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[Johnson1111]

That side by side surely isn't accurate? He's 5'11" towering over his 5'8" self? I don't see that being realistic.

[419]

Nah, that can't be right. The LLer is now 181cm (just over 5'11). I think they look about the same height now. So it's more like Pili is 5'11.

I hear Parihar is like 6'1-6'2, he does not need to perform LL on himself for sure

[7231]

BodyBuilder, I know your experience with ATL was bad and all you are doing is spreading the word. LL, the surgery, in itself is risky, there are bad outcomes in LL, doesnt mean all such patients dissuade to do it under any doctor. No offence to you, I really respect and look up to you. You know that too.
But I feel if a doctor is good and confident and has good outcomes with his patients after the surgery then it is fine. SO IT MAJORLY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE DOCTOR SKILLS, AND THE TECHNIQUE.

I dont trust Paley more than Catagni(Paley learnt from him and has very high regards for Catagni), not for tibias and definitely not for externals.
I by no means support any doc, but I dont like the baseless(without data) accusation on the doctors. I am speaking with data. If I were to do my femurs, since there is not much data on Catagni/Pili, I wouldnt go with them either. Also regarding "defending my doctor", I have written about my doctor being not responsive over mail after the surgery. So I do not take sides. I do see by experience and data, he can perform a good surgery though. He doesnt entertain otherwise.

Please name the "respectable" docs. I feel you would say Paley and few more against ATL. To you because, ATL was not good for you and some more patients, any doc performing it is "not respectable", instead of seeing the results and beliveing what these patients have to say. That way, any one with bad LL, would consider any doctor performing LL itself "not respectable".

Since you asked some places where people said they are doing fine, here...you have your comments in many of these conversations:
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1. NOTTOOTALL: (you asked him, he had ATL..complete the link by filling old forum.org between "www." and "/index..."):
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107096.html#msg107096 (says he is fine)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107126.html#msg107126 (you again curious abt ATL and were puzzled he could walk so soon)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107208.html#msg107208 (he clarifying again that he feels much releived)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107306.html#msg107306 (can walk much much better)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107345.html#msg107345 (repeating it)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107911.html#msg107911 (you still have your doubts)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg107912.html#msg107912 (he is again telling you he did ATL for the better)
http://www. /index.php/topic,7920.msg109144.html#msg109144 (OP says he can run)

2. CAMILLO (had ATL you dint ask him though, but he replied to you in a different thread..complete the link by filling old forum.org between "www." and "/index..."):
http://www. /index.php/topic,8055.msg109195.html#msg109195 (says no issue post ATL)
http://www. /index.php/topic,8055.msg109221.html#msg109221 (suggests ATL too with a good doc, says it depends on your docs skills)

3. Whereintheworld (dint get ATL):
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3582.msg59803#msg59803

4. Lumiere (said he too avoided):
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2161.msg37137#msg37137

5. Exagerate (NO ATL)
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3481.msg69258#msg69258 (you were astonished with him lengthening so much without atl)
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3481.msg69261#msg69261 (says he is not the onlu one)

6. Espresso (ATL, you asked him)
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4611.msg72482#msg72482 (mentiones he did atl, see the entire conversation between the two of you)
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4611.msg72487#msg72487 (same questions of yours. I know your intention is fine. But your doc was differnt. this thread is only about Pilis patients.)
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4611.msg72488#msg72488 (says he is fine)

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4397.msg68371#msg68371 (different thread where espresso asks about the rumors regarding ATL, you have your comments a few post above. here is camillo replying to you)

Shadow(might have had atl, dont know he dint update though).

