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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2020, 02:13:37 PM »

I started puberty super early - around 9. I was in the 95th percentile for height being 173cm at 13 and then only made it to 176cm. My dad is 6ft my mum is 5'5".

I also had steroid asthma inhalers which I don't think helped
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2020, 02:17:17 PM »

I started puberty super early - around 9. I was in the 95th percentile for height being 173cm at 13 and then only made it to 176cm. My dad is 6ft my mum is 5'5".

176cm ain't short. Unless you live in the Netherlands or a Slavic country.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2020, 02:23:13 PM »

The vast majority of us is short only due to our genes.
It is stupid for someone with a 5.7 dad and a 4.8 mom to think that he became 5.6-5.7 because he didn't sleep enough. In reality, he is very lucky to even be at that height with that parents heights, especially an almost dwarf mother.

I have a 5.9 dad, a 5.2 mom and ended up 5.65 which is completely normal with my parents heights.
I smoked a little at 16yo and started gym at the same year but telling that I stunted my growth for that reasons is completely bs.
I may have ended 1-2 cm taller if I didn't so what? Stunted growth is not 1-2 cm but at least 5-6 and today only in countries with famine children face problems like these.

All of us here have our heights at 99% due to our genes.
Sleep, healthier nutrition and all these may have given to some of us, not even the majority, 1 inch at max, nothing  to make us not thinking about LL.
So stop thinking stupid reasons and just accept that our genes made us the heights we are (or were for veterans like me).

Lol yeah, based on my heights at younger ages I would've been lucky to wind up 5'4"
Maybe wishful thinking that I could've been maybe a teensy bit taller if I ate meat and stuff because my diet was pretty bleh, but it really would've been pretty much the same.
But then for some bizarre reason my maternal uncle who's the equivalent of my mom's height and his mom who's probably not over 5'1" is now apparently 5'9" when he's two years older than me and used to be shorter and got a growth spurt at 19 and another cousin is 6'0" with a 5'1" mom and 5'7" dad. Genetics are weird.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2020, 05:43:33 PM »

Thanks yeah I'm from the UK. I guess I just feel like I haven't met my potential which is the main thing.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2020, 06:53:54 PM »

There is a proven strong relationship between puberty and height. Entering late puberty is always prolonged because the epiphyseal plates then close. but you're still glorious 176 so good
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2020, 07:13:36 PM »

Lol yeah, based on my heights at younger ages I would've been lucky to wind up 5'4"
Maybe wishful thinking that I could've been maybe a teensy bit taller if I ate meat and stuff because my diet was pretty bleh, but it really would've been pretty much the same.
But then for some bizarre reason my maternal uncle who's the equivalent of my mom's height and his mom who's probably not over 5'1" is now apparently 5'9" when he's two years older than me and used to be shorter and got a growth spurt at 19 and another cousin is 6'0" with a 5'1" mom and 5'7" dad. Genetics are weird.

Were you a vegetarian as a teen?
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2020, 07:20:35 PM »

Late puberty usually results in normal height, but it can traumatize a teen in highschool still being way under avg but eventually in early 20 or before they spurt up just fine and all is well.. It's the early puberty that fks kids up destined to be 6'0 but then aromatize od test at like 14 and stop growing there cuz fusion of plates despite normal hgh and igf1 levels aka precocious puberty gotta put tht bitchh on an AI asap once u see signs
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2020, 07:40:06 PM »

Yeah maybe I could've gained more if I ate meat or atleast injected HGH and used AI when I realised my growth rate plummeted hard 14 onwards.

So basically I was like the shortest-3rd shortest in my grade all the way up to 7th - 8th grade when I was suddenly above average and a few people called me "tall".  Then in 9th grade suddenly below average again, my neurosis then kicked in but I still wasn't "short short". I was predicted to be about 5'8" generally. 10th grade I was very depressed when I realised that I wasn't gonna grow much more. 11th grade, I feel pretty short again but not very short; 20th percentile or so. I knew I wouldn't be tall but I never really expected to wind up under 5'8", much less 5'6".

But then my cousin who ended up at 6ft with not much taller parents was asthmatic as a kid and very very skinny and ate barely okay.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2020, 08:28:11 PM »

Yeah maybe I could've gained more if I ate meat or atleast injected HGH and used AI when I realised my growth rate plummeted hard 14 onwards.

So basically I was like the shortest-3rd shortest in my grade all the way up to 7th - 8th grade when I was suddenly above average and a few people called me "tall".  Then in 9th grade suddenly below average again, my neurosis then kicked in but I still wasn't "short short". I was predicted to be about 5'8" generally. 10th grade I was very depressed when I realised that I wasn't gonna grow much more. 11th grade, I feel pretty short again but not very short; 20th percentile or so. I knew I wouldn't be tall but I never really expected to wind up under 5'8", much less 5'6".

But then my cousin who ended up at 6ft with not much taller parents was asthmatic as a kid and very very skinny and ate barely okay.
Doing hgh etc is not natural.
Maybe if I did hgh I would become taller but that doesn't mean I stunted my growth because I havent used hgh.
With hgh you would have cheated your natural height.
Otherwise it is like saying that if a man is skinny he hasn't reached his potential to become 130kg beast with injecting kilos of steroids, while the reaility is that steroids, hgh etc is cheating, not true potential. The same happens with LL. Exactly the same.

