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5'11"

6'

6'1"

Shorter than 5'11"

Taller than 6'1"

[endomorphisme]

lol itsmylife, i thought you wanted to leave the forum, and you're still there, not focusing on recovery, but trying to convince us what is good and what is not.
You"re loosing you're time and you're energy, if i were you, i would leave this forum, try not to worry about height and resume a normal life...

[ItsMyLife]

lol itsmylife, i thought you wanted to leave the forum, and you're still there, not focusing on recovery, but trying to convince us what is good and what is not.
You"re loosing you're time and you're energy, if i were you, i would leave this forum, try not to worry about height and resume a normal life...

I just waiting for the evidence. I am only looking at this thread, for your reply
I'm not worried about my height, just worried I am abit too tall for my country.

[ItsMyLife]

Think we can close this thread since there's no evidence that points the other way. Im here on forum just to post this thread
BTW it feels good to see my evidence on my signature being repeated 1000+  times in this forum.
Just hope that it can help those people with mental issues (this is not medical advice). They are wayyyy too bitter and too much resentment.

[Smallguy]

Unless I get my orgasm from men which I don't (am 200% straight), I base my facts on what women want. It seems like an overwhelming majority of women prefer men who are less than 6'1, and the marginal benefit exponentially levels off after 6'0. This explains why going from 5'7 (1 vote) to 6'0 (57 votes) give you a huge benefit. But there is hardly any significant benefit going from 5'11 to 6'2 - two additional votes.  This is what the data suggests. And this is based on what white women think. I prefer Asian, who are exponentially shorter.

Every man do as he chooses but don't be shocked being exactly the same person (or less) you were before your LL surgery. We're only here giving honest opinion.

People tend to have a distorted perspective of beauty. That explains why some women think oversized fake-looking silicon boobs is beautiful and other women get lip injection to make their lips thicker (lol).

I can agree that for most of us, height is what is holding us back. But for others, if you seek advice from a smart family member or friend... or even posting a photo of yourself on a forum and detailing your issues, maybe you can get a better suggested solution to your problem.

[YellowSpike]

Honestly, man, I'd love to be like 6'7 or 6'8. That'd be badass--no fks given,

lol RRB, your posts are always hilarious. I would NEVER want to to be THAT tall. 

[Shor7Guy]

I guess we will not have any data or logical arguments (without any logical fallacies) that show that 6'5 is the ideal height or yada yada yada. Case closed. 

go to a party, your view on height will change overnight.

[ItsMyLife]

go to a party, your view on height will change overnight.

Been to many, no change in views

[ItsMyLife]

lol RRB, your posts are always hilarious. I would NEVER want to to be THAT tall. 

The max I will go is 190 cm (about 6'3). But THAT would be freakish in my country. And after my research, I think I am better off stopping at six feet.

[ReadRothbard]

lol RRB, your posts are always hilarious. I would NEVER want to to be THAT tall. 

Lol one of my heroes is strongman Brian Shaw, and he is about that height. Realistically, though, 6'3-6'4 would be the tallest I'd practically want to be. 6'7 would be sweet for a while, but It would get inconvenient.

[Alittletooshort]

The max I will go is 190 cm (about 6'3). But THAT would be freakish in my country. And after my research, I think I am better off stopping at six feet.

Do you consider humerus lengthening as well?
Your starting height is 174 if I remember correrctly, you will look way out of proportions if you really go for 16cms. Whats your wingspan?
Not even I could handle 190 with a wingspan almost this high.

[ReadRothbard]

Do you consider humerus lengthening as well?
Your starting height is 174 if I remember correrctly, you will look way out of proportions if you really go for 16cms. Whats your wingspan?
Not even I could handle 190 with a wingspan almost this high.

He says he doesn't plan on actually lengthening that much--just that 16 cm would be the max he would hypothetically lengthen. He is actually probably aiming for between 8-9 cm to be 183 cm (or 6'0).

[YellowSpike]

Lol one of my heroes is strongman Brian Shaw, and he is about that height. Realistically, though, 6'3-6'4 would be the tallest I'd practically want to be. 6'7 would be sweet for a while, but It would get inconvenient.

