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[RGKEY]

for all my short guys like I was before:

"...When people can't do something them self, they are gonna tell you that you can't do it. You want something, go get it. Period."

-Will Smith
(The Persuit of Happiness, film)

[KrP1]

Height is very important because almost all girls likes tall mens .for a lot of girls a guy should be at least as tall as her or she must exclude him .
i have got girlfriends but all of them thinks im short. And have make jokes about my height and they like me to be more tall.

another girls tell me that im beautifull but they like tall mens so they dont want to date with me.

height matters as have a beautiful face or more. Thats the truth. Sorry for bad english

[ChrisIsaak]

I don't see Turkish girls in your list bro! Only when you score here will I consider you're in the advanced level   

Here you have to be tall, fit, intelligent, wealthy, romantic yet uninterested at the same time, famous, not famous, and you should be able to make pigs fly. Good luck!

[RGKEY]

I don't see Turkish girls in your list bro! Only when you score here will I consider you're in the advanced level   

Here you have to be tall, fit, intelligent, wealthy, romantic yet uninterested at the same time, famous, not famous, and you should be able to make pigs fly. Good luck!

yeah, i havent met any turkish girl lol but i must say i don't care about getting all girls, or being a player, because I am not. I only care to get the type of girls I like, when I want.

[shawty]

Hey RG, when are you planning on coming back? How's your walking now?

[Adriano]

ha haah aha h aha

Very interesting mate!

Actions speak louder than words. The fact that you went to russia to break your healthy legs, walk and sleep with metal around your legs for around a year says a lot about what ypu really think about height in our society.

You have lost arround a year in your existense to be taller.

What girls think about short men is just a hint/example of what the general population thinks about short men.

at 163cm myself, i look at guys shorter than me and know i have a better chance than them in a night club or on social environment.

Taller men earn more. Girls want taller guys. the list just goes on.

Dont be one of those silly guys who say they did LL for themselves. We r all doing LL to be taller and more respected on society (ie. in the worl place, with girls, etc)

[ShortyMcShort]

at 163cm myself, i look at guys shorter than me and know i have a better chance than them in a night club or on social environment.

Taller men earn more. Girls want taller guys. the list just goes on.

Dont be one of those silly guys who say they did LL for themselves. We r all doing LL to be taller and more respected on society (ie. in the worl place, with girls, etc)

Amen to that, imo anyone who says otherwise are only lying to themselves, otherwise why on Earth would anyone put themselves through this crap. Rather spend that money on a nice car, holiday or save for a house deposit, not pay ridiculous amounts of money for someone to break your legs and be in pain/disable to lengthy period of times.

Unless you're a rich millionaire with neverending cashflow then you could be a 150cm man for all they(women) care

[RGKEY]

 I know for a fact that I live in my own world)) my reasons for LL go way farder than just being taller.  Being taller helps in our society I never said it doesn't. In general, I always want to look my best, and I think everyone should.

And like Adrino said, actions speak louder than words. So at 163 I was getting the same things in life that im getting now. So I don't see how much height is helping me. That's jus my reality,  and I think very few people would relate to me. This is my truth what can I say. Im not speculating or making hypothesis,  im just talking about my reality. And im sure im not the only one. However, I do believe im very lucky in life.

Again my opinion is purely base on facts, on my own reality.

Btw, I care about my appearance a lot)) but I just don't let it interfere with what I get in life or how I live my life.

[ChrisIsaak]

RGKEY,

You're not alone. I also agree with you that I haven't seen a difference in the way people treated me at 165 cm and at 172 cm. I haven't noticed any "extra respect" of any sort, everything is completely normal. Perhaps I didn't have enough time / went out much as needed yet to truly put it to the test, but I don't expect a huge change either. I mean, if someone didn't like you before LL, chances are they still won't post-LL, and if someone already likes you, it's likely that you won't see a change in their attitude as well. I stand "tall" even though I'm still relatively short; I have a lot of extra confidence now, but it's less due to the added height and more due to what I went through to earn it. Still, the extra confidence doesn't mean I'm now going to get everything I want. It means, however, that even if I don't get what I want, it'll be easy to move on since I won't be blaming my stature for things with possibly much different reasons.

