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« on: October 03, 2013, 10:11:41 AM »

Here's the response from Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center for Restorative Traumatology and Orthopaedics

At present height increase in our Center possible, if the patient complies with the criteria, indicated in Protocol No1 of July 22, 2013.

1. Starting height less than 165 cm for guys (160 cm - for girls).
2. Disproportion of lower limb segments (evaluated by doctors of the Center).
3. Disproportion of body and limbs (evaluated by doctors of the Center).
4. There is also age limit, 21-40 years, associated with higher risk of osteoporosis, complications related to vascular system and delayed consolidation.
5. The height increase candidates should be in good health and they are required to bring a health report, describing their entire previous medical history, signed by GP.

If you comply with with the above requirements, then height increase is possible at our Center.

Duration of in-patient treatment depends on many factors, including age, amount of lengthening, patient's diligence in following doctor's recommendations, etc.

However, it is not mandatory to stay in the hospital during the entire treatment. It is possible to be discharged from the hospital for out-patient treatment during fixation period (consolidation of the achieve result). In this case duration of hospital stay is reduced (and, of course, the cost). Usually our height increase patients stay in the hospital for the distraction period; then they leave the hospital for out-patient treatment with fixators on; and later it is mandatory to be admitted to the hospital again for a few days for fixator removal.

Motion activity, physical exercise therapy, walking with crutches or sticks, starts from the second day after surgery.
During the entire treatment our patients lead an active lifestyle, almost without limitations.  Our patients start walking without additional means of support in 1.5-2 months after removal of the external fixators.

The cost of our treatment is quite reasonable. It consists of the cost of preoperative examination, cost of surgery (which depends on how complex the surgery is), cost of fixator (which depends on the operated segment and number of parts), cost of accommodation (depends on the type of the room), duration of treatment, mandatory assistance package.

The costs are as follows:
standard preoperative examination (approx. 5000 roubles)
the cost of surgery (which depends on the type of surgery) - either 49400 roubles  (one-level lengthening) or 64200 roubles (two-level lengthening) per surgery (each leg is counted as a separate surgery).
the cost of fixator for one tibia - approx. 17800 roubles (you will need two of them)
the cost of one bed-day in a common room shared by 4-7 patients - 1460 roubles.
mandatory assistance package for 90 days - 117800 roubles (if you stay in the hospital longer - the cost will increase).

If you add all the above costs you will get the total cost of treatment. The cost includes accommodation, standard hospital meals, physical exercise therapy and medications associated with orthopaedic treatment, translator assistance in communication with hospital staff.

You can get additional information from doctor in English over the phone 007 3522 43 06 88.


Best regards,
Dr.K.I.Novikov, MD
Head of the orthopaedic Department No13
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center
"Restorative Traumatology and Orthopaedics""
6, M.Ulianova St., 640014, Kurgan, Russia
Phone: 007 3522 45 47 58
web-site: www.ilizarov.ru
e-mail: n.balayeva@ilizarov.ru (Natalia Balaeva)
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 01:11:11 PM »

if my calcs r right this is very cheap!!!

R you able to sum up the cost for full 3 month stay. it is not clear how to come up with the total cost. i get a figure of around US$12K.

What do they mean by 1 level lengthenning and 2 level lengthenning?

would be interested to know how much internals r if they do them.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 05:31:40 PM »

if my calcs r right this is very cheap!!!

R you able to sum up the cost for full 3 month stay. it is not clear how to come up with the total cost. i get a figure of around US$12K.

What do they mean by 1 level lengthenning and 2 level lengthenning?

would be interested to know how much internals r if they do them.

Here;s the response

1. The rough estimate is 12500 USD (including 3 months in a common room and 2 tibial surgeries). If the number of surgeries increases or the duration of stay increases - the cost will increase accordingly. Currency exchange rate also influences the cost, because the price-list is in roubles.

2. 1 cut of the tibia or 2 cuts.

3. For cosmetic height increase purpose internal techniques are not applied.

Natalia Balaeva
International Department
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center
« Last Edit: October 04, 2013, 05:44:06 PM by Dameon »
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2013, 02:16:02 AM »

Let me double check the height limits. I am 170 and I swear these people told me I would be ok .
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 12:01:53 PM »

I have to say I was always interested in why Russia did not get more diaries.

I wonder if the centre where Dr Mitkovic did surgery is still active?  From what I read back around 2008 patients were very happy with him, his results and his unique frames.

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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2014, 11:50:24 AM »

do you gys trust this doctor.

I am thinking this might be a good option.
have we had any diaries with him before. I notice he is also on the recommended doctors list for old forum .
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2014, 02:55:19 PM »

Do you guys think there is any hope of getting surgery done here for those over 165 CM? What if, say, a 173 guy wanted to get it done? Dr. Parley has said on numerous occasions that height neurosis can occur in people of any height. I think that this height cap is pretty unnecessary and annoying. Also, the requirement for "disproportion" is pretty unnecessary as well. Sweden was proportionate before his LL, and he looks just fine after 7 CM.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2014, 04:04:50 PM »


It may be personal preference of doc or mandated by the country's ortho/cosmetics society.

