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[Beemer m3]

i was lengthening around .75 to 1.2 mm a day. on my right leg it hurt to go alot so i just stayed 1mm or a little less. if u meant how much i lengthen . i lengthen 5.5 cm

its 4 months since frame removal and i have started working again. doing deliveries. getting out of the car and walking . going up and down stairs . just helping me with physical therapy rather then stay home n walk around. not making money. getting into a lot of debt lately so i need to work . i wear a zip up jacket so it can hide my gait walk. i kind of waddle when i walk. so far its been getting alot better. i bought a door hanger to hang my back. my main new excersice is having knee bent and having my shoulders on the side of a chair. like an L position and have 15- 25 pounds dumbbells on my hip and lift up and down. then do squats with 15 pds. feels like gait really improved after that.

just my left ankle is kind of bother me its stiff and doesnt let loose . i dont have ballerina or anything. 

my knees are stiff at times and i can walk it off. but its not 100% and will not be . as i need to warm it up most times.

i get bone pain sometimes at the site where i lengthen on my right leg. i put a knee brace over it so it have less pain i guess. holds it firm.

my new height is pretty amazing. im not short and im not tall. i can fit into shoes, sum with a small lift and buy nicer jeans with a wash. i walk in public and can fit in. but i do notice people are 5'10 average and up. saw some shorter guys that are alot shorter.  saw a few friends and i notice im taller already when they were taller than me before. some already tall friend seem like they are really tall now that i think of it. i dont think if taller friends would notice u grew lol since u were already shorter than them.

definitely different than vietnam where alot of guys were shorter and it was harder to gauge how tall people really were like the western world.

if i go precice max in the future i would go 6 cm - 6.5 cm so that would be like 11.5 cm total so my wingspan is not too out of it.
i can imagine walking out of surgery or a day or 2. doing pt and walking so getting up to strength real fast. but lenghtening for 2.5 months in the middle of no where kind of sucks.

[sxxa]

Hi beemer, I've recently contacted Dr. Doan customer service and they told me they are not performing Illizarov anymore, only LON. Any idea why? Thank you.

[Hldrive]

Hi beemer, I've recently contacted Dr. Doan customer service and they told me they are not performing Illizarov anymore, only LON. Any idea why? Thank you.

Maybe you can share the new pricing they have with LON?

[sxxa]

Maybe you can share the new pricing they have with LON?

Im gonna paste their response:

"We currently offer lengthening on the tibia using LON method. And with such method, our doctor usually advises to lengthen 6-8cm.

Here is the price plan for tibia lengthening using LON method:

STANDARD PACKAGE - OPERATION ONLY: US $15,000
Including surgeon fees, hospital fees, implant costs, nail+frame cost, analgesics, 8 nights in hospital after implantation, 2 nights in hospital after EF removal, hospital meal.

PREMIUM PACKAGE - OPERATION + ACCOMMODATION: US $15,000 +  $2,500/month accommodation
Including surgeon fees, hospital fees, implant costs, nail+frame cost, analgesics, 8 nights in hospital after implantation, 2 nights in hospital after EF removal, hospital meals + Accommodation and meals in one private room in a 2-bedroom apartment, 30 hours/month of physical therapy"

Cheers.

[Beemer m3]

i have no clue. maybe the doctor likes the lon method. perhaps its better at walking im not sure. whatever it is dont pass up on getting this surgery. if ur 165 cm i recommend it. brings out a newer self i guess. not that much pain. if u feel pain at 5.5 cm and ur not comfortable then u should stop. the pt guys recommend 6-8 cm but i had complication on my nerves and slight ballerina didnt want to put too much pressure. the guy next to my hospital bed did 5 cm didnt go pt with them. a few forum guys did 5 cm so yeh they will say ur the only person who did 5 cm should go more. oh well. i was gone for along time too and miss my home. the caretaker there wasnt the best. so yeh precice max is out so i have to think of some how to get money for that. still another chance at lengthening. im also not young where maybe u can gain the most . my nerves was hitting n yeh. i heard if u did precice 2.2 u wont have much nerve irritation.
i feel like those chinese guys that does leg lengthening in secret lol. u never know who does it and they're all tall now.