I also want to look my best at all times. When I look into the mirror I'm very happy to see my new legs, but I'm not satisfied with my face. I've lost a lot of weight during LL, but I need to shed some weight from my face as well - which means that I have to keep losing weight while maintaining a balanced diet. My new goal is dropping 10 kg's before summer. Am I doing this to attract women? Not really, I mean not all women, I'd be more than glad if I could attract the only girl I want to be with, to get together again more precisely. "I'm doing it for myself" is a logical claim if you're feeling good about yourself at the end of everything. And isn't that just what we all want?

[Wannabegiant]

shorter guys have a disadvantage absolutely but not from looks but from confidence!!

I have scored with:

Americans
Latin american girls
Sweden girls
thai girls
jamaican girls
russian girls
ukranian girls
belarussian girls
germany girls
canadian girls
australian girls
japaneses girls
oh and 1 nigerian girl lol

for the most part taller and better looking than i am. So if i could everyone can!!

Girls are the same from almost any nationality!!

Well lets put it this way, shorter guys have to compensate their shortness by being more confident and having other things to get the girl compared to the tall guy who needs less of everything else. Some cases the extra confidence wont be enough though.

Also you are talking about scoring with girls, which i agree is quite easy even for us average guys. However when getting a lasting relationship, and if you want a real hot girl, then you need lots of everything (unless you are either really rich, famous or lucky)

[RGKEY]

chriss:: agree with you)) yeah looking good always makes me feel pumped!)) like im the man haha))) i tell that to my self everytime i see me in the mirror))

wannbegiant::: agree. ofcourse guys with not good or even average appearance have to compensate with personality. But even more important than personality is "vibes" what you convey as a person, and understanding of people in general. When I said scoring i ment from random hook ups to potential serious relationships. But right now I dont feel like committing to a relationship, maybe tomorrow ill change my mind. But I know i can if I want to. To me a long term relationship has nothing to do with game, it has to do more with 2 people really connecting in so many different deep levels. Confidence is not enough!!! of course not. confidence is way over rated my friend. Confidence can come and go like the wind. But your vibe and your social skill will always be there, having an understanding of people is the key.

what she says vs what she does.

for example, me at 163:

I meet a girl, at first she is kinda bitchy and probably not attracted to me, because she is used to date super tall handsome guys. she doesnt need a guy like me. But i buy time and she start getting comfortable with my presence, well then I move on, and test what behavior she starts accepting from me, in her mind she doesnt like me, but then all of the saddle i hold her hand, i give her hug, then a kiss, the we walk holding hand, then we make out. and then she will still tell me, oh my god i can't believe I just kissed you, "you are not so my type" i heard that s**t all the time. well i said "you must like me then" then she agreed with a smile, then we go on a date. now she is not only attracted to me subconsciously but also consciously. then we have an amazing time together and realizes that she is not the only woman in my life (that's called pre selection) and she sees that despite of my height I have many pretty girl friends around me. She knows that I don't need girls in my life, i want to be with her which is different. Women are way more social intelligent than men( and subconsciously looking for survival). What really attract women is a real man. Now, that been said: do i get rejected?? of course i do!!! but not even 50% of time maybe out of 10, 2 or 3 will reject me but who cares, I don't, i just move on, there are so many hot! smart sexy nice girls in the world to worry about just 1. Even model looking guys get reject so why would I feel bad about that? rejection is just part of life))) it doesnt mean s**t, how you deal with it is what it counts))

[Wannabegiant]

Well honestly i havent really ever aggressively pursued a lasting relationship with a hot girl before, usually even if im doing well with her (kissing and feeling a large mutual attraction), i dont go all the way because i know i will have to work so hard for it since these girls have so many guys competing over them. I realize that eventually you will have to work hard but its not worth it if some other taller guy can come into her life and take over without having to work nearly as hard. I also realized that there is no point in a relationship before im done with LL, you need to be happy with yourself if you want such a relationship to last.