But I agree with Dr Paley

Do you guys think there is any hope of getting surgery done here for those over 165 CM? What if, say, a 173 guy wanted to get it done? Dr. Parley has said on numerous occasions that height neurosis can occur in people of any height. I think that this height cap is pretty unnecessary and annoying. Also, the requirement for "disproportion" is pretty unnecessary as well. Sweden was proportionate before his LL, and he looks just fine after 7 CM.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2014, 05:02:17 PM »

What technique does he use?
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 05:18:21 AM »

Did anyone seek treatment from the center? I guess it uses external fixation. But the price is attractive.
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Current height: 164 cm
Armspan: 170 cm
Desired height: 174 cm
Average male height in my country: 173 cm
Average female height in my country: 161 cm

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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 08:09:06 PM »

Here;s the response


2. 1 cut of the tibia or 2 cuts.


Natalia Balaeva
International Department
Federal State Budgetary Institution
"Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center

Does anyone here know what is meant by 1 or 2 cuts of the tibia? I've heard this terminology from a couple of surgeons.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2015, 10:43:18 PM »

2 cuts means they cut/break the bone in more than one place, so you have two gaps instead of one.  Some surgeons prefer patients to have two smaller gaps than one large one.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2015, 07:58:10 AM »

Is it riskier to get two cuts? A 2 cut approach would greatly reduce the distraction time though which is a huge plus for those who have limited time
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2015, 05:12:43 PM »

I am really interested due to the low price. Does anyone have interest too so that we can search more information together. I am a Hongkonger with the height of 164 cm, meeting one of the criteria. I wish to gain at least 7 cm more, reaching 171 cm, which is average in my country.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 04:31:21 AM »

I have been talking to them for almost 8 months and went to kurgan for consultatiin with them.

 They said they do the 1 cut for 5 cm or less. The two cut for over 5 cm.
the two cut allows for faster distraction of up to 2mm per day for the first 5-10 days. After that the rate of lengthening slows down.

Even i thought, damn 2mm is really fast.

but they pioneered this operation and they do it on a regulard basis so im kind of trusting them.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2015, 08:09:33 AM »

I have been talking to them for almost 8 months and went to kurgan for consultatiin with them.

 They said they do the 1 cut for 5 cm or less. The two cut for over 5 cm.
the two cut allows for faster distraction of up to 2mm per day for the first 5-10 days. After that the rate of lengthening slows down.

Even i thought, damn 2mm is really fast.

but they pioneered this operation and they do it on a regulard basis so im kind of trusting them.

They pioneered this operation. Do they have any successful cases for sharing? When will you start your operation? I would like to know more your experience dealing with them. I sent them an email last week but have not yet received any reply.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2015, 10:04:06 PM »

My doc seemed to think the double cut is a terrible idea for cosmetic lengthening.
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Surgery performed by Dr Mangal Parihar at Mangal Anand Center for Limb Lengthening & Reconstruction. http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=634.0
Pre-surgery height:  164 cm (Surgery on 6/25/2014)
Post-surgery height: 170 cm (Frames removed 6/29/2015)

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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2015, 04:08:32 AM »

They pioneered this operation. Do they have any successful cases for sharing? When will you start your operation? I would like to know more your experience dealing with them. I sent them an email last week but have not yet received any reply.

Thats kne of ny concerns. I cant find any diaries published in these two forums and those that have done it state successful results but they delete their diaries for bullsht reasons.

I detailed everything about my consultatiin witht them. Click kn my name and look through my posts cause i wrote alot.

In the Russian forums theh have a good reputation.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2015, 07:06:58 AM »

Natalie had emailed be back today. Rejected me due to my height of 171cm. And I only asked for 6cm increase
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2015, 09:48:45 AM »

Natalie had emailed be back today. Rejected me due to my height of 171cm. And I only asked for 6cm increase

Don't be upset. You may try Dr Barinov (in Volgograd) or Dr Bagirov (in Moscow). I think the prices are just similar.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2015, 04:27:38 AM »

I got an email back from Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center:-

Thank you for the interest to our Center.

You can increase your height by lengthening both tibiae by 6 cm at one
stage, at trauma and orthopaedic department # 17, Kurgan Ilizarov
Center. The treatment will take 5.5 to 6 months. It will cost about
650 000 Russian Roubles (staying at a shared room) or about 900 000
RusRoubles (single room) - surgeries. meals, radiographs, anaesthesia
included. You need to provide a health certificate showing you have no
contraindications for anaesthesia. Blood tests are to be made at the
Center, and you'll be examined by several specialists, like dentists,
ENT doctor, psychologist before you get to the hospital.

