Limb Lengthening Forum

There's no "easy" CLL procedure.  I went into the journey knowing it was gonna suck and be hard.  That being said, there were no surprises.  Lots of sleepless nights, loss of appetite, painful PT, immobility...but I knew all that was coming and went in mentally prepared to encounter all those.  Hang in there and just don't overlengthen and you'll be fine.   

Thank you everyone guys for the honest answers. Your honestly is far from obvious.
I really appreciate you're being able to come out and speak frankly about the implications of the decision to lengthen.

I is still hard through to exactly grasp the meaning of the outcome it brings before you actually do the surgery.
I kind of only imagine myself a bit slower and bit weaker, but I honestly don't know if I imagine it "as I should have" when trying to guess how it might feel afterwards (in order to decide if it should be right decision for me, and it's a tough one).

I should say that I was never on a competition level to begin with, and since most people who don't do aggressive sports (without complications) claim they just got back to their daily lives, can jog a bit and continue lifting weights at the gym,
so it's really difficult for me to understand to what level surgery could negatively impact me in way that potentially would bother me.

Thanks!
Removed stitches the day before yesterday. Healing ok, but scars gonna take long to fade. Here are some pics I just took

It's been a month, how are you doing? Are you able to walk?

dominikochal:

WTF man, you think that if a man is not 6'1 or 6'2 he is miserable with women? Where do you live? I know that women prefer tall guys but you paint such a picture as if you don't reach 6'1 with double LL, it's not worth it but it's not true. That guy who got crippled at Yuksel Yurttas probably also thought that way and that's why he did LL at 5'11 and wanted to reach 6'1. He probably thinks the same way and attributed his lack of success with women to his height (at least partially, but in reality height was not his issue at all).

You and others who think that way sound very delusional and think that all the men around the globe who fall between 5'7-5'11 struggle with women and only 6'1 and taller guys have no issues with them. I see many 5'7, 5'8 and 5'9 men in the streets with all kinds of women imaginable (short, tall, skinnny, curvy, blonde, brunette, etc.).

Imagine Jason Statham without fame and money, do you think he would struggle with women at his height of 5'8-5'9?

Now, below 5'7 is legit handicap for majority of men, no matter how good looking and athletic he might be. IMO strong 5'8 is enough for good looking and fit men in order not to be handicapped in dating. More is better but I prefer not to exceed 9 cm in total and settle at 174 cm rather than become crippled and reach 178-180 cm.

Now, you might say that Jason Statham would be jerking off in his home if he wouldn't be famous and reach because he's not 6'1 and hovers over 5'8. That's up to you to believe that. I see many men around Jason's height who look very masculine and well groomed & dressed who don't give a fk about being average height because they got other attributes of manliness that attract women and they know it.

If I was at least strong 5'8 I would never consider this surgery (even for one segment), but at 5'5 things are really hard and I'm going to gain at least 9 cm in two surgeries. I'm not willing to lengthen my femurs for 8-9 cm due to proportions and biomechanics, that's why I'm splitting that amount in two segments in two surgeries.

I bet that if a man at 5'8-5'9 range is unable to attract women, he won't be able to attract them at any height above it.

none of those image links for xrays work.

Growth plates may not be fused. Wait a few more years.

I'm going to do both segments, preferably in a ratio of 56:44 in favor of femur. I don't want to exceed safe limits but also want to increase each segment to its maximum safest limit. I'm going to start with femurs and after about 6 months (when the bones will be at least 75% healed) do tibia in order to save time and move on (I prefer to dedicate 2 years of my lifetime consecutively rather than going back for another segment after many years).

I'm not an athlete but recovery is very important to me. Of course I'm not expecting 100% recovery but I want to recover as efficiently as possible and am willing to sacrifice a couple of centimeters from both segments. In terms of recovery, I want to be able to jog, swim, do leg workouts without muscle problems and walk normally.

Starting height is strong 5'5 and starting lengths of tibia and femur are 34-35 cm and 43-44 cm, respectively.

I'm not going to exceed 15% of starting bone lengths so no more than 6.5 cm on femurs and no more than 5 cm on tibia. Although I'm okay with 5 cm femur and 4 cm tibia if the recovery will be significantly better compared to 6.5 cm on femurs and 5 cm on tibia.

By the way, I'm going to risk with LON femurs, there's no other option for me in foreseeable future and doing just 4 cm tibia is pointless in terms of height gain and I'm not willing to overlengthen my tibia for 6-7 cm for meaningful height gain in one surgery.

One of the Russian doctors mentioned in a video that joint and muscle contractures (especially at knees) happen after about 5.5-6.0 cm with LON femur. Due to that reason he says that he recommends splitting the lengthening in 2 phases if one wishes to lengthen more than 6 cm in their femurs. And Kulesh explicitly recommends maximum 4 cm on tibia due to achilles tendon issues after that amount.

Considering the abovementioned opinions of doctors and patient diaries, do you think that stopping at 5-5.5 cm on femurs and at 4-.4.5 cm in tibia worth it in terms of better recover? How do these numbers compare to 8 cm femur and 6 cm tibia recoveries (which seems to be the maximum safe limits according to western doctors)?

I understand that i will not proportions but gain is more.

The best height is 6.1 and 6.2.

Find video in YT when girls rejected short guys.
We do only for womans.

This is true.  It's been almost 5 years.  100% will not return for me.  He's right, you can choose one.  You will not have both.

Not at all, genetics play a lot of factor, but there are also environmental aspects. Fwiw, I'm literally taller than the rest of my immediate family. And I have this cousin who's my same height with a dad who's atleast 5'11. Nutrition played a role since was kind of a rather picky eater and slim kid during his younger years, even though his parents did try feeding him more meat. Boy is that regret right there.

In anycase, depending where you are, 5'5 to 5'6 might be fine. Personally where I am from, I'm fine with a lot of women at 5'6ish+~5'7 but since I'm looking at overseas and living there, it's definitely considered short but it's still a far better height than 5'3.

For 5'6 to 6', there are a lot of people, but it's generally done in quad LL. Even then, a lot of those successful ones are more of an exception than the norm, since you're looking at around 15cm of lengthening at minimum, which is arguably above the recommended limit of both pairs of segments. If done correctly, it's possible, but there are a lot of diaries which have had issues.

Also people here didn't mention nor seem to know but it's actually much less safe for a shorter guy to lengthen that extreme compared to someone who's already tall due to bone length percentage. So this is something you should consider given your current height.

Imo, just go max 8cm with femurs, atleast if your proportions seem fit with it.

Where are you originally from dude?