So while i might have a chance with those girls for long term, i rather be as good as i can be so i dont have to feel like im dating up in the foodchain, i rather want it to be like im as much as a catch as the girl is. So she realize that she also has to work a little because i have many options too.

I guess what im saying is that in my experience, quite a lot of girls seem to find me attractive, problem is that usually there is another guy or several other guys involved that has more leverage than i do. (taller, more status etc) It simply feels much better going into this game of competition when you are at a more level playing field.

[crimsontide]

height is very important...  and women value looks just as much as men... These are facts, and no amount of positive thinking or confidence is going to change  these things...  If you are 5'6 or below, and the most confident guy in the world, you're still going to have a much lower pct with girls than even a 5'9 guy

And adriano is 1000000%  right....  We are getting told that we should be happy with who we are, and  height doesn't matter, from a guy that broke both of his legs and lengthened his tibia 9 cm... which is a lot....None of us  is secure with ourselves or our height, otherwise we would not be breaking our healthy legs to get taller. A confident person does not do this.

[RGKEY]

I am not a confident person all the time. Confidence is way over rated. Im only saying at 163 I was getting all I wanted from life that is all. And yes I cut my legs and grew 9cms and I had the most amazing time of my life))))


Quick update:::::

My doct told me I still need to get another week for frame removal. I thought I maybe I could do it today but my doc doesn't qant to take any risk. So one more week with crutches.

For the first time here im having a little bit of drama with gilrs (((((

[ChrisIsaak]

I too had beautiul girlfriends and great friendships at 165 cm. I had some wonderful times. But overall, I felt bad about myself. Now I don't. Other than that, much hasn't changed. Doesn't feeling good about yourself mean a lot anyway? If x happened or y happened, I blamed my height. Now I can blame the other person. Haha 

[Cas]

RGKEY: Thanks for writing this diary. I know it has been quite a long journey, but eventually and hopefully, it will all be over soon.

I didn't even think to research on the doctors over there in Russia. I will definitely find out some more about them. However it does make me a little nervous as I have heard some reports on attacks on people that are not of Caucasian descent happening over in Russia. I want to have LL, but at the same time, I want to be safe as well.

Crimsontide: I overall agree with what you're saying. Women care about looks(especially height). If they didn't, I don't believe nearly half as people searching and inquiring about LL would be doing so.

[Smallguy]

1. Face
2. Height
3. Penis's size
4. Intelligence
5. Status

1,2 and 3 will get you the 95 % of girls, 4 and 5 the other 5%....

You shouldn't mistaken porno for meeting girls in real life. Number 3 should be good at keeping long-term relationship but not at picking up decent/educated/beautiful women. Number 3 should be way down at the bottom of the list and number 4 should be way up top. Unless, you are just drop dead gorgeous (like Tom Cruise or Brad Pit) no one will want to sleep with you at first sight. That's why we need to do a little bit of scheming, which is why I think intelligent should be key. But I also think number 1 and 2 are important.. but those are not everything. As for me...

1. Need more work
2. See below
3. Don't even mention this!
4. Alright... university degree plus an okay job
5. Driving honda civic

See!! You don't need to be perfect. My life is still good.

shorter guys have a disadvantage absolutely but not from looks but from confidence!!

I have scored with:

Americans
Latin american girls
Sweden girls
thai girls
jamaican girls
russian girls
ukranian girls
belarussian girls
germany girls
canadian girls
australian girls
japaneses girls
oh and 1 nigerian girl lol

for the most part taller and better looking than i am. So if i could everyone can!!

Girls are the same from almost any nationality!!

Damn. This is one exotic list here.

Well honestly i havent really ever aggressively pursued a lasting relationship with a hot girl before, usually even if im doing well with her (kissing and feeling a large mutual attraction), i dont go all the way because i know i will have to work so hard for it since these girls have so many guys competing over them. I realize that eventually you will have to work hard but its not worth it if some other taller guy can come into her life and take over without having to work nearly as hard. I also realized that there is no point in a relationship before im done with LL, you need to be happy with yourself if you want such a relationship to last.

So while i might have a chance with those girls for long term, i rather be as good as i can be so i dont have to feel like im dating up in the foodchain, i rather want it to be like im as much as a catch as the girl is. So she realize that she also has to work a little because i have many options too.