Best regards,

Prof.A.M.Aranovich, MD, PhD
Head of trauma and orthopaedic department
RISC RTO, Kurgan, Russia


Would anyone who has LL done in the center like to share the experience?
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2015, 04:52:08 AM »

650,000 roubles @ .015 is 9,750 USD.

Not bad, everything included.

Except going to Russia right now is a big turn off.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2015, 10:05:46 PM »

Does anyine else find it weird that Kurgan quotes these short times for the total time of the procedure.

Theyre saying 5.5 to 6 months for 6cm and they quoted me 7 moths for 7 cm.

When I asked they said on the 2 cut operatiin you can lengthen faster.

Im am inclined to take their word on it gjven their experience and reputation but i want to know everyone elses thoughts on this.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2015, 11:03:18 PM »

Does anyine else find it weird that Kurgan quotes these short times for the total time of the procedure.

Theyre saying 5.5 to 6 months for 6cm and they quoted me 7 moths for 7 cm.

When I asked they said on the 2 cut operatiin you can lengthen faster.

Im am inclined to take their word on it gjven their experience and reputation but i want to know everyone elses thoughts on this.

That does seem a bit low. You can take a look at my x-rays after 6 months lengthening 6 cm, and they're clearly not consolidated enough to take off the frames, even though two separate orthos say my regenerate is really good.

Here's what my doc said about the double cut method:

"My surgeon said it's a bad idea for cosmetic lengthening. Double cut osteotomies are done in corrections sometimes, like when the bone is bent like a bow, but it just causes problems for a cosmetic case. For one thing, problems you can get during lengthening such as equinus contracture happen more easily with the double cut method. And problems such as having bad regenerate will happen in both osteotomy sites instead of one site with the single osteotomy, effectively making your issues twice as bad.

It's almost always the case that one osteotomy site will heal before the other too, meaning you're not going to be healing faster than someone with a single osteotomy. There have been studies which suggest that the double cut method doesn't result in any statistically significant speed up in recovery time compared to single cut osteotomy. So you're just giving yourself more issues by doing it."


http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1575.msg24646#msg24646
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2015, 02:47:01 PM »

how long till your frames can come off kilokahn?
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2015, 08:18:08 PM »

That does seem a bit low. You can take a look at my x-rays after 6 months lengthening 6 cm, and they're clearly not consolidated enough to take off the frames, even though two separate orthos say my regenerate is really good.

Here's what my doc said about the double cut method:

"My surgeon said it's a bad idea for cosmetic lengthening. Double cut osteotomies are done in corrections sometimes, like when the bone is bent like a bow, but it just causes problems for a cosmetic case. For one thing, problems you can get during lengthening such as equinus contracture happen more easily with the double cut method. And problems such as having bad regenerate will happen in both osteotomy sites instead of one site with the single osteotomy, effectively making your issues twice as bad.

It's almost always the case that one osteotomy site will heal before the other too, meaning you're not going to be healing faster than someone with a single osteotomy. There have been studies which suggest that the double cut method doesn't result in any statistically significant speed up in recovery time compared to single cut osteotomy. So you're just giving yourself more issues by doing it."


http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1575.msg24646#msg24646

They might be referring to the time table to return to daily life rather than when you can take the frames off.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2015, 01:44:03 PM »

650,000 roubles @ .015 is 9,750 USD.

Not bad, everything included.

Except going to Russia right now is a big turn off.

I'd be afraid of going to Russia right now, yes. Otherwise, it seems good.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2015, 05:42:49 AM »

Price update

Standard preop exam - approx. 6500-7000 
Surgery 1 B category - 46430*2
Surgery 3 category - 15910*2
Anaesthesia - cost varies between 2950 and 20530 (per one surgery)
X-ray - cost varies depending on the type of X-rays (approx. 500 roubles per one X-ray, you will need several X-rays throughout the treatment)
1 bed-day       - 1920 (shared)
                        -  2670 (double)
                        - 3290-4770 (single)
Ilizarov external fixator - cost varies depending on the type/number of parts (approx. 20000-30000 per one fixator; you will need 2 of them)
Mandatory assistance package - 117800 (up to 90 days)
Additional package - 69300 (91-180 days)
Additional package - 17520 (181-210 days) 

Some types of rooms might be not available.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2015, 07:12:13 AM »

that would be ruble yes?
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2015, 09:52:56 PM »

Yes of course.

The exchange rate favors Americans now.
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Re: Russian Ilizarov Scientific Center ( Kurgan, Russia)
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2015, 10:04:48 PM »

These prices are great however what's everyone on here saying about being afraid to go to Russia? Is that because of US relations? Would I be safer if I went on my cuban passport rather than an American one?
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