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 on: Today at 12:29:11 PM 
Started by karlston - Last post by karlston
End of distraction update

Height increase: 57mm L / 60mm R

Days since operation: +67

Final height: 178cm


It has been a long time since the last update. I went back to work, which has taken a lot of my time.

I’m happy to say that I’ve finished lengthening, successfully reaching the upper limit of my goal (6cm), while also correcting a minor discrepancy between femurs. While the process has been challenging, I’m lucky to not have had any complications, and still retained a good amount of muscle.

Clicking
At the time of my last update, I was struggling significantly with clicks. It did get easier (5/10 stress) after I took a break day and reduced the distraction rate to 0.8mm (12 clicks).

However, around 5 weeks post-op I had a friend over and decided to go to the beach for a few hours. The extra strain on my muscles from that day caused another ~10 days of stressful clicks (8/10 stress).

I would strongly recommend taking it easy with your muscles during the distraction phase, especially if you have significant muscle mass around the femur. The biggest mistake I’ve made during the process was going too hard too soon.

A few other things that helped with clicking:
  • Taking a warm shower or using a warm compress before clicking
  • Raising your foot progressively as you gain more length. I progressed from 1 pillow -> 2 pillows (@20mm) -> 3 pillows (@45mm)
  • Not rushing the clicks, taking as much time as needed and stretching into it. If you put too much force, not only will it cause more pain, but it will condition your brain to be more stressed for the next clicking session.
  • Putting on something distracting that you enjoy while you click. My drug of choice was binging Haikyuu.
  • For the worst days, CBD helped. However, the Dr. said there is a study linking CBD to slower consolidation.
  • Reducing the rate to 12 clicks.

Moving to Airbnb
After just under a month of staying at the hotel I moved to an Airbnb. It was definitely the right decision, as I had more space and independence. I felt more like a functioning adult and less of a vegetable.

I still strongly recommend staying in an accessible room of a hotel for at least the first 3 weeks. You will have a very hard time showering or going to the bathroom otherwise.

Things to look for or ask the owner when getting an Airbnb in Athens:
  • Make sure it’s on the ground floor. Very few buildings have a lift.
  • The shower box must be big enough to fit a showering seat.
  • It’s best to find an Airbnb near the Physical Therapy center, as you’ll be going there 4 times a week. I made the mistake of getting a farther out Airbnb and was spending 50m a day uncomfortable in a car.
  • Check that there are no or very few steps to access the place.
  • You can negotiate a cheaper price for a long-term stay by directly contacting the owner. I got ~30% off.

Lengthening
I’ve decided to stop at the upper limit of my goal: 5.7cm on my left (shorter) leg, and 6cm on my right. This corrects a discrepancy, puts me at slightly above average (178cm), and hopefully allows me to get back to physical activity at a similar level as before.



Beyond 4.5cm, muscle tightness got pretty bad. I would need to wake up and stretch ~3 times during the night to get back to sleep. It was also hard to sit down and work for more than 1 hour at a time without having to stretch. The PT sessions became increasingly painful, especially the quads and glutes stretches. I would recommend doubling down on quads and glutes stretches before you do the surgery.

At the end of distraction, the tightness has slightly decreased every day. Although I don’t have the same mobility yet, it feels really good to have positive progress rather than negative.

Mobility
At the Airbnb I was walking with crutches most of the time, only using my chair to move large things or working.

At the physio, I was walking for 15 minutes with 50-40% support at ~1.6km/hr (slow, I know). My walk looked very natural.

Now after distraction I’ve been taking a few unassisted steps every day. My walk is looking pretty good, although slow. The doctor was (I think purposely) ambiguous if I could or couldn’t take unassisted steps, but I will continue to progressively walk more every day. I might upload a video later.

Sleep
Sleep has gotten better at around ~4 weeks post op. I was able to consistently get 5-6 hours of sleep. Then it has gradually improved, especially recently that I can comfortably sleep on my side.

Work
I went back to work part-time +33 days post-op, then full-time 2 weeks later. It was challenging to work while keeping up with the PT and clicking routine. I would say I was around a ~70% level of productivity as before. Though before the operation I would normally put in 55-60 hrs/week at work.

