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I am new to the world of limb lengthening, but it seems like the technology seen some really great improvements with things like the Stryde nail. What kind of advancements do you think will be in store in the future? What do you think needs to happen in the future or near future that we can improve upon either technology wise, process wise, culture wise, etc? Of course we would all like to take a pill and get taller, but realistically what do you think can happen?
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2020, 12:02:13 PM »

The bone consolidation will be faster than ever, they are gonna use stem cells.

But, I don't think there is going to be huge improvements about muscles.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2020, 12:04:46 PM »

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Not necessarily surgery related, but check out these (recent ones):

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/the-most-important-topic-in-growth-plate-reopening-t1029-s10.html

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65449.0

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/08/Researchers-find-method-to-regrow-cartilage-in-the-joints.html

https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2020/08/adenosine-injected-into-arthritic-joints-produces-cartilage-regrowth/

https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/


Now as for the surgery, I would imagine a better/stronger/thinner(?) nail, drugs that alleviate pain more efficiently, stem cells for faster healing and the like, and possibly some kind of growth hormone drug supplementation.
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Re: What is the future of limb lengthening? What do you hope to see happen?
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 12:51:54 PM »

The nirvana would be: Re-Opening Growth Plates With Pills with minimal side effects.

But its gonna probably take a decade or more. Maybe 50 years. Maybe never.
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Re: What is the future of limb lengthening? What do you hope to see happen?
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 03:57:42 PM »

Ik that there is a new nail currently having clinical trials right now. Its called the Synoste Nitinail and supposedly, it has full 100% weight bearing capacity from day one post op and the lengthening process can be controlled through ur phone. Only for femurs tho T T. But maybe stem cell treatment after lengthening can speed up the consolidation phase.
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Re: What is the future of limb lengthening? What do you hope to see happen?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2020, 04:23:04 PM »

This must be it right: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03752814. Hopefully it will be successful.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2020, 05:39:35 PM »

Not necessarily surgery related, but check out these (recent ones):

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/the-most-important-topic-in-growth-plate-reopening-t1029-s10.html

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65449.0

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/08/Researchers-find-method-to-regrow-cartilage-in-the-joints.html

https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2020/08/adenosine-injected-into-arthritic-joints-produces-cartilage-regrowth/

https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/


Now as for the surgery, I would imagine a better/stronger/thinner(?) nail, drugs that alleviate pain more efficiently, stem cells for faster healing and the like, and possibly some kind of growth hormone drug supplementation.


Do you think that taking HGH at 21 years old could help in any way ? or Growth Hormone should be taken after the surgery only?
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2020, 06:30:59 PM »


Do you think that taking HGH at 21 years old could help in any way ? or Growth Hormone should be taken after the surgery only?

I'm actually 21 and no, unless your growth plates are open, which is extremely rare, HGH won't do anything, GH or Ipamorelin / CJC 1295 during the bone lengthening phase for faster healing might be the way to go. 

However, if it's possible to reopen a growth plate with C16H10N2O2 or something similar, you'd need a GH / (GH) mimicking drug after that to continue (I think).
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2020, 06:37:42 PM »

This must be it right: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03752814. Hopefully it will be successful.
Yes this is the trial. The trial ends in 2021. This will be a big game changer for LL. I heard the app for Nitinail will tell you when you are lengthening too much per day. Too bad its only for femur tho.
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Re: What is the future of limb lengthening? What do you hope to see happen?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2020, 08:00:32 PM »

It's an Stryde with a cell phone app. That's not an improvement. Not really an evolution. Just slight more convenient.
And now ALL the big corporations in the world will know if you did LL, because they will link the app to your data.
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Re: What is the future of limb lengthening? What do you hope to see happen?
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2020, 12:04:12 AM »

It's an Stryde with a cell phone app. That's not an improvement. Not really an evolution. Just slight more convenient.
And now ALL the big corporations in the world will know if you did LL, because they will link the app to your data.

It’s also a brand new nail whereas Stryde has at least a few hundred if not thousand implants already.
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2020, 03:03:04 PM »

It's an Stryde with a cell phone app. That's not an improvement. Not really an evolution. Just slight more convenient.
And now ALL the big corporations in the world will know if you did LL, because they will link the app to your data.