I guess what im saying is that in my experience, quite a lot of girls seem to find me attractive, problem is that usually there is another guy or several other guys involved that has more leverage than i do. (taller, more status etc) It simply feels much better going into this game of competition when you are at a more level playing field.

We're in the same boat. It seems that your points and mine are similar. To improving our dating pool, we need to improve the person within! Women are not stupid (at least the smart one). They, like men, want the best they can get. That's why we need to constantly improve ourselves if we want to date the top female at the higher end of the beauty/status chain.

[RGKEY]

Hi Cas, thank you for the cool words!))

You are the second person who ask me about this attacks.. im not well informed about this, all I can say is that I feel great here, taxi drivers, people in general are very nice to me and Im as brown as you can get, and some people even think im chinese, arabic, mexican, philipino but definately not white. Yeah, well people don't always search for the right things. Also, not always find the right information. From my own experiences good game does a lot more than height.

hey small guy:: yeah, that list cracks me up!! if that was true you and I wouldn't have girls in our life!! And i will still be a virgin))

chrissisaak:: i like the way you think))

[KrP1]

height is very important...  and women value looks just as much as men... These are facts, and no amount of positive thinking or confidence is going to change  these things...  If you are 5'6 or below, and the most confident guy in the world, you're still going to have a much lower pct with girls than even a 5'9 guy

And adriano is 1000000%  right....  We are getting told that we should be happy with who we are, and  height doesn't matter, from a guy that broke both of his legs and lengthened his tibia 9 cm... which is a lot....None of us  is secure with ourselves or our height, otherwise we would not be breaking our healthy legs to get taller. A confident person does not do this.

I think the same.

[ChrisIsaak]

For me, the importance priority is;

1) Status
2) Intelligence
3) Height (physique)
4) Face
5) Penis size

"Status" is a huge thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be wealth. It could be popularity among a group, your social position in a group, or in extreme cases, fame. Fame as in "You're good/the best in what you do professionally". For instance, I'm now 5'8, but I think the 5'5 Jamie Cullum has better status than me. He's not world famous maybe (like Daniel Radcliffe) but his musical talent is beyond amazing, which is perhaps why he's married with a much taller, gorgeous woman like Sophie Dahl. He's good and innovating at what he does professionally, and that's a very attractive trait.

[KrP1]

If we are talking about have womans. Girlfriends. Etc

1) face
2) height
3) status
4) inteligence
5)  penis size

For me, the importance priority is;

1) Status
2) Intelligence
3) Height (physique)
4) Face
5) Penis size

"Status" is a huge thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be wealth. It could be popularity among a group, your social position in a group, or in extreme cases, fame. Fame as in "You're good/the best in what you do professionally". For instance, I'm now 5'8, but I think the 5'5 Jamie Cullum has better status than me. He's not world famous maybe (like Daniel Radcliffe) but his musical talent is beyond amazing, which is perhaps why he's married with a much taller, gorgeous woman like Sophie Dahl. He's good and innovating at what he does professionally, and that's a very attractive trait.

[ChrisIsaak]

You're underestimating intelligence. With a great face and height you could have a lot of one night stands, but without intelligence nothing will be long term. I'd rather spend time with an intelligent woman with average beauty rather than an unintelligent top model. But of course, that's just me. Everyone's different.

[Wannabegiant]

You're underestimating intelligence. With a great face and height you could have a lot of one night stands, but without intelligence nothing will be long term. I'd rather spend time with an intelligent woman with average beauty rather than an unintelligent top model. But of course, that's just me. Everyone's different.

I think intelligence is quite hard to measure here, i mean when you say people value intelligence or that you want an intelligent partner, do you want someone that is MIT smart, or just someone average who isnt an idiot?

Because most average people fall into around the same average intelligence if they are from the same socio-cultural background. The differences in intelligence between these individuals would only become noticeable in unusual circumstances, or if both of you in the relationship are into fields like science or medicine etc. The other daily subjects that an average person would need to be able to handle are pretty easy for even "dumb" people. In fact some "less" intelligent people might in return have higher social competence or EQ (emotional intelligence), which would probably make these people more fun to hang around with rather than a guy like Sheldon from Big bang theory  There are many "less intelligent" people with pleasant personalities and many smart ones with obnoxious personalities.

