Note: This was originally posted on old forum , only to be deleted right away with my account being banned. Seems like Sysop/Apothesis is too afraid to discuss all of this openly, validating that he has too many things to hide from everyone.
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Hello everyone
This is my final post here on old forum , it's has definitely been an interesting 6 months since I joined, I have made over 50 posts and received a credibility rating of 28. I've mentioned this not to brag, only to hopefully show that I have made posts that people have find worthy and useful to others. I hope this post will be the same, keeping it real.
For anyone interested to find out more about the uncensored thoughts from a patient who did surgery in India, check out this post here
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5.0Please spread the word out about this new forum, the new forum has been created for a purpose. The word going around recently is some members are afraid to leave old forum or get banned here because they depend entirely on the old forum.
However once you read the post below, you'll realize that everything on there can be taken with a pinch of salt. My post is going to upset a few people because it's not what they want to hear, because they are desperate to get taller. However this is reality check and facts that are worth considering.
Ultimately this is the internet and you have to make the decision for yourself as a independent adult.
For this post, I will include certain quotes from others members, so I certainly do not take credit for everything written, but I will fully endorse them. This includes ex patients and people who were simply questioning the credibility of the old forum recently.
If you don't see any replies to PM or replies anymore, then you know that a person likely been silently banned from the old forum even if there are no such wording in their profile.
We are all adults here, so let's discuss all the recent things that have happened on this forum recently openly and logically, hopefully without censorship.
First off, I believe the purpose and priority of the old forum is no longer for the patient's well being. It's no longer able to provide accurate information for people considering Limb Lengthening. Here are the reasons why.
1) Censorship
The old forum is no longer a open 'community' for discussion. We have Apotheosis aka Sysop the forum admin who decide to delete posts and ban members as he likes. I use the word 'community' loosely because it's not really one when one person dictate what you can read and cannot read, what you can discuss and cannot discuss.
Example: Patients from Sarin guesthouse have been banned and have their posts removed, that's why they are no longer active here. From Captain America, Zero, Dem, 7cmwithSarin, Calic. That's alot of patients that has been banned suddenly without any explanations.
Posts by other members questioning Sysop/Apotheosis impartiality and Dr Sringari legitimacy have also lead to ban and deletion of posts. So we have one person here running over anything he doesn't want to be read and decide who is saying the right things. How is this a "community" in anyway shape or form?
So if you want to keep using this site, you best not say anything that will cause him not to make money. It is not safe to talk against SysOp/Apotheosis or Dr. Sringari on old forum site.
Btw, be careful with the PM on old forum as they are not private. SysOp/Apotheosis has been known to read people's private messages.
2) Sysop/Apotheosis and his Buddies Financial Interest
The old forum is simply an advertising board for Apotheosis/Sysop and his 'buddies' to gain financial returns by promoting limb lengthening with doctors they are working with. It's a shame that a site that was suppose to provide honest information has turn into a place for shady marketing by a small group of people.
Alot of people are disgusted at the level of shady dealings and basically using people around the world as pawns so they can make a quick buck. This is why leaving old forum is the right direction to go, so they can no longer carry on this unethical business.
Beforehand, SysOp/Apotheosis mentioned that he was planning to bring Dr. Betz's Rods to India to give to Dr. Sarin. You see, SysOp/Apotheosis invested in the rod and makes money from its sale. The more doctors that use the Betz Nail, the more money he can make.
See the conflict of interest here?
This maybe a bitter pill for many people here to swallow, but when Apotheosis/SySop took over old forum website in 2011, he first think about his business and how he could gain money instead of worrying about the medical aspects and the safety of potential patients.
2.1 - The Phantom
SysOp is advocating unethical use of the old forum to meet his, and his business partner's needs. Right now, he is actively promoting a fake patient and the machinations going with Dr. Sringari's practice. Dr. Sringari is a nice doctor, but he is NOT experienced in complex Cosmetic LL and has no professional training that proper LL doctors do.
SysOp is in on this deal too, he is financing and investing and promoting Dr. Sringari because he owns a certain percentage of the Betzbone Nail. EVERYTIME someone uses it, he gets money from patent royalty and investment gains.
The Phantom is NOT a real LL patient. He is Crazy+6. SysOp/Apotheosis Knows this full well, but he is allowing this to happen because SysOp, Sunny, Harry, Crazy+6 (and possibly some former patients who have a vendetta against Dr. Sarin) want to make money.