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2020, 10:41:50 PM »

Stryde is the best we would have for at least the next 20 years.
Doing LL and walking almost immediately is revolutionary, nothing else can be done for the next many years.
And to be honest, that's more than enough. If someone is determined to do a so invasive and risky procedure to just become taller, then Stryde is more than enough for him.
I would be very grateful if I have that opportunity 10 years ago that I did my LL with the awful monorails that didn't even let me stand for 3-4 months, nor even thinking of walking.

The only drawback for stryde and LL generally is the huge price.
No other cosmetic procedure is even close to being so much expensive.
You should be rich to do LL with Stryde. Many women complain because they don't have 3-4.000 euro to do a boobjob, which is an easy surgery with great results amd we must pay 50.000+ euro to break our bones, harming our athletic abilities by some percentage (from a few to too much) and facing many risks and pain for months.
Yes, life is unfair. But still, LL makes it more fair but with a high price in money and risks.

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Re: What is the future of limb lengthening? What do you hope to see happen?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2020, 10:25:21 AM »

More scientific papers and communication between LL doctors will help improve current techniques or maybe create new ones.

I wonder if some kind of hot bath therapy would let soft tissue stretch and consolidate easier?
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2020, 11:38:49 AM »

More scientific papers and communication between LL doctors will help improve current techniques or maybe create new ones.

I wonder if some kind of hot bath therapy would let soft tissue stretch and consolidate easier?

Yeah, this is what I hope will happen more. I hope that the community will start to take shape and from there you will start to see the advancements snowball.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2020, 07:39:06 PM »

Stryde is the best we would have for at least the next 20 years.
Doing LL and walking almost immediately is revolutionary, nothing else can be done for the next many years.

No one can predict the future.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2020, 11:18:29 AM »

I'm actually 21 and no, unless your growth plates are open, which is extremely rare, HGH won't do anything, GH or Ipamorelin / CJC 1295 during the bone lengthening phase for faster healing might be the way to go. 

However, if it's possible to reopen a growth plate with C16H10N2O2 or something similar, you'd need a GH / (GH) mimicking drug after that to continue (I think).


Bone growth plate reopen?!!! thats insane and 100x better than surgery

Do you know any DR who specializes in this?
Did you ask dr paley about it??

Is  C16H10N2O2   a chemical or hormone that makes these plates reopen?
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2020, 11:20:24 AM »

ofcourse even if there is a way to open growth plates these drs would rather tell patients surgery is the only way so they can make more money
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2020, 12:29:04 PM »


Bone growth plate reopen?!!! thats insane and 100x better than surgery


Is  C16H10N2O2   a chemical or hormone that makes these plates reopen?

C16H10N2O2 is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indirubin

Those 5 above are possible future solutions. This is the most interesting one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/

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Do you know any DR who specializes in this?
Did you ask dr paley about it??

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ofcourse even if there is a way to open growth plates these drs would rather tell patients surgery is the only way so they can make more money

I think we should be (as a community) more interested in surgery alternatives. This surgery is no joke. Chronic pain, premature arthritis, complications, non unions, grandpa walking for the rest of your life, hardware fails, reduced athletic ability and similar BS. Expensive as hell. Like I could buy a used Ferrari 360 or a house instead of going to Paley or Guichet for example.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64405.0
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2020, 12:37:13 PM »

As I've mentioned before, the nirvana of this topic would be having a "growth opener" pills as an alternative, when you drink the pill on a daily basis, it pushes the growth plates and they re-open. I know it sounded stupid like a fairytale. But imagine that, wouldn't it be the TOP maximum of the stature lengthening?

edit: God knows if that would be possible even in 50 years. Idfk. Not rly into biology.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2020, 12:44:45 PM »

More scientific papers and communication between LL doctors will help improve current techniques or maybe create new ones.

I wonder if some kind of hot bath therapy would let soft tissue stretch and consolidate easier?
Stryde is a huge step forward.
Having something not visible inside your bone that let you lengthen while you make your everyday routine is something all LLers ever dreamed of.

Most of you should be very happy that something like that exists and plan your LL if you really want it.
Nothing will change for the next many years, at least drastically , so talking about gene therapy and all these is completely meaningless.
You'll be very old if all these are geting real sometime so it won't matter.

