great!  Congratulations!  ;)
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« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2015, 05:31:57 AM »

Great that you're back on your feet and feeling good. Hope your nail insertion goes particularly well :)
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« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2015, 10:45:20 AM »

You look great. You have done a very good amount of lengthening. You are a true LL warrior. Now enjoy the recovery and work hard to get all your ROM back. :D
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« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2015, 11:25:56 AM »

Congratulation on a successful leg lengthening journey.

Stick to physical therapy and you'll be fine.
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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2015, 03:17:12 PM »

I have a quetsion plaese, Now I am in the external deveice, and I am going to start lenthing in few days. I can walk with the walker, dose lenthing will make walking harder ? please tell me your experince about this point.

I am doing femur as well.
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« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2015, 05:46:14 AM »

Heyy, Long time no update. Thank u all for the lovely and motivating comments.
I still do my physios sincerely. Muscle tightness and tensions are nearly all gone. Yesterday went shopping for about 2hours and still no pain. I try to walk more every day to allow more blood flow. I feel like a normal person just lacking the ability to bend the knees to their normal range and not being able to sleep on my sides. I'll be meeting dr Sarbjit to do my xrays of 1.5 months post lenghtening.
@Alex: I couldn't walk with walker coz I was afraid to put too much weight on my legs. I tried crutches also but elbow crutches are just perfect to use. Just need a lil practice. How much can u bend ur knees? Knee bending range loses with lengthening. But u have to walk whether u can bend them or not, putting about only 20_30% on ur legs.
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Surgery dates: first (10.01.2015), second (16.07.2015)
Lenghtening finished (01.05.2015)
Starting height 145cms, Goal 7 to 7.5cms
Achieved 7.9cms. Lenghtened 8.4cms so lost only 5mms on second internal nailing surgery.

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Re: LATN Femurs - Dr Singh
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2015, 06:02:03 AM »


@Alex: I couldn't walk with walker coz I was afraid to put too much weight on my legs. I tried crutches also but elbow crutches are just perfect to use. Just need a lil practice. How much can u bend ur knees? Knee bending range loses with lengthening. But u have to walk whether u can bend them or not, putting about only 20_30% on ur legs.

I can bend one around 75, and the second just 45. I just started lengthening so I am afraid of range loses with lengthening as you said.

why you say put only 20 - 30 % on legs ? by the way, I am doing with ilzarov, not side deveice as yours, but mine is not full rings ilzarov, it's the same as this
http://www.orthopediconlineshop.com/Illizarov/ILIZAROV-Italian-Femoral-Arches
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