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[Muse]

Hey guys, i hope everyone manages to read this.. I've just recently heard of a gym in London called gymbox whose owner has guaranteed at least 2cm height increase or your money back. Apparently people have been reaching height gains of up to 2 inches. Approximately 5.5 cm. So i was just wondering if anyone has given that a go as of yet?!

Your money and time would probably be better off doing yoga.  I suspect that's what this gym thing is really about.  A temporary increase in height via stretching.  Once you stop doing it, your height will return to normal.   

If you are under 20 and your growth plates have not close, it's worth stretching yourself via exercises.

[ChrisIsaak]

I'd rather be dead than live as a 165 cm man and I'm not kidding about it. It disgusted me for years. Yes, I'm vain, I accept it. I'd rather be a murderer than a short guy. LL is my salvation, there hasn't been a single day I regretted my decision. It's breaking the body for healing the hurt soul. If I was 173 cm or above, I wouldn't do LL. I would lock myself into the gym and get closer to a godlike physique. My minimum limit is 173 cm ( 5'8 ). Anything above that limit and if you still want LL, you might be better off by thinking again and dedicating yourself to working out. If you have doubts, then don't do it.

If your growth plates have fused, there's no other way for height increase except surgery. All other solutions are temporary (stretching, yoga, pilates). An endocrinologist can tell you whether if your growth plates have fused.

[just4cm]

I'd rather be dead than live as a 165 cm man and I'm not kidding about it. It disgusted me for years. Yes, I'm vain, I accept it. I'd rather be a murderer than a short guy. LL is my salvation, there hasn't been a single day I regretted my decision. It's breaking the body for healing the hurt soul. If I was 173 cm or above, I wouldn't do LL. I would lock myself into the gym and get closer to a godlike physique. My minimum limit is 173 cm ( 5'8 ). Anything above that limit and if you still want LL, you might be better off by thinking again and dedicating yourself to working out. If you have doubts, then don't do it.

If your growth plates have fused, there's no other way for height increase except surgery. All other solutions are temporary (stretching, yoga, pilates). An endocrinologist can tell you whether if your growth plates have fused.

I was reading your post early in the morning and was confused asking myself when did I write it? :-) I have same thoughts as u. I think this forum will bring better results for future LL patients. Most of them won't go beyond 5cm, most of them will pick their dr really carefully and if they go to third world hospitals they are well educated about LL so drs can't fool them, and so on and so o.. If there weren't guys who did LL and unselfishly shared their experience with us we could follow that idiot from old forum and ruined our lives just like that. If I had money I would pay the operation to each of u suffering from any kind of pain because LL.

[Moubgf]

Christ isak, you me both brother feel the same.


But i can be 5'8 and let me tell you it still bad. Not make you guys that have that as a goal feel dishearted but shee you need to be 5'11 to see the benifts of life.

At 5'8 They are still gonna look as you as short but not SHORT enough to be called out on a regular basis know im sayin'. And you are still not gonna gain any more respect when going out clubbing or trying to act little bit dominant.


5'11 or die tryin.

[KiloKAHN]

Clubbing is such a minute part of life though. 5'8 may not be tall enough for those wanting a height gain in order to enjoy all the social privileges that come with being tall, but for those wanting to enjoy a life without the constant ridicule toward their height, 5'8 is more than enough in most countries. I'm sure there are many people who will enjoy life immensely at an average height simply because their height is no longer a disadvantage.

I think of it like this:

Short = social disadvantage
Average = neutral ground
Tall = social privilege

If you're in the middle and have other things going for you like a well built body and/or an endearing personality, or even a respectable job, then your height will be a non-factor in most situations. Plus, I think there's more of a psychological benefit for short guys becoming closer to average than for average guys becoming tall.

[FrankGarrett]

My minimum limit is 173 cm ( 5'8 ). Anything above that limit and if you still want LL, you might be better off by thinking again and dedicating yourself to working out. If you have doubts, then don't do it.

How will working out solve a person's height insecurity? I think leg lengtheners who are taller than 5' 8" make you feel insecure about yourself because you suffer from height-envy, or else you wouldn't be constantly whinging about it so much.

Taller = better. It's not that difficult to understand. I do draw the line at 6' 2", being taller than that is an inconvenience, but to each his own.