So, our potential is not by injecting hgh but without it.
Otherwise, our potential is +15cm by doing 2 LLs and if we dont do them then we havent reached it.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2020, 08:45:03 PM »

Never said I think I stunted my growth, which is really hard unless you are dirt poor. Just wishful thinking that if I ate meat and had a more optimal diet I would maybe end up fractionally taller (same as my dad or something like that) which as you said does not count as stunting your growth. Of course HGH is not natural and I did not count that as "stunting my growth" but I still had the possibility of having a small effect if I spotted it earlier.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2020, 08:52:37 PM »

Someone entering late teens will be above target height. If everything is fine for the person, there will be an increase in height each year before entering puberty and there will be a jump in puberty.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2020, 09:50:59 PM »

Never said I think I stunted my growth, which is really hard unless you are dirt poor. Just wishful thinking that if I ate meat and had a more optimal diet I would maybe end up fractionally taller (same as my dad or something like that) which as you said does not count as stunting your growth. Of course HGH is not natural and I did not count that as "stunting my growth" but I still had the possibility of having a small effect if I spotted it earlier.
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2020, 10:45:49 PM »

Yea honestly all of us wish we pushed our parents to go to endocrinologist and nag the doctor to prescribe hgh, especially if we are under 170cm in a western country, as they start to prescribe for idiopathic short stature (short bcuz of genetics, not bcuz of hgh deficiency) Unfortunately we can't go back to the past so it's rly toxic for me to keep reminding me of that.

I actually asked my parents why they didn't push the doctor to monitor my growth more and they legitimately didn't know that HGH existed, so they feel remorseful and guilty. Obviously not their fault, HGH is still pretty sci-fi if you think about it, it's crazy such a drug exist and it definitely has saved the self esteems of thousands of would-be short kids that are now average or almost average because of this wonder drug.

When I have a child, I will ensure to monitor their growth. I want them to be at least average, or slightly under. If the doctor doesnt recommends HGH and my kid is like 6th percentile just above the "cutoff" for insurance, I'm still getting the kid HGH. Obviously height insecurities shouldn't be forced into my kid especially if they aren't upset about it, but I will give him the treatment because there's probably a high chance of neurosis developing once you turn into an adult, and at that point it's too late. If I have a daughter and she truly doesn't mind it, then it's probably fine. For my son tho we will have conversations about this and maybe he will reject it and I'll have to respect it. Or he'll be like the thousands of kids who were retroactively thankful their parents did this instead of refusing it because "muh needles". Whatever it is, I just want them to be happy.

And hgh risk/reward is so lopsided in favor of reward. People bitchin about like a 0.001% increased chance of cancer for the 2 or 3 years while on HGH, and basically gatekeep poor kids from feeling normal. fk those people and those doctors that don't prescribe to short kids who suffer
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2020, 10:49:54 PM »

I went to an endo over a year ago (and two more later) when I was 16 and they were remarkably useless, she outright denied I was short (I measured 166.5 / 5ft 5.5 there so either I grew or a mismeasurement - probably the latter) and recommended me a psychiatrist and all of them refused it and said I would grow 1 cm max and probably nothing with my bone age of 17 (now 18 and change) and have horrible joint problems and blah balh blah
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2020, 10:54:02 PM »

I went to an endo over a year ago (and two more later) and they were remarkably useless, she outright denied I was short (I measured 166.5 / 5ft 5.5 there so either I grew or a mismeasurement - probably the latter) and all of them refused it and said I would grow 1 cm max with my bone age of 17 (now 18 and change) and have horrible joint problems and blah balh blah

Man that sucks. Maybe it would've actually gave you a cm, but still, it's really bad they pick and choose based on statistics. Like a 5th percentile height kid gets this   approved and then a 7th percentile kid gets hgh rejected because he's too tall.   like that infuriates me.

Tell that kid whos 5'2 that "you're short enough to get HGH!" And then tell that 5'3 kid that "oh sorry, you're above the cutoff. Tough luck in this life. Try next reincarnation." Arbitrary   like that. Honestly if the kid is having   self esteem because of height there's no reason not to give em it.

People say studies show in NORMAL kids that prescribing hgh to non deficient kids only results in 3 inches more.

Bro, 5'5 vs 5'8 is a HUGE difference. They act like those 3 extra inches won't change someone's life?

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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2020, 01:36:34 AM »

It’s mostly genetic. But I guess a healthy and nutritious diet during childhood helps a lot.
My dad: 163cm
My mom: 160cm
Me (female): 155cm :(

My friend’s dad: 165cm
Her mom: 160cm
Her: 166cm !!!
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Re: What is the reason you are short
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2020, 09:25:56 AM »

If each person's health status and hormone values are normal, it is mostly genetic. However, diet and sleep patterns, sports, age in adolescence, depression affect sleep patterns, but yes, mostly genetic
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