Stryde is the future of LL and with a good doctor LL has become easier and safer than ever. The only thing that must change are the insane prices, nothing else.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2020, 12:55:23 PM »

Nothing will change for the next many years, at least drastically , so talking about gene therapy and all these is completely meaningless.
You'll be very old if all these are geting real sometime so it won't matter.

Again, no one can predict the future. But the question in the post was also "What do you hope to see happen?"

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Stryde is the future of LL and with a good doctor LL has become easier and safer than ever. The only thing that must change are the insane prices, nothing else.

If a non invasive alternative will come out and be available on the market, you're free to go to support those millionaire NW($) orthopedic surgeons.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2020, 05:33:53 AM »

Stryde is the best we would have for at least the next 20 years.
Doing LL and walking almost immediately is revolutionary, nothing else can be done for the next many years.
And to be honest, that's more than enough. If someone is determined to do a so invasive and risky procedure to just become taller, then Stryde is more than enough for him.
I would be very grateful if I have that opportunity 10 years ago that I did my LL with the awful monorails that didn't even let me stand for 3-4 months, nor even thinking of walking.

The only drawback for stryde and LL generally is the huge price.
No other cosmetic procedure is even close to being so much expensive.
You should be rich to do LL with Stryde. Many women complain because they don't have 3-4.000 euro to do a boobjob, which is an easy surgery with great results amd we must pay 50.000+ euro to break our bones, harming our athletic abilities by some percentage (from a few to too much) and facing many risks and pain for months.
Yes, life is unfair. But still, LL makes it more fair but with a high price in money and risks.
Hi Body Builder
You are absolutely right about all those thing!!  I think that Stryde will be the best option for a long time with some minor upgrades over time.  SYNOSTE Nitinail is pretty much the same as Stryde with some upgrades.  Hopefully, it can bring down the price at least.
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2020, 01:11:29 PM »

Hi Everyone,

According to this guy, LPP (Link protein N-terminal peptide) could be a game changer for people with closed growth plates

https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/sci/2018/3217895/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/1529-0131(199801)41:1%3C157::AID-ART19%3E3.0.CO;2-J


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/we-are-getting-close-to-reopening-growth-plates-t1023-s70.html


Concerning Indirubin, CK Biotechnology Co. (Seoul, KR) filed a patent for a PHARMACEUTICAL COMPOSITION CONTAINING INDIRUBIN DERIVATIVE AS ACTIVE INGREDIENT :

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2020/0223824.html

I tried to contact them, but did not received any answer : http://ckbiotech.co.kr/company/locationcontact/

Can you try to reach them? Maybe you will have more luck
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2020, 01:21:45 PM »

Hi Everyone,

According to this guy, LPP (Link protein N-terminal peptide) could be a game changer for people with closed growth plates

https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/sci/2018/3217895/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/1529-0131(199801)41:1%3C157::AID-ART19%3E3.0.CO;2-J


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/we-are-getting-close-to-reopening-growth-plates-t1023-s70.html


Concerning Indirubin, CK Biotechnology Co. (Seoul, KR) filed a patent for a PHARMACEUTICAL COMPOSITION CONTAINING INDIRUBIN DERIVATIVE AS ACTIVE INGREDIENT :

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2020/0223824.html

I tried to contact them, but did not received any answer : http://ckbiotech.co.kr/company/locationcontact/

Can you try to reach them? Maybe you will have more luck

You from tapatalk/lsjl group forum?
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2020, 01:59:13 PM »

Again, no one can predict the future. But the question in the post was also "What do you hope to see happen?"

If a non invasive alternative will come out and be available on the market, you're free to go to support those millionaire NW($) orthopedic surgeons.
For the next 30 years a non invasive method to become taller is impossible.
Moreover in the next 10 years were me and most of us here are willing to do another LL.
I don't care what will happen when I am 60yo, height matters when looks really matters, till 45-50 yo at max.
So for me and all of us here, stryde (or a full weight bearing internal nail in genera) is the best we would have as a method to do LL.
Everything else is delusional, at least for us.

