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IwannaBeTaller

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The case of growth hormones
« on: December 07, 2016, 10:46:42 AM »

What's your opinion on giving boys with normal, albeit short final height, human growth hormone?

Personally, as with surely everyone in this forum, I wish I had been given HGH during my teenage years, to reach a higher final height and be more satisfied with my height, since I'm absolutely not satisfied with my current height. However, should children who are at a normal, shorter height be presented with this option, even if they are not unhappy with their height? My opinion is that HGH can never solve the problem of height neurosis and the inequality of male heights on a societal level, no matter how much of it we could distribute to kids. Even if we could administer HGH to every boy who is projected to reach less than 170 cm as final height, as a result, the average height would rise and now 170 cm kids would suffer from height neurosis more. If we would administer it to every boy with a final height of less than 175 cm, the 175 cm kids would feel more short and develop height neurosis, and so on and so forth. And even with HGH, some would not reach those heights. A boy with the genetic potential of 165 cm might never reach 175 cm, even with HGH and optimal nutrition.

So in conclusion, HGH can only help boys on an individual, specific level, and even then it's only "passing on the suffering to someone else", since other kids/men will feel short as a result. A society can impossibly solve the problem of men suffering from height neurosis with HGH, even if it would be successfully given to all kids. The only solution of solving height neurosis is psychological help, surgery (again, only on an individual level) or a way to restart human growth after the growth plates fuse, such as with stem cells, artificial growth plates, and other futuristic solutions. Another important aspect for society is to value and cherish shorter men more, since height variation is a natural thing and mo matter how tall people are, there will always be shorter men and women.

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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 02:08:04 PM »

What's your opinion on giving boys with normal, albeit short final height, human growth hormone?

Personally, as with surely everyone in this forum, I wish I had been given HGH during my teenage years, to reach a higher final height and be more satisfied with my height, since I'm absolutely not satisfied with my current height. However, should children who are at a normal, shorter height be presented with this option, even if they are not unhappy with their height? My opinion is that HGH can never solve the problem of height neurosis and the inequality of male heights on a societal level, no matter how much of it we could distribute to kids. Even if we could administer HGH to every boy who is projected to reach less than 170 cm as final height, as a result, the average height would rise and now 170 cm kids would suffer from height neurosis more. If we would administer it to every boy with a final height of less than 175 cm, the 175 cm kids would feel more short and develop height neurosis, and so on and so forth. And even with HGH, some would not reach those heights. A boy with the genetic potential of 165 cm might never reach 175 cm, even with HGH and optimal nutrition.

So in conclusion, HGH can only help boys on an individual, specific level, and even then it's only "passing on the suffering to someone else", since other kids/men will feel short as a result. A society can impossibly solve the problem of men suffering from height neurosis with HGH, even if it would be successfully given to all kids. The only solution of solving height neurosis is psychological help, surgery (again, only on an individual level) or a way to restart human growth after the growth plates fuse, such as with stem cells, artificial growth plates, and other futuristic solutions. Another important aspect for society is to value and cherish shorter men more, since height variation is a natural thing and mo matter how tall people are, there will always be shorter men and women.

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Its a stupid idea. I will not risk life of someone because of 1 or 2 not guarantee inches. Their are many possible side effect of HGH
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 11:20:50 PM »

There's are no proven long term health effects of human hormone especially if taken at sensible dosages. HGH gets a bad rap because provbodybuilders abuse it along with several other drugs as well.

Put it this way HGH is a far safer way to combat a persons height than sawing legs apart then stretching and permanently damaging your body anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Taken in sufficient quantities as well you will get 3-4" out of it possibly more depending on the person. And that's 3-4" that wont destroy your bodies joints, ankle mobility, knees etc
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 11:24:43 PM »

Put it this way HGH is a far safer way to combat a persons height than sawing legs apart then stretching and permanently damaging your body anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

what a comparison....