[Wannabegiant]

Christ isak, you me both brother feel the same.


But i can be 5'8 and let me tell you it still bad. Not make you guys that have that as a goal feel dishearted but shee you need to be 5'11 to see the benifts of life.

At 5'8 They are still gonna look as you as short but not SHORT enough to be called out on a regular basis know im sayin'. And you are still not gonna gain any more respect when going out clubbing or trying to act little bit dominant.


5'11 or die tryin.

I agree with this although in my experience the limit for being respected and being able to act dominant is 5'10, even in a country such as Sweden where there are lots of tall people. I have never heard of anybody that height being referred to as short, even in company of much taller men. At that height you are pretty much taller than 90% of the women you will meet as well.

Also there is a guy who fights in the UFC, he used to be a heavyweight and was undefeated there, Daniel Cormier, he is 5'10 and was destroying skilled giants like Josh Barnett (6'3), Bigfoot Silva (6'4) and Frank Mir (6'3). Now he moved down to LHW division though.

Guys like that make me feel that at 5'10, you will never be looked at as short, and because of that nothing is stopping you from being dominant. Being average is enough to be able to be dominant imo, its only when you are less than average that it becomes a hinderance, for the same reason that you dont have to be bodybuilder build to be dominant, you can be slightly muscular and that would be enough.

[ChrisIsaak]

@Frank Garrett

Nah, I don't care about leg lengtheners above 5'8. To each his own. If they want to do it, then fine, best of luck. 5'8 is still short in the United States, but it's the -supposed- male average in Turkey. I'll be fine. Working out solves a lot of insecurities. True, it doesn't solve height insecurity, but there's no need for me to be insecure of my height at 5'8. Yes, taller is better, but LL is expensive and requires time. I can't do a second LL now, so I'll keep it out of my mind and go on with my life. Once again, working out raises serotonin levels, makes one feel good about oneself, introduces discipline into one's life and is a more attainable goal than LL. At 5'5 I felt working out was meaningless. At 5'8 there are guys like Mark Wahlberg, Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner with good bodies (bulky or lean) as examples of what one can do if he works out. I also think a 5'8 guy with a muscular body is better than a skinny 6'0 guy any given day. At 5'5, however, no one cares. Did I make my point?

If you look at height dysphoria in a larger frame (body dysmorphic disorder) you'll understand.
 

[Muse]

The other side topic between Frank and Chris can be discuss via Pm, back to the original topic.

[Moubgf]

working out does not release serotnoning? levels, It is the people who already is at a low bodyfat the "10% bodyfat" people that looks them selves in the mirror and gets a boost in mind from that. So a fatty wont get happy after working out UNTIL he see the results later on. THEN it was the reflection in the mirror not the actuall physical activity.

[OverrideYouGenetics]

I think he meant endorphines

[onedayillgrow]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2572819/Chinese-woman-21-surgery-extend-stunted-left-leg-23-CENTIMETRES.html

anyone heard of this?

[KiloKAHN]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2572819/Chinese-woman-21-surgery-extend-stunted-left-leg-23-CENTIMETRES.html

anyone heard of this?

Interesting article. It's great that her doctors are confident that she will be able to walk normally.

[mediocre]

Walking would be very tough even after knee/hip replacements. Those joints were just smashed.

[TRS]

It is possible for people with bone deformities and leg discrepancy to lengthen to that extent.
Despite their bone(s) being shorter they still have fully developed/longer muscles, blood vessels and nerves therefore lengthening to such proportion is possible without much complications.

[mediocre]

I don't know if the writer is exaggerating or the doctors are very optimist. Tough to give false hopes on walking normally.

All the best for her.

It is possible for people with bone deformities and leg discrepancy to lengthen to that extent.
Despite their bone(s) being shorter they still have fully developed/longer muscles, blood vessels and nerves therefore lengthening to such proportion is possible without much complications.

[jerry]

I was talking to a patient who did 8cm on tibias.     He suggest to have a consultation with a doctor to have your legs x-rayed and find the ideal amount to lengthen via your bone length.

He believe that 5 cm is always safest but what really matters is the percentage increase in the tibia. Around a 20% increase is best which is about 7.5cm for most people. The taller you are the longer your tibia will be and the more you can lengthen safely.  We were talking about tibias,  I suppose this apply for femurs too. 