The landlord I lived with while doing LL abroad was 6'4.5". Perhaps he appeared taller because he was so thin, but to me, he was kinda too tall. Even his gf who I met a few times said she felt he was too tall (but she was only like 5'3", even I virtually towered over her lol)

[ItsMyLife]

Yup, I want to be 183 cm now (I used to want 188, or 190 cm). But I started to ask girls and guys about what height is ideal here where I live, and it appears to be 180 cm or thereabouts.

I asked further. Girls here prefer 181 compared to 178, so I think I am good to go.

Again, I am not sure what is the real ideal height in America, but I suspect it is very close to 6 feet.

But if we use what I anecdotally asked girls in Singapore, ie, the ideal height in Singapore is 180-182. Then, if we add 4 cm (due to the differences in average height between USA and here), then the figure becomes 184-186 is the ideal height in America.

But I strongly suspect the ideal height in America is 183 cm (6 feet), same as Singapore and most of Asia (maybe we exclude the shorter Asian nations like China, India)  Based on the data. Furthermore, I suspect there are strong mass media and globalisation forces which  make 6 feet the ideal height world-wide, except perhaps, The Netherlands (and Norway, etc)

[ItsMyLife]

Today I post additional supporting data, to the maybe seven or more sources:


As one can see, 6' is (again?!) the peak. Surely this is not a massive lie by deceitful women? 
Again, if females are such deceitful liars who want to conceal their love and lust for tall guys, I FAIL TO SEE WHY the 5'5 , 5'6 , 5'7 guys get so much less votes compared to 6 feet guys or above 6 feet.

Tomorrow I will post the other infographic, also from OKCupid (Thanks Meursault)

[NewHeights]

"I would love to be 5' 10", because any girls who ONLY want a guy who is 6' are jackasses. Being 5' 10" would allow me to avoid such girls"

[YellowSpike]

Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, isn't 6'2" the peak there?

Well of course, with online dating ,women discriminate a lot more based on height. I still managed to do really well with online dating, but that's because I have a lot of other things for me (though I claimed 5'7" to try and get my foot in the door, because once I did, I was usually fine) and was able to write compelling and fun profiles. But I can't imagine how many women out there never even saw my profile because they already filtered me out based on height alone.

For the average short man (who is average in other areas), it's better to meet women in real life because they can't gauge your exact height (the number 5'5" sounds bad on paper, I used to always say 5'7" and mostly got away with it), and your confidence/looks can help you more in real life.

Online dating is notoriously cutthroat and superficial. And height is the number one way women will discriminate online, the way we do with women's weight.

[NewHeights]

Today I post additional supporting data, to the maybe seven or more sources:


As one can see, 6' is (again?!) the peak. Surely this is not a massive lie by deceitful women? 
Again, if females are such deceitful liars who want to conceal their love and lust for tall guys, I FAIL TO SEE WHY the 5'5 , 5'6 , 5'7 guys get so much less votes compared to 6 feet guys or above 6 feet.

Tomorrow I will post the other infographic, also from OKCupid (Thanks Meursault)

I have a problem with your chart, and it has to do with the way it's scaled. There is a minute difference in absolute percentage terms from 5 10" to 6' 2", but the way the graph is scaled makes it look like a significant difference.

[ItsMyLife]

Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, isn't 6'2" the peak there?

Well of course, with online dating ,women discriminate a lot more based on height. I still managed to do really well with online dating, but that's because I have a lot of other things for me (though I claimed 5'7" to try and get my foot in the door, because once I did, I was usually fine) and was able to write compelling and fun profiles. But I can't imagine how many women out there never even saw my profile because they already filtered me out based on height alone.

For the average short man (who is average in other areas), it's better to meet women in real life because they can't gauge your exact height (the number 5'5" sounds bad on paper, I used to always say 5'7" and mostly got away with it), and your confidence/looks can help you more in real life.

Online dating is notoriously cutthroat and superficial. And height is the number one way women will discriminate online, the way we do with women's weight.

I had a good looking guy tell me that being good looking isn't that good after all cos some girls might be after you for your looks.

