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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2018, 09:51:01 PM »

My joints are not the same as before. I'm so worried. This is a light of hope you give me. Thanks

Femur. Fitbone. Retrograde. i did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. Rods removed recently but I lost height before this.

Many things were wrong. This deserves a long answer.

If this all is true i am really sorry for you. Did you ever consider to contact Dr. Betz in Germany. I think he is a really good surgeon.he gets called In difficult cases of accidents to other hospitals in Germany to make the surgery because he is really that good. He is correcting also other LLers who had a bad outcome from other Dr from other countries.

Wish you the best

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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2018, 09:54:28 PM »

Hi Troll.

Any picture or X-ray to proof you are genuine patient?
Same old story.
Good strategy to create a fake patient to slander M again and again.
Bring proofs. None of MIC residents has reported what you explain

You're the FAKE. None of MIC residents have ever seen you.

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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2018, 09:56:37 PM »

If this all is true i am really sorry for you. Did you ever consider to contact Dr. Betz in Germany. I think he is a really good surgeon.he gets called In difficult cases of accidents to other hospitals in Germany to make the surgery because he is really that good. He is correcting also other LLers who had a bad outcome from other Dr from other countries.

Wish you the best

C

He's out of my budget. I can't afford him.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2018, 09:57:09 PM »

Oh yes they did.
X-rays please?
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2018, 09:59:00 PM »

Oh yes they did.
X-rays please?

Xrays only for mods, not for you Monegal spy. I don't want his revenge.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2018, 10:00:02 PM »

Come on you brave troll.
X rays troll
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2018, 11:13:43 PM »

I understand you dont want to get in details, but its difficult to trust you if you dont say more specific factsj, i dont say you are fake.
But i think you should give us details.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2018, 09:57:26 PM »

I understand you dont want to get in details, but its difficult to trust you if you dont say more specific factsj, i dont say you are fake.
But i think you should give us details.

What else do you want? I don't want to post xrays.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2018, 10:15:05 PM »

Why you think monegal is a bad surgeon, and the problems your friends had
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2018, 10:24:38 PM »

My joints are not the same as before. I'm so worried. This is a light of hope you give me. Thanks

Femur. Fitbone. Retrograde. i did 6.5 cm. I was 5'65. When I finished LL I was 5'9. I'm 5'8 or 5'85 now depending on the day. Rods removed recently but I lost height before this.

Many things were wrong. This deserves a long answer.
Is common that you loose height in nail removing surgery. Good that you chose antegrade way, becuase your knees could be way worse with antegrade insertion. I am surprised Monegal accepted to do retrograde insertion, he likes to do antegrade to avoid shaft fractures.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2018, 10:43:26 PM »

Is common that you loose height in nail removing surgery. Good that you chose antegrade way, becuase your knees could be way worse with antegrade insertion. I am surprised Monegal accepted to do retrograde insertion, he likes to do antegrade to avoid shaft fractures.

Why do you say that? Monegal always does retrogade (knee). I lost height before removal.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2018, 10:44:49 PM »

Why you think monegal is a bad surgeon, and the problems your friends had

very long story
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2018, 10:46:22 PM »

Ok so end this diary so
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2018, 10:53:08 PM »

Ok so end this diary so

What do you mean? Do you want me to repeat? My friends got nerve damage, misalignment, fractures. One of them had more than 10 surgeries. One of them committed suicide. Do you want more details?

The doctor cares more about his EGO than his patients. He's reckless and he commits mistakes he never admits. He has no ethics. Do you want more details?

What else do you want to know?
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2018, 11:15:23 PM »

Why do you say that? Monegal always does retrogade (knee). I lost height before removal.
Sorry I mean retrograde, that is the reason of knee pain, I think that the Lost in height is more the inaccuracy of the fitbone implant and q angle.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2018, 12:27:40 PM »

Sorry I mean retrograde, that is the reason of knee pain, I think that the Lost in height is more the inaccuracy of the fitbone implant and q angle.

Probably inaccuracy but it's also strange I got 5'9 after and now 5'8 some days.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2018, 09:20:46 PM »

Probably inaccuracy but it's also strange I got 5'9 after and now 5'8 some days.

There can be a 2cm difference in morning and before bed height.

A 5'9 man will go to essentially 5'8 in a day, before bed.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2018, 09:33:39 PM »

There can be a 2cm difference in morning and before bed height.

A 5'9 man will go to essentially 5'8 in a day, before bed.

I measured myself always same hour. I don't understand why I lost height.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2018, 07:11:06 PM »

If this all is true i am really sorry for you. Did you ever consider to contact Dr. Betz in Germany. I think he is a really good surgeon.he gets called In difficult cases of accidents to other hospitals in Germany to make the surgery because he is really that good. He is correcting also other LLers who had a bad outcome from other Dr from other countries.

