Limb Lengthening Forum

6 inches is too much at your starting height. Nobody should lengthen 6 inches IMO. Now, you can do external tibia without nails up to 6 cm safely. Your short tibia might not accommodate internal nails and external only might be your only solution. With femurs though, only internal nails are recommended and since femur is a long bone, I think the smallest PRECICE nail should fit in your femur.

If you're going to lengthen both segments, I advice you to do 1.5 inches on tibia and 2 inches on femur and stop at 5'3'5, which is a decent female height and your arms will no longer appear that long with +2.5 inch wingspan.

Forget about 6 inches, even 5 inches is pushing it for your starting height. Aim for 3.5 inches to be extra safe. Do fully external tibia for 1.5 inches and then femur for 2 inches or vice versa.

Hi everyone. I’m a (born) female and identify as a girl, and my wingspan is 6 inches taller than my actual height. Everyone also makes comments about how long my arms are, how my hands look like they belong to a tall person and also how my feet are big for my height (size 9). My height is 5”. I’m also the shortest person in my family on both sides which is so weird, I’m not adopted at all.

Anyway, my goal is to be at least 5”5 or 5”6. I know that I’m done growing, don’t want to waste any more time waiting. I’m in the US and doing research on doctors thanks for the website. Do any of you think it’s possible to gain 6” and how long would it take for me to be functional?

Yeah. I am really surprised by the incel/blackpillistic view that if you are unattractive you are a life loser. Life is way much more than how attractive you are. Many people are considering this surgery just for self-satisfication instead of how many heterosexuals they will be able to attract. I am really tired of these incel viewpoints tbh, like if you are under 6ft you are not a man, if you can't mog women into oblivion as a man height-wise you are not a man(ntm this viewpoint is saturated with male chauvinism as well, like a man must be stronger than women or he is not a man), etc....

F*ck off

I'm preparing myself mentally for a 1 year journey of pure external tibia. I know that quality of life will be shiet but I want to distract myself from bad thoughts and kill the time as efficiently as possible.

Given how big and heavy Ilizarov frames are, I have to either sit or lie on my back, there's no other resting positions with those bulky frames as far as I know.

Which gaming setup do you recommend to me:

Gaming laptop
Console
Handheld device like Steam Deck or Lenovo Legion Go

Which will be the most comfortable to use in that situation?

I suggest doing external tibia for 2 inches ASAP at least not to feel shorter than average height women. At 5'5, you can live more or less with decent life providing other things are going well for you. External tibia with a reputable doctor who specializes in deformity corrections is relatively cheap in Russia and at least with Parihar in India (other Indian docs are shady so I don't recommend going to India if not with Parihar). You can always do the femur later if you wish to add another 2 or 3 inches and stand at 5'7-5'8 range, but right now, doing 2 inches in tibia and going to 5'5 should be your main focus.

I, for example, can't imagine living at 5'3 as a grown up male human being anywhere in the world. I'm 5'5 and despite several attempts of accepting my height in the past, now I acknowledge the I can't live with this issue unless I fix it with LL. I want to do double LL but I can't afford internal nails for femurs anytime soon. I'm contemplating on doing LON femurs but my gut tells me not to risk with that crap and just do fully external tibia for 2 or 2.5 inches with a reputable doc who also specializes in deformity corrections. I want to reach strong 5'7 ASAP and fully external tibia is my only realistic and safe option in about 1 year from now.

I know that I won't be fully satisfied with 5'7 but at least I'll get rid lower leg segment and whenever I'll get enough money for proper internal femurs I'll do that, even in my 40s (but hope to do that before 40th birthday). I won't rush in and go all in the moment I get enough money for decent femur surgery. Being broke after femur LL is not my plan (as Body Builder frequently mentions that). First LL is a necessity for my starting height of 5'5 and I can at least become a strong 5'7 guy with tibia surgery. I will invest in other things in my life after that milestone and whenever I get tons of spare money, I will most definetely go with PRECICE MAX and get full 3 inches with it.

I've never had an operation in my life and I'm very afraid of general anesthesia, although it's better to go asleep during the surgery rather than being awake and aware of how surgeons are operating on your legs. I'm afraid that when I get knocked down, I will never wake up again, i.e. die in deep sleep.

Im glad you didnt experience those but all my female friends who gave birth on spinal anesthesia reported pretty bad side effects

Just go for General Anesthesia. You sleep and wake up it was done.
Before LL surgery, you may want to do your own health checkup for any underlining illness and bone density.
This is to ensure you are healthy and bone density within the normal range.

Dr.Becker will provide blood thinner medication to prevent PE.
You are also encouraged to walk with crutches post operation.
You are not totally sitting on wheelchair or laying in bed.
You need to go daily PT when move to Rehab.

16 cm in one go is unreasonable since you can't lengthen your tibia for 8 cm and lengthening your femurs for more than 8 cm is also not recommended.

IMO, you should measure your bones with x-rays and lengthen according to initial bone length values. You shouldn't exceed 15% of original bone length. To be more on the safe side, 12.5% is what I think the upper max safe limit. This means that the shorter your starting height and bones, the less you can lengthen safely.

And it's not only about safety, it's about appearing normal after double LL. Nobody will look normal after 16 cm unless one starts at 185 cm height with huge torso and arms.

For guys below 5'7, the most realistic option is 5 or 6 cm on femurs and 4 or 5 cm on tibia for a grand total of 9-11 cm height increase. Of course with only sequential quadrilateral of at least 6 months gap after femur surgery. I don't recommend starting with tibia because it takes longer to recover and you won't be able to break your femurs after 6 months of tibia surgery.