Trip back
The trip back was a bit taxing, but manageable. Dr. G’s driver took me to the airport, where they had a special assistance person assigned to me. They wheeled me around, going through priority queues (felt like a VIP), until the flight was ready. Since the plane was parked outside, they put me on a lift to get on the aircraft, before the other passengers boarded.

I had some pain in my leg from sitting down for too long, but I stood up and stretched my legs 3 times during the 3hr flight which helped.

Height and perception
I’ve started noticing a big difference from 3cm onwards. The nurses and PT staff were noticeably shorter at every 1 cm increment. At around ~177cm, I stopped having the feeling I used to have around men taller than me of being subtly inferior. I felt more on “equal footing”. Also, a significant number of women started looking “petite” to me, when before that was rare.

At the airport on my way back, I was within a crowd for the first time. I definitely felt more confident and masculine than before.

I met my dad again recently who is ~174cm. The difference in cm is small, but the perception is wildly different and noticeable. I’m very skeptical that you can hide this change from your closest friends and family, unless you’re already very tall.

Overall, so far I feel like I got exactly what I did this for. However, it’s early days, so it’s possible that the effect can wear off over time. I’ll keep you guys posted.

Consolidation
I expect the consolidation phase to take another 3 months. I’ve been given strengthening exercises mostly for the glutes, and have been recommended to continue the stretching routine. As mentioned above I will gradually resume walking.

For supplementation I will continue on Vit D, Calcium, Milk, and Whey protein and will start taking L-arginine for the blood flow.

BJR team
I am happy with the experience and support from the BJR team. The head nurse (V), head PT (H) and the PT assigned to me at the center (N) were standouts.

Dr. G. seemed to be a capable surgeon. My alignment, consolidation so far and scarring are great. All the other patients I’ve met had overall successful journeys. The complications that happened were few, but well managed by the team.

My only complaints are:
  • Responsiveness via Whatsapp: Dr. G. ignored some of my non-urgent messages or replied days later. I’ve heard from other patients that it gets worse after you leave Athens.
  • Difficulty clicking is somewhat normalized. Don’t get me wrong – the nurse/PT are available to help with clicking if you ask. And if you’re having a hard time they will prescribe you anti-inflammatories which help a bit. But Dr. G seems to consider 5/10 stress when clicking twice a day “normal”. Clicking is by far the most difficult part of the process (confirmed by every patient I met there), and I would suggest that the team invests more to make it easier. For example clearer instructions on what to avoid to not make it harder, specialized pillows, help with clicking daily in the Physio center.

From my own experience and from reading other diaries, I really do believe Dr. G. is the best value surgeon. While the amenities are not “premium” (Hospital, PT center), they are good enough, and the people were great. I would not consider going for a cheaper surgeon in Europe, and I would try to understand if I’m getting much more from an expensive surgeon to be worth the cost.



Damn my friend looks like a tough couple of weeks! Really hope your stress levels decrease going forwards and clicking pain starts to abate. Keep it up looks like you're follow up went really well.
Thanks mate! At the time when you don't know if you'll be able to endure clicking, things get pretty hard and you think about quitting. But it worked out in the end. In retrospect I should've taken more breaks from clicking during that time, and slowed down the process.

Your experience with clicking the G-Nail is EXACTLY what happened to me.

Clicking the right leg was very difficult after 2cm and it wasted me hours every day and became a torture.

Seems like there are people that this doesn't happen to them, but for me this was exactly the experience. You can check my diary.

I hope it will become easier for you somehow.

Thanks for the wishes! I wonder why they don't make a mirrored version of the nail so you can get a soft click first on the right leg. Feels like an oversight.

Why did the PT team stop visiting you? Shouldn't visit you r times a week? Do you pay for PT? Are you able to do PT by yourself?

There are two teams (1) Dr. G. has a nurse and PT person (2) There is an associated PT center with about ~5 staff. Both were included in the original price.

Dr. G's team visited me twice a day for the first week to make sure I was ok post-surgery and teach me how to click. After that they would visit once a week or when I asked.

I would go to the PT center 4 times a week during the whole process.

You can do stretches at home, but it's not the same as having someone else push you. Also at PT you get to use the anti-gravity treadmill and 3 machines: shock therapy, pressure therapy, and cold therapy. I would definitely recommend doing PT at a center during the distraction phase.