Perhaps the same logic might apply to height. But either way, I live only once so I guess I will go for the best height I can. I will always age later, and look worse, etc, that will filter away the superficial ones.

[ItsMyLife]

and yup, sorry careless mistake. When you have 7 sources or more telling you the ideal height is six feet, you get caught up. Yup, it is 6'2 there. So I think the ideal is anywhere from 6' to 6'2. But one must realise that for online dating, some people inflate their height. So probably the real ideal is actually still six feet (ie, women who meet 6'2 guys realise they are actually 6'. And women who meet 6' guys realise they are shy of 6'). Again, this is pure conjecture.

[ItsMyLife]

I have a problem with your chart, and it has to do with the way it's scaled. There is a minute difference in absolute percentage terms from 5 10" to 6' 2", but the way the graph is scaled makes it look like a significant difference.

That's true, thanks for the observation. So, as I said any height from 6' or thereabouts is probably fine.

[ItsMyLife]

Thing I wanna bring out from this graph, is that, there is a ceiling effect, as observed by other researchers.

Ie, yes, men can be "too tall" for comfort.

[YellowSpike]

I had a good looking guy tell me that being good looking isn't that good after all cos some girls might be after you for your looks.

Perhaps the same logic might apply to height. But either way, I live only once so I guess I will go for the best height I can. I will always age later, and look worse, etc, that will filter away the superficial ones.

Being good looking is what saved me from having to date unattractive girls despite being very short. So I thank God it at least got that naturally...

I want women to like me because they're attracted to me and because they like my personality. It's all part of the package. I figure, if I can go to the gym and manipulate my body and look good, I want the height too. It's just like I might date a girl that had a nose job but previously I may not have attracted to her. Cosmetic surgery is mainly to help our own confidence and how we feel about ourselves, but if it gives us more dating options, that's just icing on the cake.

[NewHeights]

Being good looking is what saved me from having to date unattractive girls despite being very short. So I thank God it at least got that naturally...

I want women to like me because they're attracted to me and because they like my personality. It's all part of the package. I figure, if I can go to the gym and manipulate my body and look good, I want the height too. It's just like I might date a girl that had a nose job but previously I may not have attracted to her. Cosmetic surgery is mainly to help our own confidence and how we feel about ourselves, but if it gives us more dating options, that's just icing on the cake.

I'm right with you Yellow. The idea of a girl setting a minimum height filter on a dating site at 6' makes me cringe at the thought  of such shallow girl, and I would never want to encounter or talk to that type of person. I also would want a girl who falls for my personality.

I can only understand a girl doing that if the girl is very tall herself.

Also, The chart posted is very telling for two reasons.

1. TALL is NOT a huge advantage, otherwise the percentage would have jumped more at 6' plus

2. 5' 7" and up seems like the place to be, but even the difference between 5' 5" and 6' 2" in absolute percentage terms is not that huge. 5' 5" guys still have a chance!

[Smallguy]

The ideal height shown in this graph is 6'2 and 6'5 to 6'8. The percentage of contacts by women levels off between 6'2 to 6'5 by a curve, so you must be either exactly 6'2 or 6'5 to 6'8 and not somewhere in between or less/more than these height to get the highest percentage of contact by female.

[YellowSpike]

I'm right with you Yellow. The idea of a girl setting a minimum height filter on a dating site at 6' makes me cringe at the thought  of such shallow girl, and I would never want to encounter or talk to that type of person. I also would want a girl who falls for my personality.

I can only understand a girl doing that if the girl is very tall herself.

Also, The chart posted is very telling for two reasons.

1. TALL is NOT a huge advantage, otherwise the percentage would have jumped more at 6' plus

2. 5' 7" and up seems like the place to be, but even the difference between 5' 5" and 6' 2" in absolute percentage terms is not that huge. 5' 5" guys still have a chance!

I agree with pretty much everything you said...but being tall is a huge advantage (all else being equal), particularly with online dating. But as we said, who would want to marry a woman who filters out based on that?

5'7"+ isn't bad as long as you have other things going for you. It's below 5'7" when things start to get really bad and you're always called out for being short.