I too would like to be 16 cm taller but it's an unrealistic and dangerous goal for so many reasons. Even if it was as safe as 5 cm femur + 4 cm tibia lenghtening, I'd still not lengthen that much due to biomechanics and proportions. I'm used to lower center of gravity so 5 cm on femur and 4 cm on tibia is already pushing it to adapt to new biomechanics and center of gravity.

And, finally, imagine 5'3 guy lengthening 16 cm and becoming 5'9 1/2. He will look very odd due to short torso and freakishly long legs. Even if he does AL, his forearm and hands will remain ridiculously small for someone standing at 176 cm tall.

Lengthen according to your initial bone lengths and don't exceed 12.5% if you want to remain functional and more or less acceptable proportionally. For me at strong 5'5, 12.5% of femur is about 5.5 cm and for tibia is 4.4 cm. I might even go lower and settle with 5 cm femur and 4 cm tibia, i.e. 11.5% original bone length.

If you're 160 cm, 4 inches is already pushing it. If one is 165 cm, again, 4 inches is already pushing it but at least he can get away with it if he has short legs. If one is 170 cm, he can get away with 10 cm if he has short legs relative to torso. And only after 173 cm can someone gain 13 cm safely and look normal if and only if he had really short legs relative to torso. 16 cm is only for dwarves IMO. Nobody should lengthen more than 11.5 cm or 4.5 inches in total and that's already pushing it.

Thx for your long reply! Yeah I think he does not do 16cm in only one go because that is indeed too insane... my tibias are 34 and my femurs are 40.5cm, but I measured with a tape. By the "formula", it seems to me 12cm or so is the upper max limit.
And yeah disproportionateness will also be a big problem even if I can accomplish 16cm.
My goal is actually to get myself taller to the degree that I can be treated normally, or at least my socializers will not define me by my height(I think as long as a man is averagely tall he will not be defined/judged by his height, and he should not feel inferior to tall guys since at that point everything comes before height, not like under 5'7 face personality etc. come after height... it's brutal to say but this is how society works).
The reason why I am considering doing it, even though I do not fall victim to blackpillisms like if you are short as a man your life is over(I think even a man is an amalgamation of height face personality IQ etc., and if one person defines you 100% by your height then he is not someone you should socialize with or care about. That's his problem after all), is that however I am in other things height comes before them, like 'This "short guy" is smart!", "This "short guy" is rich!", etc., namely height is too 'significant' out there, and I really hate this. I don't want to impress others by my shortness at all.
In China, 170cm-190cm is the range in which no matter how your height is people will not define you by your height. Nobody will mention your height when claiming something about you, but if you are not in this range then they will.

(I have to mention that, China is now the most heightpilled country... I am really wondering why. It seems to me for a man, even ugliness or poorness, particularly poorness is not discriminated so badly as shortness...)

16 cm in one go is unreasonable since you can't lengthen your tibia for 8 cm and lengthening your femurs for more than 8 cm is also not recommended.

IMO, you should measure your bones with x-rays and lengthen according to initial bone length values. You shouldn't exceed 15% of original bone length. To be more on the safe side, 12.5% is what I think the upper max safe limit. This means that the shorter your starting height and bones, the less you can lengthen safely.

And it's not only about safety, it's about appearing normal after double LL. Nobody will look normal after 16 cm unless one starts at 185 cm height with huge torso and arms.

For guys below 5'7, the most realistic option is 5 or 6 cm on femurs and 4 or 5 cm on tibia for a grand total of 9-11 cm height increase. Of course with only sequential quadrilateral of at least 6 months gap after femur surgery. I don't recommend starting with tibia because it takes longer to recover and you won't be able to break your femurs after 6 months of tibia surgery.

I too would like to be 16 cm taller but it's an unrealistic and dangerous goal for so many reasons. Even if it was as safe as 5 cm femur + 4 cm tibia lenghtening, I'd still not lengthen that much due to biomechanics and proportions. I'm used to lower center of gravity so 5 cm on femur and 4 cm on tibia is already pushing it to adapt to new biomechanics and center of gravity.

And, finally, imagine 5'3 guy lengthening 16 cm and becoming 5'9 1/2. He will look very odd due to short torso and freakishly long legs. Even if he does AL, his forearm and hands will remain ridiculously small for someone standing at 176 cm tall.

Lengthen according to your initial bone lengths and don't exceed 12.5% if you want to remain functional and more or less acceptable proportionally. For me at strong 5'5, 12.5% of femur is about 5.5 cm and for tibia is 4.4 cm. I might even go lower and settle with 5 cm femur and 4 cm tibia, i.e. 11.5% original bone length.

If you're 160 cm, 4 inches is already pushing it. If one is 165 cm, again, 4 inches is already pushing it but at least he can get away with it if he has short legs. If one is 170 cm, he can get away with 10 cm if he has short legs relative to torso. And only after 173 cm can someone gain 13 cm safely and look normal if and only if he had really short legs relative to torso. 16 cm is only for dwarves IMO. Nobody should lengthen more than 11.5 cm or 4.5 inches in total and that's already pushing it.

I am 162cm as a Chinese and I never experienced any disease that was detrimental to growth including GH deficiency
I am wondering if before my growth plates fused I coulda got benefitted from HGH.
I did some researches but there are controversies, some of which say as long as you get it injected professionally there will be no horrible complications so it is suggested, while the rest say HGH can get you very horrible complications as long as you inject it, and there are some even in other regards like HGH can help you surpass your genetic potiential while HGH can't, but of course for this the latter is reasonable while the former is totally nonsensical because any hormone can't change your genes.
I think HGH has got improved these years, because when I was a junior/high schooler there was even no suggestion for injecting HGH because it was only used for deficient patients, while these days there is already hearsay that it can also be used for non-deficient patients.