[Wannabegiant]

I was talking to a patient who did 8cm on tibias.     He suggest to have a consultation with a doctor to have your legs x-rayed and find the ideal amount to lengthen via your bone length.

He believe that 5 cm is always safest but what really matters is the percentage increase in the tibia. Around a 20% increase is best which is about 7.5cm for most people. The taller you are the longer your tibia will be and the more you can lengthen safely.  We were talking about tibias,  I suppose this apply for femurs too.

So does this mean that if you already have long tibias, then you should be able to lengthen them more than a person with short tibias?

[Adriano]

Yes

[Wannabegiant]

Yes

Good for me i guess since i have pretty long tibias, although it seems counterproductive to this surgery, people with short tibias are able to lengthen longer without it looking weird, but physically it will be harder for them to do it.

[jerry]

So does this mean that if you already have long tibias, then you should be able to lengthen them more than a person with short tibias?

Correct, that's exactly the point.  That is your bone length as determined by Xray.  The longer the length, the more you can lengthen. 

From Dr Donghoon Lee website  -  it is recommended that lengthening is performed under 20% of the original bone length, and by an experienced surgeon. 

[theuprising]

So much for new paradigm with leechlet going for 10cm in femur and rgkey
having done 9cm in tibia and going for femurs with both these guys being below
165cm to begin with.

[Orlando]

So much for new paradigm with leechlet going for 10cm in femur and rgkey
having done 9cm in tibia and going for femurs with both these guys being below
165cm to begin with.

Are they able to run and walk normally?  They are not fully recovered yet, so you can't tell how their results are.    I doubt everyone can do 9-10cm without complications.   

[Moubgf]

Well leech is using internal method which helps TONS, if it was external then it would be a complete downey move to do 8-9 cm on femurs.

[TomD]

After much thought, I have decided that we need to do 2 surgeries or none at all.

Our bodies are designed to work in a mechanical way that nature engineered for millenia.

Making one section of our legs longer than the the other section throws that whole balance out. We would need to learn how to run in a different way. Ergo, whatever we do to the tibs, we do to the fibs.

I am still for 7cm each. For me its realistic. 

[Smallguy]

After much thought, I have decided that we need to do 2 surgeries or none at all.

Our bodies are designed to work in a mechanical way that nature engineered for millenia.

Making one section of our legs longer than the the other section throws that whole balance out. We would need to learn how to run in a different way. Ergo, whatever we do to the tibs, we do to the fibs.

I am still for 7cm each. For me its realistic. 

Hey Tomd, welcome back!

I agree with you. In life, there is never a perfect solution. You have to consider your original height, your means, and what you are willing to compromise in terms of proportion to reach your goal.

Some taller guys can talk about proportion, but for short guys, that may not be feasible.

Since I'm starting out quite short, I will probably comprise 2-3cm of disproportion to be able to reach my dream height. I agree with you, 7cm on each segment would work for me.

[theuprising]

One thing that people do notice is guys who have really long legs compared to their torso.
I saw an indian guy today who looked like he had LL when my friends pointed him out.

Obviously they are unaware of LL but they knew he was off. This is why I don't believe
height trumps proportions. People will notice.

[KiloKAHN]

Check out this guy's proportions. Real life Slenderman.

[Blackhawk]

Lol!!

If there wasn't some nice women in that video it may be the worst video I have ever seen!!

It was still pretty awful though!

[OverrideYouGenetics]

Check out this guy's proportions. Real life Slenderman.

wow, I didnt know Greekster made a music video

[thetallerman]

One thing that people do notice is guys who have really long legs compared to their torso.
I saw an indian guy today who looked like he had LL when my friends pointed him out.

Obviously they are unaware of LL but they knew he was off. This is why I don't believe
height trumps proportions. People will notice.

I hold a different opinion here. If you are below average or even just average, extra height, in general, garners you higher respect from your peers and much more attention from the ladies. That is of course if you lengthen realistically; if you are lengthening 11cm on your femurs, for example, you'll look great with clothes on, but probably pretty weird at the beach, unless of course you started out with some pretty long tibias. And besides 11cm on one bone segment is really not safe anyways.