[Beemer m3]

jus want to share my experience today meeting with friends. we had a party today and we were in the house and i was barefoot notice my friends still taller than me. maybe by 1 or 2 inches. not by much still didnt accomplish my goal. i guess these guys were really tall from the beginning. im like 5'7 barefoot but my back slouches a bit n my friends are maybe 5'8 and 5'9. so if i get my 2nd surgery i will be 5'10 or 178cm . with a 6.5 cm gain. i guess i wont be 6 ft and tower over ppl but just live a normal life after my 2nd surgery.
there were few a friends that knew but i quickly dodged it. didnt want to let everyone know. its better to have it a secret like what i been hearing on the forums.

i need to save like 25k for a home to stay for 3 months and pay my car bills during the time. a couple months of food. withdraw like 75k from my accts.
i feel like my bones are fully consolidated while i was smoking marijuana concentrates. so i did the unthinkable lol.
plan to remove my nails next summer when things are hot. a little vacay. from there decide if i want to do it before summer or after summer for my 2nd surgery.

[jbfjbj4]

Stuff like this definitely makes me tempted to go back for a 2nd round myself. Started 171, now 180, could do a supposedly easy 5cm to get up to a near perfect height of 185. $15,000 is absolutely peanuts for this sort of thing.

Everyone there seemed pretty OK and happy? I live in Vietnam (although I'm not Vietnamese, and it's Saigon, not Hanoi) and have never had any issue with any medical stuff here although I've only ever needed to go for minor things.

[markr09]

dr doan in vietnam hanoi. cost was 25k for everything for 4 month stay. add like $60 per day or something like that.

Pretty reasonable. How much was your total cost including extra days/medical bills/PT/etc? How was your experience in the the hospital, was it clean and did you stay the whole 4 months as an in-patient or did you stay in another place? Did you also do PT there and did they provide one going to help you do PT for you?

I'm worried on the language barrier esp with the PT. The doctors should be competent enough to talk to though right?

i was lengthening around .75 to 1.2 mm a day. on my right leg it hurt to go alot so i just stayed 1mm or a little less. if u meant how much i lengthen . i lengthen 5.5 cm

its 4 months since frame removal and i have started working again. doing deliveries. getting out of the car and walking . going up and down stairs . just helping me with physical therapy rather then stay home n walk around. not making money. getting into a lot of debt lately so i need to work . i wear a zip up jacket so it can hide my gait walk. i kind of waddle when i walk. so far its been getting alot better. i bought a door hanger to hang my back. my main new excersice is having knee bent and having my shoulders on the side of a chair. like an L position and have 15- 25 pounds dumbbells on my hip and lift up and down. then do squats with 15 pds. feels like gait really improved after that.

just my left ankle is kind of bother me its stiff and doesnt let loose . i dont have ballerina or anything. 

my knees are stiff at times and i can walk it off. but its not 100% and will not be . as i need to warm it up most times.

i get bone pain sometimes at the site where i lengthen on my right leg. i put a knee brace over it so it have less pain i guess. holds it firm.

my new height is pretty amazing. im not short and im not tall. i can fit into shoes, sum with a small lift and buy nicer jeans with a wash. i walk in public and can fit in. but i do notice people are 5'10 average and up. saw some shorter guys that are alot shorter.  saw a few friends and i notice im taller already when they were taller than me before. some already tall friend seem like they are really tall now that i think of it. i dont think if taller friends would notice u grew lol since u were already shorter than them.

definitely different than vietnam where alot of guys were shorter and it was harder to gauge how tall people really were like the western world.

if i go precice max in the future i would go 6 cm - 6.5 cm so that would be like 11.5 cm total so my wingspan is not too out of it.
i can imagine walking out of surgery or a day or 2. doing pt and walking so getting up to strength real fast. but lenghtening for 2.5 months in the middle of no where kind of sucks.

Could you have done .75mm daily for soft tissue to catch up or was there a risk of premature union? I'm considering at a slower phase as much as possible once I do this primarily for the soft tissue.

Im gonna paste their response:

"We currently offer lengthening on the tibia using LON method. And with such method, our doctor usually advises to lengthen 6-8cm.