I am not talking theoritical about LL like most people here, I am a veteran who needs to get things done. So talking about the long future is futile, everyone should care about the best option of LL to make it happen.
And I guarantee you that there will not be a non invasive method to get taller for the next many years, when we are not old men.
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2020, 02:03:09 PM »

For the next 30 years a non invasive method to become taller is impossible.
Moreover in the next 10 years were me and most of us here are willing to do another LL.
I don't care what will happen when I am 60yo, height matters when looks really matters, till 45-50 yo at max.
So for me and all of us here, stryde (or a full weight bearing internal nail in genera) is the best we would have as a method to do LL.
Everything else is delusional, at least for us.

I am not talking theoritical about LL like most people here, I am a veteran who needs to get things done. So talking about the long future is futile, everyone should care about the best option of LL to make it happen.
And I guarantee you that there will not be a non invasive method to get taller for the next many years, when we are not old men.

No, you can't.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2020, 05:05:20 PM »

I'm one of the member. We do our best to find non invasive techniques to grow taller. But I'em not an expert. I don't understand very much what is written in all theses studies. I think we are close to find an alternative way to grow taller.

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2020, 05:30:42 PM »

the issue with finding a drug to make you grow taller is all the loopholes you have to go through to get it approved
"The average time from FDA application to approval of drugs is 12 years, and the estimated average cost of taking a new drug from concept to market exceeds $1 billion."(1)
so bodybuiler is technically not wrong, im not gonna argue that theres no market for it ( obvs there is ) but my guess is if somehow they manage to approve it the target will be pediatric first. then youll encounter the issue of doctors gatekeeping and not rx it for cosmetic reasons.







1.Van Norman, G. A. (2016). Drugs, devices, and the FDA: part 1: an overview of approval processes for drugs. JACC: Basic to Translational Science, 1(3), 170-179.
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2020, 05:35:37 PM »

People who have done or are set to do LL will say that no alternative will be possible.

Not saying I know, but there was a poster named 'extremis' here a while back who appears to be more intelligent and knowledgeable in this field than any of us saying that the cure would be possible in the near future.

Anyone can read his argument here: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9352.0
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2020, 06:23:49 PM »

I'm one of the member. We do our best to find non invasive techniques to grow taller.

Yeah, especially MiniGolfer/Tyler and Oepsilon seem to know what they're talking about. If only that immature kid, Srtike_Poseidon would shut up.

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But I'em not an expert. I don't understand very much what is written in all theses studies. I think we are close to find an alternative way to grow taller.

Same. I'm in the programming/math field and don't know much about these.
I just want a safe method to become taller, because LL surgery at the moment, is not. I don't want to walk like a grandpa for the rest of my life with premature arthritis and constant pain, but I also don't want to take possibly harmful drugs and get cancer or whatever issue.
I wanted to ask you something because you are at LSLJ forum, but I forgot what.

I chatted with this guy Polynomality who wrote this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/looksmaxxing/comments/hmj34y/what_future_heightmaxxing_regimen_may_look/
They'll do some experiments with rats I think.
If it works on humans safely the height increasing problem will be gone and so will our height neurosis and misery, spending our time searching for a fking solution.
But it's a tough nut to crack. LL surgery (cosmetic, deformity and discrepancy correction) is a billion/yr dollar bussiness.

People who have done or are set to do LL will say that no alternative will be possible.

Yeah, like BB for example, because the thought of wasting money for a painful, risky, permanently damaging, time consuming procedure, that they could have avoided if only they waited for an alternative a few years more, scares them. I'm sure LL surgeons will say that no alternative will be possible too.
This is a limb lenghtening forum, and if it's possible to lengthen your legs without surgery, you should look forward to that, is what they don't understand.

the issue with finding a drug to make you grow taller is all the loopholes you have to go through to get it approved
"The average time from FDA application to approval of drugs is 12 years, and the estimated average cost of taking a new drug from concept to market exceeds $1 billion."(1)
so bodybuiler is technically not wrong, im not gonna argue that theres no market for it ( obvs there is ) but my guess is if somehow they manage to approve it the target will be pediatric first. then youll encounter the issue of doctors gatekeeping and not rx it for cosmetic reasons.







1.Van Norman, G. A. (2016). Drugs, devices, and the FDA: part 1: an overview of approval processes for drugs. JACC: Basic to Translational Science, 1(3), 170-179.



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