KiloKahn mentioning parihars view regarding ATL:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=634.msg11951#msg11951

"If equinous is severe he would do a tendon release. As far as losing push off strength, he said it only matters if you want to be Usain Bolt or something, but it should not affect your day to day activities or your ability to do recreational sports. He said they can lengthen the tendons with what they call percutaneous techniques, where they basically slide the fibers. It leads to a certain amount of weakness but he said the data available shows it's not a significant loss in strength. He also said that the problem is that in medicine not everything is documented and not everything can be documented either. The example he gave was that if he does CLL in 10 patients and they are all from different backgrounds with different physiques, then you cannot extrapolate the results because there will be individual differences, just like how a bunch of siblings raised the same and having the same genetics may have different allergies from each other. So there are things that are reasonable and logical but not always 100% true, which is why one can argue many different ways."
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Conclusion, not all patients under Pili/catagni had ATL(3/6 diaries had), and those who had, did well enough later on.

Regarding video of running/jumping, its people's choice if they need to put it. In case I require ATL to achieve my goal and I do it, I would post it post recovery. I do post my photos for 2-3 days before removing it later on. I am on no ones side again. I just go with the data.

If you or the OP or anyone has proper data to show ATL under Pili/Catagni is disaterous, please post it. They said all of their patients turned out fine. Assuming all is a large percentage, I still feel its a risk similar to LL under a good doc. The choice is one's own.

If you trust Catagni/Pili more than Paley then I can only laugh at that, and FYI - if you follow Pili/Catagni diaries and discussions these doctors doll out ATL recommendation like candys - that is a huge red signal for me and that is the sole reason I never ever considered them and never will for my surgery.

[Thatdude950]

Goodmorning everyone,
is the first time I write in the forum I joined yesterday.
I should OPERATE in Lecco in October with Catagni, who is known to work with Pili.
The first thing that told me with great serenity is that generally after 5 cm of lengthening the Achilles tendon is extended and that it would have booked the surgery immediately after the first days of lengthening.
It seems strange to me that if it is so dangerous, it spoke calmly, also because being an Italian citizen, the intervention of the tendon is covered by the health system and not at the patient's expense.

I don't know anything about this, but if it's true that the surgery is covered by the health system it should set off alarm bells. Pili is writing himself cheques every time he successfully reccomends it

[Annalisa]

If I'm luckly, I'm going to have tibial lengthening next year. Going from about  4'11 feet to 5'2. Still, short, but decent short for a woman. And, if possible, I will lengthen femurs after a few years and get to 5'5, but I can see myself not having much neurosis at 5'2.  I will go to Pili. He is  in my country, its price are great (he said, he will even give me the precice at 42000 euro, if I do two surgery), complications are paid by state, and is really a good orthopedic surgeon. You don't know him much, because he has no made a business out of cosmetic limb lengthening like Guichet and butchers like that. I've read an article about a woman who had serious bone issue, he was the one to fix it, after years of pain  He mostly work under the  national health care system, which means, he earns a fixed amount of money, doesn't matter how many operations he does. So, it's not true, he advices ATL to get more money. It's worrying  that he does such operation, but I won't do it. I will strengthen and walk a lot, and use special footwear to firm by feet on the ground. Also, a minor ballerina, is better than having weak legs. I just wonder if ballerina feet cause posture issues, because I already have back pain and lumbar lordosis to fix.

[TemakiSushi]

I just spoke with two different patients who had surgery with Dr. Pili. Both had surgery over 2 years ago and still can't even walk properly. They said running or playing sports is basically impossible. They both lengthened their tibia's and then had achilles tendon lengthening surgery recommended by Dr. Pili.

It is incredibly dangerous to surgically lengthen your achillies tendon. I never understood why Dr. Pili talks about it so casually as if it's no big deal and routinely recommends it. Now I find out his patients can barely walk.

Do they walk like this woman in this video? http://seikei.heteml.jp/621.html?
http://seikei.heteml.jp/621.html

[notatroll]

Do they walk like this woman in this video? http://seikei.heteml.jp/621.html?
http://seikei.heteml.jp/621.html

What happened to that woman?

[TemakiSushi]

What happened to that woman?

Perineal nerve damage