The Phantom diary and character is simply a figment of the imagination. This is very disturbing how SysOp allows this to go on without concern for potential patient's safety who blindly goes to this new doctor because of a false diary.
Notice even how the photos of ThePhantom's frames which he posted are completely different from the frames of the other Dr. Sringari patients (the real patients).
The Phantom main purpose was to introduce the old forum community to Dr. Sringari until a real patient showed up and wrote a real diary. After The Phantom's purpose was achieve, he would disappear into the shadows and "go home." The Phantom is really Crazy+6's fake persona used to market Dr. Sringari to the world. How can a person do surgery in July and leave in September because his visa 'expired' ?
2.2 - Sysop Visit To India
On topic, "SysOp visiting India" is where SysOp/Apotheosis slips and writes that his motivation for going to India was not to see/help the patients at Dr. Sarin guesthouse make positive improvements, it was to "promote LL and invest in as many Doctors in as many operating theaters as possibly in India."
As you can see, impartiality, integrity and transparency is not something we have with Apotheosis/Sysop. As the moderator of this forum, he should be impartial and neutral, so he has failed completely and cannot be trusted anymore.
Did anyone notice that right after Sarin was delisted from the recommended list, six new diaries for Sringari and Donghonn got started right away?
No surprise because Apotheosis is financially invested, thus he state that the purpose of old forum is to "pushing LL forward" and "promote LL"
That is precisely the reason why other people with shady intentions are running havoc on this forum, because the rot starts at the top with a crook running the place who is actively encouraging it.
What all this promotion is doing is killing the site, leading to members leaving. This has become a site where accurate information and advocacy of a cautious approach has turned into finding the cheapest surgeon available and crossing your fingers hoping for luck.
A forum should be run as objectively as possible, not the way it has been running since the whole Sarin craze started shortly after Apotheosis took over and commercialize the website into an advertising portal.
2.3 Dr Sarin and His Staff
Meanwhile Dr. Sarin has been buying himself a new luxury car regularly due to his new wealth for being advertised on old forum .
Now originally Crazy6 had approached Dr. Sarin in 2011 about partnering up and marketing Dr. Sarin to make him famous on old forum . Things did not go the way Crazy+6 intended, he ended up with really serious lifelong complications and may never walk normally again. Also he was not doing his job properly, so he was let go earlier in 2013 from their 'partnership'. By the end of the relationship, even Crazy6 had grew fearful of the doctor's unprofessional treatment but was too scared to speak openly.
Dr. Sarin was said by Crazy+6 to be a "perfect 10/10" and talked about how great he was. Then, without waiting for patients to get their frames removed and report full recovery, Sysop goes ahead and adds Sarin to the recommended list. This in turn dupes people into thinking Dr. Sarin is some amazing doc and then they go there and have their lives wrecked.
A lot of the patients were very surprised at the large disparity that they see / experience here in reality, and what they THOUGHT it would have been like from reading some of the older diaries from last year.
Dr. Sarin has been threatening patients to keep silent about conditions there and hint that he might retaliate on the operating table. There are numerous cases where the doctor's unprofessional attitude and negligence created unnecessary complications for his patients. The doctor should have been listed on the not recommended list, but Sysop was probably too embarrassed at his decision to endorse the doctor in the first place.
Sunny was Dr Sarin's assistant, he was fired for embezzling (stealing) money from Dr. Sarin and his patients. He was also planning to backstab and move on to promote other doctors and was actively seeking Doctor's for a variety of procedures, and asking current patients to help too.
There is also a possibility that Sysop/Apotheosis had a falling out with Dr Sarin because the doctor did not want to use the IM nail he had invested in. Remember how Sarin wanted to manufactured his own internal nails? Turn out that was a complete disaster and the results of his first internal patients has been filled with complications. Dr. Sarin was going to use his own Hydraulic Nail so SysOp was cut out of the deal with Dr. Sarin. Go figure.
Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Conclusion: I wish everyone all the best in making a proper decision. Staying at old forum would means supporting a small group of crooks who are interested in making money first over your well being.
Please feel free to join us at
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/ and register an account to join in a real community where members genuinely look to share honest and accurate information, with no censorship and shady intentions behind it.
P.S If Sysop/Apotheosis has the interests of the general community at heart, then he should allow this thread to stay open and allow uncensored discussions if he has done nothing wrong.
Goodbye old forum .
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