Here is the price plan for tibia lengthening using LON method:

STANDARD PACKAGE - OPERATION ONLY: US $15,000
Including surgeon fees, hospital fees, implant costs, nail+frame cost, analgesics, 8 nights in hospital after implantation, 2 nights in hospital after EF removal, hospital meal.

PREMIUM PACKAGE - OPERATION + ACCOMMODATION: US $15,000 +  $2,500/month accommodation
Including surgeon fees, hospital fees, implant costs, nail+frame cost, analgesics, 8 nights in hospital after implantation, 2 nights in hospital after EF removal, hospital meals + Accommodation and meals in one private room in a 2-bedroom apartment, 30 hours/month of physical therapy"

Cheers.

So they only do LON for now huh. I don't plan on tibias myself atm since I already have long tibias and it'll look weird af to have tibias longer than femurs, but this may be a good option if I consider double bilateral in the future. What hospital is this btw, I want to look it up for myself.

[Beemer m3]

the hospital was pretty good. everything is detailed and organize. i stayed an extra day because they had mainly grl staff and they were nice. u get released from the hospital after a week and stay at an apartment complex. its high end. i dont think my doctor do femur lon . he only specializes in tibia lengthening. u can go for .75 mm . i did 2 months lengthening and 40 days recovery. no extra cost besides taxi and a little food because i couldnt eat some of the food at times. they had a Canadian guy at the time did like 8cm on his tibias. using google translate most times. it gets boring if u cant speak to them lol. he stayed like 5 to 6 months i think he wasnt in a rush. as i was rushing because i missed america at times lol and i couldnt pay some bills with the text verification things. oh well im going back for nail removal and it cost like 3k .

[markr09]

the hospital was pretty good. everything is detailed and organize. i stayed an extra day because they had mainly grl staff and they were nice. u get released from the hospital after a week and stay at an apartment complex. its high end. i dont think my doctor do femur lon . he only specializes in tibia lengthening. u can go for .75 mm . i did 2 months lengthening and 40 days recovery. no extra cost besides taxi and a little food because i couldnt eat some of the food at times. they had a Canadian guy at the time did like 8cm on his tibias. using google translate most times. it gets boring if u cant speak to them lol. he stayed like 5 to 6 months i think he wasnt in a rush. as i was rushing because i missed america at times lol and i couldnt pay some bills with the text verification things. oh well im going back for nail removal and it cost like 3k .

Thanks for the reply. Can you give me the name of the hospital you had your surgery? I also wouldn't mind staying longer personally.

[Beemer m3]

i think the hospital name was bac ha hospital. its been awhile i need to search it up.

[ekero]

Hey thanks for sharing your experince.
I have also seriously started to consider this option with Dr Doan  in Vietnam. I have talked to him about standard package and then finding accomodation myself. He says there is no problem to get nurses and pt to visit me if i live close by. So i think this will save my alot of money since they living and renting costs are so low.

I want to increase 5.5cm so that means 55 day + 2 months recovery. Does that sound enough? You see, i work in a food market so its not super physically demanding but still i need to be active with my legs back adn forth. I hope 2 months is good, otherwise i´ll add one more month

[ekero]

i think the hospital name was bac ha hospital. its been awhile i need to search it up.

I should have quoted you on the message above but forgot

[Beemer m3]

Hey thanks for sharing your experince.
I have also seriously started to consider this option with Dr Doan  in Vietnam. I have talked to him about standard package and then finding accomodation myself. He says there is no problem to get nurses and pt to visit me if i live close by. So i think this will save my alot of money since they living and renting costs are so low.

I want to increase 5.5cm so that means 55 day + 2 months recovery. Does that sound enough? You see, i work in a food market so its not super physically demanding but still i need to be active with my legs back adn forth. I hope 2 months is good, otherwise i´ll add one more month

are u living in vn? i was a foreigner so i didnt know much. they wash ur clothes for u. bring food to u. take u to take xray with grab taxi. u have to go back n forth in a car. sometimes its demanding. u can ask grab to get food for u too. but have to meet them outside. i felt 2 months of recovery was ok. but 3.5 months and i was ready to work. walking wobbly but yeh. 2 months u wound still be on crutches if u plan to work like 8 hrs a day. i mean 2 month of recovery people do it because they were young. im not that young.

as for my legs i can do a full squat. i feel my knee buckling but if i have a knee brace it would help. i hope it goes away over time.  when im lifting one leg up the air i cant do a 90 degree. its pretty bent when i lift my leg. no clue how i can fix that. its like 35 degrees from being straight. i probably need more elasticity in my knees.
morning leg stiffness still exist. my left foot still needs to be stretched out . but im not tip toeing. 5.5 months now.
i can feel the burn on my foot when im stepping down stairs. like its not fully stretched. maybe like 4 months it will be fully stretched and i can run down stairs. running i cant do that yet.