Everyone would prefer to use HGH over LL, problem is 1 method still works when your growth plates fuse and the other one doesn't.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 11:29:24 PM »

I meant tackle the problem before it's too late with HGH

Leg lengthening is fine for those who simply want to be taller who are willing to risk long term problems with their joints and walking in the future.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2016, 11:17:23 AM »

There's are no proven long term health effects of human hormone especially if taken at sensible dosages. HGH gets a bad rap because provbodybuilders abuse it along with several other drugs as well.

Put it this way HGH is a far safer way to combat a persons height than sawing legs apart then stretching and permanently damaging your body anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Taken in sufficient quantities as well you will get 3-4" out of it possibly more depending on the person. And that's 3-4" that wont destroy your bodies joints, ankle mobility, knees etc

Obviously probably everyone here wishes they had been given HGH in a proper manner when they still had the chance. That's not the argument here. Although I'm still doubtful if 3-4 inches can really always be achieved. How can this even be mesured? We have no way of knowing how much a child might have grown without his HGH doses, and likewise we can never know how much a child might have gained with them. Even predictions by doctors are only predictions. And of course once must be aware that the timeframe where HGH can be administered is very short and it's also a time where most kids are still under the guidance of their parents and caretakers - they are not really adult and able to make wise, rational decisions or know how important height will be for them later.

But nonetheless, my question was
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What's your opinion on giving boys with normal, albeit short final height, human growth hormone?

Should we give a boy with a predicted height of 5'7'' HGH? How about 5'8''? 5'9''? Where do we draw the line? As long as it's an established dogma that taller men are better and short men are undesirable and less worthy, there will always be men who will suffer immensely because of their height. Even if we give every boy below average height HGH, we would only shift the problem around, there would still be shorter men who are unhappy. HGH is not a solution for this, and LL isn't either, at least not on a societal level. The only solution, as I said, would be either scientific achievements to allow us to restart natural growth, or a societal approach to value men of shorter stature more.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2016, 11:59:24 AM »

Hgh cant make you tall or average if you are not genetically destined to be one... My half brother took it and ended up 168-170cm. A guy here took it and is 171. Messi took it and is 168. This hgh debate is null and stupid
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2016, 01:44:56 PM »

Hgh cant make you tall or average if you are not genetically destined to be one... My half brother took it and ended up 168-170cm. A guy here took it and is 171. Messi took it and is 168. This hgh debate is null and stupid

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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2016, 03:28:02 PM »

If you take HGH before your growth plates are closed it will make you taller 100%.
The drug literally increases the dosage of growth hormone that your body produces, growth hormone is what fuels your bones to grow as well as your muscles and organs. Your brother was probably going to be a lot shorter than what he is now. The drug works if your plates are not closed and lots of wealthy families throughout America and Europe use it under doctors supervision to increase the height of their children. Growth Hormone is also given to children who are likely to be under 5feet with an average growth increase of 4-6inches.

Edit: I'm 5'6.5" and I was able to go on growth hormone but I had the unfortunate scenario of having my growth plates closed. I live in Australia which is a country well known for their high standards of medical care and treatments.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2016, 03:31:58 PM »

If you take HGH before your growth plates are closed it will make you taller 100%.
The drug literally increases the dosage of growth hormone that your body produces, growth hormone is what fuels your bones to grow as well as your muscles and organs. Your brother was probably going to be a lot shorter than what he is now. The drug works if your plates are not closed and lots of wealthy families throughout America and Europe use it under doctors supervision to increase the height of their children. Growth Hormone is also given to children who are likely to be under 5feet with an average growth increase of 4-6inches.

Average growth increase is between 0-8cm. Dont know from where you pull this data... Also, how do you know that alll the rich families use GH for their children? Show me evidence for this claim please... About the kids who are below 5', GH to GH defficient children does help and give dramatic results since they lack it... Kids without GH defficiency are not getting these results (again 0-8cm growth according to research articles). No one gets tall from this.