Wish you the best

C
Dude, your Dr Betz is a third rate surgeon who cannot be trusted. Be careful.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2018, 08:24:01 PM »

Dude, your Dr Betz is a third rate surgeon who cannot be trusted. Be careful.

When I was in Barcelona I met many patients. They didn't like Dr Monegal but he was cheaper and some had surgery with him for that reason (me included).They had visited Dr Guichet and Dr Betz and they hadn't liked them, but some patients had met Dr Paley and Rozbruch and they had good words about them. The only problem was their price. I think European doctors have many shortcomes and Hanshi is right, patients aren't protected against malpractice. If you can avoid European doctors it's bettter to avoid them, Dr Monegal above all because he is crazier and has less experience.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2018, 08:52:56 PM »

Show x rays troll! Hahaha
Same old   about European doctors 😂😂😂
You sound like a broken record. Get lost but first bring some evidence
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2018, 08:53:22 PM »

When I was in Barcelona I met many patients. They didn't like Dr Monegal but he was cheaper and some had surgery with him for that reason (me included).They had visited Dr Guichet and Dr Betz and they hadn't liked them, but some patients had met Dr Paley and Rozbruch and they had good words about them. The only problem was their price. I think European doctors have many shortcomes and Hanshi is right, patients aren't protected against malpractice. If you can avoid European doctors it's bettter to avoid them, Dr Monegal above all because he is crazier and has less experience.

Are you another person who thinks it's solely US or no-go for LL?
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2018, 09:26:34 PM »

Are you another person who thinks it's solely US or no-go for LL?

I'd say there is a ranking from safe to less safe options. US is the safest. Then Dr Betz, Dr Guichet... Then Dr Monegal and others.

Show x rays troll! Hahaha
Same old   about European doctors 😂😂😂
You sound like a broken record. Get lost but first bring some evidence


You DO sound like a broken record troll. Nobody knows who you are unless you're Musicmaker.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2018, 09:42:15 PM »

No way troll.

While you search for your x rays just a sample of your beloved American doctors.
Just a reminder Ilizarov was Russian, as well as creators of Albuzzia, ISKD, Fitbone...all European.
LL had started in Europe since decades when your celebrity Paley was at high school.

‭https://www.google.es/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-doctor-dror-paley-20160318-story,amp.html

https://www.reachyourheight.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2014-Fragomen-and-Rozbruch-Precision-of-PRECICE-Clinical-Orthopedics-and-Related-Research.pdf

4% implant related complications and 24% non-implant related complications

Good point troll
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2018, 12:30:30 AM »

What a brave diary! You are RIGHT in your opinions. I don't know about other patients but I learnt about Musicmaker's case from other people. Wheelchair bounded and her leg was shortened and crooked. She said she would be fine but she wasn't.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2018, 12:31:44 AM »

So where is your "long answer" about what he did wrong?

Saying "This deserves a long answer" is not exactly a good or clear answer in itself.
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« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2018, 02:11:17 AM »

So where is your "long answer" about what he did wrong?

Saying "This deserves a long answer" is not exactly a good or clear answer in itself.

Give me time. I don't know if other patients want me to post their stories here.
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2018, 05:44:28 AM »

Post your own x rays first 😂😂😂
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« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2018, 11:09:35 PM »

When I was in Barcelona I met many patients. They didn't like Dr Monegal but he was cheaper and some had surgery with him for that reason (me included).They had visited Dr Guichet and Dr Betz and they hadn't liked them, but some patients had met Dr Paley and Rozbruch and they had good words about them. The only problem was their price. I think European doctors have many shortcomes and Hanshi is right, patients aren't protected against malpractice. If you can avoid European doctors it's bettter to avoid them, Dr Monegal above all because he is crazier and has less experience.

I'm one of those guys. You're right
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2018, 01:49:41 AM »

Let's see...
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So everyone who is talking   in this thread is registered in May... interesting.

Cooper/LLuser... you NEED to take your pills dude. This is creepy as fk. You need to go on with your life, seriously.

It's not a matter about Monegal anymore. It's about your mental health.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2018, 02:24:44 AM by zantac20 »
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Re: LL Nightmare in Barcelona
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2018, 02:45:25 AM »

LLuser (aka Notatroll?) should take his pills, and Mr Sarcastic (aka Oh So arrogant) as well. I think there are also independent trolls who registered now because they wanted to participate in all the drama Notatroll and Ohsoarrogant created. I'm not sure, but I think Morpheus, Amigos and Iwontallow are independent users/trolls.
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