[ekero]

are u living in vn? i was a foreigner so i didnt know much. they wash ur clothes for u. bring food to u. take u to take xray with grab taxi. u have to go back n forth in a car. sometimes its demanding. u can ask grab to get food for u too. but have to meet them outside. i felt 2 months of recovery was ok. but 3.5 months and i was ready to work. walking wobbly but yeh. 2 months u wound still be on crutches if u plan to work like 8 hrs a day. i mean 2 month of recovery people do it because they were young. im not that young.

I live in Sweden bro. Im 169 looking for 5.5cm. Im willing to spend as much time needed so i dont come back with a visible walk/pain that will hinder me from working and also avoiding suspicion from people lol.  Ok, So you are saying its taxing to go in and out your home for different services? Well i would rather do the extra effort than to pay 2500$/month for their hospital Accomod. which i think is a ridicilous overprice especially considering how long i intent to stay. Im not rich trust me. Did the nurses come to your own apartment or did u have to go to hospital? Did you also have girl companion or something like this?

Im gonna be around 36 years old when i do this surgery so im no spring chicken either lol. Ive seen people 40+ doing this so im not that worried, but i understand its gonna be taxing. Ok so 3,5 month in total and you could walk normal (with little wobble)? That not too bad, so we are talking lengtheningphase + 3,5 month or is it 3,5 total?

as for my legs i can do a full squat. i feel my knee buckling but if i have a knee brace it would help. i hope it goes away over time.  when im lifting one leg up the air i cant do a 90 degree. its pretty bent when i lift my leg. no clue how i can fix that. its like 35 degrees from being straight. i probably need more elasticity in my knees.
morning leg stiffness still exist. my left foot still needs to be stretched out . but im not tip toeing. 5.5 months now.
i can feel the burn on my foot when im stepping down stairs. like its not fully stretched. maybe like 4 months it will be fully stretched and i can run down stairs. running i cant do that yet.

Its very interesting what you say about your current status. How much PT you do now? Howw much walking? Could you share videos please? It would be very helpful thank you!

[Beemer m3]

It was lengthening phase + 3.5 months. I was at the apartments they had. The caretaker lives across the building walks by n does her stuff. The pin cleaner and pt comes by every other day by moped. I went to the hospital like once a month to take xrays that's a out It. They bring u breakfast lunch n dinner if ur thinking of staying there. I'm not sure if there willing to travel to u. The caretakers but the pt guys will cus there mobile.
I don't do much pt now. I'm just walking everyday at work like 0.8 miles everyday. My work is my pt cus I walk up stairs n move all over the place. So yeh I recommend it at 169 cm. Life changes . The doctor does alot of home patients daily. Patients that goes home n don't need accommodation but uses pt on side.

[ekero]

It was lengthening phase + 3.5 months. I was at the apartments they had. The caretaker lives across the building walks by n does her stuff. The pin cleaner and pt comes by every other day by moped. I went to the hospital like once a month to take xrays that's a out It. They bring u breakfast lunch n dinner if ur thinking of staying there. I'm not sure if there willing to travel to u. The caretakers but the pt guys will cus there mobile.
I don't do much pt now. I'm just walking everyday at work like 0.8 miles everyday. My work is my pt cus I walk up stairs n move all over the place. So yeh I recommend it at 169 cm. Life changes . The doctor does alot of home patients daily. Patients that goes home n don't need accommodation but uses pt on side.

Bro this sounds amazing. I have to check only if he can make so the caretaker can come to my place, because how else can i change bandage and clean the pins? So maybe ill have to pay extra for home visit which is ok for me since i dont think it will be that expensive hopefully.