I guess my point is, that as long as the person im dating or meeting doesnt seem to be an idiot, and has decent knowledge about all around education. (and this is quite easy to notice early on) Then intelligence isnt really much of a factor in terms of attraction, for me at least. I would guess quite a lot of people think like this, men and women, but i cant prove it.

So unless the person im dating is a complete idiot these are the most important values for me:

1.Face
2. Personality (this is different that intelligence)
3. Body (tits and ass, curves etc)
4. Intelligence
5. Height (needs to be shorter than me)

For one night stands however it looks more like this for me:

1. Body
2. Face
3. personality
4. Height (needs to be shorter than me)
5. Intelligence

I guess as i am a man, status doesnt affect me in my attraction for a woman. I know this is important for women though, so for them i guess it goes like this:

Dating:

1. Face
2. Height
3. Status
4. Personality
5. Intelligence 

One night stand:

1. Face
2. Height
3. Body
4. Personality
5. Status (status helps here of course but not as much because you can pretend to be someone special without repercursion for single encounters)

[ChrisIsaak]

Someone with a similar socioeconomic background is also important to me. For instance, I have a hard time dating Turkish girls who don't speak English, simply because I use English and foreign culture a lot in daily life. I'd have a hard time dating people with very different political opinions than mine. Although it's not impossible, it's very hard to maintain a relationship with someone when you're not on the same page. When I say intelligent, I don't mean "MIT or Harvard smart", that's not necessary at all. But I at least expect one not to be a complete moron 

[Wannabegiant]

Someone with a similar socioeconomic background is also important to me. For instance, I have a hard time dating Turkish girls who don't speak English, simply because I use English and foreign culture a lot in daily life. I'd have a hard time dating people with very different political opinions than mine. Although it's not impossible, it's very hard to maintain a relationship with someone when you're not on the same page. When I say intelligent, I don't mean "MIT or Harvard smart", that's not necessary at all. But I at least expect one not to be a complete moron 

Yeah i thought so  thats also my point, that since most people we meet or end up dating are from the same socioeconomic background as ourselves, its likely that person will at least be relatively similar in terms of intelligence when it comes to normal daily subjects. This is why i dont think intelligence is much of a factor for most average relationships, at least not at the same level as the other values we mentioned.

[RGKEY]

I guess I break every body's rule here!)) Lol

[RGKEY]

[Wannabegiant]

Very good video, he has a lot of good points, but most of them i have heard before from other pickup artists and reading "The Game" by Neil Strauss.

The thing he said around 15.00 about being a guy that almost lived up to the societal standard (being 5'8 or 5'9) and being tortured because you feel so close yet so far away. That is exactly how i felt before this surgery. I felt i had everything i needed to become one of the guys in top of the social hierarchy except for height which was basically a locked door for me. I stood in front of the mirror many times thinking im soo close..

[RGKEY]

Funny because now that im 172 I still don't feel good about my height. It is really a never end story when we keep compering our selfs. So much insecurity I dislike it. Today I just got some girl s number but I still feel kinda weird about it because even thou she flirted with my and gave me a lot of rapport,  the fact that im walking with a crutch and I stil havel a frame on my leg makes me feel like a little strange, specially when I know ill be free of frames on Monday this anxiety of being there but not there yet is killing me. And I have few girls ill be dating next week and the insecurity of walking like a handicap is hunting me haha. All I can do is just do it, im sure these feelings will go away. The funny thing is that I didn't feel like this two months ago. Because I wasn't comparing my self to anything I was only living in the present moment. I need to get back to that mind set.

[ChrisIsaak]

About the walking, I imagine that it makes me charismatic like Dr.House/Hugh Laurie. It makes me feel better, you should try that mind set 

[RGKEY]

About the walking, I imagine that it makes me charismatic like Dr.House/Hugh Laurie. It makes me feel better, you should try that mind set 

Lol will try))