[NewHeights]

The ideal height shown in this graph is 6'2 and 6'5 to 6'8. The percentage of contacts by women levels off between 6'2 to 6'5 by a curve, so you must be either exactly 6'2 or 6'5 to 6'8 and not somewhere in between or less/more than these height to get the highest percentage of contact by female.

Urrgghh! What the fruck guys? Why do we need such a huge dating pool? Do you have enough time to date each and every one of the millions of girls in a 6' 2" man's dating pool?

I just want one girl at a time please lol. I don't need tens of millions in this "dating pool".


I'm sorry, but I'm just getting sick of this fantasy idea of a "HUGE DATING POOL".

[ItsMyLife]

The ideal height shown in this graph is 6'2 and 6'5 to 6'8. The percentage of contacts by women levels off between 6'2 to 6'5 by a curve, so you must be either exactly 6'2 or 6'5 to 6'8 and not somewhere in between or less/more than these height to get the highest percentage of contact by female.

yeap but probably since straight guys inflate their heights, 6'2 on a dating app might well be 6'1 or 6'. So we can bring this data to co-relate to the other data that we have.

[ItsMyLife]

Urrgghh! What the fruck guys? Why do we need such a huge dating pool? Do you have enough time to date each and every one of the millions of girls in a 6' 2" man's dating pool?

I just want one girl at a time please lol. I don't need tens of millions in this "dating pool".


I'm sorry, but I'm just getting sick of this fantasy idea of a "HUGE DATING POOL".

he is just reading the data.
as you pointed out, the percentages are not significant. so I doubt a guy who is 6' and lengthens to 6'5 would have much benefit (or even negative disadvantage accrues)
this "heightism" has been rsearched extensively. the effects are not as drastic as "sexism" and "racism". Given that sexcism and racism are at decades-low levels, I think heightism is not such a factor UNLESS you are very short.
as MM said, she could possibly date a guy as long as she clicks with him... doesn't have to be 5'10 or what, though its PREFERABLE.
similarly, I wouldn't date a girl who is obese, because she just shows no interest in taking care of herself and that is utter laziness. This is probably different from the idea of height, but you get the drift. someone totally too obese, would be out of the equation. someone who is average or slightly above average, might fit the bill, eg if she is wealthy etc...

[YellowSpike]

NEVER do LL solely to increase your dating pool. While it's nice to have more options for hookups, the right woman won't care how tall you are/were. Do LL for you and yourself only. More dating options is only a bonus.

I can't imagine mentally going through the torture that is LL with women as my only motivator. There's no way I would have made it. I was doing well with women before LL. This was for me because I was the one who hated being super short.

[ItsMyLife]

NEVER do LL solely to increase your dating pool. While it's nice to have more options for hookups, the right woman won't care how tall you are/were. Do LL for you and yourself only. More dating options is only a bonus.

I can't imagine mentally going through the torture that is LL with women as my only motivator. There's no way I would have made it. I was doing well with women before LL. This was for me because I was the one who hated being super short.

I totally agree.

I do LL only for myself because I wanna feel tall in my country. Its always been a dream since young to be of average height at least. I was 171, and slowly after 18 I pushed my way up to 174-ish. That was pretty much average here. BUT I got greedy. I started wearing lifts.  Lifts made me feel tall and I really liked it to be around 180 as I was with lifts. It became a horror to take off my lifts. In a sense, lifts made me do LL. I wanna stand with slippers, tall at 180+.

It doesn't help that recently the younger generation appear to be taller and taller. I don't know if it is just me, but the numbers seem static. Probably just a distorted perception due to my height dysphoria.

The bonuses are probably better career, more leadership options and greater dating pool. But I never really thought of them as motivators. The MAIN REASON was I wanted to be lifts-free.

Lifting made me feel so weird.. as if I was living a lie. I was tall, yes, but it was not my flesh. And when (trust me there are many) 185 guys tower over me, I feel even worse. Because it is all lifts below my feet. If I were 183, and a 188 cm guy stands next to me, I wont even care, cause I am tall by definition. I am tall WITHOUT LIFTS.

[endomorphisme]

I don t see how the ayi graph works, any idea??