So u where there for about 5.5 months och so 1 month/cm lol. Not too bad. Do u wish u stayed there longer? Maybe 6 months?

I work in foodmarket so i will move all day and sometimes maybe lift some thing that might be medium heavy but that is rare. I work out in gym about 3 times/week and do heavy lifting especially on squats and deadlift. Do u workout since operation?

Man i look so much forward for it. I just need to save up aproximately 200k... and then my life will change i think. My legs are too short lol and its a missing link because im quite successful now but it kinda ruins the whole package when u walk around like a oompa loompa short legged freak! Its like people subconciously dont buy your confidence and they dont take u as a authority, especially when they are taller than u  LOL.

Do u have any video u can share bro? Like walking/running? thanks alot!

[Beemer m3]

i stayed in vietnam for 3 months and went back to the states after and train after that. the grl can go change ur pins n stuff cus shes  mobile but the care taker is different. they do food runs and clean ur clothes. i wish i had stayed longer because it was cheap to eat over there. i had alot of bills i needed to pay that i couldnt pay overseas because my fone needed to verify by text. i couldnt do that. u also need a visa for a 6 month stay. i also miss my home. sometimes it was just too boring.
i dont have any videos. just writing a story not a youtber or anything. my leg looks alot longer than before which is a plus. i watch alot of nba players leg and there really long sometimes i want that lol. but 5.5 cm is enough growth. because i couldnt take the pain at the time.

[lucindaris]

Was it a single room? Is it possible ot sit at the desk for 3-4 hours and do some basic works from this facility?

[simplemachine_yeah]

What do you mean by friends that knew? Like they knew you had surgery or you just grew taller?

[Beemer m3]

i told one of my friend that told one friend. then my family have relatives that told my other friends so it goes in a circle. my friend tried to let everyone know but i quickly dodged it. ill soon let them see my height now slowly because i rarely hang out cus of work and then i will get another 2 inches and they will figure out for sure.

i had a master bed room there was another room that has a shared bed that rarely gets shared just a single person there. theres a bed outside in the living room. theres like 4 or 6 of these apartment rooms so yeh its shared. near vinfast reception building. so when u practice walking u will see all these people working at that building. looks like a tesla sales building but in vietnam lol.
sometimes they may put u with these ppl that want to fix their bowl legs no frames. different surgery but it will be fine. i got a grl roommate n she was hot.  she went to fix her bowl legs. also had another roommate.

i recommend this surgery. save up 25k as fast as possible . get ur 6 month stay visa and do the surgery. save 3 months of ur time. might be harder if u were speaking english but yeh it will do. hard as in speaking to the hospital workers during surgery or speaking while ur doing pt for an hr or 2. maybe google translate but during surgery u cant use ur fone its put away.

[Beemer m3]

for some reason my leg didnt turn out as straight as possible. on my left leg is kind of curvy. i remember something had happen to the turning points. i had 3 n 1 of them was problematic. maybe thats why my leg looks kind of curvy a bit. i mean bones are straight and matches. but my right leg is straight n left leg is kind if curvy like from the muscle or something. i should take a picture soon.

i have no bowl legs or anything when i wear jeans its even straighter than before. but the muscles or something looks curvy from the right leg.

https://imgur.com/a/hmiBHgW

might need a better picture

[ekero]

for some reason my leg didnt turn out as straight as possible. on my left leg is kind of curvy. i remember something had happen to the turning points. i had 3 n 1 of them was problematic. maybe thats why my leg looks kind of curvy a bit. i mean bones are straight and matches. but my right leg is straight n left leg is kind if curvy like from the muscle or something. i should take a picture soon.

i have no bowl legs or anything when i wear jeans its even straighter than before. but the muscles or something looks curvy from the right leg.

https://imgur.com/a/hmiBHgW

might need a better picture

interesting development. Have you talked to your Dr about it? Whats his opinion?

Anyways thanks for sharing photo. How is your walk now? Fully normal? Also did you see this guy warning everybody not to ever lenthen tibias because of the overwhelming pain? Is the pain that bad really. Im pretty tough mentally i can handle most pains.