But, if you want to invent a reason to feel sorry for yourself or hate your parents for not giving you a drug that wouldnt have helped you, be my guest
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2016, 03:42:33 PM »

Average growth increase is between 0-8cm. Dont know from where you pull this data... Also, how do you know that alll the rich families use GH for their children? Show me evidence for this claim please... About the kids who are below 5', GH to GH defficient children does help and give dramatic results since they lack it... Kids without GH defficiency are not getting these results (again 0-8cm growth according to research articles). No one gets tall from this.

But, if you want to invent a reason to feel sorry for yourself or hate your parents for not giving you a drug that wouldnt have helped you, be my guest

I can tell you for a fact that HGH makes you gain height if taken as a child before the bodies growth plates are fused. I have four friends who where geneticly predicted to be short and their parents put them on Human Growth Hormone and they are now 6-8 inches taller than their parents and siblings.  I am talking about my friends parents all four of them who are the same height of 5'2" - 5'5" and have a kid 8 inches taller than them due to this growth hormone. I was just too late to the party and missed the growth train.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2016, 03:47:42 PM »

Messi was 4'2" when he was given Human Growth Hormone by his soccer league which he was signed to. He is now 5'7" He would have been legally a midget if he had not taken the Growth Hormone. His height was increased dramatically.

Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1492546-lionel-messi-and-hgh-the-truth-about-the-best-footballer-in-the-world


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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2016, 03:51:42 PM »

Messi was 4'2" when he was given Human Growth Hormone by his soccer league which he was signed to. He is now 5'7" He would have been legally a midget if he had not taken the Growth Hormone. His height was increased dramatically.

Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1492546-lionel-messi-and-hgh-the-truth-about-the-best-footballer-in-the-world

He was a midget so he lacked in GH so of course GH would have helped him
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2016, 04:00:37 PM »

I can tell you for a fact that HGH makes you gain height if taken as a child before the bodies growth plates are fused. I have four friends who where geneticly predicted to be short and their parents put them on Human Growth Hormone and they are now 6-8 inches taller than their parents and siblings.  I am talking about my friends parents all four of them who are the same height of 5'2" - 5'5" and have a kid 8 inches taller than them due to this growth hormone. I was just too late to the party and missed the growth train.

While all the people I know who took GH are not tall at all.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2016, 04:28:46 PM »

lots of wealthy families throughout America and Europe use it under doctors supervision to increase the height of their children.

That's a pretty bold claim...would love to see any evidence for that.

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I have four friends who where geneticly predicted to be short and their parents put them on Human Growth Hormone and they are now 6-8 inches taller than their parents and siblings.  I am talking about my friends parents all four of them who are the same height of 5'2" - 5'5" and have a kid 8 inches taller than them due to this growth hormone.

Short parents get tall children all the time...we will never know how tall those kids might have ended up without HGH. Again, predictions are only estimations.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2016, 06:14:48 PM »

I study BioChem at the University of Melbourne but of course you all know more than me. lol.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2016, 06:27:41 PM »

I study BioChem at the University of Melbourne but of course you all know more than me. lol.

ן graduated med school a month ago.. But what do I know
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2016, 06:45:00 PM »

HGH administered at proper dosages works the dosages given are typically too low to make much difference

No offence guys just because you went to med school doesn't make you HGH experts. I know guys who have done years learning sports science and they still don't know how to train people in the gym after it.

If HGH made no difference to people's heights then those with pituatory gland problems who excrete large amounts wouldn't grow tall either but they do and typically end up a lot taller than their parents. It is dosage dependent and 1-2ius every other day will do fk all for a short kid hence the poor results.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2016, 06:47:41 PM »

Messi was 4'2" when he was given Human Growth Hormone by his soccer league which he was signed to. He is now 5'7" He would have been legally a midget if he had not taken the Growth Hormone. His height was increased dramatically.

Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1492546-lionel-messi-and-hgh-the-truth-about-the-best-footballer-in-the-world

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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2016, 08:54:42 PM »

ן graduated med school a month ago.. But what do I know

I talked with several specialists here and they were saying exactly the same thing.

HGH is not a magical recipe to get taller, unfortunately.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2016, 09:27:34 PM »

If HGH made no difference to people's heights

Nobody said this anywhere. Can we please stick to the topic?
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2016, 02:13:16 AM »

There's are no proven long term health effects of human hormone especially if taken at sensible dosages. HGH gets a bad rap because provbodybuilders abuse it along with several other drugs as well.

Put it this way HGH is a far safer way to combat a persons height than sawing legs apart then stretching and permanently damaging your body anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Taken in sufficient quantities as well you will get 3-4" out of it possibly more depending on the person. And that's 3-4" that wont destroy your bodies joints, ankle mobility, knees etc

This is pure nonsense. Broscience at its worst. If you are so educated on this subject, as you like to make yourself out to be, then provide 5 separate peer reviewed journal articles that back up these ridiculous claims...

There are literally hundreds of LL articles that have been written by highly educated doctors that prove you, the uneducated, wrong.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2016, 06:15:16 PM »

HGH is one thing. There is also Aromatase inhibitors (AIs), which will slow down fusion of the growth plates under the estrogen hormones. HGH administered at higher than average dosages combined with AIs can grow giants. Search pubmed and study it.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2017, 08:28:49 AM »

HGH is one thing. There is also Aromatase inhibitors (AIs), which will slow down fusion of the growth plates under the estrogen hormones. HGH administered at higher than average dosages combined with AIs can grow giants. Search pubmed and study it.

Just wanted to respond to this, because I actually searched for scientific articles regarding AIs and HGH, and I haven't found a case of children "growing giants" with them.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2017, 11:37:18 PM »

It does not grow giants. However, you can grow 1-8 inches from the treatment depending on when you start it and how long you do it.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2017, 11:50:32 PM »

It does not grow giants. However, you can grow 1-8 inches from the treatment depending on when you start it and how long you do it.

8 inches lol, barely anybody on HGH treatment grows more than 3-4 inches.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2017, 12:00:01 AM »

8 inches lol, barely anybody on HGH treatment grows more than 3-4 inches.

It depends if you have growth hormone deficiency or not. A lot of people who are short have undiagnosed growth hormone deficiency like I did.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2017, 12:04:05 AM »

It depends if you have growth hormone deficiency or not. A lot of people who are short have undiagnosed growth hormone deficiency like I did.

 You didn't have a growth hormone defficiency because you ended up 5'8.
  And no.. It is impossible to diagnose GH problems after the end of puberty.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2017, 12:06:21 AM »

It depends if you have growth hormone deficiency or not. A lot of people who are short have undiagnosed growth hormone deficiency like I did.

5% of short stature people have growth hormone deficiency. Besides my friend that was on HGH therapy grew from 5'7 to 5'10.

Don't lie to yourself that HGH therapy would give you 8 inches more. You guys finally need to accept that in the most part you got screwed on genetic lottery.
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2017, 12:07:28 AM »

You didn't have a growth hormone defficiency because you ended up 5'8.
  And no.. It is impossible to diagnose GH problems after the end of puberty.

I had blood-work done and I do have a growth hormone deficiency. It has nothing to do with whether I was 5'8 or not.
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Re: The case of growth hormones
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2017, 12:08:19 AM »

5% of short stature people have growth hormone deficiency. Besides my friend that was on HGH therapy grew from 5'7 to 5'10.

Don't lie to yourself that HGH therapy would give you 8 inches more. You guys finally need to accept that in the most part you got screwed on genetic lottery.

5'7 to 5'10 is a huge difference let's not joke around here. I never said that it would have given me 8 inches or more but in some cases it has. I probably would have gotten at least an inch.
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