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 on: Today at 12:26:25 PM 
Started by AnotherLLer - Last post by AnotherLLer
Man, just revisited RGKEY's diary and I'm concerned about bone bending with pure external frames. With LATN they insert the nail and fix the bones in correct positions so at least you know that you won't get misalignment after they remove the frames from your legs.

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 on: Today at 12:12:05 PM 
Started by AnotherLLer - Last post by Body Builder
40-45 days per cm from surgery day till frame removal. So 220 to 250 days for 5.5cm.

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 on: Today at 12:09:29 PM 
Started by limby101 - Last post by Body Builder
External tibias is the less painful method by far.

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 on: Today at 11:55:05 AM 
Started by shi - Last post by shi
Welcome May and June with our incredible discount on leg lengthening procedures! Now just 50 million KRW , covering all surgical and service fees:

Tibia LON surgery
Three months of hospital stay (including three meals a day)
Rehabilitation costs for three months
Almost all related expenses included!
Note: This promotion is valid only for surgeries performed in May and June.

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 on: Today at 09:58:54 AM 
Started by limby101 - Last post by _dearStranger


LON Tibia > Precise Femur > Precise Tibia

is what dr lee says.

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 on: Today at 09:38:23 AM 
Started by Bob - Last post by Beemer m3
bone grafting, slicing a piece from the hip to put in ur tibias. seem like a 3k-5k cost for the surgery and Anesthesia cost.
its always recommended to walk after lengthening. i dont think its a major surgery but only u will think that because ur bones arent growing back.
its a probably an easy technique as a qualified doctor will tell u he knows what hes doing. if he cant tell u what hes doing in the procedure u might just skip that doctor. or  hes being rude and stuff.
but to be honest i havent heard much about bone grafting and people with that complication. maybe get good nutrition is all i recommend.

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 on: Today at 09:24:58 AM 
Started by quika34 - Last post by Beemer m3
Hello mate, i can understand you very good. I am around 158cm in height and can understand what you are going through. Right now I have my surgery planned for july 24 with Becker in Germany. With betzbone you can lenghten up to 12cm. You have to know that you Most likely wont get as athletic as before when you lenghten 12cm on your Upper legs but at 158cm i just think f*ck it. 170 is the goal.

I researched a lot and at the beginning wanted to do it in turkey. 1 month before surgery I just wasnt sure about if it is Safe there. Safety and the 12cm Limit got me convinced to do it in germany. And i also live in Germany so win win. We can keep in Touch if you want. I am planning on doing a diary on july. I think or expecr that from 160 to 170 is a hige difference. Because now you are just Short not extremely Short. And Like there will be Girls that are shorter than you. You can be the bigger one in the relationship and protect yourself and your surroundings. People will see you as as a grown man.

People will say that the things i mentioned are just in your head and its all *Mindset*. It surely is until one point. But it isnt mindset if you are 160. at 160 its just facts.

bro i recommend u do ur research first before doing 12cm. i;ve heard of people doing 9cm on femurs with monorails and another 5 cm on tibias. that would sound good. the guy grew to 176cm from livelifetaller. so he was 162 cm.
yeh two surgeries would be recommended before thinking of doing 12 cm in one segment.
the guy wore a sweater had a short torso but looks pretty good with long legs haha.

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 on: Today at 07:37:32 AM 
Started by Bob - Last post by limby101
Hey.
Are you sure u need a bone graft?
Maybe it is a delayed union and you just need more time?
Tibia heals slow.
How much did you lengthened and in what method?
I'm not sure about the cost but since it maybe considered a medical issue perhaps you can get it covered with insurance..

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 on: Today at 07:13:48 AM 
Started by quika34 - Last post by Ted68
Yes, man, you live a drama... so the only way is a quad surgery, which helps you to gain 12-13 cm. The result - 1.72 - is not in the tall men league at all (because I was 1.72 and I know)... but will change your life to MUCH better !
Start with femur, because you can get 8 cm, and then with tibia !
The money is a big problem. Me, for example, I would never have done external technique like LON, Illizarov, etc. and NO WAY to accept clicking nails like Betzbone or G-nail.
So, I dreamed and I was waiting to have money for Precice... otherwise I would have remained short. I don't accept extra suffering and risks only because I am poor and stupid-desperate !
But, of course, most of the guys here are 20-30 years younger than me... so no money at this age usually... so they have no choice.
Overall, man, if you don't do the Quad surgery, you will be forever unhappy and frustrated... so its a must !

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