Im on my way to save up for 23k . Im maybe halfway there, i just hope Dr Dao doesnt retire when i have all the cash saved up lol. I really dont want to go to india 

[Beemer m3]

yeah i saw his post but dont think about it really. just do the surgery . first month get through it. happy days are here. after the next month just watch ur pain level . gets dull and boring just relax. it gets difficult but u cant stop now ur getting taller. try to aim for 5 cm+ . dont go below its not that noticeable if u want tall gains. i mean 2 inches is awesome for someone that wont ever grow again cus ur bones are closed. less than that something to think about.
i can walk normally i just need to be warmed up. when i stand up after relaxing for too long i sort of limp. after like 2 or 3 steps my legs feels stretched out then i can start walking normal again.
its like an old man getting his ability to walk again. ur not explosive like u are now. where u can stand and walk instantly.
at night time my knees feel like it needs to be stretched out . i think its the cold air makes the nail harder to move around or something.

i havent contacted the doctor lately. im far away from him. too bad i dont have any before and after pics on my legs. so im not sure if my legs looked like that from before

[Beemer m3]

so its about 8 months since my bone consolidation. im walking mostly normal. sometimes i lose balance just standing. i feel my bone growing but havent taken a x ray. i been drinking n partying like the good old days. not worrying about anything anymore like trying to grow height. im old anyways. i can run down stairs but with a weird gait. when i stand right after sitting in my car i have this weird stance but it goes away quickly. when im running down stairs i feel sore muscles in my shin. i think i just need to do it alot. i cant jump because the nail hits my knees. i can put my hands on a bed and jump so i can practice that so i get used to the feeling. my calf muscle has balloon in size like the old days. doesnt look like long tibias anymore. oh well. my scars is still there. all the pin scars is visible like i did surgery. my foot still have nerve damage when i scratch the top foot. i can feel some pain like numbness pain.
im trying to clear debt but the debt keeps coming. i plan to do another surgery in janurary februray but my debt keeps raising. i only got like 6 months left to pay it off with 0% APR. i will get another credit card for 1 year with 0% APR when i do my femur precice max in las vegas. right now my investment have gone down alot over 30k so i hope it goes up again. or ima be 5'8 ish for a while lol.
im getting stronger and can lift cases of water at my work. not afraid to take offers at work now. ill be like 5'11 to 5'10 or so with short arms and short torso but it would be worth it.
its like a new paradigm being short to mid height then the next height average/ looking good.

taller than most my friends now with shoes something i gotta get used to.

[Dash]

Bro read your diary it 's inspire other. Bro did you loose body weight during lengthening phase?

[Johnjohn2024]

Hello. Very nice post. 

[Beemer m3]

my calf muscle was skinnier for sure. i was taking alot of protein so i didnt lose much weight. now my calf muscle looks big maybe i been walking alot like daily. lately the price of crypto has been dropping . i probably need to save up even more money to do my 2nd surgery. i've lost so much this past week. i need to find another way to do this surgery. i just want to do it asap because i feel great after my first surgery. but after my 2nd surgery alot of my friends will notice and ask questions. so far im taller than alot of my friends and they havent question me much. i dont really want to talk about it . i guess when the time comes ill have to confess about it but really i went through alot, 2 surgeries so far, a device on my legs and everything haha.
ive gained alot of debt and plus another 80k surgery lol ill be a slave for awhile.

[ravh]

You said you had ballerina foot at one point. Did it go away by itself over time?

[Beemer m3]

i did get ballerina feet on both sides. i had a PT guy who helped me and every week after frame removal it would go down 1 cm every 1.5 weeks. it was a workout routine everyday. after i was able to walk without crutches like 2.5 months after frame removal i jus wear slippers and walk around it helps alot. putting weight on my feet. i couldnt go bare foot as its alot of stress. im still walking with slippers. i do feel the tendon on my feet needs to get stretched out everyday.

recently at work i almost got bit by a small dog. i dodged it with my bag. cant imagine the dog biting my leg as i still have nails in my legs.

lately been wearing air max shoes and it boost my confidence alot but in reality without it im still short. i need more gains in my femurs but its just a process of waiting for the right time. when i did my tibias i cashed out my crypto too soon and would have alot of gains if i cashed out later but i wouldnt be like this now which is healing.

[ekero]

Im still following up this thread from time to time so please keep updating!